Yeah. Right. It's "class warfare" that multi-millionaires and billionaires put something back in to the pot that allowed them to accumulate that wealth.
Every wealthy person in the US or Europe or any industrialized country got there off the back of a social system of roads and bridges and education and healthcare and science that has its roots in all of us contributing to the greater good.
You want Ron Paul's libertarian dream? Go to Somalia - and buy a gun + lots of bullets before you leave.
@DogCognition Somalia doesn't have a government that protects its citizens' property rights. If you had an iota of knowledge on the subject, you'd know that this is the #1 requirement of a libertarian government. Somalia is literally the opposite of a libertarian dream. Please think before you post.
You think a government is going to protect you against an army of lawyers from a corporation that is dumping poison in your water because it's more profitable than correct disposal?
@DogCognition In a libertarian dream? Yes, absolutely that's what would happen. I said nothing about the real-world applicability of the situation, but in a libertarian DREAM (key word) that's what would happen.
To equate Somalia with Ron Paul's dream is what's dumb and simple-minded.
I don't think Ms. Warren understands thats why individuals and companies pay taxes. So we can create jobs and factories like this. If the company pays their fair share of taxes then they don't "owe" society anything more.
Wow. I think this is quite possibly the stupidist thing I've ever heard come out of Ron Paul. I say we open the gates up and toss him to the wolves. He doesn't need community so let him be alone out there... I wasn't sure if I'd vote for him or not before but to say those things about Warren seals the deal. She is a classy lady and a fighter for the people. One less vote for RP.
I would like to see Elizabeth warren to be Vice President to President Obama next four years and give her eight years to the President the United States because she's a very smart woman and someone look up to.
Elizabeth Warren is nothing but a left wing, rich 1%-er and a big socialist, hypocrite. What a two faced Obama mouthpiece. If she gets elected to Massachusetts as a Senator, Massachuesetts will go from #5 in taxation and growth/unemployment to #3, behind New York and California. Your choice Massachusetts taxpayers.
Your definition easily fits that of a corporation as well. Gov'ts and corporations are not persons, and therefore can't physically handle capital anyway. What they are is a contract under which people live & work. You sign the social contract by living under it, you sign a corporation's contract by working under it. You can always leave either willingly. That's not "forcibly transferring wealth", that's taking the money you owe and using it.
Either you've a serious reading problem or you're intentionally lying. I cannot find ANY instance in which she's said that, Daily Beast or otherwise, at ANY time period. In a Daily Beast interview, published 6 December 2009, she said, "I want to see Congress focus more on a credible system for liquidating the banks that are considered too big to fail".
Jeez, he's absolutely wrong on this..she never said no one is never responsible for his own success. She said no one is 100% responsible for his own success and if you don't recognize that, truth then you're really out of touch with reality. I, for example, do not have children, but I happily pay my taxes to support my local school system because I need to hire literate, numerate people to contribute to my wider success. I don't understand how that message can be obfuscated by people!
@Frizinho You just proved Ron Paul's point. You imply that the only way for people to be educated is for it to be paid for my public funds. But that's not true. There were/are private schools, homeschooling, and competition in schooling. The public school system is a disaster. The quality goes down year after year, even though they spend more and more money on it. Cost goes up, quality goes down, and instead of most people getting a great education, everyone gets a lousy one.
So the men and women who paved your roads, built your houses, built your skyscrapers, tend to your electricity, your piping, your gardening, your meals, and the men and women who make sure those buildings don't burn down or fall victim to burglars all attended private schooling and you don't owe them shit, right?
@SgtSanchez First of all, I'm lower middle-class. No one "tends" to me for anything. Nobody is "owed" a free education, if that's what you're implying. No one is owed or entitled to a good or service that someone else has to pay for. That's immoral and it's also unconstitutional. Entitlements are not rights. Just because a government uses force and a gun to take money from you to build a highway, that incidentally you can use, it's only because you have no other choices.
@sperrico87 So you've never hired a plumber or an electrician, you get all your water from a well, you built your own house and every building you've ever entered for this reason or that, you're connected to the internet through some magical boot-strap-powered force, etc.? Because, and I don't mean to burst your bubble, but a majority of people don't go to private schools, and as a result, they are responsible for the majority of things you take advantage of every day.
@sperrico87 I wasn't even implying that people are "owed" a free education in that post, just that you owe the people who built your roads and your cars and your hospitals and so on.
And you know what? Education SHOULD be a right. How do you lessen inequality? How do you raise mobility? How do you diversify the economy? How do you, in pretty much every sense of the word, become a prosperous NATION? Top-tier, spare-no-expenses education.
@SgtSanchez Spare-no-expense education is what we are doing right now. It is proving that money is not the key factor in education. The US spends more per child than any other nation. Money does not seem to be the answer. Also, why would I owe someone who built a highway I use when the person was payed for their work? I have serious doubts on this 'social obligation' theory.
@Justheory Spare-no-expense != throw money at a programme and hope it works. You spend what is needed where it is needed to create the most efficient system for everyone. The U.S. educational system lags so far behind other western countries. Our only saving grace are the exclusive and expensive universities and the genius grant.
People use all sorts of infrastructure built by people who, with the wage paid building those things, could not afford private schools or other amenities.
There are two sides to every coin, and all the taxpayers who built the country on their backs would not have done so at all if there had been no jobs for them to go to. Isn't it great when you can work to build a business and be successful but then again if you do then you are really the main problem. So her exact argument could be reversed and restated just as emphatically. I support Ron Paul once again; this does sound like the standard one-sided ruse used to keep the sheeple confused.
Of course, Warren is right but perhaps not in the way that she meant. She is right that the American government and American society have provided an environment favorable for commerce and protection of wealth and property. But even further Warren is right in that GOD provided the resources that were developed and utilized by entrepreneurs. Did ANY capitalist put the oil in the ground to be recovered, make the sun shine to grow crops or give man breathe so he can labor? NO, NOT ONE.Hubris=evil.
@escapetooz13, I am well aware of what taxes are. Did the rich factory owner not contribute to the roads as well? He uses a trucking company that purchases tons of gas. The gas tax is the main contributor to road construction and maintenance. Did his property taxes not go to build and fund schools already? Hell he probably pays for private security in addition to the police protection everybody else gets. Seems to me he's already paid more than his fair share. We just want MORE of it.
@benallen12 You think they all give their fair share? Perhaps some do but some can find all sorts of tax breaks and loopholes because they can afford the lawyers to help them do it. In any case that isn't the point. It's not about being greedy, its about giving back to the community that sustains you.
@DaveBassDotCom, Haven't even watched the video yet, but I can still respond to you. Steve Jobs PAID his employees to help him build his vision. Through voluntary exchange. She wants to use the government to take things from some and give them to others. And the super wealthy bankers are some of the biggest offenders of this mentality. All he wants is for people to have the opportunity to deal with one another freely without the threat of force from a sprawling central government.
@benallen12 The government already take money and put it to use elsewhere, it's called taxes. Trying to paint her ideas as radical is silly. Steve Jobs paid his employees, sure, but obviously since you haven't watched the video the missed the point about how it's not just employees. It's the infrastructure necessary, the police for protection, the public schools that educated his employees in the first place. No one person is in a vacuum of success and well-being.
@benallen12 Steve Jobs would be nobody had he grown up in a rural village in Africa. C'est la vie. Don't whine about contributing back to the people that enabled your success.
@EscapeToOz13 Steve Jobs would probaly have invented a better farming system. You fail to realize great individual people have improved our life today by acting on their own self-interest. Without Edison or Tesla we would not have electricity. Imagine what they could create in today's world. Socialism is a disease that I wish you didn't spread on other people. I don't rely on the governemnt to protect me and help me out; I rely on myself first and then my family.
@myboycoltmccoy He didn't, so what's your point? Let's focus on the reality instead of hypothetical virtues that Steve Jobs clearly didn't have. I don't fail to realize at all. I'm ALL for people helping the world and helps themselves. Best of both worlds. Proposing to give back to the community is not the same as socialism. Don't take her arguments and hyperbolize them inaccurately. If you think you don't rely on the govt, you're mistaken. Her point is: no man is an island.
@EscapeToOz13 My point was that steve jobs in today's world created the Apple company. If he were in Africa he would have created something else that was beneficial to the world around him. Creativity and innovation help culture. This collectivist type of thinking shuns people who have made it successfully because of their individual talents. Steve Jobs did give back, by giving us a product everybody finds useful. u r right about man being interconnected though, i'm not arguing that point.
@myboycoltmccoy PS read Outliers if you want to know a thing or 2 about circumstance and chance vs. a person's individual virtues. There are probably hundreds of people that could have been Steve Jobs as far as intelligence and creativity go. But his location, opportunities, luck, network of people, etc, all conspired to help him be successful. Individual virtues are only a small part.
@EscapeToOz13 While I read Outliers (which I have) you can read Atlas Shrugged. I liked Outliers but I think you have to choose which side is more likely to help people and culture. I don't think regulations and spreading the wealth really does help America. I voted for Obama four years ago but not this next election. I thought he was going to stop the wars and balance the budget. All he has done is create more government jobs and "stimulate" fake money so we don't feel the rash of our economy.
