As your brother whose Shapsugh ancestors belongs Circassia I wanna tell you something.The enemy has never changed , it is still there -----> damned russia!!! NEVER FORGET !NEVER FORGIVE!And ther is only ONE solution!!! UNITY!!!! Unity , Prosperity, Glory and VICTORY! All the relatives consider theirselves relative or friend of TURKEY MUST be under the exact command under TURKEY ! Follow the only one LEADER :TURKEY ! Unity under the leadership of TURKEY !There is no other solution!
There is no Aosuva koshara here, and Leperife is not Apsua dance, it is Adighe dance Leperife means in our language leg kick, check again what is apsuva koshara, it is the known abkhaz dance what is called apsuva koshara, and there is Shshan here not sesen nor cecen it is Sh - horse, Shan - behavior in our language.
i hoping someone can answer this question for me...starting at 0:20 what dance are they doing. I'm circassian and i dance as well in the american group but im confused if they are doing a form of shashen or they are doing Abeeda Shashen style but playing it with kafkaze style pshina (accordian). Isn't it abeeda shashen their playing or was it abeeda playing the shashen her style and this is the original, im confused lol
first of all it is called "ShShan" not Shashen nor sheshen, ShShan means horse behavior or horse character in adyga language, because it is a dance based on a wild horse stomps and running, if someone is telling you something different they are shiting you.
Second, this music doesn't sound like Abeeda's work, or maybe it is but they fixed it different, maybe it is a renew.
Other thing is about Kazakhs. In fact there is no Kazakh tribe of Russians or Turks. Kazakh name absolutely a trans-word from Adiga ancients and it was named Cossaks (Kosak) a great part of old Adigas. When Russians and some Turks came to Caucasia they claim this name as it was named for the territories for the mentioned Adyga part. Do not try to claim any tradition from North Caucasian. IT IS ABSOLUTELY PURE and ONLY BELONGS TO CAUCAS MOUNTAINS. Not other nomads.
These kind of dances don't belong to other than North Caucasian Nations. Someone try to claim Mongols, Kazakhs, Armenians used to has this kind of things. This is a pure fool. Especially North Caucasians owns it and other neighbours copies everything. Even this tradition had and has never been known by Mongolians or Armenians until they met North Caucasians.
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong, chechens don't dance like this.
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong!!!
and btw, I am not sure, but I think I got confused while replying to someones comment. My post was to another guy.. or not?! I just don't remember where I clicked =))
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong!!!
for instance the "kidnaping brides" in Adyga custome we never kidnap a girl without her aproval, it means we run together from the parents who don't want to marry us.
BUT you, kidnap her from the streets like barbarians!! and if she does not want to marry you rape her!!!, and you call yourselves honorable caucasian!!! loool
Shouldn't be saying that if you don't know a thing about us, Caucasus people. + you don't know who stole whose customes.. why? because you were not there at a time so shut the fuck up. in addition, "stealing" is just taking a keeping something. while a culture DEVELOPS it develops on a line with cultures around them. That's why those who live near each other, have things in common in their language, national foods, dressings, musics and cultures in general.
I love lezginka. I love see my Balkar and Chechen friends dance it and I am trying to learn it as of now. Me being an Armenian doesn't have to do with any thing, it was just a part of my speech. Armenians are Caucasus as well as their traditions. You might not like it, but it is a fact.
yeah sure!! right!!, you dont got traditions like caucasians!! you dont got same customes, dammn even azeris are not caucasians anymore they are a mixture of races.
and btw, stealing a bride wasn't stolen from you..... Even Kazahs and Mongols stole their wives if they wanted, just as many other nations. Running away with a girl isn't purely your tradition too... In any country, any culture if a man wants to mary a girl and their parents are against it - they just take off... Shouldn't be considered a tradition at all, it is just the way it is.
btw, you dont how it is, and it is a tradition, ask your chechen freinds, and stealing wives is not it, they simply call it "stealing" but i ain't, you simply dont know what you must do in order to take your loved one, it is not just run together, it gots rules
"stealing a bride" isn't literal, the bide is taken to the grooms failies house and the parents are told. This is done evn if the parents aprove. The bride and groom never meet untill after the wedding. It is and adyge tradittion not mongol.
