Footage from the Mavi Marmara Including Injured Soldiers and Items Found On Board

[geoffshred]

bullshit israel aggressor death to all in israel

[ThalamusMinimus]

The U.N. “found that Israel’s blockade of Hamas-ruled Gaza is LEGAL" ...and that ISR "owes no apology or reparation to Turkey.”

~~THE TELEGRAPH 7-7-11 online~~

also "justified in stopping vessels even OUTSIDE ITS TERRITORIAL WATERS."

So, sorry to shit on the parade of lies from propagandists, & all those who think they know more than they actually know about international law like 7undreissig ("doesnt have a single right to stop...on interntational waters.") :-) Okay I'm not sorry, hahahaha!

[einavush1]

am yisraelll chaiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



[viniczai7]

There were clashes only on a single ship, the rest of the convoy was unharmed. Israel has the right to security and to stop its enemy (Hamas, Hesbollah) from getting its hands on weapons. They only wanted to scour the ship for weapons and not to stop aids reaching Gaza. If some use such actions to supply the Palestine with weaponry than this is no longer a civilian humanitarian action but a shear military one the Israeli have the right to intervene.

[aliselvi]

@viniczai7 --- slings and marbles... vs. guns and military offense forces.. wow, good job on iDeaF part.

[CaptainAmerica322]

@aliselvi

I see you pick and choose from the list of weapons found on board. So, using that tactic, I could say, guns vs paint guns....good job Turkish fuckers. Yeah, like it or not, guns, axes, big metal rods, knives, etc. In the hands of a mob, who attack a man who lands on the deck armed with a paintball gun.

[kdsf12]

This does not take in to account the IDF opening fire on the vessel BEFORE the helicopter arrived.

The IDF came along side of the starboard of the ship and opened fire long before that. THEN these people knew they would be under attack (when the helicopter arrived) and grabbed anything available on the ship that they could swing at somebody.

[magusn27]

Ooh! Shot by catapult!  Poor Evil Zionists!!!! WHAT BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA!

[magusn27]

Ooh! Shot by catapult! Poor Evil Zionists!!!! When you used machine guns, intimidation, then force and killed people on board! Which is the more intimidating weapon? Catapult or Machine Gun??? Who began the provocation of the incident?? Oh yes! The Evil Zionist! Great Propaganda! You have everyone under great control, is that why you fluoridate the water of your own people???

[CaptainAmerica322]

@magusn27

I think that an activist ship sailing through a blockade counts as provocation dumb ass. Watch any footage, you'll see the animals attack the soldiers with big rods, even axes and knives.

[Moreofthesamez]

anti-Gentilism is on the rise!!

[bullkau]

israel coward... act like pirate...attack ship in the international ocean...

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@Laser09100

Don't worry, Muhjahideen. The ship occupants were most definitely trying to kill them. They certainly believed they had that right. If they have the right to kill them, then, of course, they have no right to complain about Israel boarding them since Israel has the right to kill them, too.

[neckozeusa]

Israel is last apartheid state.

[writetobill2]

The Israelis keep arguing that Gaza is part of their country and they have the right to stop maritime traffic in and out of there. These Israeli guys have elastic borders, they just move them around as suits them. See where they built the wall! Through farms and villages outside their territory, without so much as an 'excuse me'. Then shot the locals if they protested. You can't criticise anything they do because they call you anti-semetic.

[dfridman200]

Anyone who comes to us with a sword, even die from it.

We have nowhere else to go, get it.

Throughout history, have not started any military operation without attacking us with missiles once again with tanks.

Gaza has a border with Egypt, but no one wants Egypt to open border is, it will not be called hypocrisy

[yanyanim]

islamic terror must stop... the western world refuses to understand - israel is the wall. when it falls, europe will become 100% muslim. if thats what people in europe want, they are on the right direction... just abandon israel and you will get it.

[tizintishka]

don't be so silly, and don't try to justify the killing of bthe palestinian people and the stealing ofb their homes and lands.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@tizintishka

Amazing but true fact: Israel actually withdrew from Gaza!

