Progressive Glenn Greenwald Vs Socialist Lawrence O'Donnell

[vaweyrr]

Could someone please tell me the political differences between O'Donnell and Greenwald? Aren't they both liberals?

[billaround]

@vaweyrr Greenwald is a principled progressive. O'Donnell is a partisan hack.

[GypsyKing7]

GreenWald and His Coke Brother's Paid Degree, are a Horse's ASS, Odonnel Rules!

[mcg102789]

"People care about jobs, not cable news polls."

Most news stations need to remember that.

[AndrewMann552]

O'Donnell a socialist? What a joke. Greenwald is a master scholar. He recently held an excellent event with Noam Chomsky while O'Donnell spends his time on TV licking Obama's shoes.

[jdbuckner]

Once again CATO/Koch Bro employee Greenwald gets smacked down. I love it.

[BeholdZeus]

@jdbuckner It is rather odd that Greenwald does not mention his former ties to the Cato Institute or to the Koch Brothers. Worst of all, his defense of Citizen's United is disgraceful.

[tneighbors]

O'Donnell sounds like a Fox News anchor when he uses the old technique of trampling what the other guy is trying to say by repeating the same statement over and over.

[MrTmj1991]

"You do not live in a country that thinks what you think!" If only all liberals would come to this realization.

[lifemine667]

That guy with glasses is a prick.

[garytcw]

There labels are lazy way out of solving problems.

"I am a socialist" whatever, who actually go to university and study what the term means on every single issues. policies are to be reviewed and debated on a law by law, act by act manner.

Nobody cares if you are a proud socialist... whatever.

[xjtbarnesx]

Fucking face. <3 GG

[Avidcomp]

A bunch of wankers arguing for systems that waste all our money

[Avidcomp]

There's more money to be earned being a "liberal"...remember that

[answer3a3]

when its anyone versus Glenn Greenwald, Greenwald wins...every time.

[TheArabguy45]

O'Donnell's trying to drive a wedge in the political left of America. Socialism in the United States has a marginal chance of ever occurring in this country, while Social Democracy is entirely viable in our political situation. The political left must unite under a Social Democratic platform influenced by Socialist ideals

[MEpianist]

Glenn is pretty prescient here... claiming that people are actually more interested in "jobs" than exit polls.

[hob976]

This Greenwald guy has a new fan.

[TheAnthonywc]

love it

[JagjeetMann]

o'donnel is a legend, much more respect for him after this, he so right about spineless liberals afraid to call themself socialist and actual support people power, maybe you americans can learn something.

[newjack31622]

O'Donnell is a condescending dick. Greenwald is one of the better people to appear in the MSM. Which is why you don't see much of him.

[tomitstube]

greenwald for the win. i don't get o'donnell some times, he claims to be a lefty but argues for blue dogs? huh? how does that make any sense? it's as greenwald says, just like uygur says, and maddow, and hamsher, etc., if democrats would stop running from winning leftist ideas we'd be building a base that isn't so fractured.

democrats need to go back and listen to kennedy, and truman, and fdr to see how they did it, democrats need to stop retreating and start fighting for a change.

[urbanverificationist]

Both Greenwald and O'Donnell would agree, I think, with Noam Chomsky that in many ways the United States is a failed state.. While it may be interesting to watch them argue over minutia, after all, the media thrives on conflict and they are both very intelligent men with big egos, nonetheless, they share more points of agreement on the important issues than not.

[BeethovenVEVO]

Greenwald is an idiot, especially when it comes to Libya.

[USUncutPhilly]

As a socialist, I just want to say that O'Donnell is totally full of shit. Believing in some forms of the welfare state doesn't make you a socialist, it just makes you a social democrat. Becoming a socialist is a commitment to overthrow capitalism, and O'Donnell has no interest in that.

[AlephNeil]

@USUncutPhilly You're right. O'Donnell basically uses the term "socialism" to mean "vague ideas about having welfare like in every other first world country" + "I hate myself for thinking this and want you to ignore me".