Come on, Ron - Steve Jobs was NOTORIOUS for having other people build his visions for him. The truth is NO ONE does anything of substance without a TEAM. Ron Paul doesn't, Steve Jobs doesn't - even the super wealthy banking families are sucking us dry don't - they conspire amongst themselves, too. Try manufacturing or creating ANYTHING of substance ALONE - good luck! There is a team behind everyone of success.
The funny thing here is Paul criticizes her - but offers no counter ideas!
@DaveBassDotCom There is a team that creates all of these products. It's called free market or laissez faire capitalism. Humans are interconnected with everyone else and we do have to rely on roads and being fed and shit. However, that doesn't mean government has to feed us or cloth us it just means that other people working for their own best interest will make products that we buy. America was the strongest becuase of their laissez faire capitalism, now it's losing ground becoming socialist.
@myboycoltmccoy - Socialism does not provide ALL the goods and services needed by a society - only those deemed integral. America has been socialist for a century - early education, post office, farm subsidies, energy subsidies. The people bitching about health care are those making a killing at overcharging goods and services in a monopolized system - NOT "free" enterprise by any means. I believe in truly "free" enterprise - what is killing us is corporatism, not socialism.
If I make millions of dollars through my own business, I am creating jobs for people. I'm already paying them because they have earned that money. If I am to give my own personal money to someone who has done absolutely nothing to earn it, then I would rather give money via charity to people who actually need it rather than government take it away forcefully and use it to pay for unconstitutional wars, welfare programs or the education of kids who don't even want to learn.
Ron Paul does not understand Socialism, to him any form of Socialism is totalitarian, Ron Paul is a very ignorant person, I hop someone like Warren becomes President, Obama is a Moderate Right Winger, he's not a Progressive we need a real Progressive in office like her or Nader or Kucinich.
@sweetsilnce We already have a form of Democratic Socialism, Public Education, roads, libraries our Military etc are examples of Democratic Socialism whether or not you like it buddy, DEAL WITH IT. :)
@777Atheist Public Education = sucky, Roads = average (state controlled or toll roads are better), Libraries = Wow a good socialism idea for once, except this can be run by local governments which is not what Ron Paul is against, Military = The biggest f'n waste of money and has run the country into the ground for the last 20 years. O I forgot though you always have to "support the troops" you might as well say "support the trillion dollar deficit" or "support killing 1,000,000 Iraqians".
@777Atheist What's funny is that Kucinich has mentioned before that he would consider being Ron Paul's VP. Dennis Kucinich is not a Socialist. He's actually a free market guy he just wants a little too much consumer protection agencies.
Speak against the dominion of the oppressive progressive movement and all of a sudden, you're a "dictator," either way, points for Elizabeth Warren. Progressives seem to love Ron Paul and they've clearly adopted him as their candidate for President. Progressivism in the states today has never been about (although, takes a lot of credit for) social systems to help the poor, or the average citizen, it's just a louder, (more Global) alternative looking version of the status quo. (f*cking hipsters)
Elizabeth Warren is the child of janitor, not a "limousine liberal." I'm a supporter of Ron Paul, but she's good. Who's going to speak for the community?! We're not anarchists--we have legislators we elect as representatives to discuss issues and speak for the community! The community decides things like law enforcement and road building etc. Doing those things costs money, and we pay for it in our taxes. Warren has spoken out against the Bush medicare plan which she said was a giveaway
@givebirthathome She makes sense on a local scale but definitely not on a federal scale. I would love to have her run PTA conferences just not America.
@69Desk It's clear that you pulled that either out of your ass or some other ignoramus's. Her father was a janitor who died when she was a child and her mother answered phones. I think that puts them somewhere in the upper lower class.
@quidproquo2004 ... You stupid idiot plenty of people in America had parents that had low level jobs and worked themselves up the ladder... Whatever, she's a hypocrite, she supports the 99% but is the one percent... She's worth over 15 million dollars and lives in a house worth over 5 million ... Limousine Liberal Phony
@69Desk No shit Sherlock. My point is that she has perspective, something that eludes you. She stands behind her word despite the fact that it means she will have to pay more. Which means she's not a "limousine liberal". Which means you're remarks were disingenuous.
@quidproquo2004 What perspective does she have other then following the stereotypical political map of a limousine liberal so she can get Elected! in Massachuttes, much like the other phonies, like the Kennedys and Kerry. I'm working class, SHE is disingenuous (she's running for office, not me, DUH!) and you are a gullible fool buying into her guilt-ridden liberal garbage trip.
Isn't it interesting that rather than addressing what Warren actually said, the only thing Ron Paul can do is strawman her argument ("to say that nobody is responsible for their success..."), falsely attack her character ("she knows nothing about the market"; she is a "demagogue" advocating "dictatorship"), and say that her ideas are the product of stupidity ("a reflection of the education system"). The idiot here - the real rambling demagogue - is Paul, not Warren.
@byroniczero "She doesn't understand the marketplace" HAHA Elizabeth Warren understands it much better than Paul just by her statement and his. You took your products to market on the roads we built. Ron Paul -> Those products magically appeared in consumers hands. LOL
"I don't think you can satisfy that statement with Steve Jobs." HAHA He had his parents pay for his college and went to a PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL.
Not to mention: "returning Coke bottles for food money during college". CA state...
Elizabeth Warren is spot-on. I agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy and I do like how he, like warren, speaks clearly and obviously stands by his convictions. But on domestic issues, he's nuts. Less nutty than the other republican nominees, but nuts nontheless
ive read about karl marx. he said we in the US have the ability to peacefully build a democratically successful social network that really benefits the people. ohhhhhhhhhhhh, now that is scary. you are an idiot by demonizing marx. the rest of you, look up karl marx on the wiki, its very eye opening.
@thevoiceofreason Liberty benefits all people not just the rich. The govt handing out money to certain markets they prefer solely benefits the rich for this always increases prices and lobbyists line up to pay the govt to put money into their market. Although it is well intended, having the govt divide the MONEY and print the money when they don't have any to divide causes the free market, which always reduces prices, to have booms and busts. printing money also causes inflation which discou
So is this Ron Paul's argument for everything with Free Market? "Absolute Free Market is right, anyone who disagrees is wrong because he/she's a communist or fascist" You know, I could not think of anything more demagogic then this. He appears to want everybody to be freer, but in reality it will only make the rich people freer than anyone else. He's exactly what is wrong with America right now.
@tehatemachine I am just summarizing his overall argument. He clearly points out this is class warfare, he clearly accuses Warren for being part of a movement to introduce fascism into America. You are clearly accusing my moral character rather than creating a legitimate argument on why I am wrong about Ron Paul being a demagogue. What gives you and Ron Paul the moral high ground then? Who's deceiving then?
@TheVoiceOfReason93 Look at Pauls history in politics. The man has been consistent for over THIRTY YEARS. Many of his ideas where based off of Miltons, Miltons ideas that where practiced by Reagan and Clinton where SUPER effective in countering inflation and generating a surplus.
@tehatemachine Until of course, the recessions caused by both Savings and loans and the bank failures resulting from deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. Ron Paul's consistent...but he's consistently wrong.
@pan488 The rich will only get tax cuts if they intervene and ask for government help somehow. It amases me because all of you are mass produce with the same mythological opinions that came from one of your friends. If people listened to the economists. There wouldn't of been as long of a recession as we now have. You look everywhere throughout history. Recessions where far shorter when government didn't intervene The market is a very sophisticated machine and should not be tampered with
@pan488 If you really think warren is right on this issue. Then god help you, Because you REALLY cannot see evidence from what is right infront of you. There was a place called the USSR that preached the same ideas as warren preached.
Mr. Paul was somone I once respected, if for no other reason than his honesty. Until I started reading his old news letters, ones he says he did not write (but which he sponsored and which he sent out). The racist remarks in those news letters have never been renounced or denounced than Mr. Paul. Five years and he didn't know? please. As for his calling warren a socialist is an IDIOT and has no idea of what socialism is. This man lives in an alternate reality.
@wotmot223 ... Those newsletters you speak of were written by James B Powell. Now I'd ask you to move on to the next failure of Ron Paul...But there aren't any. So please...just go away.
She makes a valid point, and the best argument for the flat tax. every one, rich, or poor, should pay the same percentage with no exceptions. We all receive equal rights under the law, and equal services.
Fuck you Ron Paul. Your idea of free market is bat shit insane. There is no such thing as free market in reality, there is only Capitalism and Capitalism is the sole reason for everything that is wrong in the US right now. America is totally fucked up, people simply has no choice. It's either Obama the corporate robot or the insane Republican clowns on the other hand. Woody Guthrie is crying on his grave right now.
I wrote Free Market not Markets, you twat. I hate it when people like you label themselves as Libertarian when the real Libertarian is the Socialist Libertarian of Europe, not some dumbfuck perverted version called American Libertarianism..
@kazearaki ...I see what kind of person you are...."twat", "hate", "dumbfuck". Using language like that makes it very clear you are an aggressive, narrow minded person.
@kazearaki ..."Socialist Libertarian"..??? I'm afraid you have a severe case of "Bushitis". It's a rare disease were one starts randomly making up words and believing they always existed.
