"Anti-Americanism" - a failure of the imagination

[tripleheshy]

Go back to your morbidly overpopulated open sewer you call India you cunt and live in the 18th century. Pretty amusing coming from an Brahman who lives in the most opressive social structure on earth known as the Caste System. North Korea look appealing by comparison. Half the country is starving and there are literally cows lying in the streets. Idiots, the lot of them.

[AncientSusquehanna]

"The American establishment"? What is she talking about?What establishment?She's using outdated,meaningless hippie jargon.India needs to worry about the poverty of its own public,Muslim terrorism & the epidemic of AIDS that will very soon bring the country to it's knees if it continues to be ignored & denied by the government & public.India shouldn't waste it's time on discussing what the US might be doing wrong.They should be trying to catch up to our standard of living & medical practices.

[starstuff]

What's even more disturbing is the consistency in this Anti-American behavior. In New York when people from other countries try and tell us why they think they're better than us we shut them down immediately. We have zero patience for the insecurities they try to conceal with their verbal rage. The expressions on their faces are priceless when you put them in their place. Pure devastation.

[AncientSusquehanna]

@starstuff living on the East Coast near NY is hellish because NYC & the surrounding areas are completely overrun with uneducated ethnocentrists from the 3rd world.Apparently we have no standards for who is allowed to enter this country.I don't think we do enough to shut those kind of people down here.They are very often applauded & regarded as sages by ignorant East Coasters because anti-Americanism is part of the curriculum in US schools, especially here.It's also pushed by the media.

[tripleheshy]

I would say your caste system makes Indians like you very anti human, so go away you stinky, curry polluted bitch.

[KhyberBoy09]

the fuck is this curry woman talking ?

who posted this shit

[MelWK]

last comment was for dothesprinkler

[Howgooditcanbe]

Anti Anti-Americans!!!!

[dothesprinkler]

we wouldn't have these problems if we just minded our own business. we should just let all of the other countries die, we have our own problems. you people should LOVE us because we are the ONLY reason you aren't speaking german right now, you pieces of shit.

[shurednichso]

"you people should LOVE us because we are the ONLY reason you aren't speaking german right now, "

The SU did win the war allready as the US decided to invade in Western Europe.

And btw, England, France and the US wanted,that Nazi-Germany attacks the SU and kill as many as they can.

So just stop to fucking spread your bitch ass IGNORANT propaganda and read some books from independent autors!

[dothesprinkler]

you bitch ass europeans couldn't have done it yourselves.

[shurednichso]

"you bitch ass europeans couldn't have done it yourselves. "

Well, like i said, the SU ,Britain and the freedomfighters of the conquered countrysdid it ffor them selfes.

But if you are not interested in historical facts, than keep just tallking.

[robotracking]

@dothesprinkler ............. Shut up, read history u dork. We Europeans have been around for 25,000+ years and have survived all wars and invasions and have made the world as it is to day. The printing of words, the technologies we all use to day, we came up with, with some help from China. We created farming, we made TV and invented the phone. Without us, you Americans will still be riding horses and living in shanty towns.

[MelWK]

Oh, please! So, in your vision, the American politicians have always done only good to the rest of the world! Wake up, dummie! Most American politicians are nothing but employees of a few fat oligarchs. And as for "love", love doesn't mean to accept blindly anything the person we love does; that's slaveness, not love.

Some Americans played a role in the rise of fascism in Europe. Do you know print was invented in 1450, don't you? Well, read some books and learn how to think/feel.

[mrbriscoe2001]

The speaker misses the pont;one can always disagree with U.S. policy;but there's more goingon;there's a demonization that's just bizarre when you consider what kind of a world we'd live if the Axis had won WW2;or if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War;a historical amnesia;the U.S. doesn't expect slavish obedience;but Americans being stereotyped as ignorant,fat,culture-less ,violent,people;our motives always being indicted;that's Anti-Americanism and it's suicide for the West and the world.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 We did not single handedly win WWII. I'd say something about the Cold War, but I don't think you'd understand what I'm saying

But all those adjectives are true for the majority of the population. Most of my "fellow countrymen" don't even know very much about their country, much less the rest of the world.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@MaoiMeowi2 America is the fattest country on Earth, and the only culture those walking grapefruit care about are songs about materialism, clichés about love, and other meaningless garbage.

We invade a country twice for oil and you wonder why Americans are perceived as violent? Our motives have been selfish ever since World War Two ended, or can you give me an exception?

[MaoiMeowi2]

@MaoiMeowi2 The egotistic attitude this country's government and people have is why everyone hates us, not because the world's jealous.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Since you started the insult process.I won't feel compelled to pull my punches and just say your posts reflect ignorance and arrogance.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 What insult?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2  what,exactly am I incapable of understanding about the Cold War?

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 That the world would still be primarily Capitalist if the USSR had won.

