A painter uses existing materials like paint and a canvas to make a painting.
A builder uses existing materials like bricks and cement to make a building.
What materials did God use to make the universe? Did he make them from nothing? Isn't that, by your logic alone, impossible? Meanwhile, the completely paralyzed Hawking is sitting around and using his time to answer the question on the universes origin. That alone makes him better than Kirk Camoron.
@4:33 - "It's an extraordinary claim that require some extraordinary evidence"... right, like the "extraordinary evidence" to back up your Christian beliefs? You call your beliefs "reality", yet you present no evidence... yeah, stick to TV Kirk. :)
The Old Lady’s TORTOISE (Hinduism) and DRAGON (Taoism) are symbols for WAVE (energy), both are analog with MAGEN DAVID (Judaism). "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is the metaphor, and also similar with allegory of rituals Thawaf circling around the Ka'ba and Sa’i oscillating along “the sinus” Marwah-Shafa during the Hajj pilgrimage (Abraham). YIN-YANG: energy-particle . CROSS (Christian) and SWASTIKA (Buddhism) are symbols for “Balance of Nature.”
i understand why some people need to believe in a god. fear of the unknown. the universe is vast and wondrous. and also kind of scary when you think about how insignificant we are. religion allows you to cope with that insignificance. the price is that it dulls your senses to what is real. then the religion becomes more real for you than reality. sadly, some people are happy to live in that mental prison because it makes them feel safer. i can't and i won't. good luck to you on your journey:)
you guys dont even understand the depth behind what you speak so violently of, there are scientists who believe in a higher power that there is something more after you die.
u dont have to agree with what someone says but why is it that you have to be so closed minded about these things, yet you want people to listen to what you believe or should i say not believe in. the wind blows we dont see it yet we believe it. but yet you try to shut someone up who has faith.
@tanya25ish "the wind blows we dont see it yet we believe it" - Errrm. Yes we do. We have plenty of machines that see it quite clearly thank you very much. Guess what, we have machines that see quite clearly into places your god used to live, you know, amongst us, in the valley, above the clouds, in space. Everywhere we point our machines we not only do not see god but find that he would be a pretty stupid answer even if it was given....
soooo, in other words "sorry, i don't have any evidence":) preserved in history, hmm... kinda like zeus, mithras, ra, etc.etc..seems like these made the historical cut too...this god of yours seems to be just like every other god throughout history...imaginary... the sooner you take those blinders off, the closer to the truth you'll be
The suposed tree of life is speculation by scientiest who refuse to accept supernaturalistic causes. What we have observed is exactly what the Bible says, that life reproduces after it's own kind. The Bible wasn't The Bible until centuries after the historical accounts of Christ were written. When Constantine gathered the leaders of the local churches, he had all the atested writings combined into what is now the new testament. 4 accounts of Christ, & quite a few letters from eyewitness'
@michaelcaseykimball yes, scientists are pretty persnickety about having verifiable evidence for things they speculate about:) thats probably why they don't believe in supernatural things. no evidence. i can believe that Jesus was real and that he was a preacher of peace. you lose me on the supernatural part. again no verifiable evidence. the same stories have been told about many different god/gods- none verifiable. you may accept faith as proof...science needs evidence..so do i
@poptartmagicman This unspoken rule of no unnatralistic causes is narrow minded. Ive seen both sides of the arguement. What we have is competing multiple hypothesis & based on the present laws of nature (thermodynamics, entropy) the observable evidence is on creations side. Ive seen alot of bad science (Earnst Haekel, Piltdown, Nebraska man, denial of dino & man coexistance despite evidence) I respect Craig's creation but I wonder if he has any idea how it could create itself out of nothing.