@kazearaki ..."what happens in America is the very result of Capitalism"..?? It sounds like you've been pooped on by some nasty employer, I've had that happen before, or maybe you lost your job recently. All I can do is feel empathy....if that is what happened to you. All of my last three employers were stealing money out of my paycheck. I'm on my own now with a tiny online business. It's actually working out OK. I just have to work hard....which reminds me...I've got things to do....
Yeah, anyone who oppose Capitalism must have lost their jobs, splendid inbred logic there. And the fact that you have never heard of Socialist Libertarian just make it even more worst. I bet you'll turn batshit insane if someone else mentioned Libertarian Communism. But it's okay, fucktard redneck like you knows very little of history to begin with. Dream on in your Capitalist wet dream but when the system collapse, expect a socialist revolution to arise. Farewell twat.
Ron Paul is insane right along with the people making posts on this video, the whole idea of society is that we are social and we help each other to make our society stronger and then you get a greedy few to say "No, we don't want to be part of your society" but they didn't mind using our society to benefit themselves it's just that they don't want society to benefit anyone else. That is the point of what Elizabeth Warren was saying.
@Dahgrostabphri ....You obviously have never studied history. All I can say is this...Remember this day. Because if Ron Paul is not elected president, and if people like E. Warren get into our government, you can kiss ALL of your freedoms goodbye as well as this once great country. Just like Rome, were doomed.
@GuyFawkes40 Excuse me? Warren is talking about regulations and laws which restrict the use of other peoples money in gambles (savings and loans of the 1980's, Enron, and the latest bank bailouts). Regulation is NOT socialism, and Warren advocates an open market which requires disclosure and and clearly written contracts. Paul lives in a world which never existed of Austrian economists who's ideas have never been tried. He would be a disaster. As for history, to what historicaly do you refer?
@wotmot223 .... In the real world, one must be careful were they step...otherwise you'll step in a hole and hurt yourself. Now in this wonderful Socialist world you dream about, you have to pay a massive government 75% of what you earn so they can support a bureaucracy that tells you where to step and what to eat. In the real world, people have to pay attention where they invest their money. IF there is a government constantly telling you what to do, you will never learn to be careful
@GuyFawkes40 hey, guy, I never said I wanted a socialist world, lo. Your doing what in an educated society would be called arguing a strawman. As for Mr. Pauls news letter. It bore his name, at the time it was published it was presented as HIS views. If someone else wrote it that leaves us with the conclusion that Mr. Paul is so inept that for years he never read a news letter presented by him as supportin his ideas. Nor has he ever repudiated the racist remarks made in them.
@GuyFawkes40 Ok, having read this post I will no longer respond to you. Lol, trying to teach a frog to sing will simply end in failure. Nobody in this nation pays 75% of their income in taxes. And this idea that I was talking about regulation when a person only invests their own money is so obviously wrong I take it you don't understand the written language ( I spoke of investing others money). Good night, sleep tight, and do be blissfull.
@Dahgrostabphri .... You do not understand humanity. That is why you fail. I started y won business because I was tired of being pooped on by terrible employers. I CREATE JOBS.....I CREATE WEALTH, for myself and for others. Nothing is free in this world. Ice Cream and Aspirin don't grow on trees. You have to WORK. But in your lazy world the government does everything for you. Don't you understand...You Are SPOILED ROTTEN.
@GuyFawkes40 you're little more than a shallow judgmental prick who doesn't know whit about what you are talking about, I'm not lazy or spoiled, I live a simple life and I work everyday and even have more than 1 job, and I don't take a single thing from the government in way of any kind of welfare at all, also I have no credit debt because I live within my means. / you are a selfish prick who should be ashamed of the crap you post, but your probably too shallow to know what shame is
@GuyFawkes40 as for Mr. Pauls other faillings? That depends on who one is. A complete lack of regulation (what do you think brought on the 1929 depresion, or the more recent bank bailouts)... he opposes all or any such regulation. Opposes any government services other than the military (contrary to article one section eight of the constiution). I would take you tad more seriously if you didn't throw out so many red herrings and do so much straw man arguments.
Elizabeth Warren is extremely divisive in this speech. She keeps saying "you" and "the rest of us". She's a dangerous Progressive, and I hope she loses her bid for the Senate.
State Capitalism is the only mature and rational economic system for a modern, progressive people. There has to be a working, healthy relationship between private industry and government oversight. That balance is what we find so difficult, but we must keep it intact. Mr. Paul's laissez-faire style of capitalism does not work: their first successes in deregulating the banks in 1980, right up to the gutting of the SEC and CFTC are responsible for the economic mess we find ourselves.
@agoraemily ... There is one simple word that describes the reason we are in this mess...FASCISM.! Fascism is the alignment of State and Industry for the sole purpose of enriching industry at the expense of the citizens.
@artmv11 If I were the greedy type I dont think that I should be able to fuck over and end the middle class to make tons of money and buy tons of gold and have so much money that I could give 50,000,000 thats million people a very good life. but if thats the way all the rest of the republicans want it then I will keep making money and hording it while 90% of the u.s.a fades away in the next ten years. GOT IT?????
@lifelovemusic2009 Well, okay then. I see you are virtuous and generous, but that spirit of generosity comes from within you, the government did not instill that in you. I respect what you're saying (btw I am not a Republican), but I see leftists AND right wingers try to defer way too much on government to advance their platforms. The left wants to spread the wealth ,and the right wants social assimilation. You seem angry btw. I respect your view, and am by no means trying to antagonize.
@lifelovemusic2009 The whole idea of making money and being wealthy is completely distorted, the liberals are always telling people that anyone who has become successful and has made lots of money have done it on the backs of others. This is a bunch of BS!!
@artmv11 I have the right to keep what i have made. yes but I have way to much I could buy walmart and pay people $20 an hour to work and to have inssurence and a retirement but the problem is the ones that do own it dont want to do whats right for the people they want to keep it all for thereselves.
@Truth77Absolute "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers ..."
Hmm ... you may call yourself a "Christian", but I have no doubt that if you had lived in those times, your reaction to the above would have been "Jesus Christ = angry liberal".
trickel down economics do not work which is what ron "the hitman" paul would like to re implement. reagan is the one who started this mess and the bush kooks kept the mess a tricklin down hill. trickle down is not the way to go, it says right in the statement...trickel DOWN! why would you want to go DOWN with anything?
ron paul is the worst candidate to date. he is this fake flip-flopping loser ass old man (remember the last *old man* GOP candidate we had..ya kno the one obama beat) from texas who can only whine and complain and flip flop on every single issue. and it is sad bc he seems to be atracting dome of the liberal base bc most liberals are two dumb to see that this guy is just another relegious kook who wants to inforce his religion on the rest of the US! read the facts ppl!
@Original1001BG uuhh dumbass obama ENDED the war in iraq..what makes you think he loves war? and nice job going after small spelling mistakes instead of arguing the context of what i said. they call that ad hominem which is what you idiotic racist ron "the hitman" paul supporters thrive off of. ron paul is way worse than any candidate. forget the house nigger uncle tom sellout herman "the merman" cain & 999..ron paul wants to impliment a FAIR TAX which will impoverish millions of americans ! !
@propagandadrunken And then he built up forces in Kuwait, expanded Afghanistan, and bombed Libya. More troops worldwide, including over 2,000 in Australia and a special force to Uganda. Funny how you left that out. Paul may not be perfect, but he sure is a hell of a lot better than Obama or the other neocon GOPers. Paul has never flip flopped either. You just pulled that imaginary shit out of your ass.
@Original1001BG look at your avatar of michael "the WEINER" savage...yep that is all i need to see to see that your just another reich-wing conservatard kool aide drinker. nice try but i will not dumb myself down just to get another conversion under my belt.
@Original1001BG what argument? there never was one or are you confused? you have said nothing worth rebuttaling bc all you say are idiotic lies that are spoon fed to you by people like sean hannity and micheal *the savage* weiner. ron paul is the biggest fraud in american history and also the biggest racist, worse then the sellout uncle tom herman *the merman* cain. he flip flops worse than my shoes & he has never been concistant on anything. he is for abortion and he is against it. what a loon
@propagandadrunken I gave you a lot of reasons as to why Obama is a neocon and not a peace president. You ignored that because it didn't help your argument one bit. So what did you do? You called me a "reich-wing conservatard" because you didn't have all of your talking points in order. I never listen to Hannity and I don't listen to Savage that much anymore either. Paul has ALWAYS been pro-life. Do some research of your own, and you'll find out that I'm not making shit up, unlike yourself.
@Original1001BG you dumb republiKKKan trash only want to impose your stupid relegious beleifs on everybody. its pathetic and you know it. elizabeth warren is actually a REALLY GOOD candidate and actually CARES about the middle class whereas ron "the hitman" paul still only cares about the very rich and imposing christian beliefs on everybody in america. read a damn book the facts are out there sonny. i cannot wait to see pauls jaw drop when he loses & elizabeth warren wins.
@propagandadrunken You've proved to me once again that you can't stay on track with a discussion and you resort to leftist troll slogans. You spew lies and misinformation about Paul and Obama's supposed record of accomplishments (which is listed on your page). And Warren seems like a nice person, but she's another socialist with a college degree, and has never ran a business. If you can't respond to my previous comment like an adult, then go back to talking to the trolls on your page.