Listen bro, I didn't say it is a PURE Mongolian tradition. I am just saing that Mongols do it to. Kazahs used to do it too in the old day. Armenians do it, Dagestanians, Chechens, and so on. That's why I can't agree that it is PURELY Adyge tradition.
they might do it too, but adyge have been around before them all so they did it first and the others followed, the mongols learned when they tried to invade Kabarda, the others are all close to Circassia so they oicked it up.
or maybe it is we who picked it up, what makes you think that everything came from us? do you got proofs? only Adyga ego makes you think that way.
many asians kiddnap their brides, and you know that caucasus was a place for many invasions and many cultures, so maybe it is Mongol tradition after all, even the big fur hats we use, people from kirgistan use it too, and check old photos of adyga people who were wearing strange round an low fur hat and with no fur on the top of the hat, thats mongol
my friend, i do research on this subject. I have a book of files and documents from every source available. It has english sources, russian sources, turkish sources, german sources, and many other reliable sources from renouned schools and government investigations. As well as all of these, i have adige sources, the most important one because we are the only ones who know the full story. What do you have to back your statement?I would like to see it to learn( if possible), i am open fordiscusion
then send me those documents, send me their links.
my statement is logic, caucasus was a place of many invaders from asia, so if we got some traditions like asians the most possible logic thing is caucasian learned from them, and check about the amazon thing too where does it come from
the question is that there are many sources too that show us as gipsy nation too, in these days you can't know what to belive too
Gypsy Nation!!! Adige is the purest races on earth!Nowadays we have many selfproclaimed enemies such as russia,georgia,turkey,the balkans. it is a shame. i will send you a few links but if you want more you can find them all through google. just type in circassain history history. you will get documents published by an englishman who was sent to circassia in 1800's to collect info on the circassians. he wrote a book "a year in circassia" or something like that. he explains the xabze and people
as purer and ancient. he says they are good people and should be an ally of englands, eventhough circassia was a tradeing ally of englands, that is just one book and then there are letters from russian troops and generals during the war that say these good and strong people are doomed for the reason of not being russian...they generall mood of these letters is guilt,shame,and sadness from the Russian generals and troops...i will add a link
Yes, I might not know about "running away" it was just my best guess based on common sense and what I know. It might be your nations tradition and I respect that, but calling me an Asian or Persian waste and non-Caucasus was just wrong and some other stuff that you said about Caucasus men.
ok, i was wring calling you persian waste, but all other things i have said are a fact and true, about the none-caucasians, and i am not saying this to offend, it is simply a fact
Turkish have their "Turkish Duduk". Duduk is an ancient Armenian instrument. early versions of it were made of a unique kind of plants that only grew on a territory of Armenia. Then they started to make it of Apricot trees. Turkish have their own kind of Duduks and the music style... Wouldn't really say they STOLE it.. They heard it.. they liked it... They started experiencing with Armenian Duduk and developed their own way of it... I as an Armenian have no problem with that..
i am simply saying that many adiga ppl confuse with the word "Shishan" to "Chechen", and i think all kavkazian nations has their own beuty and culture, Adyga, Abkhaz, Chechen, Ingush, Georgian, Dagestanian, all of them are the greatest nations in the whole world!!!
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong, chechens don't dance like this.
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As your brother whose Shapsugh ancestors belongs Circassia I wanna tell you something.The enemy has never changed , it is still there -----> damned russia!!! NEVER FORGET !NEVER FORGIVE!And ther is only ONE solution!!! UNITY!!!! Unity , Prosperity, Glory and VICTORY! All the relatives consider theirselves relative or friend of TURKEY MUST be under the exact command under TURKEY ! Follow the only one LEADER :TURKEY ! Unity under the leadership of TURKEY !There is no other solution!
