Separation of Church & State: Keep your gods hands off....

[dacomiller]

You need to do a bit more research on the Puritans. They did indeed establish an oppressive church run government. Can you say, "Salem witch trials?"

[lizardman77]

Article 6 section 3 of the Constitution makes  it crystal clear that no religious test for office shall ever be required, end of story. Keep religion and politics seperate, I say this as a pro-life person.

[CravenLeVay]

That fact is religion in the logical sense is all BS I believe we were created by some god like power but religion is merely fiction so should not play a role in anything besides at home or church. This is not to be argued with being it is the best logical sense period. If not prove your religion or zip shut and close your mouth.

[B3boy]

I FLUSH ALL GODS DOWN THE TOILET OF FILTH AND IGNORANCE EVERY MORNING WITH MY DAILY SHIT!!

AHHHHhhh....., that was good church!

and by the way,

I smash your imaginary Lucifer's head

between my organic pick nose tools

when ever the need arises

FUCK ALL EARTH VOODOO!

BOO!!!!!!!!

[Digginitdog]

You better go back and read what our founders said about God and their beliefs. They Prayed and knew God wanted them to protect individual freedoms.

Benjamin Franklin, offered his famous appeal for harmony and conciliation,an appeal for God's intervention.

[whatsabudget]

And their individual beliefs still have no bearing, because they wrote protections from even having their beliefs becoming an institutionalized state organ. They were able to keep the two separate, you know, the way they meant it!

[Damis101]

Jack Kennedy was a devout Catholic, yet made it perfectly clear that he was against mixing religion and politics. He said that a person's personal faith should neither hinder nor help him in seeking government appointments, etc.

[whatsabudget]

jackj1957 - Saying it three times doesn't make it any more effective. You're right, the constitution says the congress shall make no law bit. And I think us arguing over the meaning of his words is much more effective than historians doing the same. Face it. Not going to see eye to eye over this. If you have to fight this hard for your religion, it is no longer self sustaining and should fold on out. Give it time...

[JackJ1957]

The words "separation" "Church" & "State" do not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

The phrase actually comes from a private letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists. He told them that no particular Christian denomination was going to have a monopoly in government. His words, "wall of separation between Church and State," were not written to remove all religious practice from government or civic settings, but to prohibit the domination of particular religious sects.

[8IT4U]

A Separation is just that it goes both ways. We need protection against religious zealots just like religion needs protection from corrupt politicians. The constitution only mentions Religion to state that Congress shall make no law establishing or abridging religion and states the individuals freedom of his or her religion and their being no religious test to hold office. We all need to stop reading our own views into the constitution. It can't get any clearer.

[JackJ1957]

The words "separation" "Church" & "State" do not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

The phrase actually comes from a private letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists. He told them that no particular Christian denomination was going to have a monopoly in government. His words, "wall of separation between Church and State," were not written to remove all religious practice from government or civic settings, but to prohibit the domination of particular religious sects.

[JackJ1957]

The words "separation" "Church" & "State" do not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

The phrase actually comes from a private letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists. He told them that no particular Christian denomination was going to have a monopoly in government. His words, "wall of separation between Church and State," were not written to remove all religious practice from government or civic settings, but to prohibit the domination of particular religious sects.

[Raychee08]

I agree with you J.J. It is man injecting his own bias into the equation of "church and state" matters, particuarly the legislatures and the Supreme Court. "We are endowed by a creator with certain inalienable rights life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" emphasis on creator. I feel this "erected wall" infringes on one's liberty.

[whatsabudget]

The "erected wall" doesn't prevent anyone from worshiping however they want, so it doesn't infringe on your rights. It protects the rights of those who would be harmed by the government institutionalizing any particular religion over another. So it's not about the one it's about the many.

[Damis101]

Here's the problem Raychee--WHO's creator are you referring to, yours or your Muslim neighbor, or how about those who believe that Space Aliens are God(s) or Satanists who feel that Lucifer is the one true God?  You cannot change another's faith or belief--read history and you will understand why the founding fathers based our constitution on the separation. Religion should have no part in politics!