@Original1001BG so what sonny boy herman "the merman" cain ran a business and look at what kind of koch token uncle tom loser candy-date he is LOL. barrack obama never ran a business either and look at what a great job he is doing in washington. that argument does not mean shit. just because you never ran shit does not disqualify you from holding public office that is not a damn requirement. it is about the context of what the person speaks not the actions they have or have not done.
@propagandadrunken He did a great job on expanding wars and not closing Gitmo and assassinating American citizens in Yemen and not opposing the Fed and not holding back on spending. Yeah, he's a leader alright.
@Original1001BG yep accept non of that stuff is true only somewhat on the yemen piece but just incase you forgot...THE GUY WAS STILL AN AL QEIDA SYMPATHISER AND MASS TERRORIST! and obama got bin laden something your home boy bush was not able to do. bush is the one who messed all of the shit up that clinton had fixed and it took a great leader like clinton, obama, to come back here and fix things strait again which you will see when he gets re elected to a 2nd term and things start to get better
@propagandadrunken It's all true actually. And being a terrorist sympathizer doesn't qualify for assassination, he should've been arrested. Killing Bin Laden was as relevant as Biden telling a joke. He was only used as a boogey man during the Bush years and then during Obama's term to make stupid Americans be fearful of mountain men in Afghanistan who have beards and turbans.
@Original1001BG i noticed u dodged my point about trickle down economics n how reagen bankrupted the united states. glad you declared defeat...always happy to educate the less fortunate!!!
@propagandadrunken Where did I endorse trickle down economics? I support Paul in 2012, not Reagan's corpse 2012. And you go absolutely silent whenever I bring up the truth about Obama's foreign policy and his unconstitutional ways. Looks like you couldn't respond to my points 5 days ago. "Hope" for a reversal in a more liberal approach on those critical areas.
@Original1001BG obama has done a great job on foriegn polocy and economics it just takes time to fix the mess that bush left behind! gee man what is so hard for you to understand about this? why are you saying nasty things about our president like that omg
at least we can agree that herman cain is a sellout house nigger. i am glad you agree with me on one thing. but i still support OBAMA 2012. sorry you have failed to convence me.
The more I see of Paul, the more respect I lose for him. He's not for personal liberty, he wants to limit the control a woman has over her reproductive organs. Which is surprising due to his medical background. Maybe he became a gynecologist to prevent more abortions from the inside of the women's health field, I don't know.
And now he's just mischaracterizing Warren's comments just like the rest of the Republican machine. She doesn't say nobody got rich due to part of their own initiative, bu
Wow I didnt realize he was THAT type of republican. Unfortunately that makes him a repulsive individual to me now and I'm glad he gets drowned out if this is the type of rhetoric he wants to bring to the table instead of respecting her different ideals with some integrity.
I'll take Elizebeth Warrens perspective over Ron Paul anyday. She don't believe in dictatorship nor does the left-wing of USA. We believe in having real Democracy that's never been availiable under a Kleptocratic Republic.
Ron Paul favors inequality allowing the Tyrants of Capitalism to have it all their way with what he calls "FREE MARKET". which provides free profits and an avenue to elitism only for Capitalist, who are the supreme Socialist getting everyone to pay to for their existance.
Ron Paul. The man whose raised a son who believes that all dining establishments have the right to discriminate based on whatever reason they see fit. As a veteran it disappoints me that Paul believes in taking away entitlements that have existed because of a disparaging conditions that required them to be implemented in the first place. He is right though, there is class warfare going on in this country, started and nurtured by the Republicans and their Koch masters. Are all vets next Ron?
Bad example with Steve Jobs. He was a product of the context he grew up in. We all are. Steve Jobs grew up in Mountain View, a city composed of many talented computer scientists and other techies. His father taught him rudimentary electronics when he was child. After school, he would check out lectures at Hewlett-Packard and would eventually work there. Lastly, he met Steve Wozniak, the man who designed the circuit board and operating system for the Apple 1.
From Warren's little speech one would think that only poor people pay taxes when the opposite is damn near true
BorgKing001 4 days ago
Yeah. Right. It's "class warfare" that multi-millionaires and billionaires put something back in to the pot that allowed them to accumulate that wealth.
Every wealthy person in the US or Europe or any industrialized country got there off the back of a social system of roads and bridges and education and healthcare and science that has its roots in all of us contributing to the greater good.
You want Ron Paul's libertarian dream? Go to Somalia - and buy a gun + lots of bullets before you leave.
DogCognition 5 days ago
@DogCognition Somalia doesn't have a government that protects its citizens' property rights. If you had an iota of knowledge on the subject, you'd know that this is the #1 requirement of a libertarian government. Somalia is literally the opposite of a libertarian dream. Please think before you post.
LacusTheDestroyer 1 day ago
@LacusTheDestroyer
You think a government is going to protect you against an army of lawyers from a corporation that is dumping poison in your water because it's more profitable than correct disposal?
You libertarians are so dumb and simple-minded.
DogCognition 1 day ago
@DogCognition In a libertarian dream? Yes, absolutely that's what would happen. I said nothing about the real-world applicability of the situation, but in a libertarian DREAM (key word) that's what would happen.
To equate Somalia with Ron Paul's dream is what's dumb and simple-minded.
LacusTheDestroyer 1 day ago
@LacusTheDestroyer
Ah, so you admit that it's nothing but fantasy? Fair enough.
In Somalia they destroy you with AK-47s, in a 'civilized' country they destroy you with an army of lawyers. Different tools, same effect.
DogCognition 1 day ago
I don't think Ms. Warren understands thats why individuals and companies pay taxes. So we can create jobs and factories like this. If the company pays their fair share of taxes then they don't "owe" society anything more.
lukegumaer 5 days ago
Wow. I think this is quite possibly the stupidist thing I've ever heard come out of Ron Paul. I say we open the gates up and toss him to the wolves. He doesn't need community so let him be alone out there... I wasn't sure if I'd vote for him or not before but to say those things about Warren seals the deal. She is a classy lady and a fighter for the people. One less vote for RP.
Cypressmyst 6 days ago 4
Liz warren is such a pro tax commie.Dr Ron Paul 2012. 'nuff said
sadathusain 1 week ago
@sadathusain
Yes. Nuff said so that we now know you're a moron.
Heaney5551 5 days ago
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I would like to see Elizabeth warren to be Vice President to President Obama next four years and give her eight years to the President the United States because she's a very smart woman and someone look up to.
sonofatiger 1 week ago
Elizabeth Warren is nothing but a left wing, rich 1%-er and a big socialist, hypocrite. What a two faced Obama mouthpiece. If she gets elected to Massachusetts as a Senator, Massachuesetts will go from #5 in taxation and growth/unemployment to #3, behind New York and California. Your choice Massachusetts taxpayers.
InstantRebate 1 week ago
Ron Paul is so stupid.
ZUDI7 1 week ago 7
@ZUDI7 very educated response.
lukegumaer 5 days ago
@ZUDI7 lol you fuckers are so fucking stupid.
itachi705 4 days ago
@sperrico87
Your definition easily fits that of a corporation as well. Gov'ts and corporations are not persons, and therefore can't physically handle capital anyway. What they are is a contract under which people live & work. You sign the social contract by living under it, you sign a corporation's contract by working under it. You can always leave either willingly. That's not "forcibly transferring wealth", that's taking the money you owe and using it.
SgtSanchez 1 week ago
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sperrico87 1 week ago
Wasn't Elizabeth Warren the one saying, "banks are, just, too big to fail" (2009 interview with the Daily Beast)
Now she's on the side of the 99%- OWS- and decrying, in part, the vary actions she was advocating three years prior. LMFAO
Cr3Nietzsche3n 1 week ago
@Cr3Nietzsche3n
Either you've a serious reading problem or you're intentionally lying. I cannot find ANY instance in which she's said that, Daily Beast or otherwise, at ANY time period. In a Daily Beast interview, published 6 December 2009, she said, "I want to see Congress focus more on a credible system for liquidating the banks that are considered too big to fail".
You don't happen to work for FNC, do you?
SgtSanchez 1 week ago
@Cr3Nietzsche3n
Why would she say that in 2009? The financial crash happened in 2008.
LMFAO. You're an idiot. You've either taken it out of context or she was being sarcastc t about what just happened one year ago.
Moron.
Heaney5551 5 days ago
Yeah, Steve Jobs created great jobs..... In China.
visini14 1 week ago
Jeez, he's absolutely wrong on this..she never said no one is never responsible for his own success. She said no one is 100% responsible for his own success and if you don't recognize that, truth then you're really out of touch with reality. I, for example, do not have children, but I happily pay my taxes to support my local school system because I need to hire literate, numerate people to contribute to my wider success. I don't understand how that message can be obfuscated by people!
Frizinho 1 week ago
@Frizinho You just proved Ron Paul's point. You imply that the only way for people to be educated is for it to be paid for my public funds. But that's not true. There were/are private schools, homeschooling, and competition in schooling. The public school system is a disaster. The quality goes down year after year, even though they spend more and more money on it. Cost goes up, quality goes down, and instead of most people getting a great education, everyone gets a lousy one.
sperrico87 1 week ago
@sperrico87
So the men and women who paved your roads, built your houses, built your skyscrapers, tend to your electricity, your piping, your gardening, your meals, and the men and women who make sure those buildings don't burn down or fall victim to burglars all attended private schooling and you don't owe them shit, right?