@michaelcaseykimball you are a persistent one:) there is no "unspoken rule". if you have physical evidence of god's existence , please provide it...just saying "we're here, so there must be a god" is not proof...neither is "the bible says he's real so he is"...you are the one(s) saying there is a god...quit being lazy and prove it:)
Life reproduces after its own kind.Clams on top of Everest.As many stars as sand when thought to have only 2,400.Chariot parts under Red Sea. Jericho’s walls. Amarna Letters.Mernepta Stella.Taylor Prism.Cyrus Cylinder.Convincing evidence of resurrection for the explosion of Christianity despite fierce opposition.Aswered prayer & demonic possesion. Im not saying stop looking at evidence.Look at it from both points of view, not through a narrow biased interpretation.Rule not unspoken, it just is
@michaelcaseykimball you probably don't think everest could have been at the bottom of the sea 6000 yrs ago...and you would be right. in the more likely millions of years ago it would have been, and poof. clams on everest. have you ever took actual statistics of answered prayers/unanswered? i.m betting on a batting avg of .500 or less. kinda like random chance:) as for demons, if you can catch one for study. science can then find out how to keep them from entering our realm. maybe more:)
@poptartmagicman I lean toward Walt Browns" hydroplate theory" as more likely. You can cheeck it out on youtube. Polonium halos in granite is evidence granite was never a hot molten mass. halos.com Specified Info like in DNA/RNA always comes from intelligence. Millions of years is dating based on what? To me there is compelling evidence that decay rates differ before the flood. Hmm one of my post are missing. Anyway. Happy Independance Day.
@michaelcaseykimball there are many scientists in every related field that have studied these issues in depth. an overwhelming majority don't agree with your interpretations. who is more likely to be wrong? i make it a rule to never argue scriptures with pastors, or science with scientists. if they've spent a majority of their life studying their field. they'll know more than you or i do. if most scientists say the earth is 4.6 b yrs. then it most likely is...happy independence day to you
@poptartmagicmanYes Persistent to those who seem to love truth. A majority doesn’t determine truth.Modern Scientist are raised with a notion that super-naturalistic causes is bad science. I look at the evidence, listen to the arguments, conclude. God wins. Scientist dismiss the argument before it’s heard. No matter their education they separate themselves, calling by interpretation religion. Many just follow suit, repeating what they learn. Ever seen the movie Expelled-No intelligence allowed?
@michaelcaseykimball a majority of scientists have a lot more to say than a minority of laymen. supernatural is bad science because there is no proof.none... in your science paper, god is the hypothesis and the conclusion. so how could he not win? science doesn't hate religion. it questions it. then determines if its answers are logical or not. so far they're not. yep, saw it. rotten tomatoes.com's reviews say it better than i could...lost a lot of respect for ben stein with that movie
@poptartmagicman No proof of life from non-life. no proof that humans and animals produce beyond their kind. Majority doesnt determine truth. A site like rotten tomatoes doesn't have the credentials to recognize what's up with the science world. True Expelled is a little over dramatized and I dont believe its hate, but it's definately dismisal without hearing any scientific explanation.Good Science should be open to any explaination & the one with the least contradictions to facts wins.
@michaelcaseykimball i agree that science doesn't have all the answers yet. science doesn't have a book that provides all that we need to know :) expelled is like all apologetics, it uses deception to get to the "truth".. why do proclaimers of "truth" need to do this? the theory of evolution holds up to all the evidence we have..and there is bunches..just like the theory of relativity, gravity, electromagnetism,etc...if you can prove it wrong..do it! so far no one has..thats science
@poptartmagicman As for the stories. I dont know of any other group of people claiming to have witnesssed a resurection from the dead. No Habeas Corpus in the midst of government oposition. Mohomed claimed to have spoken to an angel. He dictated the Quran. Jesus didn't write a word. Several Eyewitness' documented what they saw. Eastern mysticist may have wisdon through experiance but have no clue how it began or where they will go. Spiritism isn't denied by Christianity but warned about.
Appearently Craig is a guy who sequenced his own already created DNA. One could probably mix and match HUMAN DNA, which I see could be pretty useful, but isn't the same as creating DNA nor is it the same as one kind of animal becoming another. The Bible states that plant, animals and humans reproduce after their own kind with no observational exceptions, so the Bible is a reliable source. Especially Historically.
@michaelcaseykimball he also created a synthetic cell...pretty amazing stuff, i agree...and yes..an elephant doesn't come from a mouse:) but if you go back far enough in the family tree of life, they had a common ancestor...science has proven this..the bible says a lot of things...some good, some bad, some downright crazy IMO..take it for what it is...a book of one religions guide to the universe... the Romans had one, Greeks have one, Muslims have one, so do the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc...
