Those lives needed to be sacrificed to have what there is today. The States are stronger for it. Divided,the States stood a better chance of falling. They are going to fall anyway,sooner probably then later. He didn't act any different then the Government of the Confederacy. The Confederacy stood for freedom,but only for Euro-Americans. They were hypocrites. Evil never lasts long.
People seem to have forgotten the reason the Union won was because of overwhelming odds in one of if not the first modern version of total warfare. Had the war been fought in the traditional manner, one could easily hypothesize the Confederate States could have held their own.
One of, if not the biggest reason for Union victory was Grant's decision to just use his numbers to overwhelm the South.
Also would have helped if the Confederates didn't kill one of their best Generals by accident.
@ItsBabyBubbles Lee did hate slavery, he also didn't support secession. When the union came to him and ask him to lead their forces Him like many couldn't abandon their homes and families to join the people who wanted to destroy their homes and familys. Many in the south was more loyal to their state then to the federal government, Genereal Lee is a hero. sic semper tyrannis
@hogman19611234 that's because Jefferson had send a letter for peace to Lincolns administration the day after Gettysburg and General Lee knew this. Hence he could'nt fight his own war but had to force an end on gamble to a forced win. had Jefferson left Lee alone to fight the war it had been a whole different ballgame but he did'nt give Lee the time...
I find it disturbing to find men speaking so ill of General Lee obviously being ignorant of that man's noble character and humbleness but also I find it disturbing of men's jabs at President Lincoln as he also was a man of great character and humility. Quotes may be taken out of context but please let us look closely at the lives of men such as these before skewering them with verbal assaults.
So we stopped slavery hmm now the blackman has 20% unemployment in this grand new country,we all have to pay to feed and educate and take care of the blackman.Slavery definition to keep and protect a human being so that they will work for their keep.The blackman still votes democratic they are still slaves till this day
@philchemi the blacks voted republican till FDR came around and sayd you southern men were niggers . maybe if we killed a few communities in the south things would be better
My Ancestor was Mr. Lee himself, he is such a beautiful man,I couldn't ask for a better man in history to be related too, but him and the Washington's we are also related too!
Can we clear this drama of the South were nothing but slave wanting racist people!
Unless you are truly acknowledged about the full in depth history of this war , please remove yourself from all videos pertaining to the South or Civil War because you will look like a jackass
@Southernbelle1802 except he was a coward and a traitor to America to the Flag and to our Soldiers. He took part in massacres of Union POWs personally slitting the throats of the youngest men to drink their blood of some nazi ritual . also there are no descendents of washington Ever he was sterile at age twenty never had kids
Who gives a rat's ass about what Lincoln said especially comparing it to what he actually did. He was was a complete liar and dictator tyrant. LIke most polticians, he talked out of his ass to get elected and as soon as he stepped into office, he hurriedly plunged our Nation into a war that ended the lives of tens of thousands and destroyed millions more. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
Several years after the War between the States Lee wrote in response to a letter from a man in Europe (who's name I forgot) that this reconstruction is absolutely terrible, the south is being taken advantage of and humiliated, Lee continued and said had he known this was going to happen he would never have surrendered at Appomattox instead he would have made a last stand and died with his troops.
@RevBillyRayCollins they were terrorists who rose an army against the FREE UNITED STATES . For slavery and to enslave all the people of America for Fascism and the Banner of national socalism they evil hun armies charged and were battered against northern righteousness
@TThorne931 Your a little dillusional there a bit. Your mind has no doubt been perverted by the Lincoln Cult. You do realize that four border states in the Union had slaves until the 13 amend was passed right? You do realize that the emancipation proclamation only "freed" the slaves in the south and not the slaves in the north right? Of course the emancipation really did nothing because the Union had no authority to free the slaves in the south, Abe himself said it was just a military measure.
@TThorne931 Terrorists? I think not, but if you were to point out the terrorists I would suggest the actions of Union generals Sherman and Sheridan. Their sacking of cities goes against the rules of war.
I dont think you understand the definition of facism, the CSA was a confederacy, more power lied within a collection of state govts. It was the USA that tried to ensure a strong federal govt over the states, which is completely against what our founding fathers created,
@TThorne931 You dont know what socialism is either do you? The great socialists like FDR, Karl Marx, Hitler, and Obama all invoked Lincolns name in the path of socialism.
Actually more Union soldiers died in the war than confederate soldiers, if you were to determine the war like that, then the south only lost because they were outnumbered nearly two to one and heavily outgunned and lacked proper supply transportation.
@RevBillyRayCollins more union soldiers died because they were fighting for liberty of the people and the freedoom of the 13 occuppied towns . and FDR was a capitalist hitler was a Southern Sympathist . and who cares we smashed you wand of ILLEGAL TERRORISTS
@TThorne931 Yeah you really are just a complete dumbass arent you? More union soldiers died because many of their commanders were idiots who were unfit to lead. "13 unoccupied towns" what the hell does that mean?
FDR created this welfare state we know as America.
Hitler praised Lincoln in his book Mein Kampf for creating a consolidated federal govt and taking power from the states to strengthen the central govt. Hitler was against "states", he was for a strong central govt. Thats why he
@RevBillyRayCollins so as the south did trying to eradicate the Stars and stripes for their swastika waving goose stepping armies are like the dictator bismark .
Raised an Army Against the united States is Treason and illegal Puishable by death . and remember the Confederate Raiders who invaded 13 Us States occupying them and then crossing the DMZ to enslave Free Black Americans also Remember how at andersonville the Camp gaurds would eat POWs in the horrid death camps of the south
@TThorne931 The CSA was a country seceding to form a better democratic republic/confederacy. It was Lincoln who violated the US Const more so than any other president and was forcing the south to remain in the union at gunpoint.