[whatsabudget]

PS just because some of our nation's leaders believed in a god, doesn't mean anything. Especially when they established rules that prohibited religious intermingling with legislation.

And yes, SeventhHanyou, CONGRESS, you know the elected officials who make our laws. I know they don't have the impact your god's laws have, but at least one body can back their legislation up. Oh and to be clear, I'm talking about CONGRESS. Not god. Both rule by fear, but one is at least semi-effective.

[whatsabudget]

Wow lots of comments piled up in my absence. I'll say this to the dissenters. It's your right to disagree and find flawed and misinterpreted information to back your statements. Why not? You follow a false, flawed tome that tends to do more harm than good.

Oops, I just vomited up some more ignorant bullshit. But that's okay, I figure you'll ignore it just as you do logic, science, and reason. Dammit. There goes another gross mischaracterization...oh wait, it's fucking not!

[SeventhHanyou]

Do you believe we must kowtow to flawed jurisprudence? Amazing. You'll probably delete these comments.

Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with people, at the state level, utilizing their "freedom of religion" to drive their ideals, or with pastors advocating specific public policy. That's freedom, right? I disagree with the progressive agenda, and I vote in part based on that disagreement.  That's my Constitutional right.

[SeventhHanyou]

Wow. "Straw man arguments" should also be a tag. I know plenty of Christians who believe the priests should be punished. I also know plenty of Christians (most) who have a much more intellectual approach than your clumsy little caricature.

You're adamant about the Constitution. Separation of Church and State isn't in it; you quoted the first amendment yourself. Read it again. CONGRESS shall make no law...that alone should act as a red flag to the entire "separation" argument.

[shellieida]

This is an expample-I have found thousands of the same sort!!!Country was founded on GOD!!

The following is in excerpt from a Letter written by Abraham Lincoln to a mother that lost 5 sons to the Civil War:

'I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.'

[USMarineSgt]

Separation of church and state has been challenged under the Bush admin., but I believe it has held up well.

Dear God,

Stay the fuck out of my government.  Amen.

[asderathos]

As a conservative a wish to conserve the culture of the 50s, not the oppression, some things should change, but some things shouldn't, and have, The founding fathers wished to protect the minority from the majority with simple democratic values as enlightened Christians, they succeeded in the founding documents. But with the rise of liberal fascism the minorities have gaining the tyrannical grip. Which strangles the Christian majority with political correctness IE intelectual dishonesty.

[TheAllCityKing]

Anyone who says church and state are still separate is an ignorant idiot. Christian morals have slowly leaked into our government since it was founded.

[girzwald3]

oh no. If everyone followed the 10 commandments, this world would just be a TERRIBLE place.

maybe if you learned the meaning of the speration of church and state, you wouldnt vomit such an ignorant statement next time.

[CAMIV68]

You believe that Christianity has leaked into the government???? Hahahah. The founders were Christian. 98 percent of Presidents were Christian. Christianity is "leaking out" of the government because it was there to begin with. People like you are leaking into the government, not the other way around (when I say people like you I mean ignorant fools)

[pork4allah]

I would like a government that would follow the Bill of Rights and US Constitution and not violate same. I would like a government that would redeclare our nation a REPUBLIC and not a multicultural Democracy. I would like US politicians prohibited from joining Secret Societies and meeting behind closed doors. I would like the Federal Reserve Act repealed so our US Treasury could print our money interest free. I would like a government for the People by the People.

Declaration of Independence.

[dellsprospects22]

and by them i mean "extremists" not regular muslims for pete's sake

[dellsprospects22]

and i'm not saying we need an athiest president but we don't need a holy war against muslims, then we're as bad as them

[dellsprospects22]

see therefore aipac and haggee and their political partners and all this crap can just go by the wayside..spend the money helping storm and flood victims instead of lobbying for money for more church subsidies..

[dragun39]

What we need to focus on is not seperation of church and state. What we need more than anything else is the seperation of private corporations and the government. This unholy union has taken the lives of millions upon millions of people just within the last couple of decades. Time for people to wake up and not be distracted by these types of overplayed non issues like 'church and state'. That's not the problem we're faced with in 2008

[whatsabudget]

You're right. The corporate buyout is something that needs to be stopped. Hence the march we have begun organizing to do so. However, in the meantime, since religion, namely christianity acts to oppress, mislead, and corrupt the masses, then we need the fucking separation. And it's not overplayed if it's still acting to legislate with it's bigoted hypocrisy, so thanks. Some of us still can be active beyond our ADD and do a little something called multitasking.