Wow I love reading all the anti-post on here. Your all searching for something bigger then ourselves. Jesus is the way, truth and the light of life. Please think about accepting him as lord of your life. If you don't you are following a foof down the road to a devils hell.
@StrictThorn12 -i agree that we all want to know the truth of existence..i just don't believe your truth...it has no evidence for me to judge...the bible is a cobbled together piece of literature that is not "proof" of anything...while there are nuggets of wisdom in it...there is also inhumane barbarity...it is exactly the kind of literature that would of come from that time...so, just maybe, the foolishness is on your part...please think about that
@michaelcaseykimball yes, but neither does scientific ignorance...the science's have improved our existence far more than religion ever has...faith is a poor substitute for knowledge...
@poptartmagicman Christian: Lois Pasteur. The law of biogenises: life has never come from non-life. There is no observational proof otherwise . Nor does one kind of animal become a completely different kind of animal. However, there were quite a few people who observed a man get crucified and come back to life. So much so that they gave up prestigious positions to die for this truth. The Explosion of Christianity in the midst of violent opposition was about Truth, not religion.
@michaelcaseykimball here's some study material for ya. you need to catch up.. biogenisis...google 1.) j craig venter: designing life...2.) evolution.....1rst page of course is wikipedia-please pay particular attention to the term "speciation"-alot of people were crucified in those times.the only reports of one particular man getting crucified and coming back to life that i am aware of come from the bible..how convenient 3.) Historicity of Jesus...keep reading and the truth will set you free
@michaelcaseykimball IQ usually equals results. What you and Kirk Cameron call truth falls within the realm of faith. Hardly what I would call truth. Join the real world brother, I welcome you with open arms.
@zach9899 Yes he can. This temperary world was made with a purpose, with both good and evil so you can make a choice. He doesnt want to twist your arm into a perfect world of truth and love and values. He gave us this world with enough evidence to find Him if you seek Him and enough silence that you can listen to deception and reject Him if you so desire.
@michaelcaseykimball Actually I don't think he can because if he could have created a universe so perfect that he wouldn't have to destroy it with a flood and he didn't, than that would make the God of the Bible and evil God. Would it not? So I think we have to assume that God had no choice but to create this imperfect creation which he would end up wiping out in a flood.
@zach9899 The God of the Bible gave you freedom in this temperary world to either choose or reject Him. The creator of this world is fully capable of creating a perfect world where those who choose Him over their own selfish desire, & over the evil deceptions of others, truely find Him, fully recognizing the marks He's made in His-story, fully recognizing the love behind His comandments, knowing that He came, died 4 us & is coming back to judge evil & ignorance & reward those who chose Him.
@michaelcaseykimball This all makes perfect sense until you throw in the part about God dying. God can't die. That would mean that for however long he is dead, there is no God.
4:23 It's simply a belief that the universe has always existed. 5:21 Why not avoid tying yourself to either belief and do your research and see where your beliefs go. Belief in the strictest sense is not a choice. 6:17 Sure effects have causes. But who says the universe is an effect? 9:18 God keeps your dog from biting people because you're Christian? 11:40 Nine commandments, and one suggestion about the Sabbath. Right? Just pick one day of the week and you're good. Am I right?
Illogical irrational world view HA! I am not the one who gets his views opinions from a book writtten by bronze age desert dwellers. I love it how Kirk Cameron thinks he is smarter than Stephen Hawking.
@pecky143 WOW really!!?? How many cures from sickness, vaccines, great feats of engineering and other sciences come from the clergy? You never hear about Kenneth Copland or Pat Robertson developing a new vaccine or launching a space ship. There was a time when most everyone thought the clergy was smarter than science. It was way back in the dark ages.
Man was created (from star dust evolution or from God blowing breath of life unto star dust) and because he was created his poor little brain cannot conceive of un-created just as man is having a really hard time explaining "dark matter" -- The upper level postulations by both Christians and Scientists at present cannot be proven. On a day to day, however, science is giving us more useful discoveries and for some reason all miracles stopped 2000 years ago (the big ones) during the dark ages
i dont understand like in the video that how people such as atheist can deny the word of god and say that its not real and its just some make beleive guy that people just make up as an excuse but i dont think that im a faithful christian and this video shows how ignorant and disbelieving people can be i think that they are just trying to deny what is right
Don't take this the wrong way. But I think you need to do some more exploration on the subject. Disbelieving isn't being close minded and ignorant. Unquestioning faith is being constricted to ancient ideas.
