Well, the first of these "scientists" has now gone public and described what really happened at these conferences 30 or 40 years ago.
Prof. Alfred Kröner has now been personally interviewed and describes how he has been fooled and later misrepresented. I wonder how that makes the people feel, who have fooled, misled and lied to other Muslims for so long.
@beatlesnumber9 , sir i highly believe that your logic in case of HolyQuran is not true at all, The Holy Quran's verses each carry a specific purpose they serve. None has doublemeanings and if the translators are having problem in translating from Arabic(in which Quran descended) to whatever language, then it's their fault.
@ ipsaphasum, sir i think u didn't fully read the Prohet Muhammd's biography, His marriage with Hazrat Ayesha was solemnized after she attained Maturity.
@nutdemon , With all due respect, i read your comment about Jihad. Sir, that is absolutley not true, Islam is a religion of peace. It's just that some arrogant people have taken the part they like out of the Holy Quran. For them u cannot blame the whole Muslim Community. Even Islam condems any such violence. There are so many conditions, after which physical Jihad(as there are two other types of Jihad too) beceomes applicable. So plz stop spreading this hatred.
The 'embryology' of the Qur'an is patently defective for the very simple reason that M, like a true child of the 7th century, did not mention the ovum. He mentions sperm, he does not mention the egg.
All of the verses which contain supposed scientific miracles are very vague and can be taken to mean a number of things, and very often, the supposed scientific miracle is one of the least likely meanings. People often use a psychological tendency called "confirmation bias" which means to interpret information to confirm one's preconceptions and to avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs. Verses are often mistranslated to make a point.
The facts is if you believed quantum physics and science you would not need the koran.Every religion is based on astrological sun worship. They are myths that only serve to divide us and make it easier to control us. If you believed what you say you'd put down the koran and pick up a science book. You are brainwashed and not thinking freely or clearly. Science doesn't believe in miracles. You are either deliisional or trying to traick ppl. You can't rationally legitmize religion.
If you have been taught to believe this is real, then to you it is real, but that doesn't make it reality. It's your reality, and you're only looking for stuff that willl reinforce what it is you want to believe. I don't think you're ready for the truth, and I don't have the time to go round in circles on this thread. If you can't see the connection between the ruling elite and religion and how it's used to control ppl then you just haven't got a clue to what's going on. I can't open your eyes.
As I thought, you have no way of illegitimizing the koran, and now you spout that garbage, let me tell you it works both ways buddy, I can say it's your reality that you believe religion controls ppl, in the end many things control people. The media controls people, the governments control people, PEOPLE control PEOPLE. In the end, being controlled by people is the worst compared to being told to do good things through religion. Because people are greedy, and most control out of greed.
Religion and science are opposites. Islam is a political system, it was created to be a way to control ppl. It has nothing to do with god. It's mentally retarded.
It's christianity that controlled people in the past, remember the governments were all controlled by the churchs. Religion never took place in the Muslim governments, if someone threatened them using religion then obviously they would fight back. For example, the Muslims didn't use the crusades as a religious way to destroy their oppressors, they just had to defend, attack back and retaliate.
I'm not defending x-tianity, but your facts are wrong! All religion is bullshit. The crusaders was defending against muslim aggression. You just stay alseep in your ignorance, bud. The Nation of Islam has nothing to do with politics and religion? That's a real stretch. But keep reading history, maybe you'll learn something to free your mind. But really, freedom is not a gift to someone who prefers slavery.'' fog of death'', how fitting. How poetically fitting. war. Get well soon.
Your facts are wrong sir, the christians attacked the Muslims in a CRUSADE to erase all non-believers from the world.
Thx I like my name, it shrouds people in uncertainty and makes people blind and unaware of the certain death they do not expect. I use it in alot of games I play.
@fog0death Silly, you couldn't even find a scholarly book written by a muslim which claimed that the crusades were to erase all non-believers from the world.
The title is an oxymoron. The video is using science to legitimize a religion. I can come up with many many more scientists who debunk Islam and religion as pure mythology. Get real.
hi, can you name me a scientist who studied a little about quran and as you said debunked the so called scientific evidence. Its not a chalenge but if there is something wrong with my religion I would like to know it.
Scientists have debunked claims of science in the Koran all over the internet. Who ever told you that the Qur'an is a science book? This idea among Muslim's is a very recent phenomenon, not known before the 1970s and having gained massive popularity through the internet. If it's YOUR religion, then you aren't going to honestly research claims that debunk this notion. I have yet to see a verse in the koran which clearly contains modern scientific information.
"The Great Scientists accepting the reality of Quran" ... LOL!!!
Haven't you heard that 93% of the members of the National Academy of Science are either agnostic or atheists? so which "great scientists" are you talking about?
it seems like your username perfectly describes your personality.if i am in your shoes i would check whether these accusations are true or not,at a reliable source before posting it.or not i will only make a fool out of myself.
Muhammad attacked Khaibar. He destroyed, tortured, murdered, plundered, and enslaved many people (Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, 2:134, 136, 137).
They were not preparing to attack him. A Jewish woman, whose family had been wiped out by Muhammad, put poison into a lamb and fed it to Muhammad. He died three years later.
Actually Muhammad (saw) died from natural causes and DIDN'T die from posion. He was given a choice by the angel of death not to die but chose to die and be with Allah (God). May The peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his family.
@MuslimDownunder i'm pretty sure the prophet road to heaven on a magic horse. Very scientific. hahaha. Really man, reread what you just said and tell me it wouldn't make a great star wars movie. B/C it's fiction!
@lurimalafuan There is confirmation in hadiths, the Quran and the first biography of Muhammad (Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham) for all these allegations. It sounds very harsh, but they're not Western inventions. For instance, most Muslims admit that M married and had sex with Aisha from an EXTREMELY early age, but they find ways to defend it. Likewise most Muslims admit that the Jews of Banu Qurayza were massacred, but they seek ways to justify it etc.
Muhammad slept with a child (his 6 year old wife, Aisha) : Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151 Sunan Abu-Dawud 41:4915 Assasination of critics : Sahih Bukhari 5:369 Offensive war waging : Sahih Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13 Sahih Muslim, part I, p. 267 Raping women war prisoners (Muhammad himself does it, and even advises his men to not observe 'azl'. 'Azl' is pulling out your penis b4 ejaculation): Sahih muslim, 2:3371 Sahih Bukhari 3:432 Tabari's History, volume 39, page 194 Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, page 151
u seems to know a lot about Muhammad saw. eventhough u dont believe in him.so before u continue can i please know wat your religion is?so we can dialogue on a fair table.and by the way,with all your research u forgot to mention on the good deeds on Muhammad saw.just to remind u.:)
i ask whats your CURRENT religion...(as if its not clearly enough the first time).
secondly,
Muhammad s.a.w. doesnt teach muslims to blow people up,as gunpowder wasnt discover 1400 years ago.if he does teach muslims to kill innocent people purposely,there wont be any europeans now as muslims flourished when europe is in the dark ages.
thirdly,
i,as a sunni muslim,do not agree in suicide bombings.but in my opinion they did it in the act of desperation after years of oppression.
alot of your references are poor, at no point does it say he was sleeping with aisha!!! the hadiths you are using are not authentic just for the simple fact that these acts are not islamic! check how authentic the hadiths are before you start giving references!!!
If my reference is poor, then throw away all your "Sahih" hadith and sunnah.
Muhammad slept with Aisha when she was 9.
Sunan Abu-Dawud 41:4915
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came, according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah, and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine.
no you dont throw away all the hadith and sunnah, but you have to differenciate between the authentic and the fake!! i dont knw the actual number but its around 3000 hadiths were made up by jews. 'Abu-Dawud' is VERY rarely used as a reference point by muslims, its mainly 'bakari' and 'muslim' which is used and even then you gota check the chain of narations!
your issue isnt him marrying aisha or any other issue, your issue is you dont belive he is a prophet so is this your way of trina make everyone else beleive he wasnt a prophet? you're an ex-muslim?? if this was enough to turn you away then you definetly had weak faith!!!
When so many historical evidence points to the same fact, we accept it as true. It doesnt really matter which hadith/sunnah. If 2 or more sources say the same thing, then it has to be true.
> if this was enough to turn you away then > you definetly had weak faith!!! Is faith important? Or is the truth important? You obviously have no idea about Muhammad's character. There is a lot of moral issues with Muhammad. He is not fit to be a prophet of God. 1. Muhammad had AT LEAST 11-13 wives. 2. Muhammad was extremely cruel in his punishments. 3. He was a pedophile (kid fucker). 4. He allowed raping. 5. He waged war. 6. Most Important : He is a liar. Faith, or the truth? Which one?
A group of eight men from the tribe of Ukil came asked for help from Muhammad, they were thirsty and weak. Muhammad asked them to drink the urine & the milk of the camels, & become muslim.