Food for thought: why didn't Egypt want Gaza back? Israel tried to give it to them but they refused it. Do Egyptians not care about Palestinians? Hmm. Strange.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@yanyanim

It wouldn't be an inevitability. But, clearly, if fundamentalist Islam thinks it has succeeded in Palestine, it will become bold and turn its crooked sights on the West.

[VMaria9]

why soldiers have to get in the ship? international waters are not israel's water! they can NOT get on board whenever they want! it is piratery

[oftothewoods]

@RudolfsEasyCooking

A) I have no "people" I'm my own person

B) Peace activists don't beat up people with rods and stub them with knives and they sure as hell don't receive 10k for demonstrating

C) "you arte an idiot" - Actually I'm rather smart

D) Hypocrites make me sick, why didn't this "peace activists" went to Gaza through the border with Egypt?!!

[router314]

Yes I agree, we should kill everyone who owns either marbles, a slingshot or a lead pipe. Damn dangerous stuff!!

[elalmendroal]

If there is a blockade by israel, the rest of the world should demand a blockade on Israel...no ships, no flights, nothing! Let them starve and then we´ll see what we´re all made of.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@slippast

No, Sloppast. This is actually true. It was no secret that Germany ghettoized the Jews and rendered them second-class citizens. Nobody knew about the Holocaust until the fall of Germany; true. But, when they did, nations still refused to accept Jewish refugees, many of whom were skilled or educated. This has a lot to do with why Eretz Israel was selected for the refugees.

Institutional antisemitism in Anglo-saxon society remained until the '60's civil rights movement.

[ilshtal]

Long live Israel!!!

[sead]

Listen to ( justjeshb ) ... he is absolutely right!!!.. And the others . shut the fuck up!!

[bobkot37]

good works IDF :)

[cpsagara]

12 hours for publish the first video... suspect.

[oftothewoods]

@RudolfsEasyCooking the whole world?? all I see is a arabs and muslims and they didn't need this "peace" flotila to hate jews.

[MrMember7]

How about you show the some 40 ppl seriously injured because of IDF. And the +9 ppl KILLED. Because they were defending their vessel.

[hatfisc]

@MrMember7 I guess they failed.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@MrMember7

That is silly. They claimed to be peace activists trained in nonviolent methods. They were not defending their vessel. They clearly planned to ambush the soldiers after repeatedly refusing over several days to follow the humanitarian aide protocol the rest of the world follows. They even sent the Western peace activist useful idiots down to the lower decks!

[QuranUltimateMiracle]

wow very lethal weapons!! the israeli commandos where very brave to even dare to get on board!! they where facing terrorists with state of the art weaponry!!

[oftothewoods]

@QuranUltimateMiracle Its getting old all you barin washed muslims do is blame others for your own misfortunes. open your eyes ur a fucking tool m8

[hobgoblinlkjfdsa]

kill the Jews

kill the Jews

[satay242]

seems to these event were staged by both parties as a pre cursor for somethingelse mush more sinister,activists n soldiers were used as "actors" for all to see,y was the main ship of 600ppl the center of attention when the rest were ok?is it to exagerate the EXPECTED israel raid perhaps?does anyone still talk about the hungry GAZA now? palestinain life WILL stay the same n the blockade WILL remain,these event WILL be swept under the carpet of world history? does anyone still remember DUBAI?

[mrsgrout]

Interesting posts of IGNORANCE. go to Demonstrators use violence against Israeli soldiers. The soldiers slide down ropes to the ship, the demonstrators immediatly surround and attack the soldiers.

Considering the hundreds of demonstrators on the ships, the FACT that less than 20 attackers were killed shows the IDF's "Great Restraint".

Also allah is a false nabetayan moon god who can't hear, or see, or speak. and allah's followers are the same.

[YouDamiano]

That solides should shoot that fuc... activists down .They borned stupid and should die as stupid.