SgtSanchez 1 week ago
@SgtSanchez First of all, I'm lower middle-class. No one "tends" to me for anything. Nobody is "owed" a free education, if that's what you're implying. No one is owed or entitled to a good or service that someone else has to pay for. That's immoral and it's also unconstitutional. Entitlements are not rights. Just because a government uses force and a gun to take money from you to build a highway, that incidentally you can use, it's only because you have no other choices.
sperrico87 1 week ago
@sperrico87 So you've never hired a plumber or an electrician, you get all your water from a well, you built your own house and every building you've ever entered for this reason or that, you're connected to the internet through some magical boot-strap-powered force, etc.? Because, and I don't mean to burst your bubble, but a majority of people don't go to private schools, and as a result, they are responsible for the majority of things you take advantage of every day.
SgtSanchez 1 week ago 3
@sperrico87 I wasn't even implying that people are "owed" a free education in that post, just that you owe the people who built your roads and your cars and your hospitals and so on.
And you know what? Education SHOULD be a right. How do you lessen inequality? How do you raise mobility? How do you diversify the economy? How do you, in pretty much every sense of the word, become a prosperous NATION? Top-tier, spare-no-expenses education.
SgtSanchez 1 week ago
@SgtSanchez Spare-no-expense education is what we are doing right now. It is proving that money is not the key factor in education. The US spends more per child than any other nation. Money does not seem to be the answer. Also, why would I owe someone who built a highway I use when the person was payed for their work? I have serious doubts on this 'social obligation' theory.
Justheory 6 days ago
@Justheory Spare-no-expense != throw money at a programme and hope it works. You spend what is needed where it is needed to create the most efficient system for everyone. The U.S. educational system lags so far behind other western countries. Our only saving grace are the exclusive and expensive universities and the genius grant.
People use all sorts of infrastructure built by people who, with the wage paid building those things, could not afford private schools or other amenities.
SgtSanchez 6 days ago
There are two sides to every coin, and all the taxpayers who built the country on their backs would not have done so at all if there had been no jobs for them to go to. Isn't it great when you can work to build a business and be successful but then again if you do then you are really the main problem. So her exact argument could be reversed and restated just as emphatically. I support Ron Paul once again; this does sound like the standard one-sided ruse used to keep the sheeple confused.
ClearSkyDay 2 weeks ago
*Sigh*, methinks Ron is wrong on this one.
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tylerdurrdenn 2 weeks ago
Sorry for all the typo's and grammatical errors. I just don't care about that stuff some time. I speak from the heart.
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
Of course, Warren is right but perhaps not in the way that she meant. She is right that the American government and American society have provided an environment favorable for commerce and protection of wealth and property. But even further Warren is right in that GOD provided the resources that were developed and utilized by entrepreneurs. Did ANY capitalist put the oil in the ground to be recovered, make the sun shine to grow crops or give man breathe so he can labor? NO, NOT ONE.Hubris=evil.
exenrontexas 2 weeks ago
The factory owner and/or his parents never paid taxes for public ed, police, firemen, or roads? Lucky bastard...
puckerupamerica 2 weeks ago
@escapetooz13, I am well aware of what taxes are. Did the rich factory owner not contribute to the roads as well? He uses a trucking company that purchases tons of gas. The gas tax is the main contributor to road construction and maintenance. Did his property taxes not go to build and fund schools already? Hell he probably pays for private security in addition to the police protection everybody else gets. Seems to me he's already paid more than his fair share. We just want MORE of it.
benallen12 3 weeks ago
@benallen12 You think they all give their fair share? Perhaps some do but some can find all sorts of tax breaks and loopholes because they can afford the lawyers to help them do it. In any case that isn't the point. It's not about being greedy, its about giving back to the community that sustains you.
EscapeToOz13 2 weeks ago
@DaveBassDotCom, Haven't even watched the video yet, but I can still respond to you. Steve Jobs PAID his employees to help him build his vision. Through voluntary exchange. She wants to use the government to take things from some and give them to others. And the super wealthy bankers are some of the biggest offenders of this mentality. All he wants is for people to have the opportunity to deal with one another freely without the threat of force from a sprawling central government.
benallen12 3 weeks ago
@benallen12 The government already take money and put it to use elsewhere, it's called taxes. Trying to paint her ideas as radical is silly. Steve Jobs paid his employees, sure, but obviously since you haven't watched the video the missed the point about how it's not just employees. It's the infrastructure necessary, the police for protection, the public schools that educated his employees in the first place. No one person is in a vacuum of success and well-being.
EscapeToOz13 3 weeks ago
@benallen12 Steve Jobs would be nobody had he grown up in a rural village in Africa. C'est la vie. Don't whine about contributing back to the people that enabled your success.
EscapeToOz13 3 weeks ago
@EscapeToOz13 Steve Jobs would probaly have invented a better farming system. You fail to realize great individual people have improved our life today by acting on their own self-interest. Without Edison or Tesla we would not have electricity. Imagine what they could create in today's world. Socialism is a disease that I wish you didn't spread on other people. I don't rely on the governemnt to protect me and help me out; I rely on myself first and then my family.
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
@myboycoltmccoy He didn't, so what's your point? Let's focus on the reality instead of hypothetical virtues that Steve Jobs clearly didn't have. I don't fail to realize at all. I'm ALL for people helping the world and helps themselves. Best of both worlds. Proposing to give back to the community is not the same as socialism. Don't take her arguments and hyperbolize them inaccurately. If you think you don't rely on the govt, you're mistaken. Her point is: no man is an island.
EscapeToOz13 2 weeks ago
@EscapeToOz13 My point was that steve jobs in today's world created the Apple company. If he were in Africa he would have created something else that was beneficial to the world around him. Creativity and innovation help culture. This collectivist type of thinking shuns people who have made it successfully because of their individual talents. Steve Jobs did give back, by giving us a product everybody finds useful. u r right about man being interconnected though, i'm not arguing that point.
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
@myboycoltmccoy PS read Outliers if you want to know a thing or 2 about circumstance and chance vs. a person's individual virtues. There are probably hundreds of people that could have been Steve Jobs as far as intelligence and creativity go. But his location, opportunities, luck, network of people, etc, all conspired to help him be successful. Individual virtues are only a small part.
EscapeToOz13 2 weeks ago
@EscapeToOz13 While I read Outliers (which I have) you can read Atlas Shrugged. I liked Outliers but I think you have to choose which side is more likely to help people and culture. I don't think regulations and spreading the wealth really does help America. I voted for Obama four years ago but not this next election. I thought he was going to stop the wars and balance the budget. All he has done is create more government jobs and "stimulate" fake money so we don't feel the rash of our economy.
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
Come on, Ron - Steve Jobs was NOTORIOUS for having other people build his visions for him. The truth is NO ONE does anything of substance without a TEAM. Ron Paul doesn't, Steve Jobs doesn't - even the super wealthy banking families are sucking us dry don't - they conspire amongst themselves, too. Try manufacturing or creating ANYTHING of substance ALONE - good luck! There is a team behind everyone of success.
The funny thing here is Paul criticizes her - but offers no counter ideas!
DaveBassDotCom 3 weeks ago
@DaveBassDotCom There is a team that creates all of these products. It's called free market or laissez faire capitalism. Humans are interconnected with everyone else and we do have to rely on roads and being fed and shit. However, that doesn't mean government has to feed us or cloth us it just means that other people working for their own best interest will make products that we buy. America was the strongest becuase of their laissez faire capitalism, now it's losing ground becoming socialist.
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
@myboycoltmccoy - Socialism does not provide ALL the goods and services needed by a society - only those deemed integral. America has been socialist for a century - early education, post office, farm subsidies, energy subsidies. The people bitching about health care are those making a killing at overcharging goods and services in a monopolized system - NOT "free" enterprise by any means. I believe in truly "free" enterprise - what is killing us is corporatism, not socialism.
DaveBassDotCom 2 weeks ago
If I make millions of dollars through my own business, I am creating jobs for people. I'm already paying them because they have earned that money. If I am to give my own personal money to someone who has done absolutely nothing to earn it, then I would rather give money via charity to people who actually need it rather than government take it away forcefully and use it to pay for unconstitutional wars, welfare programs or the education of kids who don't even want to learn.
Menry9374 3 weeks ago
Ron Paul does not understand Socialism, to him any form of Socialism is totalitarian, Ron Paul is a very ignorant person, I hop someone like Warren becomes President, Obama is a Moderate Right Winger, he's not a Progressive we need a real Progressive in office like her or Nader or Kucinich.
777Atheist 4 weeks ago
@777Atheist any form of socialism or totalitarianism does not belong in america in any fashion
sweetsilnce 3 weeks ago
@sweetsilnce We already have a form of Democratic Socialism, Public Education, roads, libraries our Military etc are examples of Democratic Socialism whether or not you like it buddy, DEAL WITH IT. :)
777Atheist 3 weeks ago
@777Atheist which are all bureaucracies that have the potential to become corrupt
sweetsilnce 3 weeks ago
@777Atheist Public Education = sucky, Roads = average (state controlled or toll roads are better), Libraries = Wow a good socialism idea for once, except this can be run by local governments which is not what Ron Paul is against, Military = The biggest f'n waste of money and has run the country into the ground for the last 20 years. O I forgot though you always have to "support the troops" you might as well say "support the trillion dollar deficit" or "support killing 1,000,000 Iraqians".