After becoming healthy, they killed the shepherd,drove away the camels,& became unbelievers. The Prophet caught them, & had their hands & feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated & poked into their eyes, & they were left to die
Muhammad slept with a child (his 6 year old wife, Aisha) : Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151 Sunan Abu-Dawud 41:4915 Assasination of critics : Sahih Bukhari 5:369 Offensive war waging : Sahih Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13 Sahih Muslim, part I, p. 267 Raping women war prisoners (Muhammad himself does it, and even advises his men to not observe 'azl'. 'Azl' is pulling out your penis b4 ejaculation): Sahih muslim, 2:3371 Sahih Bukhari 3:432 Tabari's History, volume 39, page 194 Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, page 151
Well u r just mentioning Hadeeses for ur kind information there 18000 hadees , which are considered to be words of prophets and many scholors belive many of them are not authentic hadees so if any hadees contradict with Quran we will consider them as un authentic, hadees are taken as expalanation of things discussed in quran , Quran is word of God and faultless , hence hadess can not be considered as faultless so u must shut up and have ur shit some other place
So please stop fasting during Ramadhan for no reason, since you dont believe the hadith.
Many important events took place is ONLY recorded in the hadith. For example : the Hijrah. The Quran tells you to fast during Ramadhan, but it doesn't tell why.
From a historical analyses, the Hadith is the most reliable source of Arabic history. The Quran loses to the hadith in terms of historical strength.
From the stupid Muslim analyses, the Quran is faultless. Therefore the Hadith is wrong. LOL!
I did not said that i dont beleive in hadith, but all of the hadees numbering 18000 are not authentic and where ever it contradict any issue with quran its is proved to be un authentic, so we should understade hadees are compiled later stages from the narrations of people, authentic hadees is one hwich is narrated by mor ethan 1 person, so if u do deep analaysis u come to result that quoting hadees with out its contaxt inappropriate ,hadees are very important but as for as it explains Quran
The Sahih collection is certified by the 'doctors' of Islam and west historians.
Also, if the same statement is repeated by multiple narrators, then it is beyond any doubt true. If it is against the Quran, then it can only mean the Quran is a lie. But Muslims dont have that choice. Haha.
According to the hadith :
1. Muhammad had 11-13 wives
2. Muhammad married a 6 year old girl
3. Muhammad waged war
4. Muhammad killed non believers
But anyway, tell me which of the above is against the Quran?
Mohammad first marraige was with widower Khudeja 40 when Mohammad was 25 years Old, and
it has never been 11 wives were nt at the same time but at differnt times, Quran reveals allowing 3 wifes on very later stages his marraiges were differnt times and stages accroding to needs for the womens need protection which were widowers or divoced or newly muslims and were left with out husband due to their conversion of islam,understande the that when impossible to live womens alone
its foolish and untrue that Mohammad married to Aisha at age of 6,the reality is Father of Aisha(r.a) abu baker(r.a) was very rich and strong man in the society,how a person like abubaker make her dughter to marry to poor man at this age its illogical, Accoring to my own research the hadees is fabricated the true age of marriage of aisha was 19 at age of marriage i can prove it with evideance if u want i can send u email privately
Muhammad never waged war against any one, First war was War of Badr, when kuffar of mecca attacked on only 313 muslims defeated 1000 kuffars, and war of Khandak, most of the wars were started and were fought on the grounds of muslims always opposition come to fight on muslims grounds, muslims never went on time of mohammad no muslims went to oppsotion grounds to fight it always stated from otherside and Muslims have always been very less in in number s and streanth
4) Quran is very clear about the Killings it says Killing an innocent is same as killing whole mankind ur quoted hadees talked about people who discarded muslims religions, the contaxt of this hadees is very clear , at that time there were Many non muslims called Munafiqs those ppl accpted islam just to show the muslims but in reality they were infidels, and they were spying inside muslims and passing on sensitve information to enemy were called for this punishment
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years.
Read : "and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old"
Here is the Arabic text :
An Ayeshath AnnaNabiyya Sallallahu alaihi vasallama thazawwajaha vahiya binthu Sitha sineena, va bana biha vahiya binthu ThisI sineen. Qala Hisham : Va unbiethu Annaha kanath Indahu ThisI Sineen.
Literally bana biha means build with her. This is a phrase that is used to denote intimate sexual relations. Marriage requires consummation by sexual intercourse. Read properly 'la', bitch.
In that time it was normal to have a marriage no matther what age,and when they got married Aisha still lived with her parents till she wanted her self to move in with muhammad(saws)
And all those types of things that they did was normal in arabia at that time.
some of the hadiths was from what Muhammed saws said. and to kill kafir and muslims that goes against islam was probably in a war situation.
and he didnt have sex with all of the at one night.. if i have sex with my husband its non of ur buisness so if muhammed did it with his wifes. its not alowd in islam to have so many wifes..it was a coltural thing. muhammed was just a human like us. ans sry about my english if u were norwegian i could probably explain it better in my language
Muhammad had at least 11-13 wives. Please read the Sahih Bukhari 7:62:142 i gave above, it shows he had 9 (at the time).
To everyone acquainted with Islamic (syariah) law it is no secret that according to Islam the punishment for a Muslim who turns to kufr / kafir is execution. Death.
This is because Muhammad himself did it. Here:
Sahih Bukhari, volume 9, #57
....according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
You already lost when you said Aisha was a teenager when Muhammad fucked her. All Islamic scholars know when it was at age 8 - 9.
Children are not supposed to have sex so early. It affects their psychology. This is why the psychologically damaged Aisha started wars after Muhammad's death.
Imagine this, you are 18 years old and your husband dies. And the Quran bans everyone from marrying you.
1. U think Im a demon, because of my name. Typical Muslim who believe everything they read.
2. U thanked God for it
Muhammad was a rapist, and let his men do it. Read:
Quran 24.33: Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.
BTW, it is ur religious duty to kill me. Im murtad.
so?i got ask you if you murtad?thats your problem . i dont give a shit. mind your own business you twerp. go cut help your mum to circumcise her smelly pussy..
And by the way, my mum is circumcised. She is Muslim. But Islam will end with my generation. We are free thinkers now.
If god made us perfect, why mutilate ourselves? Fuck off.
No more ridiculous penis and vagina mutilations. No more stupid verses and rubbish from the Quran.
Im sick of stories about our 'hero' Muhammad fucking his child wife as well as 12 other women. Also sick of stories of him killing, assasinating, war mongering, slavery, lying, and penis mutilations.
lamb your mama shit . i support my prophet , do you have problems with that? so what if im pervert?at least my mum taught me manners NOT TO CONVERT OR MURTAD. LOSE ALR FUCK OFF !
malay????now its sounds racist....like i said........fuck your mother...sister..father..n go fuck yourself..hahahahaha..u dont even got the balls to declare ur religion..you pig...maybe you have got alot of fathers thats why u've got no manners...by the way u can fuck them too hahahahaha
dear nutdemon,u really should learn the truth..learn the religion before you made any comment about it. or else, u will be consider as an ignorant without any knowledge.. Prophet Muhammad saw did not touch siti Aishah until she reach her puberty even if HE married her at tender age.
fuck u mother fucker.... than u r the idiot...not respecting one's religion...means not respecting fellow human being...maybe your the pig..im sure u dont even know your fucking religion well enough to insult other religion....go fuck your mother..sister better still..go fuck yourself...
oh my god this guy's mum is a muslim???dear me what kind of a son does she have?????anyway dont declare something that u dont really knw......pity her....anyway is she alive freethinker?...do u have the balls to show all this stuff u sent? if u do i think she would rather dump u in the toilet........liar.....again fuck u hahahahahaha
Sexism in Islam : Unfair treatment towards women. Most of the Surah in the Quran only applies for men, and tends to favor men.
"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. "
1. 11-13 wives thats for our benefit teaches us how to behave with our partner
2. cruel in punishment - depends on the sin, people shouldnt give reason for the punishment
3. no proof of him being a pedophile his marriage to aisha was beneficial for muslims, shes one the greatest scholars to ever live,and one of the largest narrators of hadith. all those refrences u mentioned say nothing about them sleeping together
4. no proof of raping!
5. waged war against those who waged war against him
1. Teaches us how to behave? Are you trying to be funny? King Solomon had 60 wives, was he teaching us too?
2. This is how Muhammad punished the 8 'Ukil men : poked hot nails into both eyes, cutting off ALL the hands and feet, and then throw them out into the hot desert, with no water, until the men bit at the rocks. (Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:261)
3. Pedophile : Aisha was 6 when he married her, and she moved in with him at 9. What happens when your new wife stays with you in your house?
1. if one wife didnt mention something about how he behaved at home with them then another one would. leaves no room for something to be left out.
2. the punishment is pretty bad but you failed to mention what they did. they were being well loked after by the prothet who told go and drink the milk of the camels and Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels.Abu Qilaba: 'They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land'
According to the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition, this is the criteria for a pedophile:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.
As you can see, Muhammad has dreamed TWICE about Aisha, and UNCOVERED her in his dream. This qualifies criteria A. Then, he married Aisha. Qualifies criteria B.
Aisha was known for disobeying Mohammad even in the simplest of tasks. Example, she was told not to ride on a male horse, yet shit did. If you ask why is she not allowed to, go to google images and type in "bestiality"..Also she started a war after Mohammad died, while his other widows kept peace, which they were told to do.
In the Quran, Chapter 109 "The Disbelievers"
"I worship not what you worship,
nor you worship what I worship"
...