Most of you atheists continue to prove my point. Just look at these comments from atheists, and you will see that most of them are angry and upset or they resort to name calling. But what is really strange, is that they are all commenting on a Christian channel. It just doesn't make sense for atheists to get so upset about God, when they don't even believe in Him.
@eichoob2105 Absolutely right, and though I don't speak for the atheist community, I would love to have a mature, intelligent debate with you if you should ever feel like it.
Since when is a duty of people to prove that God does NOT exist? Prove me that it exists.
You want to believe it exists, it's fine, it's called faith and I have no problem with that, but trying to convince people that God exists because you can't prove that it doesn't, it's like believing in ghosts (or fairies).
People actually listen to these guys... ? When someone says that something "unfalsifiable" does not exist, that does NOT require faith. Would you consider it faith to say smurfs do not exist? Faith is only evoked when someone cannot PROVE something and yet believes it. Faith by definition is a belief with doubt, because of no evidence. Blind faith however is a belief without evidence and no doubt. Blind faith, to me, is the definition of mentally removed, and not in touch with reallity.
Christians simply get back what they put out, contempt. The biggest lie ever told is that Christianity is about love and tolerance. For 2000 years there has been no evidence that it's true. American Christianity would fall apart at the seams if they ever stopped inventing boggy men to hate. Blacks, Jews, Catholics, feminists have all had their turn, now it's Gays and "liberals". When they lose this fight, as they always do, they'll find another to keep the flock scared and money pouring in
@stephjh2006 I personally know Christians that are very nice and loving people but generally it has nothing to do with their religion. I'd say it's because they are tolerant people who are as they are despite what they hear on from the pulpit on Sunday.
Kirk Cameron was wrong and out of line when he said of Hawking " "To say anything negative about Stephen Hawking is like bullying a blind man. He has an unfair disadvantage, and that gives him a free pass on some of his absurd idea "
There was no need to refer to Hawkings disability, which i am pretty sure is what Cameron meant. What he said should have been focused on not his disability.
I just read the newspaper article on what he said. Sorry but i think that is disrespectful.Just my opinion
Here's the way I see it: The teachings of Christianity are good. Love thy neighbor, help the poor and needy, thou shall not kill, etc. Christians themselves might set a bad example and tarnish the name of Jesus in their actions but please don't let these bad examples ruin your view of the religion itself. There have been Christians who have set great examples such as Mother Theresa. But Christians are merely people, and we all make mistakes. Don't let our shortcomings defile Jesus' name.
@impasse0124 You r right friend, many good people exist, but there r also good people in other faiths & with no faith. Faith is irrelevant to morallity. In fact, I could easily argue that the motrality of the bible is, compared to contemporary times, sadistic & primitive. Remember it was chrisitanity who added the concept of original sin, which in my opinion is an absolute perversion of humanity... born broken. Jesus' teachings were not even new. Confucious said the same things 500 years prior.
@thewayofthemaster I would define good as those values that permit development & the pursuit of happiness for all, without infringing on one anothers inalienable rights. I base it on contemporary civilized societal standards - modern morality. The morality of the bible, & any ancient text, is both a contradiction to contemporary values & primitive in its scope - tribal. Any book that provides recommendations on how to treat your slaves & when to kill another person, is barbaric & "not good."
@kailabreece Is this definition for you only or should everyone adhere to it? And why? Also, you didn't explain what "modern morality" is. Since murder, rape, and essentially our prison population is up compared to any point in this country's history, why are you using today's morals as the standard? What about abortion and homosexuality? The country is split on these issues. Which side is right?
@thewayofthemaster This defintion is mine. I'm pretty sure that was your question, for ME to define it. As for other people adhering to it, most civilized socities do. Modern morality cannot b defined. It isn't black & white. That would b 2 simple. People like yourself wish things were simple, but they aren't. As 4 homosexuality & abortion, omg. Homosexuality is not evil, & is as natural as any genetic variant. Abortion, well, that is just non-sense. If u want to end abortion, teach safe sex.