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
@777Atheist What's funny is that Kucinich has mentioned before that he would consider being Ron Paul's VP. Dennis Kucinich is not a Socialist. He's actually a free market guy he just wants a little too much consumer protection agencies.
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
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Speak against the dominion of the oppressive progressive movement and all of a sudden, you're a "dictator," either way, points for Elizabeth Warren. Progressives seem to love Ron Paul and they've clearly adopted him as their candidate for President. Progressivism in the states today has never been about (although, takes a lot of credit for) social systems to help the poor, or the average citizen, it's just a louder, (more Global) alternative looking version of the status quo. (f*cking hipsters)
mekman4 4 weeks ago
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mekman4 4 weeks ago
Elizabeth Warren is the child of janitor, not a "limousine liberal." I'm a supporter of Ron Paul, but she's good. Who's going to speak for the community?! We're not anarchists--we have legislators we elect as representatives to discuss issues and speak for the community! The community decides things like law enforcement and road building etc. Doing those things costs money, and we pay for it in our taxes. Warren has spoken out against the Bush medicare plan which she said was a giveaway
givebirthathome 4 weeks ago
@givebirthathome to the pharmaceutical companies and cost 40% more than it should have.
givebirthathome 4 weeks ago
@givebirthathome She makes sense on a local scale but definitely not on a federal scale. I would love to have her run PTA conferences just not America.
myboycoltmccoy 2 weeks ago
Elizabeth Warren part of the 1%, Limousine Liberal. She came out of her 5 million dollar home to speak to us, thank you Elizabeth 1% Warren.
69Desk 1 month ago
@69Desk It's clear that you pulled that either out of your ass or some other ignoramus's. Her father was a janitor who died when she was a child and her mother answered phones. I think that puts them somewhere in the upper lower class.
quidproquo2004 3 weeks ago
@quidproquo2004 ... You stupid idiot plenty of people in America had parents that had low level jobs and worked themselves up the ladder... Whatever, she's a hypocrite, she supports the 99% but is the one percent... She's worth over 15 million dollars and lives in a house worth over 5 million ... Limousine Liberal Phony
69Desk 3 weeks ago
@69Desk No shit Sherlock. My point is that she has perspective, something that eludes you. She stands behind her word despite the fact that it means she will have to pay more. Which means she's not a "limousine liberal". Which means you're remarks were disingenuous.
quidproquo2004 3 weeks ago
@quidproquo2004 What perspective does she have other then following the stereotypical political map of a limousine liberal so she can get Elected! in Massachuttes, much like the other phonies, like the Kennedys and Kerry. I'm working class, SHE is disingenuous (she's running for office, not me, DUH!) and you are a gullible fool buying into her guilt-ridden liberal garbage trip.
69Desk 3 weeks ago
@69Desk What qualities do you personally want in a politician running for US senate?
quidproquo2004 3 weeks ago
@quidproquo2004 your*
darryljwillis 2 weeks ago
@darryljwillis Thank you.
quidproquo2004 2 weeks ago
@quidproquo2004 just havin' some fun. :-)
darryljwillis 2 weeks ago
Why isn't it enough that the rich have provided goods which the less rich were willing to pay for? Have they not paid their dues in this manner?
jfulm12 1 month ago
Isn't it interesting that rather than addressing what Warren actually said, the only thing Ron Paul can do is strawman her argument ("to say that nobody is responsible for their success..."), falsely attack her character ("she knows nothing about the market"; she is a "demagogue" advocating "dictatorship"), and say that her ideas are the product of stupidity ("a reflection of the education system"). The idiot here - the real rambling demagogue - is Paul, not Warren.
byroniczero 1 month ago 15
@byroniczero "She doesn't understand the marketplace" HAHA Elizabeth Warren understands it much better than Paul just by her statement and his. You took your products to market on the roads we built. Ron Paul -> Those products magically appeared in consumers hands. LOL
"I don't think you can satisfy that statement with Steve Jobs." HAHA He had his parents pay for his college and went to a PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL.
Not to mention: "returning Coke bottles for food money during college". CA state...
dglass81 1 week ago
''Many people have been conditioned this way''
Ron Paul 2012
How has the current system been treating yous? Have fun!
1dayU2canBdaGreatest 1 month ago
Ron Paul is crazy. This interview just confirms it. He compares Warren's views to a dictatorship. Laughable.
Ichenmeis 1 month ago
Elizabeth Warren is spot-on. I agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy and I do like how he, like warren, speaks clearly and obviously stands by his convictions. But on domestic issues, he's nuts. Less nutty than the other republican nominees, but nuts nontheless
darkishphoenix 1 month ago
stupid. our country is already socialized and it was working fine up until the rich overthrew our govt. the rich undermined our success by...
1. dropping their tax rate to 15 percent and lower when the rest of us pay 20 to 30 percent and higher.
2. by removing tariffs on imports putting our manufactures out of business because we cannot compete with slave labor.
3. by free trade agreements allowing businesses to move their businesses off shore.
4. corporate welfare and socialized losses.
171RBD 1 month ago
ive read about karl marx. he said we in the US have the ability to peacefully build a democratically successful social network that really benefits the people. ohhhhhhhhhhhh, now that is scary. you are an idiot by demonizing marx. the rest of you, look up karl marx on the wiki, its very eye opening.
171RBD 1 month ago
Warren is a socialist and has been following Marxist thought for many years. Ron Paul was correct!
stephenabm 1 month ago
@thevoiceofreason Liberty benefits all people not just the rich. The govt handing out money to certain markets they prefer solely benefits the rich for this always increases prices and lobbyists line up to pay the govt to put money into their market. Although it is well intended, having the govt divide the MONEY and print the money when they don't have any to divide causes the free market, which always reduces prices, to have booms and busts. printing money also causes inflation which discou
Barbaricz123 1 month ago
Warren 2012
pan488 1 month ago
So is this Ron Paul's argument for everything with Free Market? "Absolute Free Market is right, anyone who disagrees is wrong because he/she's a communist or fascist" You know, I could not think of anything more demagogic then this. He appears to want everybody to be freer, but in reality it will only make the rich people freer than anyone else. He's exactly what is wrong with America right now.
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 month ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 thank you
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420
For what?
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 month ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 Hah you clearly like to put words into peoples mouths like the very deceiving scumbag you are.
tehatemachine 1 month ago
@tehatemachine I am just summarizing his overall argument. He clearly points out this is class warfare, he clearly accuses Warren for being part of a movement to introduce fascism into America. You are clearly accusing my moral character rather than creating a legitimate argument on why I am wrong about Ron Paul being a demagogue. What gives you and Ron Paul the moral high ground then? Who's deceiving then?
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 month ago 4
@TheVoiceOfReason93 Look at Pauls history in politics. The man has been consistent for over THIRTY YEARS. Many of his ideas where based off of Miltons, Miltons ideas that where practiced by Reagan and Clinton where SUPER effective in countering inflation and generating a surplus.
tehatemachine 1 month ago
@tehatemachine Until of course, the recessions caused by both Savings and loans and the bank failures resulting from deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. Ron Paul's consistent...but he's consistently wrong.
pan488 1 month ago
@pan488 The rich will only get tax cuts if they intervene and ask for government help somehow. It amases me because all of you are mass produce with the same mythological opinions that came from one of your friends. If people listened to the economists. There wouldn't of been as long of a recession as we now have. You look everywhere throughout history. Recessions where far shorter when government didn't intervene The market is a very sophisticated machine and should not be tampered with
tehatemachine 1 month ago
@pan488 If you really think warren is right on this issue. Then god help you, Because you REALLY cannot see evidence from what is right infront of you. There was a place called the USSR that preached the same ideas as warren preached.
tehatemachine 1 month ago
@tehatemachine You're comparing Elizabeth Warren to Iosef Stalin and Leonid Brezhnev? how cute- god help you, sir.
DalekSG 1 month ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 Warren Has no clue about what she is mumbling in economics all of her ideas have been tried in the past and have failed.
tehatemachine 1 month ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 well said.
dglass81 1 week ago
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1) Deregulation occurs
2) Huge amount of money from increased amount of investment created from dubious investment schemes
3) Lack of regulation causes increasing amount of those money to be loan to risky and dangerous investments, such as housing. Creates economic bubble.
4) The bubble bursts, no profits return, businesses go bankrupt, recession
5) All bailouts go to repay big creditors instead of floating business, leaving the common people and small creditors to suffer.
6) REPEAT
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 month ago
Mr. Paul was somone I once respected, if for no other reason than his honesty. Until I started reading his old news letters, ones he says he did not write (but which he sponsored and which he sent out). The racist remarks in those news letters have never been renounced or denounced than Mr. Paul. Five years and he didn't know? please. As for his calling warren a socialist is an IDIOT and has no idea of what socialism is. This man lives in an alternate reality.
wotmot223 1 month ago
@wotmot223 ... Those newsletters you speak of were written by James B Powell. Now I'd ask you to move on to the next failure of Ron Paul...But there aren't any. So please...just go away.