By the way, how is it that it's OK to call me ignorant and arrogant when I explain my opinions, yet it's unheard of for others to call you ignorant?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 "the world would still be capitalist if the USSR had won';'most people,myself included.would be more concerned about a repressive political system than the economic system if the USSR had won the ColdWar;but their economic system would also have been disastrous ,also;anyway,your premise that the world would still be primarily capitalist isn't verifiable or germane to my point;the "i wouldn't understand " is the perceived insult,so,in my best debating manner:"You were mean first."

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 I meant no insult by it. I was right, too. You perceive the Soviet Union as something like 1984's "2 + 2 = 5 because we say so" society. The reality was much different. If you ask most people who lived in the Soviet Union what they thought of it, they'd say they liked it.

You think the USSR was Communist, then?

It was oppressive under Stalin. As time passed after he died, the leadership was increasingly lenient.

Did I forget to address something? Feels like it...

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 lenient is an extremely relative term ; i guess in the early 90's the soviet union wasn't deliberately starving sections of their population;but the speed with which the system came down,in the Soviet Union,and all over Eastern Europe,suggests the people didn't consider their leadership lenient; i believe in Romania,they promptly shot their 'lenient ' leader....there will always be revisionists missing those" lenient" dictators who kept the trains on time..

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Romania was never part of the USSR. Plus, I wouldn't put it past them to erect a monument dedicated to Hitler (assuming, of course, that they can afford it).

I suppose it is. One would consider McCarthy lenient when compared with Syngman Rhee.

The Soviet Union was poor in its waning days. Regardless of ideology, people would change the system if they're poor and hungry (the same reason the Soviet Union and Republic of China were established).

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Romania was an Eastern Bloc country under the dominance of the USSR;any question of their insistence on control can be historically answered by the reaction to the 1956 Hungary uprising,the East Berlin conflicts of the early 1960"s as well as quelling of reform in czechoslovakia; talk to the Poles who had their meat sent to the USSR,or Hungarians who had their women raped by Soviet soldiers(as told to me by a witness) .You stereotype Americans badly and dictators positively.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 But it wasn't part of the USSR. You said it was. South Korea was never part of the US, even though its politics were heavily influenced by the US.

Before I respond to that about Romanian independent spirit, tell me- you do think of America as the light in a dark world, correct?

I never said dictators are all good. There are Americans who love Capitalism but hated Bush, aren't there? Just because you prefer a system doesn't mean you adore its practitioners.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Who"s the great moral leader after the US in the world?Europe ?they had a genocide as late as the 90's;they wouldn't even enlist their people in the Armed Services with the Soviet Union at their door;they let American White slaves do the dirty work,and then criticize them. China,that represses dissent brutally? India,with it's Caste system?You see China defeat another country and then rebuild it as a competitor,a la germany and Japan?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@mrbriscoe2001 "You think of America as Light in a Dark World"; Yes. I do.So does the rest of the world,when they're not trashing it;who does the world call on when there's genocide,or deliberate mass starvation, ,or some abominable crime being committed against huge numbers of people;it always comes down to :Why doesn't the US do something?Without the Marshall Plan, America's nuclear umbrella ,and it's military umbrella,a free Western Europe wouldn't even exist.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@mrbriscoe2001 "You think of America as Light in a Dark World"; Yes. I do.So does the rest of the world,when they're not trashing it;who does the world call on when there's genocide,or deliberate mass starvation, ,or some abominable crime being committed against huge numbers of people;it always comes down to :Why doesn't the US do something?Without the Marshall Plan, America's nuclear umbrella ,and it's military umbrella,a free Western Europe wouldn't even exist.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Genocide? I seem to remember something about the United States government relocated Native Americans onto reservations and then killing them when they wouldn't do as that government told them to.

When did America by itself stop a mass starvation?

America committed "some abominable crime" when it invaded Iraq for oil. Why don't you ask people whose families were murdered by American servicemen how great they think America is? Women who were raped by others?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Yes.Thre treatment of the American Indians was horrible;but it also happened in the middle of the nineteenth century;ethnic relations in this country are superior to the situation in Europe; America was thecountry that tried to stop mass starvation in Somalia;in these situations,yes,thereare troops from other countries,but usually the overwhelming number of troops are American;the statement that the US invaded Iraq for oil is just a parroted cliche-.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 So because it happened in the past, it's negligible? Even though Hitler caused the deaths of more than 11 million people, it's OK, since it's in the past? Because Stalin (good leader, bad person) killed 30 million or more people *in the past*, that makes it OK?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Because it happened in the past,it's negligible;the treatment of the American Indian) no-but as far as world leadership goes ,there's a big difference between 10 years ago and 150 years ago;asfar as the past goes,nobody expects Putin to act like Stalin or Merckel likeHitler;those governments have been fundamentaly changed,along with the mindsets in those countries;in the same way,nobody expects the American culture to accept genocide by it's representatives ,either. Get Real