[mrmynx]

This is nothing but israeli Propaganda!! Fucking cowards board a ship with the military, then whine about sling-shots and metal poles??

[FoeverDirt]

@mrmynx And knives, and stun grenades, and fire bombs, and they also took a gun from one of the soldiers and began shooting them. Oh and they also threw one overboard. So it would seem there were more then just poles and slingshots. I can't believe how ignorant some of these posts are, saying they were just using poles. And even if that was the case, what reason did they have to attack the soldiers before they were even on board? What kind of distorted view of the world are you people raised on.

[mrmynx]

@FoeverDirt Distorted view?..LOL The soldiers boarded a ship full of civilians trying bring aid to people you fool..the only gun was the one that even you yourself said was taken from a solider.LOL...my god man you have to be absolutely RETARDED to think the people on the boat were the aggressors..Spread your pro-israeli propaganda somewhere else, you ZIONIST MAGGOT!! 

[FoeverDirt]

@mrmynx I'm not pro-israeli or a Zionist, no do I have a clue what that is. I live in the US, so my opinion is probably one the the least bias you are going to get. The boat was told multiple times to turn around and it didn't. Then when the the soldiers attempted to board the shit they were attacked before even getting on deck. So how is it retarded to think the passengers of the boat were the aggressors? Open your eyes.

[mrmynx]

@FoeverDirt Listen to yourself..from the US so probably the least bias..LOL . It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with someone that is as close minded and stupid as yourself. THEY WERE DELIVERING AID. israel told them to turn around?? What right do they have to do that,they stole the country from the Palestinians in the first place!

[hatfisc]

@mrmynx Only Arabs and American liberals are that stupid. I hope they blow everything out of the water that gets in the way. Humanitarian aid???LMAO!!!!

[mrmynx]

@hatfisc I don't think there's anything FUNNY about feeding starving people.

[hatfisc]

@mrmynx I have no sympathy for terrorist states. I hear you giving two shits about these people getting a meal but what about their own leadership? They're used as human sheilds and are victims of propaganda. If there was a genuine effort to feed anybody, they would have cooperated with the searches. This is another game of deception by an uncivilized group of people.

[mrmynx]

@hatfisc See you don't even think of them as people...seems I remember a certain group of individuals ummm yes back in the 30's to 40's that didn't think of jews as people.History is destine to repeat itself when lessons aren't learned

[hatfisc]

@mrmynx These people cannot help themselves!!!!! Isreal has been on the defensive for thousands of years so you're not going to get any sympathy from them. Isreal just wants to be left alone, and if I were any Arab state, I would leave them the hell alone. What do history books or religious text tell us about people who try to destroy these people? Even if you don't believe in a god, you have to admit there is something we dont understand giving them strength.

[mrmynx]

@hatfisc /watch?v=XoBSq9n59nc&playnext_­from=TL&videos=5ze-GFjmexE&fea­ture=sub

[hatfisc]

@FoeverDirt Good eye. This isn't anything new. These terrorists have been sending suicide bombers into Israeli villages as standard operating procedure. Israel always gets accused of being murderers everytime they have to protect themselves. I think Arab nations should now be careful as Israeli-U.S. relations continue to dwindle. If left to defend themselves alone, Israel will lay waste to any and all enemies if the U.S. isn't holding them back

[stanlej240]

nearly as impressive as those weapons of mass destruction eh!

[saguyrabin]

the rest of the world reacts as the media does... the media today is very anti israeli (sell more to arabs) so the world is against us... the few who know the truth stand for israel!!

[evala]

so now... you go to my ship with guns in international waters and try to take over it and i using slingshots and rods try to stop you - YOU KILL ME and CALL IT A SELF DEFENSE?!?

IN-FUC*IN-BELIEVABLE

[redandwhite001]

WTF!! these are fuking poles, and some random stuff found in every home, not weaponry!!

Kill the fuking jews, motherfuckers!!