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
God damn ron i love you man! Get the hell into office!
tehatemachine 1 month ago
Who's going to speak for the community? Whoever they appoint is going to dictate everything about our lives to us? Really?
The solution to this problem, in a word... democracy. Does Ron Paul really not believe in democracy?
JLPKG 1 month ago
RON PAUL 2012!
pigeonpsycho 1 month ago
She makes a valid point, and the best argument for the flat tax. every one, rich, or poor, should pay the same percentage with no exceptions. We all receive equal rights under the law, and equal services.
Thewizzardof9 1 month ago
Ron Paul's views on economics and social programs are so god damn retarded but his foreign policy is spot on.
xBlake4 2 months ago
Fuck you Ron Paul. Your idea of free market is bat shit insane. There is no such thing as free market in reality, there is only Capitalism and Capitalism is the sole reason for everything that is wrong in the US right now. America is totally fucked up, people simply has no choice. It's either Obama the corporate robot or the insane Republican clowns on the other hand. Woody Guthrie is crying on his grave right now.
kazearaki 2 months ago
@kazearaki ...You don not understand anything. Markets are simply the idea of one person selling a good or service to somebody else.
GuyFawkes40 2 months ago
@GuyFawkes40
I wrote Free Market not Markets, you twat. I hate it when people like you label themselves as Libertarian when the real Libertarian is the Socialist Libertarian of Europe, not some dumbfuck perverted version called American Libertarianism..
kazearaki 2 months ago
@kazearaki ...I see what kind of person you are...."twat", "hate", "dumbfuck". Using language like that makes it very clear you are an aggressive, narrow minded person.
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
@GuyFawkes40
The fact remains the same, I wrote Free Market, not Markets.
Free Markets does not and never exist, there's only Capitalism.
But the biggest ideological travesty in America is when one equate Libertarianism with Capitalism (under the guise of Free Market).
Such perversion completely undermine the historically and original Socialist Libertarian.
You can bullshit all you want, but what happens in America is the very result of Capitalism.
kazearaki 1 month ago
@kazearaki ..."Socialist Libertarian"..??? I'm afraid you have a severe case of "Bushitis". It's a rare disease were one starts randomly making up words and believing they always existed.
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
@kazearaki ..."what happens in America is the very result of Capitalism"..?? It sounds like you've been pooped on by some nasty employer, I've had that happen before, or maybe you lost your job recently. All I can do is feel empathy....if that is what happened to you. All of my last three employers were stealing money out of my paycheck. I'm on my own now with a tiny online business. It's actually working out OK. I just have to work hard....which reminds me...I've got things to do....
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
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@GuyFawkes40
Yeah, anyone who oppose Capitalism must have lost their jobs, splendid inbred logic there. And the fact that you have never heard of Socialist Libertarian just make it even more worst. I bet you'll turn batshit insane if someone else mentioned Libertarian Communism. But it's okay, fucktard redneck like you knows very little of history to begin with. Dream on in your Capitalist wet dream but when the system collapse, expect a socialist revolution to arise. Farewell twat.
kazearaki 1 month ago
@GuyFawkes40 thumbs up for you sir! keep working hard!
tehatemachine 1 month ago
Ron Paul is insane right along with the people making posts on this video, the whole idea of society is that we are social and we help each other to make our society stronger and then you get a greedy few to say "No, we don't want to be part of your society" but they didn't mind using our society to benefit themselves it's just that they don't want society to benefit anyone else. That is the point of what Elizabeth Warren was saying.
Dahgrostabphri 2 months ago
@Dahgrostabphri well said.
grahamzhiser 2 months ago
@Dahgrostabphri ....You obviously have never studied history. All I can say is this...Remember this day. Because if Ron Paul is not elected president, and if people like E. Warren get into our government, you can kiss ALL of your freedoms goodbye as well as this once great country. Just like Rome, were doomed.
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
@GuyFawkes40 Excuse me? Warren is talking about regulations and laws which restrict the use of other peoples money in gambles (savings and loans of the 1980's, Enron, and the latest bank bailouts). Regulation is NOT socialism, and Warren advocates an open market which requires disclosure and and clearly written contracts. Paul lives in a world which never existed of Austrian economists who's ideas have never been tried. He would be a disaster. As for history, to what historicaly do you refer?
wotmot223 1 month ago
@wotmot223 .... In the real world, one must be careful were they step...otherwise you'll step in a hole and hurt yourself. Now in this wonderful Socialist world you dream about, you have to pay a massive government 75% of what you earn so they can support a bureaucracy that tells you where to step and what to eat. In the real world, people have to pay attention where they invest their money. IF there is a government constantly telling you what to do, you will never learn to be careful
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
@GuyFawkes40 hey, guy, I never said I wanted a socialist world, lo. Your doing what in an educated society would be called arguing a strawman. As for Mr. Pauls news letter. It bore his name, at the time it was published it was presented as HIS views. If someone else wrote it that leaves us with the conclusion that Mr. Paul is so inept that for years he never read a news letter presented by him as supportin his ideas. Nor has he ever repudiated the racist remarks made in them.
wotmot223 1 month ago
@GuyFawkes40 Ok, having read this post I will no longer respond to you. Lol, trying to teach a frog to sing will simply end in failure. Nobody in this nation pays 75% of their income in taxes. And this idea that I was talking about regulation when a person only invests their own money is so obviously wrong I take it you don't understand the written language ( I spoke of investing others money). Good night, sleep tight, and do be blissfull.
wotmot223 1 month ago
@Dahgrostabphri .... You do not understand humanity. That is why you fail. I started y won business because I was tired of being pooped on by terrible employers. I CREATE JOBS.....I CREATE WEALTH, for myself and for others. Nothing is free in this world. Ice Cream and Aspirin don't grow on trees. You have to WORK. But in your lazy world the government does everything for you. Don't you understand...You Are SPOILED ROTTEN.
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
@GuyFawkes40 you're little more than a shallow judgmental prick who doesn't know whit about what you are talking about, I'm not lazy or spoiled, I live a simple life and I work everyday and even have more than 1 job, and I don't take a single thing from the government in way of any kind of welfare at all, also I have no credit debt because I live within my means. / you are a selfish prick who should be ashamed of the crap you post, but your probably too shallow to know what shame is
Dahgrostabphri 1 month ago
@GuyFawkes40 as for Mr. Pauls other faillings? That depends on who one is. A complete lack of regulation (what do you think brought on the 1929 depresion, or the more recent bank bailouts)... he opposes all or any such regulation. Opposes any government services other than the military (contrary to article one section eight of the constiution). I would take you tad more seriously if you didn't throw out so many red herrings and do so much straw man arguments.
wotmot223 1 month ago
Elizabeth Warren is extremely divisive in this speech. She keeps saying "you" and "the rest of us". She's a dangerous Progressive, and I hope she loses her bid for the Senate.
GuyFawkes40 2 months ago
@GuyFawkes40
She's dangerous because she's right.
Haha RonTards.
mecher3k 2 months ago
Democrats are leeches, mooches and haters.
Tina196712 2 months ago
State Capitalism is the only mature and rational economic system for a modern, progressive people. There has to be a working, healthy relationship between private industry and government oversight. That balance is what we find so difficult, but we must keep it intact. Mr. Paul's laissez-faire style of capitalism does not work: their first successes in deregulating the banks in 1980, right up to the gutting of the SEC and CFTC are responsible for the economic mess we find ourselves.
agoraemily 2 months ago
@agoraemily ... There is one simple word that describes the reason we are in this mess...FASCISM.! Fascism is the alignment of State and Industry for the sole purpose of enriching industry at the expense of the citizens.
GuyFawkes40 1 month ago
@propagandadrunken what is exactly did ron paul flip flop on. maybe the death penalty but thats all i can think of.
shabs2011 2 months ago
Women vote to destroy other's freedoms. Women should not be allowed to vote or be involved in politics at all.
UltraConservative298 2 months ago
ok to hell with ron paul. thanks i was going to vote for him.
lifelovemusic2009 2 months ago
@lifelovemusic2009 So, you don't think you have the right to keep what you've earned?
artmv11 2 months ago
@artmv11 If I were the greedy type I dont think that I should be able to fuck over and end the middle class to make tons of money and buy tons of gold and have so much money that I could give 50,000,000 thats million people a very good life. but if thats the way all the rest of the republicans want it then I will keep making money and hording it while 90% of the u.s.a fades away in the next ten years. GOT IT?????
lifelovemusic2009 2 months ago
@lifelovemusic2009 Well, okay then. I see you are virtuous and generous, but that spirit of generosity comes from within you, the government did not instill that in you. I respect what you're saying (btw I am not a Republican), but I see leftists AND right wingers try to defer way too much on government to advance their platforms. The left wants to spread the wealth ,and the right wants social assimilation. You seem angry btw. I respect your view, and am by no means trying to antagonize.
artmv11 2 months ago
@lifelovemusic2009 The whole idea of making money and being wealthy is completely distorted, the liberals are always telling people that anyone who has become successful and has made lots of money have done it on the backs of others. This is a bunch of BS!!
Tina196712 2 months ago
@Tina196712
Ahh so people who become rich never had anyone help them? No one to ship their products, or anything like that?