YourTurkishMaster 2 years ago
Caucasians are the ORIGIN of WHITE RACE!!!!!
ALL europeens,IARANIANS,.....are descendent of them!!!
OSSETIAN langage is classified as INDO-EUROPEEN ,IRANIAN branch;
GYPSIES are from different MIXTURE!!!!
GYPSIES are in CARPATIANS,HERE is CAUCASUS!!!!!!
MegaHitman666 2 years ago
رقصات جميلة جدا و محفزة للقفز و الحركة
الفرقة ممتازة اتمنى ان اشاهدها على الطبيعة في المسرح يوماً ما ..
أطيب التحيات من شخص فلسطيني يحب الشعب الشركسي كثيراً...
TheLuxerious 2 years ago
this is mixed with all circassian dances including leperuj(apsuva koşara),şeşen(chechen)..becuse the music suits very well on this dances,i think
donbettir 2 years ago
There is no Aosuva koshara here, and Leperife is not Apsua dance, it is Adighe dance Leperife means in our language leg kick, check again what is apsuva koshara, it is the known abkhaz dance what is called apsuva koshara, and there is Shshan here not sesen nor cecen it is Sh - horse, Shan - behavior in our language.
Sawserok 2 years ago
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Cuties10121 2 years ago
i hoping someone can answer this question for me...starting at 0:20 what dance are they doing. I'm circassian and i dance as well in the american group but im confused if they are doing a form of shashen or they are doing Abeeda Shashen style but playing it with kafkaze style pshina (accordian). Isn't it abeeda shashen their playing or was it abeeda playing the shashen her style and this is the original, im confused lol
budman62 3 years ago
first of all it is called "ShShan" not Shashen nor sheshen, ShShan means horse behavior or horse character in adyga language, because it is a dance based on a wild horse stomps and running, if someone is telling you something different they are shiting you.
Second, this music doesn't sound like Abeeda's work, or maybe it is but they fixed it different, maybe it is a renew.
Sawserok 3 years ago
Beautiful.
Vlahia2008 3 years ago
will done !
adigashapserclan 3 years ago
Super!!! WORAPSOW ADIGE
sinemKI 3 years ago
yasasın tam bagımsız abhazya
adigekarizma 4 years ago
allahına kurban sizlerin bravo süpersiniz...
adigekarizma 4 years ago
In Adyga language
we call it
ШЫ-ШЭН - horse behavior
the abadzekh used to call it
ШУ-ШЭН - horse man behavior (cavalry man)
some others call it
ШЫ-ЧЭН - horse run
Sawserok 4 years ago
Where can I download lots of this music?
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
YAW bizim milletinde dansıda bir başka oluyo yaaa. we are number one
adigafuri 4 years ago
*WORAPSOW ADIGE*
CeRkEzZeYnO 4 years ago
Other thing is about Kazakhs. In fact there is no Kazakh tribe of Russians or Turks. Kazakh name absolutely a trans-word from Adiga ancients and it was named Cossaks (Kosak) a great part of old Adigas. When Russians and some Turks came to Caucasia they claim this name as it was named for the territories for the mentioned Adyga part. Do not try to claim any tradition from North Caucasian. IT IS ABSOLUTELY PURE and ONLY BELONGS TO CAUCAS MOUNTAINS. Not other nomads.
kchallenging 4 years ago
so you say cossacks are adyga ppl?
strange claim don't you think?
Sawserok 4 years ago
These kind of dances don't belong to other than North Caucasian Nations. Someone try to claim Mongols, Kazakhs, Armenians used to has this kind of things. This is a pure fool. Especially North Caucasians owns it and other neighbours copies everything. Even this tradition had and has never been known by Mongolians or Armenians until they met North Caucasians.
kchallenging 4 years ago
HEY MARJE
adigebjk 4 years ago
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong, chechens don't dance like this.
Sawserok 4 years ago
could we please stop discussing unnecessary things?
upso.