"Unto ye be your religion, and I unto my religion."
@nutdemon everything in islam can be undestood from an historical context (Many western scholar agree with idea). the 8 men, commited murder, and they stole from the people. This was capital punishment for murder, just like part of the united state today does the same. PLus, about 150 years ago probably less people in the US and rest of europe married girls around age of 12,And that was not considered strange. and it still goes around the world. Ur looking at it from a modern prespective. peec
@thinker6236 The United States will not poke hot nails into your eyes, leave you to die of thirst in a blistering hot dessert with your arms and legs cut off. Modern perspective came into existence because we all agree on one thing = humanism. This is where almost all religions fail. Holy men are good/kind, but unfortunately they only tend to see the good parts of their religion, and fail to see the ugly parts.
@nutdemonr R U SURE the united state will not do that its own people? but it will burn them under something worse[ electricity]. ELECTRIC CHAIR, which is much worse than desert heat... but how about iraq where OVER 2 MILLION INFANTS, OLD PEOPLE,WOMEN AND MEN are BLOWN into peices under there ROOF by bombs/fire . how about GUANTANAMO BAY; waterboarding, slamming detainees into walls, and depriving them of sleep for up to 11 days, dogs attacking, DRUGGING, RELGIOUS PERSECUTION, SEXUAL DEGRADTION.
@thinker6236 The US didn't send young teenage boys into the Iraqi minefields with a copy of the Qur'an as their only protection. The Iranian holy men, the ayatollahs, did that.
@IpsaPaphum are sure! here something, since the war began G.W BUSH has given 1 billion dollar to the chrisitian missionaries who went into iraq (a battle field/ or a minefields as like to think of it) to convert muslims into christians. these missionaries believe they are martyed killed 4 for jesus(pbuh). The so called holy iranian man are nothing but hypocrit, they don't represent the muslim world. And they are so hated even the iranian some iranian people are rebelling agianst them. peace.
wow i am so surprised that you are so positive about your country. i think you dont read news. US have been keeping people without any judicial trials, denying all "humanism" and human rights, captive for more than decades in camps like you know which one. so pls shut your non sense talks here
@JuniAsh73 First of all, the US is not my country nor do I live there. Second, The US gov is "human" enough to keep suspected terrorists captive instead of just killing them like what the Muslims do in the name of Jihad.
Even innocent 16 year old children suddenly show up with bombs in their clothes. Is the freedom of one "suspected terrorist" worth the lives of all the people that he/she can (possibly) kill? Do you have any idea how many random terrorist attacks the US has sustained?
@JuniAsh73 Anyway, I was referring to the way Prophet Muhammad treated his captives (the 8 men of 'Ukil). He poke nails into theirs eyes, cut off all their arms and legs, and left them to die in a searing hot desert. See the Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 4:52:261. This is just one example of his cruelty.
What even more interesting is that Muslims believe in this information and had it for 1400 years, yet they couldn't contribute it to scientists." They had to wait until some other nation figures it out". HA HA HA
It is funny that, how someone actually sits down and relates the Quran to modern Science, to make believe it was God's sent to Muhammad.
Please, you Muslims out there, do not insult our intelligence.
Also, if you Google scientists on the Quran, you will find out more about these scientists. Who they are, what they do, and how comes they say what they say. You will find that they are highly acclaimed and distinguished men of science. If that doesn't satisfy you I don't know what will.
read my earlier comments posted here regarding validity of these scientists.
A few years ago, the tobacco companies brought in about 20 scientist in a court dispute that "tobacco's don't kill" and 20 doctors scientists and witnesses testified that "yea tobacco does'nt kill".....
We all know the effects of tobacco on long term effects on lungs and being cancerous....
What can I say? Ignorance has brought people down to the gutter. Look up informationon biological findings brother. Think before you post a comment. LOGIC-do not be ignorant.
I did think it over before i post my comment, my dear sister.
I must regret that this video is not telling you the truth, What great scientist do you see here? who are they? what are their names? Who greater than Albert Einstein??? These guys don't even measure up to Albert Einstein.
Do you have any sense? They are speaking only of science and the Quran-relating it to biological studies and advanced biological findings. They do speak about how the Quran is too perfected-Muhammad (peace be upon him) could not have come up with these ideas himself. There must be a higher power-1400 years back-that is way too long for people to have seen ahead.Think it through logically.
These scientists say that the Quran is so precise that it is remarkable. Logic and science go hand in hand. All of these scientists approve that the Quran is 100% accurate scientifically until today. What do you think of that?
HalvaFalafel: Wasn't it Einstein who said "Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind". Don't believe me, Google this quote and see what you come up with. He wasn't an atheist, he was a Jew. Even though he didn't believe Jews were the "chosen people", as he said, "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups".
Suit yourself! In my opinion science has come along way since Einstein, my dear friend. So if you make excuses and chose to ignore all the facts and discoveries found in the Holy Qur'an, which was only attained recently might I add, with the advancement of technology and science, well, then, there is absolutely not much I can say to you. It's your call. However remember actions have consequences.
Also, you keep questioning their creditability. Have you even bothered to look up and see who these men actually are? Let me just tell you about one of them...
Dr. Keith Moore, "Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."
cont..."Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud)", he is the authority on embryology. I strongly recommend the latest edition of the latter book as it mentions how accurately the Qur'an describes embryo development. His books on anatomy and on embryology are used at many medical schools as standard instruction books.
Most of these guys are doctors (and two geologists), not scientists.
They don't have fundamental knowledge of physics and maths. Biology doesn't cut it. Geology is more to chemistry.
These crackpot doctors who study the tiny field of the human body/biology and think they understand the universe and physics. Hahaha. How is that, if you didnt learn physics and maths?
Einstein is miles apart in difference. Dont confuse the word scientist and doctor. Doctors are just mechanics of the human body.
Any scientist which may read the Quran has no doubts whatsoever. It is logically proven by science and too accurate to have been by chance. Mashallah.
First of all we are not discussing nor comparing Islam with Christianity. Our topic is Islam.
Secondly, Christians celebrate Christ's death date rather than his birthday because no one knows the correct birth date of Christ.
If Muhammad was so knowledgeable and in direct contact with God, He could have revealed the Human DNA in the Quran to have a solid proof, if you say it was a step by step of man/Woman anatomy.
Well, i investigated that claim and asked several of those scientists per Mail. Two responded: Kröner and Hay. They also explained, what happened at that time.
I suggest you to simply do the same: A short email or phone call will give you better information than a 30-year-old video. You find both scientists with google.
1- the video shows about 10 statements about scientific FACTS that were not known 1400 years ago and where this knowledge ould have come from.
2- the supposed article "Strange Bedfellows: Western Scholars Play Key Role in Touting `Science' of the Quran" no scientist said he was "cheated" or "misled" or "bribed". this is the authors opinion.
3- the only TRAP they fell into was giving their unbiased opinion
4- if their words were taken out of context, then what was the context?
5- since you communicated directly with only 2 scientists, at least forward us the emails so we can see how they were scientifically mistaken 30 years ago that the scientific knowledge WAS known 1400 years ago
but you and the supposed author are right, if they had known ths video would be posted on youtube for the world to see, they certainly would not have given their personal opinions about the issues...they would have fed us garbage like you enjoy doing
correction, not all of them would have fed us garbage, just the ones you refer to. the rest, according to you, didn't comment and thereby didn't CHANGE their scientific analysis
6- the supposed article is 30 YEARS AFTER THE CONVENTION...why did it take so long? Do you expect anyone to accept the article's OPINION over what was cleary TESTIFIED ON THE VIDEO?
Albert Einestien predicted that time travel is possible in 1960's, yet we haven't been able to figure it out how. so if in another 50 or 100 years we discover time travel, is it fair to say that Albert Einestien was in direct contact with God and he is a Prophet/Messenger of God???
How did he know that time travel was possible??
So you see, that how did he know argument isn't a valid argument.You Muslims find another line of Argument...
Einstein presented a theoretical basis for time travel. He was a scientist and that too one of the greatest. His knowledge on the subject was extensive and he had years of research behind his theories. That is historical fact.
Muhammad (pbuh) didn't know how to read or write. The Qur'an contains a detailed description of embryology: a field that was only possible to study after the invention of powerful microscopes in the 1900s, 1300 years after the Qur'an was revealed. That is historical fact.
Could you explain to me how an illiterate with no scientific knowledge about biology (let alone embryology) could come up with:
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth;"
"Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;"
"Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!"
The bases of creation can be seen in all creatures and all plants, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Even trees are created the same way, you plant a seed, then there is a cloth of wood around it and green leafs and so on.
Your Argument of how did he know is too old and it isn't even your argument, clergy used it for centuries, and if you don't have a common knowledge of the nature, then you don't have an answer for it.
Humankind didn't have a sergion(s) 5000 years ago??? Ancient Greeks and egyption's used to cut out the intestins of Kings to mumify and preserve there body for afterlife.
Thats called Medicine in the old days.