[nobodyatlocalhost]

watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@RudolfsEasyCooking

When has the IDF "leveled villages to ground, burnt farmers olive trees, evicted families from their homes"? Palestinians left Israel at the advice of neigbouring countries, who promised their homes would be returned once they "drove the Jews into the sea". Hamas does more to frustrate Palestinians' rights than does the IDF.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@RudolfsEasyCooking

Their job, as FG stated, was to "irritate Israel," and they used force. In fact, they initiated the attack on persons, whereas Israel was going to confiscate the ship, just as they have done with FG ships in the past.

On my brainwashing: I used to think as you did. I was also anti-Zionist. Then I began to study this subject in great depth. I came, with great difficulty, to understand Israel's position much better. I honestly see both sides.

[wackedhacker]

@RudolfsEasyCooking When Germany was killing 6 Million Jews nobody was condemning Germany about that either. and besides it's not me against the whole world, it's us against the old time Anti-Semite with a new name called Anti-Israel

[KnastPlanet]

@wackedhacker Are you kidding? Where did you learn history?!? Germany was conquered byt he allied forces, completely enslaved because of the holocaust, and we (i am from germany) are still paying for it to this day. We even gave Israel nuclear submarines. But it's interesting that Israel obviously has not learned anything from the holocaust because now it's their armed soldiers guarding the fence of the giant open air prison called Gaza. Your propaganda makes me sick! Fuck HaMassad! Peace!

[maghrebi28]

@wackedhacker Everytime when Israel commits a crime, people like you use the holocaust to defend those crimes. Please crow up and use real arguments, because more and more people are fed up with Israel and her crimes.

[tizintishka]

when germany was killing the jews the whole world was fighting hitler, the whole world condemned germany, but no one seems to condemn Israel for killing the palestinians and steeling their lands in broad day light

[wackedhacker]

@RudolfsEasyCooking I dont believe there was any trickery on the Israeli side.

And yes Israel has to defend it's citizens from terrorist, try living in a country where for over 10 years people were scared to go on a bus because maybe the bus will explode.

whether Israel leveled villages etc.. has nothing to do with the boats coming to break a blockade to stop weapons etc.. from getting into the hand of Hamas who want to destroy Israel.

[wackedhacker]

@RudolfsEasyCooking

Israel had attempted to take control of the vessels participating in the flotilla by peaceful means and in an orderly fashion in order to enforce the blockade.

Israeli personnel attempting to enforce the blockade were met with violence by the protesters and acted in self defense to fend off such attacks.

Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect, no boats can enter the blockaded area. That includes both civilian and enemy vessels.

[wackedhacker]

@RudolfsEasyCooking

Nobody is comparing marbles and slingshots to live ammunition.

By allowing the ships into Gaza, Israel would have opened a hole for Hamas to get more ammunition etc.. to be used against Israeli citizens.

Whether this was a smart move or not is not important, it was a necessary move.

Israel allows humanitarian aid into Gaza, they told the ships to come to Israel and they would bring whatever they can to Gaza.

[sonruyamm83]

@wackedhacker LIARS-according to int. law israel had no right to check the ship.they throw smoke& blast bombs BEFORE they stepped on board, then they random fired their guns on human aid activists.they are pure civilians who are our close friends and relatives.if they were to carry weapon,it wouldnt be simple stupid metal parts of casual objects.''metal bars.''oh really?soldiers must have scared to death..israel soldiers seen fully equipped like going into battle,defend itself??ar you kidding??

[justjeshb]

omg, a piece of wood! a piece of metal! helicopters and well armoured commandos are no match for that!

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

Now that Israel has released footage, shown on the BBC website, we can see how wood and metal was used on the Israeli commandos before they unleashed the helicopters and firearms.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost Yes, you can hit an armed commando with a piece of wood or metal and it will make him fall down, do it enough and he might stop attacking you. Shoot some one once and they're dead forever. If the commandos didn't want to be hit by people defending themselves from an attack they should have stayed in Israel instead of illegally boarding a ship and instigating a fight.

Everyone knows the fault belongs 100% with Israel, live with it!