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Democracy won't happen in that region without someone in there killing everyone who doesn't want it there. That doesn't sound very democratic, does it? Tell me, when was the last time America successfully spread its democracy? 1945, right? Didn't I tell you we have no business forcing our opinions (in this case, politics) on others?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 "When was the last time America successfully spread it's democracy?1945?Uh,No. The last time the US sucessfuly spread it's democracy was Iraq;close to 90%of the people voted,even though insurgents threatened attacks.Only someone depressingly cynical, would not be moved by thatt.I can't remember ,there were so many "progressives" who said Democracy might not be compatible with the Arab culture;Yeah-only Westerners want to choose their leaders-

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Speaking of spreading Democracy, look at Russia now. During Socialism, everyone was safe (I've heard you about the government, but you don't seem to have heard anything but Capitalist propaganda; ask people who lived there). Now, organized crime controls businesses and government.

Here, we have Rex 84 (if you don't know what it is, Google it). Even without it, are you actually free? Can you, for example, acquire a mobile artillery battery and rain death on anything you please?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Can I buy a mobile artilery battery and rain death on people? No.Freedom is,obviously,balanced byr individual responsibility anfd government's responsibility to the safety of it's citizens.As far as the painful transition for Russia-losing it's social safety net ,having to play catch up to the rest of the capitalist world-the influence of the mob--it's quite sad;maybe the US should have helped more financially,but it was going to be painful;

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Continuing about your freedom, can you bring a loaded weapon into a bank without being confronted (assuming you have it casually in your hands in plain view)? A school?

That was in East Berlin, and someone who lived there said that their life was better then.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 I'm sure that's because of the Cold War, not ideology. Don't you think the US would have done the same thing? It'd be bad for your country's image. The country's citizens would think the other side is better if one of their role models defected.

Must be something like the "little sibling" syndrome, I guess.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 It would be bad for a country's image sic. ( if someone defected) don't you think the US would have done the same thing? Uh,no.They didn't have to;as kennedy said,"We don't need a wall to keep in our people". Which is the exact point. People tried anything to get away from those" lenient "governments.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 "They didn't have to". There are so many things I want to say about that. However, I will try to be nice. I wasn't asking if they NEEDED TO, I was asking if they WOULD IF they needed to.

So you aren't really free, are you?

How does it feel to say that the US does no wrong in the world while ignoring the evidence I've given to the contrary? I've got something else for you to ignore, too. NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999 and killed 1500 noncombatants. The bombings weren't justified.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Wow.Great Point. Because I can't "buy a mobile artillery battery and rain death down on people" I'm not free...secondly:if you read the posts,I NEVER said the US does no wrong.and you haven't stated ANYTHING that could be remotely defined as evidence;it's sad that you're rationalizing the surveillance and control of would be defectors of the Soviet Union;you're arguing a position that's just morally lost ,I don't know the Kosovo bombing that you're referring to;

[mrbriscoe2001]

@mrbriscoe2001 2)The countries of the Eastern Bloc had "governments so lenient that they had to follow their citizens overseas to stop them from defecting..and so lenient the governments fell like dominoes as soon as it was politically possible 3)because the US' history is less than 100% pure,,it has no moral standing to intervene anywhere;I might agree on the 3d;but,unfortunately and frequently,interest groups demand military intervention;and,because of logistics,the majority are US troops.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 The only truly free people in this country are the rich. The only free people in any society are the ones with more power. Whether it's fear or money, people are always going to be more free than others. In ideal Communism, that wouldn't be so, although that won't happen for a while.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Yes I have. You've ignored it. You, however, haven't. 'People wanted to defect! US R WINNAR!' People always want what they don't have. You, for example, want freedom from the government, correct? However, once you'd get that, people would start doing others harm.

They were safe. As bad as it may sound, if the US government more closely monitored domestic environments, those places would have less crime. Either way, people are always going to have some problems.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Of course you don't. Google "NATO bombings of Kosovo". NATO had no reason to bomb the city.

Mass killings and rapes? Like in Iraq and Afghanistan? Vietnam?

Well, I'm sure an actual definition would do a better job than people participating in some undefined term.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 It's quite obvious that you are either unwilling or unable to understand what I'm saying. Therefore, I will leave you with this (even though I don't agree with it): You're right, I'm wrong. Everyone who doesn't agree with democracy and America should be shot (that is, after all, what you're saying). Democracy is the best, as long as people agree with 'Maricuh.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 Re:Kosovo Bombing Can you tell me a war that had no collateral damage? The overwhelming number of non combatant deaths were occurring before NATO got involved;the sad truth is that when Genocide is occurring,most other countries would prefer to do nothing;but eventually,sometimes,the people who want an intervention win out;so if you don't want bombs dropping on your country ,resist the urge to engage in masskillings and rapes.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Is Iraq a stable Democracy on its own (no US support)?