Want me to go on? or do you want to stick with your "How did an illiterate man know theory"?
that has nothing to do with mumifieng bastard this is more complex what are you on about. are you jealues that our quran has miracles that ur pagan book hasn't. mr.dubz is talking about how the quran reveals how man is created step by step. it has nothing to do with ur theory of how to preserve a body pagan wake up.
yeh u investigated and they replied to a lier like you fat chance waste man stop lieng fool no one belives what comes out of your pagan mouth pagan christian. worship your pagan holiday"christmas= Saturnalia and santa = satan, also ever questioned the riding of magical beasts pagan.
You should take your power of reasoning to uneducated folks in Arabia and 3rd world common folks where they are not educated enough to know the difference. We live in the 21st century now, People are more educated alot more than you think, so stop bullshitting people. Everyone knows that Santa don't exist, Santa was created to keep children in line and in good behavior.
of course he wasnt created by god pagan i didnt say that. christmas is a pagan holiday if you dont believe pagan than research for your self on google or on youtube ok. funny how your bibles say jesus was born in september but you celeberate it on the 25th of december. the same with halloween and easter and also valatines day. research pagan and open your eyes.
mr "UnsichtbarerGeist", if that really is the case then it would be very helpful if you can substantiate your claims with abstracts of your correspondence and the article in the wall street journal.
I investigated the claim, that "western scientists confirm miracles in the quran" some time ago, and wrote emails to several of those scientists. Two - Kröner and Hay responded.
Result: The scientists have been manipulated and cheated and some of them quoted out of context. This was a great cheating in order to fool people in the name of religion.
There was also an article in the wall street journal saying the same.
Really buddy, soo bad na,, Oh i have got some of full videos shown here nothing is out of contaxt, why not u go to thses scientists to say opposite what have they said, they are very very clear in arguments
Well, i know these videos. But that was not fair play.
Just google "western scientists play key role quran" and you find an article from the wall street journal describing what happened. As i wrote, i got responses from to scientists, which told me exactly the same story.
Don't be fooled by those "miracles". Think yourself!
ahan but Problem is that i knw arabic lanague and can confirm and match it what science says, i am still working on it but till now i have seen that what ever thses scinctist have written in their books is simialr to Quran, i have got some books and searching for some more will reaserhc it more, but still uptill now i have discoverd it like its a miracle
This is grasping at straws; but if Muslims are trying to frame the debate about religious belief in scientific and rational terms, that is a positive step, both in the form that their personal belief is taking (towards rationality and away from faith), and in terms of the weakening of their religion, which will eventually allow Muslims, like Christians, to abondon religion completely in the future without persecution. And that is, in the end, the way forward for all humanity.
It is sad, yet entirely consistent, that theists today are unaware of the 2000 year battle that Xianity has fought against every type of science - astronomy in the past, and today still especially in medicine (stem cell research, abortion) and biology (evolution). Science does not require 'belief', which is a religious euphamism for 'pretend'.
Bukhari:V4B55N549 "Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, 'As it relates to your creation, every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for an other forty days, and then a piece of flesh for an other forty days [a four-month gestation isn't even half right]. WHAT ARE THESE SCIENTITS ACCEPTING WAS A GUN POINTED AT THEM ??
thats a logical fallacy called "argument from authority" look it up, actually, i recommend you look up ALL the logical fallacies because you sure like making them all the time
The point is these men were scientist not any dumbass and they did their research based on nknowledge and they made a conclusion so it will be accepted from them ,fact is fact it came gfrom the mouth of a person grounded in their field so u are a nobody get over it.
Well, the first of these "scientists" has now gone public and described what really happened at these conferences 30 or 40 years ago.
Prof. Alfred Kröner has now been personally interviewed and describes how he has been fooled and later misrepresented. I wonder how that makes the people feel, who have fooled, misled and lied to other Muslims for so long.
StopSpamming1 10 months ago
@beatlesnumber9 , sir i highly believe that your logic in case of HolyQuran is not true at all, The Holy Quran's verses each carry a specific purpose they serve. None has doublemeanings and if the translators are having problem in translating from Arabic(in which Quran descended) to whatever language, then it's their fault.
TheHipHopKing007 11 months ago
@ ipsaphasum, sir i think u didn't fully read the Prohet Muhammd's biography, His marriage with Hazrat Ayesha was solemnized after she attained Maturity.
TheHipHopKing007 11 months ago
@nutdemon , With all due respect, i read your comment about Jihad. Sir, that is absolutley not true, Islam is a religion of peace. It's just that some arrogant people have taken the part they like out of the Holy Quran. For them u cannot blame the whole Muslim Community. Even Islam condems any such violence. There are so many conditions, after which physical Jihad(as there are two other types of Jihad too) beceomes applicable. So plz stop spreading this hatred.
TheHipHopKing007 11 months ago
The 'embryology' of the Qur'an is patently defective for the very simple reason that M, like a true child of the 7th century, did not mention the ovum. He mentions sperm, he does not mention the egg.
IpsaPaphum 1 year ago 5
google Deism, you poor misguided sleeple.
beatlesnumber9 1 year ago
You are all so lfull of shit, science does not believe anything in the book of lies.
justanoldman1 1 year ago
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OldSchoolSkill 2 years ago
All of the verses which contain supposed scientific miracles are very vague and can be taken to mean a number of things, and very often, the supposed scientific miracle is one of the least likely meanings. People often use a psychological tendency called "confirmation bias" which means to interpret information to confirm one's preconceptions and to avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs. Verses are often mistranslated to make a point.
beatlesnumber9 2 years ago 15
This is why, these scientists have studied many of the miracles and realized that there is too many miracles for it to be something else.
fog0death 2 years ago
The facts is if you believed quantum physics and science you would not need the koran.Every religion is based on astrological sun worship. They are myths that only serve to divide us and make it easier to control us. If you believed what you say you'd put down the koran and pick up a science book. You are brainwashed and not thinking freely or clearly. Science doesn't believe in miracles. You are either deliisional or trying to traick ppl. You can't rationally legitmize religion.
beatlesnumber9 2 years ago
Alright now i ask you this, is there a way to ILLEGITIMIZE the koran? Is there something that contradicts science? Please do tell.
fog0death 2 years ago
If you have been taught to believe this is real, then to you it is real, but that doesn't make it reality. It's your reality, and you're only looking for stuff that willl reinforce what it is you want to believe. I don't think you're ready for the truth, and I don't have the time to go round in circles on this thread. If you can't see the connection between the ruling elite and religion and how it's used to control ppl then you just haven't got a clue to what's going on. I can't open your eyes.
beatlesnumber9 2 years ago
As I thought, you have no way of illegitimizing the koran, and now you spout that garbage, let me tell you it works both ways buddy, I can say it's your reality that you believe religion controls ppl, in the end many things control people. The media controls people, the governments control people, PEOPLE control PEOPLE. In the end, being controlled by people is the worst compared to being told to do good things through religion. Because people are greedy, and most control out of greed.
fog0death 2 years ago
Religion and science are opposites. Islam is a political system, it was created to be a way to control ppl. It has nothing to do with god. It's mentally retarded.
beatlesnumber9 2 years ago
It's christianity that controlled people in the past, remember the governments were all controlled by the churchs. Religion never took place in the Muslim governments, if someone threatened them using religion then obviously they would fight back. For example, the Muslims didn't use the crusades as a religious way to destroy their oppressors, they just had to defend, attack back and retaliate.
fog0death 2 years ago
I'm not defending x-tianity, but your facts are wrong! All religion is bullshit. The crusaders was defending against muslim aggression. You just stay alseep in your ignorance, bud. The Nation of Islam has nothing to do with politics and religion? That's a real stretch. But keep reading history, maybe you'll learn something to free your mind. But really, freedom is not a gift to someone who prefers slavery.'' fog of death'', how fitting. How poetically fitting. war. Get well soon.
beatlesnumber9 2 years ago
Your facts are wrong sir, the christians attacked the Muslims in a CRUSADE to erase all non-believers from the world.
Thx I like my name, it shrouds people in uncertainty and makes people blind and unaware of the certain death they do not expect. I use it in alot of games I play.
fog0death 2 years ago
@fog0death Silly, you couldn't even find a scholarly book written by a muslim which claimed that the crusades were to erase all non-believers from the world.
IpsaPaphum 1 year ago
@fog0death can you come to my channel and answer my questions on my page?
DuckingNDiving 1 year ago
@beatlesnumber9 That statement of yours is only true when you are ignorant of what the Quran teaches.
MuBa21 1 year ago
Like what??????
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
The title is an oxymoron. The video is using science to legitimize a religion. I can come up with many many more scientists who debunk Islam and religion as pure mythology. Get real.
beatlesnumber9 2 years ago
hi, can you name me a scientist who studied a little about quran and as you said debunked the so called scientific evidence. Its not a chalenge but if there is something wrong with my religion I would like to know it.
a3bdu3 2 years ago
Scientists have debunked claims of science in the Koran all over the internet. Who ever told you that the Qur'an is a science book? This idea among Muslim's is a very recent phenomenon, not known before the 1970s and having gained massive popularity through the internet. If it's YOUR religion, then you aren't going to honestly research claims that debunk this notion. I have yet to see a verse in the koran which clearly contains modern scientific information.
beatlesnumber9 2 years ago
Allahu-Akbar
amareto35 2 years ago
"The Great Scientists accepting the reality of Quran" ... LOL!!!