[wackedhacker]

@justjeshb and if you hit a armed commando with metal sticks you can kill him also, so if they killed anybody in self defense is not their fault.

[wackedhacker]

@justjeshb Israel has the right to board the ships REMEBER there is a blockade and a State may take action to enforce a blockade. Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law even in international waters.

[justjeshb]

@wackedhacker Under whose authority does Israel run the blockade? Is there, perhaps, a UN resolution telling Israel to end the blockade?

[Trinhan]

@wackedhacker Dude, You are seem very bias and makes excuses for everything that you are rooting for............IDF are WRONG bcuz they were ILLEGALLY Occupying GAZA'a WATERS........... then ILLEGALLY droping commandos on an unarmed ship???? clearly you see who's right or wrong...and then you have civilians beatin the shit out of commandos n r they wrong?......mayb but then again y r u invading their ship?

[maghrebi28]

@wackedhacker First of all the blockade is illegal and Gaza is not Israels land. They dont have any right at all to board those ships. They commited a crime and Israel will pay for her crime. Turks are not Arabes who will forget their death.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

Ah, so by your logic, the boat occupants didn't hit the soldiers with enough wood and metal; and yet you cry foul at Israel's use of force. The ship clearly had no peaceful intent: their stated objective was to "irritate Israel" by defying the blockade with the transport of concrete, and they attacked the soldiers who boarded the ship (legally, under international law, may I add). Israel was right to "shoot in the head" in this circumstance. Israel was directly provoked.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost So if I irritate you to the point that you shoot me then it is my fault? THAT is good logic.

Imagine if Israel had let the ships go to Gaza, then the Gazan's horrible situation would be relieved slightly, no one would have died, Israel's international image would improve, etc. Instead Israel chose again to cast itself as barbarous pirates murdering and kidnapping civilians.

And please tell me which international law gives Israel unilateral right to board any ship it wants?

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost And yes, I do think that the people on the boat should have used more force to protect themselves from the assault and to allow their boats to travel to Gaza to deliver the aid. Of course, they didn't intend to do that and were more than happy to use the Israel boarding as PR fodder, however, the IDF took it too far. Who says that armies are the only ones with the legal right to use force to protect themselves?

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

Recall Israel was guaranteeing delivery of the aid. The building materials would not have been transferred, though. Right? That's why the boat was stopped. Right? Moreover, people died because the boat occupants used violence; no deaths would've taken place had THAT not happened. How do we know? FG boats have been boarded before! As for International Law, there is no chapter/section to cite, but rather the case history of these matters.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost No deaths would have happened if Israel commandos hadn't raided the ships. That is the origin of the problem, not people defending themselves.

The boats were stopped so that Israel could maintain an illegal and internationally condemned blockade. They would do so at any costs in order to further impoverish, anger and frustrate the Palestinians so that they will be instigated to further violently resit Israel's illegal occupation of their land.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

No, the origin of the problem was Hamas firing thousands of rockets into Israel. Remember that? Hamas does that in the name of freeing Palestine, but as they're Islamic Fundamentalists, we know they don't have the interests of Palestinians in mind. They mean to conquer Palestine for Islam.

The blockade is bad, agreed. But concrete in the hands of Hamas is much worse. It doesn't go to homes. It furthers Hamas' stated ambitions for conquering Israel and killing all the Jews.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost Yes, the whole thing started only because Hamas fired rockets, not because of blockades, extra-judicial killings by the IDF, illegal confiscation of water reserves, not to mention the whole illegal occpuation of Palestine. Hamas will never ever be able to conquer Israel or even inflict much damage, that is just a red herring by Israel.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

You repeat the very recognizable rhetoric of the far left. Yes, the whole thing started because Hamas fired rockets. Extrajudicial IDF killings? Which ones? Illegal confiscation of water? Completely false. The whole "illegal occupation" of Palestine? Surely you're referring to all of Israel in its entirety, aren't you? Hamas's ability to destroy Israel a "red herring?" Are you suggesting that if it were not a red-herring, you'd be more sympathetic? (I've got news for you...)