Firstly treason as defined in the Const is levying war against the States, not just raising an army. Secondly the south seceded, they were their own country, they dont follow the US Const they follow the CS Const. So they cant be committing treason when they fought
@TThorne931 the US because they were a foreign nation. It is more accurate to say Lincoln committed treason because he did not recognize the south as a foreign nation and levied war against the southern states.
Do you even know what a demilitarized zone is?
When you say 13 states do you mean the seceded states?
They ate the prisoners? What the hell are you talking about?
@RevBillyRayCollins No they weren't they were never recognized as a forigen or soverign state so they are not a nation but squatters on US soil needing extermination like the rats they were . and yes the fallen 13 were the occupied states of America . And yes the butcher of andersonville regularly ate Human flesh and devoured man and beast alike to sustain his Death Squads
@TThorne931 The CSA govt seceded from the country, formed their own const and own govt. No other nation may have recognized them, but the CSA certainly recognized themself and thats all that matters. If I drive down the street and no one recognizes the fact that I did it, does that mean I never drove down the street?
Those 13 states all democratically voted to secede.
Ive never heard from anywhere that he ate people....
@RevBillyRayCollins the CSA were a band of Raiders and Terrorists . And no you need another nation to approve of your states existance to be a state . the 13 states were illegal occupied by a band of terrorists . and its true he devoured and stewed man and women alive
@TThorne931 Then please define these acts of terrorism more clearly.
No you dont need recognition. There is a difference between creating a new state in the US and breaking off the US and forming your own country. The former being that you do need recognition as well as other laws, the latter being you dont need recognition. Once you create your own working govt, then your fine. The fact that many european nations were interested in the CSA verifies its recognition.
@TThorne931 What do you mean prove he didnt? I asked you first, you made up that piece of shit story, so you can pull some more stuff out of your ass to cover your tracks cant you? Dumbass. "the south destroyed so much about hteir atrocties" WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Learn to spell and use proper grammar.
@TThorne931 Your a dumbass. Its your story that he ate people, so you should be able to simply provide the evidence where you got it from. Books, internet sources, documentaries, etc.
@TThorne931 I can easily prove that the south wasnt full of neo nazis. The nazis didnt exist in the 1860s. But its you who cant prove the south is full of neo nazis. Why dont you find me a qoute from someone saying that the CSA was an insurrectionist movement. Your army of the free was fighting to enslave those of the south to the feds AND fighting to maintain african slavery. You seem to always forget the north had slaves too and they werent subject to freedom under the emancipation.
@RevBillyRayCollins not proof just your opionon . And the south was a Terrorists group of inssurecctionist like the Taliban in spirt and nature they are like Al-quda who attacked us ten years ago . no we were fighting to liberate the south from the CSA and to end slavery
@TThorne931 What the fuck do you mean my opinion?!?!? They were no fucking nazis in the south at the time of the war of northern aggression. You are so fucking stupid, you little piece of shit. If the union was fighting to free the slaves, then they should have freed their own slaves.
@RevBillyRayCollins HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your retrarded you think the war was northern aggression that is fucking funny the south Began the war if anything this is the Imperalist southern War For Enslavment . The Union did free her slaves after smashing the barbaric unccivilized Communist CSA
@TThorne931 The Union didnt free their slaves until the 13 amend was passes a while after the war. And everyone knows the the south was provoked into firing first, Lincoln in a letter says so himself. You really need to read up on your history.
@RevBillyRayCollins Yes We had to deal with a bunch of nazi Atheists Trying to destroy America and our Faith . Everyone knows the south attacked first Even Lincoln says how uncivilized they acted to start the war
@TThorne931 Read Lincolns letter to union naval commander Gustavus Fox, Abe there proclaims that their actions at Ft Sumter will provoke the south into firing first. You know there were no zazis in the 1860s and the majority of the south in the 1860s was protestant.
@RevBillyRayCollins no the letter states if the south wishes war they must bring the war themsealves and the north will not start a war making you the Aggressors of the War . and no wonder you lost you aren't even christian
@TThorne931 You havent read the letter. In a letter to naval commander Gustavus Fox (May 1 1861) Lincoln said "You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the results."
No Im not a christian, I use to be but then I came to a grand realization.
@RevBillyRayCollins I have read the letter and its says the cause of defending America is advanced by giving starving men bread the fascist hounds of satan refused to allow it through to them
@RevBillyRayCollins Nazis didn't exist in the 1860's, you are correct. The one thing that makes the Nazi's different from the rest of history's scumbags is that they put more brainpower into ethnic elimination. But anyone who owns a slave deserves a slow, painful death. A life is trashed and it's your fault. Then entire lives of everyone in the south revolved around racism. It was just about the only thing that mattered.
@bwelc00 The north had slaves too until 1865. You cant just condemn the south for slavery, in fact Boston was one of the largest slave ports throughout American history, the city was built on the backs of slaves.
@RevBillyRayCollins I don't have any idea what percentage of the northern states had slvery still legal in 1865. I know that most of them were free states by that time, but I'm sure they all started out as slave states. But this myth that the south was fighting for freedom or some other bullshit is nuts. They fought to own slaves. Period, end of story. Is being a Nazi worse? Maybe, because the goal is genocide instead of profit, but the fact remains you're comparing one of the..