Haven't you heard that 93% of the members of the National Academy of Science are either agnostic or atheists? so which "great scientists" are you talking about?
You religious freaks are so full of shit!
welwitschia 2 years ago 5
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Why Islam is fake :
Muhammad slept with a child. An adult who finds a child sexually attractive is called a pedophile.
He raided unarmed civilians and looted everything. Such a person is called a marauder/gangster.
He slept with women captured in his raids and allowed his followers to do the same. This is called rape.
He ordered his followers to assassinate his critics. Such a person is called an assassin.
He massacred his prisoners of war. Such a person is called mass murderer.
nutdemon 3 years ago
it seems like your username perfectly describes your personality.if i am in your shoes i would check whether these accusations are true or not,at a reliable source before posting it.or not i will only make a fool out of myself.
lurimalafuan 3 years ago
Muhammad attacked Khaibar. He destroyed, tortured, murdered, plundered, and enslaved many people (Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, 2:134, 136, 137).
They were not preparing to attack him. A Jewish woman, whose family had been wiped out by Muhammad, put poison into a lamb and fed it to Muhammad. He died three years later.
Sahih Bukhari 4:39 (jewish woman qoute) :
"We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you."
nutdemon 3 years ago
Muhammad died 3 days later, not 3 years. Sorry. My human mistake.
nutdemon 3 years ago
Actually Muhammad (saw) died from natural causes and DIDN'T die from posion. He was given a choice by the angel of death not to die but chose to die and be with Allah (God). May The peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his family.
MuslimDownunder 3 years ago
lol muslimdownunder...who witnessed/heard an angel given him a choice whether to die or not lol
and its only your INDOCTRINATED BELIEF he is with an allah...or indeed that there is any such thing as an allah
so WHY do so many say he was poisoned??? you tell me
proudfemale 3 years ago
@MuslimDownunder i'm pretty sure the prophet road to heaven on a magic horse. Very scientific. hahaha. Really man, reread what you just said and tell me it wouldn't make a great star wars movie. B/C it's fiction!
beatlesnumber9 1 year ago 2
@lurimalafuan There is confirmation in hadiths, the Quran and the first biography of Muhammad (Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham) for all these allegations. It sounds very harsh, but they're not Western inventions. For instance, most Muslims admit that M married and had sex with Aisha from an EXTREMELY early age, but they find ways to defend it. Likewise most Muslims admit that the Jews of Banu Qurayza were massacred, but they seek ways to justify it etc.
IpsaPaphum 1 year ago 3
xD omg!! plz prove any of the statement u jus made. XD!!!!! May allah guide you.
vitamindark1123 3 years ago
nutdemon 3 years ago
u seems to know a lot about Muhammad saw. eventhough u dont believe in him.so before u continue can i please know wat your religion is?so we can dialogue on a fair table.and by the way,with all your research u forgot to mention on the good deeds on Muhammad saw.just to remind u.:)
lurimalafuan 3 years ago
> can i please know wat your religion is?
I am an ex-Muslim.
> u forgot to mention on the good deeds
> on Muhammad
If a Muslim terrorists did a 1000 good deeds, but bombs innocent civilians, will you forgive him?
BTW, i mistakenly put 'he died 3 years later'. He died 3 days later from poison.
nutdemon 3 years ago
firstly,
i ask whats your CURRENT religion...(as if its not clearly enough the first time).
secondly,
Muhammad s.a.w. doesnt teach muslims to blow people up,as gunpowder wasnt discover 1400 years ago.if he does teach muslims to kill innocent people purposely,there wont be any europeans now as muslims flourished when europe is in the dark ages.
thirdly,
i,as a sunni muslim,do not agree in suicide bombings.but in my opinion they did it in the act of desperation after years of oppression.
lurimalafuan 3 years ago
alot of your references are poor, at no point does it say he was sleeping with aisha!!! the hadiths you are using are not authentic just for the simple fact that these acts are not islamic! check how authentic the hadiths are before you start giving references!!!
usernamenotvisible 3 years ago
If my reference is poor, then throw away all your "Sahih" hadith and sunnah.
Muhammad slept with Aisha when she was 9.
Sunan Abu-Dawud 41:4915
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came, according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah, and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine.
nutdemon 3 years ago
no you dont throw away all the hadith and sunnah, but you have to differenciate between the authentic and the fake!! i dont knw the actual number but its around 3000 hadiths were made up by jews. 'Abu-Dawud' is VERY rarely used as a reference point by muslims, its mainly 'bakari' and 'muslim' which is used and even then you gota check the chain of narations!
usernamenotvisible 3 years ago
your issue isnt him marrying aisha or any other issue, your issue is you dont belive he is a prophet so is this your way of trina make everyone else beleive he wasnt a prophet? you're an ex-muslim?? if this was enough to turn you away then you definetly had weak faith!!!
usernamenotvisible 3 years ago
Are you a university Islamic proffessor and history who decides which hadith is right and which is wrong?
But nevermind. I will give you other sources :
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88, Sahih Muslim 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311.
Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131; Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7
When so many historical evidence points to the same fact, we accept it as true. It doesnt really matter which hadith/sunnah. If 2 or more sources say the same thing, then it has to be true.
nutdemon 3 years ago
nutdemon 3 years ago
See You dont know muhamad who told you this things. They are not true. I can explain it to you if youd like.
berry247 3 years ago
Sahih Bukhari Vol4, Book 52, Number 261
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A group of eight men from the tribe of Ukil came asked for help from Muhammad, they were thirsty and weak. Muhammad asked them to drink the urine & the milk of the camels, & become muslim.
After becoming healthy, they killed the shepherd,drove away the camels,& became unbelievers. The Prophet caught them, & had their hands & feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated & poked into their eyes, & they were left to die
nutdemon 3 years ago
nutdemon 3 years ago
Well u r just mentioning Hadeeses for ur kind information there 18000 hadees , which are considered to be words of prophets and many scholors belive many of them are not authentic hadees so if any hadees contradict with Quran we will consider them as un authentic, hadees are taken as expalanation of things discussed in quran , Quran is word of God and faultless , hence hadess can not be considered as faultless so u must shut up and have ur shit some other place
madari2 3 years ago
So please stop fasting during Ramadhan for no reason, since you dont believe the hadith.
Many important events took place is ONLY recorded in the hadith. For example : the Hijrah. The Quran tells you to fast during Ramadhan, but it doesn't tell why.
From a historical analyses, the Hadith is the most reliable source of Arabic history. The Quran loses to the hadith in terms of historical strength.
From the stupid Muslim analyses, the Quran is faultless. Therefore the Hadith is wrong. LOL!
nutdemon 3 years ago
I did not said that i dont beleive in hadith, but all of the hadees numbering 18000 are not authentic and where ever it contradict any issue with quran its is proved to be un authentic, so we should understade hadees are compiled later stages from the narrations of people, authentic hadees is one hwich is narrated by mor ethan 1 person, so if u do deep analaysis u come to result that quoting hadees with out its contaxt inappropriate ,hadees are very important but as for as it explains Quran
madari2 3 years ago
The Sahih collection is certified by the 'doctors' of Islam and west historians.
Also, if the same statement is repeated by multiple narrators, then it is beyond any doubt true. If it is against the Quran, then it can only mean the Quran is a lie. But Muslims dont have that choice. Haha.
According to the hadith :
1. Muhammad had 11-13 wives
2. Muhammad married a 6 year old girl
3. Muhammad waged war
4. Muhammad killed non believers
But anyway, tell me which of the above is against the Quran?
nutdemon 3 years ago
Mohammad first marraige was with widower Khudeja 40 when Mohammad was 25 years Old, and
it has never been 11 wives were nt at the same time but at differnt times, Quran reveals allowing 3 wifes on very later stages his marraiges were differnt times and stages accroding to needs for the womens need protection which were widowers or divoced or newly muslims and were left with out husband due to their conversion of islam,understande the that when impossible to live womens alone
madari2 3 years ago
its foolish and untrue that Mohammad married to Aisha at age of 6,the reality is Father of Aisha(r.a) abu baker(r.a) was very rich and strong man in the society,how a person like abubaker make her dughter to marry to poor man at this age its illogical, Accoring to my own research the hadees is fabricated the true age of marriage of aisha was 19 at age of marriage i can prove it with evideance if u want i can send u email privately
madari2 3 years ago
Muhammad never waged war against any one, First war was War of Badr, when kuffar of mecca attacked on only 313 muslims defeated 1000 kuffars, and war of Khandak, most of the wars were started and were fought on the grounds of muslims always opposition come to fight on muslims grounds, muslims never went on time of mohammad no muslims went to oppsotion grounds to fight it always stated from otherside and Muslims have always been very less in in number s and streanth
madari2 3 years ago
4) Quran is very clear about the Killings it says Killing an innocent is same as killing whole mankind ur quoted hadees talked about people who discarded muslims religions, the contaxt of this hadees is very clear , at that time there were Many non muslims called Munafiqs those ppl accpted islam just to show the muslims but in reality they were infidels, and they were spying inside muslims and passing on sensitve information to enemy were called for this punishment
madari2 3 years ago
excuse me, muhammad married to aisha at the age of late teenager..
u are not muslim just shut up.go read the hadithh la stupid..