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

THEREFORE, Israel's commandos raided the ships to prevent more concrete bunkers from being built, ultimately to prevent the annihilation of the Jews. Really. It really is the whole story. You might not want to admit this fact about wanting to annihilate Jews, but a cursory glance of the Hamas charter will show you this. ("hiding behind stones and trees")

Don't be naive. They're coming after you next.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost If you think that Hamas and Hezbollah with some rockets and guns can defeat the IDF with billions of dollars in their budget, tanks, attack helicopters, destroyers, jets, etc, etc, then you are quite delusional. You mistake rhetoric to get public support with actual ability.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

How I wish I were delusional. Hamas most definitely can defeat the IDF, but in a concerted effort with other countries. It's not crazy to think that, since the neigboring countries have joined forces to invade israel several times in the past 62 years, they would do it again if Israel were destabilized by Hamas.

Recall from their charter Hamas has vowed to kill all Jews: it is their key mission. Yes, they could destroy Israel completely.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost

No you are delusional. With what other countries? Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas together could do absolutely nothing. None has been able to defeat or even credibly threaten Israel since the Zionists unilaterally declared their independence after a campaign or terror against the British. You really need to get cause and effect worked out! The founding of Israel was provocative, just as the boarding of the boat, the rest is REACTION.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

What, are you kidding? You do know about the War of Independence, the Six-Day War and the Yom Kippur War, do you not? These entities and Egypt have all attacked simultaneously.

Campaign of terror against the British? The founding of Israel was provocative? These are complete lies! Completely unfounded. I thought that, maybe, you were a student, an intellectual. Now I KNOW you're an extremist.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost Yes, and they were all defeated by Israel no problem (of course with US aid), and Israel occupied Sinai, Golan heights, souther Lebanon, West Bank, etc, and started to ILLEGALLY BUILD SETTLEMENTS on some those lands because the Zionists believe it is their holy land and their right. If you don't know about the Night of the Trains and other terrorist acts by the Jewish Resistance movement then please look it up!

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

As for the "rhetoric," yes, there is definitely rhetoric that plays on the Holocaust to build support for a religious interpretation of Zionism and support for militarism. What I'm talking about, though, are none of these things. I'm discussing clear/present dangers and that the Freedom Flotilla's cargo poses one such danger.

It's delusional to think that the Freedom Flotilla was strictly humanitarian: FG takes sides on whether or not Israel has the right to exist as a state.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost I mean the rhetoric that Hamas-like groups use to gather support from the millions who have suffered under illegal occupation for generations. And no one thinks the FF was purely humanitarian, but if the goods had been allowed to pass to Gaza without anyone dying no one would complain. The main threat to Israel is its actions that continually anger people around the world, not some concrete and wooden boards.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

Okay. You're officially a nutbar. "Illegal occupation for generations." You're one of those who thinks the founding of Israel is illegal and that Jews living in Palestine in the 30's were terrorists. You don't have the facts on your side, but you couldn't care less about facts.

You sympathize with the ambition to destroy Israel, don't you?

We're done chatting. Bye.

[justjeshb]

@nobodyatlocalhost

I am sorry, but we are done chatting because you have accused me of wanting to destroy Israel because I am simply recounting the history of the situation, something you completely don't understand. Please get educated before you bother to waste other people's time!

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

You stated that the creation of Israel was itself provocative. You would only think so if it had no moral position; from this I make the accusation. The Night of Trains was but one incident. You exaggerate and conflate, and from that you have your malformed understanding. Your "recounting of history" is merely a recounting of lies, and your belief you're "educated" enough to understand the picture is an absurdity. (I'm almost certainly more educated than you.)

I find you scary.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

And I respond to you only in hopes that others reading have the opportunity to consider the other, less popular side. (For the first time in my life, I am defending Israel. I normally would side with you, as I have been for years active in the far-left).