@thewayofthemaster My friend. U pretend ur religion teaches love, yet the vast majority of BOTH books r stories of violence, hate & judgement. Modern morality has EVOLVED passed primitive ritual worship & laws passed down from an invisible dictator. We have tossed out slavery & the stoning of people. Most civilized countries do not even have death penalties, yet the most religious nations cling to that, why? Why is "do not kill" not as important as "no other god?" Religion is a tribal mentality.
@kailabreece All I'm trying to do with this discussion is show you that your morality stops at you. It's solely determined by your whim and you have no authority or right to put it on to anyone else since you're making it up as you see fit. It's basically your opinion.
@thewayofthemaster You make 'free will' sound dangerous yet you attest to it being given to humankind by the god you believe created us. We have free will, of a sort, and we need it. How do you judge the morality you take from the bible? How do you know it's right? Religion has people all over the world believing that a prescribed morality is absolute. How do you know which god, which book or which church has the 'right' morality, or interpretation of it. Because you HAVE morality, just like me.
@thewayofthemaster I'm well aware of what u r trying to do. You're trying to say my morality is merely a personal (mortal) one, while yours is divinely inspired by an imaginary being (who murders women and children). Please. The church & ALL religions have created morality the same way I have, through cultural evolution & a natural awareness to reallity. You need to read more than one book friend. It's basic anthropology. The reallity is absolute morality does not exist, we define good & bad.
@thewayofthemaster We need no longer talk friend. You are too far removed from reallity to understand the natural order of the universe and your place within it. Be well. Have fun in heaven.
@kailabreece its a shame you no longer want to talk when the focus comes back to you. To say that we define good and bad is true; but our definition of good and bad can be severely misguided, because we can be misguided. That is why God gave us a standard, a benchmark-the 10 commandments. If you are still willing to continue in a reasonable and respectful discussion without resorting to derogatory comments about my mental capacity, can I ask what is your standard for definition of good and bad?
@rooker5 I can certainly be friendly & carry a coversation friend, but why, u believe in an invisible being who defines right & wrong & yet breaks his own commandments by commanding murder & committing murder itself. 2 give u a short answer, a standard for morality is founded within 1st world civilized societal law. If bad was truely to covet, we'd b in trouble living in a capitalistic society. We r founded on coveting. I dont think ur dumb, i just think fundamentlaists compartmentalize thought.
@kailabreece, thank you for continuing in friendly conversation :) it is pretty rare in these sort of topics.
In your answer "a standard for morality is founded within 1st world civilized societal law." ; does that mean that you take your standard for defining morality from this? If so do need societal law to affirm to you what is right or wrong?Also do you know where the basis of 1st world societal laws originated from?
@rooker5 As for fundamentalist compartmentalizing thought, I would say that everyone compartmentalizes thought, even you. Is that bad, well the Good News I received tells me that you are my neighbour and to love you as myself. But it goes further than that, if you are my enemy I show you love and bless you.
I haven't compartmentalized these teachings, they have been internalized. You cannot compartmentalize and separate a change of nature. We become a new creature and have the mind of Christ.
@rooker5 about why I believe in a 'invisible being who defines right & wrong & yet breaks his own commandments by commanding murder & committing murder itself.'
Well this is loaded with assumptions and creates a scenario where I would have to begin to defend myself and the Character and Attributes of God which is not needed yet because the fundamental question is do you even believe in some form of spirituality? I am not dodging the question just finding a common ground to carry on discussion:)
@xryanxdmnd Angels are in heaven, and the bible says that if your eyes are not opned by God, you will not see them either. Yet when one of the prophets prayed for another person's eyes to be opened that he might see the angels, God granted that prayer and he opened his eyes and he could see the angels that are always around us. So long as you avoid the spiritual life, you cannot see it.
I have read the whole Bible. You naive people just prove it to me over and over. You change my words to what you want all the time.. Grow up and stop believing in fantasy.
@rich3925 u use ur science to make something out of nothing then have that nothing explode and create everything and create order(btw explosions don't create order) and read the bible, then I think we can talk :)
I really wish Kirk wouldn't have contradicted himself in this episode :(
saddens me. But I will be praying for him and all of the Way of the Master.. You guys aren't hearing what you really sound like. If I was not a believer with the Spirit of truth abiding in me, and believed you,I would be walking away and not listening to another preacher because I would think I have to just wait and see if God was going to pick me. Not very hopeful.