[dragun39]

It's idiotic to clean dirty windows when the house is on fire. Maybe you should go get checked for ADD

[whatsabudget]

Ah, but if the windows were clean, folks could probably see in and notice the fire since they haven't seem to catch on yet from all the smoke.

And that wouldn't be ADD, it would OCD

[bigmar571]

yes congress did not want to establish a national religion because it would have been pointless for original colonist to escape religious persecution. But the "wall" of the Danbury letter were not to limit religious activities in public; rather they were to limit the power of the government to prohibit or interfere with those expressions.

[DrumsTenorsax]

Could you please tell me where , "The Seperation of Church and State" appears in The Constitution? What are The Danbury letters? Whether Godly or ungodly, all the facts will help reveal the Truth.

[whatsabudget]

The separation of church and state is guaranteed by the first amendment stating that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". This prevents the government from providing any kind of preferential treatment to any one religion which would act to signify a nationally recognized and affiliated religious ideology. The Danbury letters were the letters Jefferson wrote to a group of baptists wherein we get the separation phrase from.

[ADW1972ADW]

FYI: The Washington quote about the U.S. not being founded on the Christian religion was never spoken by George Washington. It is from the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams and ratified by Congress (unanimously, I think.)

That said, your overall point remains valid. Nice film.

[whatsabudget]

Thanks for that. I'll check that out. Much love!

[TheFleshStorm]

this is an amazing video.

thank you so much for posting this :)

[silvermoon577]

You are a "Separation of Church & State"

cry baby! The Church is apart of the State!

Church is in State!

You will have to kill Christians first!

[whatsabudget]

Actually...it's not. I know history is so historical and a bit boring, but if you knew yours, you'd know that your 'logic' is deeply flawed. Though you did propose a solution to the problem that I hadn't even thought of, so good on you!

[limpnail]

I suppose you would like to see satanist's rule in government? It is a religion, not of your chosing I'm sure. So keep your antiquated crazy old fables out of my government. Logic and reason rule.

[FundamentallyFlawed]

Excellent video, sir! You neatly assembled many of the key points into a short yet informative film. Please keep up the great work!

[whatsabudget]

Isn't it great how uneducated, sub-moronic ideologues always argue that other peoples facts aren't right when they persist to use a mistranslated text of mind control over the mentally stunted!

If you take offense to what I'm proposing, that we uphold the ideals that shaped this nation, and you ignore the actual quotes used that our past leaders have stated, then you are part of the problem, and need to re-examine your 'facts'!

And yes, gany, jackasses like this make theocracies frightening!

[ganymeder]

Wow. If separation causes such hatred, just imagine if we lived in a theocracy.

(((shivers)))

I'm glad that my beliefs or lack of belief does not cause me to loose too many other freedoms.

Thank you again for posting this informative video. :D

[kyleain]

whatsabudget: "I would respond to each of your insane, inane posts, but I do have a life, unlike you, I'm not all bitter and insecure about my beliefs to have to comment upon comment on something so stupid and beneath me,"

Your video is so stupid and beneath me that I don't have to comment upon comment on them? What lol?. And how is it you can't see you are insulting me? Dur? And are you bitter enough to thumb me down you weak moron? So what was that about the bitter and insecure one? Dur?

[ganymeder]

Nicely done video. :)

[kyleain]

Whatever you say is true cuz u said it.

:)

[whatsabudget]

Wow thanks for resoundingly proving my point. I would respond to each of your insane, inane posts, but I do have a life, unlike you, I'm not all bitter and insecure about my beliefs to have to comment upon comment on something so stupid and beneath me, as you so obviously feel this video is.

Thanks for watching, and I wish you all the luck with your angry endeavors. Afterall, if you're not angry, you're not paying attention!

Peace,

...and I don't worship Darwin. Just the FSM! Much love!