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@justjeshb

To be clear, FG was aiming to provoke Israel. Of course they were met with force -- they had ample warning of this. So, I agree they stunt they pulled was PR. But I remind you the marbles and crowbars are not good PR; it was the occupants who took matters too far. Israel responded in a measured fashion -- very clearly.

I normally am critical of Israel. Not today.

[sela99junk]

@justjeshb "you can hit armed comando with piece of wood or metal AND BE READY TO BEING KILLED BY YOURS VIOLENCE. This is ISRAEL land, not "turkish" or other joke, DON'T MASS WITH US AND WE WON'T MASS with you!

[hatfisc]

@justjeshb Crack a history book lately? What happens to people who fuck with Israel? Hmmmm? Such a small band of people who have been wondering around that area for 3 mellinia just can't be killed off? What's the problem? They too slippery for you? Are Arabs just that incompetent and incapable of defeating their enemies? Anyone who fucks with Israel usually doesn't live to tell about it. I guess their god can really beat up your god!

[hatfisc]

@justjeshb You make it sound too difficult. Let me simplify it for you. If Israel was willing to allow "humanitarian" efforts, the activists should have played ball. Israel and it's people have been through enough in the last 3000 years to start playing these stupid games of deception. You have to be a real ignoramous to dismiss the facts of the incident. The activists wanted to get cute and....bullet meet brain.

[justjeshb]

@hatfisc Israel is not willing to allow sufficient humanitarian efforts, that is why they have the flotilla and everyone other than Israel and its puppet the USA are against the blockade.

You can see what they did with the goods they stole from the flotilla, take the batteries out of the wheelchairs and don't give building supplies. Israel wants them to live in tents so they get more angry so they want to attack Israel again so that Israel can 'retaliate' and be a victim yet again.

[walla43]

Oh my GOD! Childrens mini-balls and iron rods VS the full might of the Israeli army! The killings obviously was justified....

(and if anyone miss the irony, its reeking with it)

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@walla43

You're right. They're not comparable. When you start beating Israel soldiers with metal rods and stoning them with marbles, after they board your ship after repeated warnings over many days and after you deliberately do it as an act to "irritate Israel", you will be overwhelmed completely and immediately.

[wackedhacker]

@RudolfsEasyCooking slingshots and marbles happen to be considered weaponry and can be deadly(try using a slingshot and marbles on your friends and then tell me it's not weaponry) , which was used against IDF soldiers.

IDF soldiers didn't come on the boat with machine guns, they came in with paint ball guns, and pistols for back up.

and yes they did have reason to board the boat;

there is a blockade and the boat was going to violate that blockade.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@wackedhacker

And, now, the BBC has footage of what actually happened. Israeli soldiers were clearly provoked. Israel was justified completely in its actions.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@RudolfsEasyCooking

... moreover, what happened in Gaza, though excessive and illegal, was done in response to Hamas's regular, ongoing missile attacks.

Do not be fooled. Hamas is not interested in the freedom of Palestinians. It's interested in removing Jews from what they see as the abode of Islam. Their political objective is religious. Also, Christian Palestinians can expect exactly the same treatment Hamas doles out to Jews once they finally destroy Israel and you are all made happy.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@RudolfsEasyCooking

Well, Easy, using sling shots and marbles as weapons makes them weaponry. I agree it's silly, but it's also silly for Free Gaza (FG) to not expect military action when their intention is to "irritate Israel", to repeatedly ignore warnings (over a year, now) about bringing concrete for Hamas bunkers (make no mistake, that's how it's used, however well-intentioned the donors are), and to do so deliberately and publicly despite Israel's clear warnings (see FG's website).

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@nobodyatlocalhost

... and, moreover, what happened in Gaza, though excessive and illegal, was done in response to Hamas's regular, ongoing missile attacks.

Do not be fooled. Hamas is not interested in the freedom of Palestinians. It's interested in removing Jews from what they see as the abode of Islam. Their political objective is religious. Also, Christian Palestinians can expect exactly the same treatment Hamas doles out to Jews once they finally destroy Israel and you are all made happy.