@RevBillyRayCollins biggest groups of scumbags ever to walk the earth against another group of the biggest scumbags to ever walk the earth. Did the rank and file that didn't own slaves differ? Hardly. All they cared about was that there was someone worse off than them. To quote George Wallace after losing the primary for governor in Alabama in 1958- I was outniggered by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be outniggered again.
@bwelc00 4 states in the union until 1865 had thousands of slaves. Why would they fight to own slaves? The good majority of the population didnt even own slaves, why would a man who didnt own a single slave fight and possibly die for a slave? That goes for both sides. George Wallace did not fight for the CSA.
@heavymetal217 thats awesome man....my family had people in the civil war but we dont know much about their story. so thats great that you are keeping that history alive
Robert E. Lee is my PawpawLee's Great uncle, ya'll, he was nothin but a simple man, i thank ya'll kindly fer tha sweet compliments, the negatives, i ignored. Now i never met him, but my family is prideful of being his kin, R.I.P Uncle Robert E. Lee, the souths greatest General <3
Gen. Lee was a devoted soldier and Christian. The only slaves he owned were inherited and he freed them right away. Slavery had nothin to do with the war till half way thru it. Do any of you know that lincoln signed a 40% tax increase two months before the states seceded? During his presidential campaign he said blacks were inferior to whites. The north needed a just cause for the war and slavery was the answer. And by the way...I'm a yankee from Illinois. Thatll mess up some some theology here.
@TheDanoman1 im from massachuesettes bro and i agree but do you have the article that says that about lincoln because i havnt been able to find like primary source documents on that. but i like lincoln in that he ended slavery but i like lee more because he was agianst slavery and high taxes
There is so much hate in these comments. Robert E. Lee became fully committed to reunification of the states once the war was over.
I'm born and raised in Texas and believe Robert E. Lee is the most commendable American general who ever lived, but he had not supported succession. He supported his home state of Virginia and once the fighting ceased he was one of the most essential voices in repairing bonds between the two sides.
Why carry hate for this war? The South is not oppressed.
I disliked this for the simple fact I dislike the speech. My Great Great Grandfather was apart of the 26th Mississippi infantry and I wish to God That Saint of a Man Robert E Lee did not have to write this It saddens me so much to hear it in spoken word. When southerners think back to the great struggle we should curse and damn this union we were forced back into with so much deep seeded rage and hate that it should strike up the talk of a new Secession. Damn the Union to hell and her patriots
@XGDRabidPanda Lee had such little option left by this point. He did what was best for his men. I thought it clever that he says " compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources " that pretty much shows he would have been willing to continue fighting until the last man if he thought there to be a slight chance. God Bless R.E. LEE
@driver8train There is a simple fact though. Look at guerrilla warfare it would have worked. If he would have taken the remainder of the army and took the fighting into the hills and mountains of their homeland then there is not way the north would have won.
what you don't see is that with the blockade they had no food no cloths and no weapons they didn't have the resources nor the man power to continue fighting, the war was lost i admit it i agree completely with your enthusiasm toward this cause but the war was lost. With no resources and Shermans actions it was better to end the war then to watch innocent civilians die.
@Bigginholder The war was lost. But Davis had no plans to end the war. Robert E Lee merely threw in the towel. There is no formal peace treaty with the CSA or south in General. We are still occupied weather we choose to believe that or not does not make that fact any less true. As Southerners we are no more Americans than Canadians. We are still and always will be occupied. Much like the Native Indian's we have both been screwed over by the north and both have the right to hate the Union!
@XGDRabidPanda i was born and raised in massachusetts. i have had many rude awakenings in the past years. they have taught me all lies. if you want to blame someone blame the freakin elite, the federal government, and whoever should knowingly participate or perpetuate the lie. there r still traitors in the fed and the north is still being kept ignorant.
@wckdmsftsgrl I wish i could say I don't agree with you but the hate will never end between the north and the south. Someone should not be so foolish as to think Southerners do not hate Northerners the hate is still there its subconscious its passed down. Southern Pride will always exist and the first attempt for secession will awaken anger inside.
@XGDRabidPanda I disagree. I don't think it was about hate. It has become about hate. It was about freedom -freedom to exist without total control by a centralized government.
@foster21 I was not talking about racial hate but regional hate, as in I hate the north, the northern culture, the northern oppressors, the northern Establishment, the northern occupiers, ect.
@XGDRabidPanda That may have been present, but it is well known that officers and enlisted soldiers alike on both sides of the war were friends and kin. I don't think that hate was saturated.
@foster21 When you spend a good chunk of your youth, fighting, killing, watching your friends die around you. It is only natural to hate your enemy. Hate is passed down for generations.
@XGDRabidPanda Ah, see, that's not generational hate; it's generational sin and is applicable to more than just rage -however focused- i.e. sloth, lust, idolatry, falsehoods.. It's both ingrained and taught, and it can be broken. Nonetheless, it's very rare for any nation to declare war for war's sake, hate's sake, what have you. You can't get a whole people to buy in to that. In comes a good reason: freedom from centralized government. Now, you have a united people for war.
oh and one last thing we would have kept fighting till we were all dead but robert e. lee loved his men and said no more blood shead and ended like a true man unlike lincoln which would have killed us all before ending it when he was asked why not let the south go he said and i quote "who would pay our taxes" greedy bastard
"Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It is intended for 'perpetual Union,' so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact" -Robert Edward Lee
@rebelboy603 Lee was a coward and a Facist Butcher may he burn in hell for his treason for all eternity may one day we disrupt his grave and ruin it . and Lee and his army should had been massacred after surrender en masse for the Glory of America
"Vae Victis" loser ! You can package a cow and tell the world its a diamond ring. It wont make it a diamond ring. You bullshit yourself and allot of readers. Refain of your personal opinion because it has no merit it never has, even in your generals own words.