Kabardey92 4 years ago
çok hoş
kenanzap21 4 years ago
süpersiniz yaaa
kenanzap21 4 years ago
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong!!!
Sawserok 4 years ago
Shouldn't be visiting youtube when drunk =P
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
and btw, I am not sure, but I think I got confused while replying to someones comment. My post was to another guy.. or not?! I just don't remember where I clicked =))
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
I love the dressing and the dance of a first guy.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong!!!
Sawserok 4 years ago
People they are not Cuacasions they are Turks that just stole it from Georgians
gio9988 4 years ago
loool you are the ones who live near turks!!
you are the ones who stole our customes!!
for instance the "kidnaping brides" in Adyga custome we never kidnap a girl without her aproval, it means we run together from the parents who don't want to marry us.
BUT you, kidnap her from the streets like barbarians!! and if she does not want to marry you rape her!!!, and you call yourselves honorable caucasian!!! loool
Sawserok 4 years ago
you coppied it from us, and you abused it for your sexual needs!!!
you make me sick!!!
Sawserok 4 years ago
Shouldn't be saying that if you don't know a thing about us, Caucasus people. + you don't know who stole whose customes.. why? because you were not there at a time so shut the fuck up. in addition, "stealing" is just taking a keeping something. while a culture DEVELOPS it develops on a line with cultures around them. That's why those who live near each other, have things in common in their language, national foods, dressings, musics and cultures in general.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
if you are an armanian, why the hell you interfere in a matter that is not yours?!
fuck off!! you persian waste!!
armaninas are not caucasian!!, you just say you are, but all ppl in the world say you are not caucasians. you are ASIANS!!!
Sawserok 4 years ago
I love lezginka. I love see my Balkar and Chechen friends dance it and I am trying to learn it as of now. Me being an Armenian doesn't have to do with any thing, it was just a part of my speech. Armenians are Caucasus as well as their traditions. You might not like it, but it is a fact.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
I don't even want spend time talking about the "Persian waste", as I think that this words have no point.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
And tell your balkar freinds, to stop telling lies about themselves being pure and native and ancient caucasian!!
they are a mixture too
Chechens are pure and natives they are caucasians!!!
Sawserok 4 years ago
yeah sure!! right!!, you dont got traditions like caucasians!! you dont got same customes, dammn even azeris are not caucasians anymore they are a mixture of races.
Sawserok 4 years ago
Jeee. After listening to you it seems that nobody is Caucasus accept Chechens. Well.. I guess you been there at all ages and you know more..
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
and btw, stealing a bride wasn't stolen from you..... Even Kazahs and Mongols stole their wives if they wanted, just as many other nations. Running away with a girl isn't purely your tradition too... In any country, any culture if a man wants to mary a girl and their parents are against it - they just take off... Shouldn't be considered a tradition at all, it is just the way it is.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
btw, you dont how it is, and it is a tradition, ask your chechen freinds, and stealing wives is not it, they simply call it "stealing" but i ain't, you simply dont know what you must do in order to take your loved one, it is not just run together, it gots rules
Sawserok 4 years ago
"stealing a bride" isn't literal, the bide is taken to the grooms failies house and the parents are told. This is done evn if the parents aprove. The bride and groom never meet untill after the wedding. It is and adyge tradittion not mongol.
AdigeShapsug 4 years ago
Listen bro, I didn't say it is a PURE Mongolian tradition. I am just saing that Mongols do it to. Kazahs used to do it too in the old day. Armenians do it, Dagestanians, Chechens, and so on. That's why I can't agree that it is PURELY Adyge tradition.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
I know what the rules are. I've never stolen a bride, but it isn't something new to me. As I know many brides that were stolen and people that stole.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
they might do it too, but adyge have been around before them all so they did it first and the others followed, the mongols learned when they tried to invade Kabarda, the others are all close to Circassia so they oicked it up.