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Read the hadith 'la'? Malaysian idiot.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years.
Good enough la?
nutdemon 2 years ago
but did he wrote there.he slept with her?
he had intercourse?
she just live with him.bitch!!
read properly!!
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Read : "and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old"
Here is the Arabic text :
An Ayeshath AnnaNabiyya Sallallahu alaihi vasallama thazawwajaha vahiya binthu Sitha sineena, va bana biha vahiya binthu ThisI sineen. Qala Hisham : Va unbiethu Annaha kanath Indahu ThisI Sineen.
Literally bana biha means build with her. This is a phrase that is used to denote intimate sexual relations. Marriage requires consummation by sexual intercourse. Read properly 'la', bitch.
nutdemon 2 years ago
In that time it was normal to have a marriage no matther what age,and when they got married Aisha still lived with her parents till she wanted her self to move in with muhammad(saws)
And all those types of things that they did was normal in arabia at that time.
Aliyah777 2 years ago
Yes it was normal. It was also normal to kill kafirs, and murtads.
"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - Muhammad in Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260
It was normal to have more than 4 wives (against Quran). Muhammad had at least 9 :
Bukhari 7:62:142
The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.
You know "these type" of things were normal, yet you still follow him. Disgusting. Wake up.
nutdemon 2 years ago
some of the hadiths was from what Muhammed saws said. and to kill kafir and muslims that goes against islam was probably in a war situation.
and he didnt have sex with all of the at one night.. if i have sex with my husband its non of ur buisness so if muhammed did it with his wifes. its not alowd in islam to have so many wifes..it was a coltural thing. muhammed was just a human like us. ans sry about my english if u were norwegian i could probably explain it better in my language
Aliyah777 2 years ago
Muhammad had at least 11-13 wives. Please read the Sahih Bukhari 7:62:142 i gave above, it shows he had 9 (at the time).
To everyone acquainted with Islamic (syariah) law it is no secret that according to Islam the punishment for a Muslim who turns to kufr / kafir is execution. Death.
This is because Muhammad himself did it. Here:
Sahih Bukhari, volume 9, #57
....according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
nutdemon 2 years ago
im not malaysian idiot..
youre a born loser..
bitchy whore..your mother got uncircumcised pussy and it stinks like hell..
smelly PUSSY!!
YUCKS!!
air pollution!!!
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Hahaha. Is that your best? Cant win an argument, so you curse like the lunatic Allah?
Get lost.
nutdemon 2 years ago
i will never lose..
youre the one who curse the lunatic Allah..
dumbo..only want to insult Muhammad..
youre just jealous because Allah loves him and accept him as the greatest man ever lived..
jealous!!
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Oh i see, you are a Malay Singaporean 'la'.
You already lost when you said Aisha was a teenager when Muhammad fucked her. All Islamic scholars know when it was at age 8 - 9.
Children are not supposed to have sex so early. It affects their psychology. This is why the psychologically damaged Aisha started wars after Muhammad's death.
Imagine this, you are 18 years old and your husband dies. And the Quran bans everyone from marrying you.
nutdemon 2 years ago
so what if i lost?
at least i thanked god that im a human and not a demon.
and so what if the Quran bans me ?
at least people cant stop me from doing religous stuff..
you no dignity asscrack twerp.
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Again, u show ur stupidity:
1. U think Im a demon, because of my name. Typical Muslim who believe everything they read.
2. U thanked God for it
Muhammad was a rapist, and let his men do it. Read:
Quran 24.33: Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.
BTW, it is ur religious duty to kill me. Im murtad.
nutdemon 2 years ago
so?i got ask you if you murtad?thats your problem . i dont give a shit. mind your own business you twerp. go cut help your mum to circumcise her smelly pussy..
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Its your religious duty to kill me. Not killing me is a sin. Thats why i told u, cos i wanna make u a sinner.
Muhammad enjoys having sex with little children who play with their dolls. Aisha is well known to be his favorite.
1. Islam allows sex with prepubescent children who are married
2. Aisha was playing with dolls after she consummated her marriage with Muhammad
3. Under Islams rules, female children were allowed to play with dolls because they had not yet entered puberty.
nutdemon 2 years ago
And by the way, my mum is circumcised. She is Muslim. But Islam will end with my generation. We are free thinkers now.
If god made us perfect, why mutilate ourselves? Fuck off.
No more ridiculous penis and vagina mutilations. No more stupid verses and rubbish from the Quran.
Im sick of stories about our 'hero' Muhammad fucking his child wife as well as 12 other women. Also sick of stories of him killing, assasinating, war mongering, slavery, lying, and penis mutilations.
Enough is enough.
nutdemon 2 years ago 2
HAHA! LOSER! go fuck off first la.
u no balls.
you free thinker !! HAHA!!
get a free thinking life bitch!
MUAHAHAHHA!
burn in hell dickhead!
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
What language are you using? Please learn English.
Singaporean Malays are so brainless. Thanks to Muhammad, we at the west are able to dominate your stupid asses.
nutdemon 2 years ago
sad, but true
haris1254 2 years ago
I bet Muhammad loved playing with Aisha's tits. 8 year old tits.
nutdemon 2 years ago
how did you know? your not god. dumb.
lose alr just admit it . shemale twerp!
LOSER ! YOUR THE BIGGEST LOSER!!!
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Aisha was Muhammads favourite. When he died from eating the poisoned lamb, he died in her lap.
Since Aisha was his wife, im sure he enjoyed having sex with her. Pervert.
And you are a perverted idiot too, since you support this dirty prophet.
nutdemon 2 years ago
lamb your mama shit . i support my prophet , do you have problems with that? so what if im pervert?at least my mum taught me manners NOT TO CONVERT OR MURTAD. LOSE ALR FUCK OFF !
MEKLAFIR 2 years ago
Hehehehe. Anger, scolding me, or supporting that mad man will not reverse facts. You are a fool. And you will die a fool, my dear malay muslim.
nutdemon 2 years ago
malay????now its sounds racist....like i said........fuck your mother...sister..father..n go fuck yourself..hahahahaha..u dont even got the balls to declare ur religion..you pig...maybe you have got alot of fathers thats why u've got no manners...by the way u can fuck them too hahahahaha
72izha 2 years ago
dear nutdemon,u really should learn the truth..learn the religion before you made any comment about it. or else, u will be consider as an ignorant without any knowledge.. Prophet Muhammad saw did not touch siti Aishah until she reach her puberty even if HE married her at tender age.
eiygeramaku 2 years ago
fuck u mother fucker.... than u r the idiot...not respecting one's religion...means not respecting fellow human being...maybe your the pig..im sure u dont even know your fucking religion well enough to insult other religion....go fuck your mother..sister better still..go fuck yourself...
72izha 2 years ago
oh my god this guy's mum is a muslim???dear me what kind of a son does she have?????anyway dont declare something that u dont really knw......pity her....anyway is she alive freethinker?...do u have the balls to show all this stuff u sent? if u do i think she would rather dump u in the toilet........liar.....again fuck u hahahahahaha
72izha 2 years ago
And BTW, your "authentic" hadiths is called "Sahih".
The 2 "authentic hadith are:
- Sahih Muslim
- Sahih Bukhari
Now, check my previous comments. Almost all my qoutes are from the Sahih hadith. The "authentic" ones. Satisfied?
Here is an example of "authentic" verse:
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260
....the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
nutdemon 3 years ago
Sexism in Islam : Unfair treatment towards women. Most of the Surah in the Quran only applies for men, and tends to favor men.
"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. "
(The Prophet Muhammad)
Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541
nutdemon 3 years ago
1. 11-13 wives thats for our benefit teaches us how to behave with our partner
2. cruel in punishment - depends on the sin, people shouldnt give reason for the punishment
3. no proof of him being a pedophile his marriage to aisha was beneficial for muslims, shes one the greatest scholars to ever live,and one of the largest narrators of hadith. all those refrences u mentioned say nothing about them sleeping together
4. no proof of raping!
5. waged war against those who waged war against him
usernamenotvisible 3 years ago
1. Teaches us how to behave? Are you trying to be funny? King Solomon had 60 wives, was he teaching us too?
2. This is how Muhammad punished the 8 'Ukil men : poked hot nails into both eyes, cutting off ALL the hands and feet, and then throw them out into the hot desert, with no water, until the men bit at the rocks. (Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:261)
3. Pedophile : Aisha was 6 when he married her, and she moved in with him at 9. What happens when your new wife stays with you in your house?
nutdemon 3 years ago
4. Raping : Please read these hadith :
Sahih muslim, 2:3371
Sahih Bukhari 3:432
Tabari's History, volume 39, page 194
Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, page 151
5. War waging (Offensive)
Sahih Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13
Sahih Muslim, part I, p. 267
nutdemon 3 years ago
1. if one wife didnt mention something about how he behaved at home with them then another one would. leaves no room for something to be left out.
2. the punishment is pretty bad but you failed to mention what they did. they were being well loked after by the prothet who told go and drink the milk of the camels and Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels.Abu Qilaba: 'They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land'
usernamenotvisible 3 years ago
According to the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition, this is the criteria for a pedophile:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty
nutdemon 3 years ago
Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.