Lincoln put word to paper if he lost he would be killed or kill himself. Where is your beloved Jefferson in this ? I have a deep grievance with ppl like you.
@MrRizikoo no no no lincoln would not kill himself he's to big of a puss thats why he had 10 million yanks go and attack 1millon rebs he's a fag fuck lincoln ps not sure the the numbers but i do know that the north outnumberd the south by a shitload
@MrRizikoo How the fuck do you know what Lincoln would have done. He would have had his own nation to run all the south wanted was to be left alone The Federals didnt even think of abolishing slavery until 1862 even then the Northerners in New York rioted in Harlem after the draft was instituted
The Confederate states was gonna get rid of slavery soon after the war technology was advancing and slavery was obsolete so allv those who say rebs were pussies and racist nazi...etc No group of men would fight so hard for so long for slavery there homeland was being invaded so they defended it thats the way they were thats the way we are its tradition to serve in the military in the south we will defend our land and our love ones to our last breathe Deo vindice my rebel brothers and sister
@rebelboy603 except they wern't going ot get rid of the slaves. Except they were all little skin head sister fucking nazis . they fought for slavery and the Destruction of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and all she defended . and what invasion if you speak of their invasion and occupation of 13 Us states then yes they were an occupation force like the Soviet union in eastern europe except meaner and more nasty . may god curse the south forver god bless Union America
@mrceebees14 have you ever thought that he fought under the confed flag because he felt it was his duty? to protect his homeland, to fight for dixie? there are many things that govoernments do that people disagree with yet there are people who will still fight for their homes, Right or wrong in the eyes of others, christ look at Rommel, one of the greatest commanders in history, Fought for the third reich however he ignored orders to kill captured commandos, Jewish soldiers and civilians
@lardy07 so true, in war, no side is innocent. atrocities lie everywhere, but there are some individuals who stand up for their beliefs and do what is humane, not what is ordered by a government
Take it to a historical museum where it may be able to be saved from mould destruction going on which makes it smell musty! But take a good foto cop for your home records!
I have this speech on my Confederate record album. I forget how old it is but it is very old and smells musty. It has alot of really neat period music on it.
Those lives needed to be sacrificed to have what there is today. The States are stronger for it. Divided,the States stood a better chance of falling. They are going to fall anyway,sooner probably then later. He didn't act any different then the Government of the Confederacy. The Confederacy stood for freedom,but only for Euro-Americans. They were hypocrites. Evil never lasts long.
Nubias 3 days ago
People seem to have forgotten the reason the Union won was because of overwhelming odds in one of if not the first modern version of total warfare. Had the war been fought in the traditional manner, one could easily hypothesize the Confederate States could have held their own.
One of, if not the biggest reason for Union victory was Grant's decision to just use his numbers to overwhelm the South.
Also would have helped if the Confederates didn't kill one of their best Generals by accident.
socomfan555 1 week ago
I wont Im sorry Had Lee faught for the North the war would have lasted 3 months
stevemtc1 2 weeks ago
GOD BLESS LEE AND ALL WHO SERVED UNDER HIM !
MrLighterknot 2 months ago 8
he hated slavery
ItsBabyBubbles 2 months ago
screw lee. he should have fought for the north
ItsBabyBubbles 2 months ago
@ItsBabyBubbles screw you bitch Go fuck your grand mother
stevemtc1 1 month ago
@stevemtc1 That was my brother, thank you very much. My grandma's dead, so please don't talk about her.
ItsBabyBubbles 3 weeks ago
@ItsBabyBubbles Lee did hate slavery, he also didn't support secession. When the union came to him and ask him to lead their forces Him like many couldn't abandon their homes and families to join the people who wanted to destroy their homes and familys. Many in the south was more loyal to their state then to the federal government, Genereal Lee is a hero. sic semper tyrannis
flyingweasal007 1 week ago
go lincoln
ItsBabyBubbles 2 months ago
why does he sond like a damn brit. he is my hero but why does he sound like a limey
gmsm520 2 months ago
@gmsm520 umm thats not his real voice its just someone reading it
minecraft2400 1 month ago
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"We'll fight them, sir, 'til hell freezes over, and then, sir, we will fight them on the ice." -
A Confederate soldier at Gettysburg
AUG351 3 months ago
God bless the greatest american in dixie! General Robert E. Lee!
Too bad General Lee couldn't wait another 4 weeks! The president would be dead and the north would give up!..Booth was hero!
hogman19611234 3 months ago 4
@hogman19611234 that's because Jefferson had send a letter for peace to Lincolns administration the day after Gettysburg and General Lee knew this. Hence he could'nt fight his own war but had to force an end on gamble to a forced win. had Jefferson left Lee alone to fight the war it had been a whole different ballgame but he did'nt give Lee the time...
DuthcKing 2 months ago
God bless the greatest american in dixie! General Robert E. Lee!
hogman19611234 3 months ago
Lincoln is in hell. Lee is in heaven.
SouthernPrideBAMA 3 months ago 3
By far the best general and probably man of the war.
mrmemanme 4 months ago
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The love of money is the root of all evil!
JoezVendetta 4 months ago
Don't worry General Lee, it's just half time!
360Nomad 4 months ago
Makes me cry!!!!
TheHED92 5 months ago
SIC SEMPER TYRANNOUS!! DEO VINDICE
Rebel608 5 months ago
I find it disturbing to find men speaking so ill of General Lee obviously being ignorant of that man's noble character and humbleness but also I find it disturbing of men's jabs at President Lincoln as he also was a man of great character and humility. Quotes may be taken out of context but please let us look closely at the lives of men such as these before skewering them with verbal assaults.
JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed 5 months ago 2
So we stopped slavery hmm now the blackman has 20% unemployment in this grand new country,we all have to pay to feed and educate and take care of the blackman.Slavery definition to keep and protect a human being so that they will work for their keep.The blackman still votes democratic they are still slaves till this day
philchemi 6 months ago
@philchemi the blacks voted republican till FDR came around and sayd you southern men were niggers . maybe if we killed a few communities in the south things would be better
TThorne931 6 months ago
My Ancestor was Mr. Lee himself, he is such a beautiful man,I couldn't ask for a better man in history to be related too, but him and the Washington's we are also related too!
Can we clear this drama of the South were nothing but slave wanting racist people!
Unless you are truly acknowledged about the full in depth history of this war , please remove yourself from all videos pertaining to the South or Civil War because you will look like a jackass
Southernbelle1802 7 months ago
@Southernbelle1802 except he was a coward and a traitor to America to the Flag and to our Soldiers. He took part in massacres of Union POWs personally slitting the throats of the youngest men to drink their blood of some nazi ritual . also there are no descendents of washington Ever he was sterile at age twenty never had kids
TThorne931 6 months ago
Who gives a rat's ass about what Lincoln said especially comparing it to what he actually did. He was was a complete liar and dictator tyrant. LIke most polticians, he talked out of his ass to get elected and as soon as he stepped into office, he hurriedly plunged our Nation into a war that ended the lives of tens of thousands and destroyed millions more. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
FastPonyGT 7 months ago 10
Several years after the War between the States Lee wrote in response to a letter from a man in Europe (who's name I forgot) that this reconstruction is absolutely terrible, the south is being taken advantage of and humiliated, Lee continued and said had he known this was going to happen he would never have surrendered at Appomattox instead he would have made a last stand and died with his troops.
RevBillyRayCollins 7 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins who the fuck cares billy the south was evil
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 The south was evil?!?! Haha, now thats funny.
What on earth would make you say that? Because they were defending their homes? Because they were defending the constitution?
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins they were terrorists who rose an army against the FREE UNITED STATES . For slavery and to enslave all the people of America for Fascism and the Banner of national socalism they evil hun armies charged and were battered against northern righteousness
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Your a little dillusional there a bit. Your mind has no doubt been perverted by the Lincoln Cult. You do realize that four border states in the Union had slaves until the 13 amend was passed right? You do realize that the emancipation proclamation only "freed" the slaves in the south and not the slaves in the north right? Of course the emancipation really did nothing because the Union had no authority to free the slaves in the south, Abe himself said it was just a military measure.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Terrorists? I think not, but if you were to point out the terrorists I would suggest the actions of Union generals Sherman and Sheridan. Their sacking of cities goes against the rules of war.
I dont think you understand the definition of facism, the CSA was a confederacy, more power lied within a collection of state govts. It was the USA that tried to ensure a strong federal govt over the states, which is completely against what our founding fathers created,
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@TThorne931 You dont know what socialism is either do you? The great socialists like FDR, Karl Marx, Hitler, and Obama all invoked Lincolns name in the path of socialism.
Actually more Union soldiers died in the war than confederate soldiers, if you were to determine the war like that, then the south only lost because they were outnumbered nearly two to one and heavily outgunned and lacked proper supply transportation.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins more union soldiers died because they were fighting for liberty of the people and the freedoom of the 13 occuppied towns . and FDR was a capitalist hitler was a Southern Sympathist . and who cares we smashed you wand of ILLEGAL TERRORISTS
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Yeah you really are just a complete dumbass arent you? More union soldiers died because many of their commanders were idiots who were unfit to lead. "13 unoccupied towns" what the hell does that mean?
FDR created this welfare state we know as America.
Hitler praised Lincoln in his book Mein Kampf for creating a consolidated federal govt and taking power from the states to strengthen the central govt. Hitler was against "states", he was for a strong central govt. Thats why he
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@TThorne931 also praised Otto van Bismarck for unifying Germany and doing away with their state system.
What was illegal about the confederates and what actions did they do to be called terrorists?
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins so as the south did trying to eradicate the Stars and stripes for their swastika waving goose stepping armies are like the dictator bismark .
Raised an Army Against the united States is Treason and illegal Puishable by death . and remember the Confederate Raiders who invaded 13 Us States occupying them and then crossing the DMZ to enslave Free Black Americans also Remember how at andersonville the Camp gaurds would eat POWs in the horrid death camps of the south
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 The CSA was a country seceding to form a better democratic republic/confederacy. It was Lincoln who violated the US Const more so than any other president and was forcing the south to remain in the union at gunpoint.
Firstly treason as defined in the Const is levying war against the States, not just raising an army. Secondly the south seceded, they were their own country, they dont follow the US Const they follow the CS Const. So they cant be committing treason when they fought
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@TThorne931 the US because they were a foreign nation. It is more accurate to say Lincoln committed treason because he did not recognize the south as a foreign nation and levied war against the southern states.
Do you even know what a demilitarized zone is?
When you say 13 states do you mean the seceded states?
They ate the prisoners? What the hell are you talking about?
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins No they weren't they were never recognized as a forigen or soverign state so they are not a nation but squatters on US soil needing extermination like the rats they were . and yes the fallen 13 were the occupied states of America . And yes the butcher of andersonville regularly ate Human flesh and devoured man and beast alike to sustain his Death Squads
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 The CSA govt seceded from the country, formed their own const and own govt. No other nation may have recognized them, but the CSA certainly recognized themself and thats all that matters. If I drive down the street and no one recognizes the fact that I did it, does that mean I never drove down the street?