[mangeloz]

actually Socialism is not to the "extreme left" of liberalism, it is just left of liberalism. Anarchism and Communism are extreme left positions. Socialism is a left postion. Progressivism, Modern American Liberalism and Social Democracy are Centre-Left positons.

[polentoni28]

@mangeloz What you said about Anarchism is absolute BS. Anarchists what a government so small that it is basically non existent. So how can you just group them with Communists who want a government that dictates everything in your day to day life except which position you want to bang your girlfriend in?

P.S. I'm a non-Tea Party libertarian.

[AndrewMann552]

@polentoni28 You don't know anything about anarchist theory apparently. Read Bakunin, Kropotkin. Communists such as Rosa Luxemburg also combined anarchist theory into their ideas.

[colacitrusmtn]

O'donnell is an idiot. Greenwald took him to school so he started screaming about some nonsense.  That's cable news for ya: whoever can talk over the next guy is the smartest. After watching this I decided I was thru wasting braincells watching cable news.

[smokestackeroo]

f u lawrence

[ty13rv]

o'donnell's dumb here, obama ran on a platform of completely progressive change.

so ya, a progressive federal gov. is politically viable. (though obama makes it feel less so as he has turned on his progressive platform in waaay too many ways)

[1kkyu]

O'Donnell should learn how to discuss issues rationally. He continually comes across as a bully due to the way that he yells at, speaks over, or tries to ridicule those with whom he has a difference of opinion.

[thirdshift47]

Don't fuck with Glenn;that cat is hands down the wickedest debater alive.

"I'm a Socialist"LMAO!!!

[Chrrowley]

@thirdshift47 He's not a very impressive debater. Christopher Hitchens deserves that title. Glenn wouldn't last five minutes with him.

[thirdshift47]

@Chrrowley

Please.

Chris Hedges has already served up Hitchens.

Hitchens mike take Glenn in something as passe & mundane as which religion is the worse debates.

But Hitchens doesn't even want to step in the room with Glenn on constitutional power politics.

[thirdshift47]

Sorry--

"Hitchens(might)take..."

lol

[derekxnl]

The Blue Dogs lost because they represent a conservative district. Why in the world would a liberal majority oust it's moderate liberal representatives in favor of the far right? That's suicide. No matter how conservative a Democrat is, voters would never choose to replace that Democrat with an even more conservative Republican.

[atheistkyo]

Lawrence O'Donnell rules !

People don't understand what socialism is, any country that takes care of their people are "socialist".

[antimatterXXXIII]

I love it! The flinty Irish Yankee vs the proud strong and brilliant New Yorker. We need these guys, both of them! They are for not only the People, but the abstract idea of LAW and MORAL RIGHT which gives the People, abstractly, their value. Try to find some moronic right-wingers who can fight in the open like this, the way Jefferson and Madison did! No, all you get on Faux News is bimbos and shills.

[funkybjorn11]

Does anyone know how rich is this "socialist" Lawrence O'Donnell? I'll guess he's wealthy, lives among the wealthy, socializes among the wealthy, sends his kids to a school filled with wealthy students. He uses his political views to make himself feel better about being wealthy. A champagne socialist. How comfortable would he feel around working class NASCAR fans?

[suvariboy]

Lawrence O'Donnell is such a windbag!

[tigeremod]

What a petty exchange.

[russianpaul77]

"i;m to the extreme left of you mere liberals." what a clown. glenn greenwald is out there reporting the real news and you have your cushy corporate tv show. stfu.

[russianpaul77]

haha he calls himself a socialist? what a joke. he is another corporatist talking head deceiving people by pretending to be something he's not. a true socialist wouldn't split hairs with greenwald over this nonsense, greenwald has reported more truth to power than this idiot ever will. go glenn!

[sulfurousstench]

glenn greenwald is the man...

[side1981]

Greenwald owns BTW

[qwertypoiu4321]

O'Donnell believes in mass enslavement. The Federal State should not exist, and he wants to expand the evilest entity of the last 5,000 years; which has murdered over 100 million people in JUST the last 100 years.

O'Donnell is a slave-mongering freak.

[amartin7889]

@qwertypoiu4321 Yep, a true socialist realizes the danger of the state. O'Donnell worships the almighty federal government because he wouldn't have a job otherwise.