[kyleain]

"Wow thanks for resoundingly proving my point."

WOW thanks for resoundingly proving my point. Woah, check it out, all I have to do is repeat back to you what you say to me! G, could something be wrong with your arguments, your reasoning?

Do you ever bother to check the way you reason? NO. Because you don't give a shit what evidence or truth is, you think truth and evidence, reality = you raging.

[kyleain]

"I would respond to each of your insane, inane posts,"

You already are moron, by broadsiding with insults. That's all you have excuse making blind hypocrite. If what I said could be easily refuted, you'd bother to rather than posting,

"Waaaah, you said too much stuff, I can't deal with it, I have a life, waaaaaah, so waahhhh, I'm not a moron who parrots what others say,

Peace,

I worship noodles becuz I'm a baby, waaaaah, you post inane stuff, waaaaaah, I leaving! waaaaah!

Hit and run baby.

[pheniox20]

And it's not in the least bit childish to worship an imaginary sky being that loves you, but if you step out of line will turn its back on you? I'm pagan and believe in many gods and goddesses, but I can only prove them as much as you can prove your god, which is only as much as anyone can prove the flying spaghetti monster, which is all the pastafarians say. I think that statement is far less childish and whiny than your "my god beats your god" statements.

[kyleain]

"Wow thanks for resoundingly proving my point."

Still waiting for the proof moron whiner. Look up the word proof moron, it doesn't mean whatever the whining hit and run moron says it is. And moron, did you prove it to the other 30 million Christians who think you're a whining moron? You know, the ones you ONLY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR VIDEO YOU MORON? DURRRRRR?

[kyleain]

And moron, why should I have to only comment once you whiner?

And you pretend you are the one who is for tolerance and free speech? You loser hypocrite?

What a LOSER WEAK-MINDED HYPOCRITE. You can dish it hypocrite, but you hate to take it back.

And moron, how about instead of resorting to calling "bitter and insecure" anyone who refutes you, you instead, take the time to demonstrate you have the patience, the ability to reason intelligently, and aren't a prideful crybaby. Dur.

[whatsabudget]

I've done the whole high road thing, but you seem like the kind of imbecile who needs some of your own medicine dished back to you. I only wish I could get as ignorant of the facts as you so that we'd be on a level playing field, but alas, I can't get that worked up over you. I know you want me to, and it's bugging the hell out of you because I won't just loose my shit and start the crying you so badly want me to. Maybe next time, my friend.

[kyleain]

"Thanks for watching,"

Why would I watch, as I already said I noticed, moron, that you started the video off with your oh "Listen to me I'm a smart and wise profound man with my breathing" voice making the utter obvious comment (which wasn't even fully true): "Religious groups today have become a powerful and influential group" like you're the first to discover America?

Like I said earlier, which you couldn't refute except with a long ranting bitter hypocritical insult: THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN.

[kyleain]

"and I wish you all the luck with your angry endeavors."

What was that Mr.: "and I, have a problem with that, but then again, I'm an angry hippy". Can't you talk without contradicting yourself every other sentence? DUR.

So, wow, let's count this guy's problems with religious groups:

If they respond more than once, it's not because there is a 300 word limit, but bcuz they are, "bitter, insecure, angry, and have no life, and if only say that to them and make fun of them, unless ur an atheist"

[kyleain]

whatsabudget: "Thanks for watching, and I wish you all the luck with your angry endeavors. Afterall, if you're not angry, you're not paying attention!"

Wow, three contradictions after all. You say you're an angry hippy, then insult me for being angry, then like an immature idiot child say that being angry is the only way to reason and understand? What evil stupid logic. So much for peace eh? What a transparent, bumbling, babbling, sophist.

[kyleain]

whatsabudget:"...but I do have a life, unlike you, I'm not all bitter and insecure about my beliefs to have to comment upon comment...

Peace,

...and I don't worship Darwin. Just the FSM! Much love!"

But you do have the time to post a time-wasting rant of mere insults (that repeatedly contradict you on top of it), and call that peace?