So they personally drove to deliver their products, each and single one of them? Or did everything to run a business by themselves?
hahaha RonTards.
mecher3k 2 months ago
@artmv11 I have the right to keep what i have made. yes but I have way to much I could buy walmart and pay people $20 an hour to work and to have inssurence and a retirement but the problem is the ones that do own it dont want to do whats right for the people they want to keep it all for thereselves.
lifelovemusic2009 2 months ago
Elizabeth Waren =angry liberal
Truth77Absolute 3 months ago
@Truth77Absolute You seem to be unable to distinguish between anger and passion. I wonder what implications that has for your love life ...
Seasass 2 months ago
@Seasass , Im a Christian. I understand what love is. Do you?
Truth77Absolute 2 months ago
@Truth77Absolute "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers ..."
Hmm ... you may call yourself a "Christian", but I have no doubt that if you had lived in those times, your reaction to the above would have been "Jesus Christ = angry liberal".
Seasass 2 months ago
trickel down economics do not work which is what ron "the hitman" paul would like to re implement. reagan is the one who started this mess and the bush kooks kept the mess a tricklin down hill. trickle down is not the way to go, it says right in the statement...trickel DOWN! why would you want to go DOWN with anything?
republiKKKan scum = MORON EXTRAORDINAIRES
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
ron paul is the worst candidate to date. he is this fake flip-flopping loser ass old man (remember the last *old man* GOP candidate we had..ya kno the one obama beat) from texas who can only whine and complain and flip flop on every single issue. and it is sad bc he seems to be atracting dome of the liberal base bc most liberals are two dumb to see that this guy is just another relegious kook who wants to inforce his religion on the rest of the US! read the facts ppl!
OBAMA 2012
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
@propagandadrunken Obama loves war and shits on the Constitution. Ron Paul is NOT a flip-flopper. And you can't spell. Ron Paul 2012.
Original1001BG 3 months ago
@Original1001BG uuhh dumbass obama ENDED the war in iraq..what makes you think he loves war? and nice job going after small spelling mistakes instead of arguing the context of what i said. they call that ad hominem which is what you idiotic racist ron "the hitman" paul supporters thrive off of. ron paul is way worse than any candidate. forget the house nigger uncle tom sellout herman "the merman" cain & 999..ron paul wants to impliment a FAIR TAX which will impoverish millions of americans ! !
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
@propagandadrunken And then he built up forces in Kuwait, expanded Afghanistan, and bombed Libya. More troops worldwide, including over 2,000 in Australia and a special force to Uganda. Funny how you left that out. Paul may not be perfect, but he sure is a hell of a lot better than Obama or the other neocon GOPers. Paul has never flip flopped either. You just pulled that imaginary shit out of your ass.
Original1001BG 3 months ago
@Original1001BG look at your avatar of michael "the WEINER" savage...yep that is all i need to see to see that your just another reich-wing conservatard kool aide drinker. nice try but i will not dumb myself down just to get another conversion under my belt.
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
@propagandadrunken Looks like I won this arguement. Back into the troll corner you go.
Original1001BG 3 months ago
@Original1001BG what argument? there never was one or are you confused? you have said nothing worth rebuttaling bc all you say are idiotic lies that are spoon fed to you by people like sean hannity and micheal *the savage* weiner. ron paul is the biggest fraud in american history and also the biggest racist, worse then the sellout uncle tom herman *the merman* cain. he flip flops worse than my shoes & he has never been concistant on anything. he is for abortion and he is against it. what a loon
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
@propagandadrunken I gave you a lot of reasons as to why Obama is a neocon and not a peace president. You ignored that because it didn't help your argument one bit. So what did you do? You called me a "reich-wing conservatard" because you didn't have all of your talking points in order. I never listen to Hannity and I don't listen to Savage that much anymore either. Paul has ALWAYS been pro-life. Do some research of your own, and you'll find out that I'm not making shit up, unlike yourself.
Original1001BG 3 months ago
@Original1001BG you dumb republiKKKan trash only want to impose your stupid relegious beleifs on everybody. its pathetic and you know it. elizabeth warren is actually a REALLY GOOD candidate and actually CARES about the middle class whereas ron "the hitman" paul still only cares about the very rich and imposing christian beliefs on everybody in america. read a damn book the facts are out there sonny. i cannot wait to see pauls jaw drop when he loses & elizabeth warren wins.
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
@propagandadrunken You've proved to me once again that you can't stay on track with a discussion and you resort to leftist troll slogans. You spew lies and misinformation about Paul and Obama's supposed record of accomplishments (which is listed on your page). And Warren seems like a nice person, but she's another socialist with a college degree, and has never ran a business. If you can't respond to my previous comment like an adult, then go back to talking to the trolls on your page.
Original1001BG 3 months ago
@Original1001BG so what sonny boy herman "the merman" cain ran a business and look at what kind of koch token uncle tom loser candy-date he is LOL. barrack obama never ran a business either and look at what a great job he is doing in washington. that argument does not mean shit. just because you never ran shit does not disqualify you from holding public office that is not a damn requirement. it is about the context of what the person speaks not the actions they have or have not done.
me > you
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
@propagandadrunken He did a great job on expanding wars and not closing Gitmo and assassinating American citizens in Yemen and not opposing the Fed and not holding back on spending. Yeah, he's a leader alright.
You = Delusional and mininformed
Original1001BG 3 months ago
@Original1001BG yep accept non of that stuff is true only somewhat on the yemen piece but just incase you forgot...THE GUY WAS STILL AN AL QEIDA SYMPATHISER AND MASS TERRORIST! and obama got bin laden something your home boy bush was not able to do. bush is the one who messed all of the shit up that clinton had fixed and it took a great leader like clinton, obama, to come back here and fix things strait again which you will see when he gets re elected to a 2nd term and things start to get better
propagandadrunken 3 months ago
@propagandadrunken It's all true actually. And being a terrorist sympathizer doesn't qualify for assassination, he should've been arrested. Killing Bin Laden was as relevant as Biden telling a joke. He was only used as a boogey man during the Bush years and then during Obama's term to make stupid Americans be fearful of mountain men in Afghanistan who have beards and turbans.
Original1001BG 3 months ago
@Original1001BG i noticed u dodged my point about trickle down economics n how reagen bankrupted the united states. glad you declared defeat...always happy to educate the less fortunate!!!
propagandadrunken 2 months ago
@propagandadrunken Where did I endorse trickle down economics? I support Paul in 2012, not Reagan's corpse 2012. And you go absolutely silent whenever I bring up the truth about Obama's foreign policy and his unconstitutional ways. Looks like you couldn't respond to my points 5 days ago. "Hope" for a reversal in a more liberal approach on those critical areas.
Original1001BG 2 months ago
@Original1001BG obama has done a great job on foriegn polocy and economics it just takes time to fix the mess that bush left behind! gee man what is so hard for you to understand about this? why are you saying nasty things about our president like that omg
at least we can agree that herman cain is a sellout house nigger. i am glad you agree with me on one thing. but i still support OBAMA 2012. sorry you have failed to convence me.
propagandadrunken 1 month ago
The more I see of Paul, the more respect I lose for him. He's not for personal liberty, he wants to limit the control a woman has over her reproductive organs. Which is surprising due to his medical background. Maybe he became a gynecologist to prevent more abortions from the inside of the women's health field, I don't know.
And now he's just mischaracterizing Warren's comments just like the rest of the Republican machine. She doesn't say nobody got rich due to part of their own initiative, bu
jbourget32 3 months ago
Ron Paul thinks she is engaging in class warfare?
Wow I didnt realize he was THAT type of republican. Unfortunately that makes him a repulsive individual to me now and I'm glad he gets drowned out if this is the type of rhetoric he wants to bring to the table instead of respecting her different ideals with some integrity.
VirginiaTagz 3 months ago 4
I'll take Elizebeth Warrens perspective over Ron Paul anyday. She don't believe in dictatorship nor does the left-wing of USA. We believe in having real Democracy that's never been availiable under a Kleptocratic Republic.
Ron Paul favors inequality allowing the Tyrants of Capitalism to have it all their way with what he calls "FREE MARKET". which provides free profits and an avenue to elitism only for Capitalist, who are the supreme Socialist getting everyone to pay to for their existance.
mulabate 3 months ago
This was a bad response on Ron Paul's part. I'm a Ron Paul supporter but he could have answered this much better.
Barrettatsumaki 3 months ago
Ron Paul. The man whose raised a son who believes that all dining establishments have the right to discriminate based on whatever reason they see fit. As a veteran it disappoints me that Paul believes in taking away entitlements that have existed because of a disparaging conditions that required them to be implemented in the first place. He is right though, there is class warfare going on in this country, started and nurtured by the Republicans and their Koch masters. Are all vets next Ron?
dallasdawg2010 3 months ago
Bad example with Steve Jobs. He was a product of the context he grew up in. We all are. Steve Jobs grew up in Mountain View, a city composed of many talented computer scientists and other techies. His father taught him rudimentary electronics when he was child. After school, he would check out lectures at Hewlett-Packard and would eventually work there. Lastly, he met Steve Wozniak, the man who designed the circuit board and operating system for the Apple 1.
kji02 3 months ago