[qwertypoiu4321]

@amartin7889 Socialism is mass enslavement. The Federal State should not exist, Socialism calls for PURE State domination of everything. It is the worst entity of the last 5,000 years--murdering 100+ million people in JUST the last century--and Socialists wants the State to dominate everything.

Everything should be voluntary. Abolish the State, the exact opposite of Socialism/Fascism/Statism/Slav­ery.

[amartin7889]

@qwertypoiu4321: When I say socialist, I'm talking about the views of Betrand Russell, Noam Chomsky, Orwell, and Bakunin. None of whom advocate what you call a mass murdering society. These are left anarchist. To engage in murderous behavior would violate the non-aggression axiom, something all anarchists believe in. I agree with what you say that everything should be voluntary, which is at the other end of the spectrum. Free-market Anarchy championed by Murray Rothbard is ideal.

[qwertypoiu4321]

@amartin7889 "When I say socialist, I'm talking about the views of Betrand Russell, Noam Chomsky, Orwell, and Bakunin."

I am talking about Marx Socialism/Proudon(Rocker, Chomsky) Anarchism. They promote coercive ownership of the means of production. So did Mao/Stalin/Hitler/Pol Pot/every other Statist of the last 5,000 years. This is opposed to Voluntary ownership of the means of production, such as Spooner-Rothbard Anarchism/Panarchism/Voluntari­sm.

[side1981]

@qwertypoiu4321 Hitler was in bed with corporations. IBM was directly involved with the Holocaust.

[noxidereus]

@qwertypoiu4321 You've got that wrong (too much Fox?) Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. Read a book. The American implementation of capitalism is mass enslavement, and your assumed Libertarian ideals are even worse. Look around. We are a nation of wage-slaves. Corporations are running this country! Only the rich are free. Corporate control of the state can be considered a form of fascism. You are getting your propaganda all mixed up.

[qwertypoiu4321]

@noxidereus Socialism/Slavery is coercive ownership of the means of production vs Voluntarist voluntary sector ownership of the means of production. Socialism is mass enslavement of wage slaves to the State. The rich always control the State, you are a doofus of State corporatism.

[noxidereus]

@qwertypoiu4321 Libertarian propaganda. The evilest entities are the corporations and the libertarians who seek to remove worker's and consumer's rights. The government is US the people. If we weren't a nation of retards we would act like it. The only reason why the government is so corrupt is because ordinary American citizens have no idea what's going on, by design. The rich are in control and Libertarianism seeks to take what little power the common man has and give it all to the rich.

[realrockvince]

Jesus Christ, how is it possible that O'Donnell has his own show?! Even if I was a Democrat, I wouldn't watch his show.

He's such an asshole, always interrupting and shouting down his opponents. Gee, who else does that sound like... oh, I know! O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Hannity!

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[Noah97]

o'donnell is rude, obnoxious... and babbling

[SocialistAmerican]

Lawrence is wrong. Liberals are becoming rarer in the Democratic party, and the Democrats will keep losing if they don't give liberals anybody to vote for. Blue Dogs have been nothing but an obstacle to liberal legislation. Call yourself a liberal, run as a liberal, be proud of being a liberal, and liberals WILL get out and vote you into office.

[MrTmj1991]

This is too good to be true.................

[RachTrinity]

Okay I am sooo saving this clip...this is a Conservatives CLIP DREAM!!

[RachTrinity]

As a Conservative this is pure CANDY!!! ENCORE ENCORE!!!

[jasonroxorz]

i wish the people making comments below weren't calling names...

[halcyon0830]

O'DONNELL IS A LIAR..

Only 20% of USA Voters would ever consider voting for GOP.

theplumline.whorunsgov. com/political-media/the-incred­ible-shrinking-gop-only-one-in­-five-self-identify-as-republi­can

In 2008, Media falsely called Obama "Most Liberal Senator", every day Neocon Media told us Obama was a Very Liberal politician, GOP falsely called him "Socialist" 24/7. Media told us McCain was a War Hero & he was a Moderate GOP. Yet USA voted for Obama by a landslide. USA voters NOT Conservative.