[kyleain]

whatsabudget: "Wow thanks for resoundingly proving my point. I would respond to each of your insane, inane posts, but I do have a life, unlike you, I'm not all bitter and insecure about my beliefs to have to comment upon comment on something"

But you do have the time to post insult after insult in one comment and multiple videos longer than 8 minutes? Deliberate retard? Can't you stop being a hypocritical contradictory moron? Even for a second? Smack yourself on the head hypocrite.

[kyleain]

One last thing whiner over religious people exercise free speech: what's worshiping imaginary flying spaghetti have to do with God who's years-long best-seller (unlike your cheap rants) brought peace and modern science to the world while morons like you were too busy chopping necks, sacrificing kids, wasting time building pyramids, ranting about no gods and ignoring the poor and orphans, to even come up with, "Do not bear false witness" or "Love your neighbor as yourself" or "Love your enemies"?

[whatsabudget]

Wow, you have a lot of rage whenever your safety bubble of belief is challenged huh? Is someone not that secure with their deity? I'm sorry, but browbeating people on youtube isn't going to earn you the good seat next to the throne of gullibility.

And you can call me a whiner all you want, I put as much stock in your words as you do in mine, hence the fact that there is no reason to argue with you. I actually used facts in my film, and you've used faith. See how we will never agree on this?

[Shultzgti]

You've just proved how much of a wacko nuitcase bigot you are, kyleain.

Keep up the great work! *chomping on popcorn*

[kyleain]

Whatever you say is true cuz u said it, whatever is hate is whatever is against your morality, See yet?: The obsessed psycho fundie, is you.

[kyleain]

What comes around goes around: God will do the same to you unless you stop railing against him. Rant all you want while you are eternally separated from God in Hell.

[kyleain]

And like the atheist cowards you love said,

Why do you have friendslock on, what are you afraid of hypocrite? And why are you sucha cowardly hypocrite that you FORCE a person to claim you are their friend so they can talk to you?

[kyleain]

So keep YOUR MORALITY, YOUR GODS, including DARWIN THE IDIOT WHO LOVED TO CLUB BIRDS TO DEATH AND RIPPED OFF NATURAL SELECTION FROM THE CREATION SCIENTIST EDWARD BLYTH, to yourself.

[kyleain]

So the close minded intolerant hypocrites are you.

[kyleain]

Ooooo, you have a problem with that, and we Christians who have shaped the worlds history since God created the angels care cuz? Get a life you boastful moronic show off.

[kyleain]

Ooooo, you have a problem with that, and we Christians who have shaped the worlds history since God created the angels care cuz? Get a life you boastful moronic show off.

[kyleain]

And are you making sense when you basically say:

"separation of morality and state"?

Do you think God will justify you because you've hypocritically stated that?

There is no such thing as separation between morality and man, everyone has their own morals, you can replace it with air. Big duh right there.

[kyleain]

Did you know the founding fathers did not endorse separation of church and state? But just the opposite?:

lc.0rg/resources/separation.ht­ml

creationists.0rg/churchandstat­e.html

And stop the retarded propaganda: "religious groups today have become a powerful"... OOOoOoOoO, SCARY. Here that everyone? They've become POWERFUL. LOL! POWERFUL = SCAAAARY. LOL! Gotta hate that idiotic atheist logic.

Last time I checked Dariwnians were also a POWERFUL group; the religious always have been. dur.

[damejm]

Do you actually read? Pretty tough words for someone that isn't face to face with his competition. Wonderful place the internet you can be a complete wanker and there isn't really anything anybody can do about it. Since the Christian faith borrows a lot of material from Egyptian cultural myths did you get your ranting maniacal personality in Sunday school? Perhaps in a revival?

Please go evolve.

[Shultzgti]

Awesome video.

[kyleain]

cuz ye said so, and whatever the morality basher says is true, is true! you hypocrite.

[Shultzgti]

You're a loser and a psycho stalker, and I have the hate mail from you to prove it.

[kyleain]

Whatever you say is true cuz u said it, whatever is hate is whatever is against your morality, See yet?: The obsessed psycho fundie, is you.

[kyleain]

Prove it then childish moron. Show everyone how you define "stalker". Dur.

Dur.

What a moron you are.

[damejm]

I agree.