Those 13 states all democratically voted to secede.
Ive never heard from anywhere that he ate people....
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins the CSA were a band of Raiders and Terrorists . And no you need another nation to approve of your states existance to be a state . the 13 states were illegal occupied by a band of terrorists . and its true he devoured and stewed man and women alive
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Then please define these acts of terrorism more clearly.
No you dont need recognition. There is a difference between creating a new state in the US and breaking off the US and forming your own country. The former being that you do need recognition as well as other laws, the latter being you dont need recognition. Once you create your own working govt, then your fine. The fact that many european nations were interested in the CSA verifies its recognition.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins no it dosen't the CSA was a minor insurrection that was crushed by the God blessed Army of the Free
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Show me the documented evidence that he ate people.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins prove he didn't the south destroyed so much about hteir atrocties
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 What do you mean prove he didnt? I asked you first, you made up that piece of shit story, so you can pull some more stuff out of your ass to cover your tracks cant you? Dumbass. "the south destroyed so much about hteir atrocties" WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Learn to spell and use proper grammar.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins I said prove he did the south covered up alot of the evil they did like the nazis did as well
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Your a dumbass. Its your story that he ate people, so you should be able to simply provide the evidence where you got it from. Books, internet sources, documentaries, etc.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins if he didn't you should be able to prove he didn't
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 You are so stupid. You're IQ level must be far less than that of a retarded chimpanzee. Good-bye.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins So you can't prove the south isn't full of Depraved Neo Nazis
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 I can easily prove that the south wasnt full of neo nazis. The nazis didnt exist in the 1860s. But its you who cant prove the south is full of neo nazis. Why dont you find me a qoute from someone saying that the CSA was an insurrectionist movement. Your army of the free was fighting to enslave those of the south to the feds AND fighting to maintain african slavery. You seem to always forget the north had slaves too and they werent subject to freedom under the emancipation.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins not proof just your opionon . And the south was a Terrorists group of inssurecctionist like the Taliban in spirt and nature they are like Al-quda who attacked us ten years ago . no we were fighting to liberate the south from the CSA and to end slavery
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 What the fuck do you mean my opinion?!?!? They were no fucking nazis in the south at the time of the war of northern aggression. You are so fucking stupid, you little piece of shit. If the union was fighting to free the slaves, then they should have freed their own slaves.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your retrarded you think the war was northern aggression that is fucking funny the south Began the war if anything this is the Imperalist southern War For Enslavment . The Union did free her slaves after smashing the barbaric unccivilized Communist CSA
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 The Union didnt free their slaves until the 13 amend was passes a while after the war. And everyone knows the the south was provoked into firing first, Lincoln in a letter says so himself. You really need to read up on your history.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins Yes We had to deal with a bunch of nazi Atheists Trying to destroy America and our Faith . Everyone knows the south attacked first Even Lincoln says how uncivilized they acted to start the war
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Read Lincolns letter to union naval commander Gustavus Fox, Abe there proclaims that their actions at Ft Sumter will provoke the south into firing first. You know there were no zazis in the 1860s and the majority of the south in the 1860s was protestant.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins no the letter states if the south wishes war they must bring the war themsealves and the north will not start a war making you the Aggressors of the War . and no wonder you lost you aren't even christian
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 You havent read the letter. In a letter to naval commander Gustavus Fox (May 1 1861) Lincoln said "You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the results."
No Im not a christian, I use to be but then I came to a grand realization.
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins I have read the letter and its says the cause of defending America is advanced by giving starving men bread the fascist hounds of satan refused to allow it through to them
TThorne931 6 months ago
@TThorne931 Once you have read up on your history, then this conversation may continue,
RevBillyRayCollins 6 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins Nazis didn't exist in the 1860's, you are correct. The one thing that makes the Nazi's different from the rest of history's scumbags is that they put more brainpower into ethnic elimination. But anyone who owns a slave deserves a slow, painful death. A life is trashed and it's your fault. Then entire lives of everyone in the south revolved around racism. It was just about the only thing that mattered.
bwelc00 5 months ago
@bwelc00 The north had slaves too until 1865. You cant just condemn the south for slavery, in fact Boston was one of the largest slave ports throughout American history, the city was built on the backs of slaves.
RevBillyRayCollins 5 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins I don't have any idea what percentage of the northern states had slvery still legal in 1865. I know that most of them were free states by that time, but I'm sure they all started out as slave states. But this myth that the south was fighting for freedom or some other bullshit is nuts. They fought to own slaves. Period, end of story. Is being a Nazi worse? Maybe, because the goal is genocide instead of profit, but the fact remains you're comparing one of the..
bwelc00 4 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins biggest groups of scumbags ever to walk the earth against another group of the biggest scumbags to ever walk the earth. Did the rank and file that didn't own slaves differ? Hardly. All they cared about was that there was someone worse off than them. To quote George Wallace after losing the primary for governor in Alabama in 1958- I was outniggered by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be outniggered again.
bwelc00 4 months ago
@bwelc00 4 states in the union until 1865 had thousands of slaves. Why would they fight to own slaves? The good majority of the population didnt even own slaves, why would a man who didnt own a single slave fight and possibly die for a slave? That goes for both sides. George Wallace did not fight for the CSA.