As you can see, Muhammad has dreamed TWICE about Aisha, and UNCOVERED her in his dream. This qualifies criteria A. Then, he married Aisha. Qualifies criteria B.
Muhammad is a pedophile.
nutdemon 3 years ago
La hawla wa lakouwata illah billah.
smungur71 3 years ago
Aisha was known for disobeying Mohammad even in the simplest of tasks. Example, she was told not to ride on a male horse, yet shit did. If you ask why is she not allowed to, go to google images and type in "bestiality"..Also she started a war after Mohammad died, while his other widows kept peace, which they were told to do.
In the Quran, Chapter 109 "The Disbelievers"
"I worship not what you worship,
nor you worship what I worship"
...
"Unto ye be your religion, and I unto my religion."
phosphor112 2 years ago
3. your making the assumption that everyone is the same!!! and he was not a pedophile so making assumptions is really not the same as facts!!!
usernamenotvisible 3 years ago
@nutdemon everything in islam can be undestood from an historical context (Many western scholar agree with idea). the 8 men, commited murder, and they stole from the people. This was capital punishment for murder, just like part of the united state today does the same. PLus, about 150 years ago probably less people in the US and rest of europe married girls around age of 12,And that was not considered strange. and it still goes around the world. Ur looking at it from a modern prespective. peec
thinker6236 1 year ago
@thinker6236 The United States will not poke hot nails into your eyes, leave you to die of thirst in a blistering hot dessert with your arms and legs cut off. Modern perspective came into existence because we all agree on one thing = humanism. This is where almost all religions fail. Holy men are good/kind, but unfortunately they only tend to see the good parts of their religion, and fail to see the ugly parts.
nutdemon 1 year ago 12
@nutdemonr R U SURE the united state will not do that its own people? but it will burn them under something worse[ electricity]. ELECTRIC CHAIR, which is much worse than desert heat... but how about iraq where OVER 2 MILLION INFANTS, OLD PEOPLE,WOMEN AND MEN are BLOWN into peices under there ROOF by bombs/fire . how about GUANTANAMO BAY; waterboarding, slamming detainees into walls, and depriving them of sleep for up to 11 days, dogs attacking, DRUGGING, RELGIOUS PERSECUTION, SEXUAL DEGRADTION.
thinker6236 1 year ago
@thinker6236 The US didn't send young teenage boys into the Iraqi minefields with a copy of the Qur'an as their only protection. The Iranian holy men, the ayatollahs, did that.
IpsaPaphum 1 year ago
@IpsaPaphum are sure! here something, since the war began G.W BUSH has given 1 billion dollar to the chrisitian missionaries who went into iraq (a battle field/ or a minefields as like to think of it) to convert muslims into christians. these missionaries believe they are martyed killed 4 for jesus(pbuh). The so called holy iranian man are nothing but hypocrit, they don't represent the muslim world. And they are so hated even the iranian some iranian people are rebelling agianst them. peace.
thinker6236 1 year ago
@nutdemon
wow i am so surprised that you are so positive about your country. i think you dont read news. US have been keeping people without any judicial trials, denying all "humanism" and human rights, captive for more than decades in camps like you know which one. so pls shut your non sense talks here
JuniAsh73 1 year ago
@JuniAsh73 First of all, the US is not my country nor do I live there. Second, The US gov is "human" enough to keep suspected terrorists captive instead of just killing them like what the Muslims do in the name of Jihad.
Even innocent 16 year old children suddenly show up with bombs in their clothes. Is the freedom of one "suspected terrorist" worth the lives of all the people that he/she can (possibly) kill? Do you have any idea how many random terrorist attacks the US has sustained?
nutdemon 1 year ago 5
@JuniAsh73 Anyway, I was referring to the way Prophet Muhammad treated his captives (the 8 men of 'Ukil). He poke nails into theirs eyes, cut off all their arms and legs, and left them to die in a searing hot desert. See the Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 4:52:261. This is just one example of his cruelty.
nutdemon 1 year ago 5
What even more interesting is that Muslims believe in this information and had it for 1400 years, yet they couldn't contribute it to scientists." They had to wait until some other nation figures it out". HA HA HA
It is funny that, how someone actually sits down and relates the Quran to modern Science, to make believe it was God's sent to Muhammad.
Please, you Muslims out there, do not insult our intelligence.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Also, if you Google scientists on the Quran, you will find out more about these scientists. Who they are, what they do, and how comes they say what they say. You will find that they are highly acclaimed and distinguished men of science. If that doesn't satisfy you I don't know what will.
Marwaaden 3 years ago
Marwaaden:
read my earlier comments posted here regarding validity of these scientists.
A few years ago, the tobacco companies brought in about 20 scientist in a court dispute that "tobacco's don't kill" and 20 doctors scientists and witnesses testified that "yea tobacco does'nt kill".....
We all know the effects of tobacco on long term effects on lungs and being cancerous....
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Einstein's musings about religion
google the entire line above to see the letter, Einstein Letter Dismissing 'Childish' Religion.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
What can I say? Ignorance has brought people down to the gutter. Look up informationon biological findings brother. Think before you post a comment. LOGIC-do not be ignorant.
fatimarafati 3 years ago
I did think it over before i post my comment, my dear sister.
I must regret that this video is not telling you the truth, What great scientist do you see here? who are they? what are their names? Who greater than Albert Einstein??? These guys don't even measure up to Albert Einstein.
And he didn't believe in God's Existence...
need i say more?
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Do you have any sense? They are speaking only of science and the Quran-relating it to biological studies and advanced biological findings. They do speak about how the Quran is too perfected-Muhammad (peace be upon him) could not have come up with these ideas himself. There must be a higher power-1400 years back-that is way too long for people to have seen ahead.Think it through logically.
fatimarafati 3 years ago
I do, and with you Muslims thinking its God's Gift to Muhammad is rediculous.
What makes you think that Muhammad got info from Allah? Maybe he talked to a ghost or an Alien.
Its funny how he found out about human Anatomy and not a cancer cure or something we could have used for the sake of humannity.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
What advanced biological findings? all that is crap.....
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
They are probably some paid scientist, meaning they got paid to say so.
From they way they put it, it is exactly as a clergy puts the idea into peoples minds.
"It must have come from GOD" scientist don't make an assumptions like that.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
These scientists say that the Quran is so precise that it is remarkable. Logic and science go hand in hand. All of these scientists approve that the Quran is 100% accurate scientifically until today. What do you think of that?
fatimarafati 3 years ago 2
And yet these scientists are not half as smart as Einestien, and he even disapproved the Existence of GOD.
What do you think of that???
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
HalvaFalafel: Wasn't it Einstein who said "Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind". Don't believe me, Google this quote and see what you come up with. He wasn't an atheist, he was a Jew. Even though he didn't believe Jews were the "chosen people", as he said, "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups".
Marwaaden 3 years ago
Marwaaden:
Einstein wrote a letter to a colleague before he dies, the letter contained explanation regarding if God existed or not, and he said "NO".
The letter was shown not to long ago, in major websites, and i happen to have an copy of it.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Suit yourself! In my opinion science has come along way since Einstein, my dear friend. So if you make excuses and chose to ignore all the facts and discoveries found in the Holy Qur'an, which was only attained recently might I add, with the advancement of technology and science, well, then, there is absolutely not much I can say to you. It's your call. However remember actions have consequences.
Marwaaden 3 years ago
Also, you keep questioning their creditability. Have you even bothered to look up and see who these men actually are? Let me just tell you about one of them...
Marwaaden 3 years ago
Dr. Keith Moore, "Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."
Marwaaden 3 years ago
cont..."Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud)", he is the authority on embryology. I strongly recommend the latest edition of the latter book as it mentions how accurately the Qur'an describes embryo development. His books on anatomy and on embryology are used at many medical schools as standard instruction books.
Marwaaden 3 years ago
Most of these guys are doctors (and two geologists), not scientists.
They don't have fundamental knowledge of physics and maths. Biology doesn't cut it. Geology is more to chemistry.
These crackpot doctors who study the tiny field of the human body/biology and think they understand the universe and physics. Hahaha. How is that, if you didnt learn physics and maths?
Einstein is miles apart in difference. Dont confuse the word scientist and doctor. Doctors are just mechanics of the human body.
nutdemon 3 years ago
The Yale Medical school uses both his books. Hardly a phony, wouldn't you say?
Marwaaden 3 years ago
einstein said no
because he prlly didnt get time to understand quran since he was a westerner..
792020005 3 years ago
Any scientist which may read the Quran has no doubts whatsoever. It is logically proven by science and too accurate to have been by chance. Mashallah.
fatimarafati 3 years ago
What are you talking about, put your money where your mouth is.!!!!
No scientists have been ever, i mean ever has been able to prove the existence of God nor disapprove of him, let alone Islam and the Quran.
Where do you get your information from? flea-markets? lol
You know what flea-markets are, right?
They provide you with Info and then they flea. hahahahahaa
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Mr. red44ever neck:
First of all we are not discussing nor comparing Islam with Christianity. Our topic is Islam.
Secondly, Christians celebrate Christ's death date rather than his birthday because no one knows the correct birth date of Christ.