[mogtareb]

How can you prove that these items did not come by the Israeli soldiers during the landing of the helicopter...!

who are killing like that , How can we trust that he will not put like these items to cover his crime?

Who gave them the right to be present in a ship in international waters, armed?

come on, this is not too hard to understand.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

The BBC website's footage of what the ship occupants did to the soldiers answers all these questions in one fell blow.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@mogtareb

So, Israeli soldiers gave guns, knives, marbles and slingshots to the ship occupants, who then proceeded to beat, stab, pelt and throw overboard the soldiers? That's what you want us to believe?

[mogtareb]

@nobodyatlocalhost

I do not want you to believe anything, I want you to be brave to understand the facts and speak the truth

If you are in a international waters then someone armed lands on you, will you Shak his hands? or you will defend your respect, and your country respect? come on be brave, do not try to rig the facts.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@mogtareb

If you are a "peace activist" "trained in nonviolent methods", as have said the Free Gaza Movement people, would you "defend your respect and your country respect [sic]" with carefully prepared weapons? No.

Moreover, the IHH are not Palestinians. They are Islamic fundamentalists from Turkey interested only in propagating their own interpretation of Islam. It's not a matter of defense of country, as you'd want me to believe.

I'm brave, by the way, to maintain my unpopular position.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@mogtareb

A week since you posted this, we have clear video evidence that the Israelis did not plant the weapons.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

It's definitely strange that these nonviolent activists had knives. Even the slingshots and kids' marbles used as weapons are strange. I guess the definition of "nonviolence" means use everything but guns.

[elitept]

@nobodyatlocalhost, what exaclty do you think the sling shots, likely planted by the israeli military, would have done against gunships, helicopters and heavily armed israeli soldiers? 

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@elitept

One week later, we known now that the sling shots, batons and knives did a lot of damage to Israeli soldiers, as we have seen, and that the IHH appear to have duped Free Gaza activists into admitting IHH militancy into the situation. Clearly, the Israelis operated appropriately given the situation.

[elitept]

Standard Zionist Propaganda.

israel had no right boarding in international waters in the middle of the night.

[wackedhacker]

@elitept

International law permits a military to board and inspect ships in international waters when there is a "reasonable suspicion" that the ship may be carrying [i]contraband[/i] destined for territory under an enemies control. The army may use "proportionate and necessary" force in the carrying out of this inspection.

[elitept]

@wackedhacker, israel never uses 'proportionate force'. Thats part of the problem.

[wackedhacker]

@elitept what do you consider proportionate force? to board a boat which is violating the blockade is considered proportionate force, besides had the people on board not started with violence there would have been no casualty's on either side, israel wasn't looking to hurt anybody on the boat, on the other hand the people aboard boats wanted to harm israel and to help israels enemy.

[petersz98]

@wackedhacker

The world is not taking any more of your Zionist bullshit any longer!

An act of piracy is piracy!

[wackedhacker]

@petersz98

What Israel did is not piracy

International law permits a military to board and inspect ships in international waters when there is a "reasonable suspicion" that the ship may be carrying [i]contraband[/i] destined for territory under an enemies control. The army may use "proportionate and necessary" force in the carrying out of this inspection.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@petersz98

It's not an act of piracy to enforce a blockade, and it certainly isn't an act of piracy to defend against attackers stoning soldiers with marbles and beating them with metal rods.

[nobodyatlocalhost]

@elitept

Here's "Standard Zionist Propaganda": the facts speak for themselves. Visit the FG website to see how deliberate they were in their violation of Israel's blockade, to get a sense of how intent they were on "irritating" Israel. Visit the BBC website to see Israel's footage of what the "nonviolent" ship occupants did to the soldiers on boarding, to get a sense of why the soldiers retaliated.

[ilfordnorth]

somalian pirates attacked a us ship in international waters today, killing 19 aid workers. somalia blamed the us aid workers saying they were attacked with knives and sticks. President Obama has expressed regret at the loss of lives.