RevBillyRayCollins 4 months ago
To all the people that dont believe that blacks fought for the South too then Google july 11 1863 new york herald
TheFlamingbrownie 8 months ago
lincoln sucks go lee!
southerncountryboy98 8 months ago
@heavymetal217 thats awesome man....my family had people in the civil war but we dont know much about their story. so thats great that you are keeping that history alive
libertarian93 9 months ago
Robert E. Lee is my PawpawLee's Great uncle, ya'll, he was nothin but a simple man, i thank ya'll kindly fer tha sweet compliments, the negatives, i ignored. Now i never met him, but my family is prideful of being his kin, R.I.P Uncle Robert E. Lee, the souths greatest General <3
Your great great great neice,
Amelia Lee. (: <3
ShesSoCountry 10 months ago 11
@ShesSoCountry
God bless you and your great, great, great uncle!!
mauro20031209 10 months ago
@ShesSoCountry God Bless you, Amelia.
nintengirl14 9 months ago
@ShesSoCountry god bless rip genaral lee
mrrezdude1 8 months ago
Robert E. Lee is my PawPaw Lee's great uncle(:
Ya'll he wasnt nothin but a simple man, fightin for what he believed in.
And for you negative people, kiss my ass! lol
Obviously i never met him, but PawPaw said he was a grand man.
R.I.P Uncle Robert,
Your great, great, great neice,
Amelia Lee.
ShesSoCountry 10 months ago 2
what is this music ? The south shal rise again !
Kukulkan38 10 months ago
Da Smert Robert E Lee!!!!!!!
May God Bless You The South Shall Rise Again!!!!
Stogie999 11 months ago
Gen. Lee was a devoted soldier and Christian. The only slaves he owned were inherited and he freed them right away. Slavery had nothin to do with the war till half way thru it. Do any of you know that lincoln signed a 40% tax increase two months before the states seceded? During his presidential campaign he said blacks were inferior to whites. The north needed a just cause for the war and slavery was the answer. And by the way...I'm a yankee from Illinois. Thatll mess up some some theology here.
TheDanoman1 1 year ago 5
@TheDanoman1 im from massachuesettes bro and i agree but do you have the article that says that about lincoln because i havnt been able to find like primary source documents on that. but i like lincoln in that he ended slavery but i like lee more because he was agianst slavery and high taxes
libertarian93 1 year ago
@TheDanoman1
ms42466 4 months ago
There is so much hate in these comments. Robert E. Lee became fully committed to reunification of the states once the war was over.
I'm born and raised in Texas and believe Robert E. Lee is the most commendable American general who ever lived, but he had not supported succession. He supported his home state of Virginia and once the fighting ceased he was one of the most essential voices in repairing bonds between the two sides.
Why carry hate for this war? The South is not oppressed.
thereefshark 1 year ago
buggy whip your so stupid you really dont even know what the war a bout thats why i hate freedom of speech we have to listen to people like you
bigmilan69 1 year ago
All those lives lost because the DEMOCRATS TRIED TO FORCE SLAVERY ON THE COUNTRY. Makes me wonder why any person of color would vote for a Democrat.
buggywhip1 1 year ago
General lee started sumn that will never be finished
Southerncountryboy27 1 year ago
I disliked this for the simple fact I dislike the speech. My Great Great Grandfather was apart of the 26th Mississippi infantry and I wish to God That Saint of a Man Robert E Lee did not have to write this It saddens me so much to hear it in spoken word. When southerners think back to the great struggle we should curse and damn this union we were forced back into with so much deep seeded rage and hate that it should strike up the talk of a new Secession. Damn the Union to hell and her patriots
XGDRabidPanda 1 year ago
@XGDRabidPanda Lee had such little option left by this point. He did what was best for his men. I thought it clever that he says " compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources " that pretty much shows he would have been willing to continue fighting until the last man if he thought there to be a slight chance. God Bless R.E. LEE
driver8train 1 year ago
@driver8train There is a simple fact though. Look at guerrilla warfare it would have worked. If he would have taken the remainder of the army and took the fighting into the hills and mountains of their homeland then there is not way the north would have won.
XGDRabidPanda 1 year ago
@XGDRabidPanda
what you don't see is that with the blockade they had no food no cloths and no weapons they didn't have the resources nor the man power to continue fighting, the war was lost i admit it i agree completely with your enthusiasm toward this cause but the war was lost. With no resources and Shermans actions it was better to end the war then to watch innocent civilians die.
Bigginholder 1 year ago
@Bigginholder The war was lost. But Davis had no plans to end the war. Robert E Lee merely threw in the towel. There is no formal peace treaty with the CSA or south in General. We are still occupied weather we choose to believe that or not does not make that fact any less true. As Southerners we are no more Americans than Canadians. We are still and always will be occupied. Much like the Native Indian's we have both been screwed over by the north and both have the right to hate the Union!
XGDRabidPanda 1 year ago
@XGDRabidPanda i was born and raised in massachusetts. i have had many rude awakenings in the past years. they have taught me all lies. if you want to blame someone blame the freakin elite, the federal government, and whoever should knowingly participate or perpetuate the lie. there r still traitors in the fed and the north is still being kept ignorant.
wckdmsftsgrl 1 year ago
@wckdmsftsgrl I wish i could say I don't agree with you but the hate will never end between the north and the south. Someone should not be so foolish as to think Southerners do not hate Northerners the hate is still there its subconscious its passed down. Southern Pride will always exist and the first attempt for secession will awaken anger inside.
XGDRabidPanda 1 year ago
@XGDRabidPanda I disagree. I don't think it was about hate. It has become about hate. It was about freedom -freedom to exist without total control by a centralized government.
foster21 1 year ago
@foster21 I was not talking about racial hate but regional hate, as in I hate the north, the northern culture, the northern oppressors, the northern Establishment, the northern occupiers, ect.