If Muhammad was so knowledgeable and in direct contact with God, He could have revealed the Human DNA in the Quran to have a solid proof, if you say it was a step by step of man/Woman anatomy.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Einstine denied the existence of God, who is this guy to say the reality of Quran???
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
how do we know that they were not bribed?
KU106 3 years ago
Alhamdulillah! This is wonderful! All blessings be to Allah!
Lynnphotos84 3 years ago
Well, i investigated that claim and asked several of those scientists per Mail. Two responded: Kröner and Hay. They also explained, what happened at that time.
I suggest you to simply do the same: A short email or phone call will give you better information than a 30-year-old video. You find both scientists with google.
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago
to UnsichtbarerGeist:
1- the video shows about 10 statements about scientific FACTS that were not known 1400 years ago and where this knowledge ould have come from.
2- the supposed article "Strange Bedfellows: Western Scholars Play Key Role in Touting `Science' of the Quran" no scientist said he was "cheated" or "misled" or "bribed". this is the authors opinion.
3- the only TRAP they fell into was giving their unbiased opinion
mirfaan 4 years ago 2
4- if their words were taken out of context, then what was the context?
5- since you communicated directly with only 2 scientists, at least forward us the emails so we can see how they were scientifically mistaken 30 years ago that the scientific knowledge WAS known 1400 years ago
mirfaan 4 years ago
but you and the supposed author are right, if they had known ths video would be posted on youtube for the world to see, they certainly would not have given their personal opinions about the issues...they would have fed us garbage like you enjoy doing
mirfaan 4 years ago
correction, not all of them would have fed us garbage, just the ones you refer to. the rest, according to you, didn't comment and thereby didn't CHANGE their scientific analysis
mirfaan 4 years ago
6- the supposed article is 30 YEARS AFTER THE CONVENTION...why did it take so long? Do you expect anyone to accept the article's OPINION over what was cleary TESTIFIED ON THE VIDEO?
mirfaan 4 years ago
Let me ask you something, (mirfaan).....
Albert Einestien predicted that time travel is possible in 1960's, yet we haven't been able to figure it out how. so if in another 50 or 100 years we discover time travel, is it fair to say that Albert Einestien was in direct contact with God and he is a Prophet/Messenger of God???
How did he know that time travel was possible??
So you see, that how did he know argument isn't a valid argument.You Muslims find another line of Argument...
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Einstein presented a theoretical basis for time travel. He was a scientist and that too one of the greatest. His knowledge on the subject was extensive and he had years of research behind his theories. That is historical fact.
Muhammad (pbuh) didn't know how to read or write. The Qur'an contains a detailed description of embryology: a field that was only possible to study after the invention of powerful microscopes in the 1900s, 1300 years after the Qur'an was revealed. That is historical fact.
dubz1987 3 years ago 2
Could you explain to me how an illiterate with no scientific knowledge about biology (let alone embryology) could come up with:
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth;"
"Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging;"
"Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!"
[Qur'am 23: 12-15]
dubz1987 3 years ago
The bases of creation can be seen in all creatures and all plants, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Even trees are created the same way, you plant a seed, then there is a cloth of wood around it and green leafs and so on.
Your Argument of how did he know is too old and it isn't even your argument, clergy used it for centuries, and if you don't have a common knowledge of the nature, then you don't have an answer for it.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
Let me ask you another question, Mr. dubz1987:
Humankind didn't have a sergion(s) 5000 years ago??? Ancient Greeks and egyption's used to cut out the intestins of Kings to mumify and preserve there body for afterlife.
Thats called Medicine in the old days.
Want me to go on? or do you want to stick with your "How did an illiterate man know theory"?
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
that has nothing to do with mumifieng bastard this is more complex what are you on about. are you jealues that our quran has miracles that ur pagan book hasn't. mr.dubz is talking about how the quran reveals how man is created step by step. it has nothing to do with ur theory of how to preserve a body pagan wake up.
red44ever 3 years ago 2
yeh u investigated and they replied to a lier like you fat chance waste man stop lieng fool no one belives what comes out of your pagan mouth pagan christian. worship your pagan holiday"christmas= Saturnalia and santa = satan, also ever questioned the riding of magical beasts pagan.
red44ever 3 years ago
red44ever:
You should take your power of reasoning to uneducated folks in Arabia and 3rd world common folks where they are not educated enough to know the difference. We live in the 21st century now, People are more educated alot more than you think, so stop bullshitting people. Everyone knows that Santa don't exist, Santa was created to keep children in line and in good behavior.
P.S. Santa was not created by GOD.
halvaFalafel 3 years ago
of course he wasnt created by god pagan i didnt say that. christmas is a pagan holiday if you dont believe pagan than research for your self on google or on youtube ok. funny how your bibles say jesus was born in september but you celeberate it on the 25th of december. the same with halloween and easter and also valatines day. research pagan and open your eyes.
red44ever 3 years ago
mr "UnsichtbarerGeist", if that really is the case then it would be very helpful if you can substantiate your claims with abstracts of your correspondence and the article in the wall street journal.
abbsye7 4 years ago
I investigated the claim, that "western scientists confirm miracles in the quran" some time ago, and wrote emails to several of those scientists. Two - Kröner and Hay responded.
Result: The scientists have been manipulated and cheated and some of them quoted out of context. This was a great cheating in order to fool people in the name of religion.
There was also an article in the wall street journal saying the same.
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago
Really buddy, soo bad na,, Oh i have got some of full videos shown here nothing is out of contaxt, why not u go to thses scientists to say opposite what have they said, they are very very clear in arguments
madari2 4 years ago
Well, i know these videos. But that was not fair play.
Just google "western scientists play key role quran" and you find an article from the wall street journal describing what happened. As i wrote, i got responses from to scientists, which told me exactly the same story.
Don't be fooled by those "miracles". Think yourself!
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago
ahan but Problem is that i knw arabic lanague and can confirm and match it what science says, i am still working on it but till now i have seen that what ever thses scinctist have written in their books is simialr to Quran, i have got some books and searching for some more will reaserhc it more, but still uptill now i have discoverd it like its a miracle
madari2 4 years ago
really... ;-)
pikechris1 4 years ago
This is grasping at straws; but if Muslims are trying to frame the debate about religious belief in scientific and rational terms, that is a positive step, both in the form that their personal belief is taking (towards rationality and away from faith), and in terms of the weakening of their religion, which will eventually allow Muslims, like Christians, to abondon religion completely in the future without persecution. And that is, in the end, the way forward for all humanity.
seathanaich 4 years ago
watch over the youtube :
Jimmy swaggart sex scandal
Televangelist Scandals
have fune and lets kick right to jesus as you love!!
fufuzed 4 years ago
I feel sorry for those who believe in science but never in the One who creates science in the first place.
Best
tamameme 4 years ago
It is sad, yet entirely consistent, that theists today are unaware of the 2000 year battle that Xianity has fought against every type of science - astronomy in the past, and today still especially in medicine (stem cell research, abortion) and biology (evolution). Science does not require 'belief', which is a religious euphamism for 'pretend'.
seathanaich 4 years ago
[25:61] Most blessed is the One who placed constellations in the sky, and placed in it a lamp, and a SHINING MOON.
Sorry Mo, the moon reflects light, not shines or lits.
The actual Arabic text reads,"...feeha siraajan wa qamaran MUNEERAN."
Muneer is an adjective for one object shedding light or being lit.
Muneeran is for more than one. So 1 word is describing 2 distinct & very different objects.
lesterdiamond5 4 years ago
do you think that you are smart or you just fool people who dont speak arabic?????
منيرا MUNEERUN IS an adjective to ONE object ,and it is pronounced like this because of the TANWEEN ....
besides , MUNEER in arabic means a REFLECTION of a light , and the LIGHT in arabic considered to be DHOO ضوء
nhharm 4 years ago
The Sun generates light because it's a gaseous ball. The Moon is not a light. It's a ROCK! And therefore only reflects light.
The 1 word was the wrong 1 chosen to describe to unique celestial objects.
(message from an Arab)
lesterdiamond5 4 years ago
you better study arabic first before you embarace your self , unless you know this but you fool people!
nhharm 4 years ago
Bukhari:V4B55N549 "Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, 'As it relates to your creation, every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for an other forty days, and then a piece of flesh for an other forty days [a four-month gestation isn't even half right]. WHAT ARE THESE SCIENTITS ACCEPTING WAS A GUN POINTED AT THEM ??
gaek007 4 years ago 2
thats a logical fallacy called "argument from authority" look it up, actually, i recommend you look up ALL the logical fallacies because you sure like making them all the time
chimaster123 4 years ago
Yeah, it had also been a fallacy in some pscheis, but the reality is also transparant.
Alexxpeter 4 years ago
The point is these men were scientist not any dumbass and they did their research based on nknowledge and they made a conclusion so it will be accepted from them ,fact is fact it came gfrom the mouth of a person grounded in their field so u are a nobody get over it.
wawabeen 4 years ago
Please read the discription about these scientists, beside this video.
Alexxpeter 4 years ago
truth is bitter, but truth is truth, if you say nonsense or sinsible.
Alexxpeter 4 years ago