You remind me of my mother. You're always missing the point.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 What difference does it make weather the Iraqi government can survive without US support when defining weather it's a "successful democracy"? The people PARTICIPATED in record numbers;what better definitionof democracy is there? Anyway,germany,japan ,and Western Europe needed American support for DECADES after WW2; That somehow de-legitimizes them-or Iraq;? As far as not following your points1)i'm not free because I can't carry firepower into a bank

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 I don't want a single American dying for a starving Somali,or a Muslim in the Balklands;Europeans are ALWAYS slaughtering each other;but the same people who complain about US intervention criticize iwhen the US doesn't also;there's been criticism of US NONINTERVENTION in Rawanda,Burma,Sudan,North Korea,etc.. it's just a game ...

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 Regarding Fox News, when they were created is irrelevant. They still serve as right-wing propaganda, and therefore, broadcast exaggerations about more liberal aspects of politics.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2" Fox News is propaganda-"all cable news is slanted right now-it used to be there was a bias,but the reporters at least tried ti hide it a little.Those days are gone.It's a circus. Being unbiased is considered woefully naive;

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 ;Before the Iraqi invasion:sanctions,torture of dissidents by the thousands,no representative democracy and no hope of there ever being any;no hope period;;I'm always surprised by people who call themselves "progressive"supporting that status quo.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 As I've said before, your "No individuality or fun, comrade" image of Socialism is false. If you'd ask people about their lives in the Eastern Bloc (naturally, those who lived there, and not those paid to talk badly about it on western propaganda), they'd say that they were more free than Fox News tells you.

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 People in the Eastern Bloc were so free they needed a Wall to keep them in;they were so free when their athletes and entertainers get the chance to travel abroad,they'd be followed by 'handlers 'to make sure they didn't defect;Fox News wasn't around during the Cold War;

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001No nation. I don't think any nation should be a moral leader for others. No matter how great you think the country is, with some thinking., you'd see every country in the modern world is just like the others.

Europe isn't a country. Comparing it to the US would be like comparing Canada to Nevada.

You can't be pulling the race card, can you? Especially since you're talking about white people?

[mrbriscoe2001]

@MaoiMeowi2 I'm saying the West Europeans let the US do the heavy lifting during the Cold War and then would criticize it,even as it protected western Europe from the Soviet Union.

[MaoiMeowi2]

@mrbriscoe2001 As I've said before, no governing body has any business making decisions for other governing bodies. Imperialism is bad, so forcing your morals on others is equally as bad (unless you're a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, you should be able to understand).

[mrbriscoe2001]

@mrbriscoe2001 That being said,America is not 100%altruistic ;it has been arrogant and myopic,particularly in seeing every issue in the world through the prism of the Cold War;there were alignments with terrible people because they were anti-communist;;but,again;comm­unism,overwhelmingly,has gone hand in hand with political repression,so the world is a better place for the West wining the Cold War;Whom would YOU see as a powerful moral leader nation in the world post US ?

[aviomaster]

--- scuddycares ---- I CAN NOT .... USA destroyed SERBIAN economy 1999 BOMBING campaign 10 years of UN economic sanctions . I wish I can be there ... SINCE I do not see future in THIS COUNTRY ... to tell you the truth ... I am making less and less ... MOVE THE HELL OUT ... THAT is what we TOLD ALBANIANS go to ALBANIA if you do not like SERBIA ,THEY did not listen THEY TOOK WEAPONS.

[scuddycares]

and anti senility ron paul.

[aviomaster]

RUSSIA and CHINA should destroy USA ... AND solve terrorism problem ... SINCE USA is largest supporter of TERRORISTS on EARTH ...

[scuddycares]

oh fer shits sake do we have to read your stupidity in every youtube vid?

youre in america.

MOVE THE HELL OUT THEN!

[comradepinko]

I'm pretty sure a major war between the USA, Russia, and China would result in far more loss of life and property than any amount of terrorism.

I'll just assume you were kidding and refrain from considering you a moron.

[silentsoliloquy82]

*shudders* I do not want to even think of such a possibility. That would cause a WWIII.

[mrbriscoe2001]

avionmaster uhmmmm you live in the U.S. you see any irony?;besides,if you think a world dominated by China and Russia would be better,you truly have excrement for brains.

[Serjith]

a good point

[AustinProgramer]

Well said.

[PGAJAMIE411]

Anti-Fascism, Anti-Bush, Anti Fear, Anti-War, Anti-Globalism, Anti-Cheney, Anti-CFR, Anti-IRS, Anti-SPP/NAU/UN, Anti-Stupidity, Anti-head up Butt... WAKE UP AMERICA!

[scuddycares]

and anti senility ron paul