AdigeShapsug 4 years ago
I see
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
or maybe it is we who picked it up, what makes you think that everything came from us? do you got proofs? only Adyga ego makes you think that way.
many asians kiddnap their brides, and you know that caucasus was a place for many invasions and many cultures, so maybe it is Mongol tradition after all, even the big fur hats we use, people from kirgistan use it too, and check old photos of adyga people who were wearing strange round an low fur hat and with no fur on the top of the hat, thats mongol
Sawserok 3 years ago
my friend, i do research on this subject. I have a book of files and documents from every source available. It has english sources, russian sources, turkish sources, german sources, and many other reliable sources from renouned schools and government investigations. As well as all of these, i have adige sources, the most important one because we are the only ones who know the full story. What do you have to back your statement?I would like to see it to learn( if possible), i am open fordiscusion
AdigeShapsug 3 years ago
then send me those documents, send me their links.
my statement is logic, caucasus was a place of many invaders from asia, so if we got some traditions like asians the most possible logic thing is caucasian learned from them, and check about the amazon thing too where does it come from
the question is that there are many sources too that show us as gipsy nation too, in these days you can't know what to belive too
Sawserok 3 years ago
Gypsy Nation!!! Adige is the purest races on earth!Nowadays we have many selfproclaimed enemies such as russia,georgia,turkey,the balkans. it is a shame. i will send you a few links but if you want more you can find them all through google. just type in circassain history history. you will get documents published by an englishman who was sent to circassia in 1800's to collect info on the circassians. he wrote a book "a year in circassia" or something like that. he explains the xabze and people
AdigeShapsug 3 years ago
as purer and ancient. he says they are good people and should be an ally of englands, eventhough circassia was a tradeing ally of englands, that is just one book and then there are letters from russian troops and generals during the war that say these good and strong people are doomed for the reason of not being russian...they generall mood of these letters is guilt,shame,and sadness from the Russian generals and troops...i will add a link
AdigeShapsug 3 years ago
there are many none-caucasians who live in caucasus, including : nogays, karachay-balkar, kumyks
Sawserok 4 years ago
Yes, I might not know about "running away" it was just my best guess based on common sense and what I know. It might be your nations tradition and I respect that, but calling me an Asian or Persian waste and non-Caucasus was just wrong and some other stuff that you said about Caucasus men.
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
ok, i was wring calling you persian waste, but all other things i have said are a fact and true, about the none-caucasians, and i am not saying this to offend, it is simply a fact
Sawserok 4 years ago
Turkish have their "Turkish Duduk". Duduk is an ancient Armenian instrument. early versions of it were made of a unique kind of plants that only grew on a territory of Armenia. Then they started to make it of Apricot trees. Turkish have their own kind of Duduks and the music style... Wouldn't really say they STOLE it.. They heard it.. they liked it... They started experiencing with Armenian Duduk and developed their own way of it... I as an Armenian have no problem with that..
ervandsarkisyan 4 years ago
to SAWSEROK, you are right, only adige can dance with as much grace,pride,beauty,skill,and culture. Worepsow Adiges!
AdigeShapsug 4 years ago
i am simply saying that many adiga ppl confuse with the word "Shishan" to "Chechen", and i think all kavkazian nations has their own beuty and culture, Adyga, Abkhaz, Chechen, Ingush, Georgian, Dagestanian, all of them are the greatest nations in the whole world!!!
Sawserok 4 years ago
that is true.
AdigeShapsug 4 years ago
People should know this, it is called SHISHAN not CHECHEN, "shishan" means in adyge language "horse behavior" that is the name of the dance because the dancers run like horses.
ppl think this is chechens dance because they call it chechen, and it is wrong, chechens don't dance like this.
Sawserok 4 years ago
2006 yazındaki turnede önce istanbulda izledim ardından ankaraya giderek ikincidefa izledim...
nalmese değer
muhteşemler
hjksmhkn 4 years ago
herzaman için dünyada bile gösterilecek tek isim nalmes ne balkaryası ne merkury si ne georgıa legendi :))))))
kazawat 4 years ago
incredible
bijnov 4 years ago