[85silverttopgt]

@halcyon0830

Where did you get your crap data? When the republicans put out a conservative, they win. Close to 60 per cent of the US consider themselves conservative. USA voted for Obama because the media blasted Bush as an idiot and McCain as his twin. Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 and believe me there are millions of people with Obama remorse. He is the last lib who will get elected president.

[noxidereus]

@85silverttopgt Obama was voted in because he pretended to be a change from the past. It's not the media's fault that Bush is a war criminal. Spin it however you please, it does not change that reality.

[tooldruid]

Hilarious how GG keeps calling Lawrence "Larry"...did anyone else pick this up?

[twilite142]

O'Donnell has gotten a little cocky since he got his new show.

[OpenInsanity]

The blue bitch I'm most happy about leaving is Bitch Lincoln. I consider Bitch Lincoln losing her seat as a major get. You don't brag about killing the public option and expect to be reelected. And there will be two more gets in 2012 when we get rid of Ben Nelson and Joe Liebermann. And I can't wait to give that cunt Mary Landrieu the boot.

[justonefirefly1]

joe is dumbshit

[riuselhereje]

i bet you poop your pants if you argue with Lawrence

[macarion]

O'Donnell seems like a huge douche.

[justonefirefly1]

@macarion so are you

[macarion]

@justonefirefly1 Nigger

[justonefirefly1]

@macarion Lakota you lazyasshole - too lazy to work so you stole people and made them slaves. Never could make Lakota slave - ever.

[AndrewMann552]

O'Donnell a socialist? That's pretty laughable, go to Greece and Bolivia and you'll see what real socialist activists are doing to transform their societies, O'Donnell's idea of socialism is sitting on a cushy chair spewing bullshit and then stabbing radicals on the back.

[stevenyou]

Greenwald proves to be practically insightful not just merely idealistic.

[DaHonestAbe]

@stevenyou I couldn't have said it any better. Greenwald is great, and so is your comment.

[floydsr1]

Lawrence O'Donnell needs to be fired. He had nothing of substance to say despite the fact that he yelled the whole time, and he didn't respectfully allow Glenn Greenwald to say a word.

[TenRoc382k9]

we all are Socialist in this country theres no way around it even if your a tea bagger

[AndrewMann552]

@TenRoc382k9 I wish, but sadly, we're far from socialism, there's no workers' control of industry for starters.

[starkweather444]

Lawerence is not a socialist, the teabaggers lost their shit when he said this and he obviously said it to Glenn to stick the knife in a little more. And yes Lawrence is douchebag and a liar. Glenn is totally right, they are blaming this on Liberals like I figured they would.

[maxine2win]

Viva the USSA (United Soviet Socialist America)

[SirWinstonChurchill]

@maxine2win

You live in Australia dumb ass.

[captainpremise]

I think the point Glenn Greenwold was trying to make was that if you present the term "big government" in a polling question, you will get a resounding negative, but, if you present the individual components of a progressive agenda you will get an overwhelming positive.

How such an educated man with such a simple point to make failed to stick it is beyond me.

[Chslosers]

if lawrence thinks going more left is a good idea.. he's in for a surprise , in fact most of O Donnell's predictions have been wrong.

[seamoremonster]

Actually this was good. I like both these guys. I just wished they would have stopped talking over each other. Greenwald makes a very salient point here...many voters adhere to the simplistic bumper sticker slogans like "smaller government" without really understanding what it means.

[Staticnz]

And honestly, what is Lawrence babbling about. I can't really keep track of what supposed point he is making. I mean, Glenn Greenwald is only one thousand percent correct. Lawrence seems to be talking about caving in under pressure. Blue Dogs are only responsible for watering down bills, that the AMERICAN PEOPLE END UP PUNISHING. DUH.

I do think it is cool to see someone have the balls to come out as a socialist on television...Glenn Beck's head just exploded.

[Staticnz]

Lawrence is being a douche in this segment.

[LouieArrighi]

socialists don't ban guns. wtf?

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Hey it's a youtube comments debate with audio & video!