XGDRabidPanda 1 year ago
@XGDRabidPanda That may have been present, but it is well known that officers and enlisted soldiers alike on both sides of the war were friends and kin. I don't think that hate was saturated.
foster21 1 year ago
@foster21 When you spend a good chunk of your youth, fighting, killing, watching your friends die around you. It is only natural to hate your enemy. Hate is passed down for generations.
XGDRabidPanda 1 year ago
@XGDRabidPanda Ah, see, that's not generational hate; it's generational sin and is applicable to more than just rage -however focused- i.e. sloth, lust, idolatry, falsehoods.. It's both ingrained and taught, and it can be broken. Nonetheless, it's very rare for any nation to declare war for war's sake, hate's sake, what have you. You can't get a whole people to buy in to that. In comes a good reason: freedom from centralized government. Now, you have a united people for war.
foster21 1 year ago
noble
TheMiamifuentes 1 year ago
oh and one last thing we would have kept fighting till we were all dead but robert e. lee loved his men and said no more blood shead and ended like a true man unlike lincoln which would have killed us all before ending it when he was asked why not let the south go he said and i quote "who would pay our taxes" greedy bastard
rebelboy603 1 year ago 29
@rebelboy603 yeah lincoln was a corrupt tyrant that liked to cheat on his wife with other me. And would have bitch slapped his mother for a vote.
cecobb12 11 months ago
@rebelboy603
"Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It is intended for 'perpetual Union,' so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact" -Robert Edward Lee
Robertz1986 8 months ago
@rebelboy603
This is a lie. Lincoln never said that. If he did then prove me wrong. Direct me to the document where this was said.
MrPontiusPilate 7 months ago
@rebelboy603 Lincoln was a good man too. He did what was right, but still he had his faults!
NWFWMbudwieser 7 months ago
@rebelboy603 Lee was a coward and a Facist Butcher may he burn in hell for his treason for all eternity may one day we disrupt his grave and ruin it . and Lee and his army should had been massacred after surrender en masse for the Glory of America
TThorne931 6 months ago
@rebelboy603
"Vae Victis" loser ! You can package a cow and tell the world its a diamond ring. It wont make it a diamond ring. You bullshit yourself and allot of readers. Refain of your personal opinion because it has no merit it never has, even in your generals own words.
Lincoln put word to paper if he lost he would be killed or kill himself. Where is your beloved Jefferson in this ? I have a deep grievance with ppl like you.
MrRizikoo 4 months ago
@MrRizikoo no no no lincoln would not kill himself he's to big of a puss thats why he had 10 million yanks go and attack 1millon rebs he's a fag fuck lincoln ps not sure the the numbers but i do know that the north outnumberd the south by a shitload
triple6blitz 4 months ago
@MrRizikoo How the fuck do you know what Lincoln would have done. He would have had his own nation to run all the south wanted was to be left alone The Federals didnt even think of abolishing slavery until 1862 even then the Northerners in New York rioted in Harlem after the draft was instituted
stevemtc1 1 month ago
The Confederate states was gonna get rid of slavery soon after the war technology was advancing and slavery was obsolete so allv those who say rebs were pussies and racist nazi...etc No group of men would fight so hard for so long for slavery there homeland was being invaded so they defended it thats the way they were thats the way we are its tradition to serve in the military in the south we will defend our land and our love ones to our last breathe Deo vindice my rebel brothers and sister
rebelboy603 1 year ago 24
@rebelboy603 except they wern't going ot get rid of the slaves. Except they were all little skin head sister fucking nazis . they fought for slavery and the Destruction of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and all she defended . and what invasion if you speak of their invasion and occupation of 13 Us states then yes they were an occupation force like the Soviet union in eastern europe except meaner and more nasty . may god curse the south forver god bless Union America
TThorne931 6 months ago
As much as I hate to admit it, Lee was the best General in this war.
I despise the Confederacy for slavery, even to allow one slave is wrong, I don't care.
But Lee was the best of the best.
mrceebees14 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 Then you must despise the north equally.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Not at all, would have been a Union Soldier without question.
mrceebees14 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 The north had slaves too.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 yeah plus he din't belive in slavery and very few soldiers and people but i live in dixy so whoo whoo whoo southern war cry!!!!
KEITHMAN28796 1 year ago
@KEITHMAN28796 Yet, he fought under the flag that fought to keeps it way of life......one of which was slavery.
mrceebees14 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 have you ever thought that he fought under the confed flag because he felt it was his duty? to protect his homeland, to fight for dixie? there are many things that govoernments do that people disagree with yet there are people who will still fight for their homes, Right or wrong in the eyes of others, christ look at Rommel, one of the greatest commanders in history, Fought for the third reich however he ignored orders to kill captured commandos, Jewish soldiers and civilians
lardy07 1 year ago
@lardy07 so true, in war, no side is innocent. atrocities lie everywhere, but there are some individuals who stand up for their beliefs and do what is humane, not what is ordered by a government
driver8train 1 year ago
@KEITHMAN28796 he is the south's George Washington
TheMiamifuentes 1 year ago
@TheMiamifuentes George Washington was from the South also.
VASINGER 1 year ago
Take it to a historical museum where it may be able to be saved from mould destruction going on which makes it smell musty! But take a good foto cop for your home records!
aspiaino 2 years ago
I have this speech on my Confederate record album. I forget how old it is but it is very old and smells musty. It has alot of really neat period music on it.
Podaboba 3 years ago