All religious narcicism makes me sick. I'll take science over fantasy any day. The Bible is a book written by human beings before they even knew about dinosaurs, pre-historic man and that the earth was round. There are many religions. It just depends where you lived and what your parents taught you. People need religion to keep them in line and think there is a place to go when they die. Time never started and will never end. Matter can't be created or destroyed. It only changes. Religions kill.
@rick3925 1st thing have u even read the Bible? im so sick of people saying the same talking points but dont know whats in the book. Next theres something different about the Bible, all book "writing by man" is always to promote one self or something or someone else, but the Bible doesnt, it promotes humility and submitting yourself to ur maker, a love story about how God has redeemed man from our sin. Sin is destrutive and the world is better without it.
@rick3925 I would not want to live in a world thats not "inline" every1 has something inside them that tells them what is right and wrong, do u think its "religion" that that lets u know murder is bad? No
If Christians are wrong, what do they have to lose? Nothing. If athiests, agnostics, unbelievers are wrong, what do they have to lose? Their soul for all eternity. It never ends. Eternal suffering and torment forever. For me I'll choose the former, thank God for my saviour Jesus Christ!
@pidmom but what if Allah is the real god? then you'd be equally screwed. Point is, it's impossible to know which of the hundreds of gods it the real one, and you might lose time, money etc. praying to the wrong one and still get the unpleasant treatment.
When a scientist says something unknowable such as God doesn't exist, they're basically saying they know it all and their minds are closed to any new information on the matter.
Does anyone really believe in this stuff? If so, are you willing to discuss your beliefs with an atheist (me)? I'm just curious to see how you people think.
So, where is your evidence of god. You only ask for evidence from others, but rely on magic when asked for your own proofs. You people are the insane and the conmen who make their living by screwing over the gullible. Sick.
Cameron: "it's an extraordinary claim" that the universe came from nothing and "therefore requires extraordinary evidence". But the extraordinary claim that god does exist doesn't require any evidence. Again magic.
The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
*facepalms at Kirk* How many times must we tell you this, guys? Evolution is not unfounded, it is not a belief system, it requires no rituals and it has no dogmatic tenants. By any honest definition of both Religion and Evolution, Evolution is not a religion. Plus, evolution is what we came up with AFTER we did investigation. Evolution has something called "evidence" backing it up.
What honest investigation did you do before you became a Christian? Ray's good-person test?
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible Heb, 11:3
So the universe was form from the invisible, Nothing is not Nothing, Nothing is the prime material of God, He can do anything out of nothing! So the atheist got it right, Finally they are in agreement with the Bible!
I've noticed something about most atheists I've encountered. You all seem to share a hatred for others and you are always so angry. If you don't believe in God, then that's fine, but why are you on here spewing hate at those who do believe in God. It just amazes me how angry you people get over a God you say doesn't even exist.
@eichoob2105 That hasn't been my experience with my fellow atheists. I have met others, like myself, who keep their beliefs to themselves, or at least proclaim them but not necessarily argue with those that disagree. I've declined such "debates" because such arguments stem from someone's lack of confidence. There's certainly more to life than debating it.
@fcdog555 I never once said that I was all high and mighty. I'm simply speaking off of my personal experience when dealing with atheists. Also, if you have ever met a person who claimed that they were a Christian, and they said that they hated anyone for any reason, then they are not True Children of God. I can say that I'm a vegetarian, but if I go to Outback Steakhouse everyday and eat a slab of ribs and steak, then obviously I wouldn't really be a vegetarian.
@eichoob2105 Okay fair enough. So I take it that you accept slavery right? I mean it strictly states in the new testament that slavery is okay. And it does not once say slavery is bad.
So either the Christians I mentioned are "True Children of God," or you are not one of his true children either:p
@eichoob2105 What.... you can't do your own research??? There are millions and you want me to name them??? Try reading the Bible... Oh i see... you have. lol Hope your version works out for ya, not likely though... very sad!!!
And you may ask why I am here looking at a video like this...
The answer is: Because I was interested in why Kirk Cameron would slag off Doctor Hawking. Especially due to the fact that in every one of his books he has been very careful to say that science and quantum theory do not preclude a god or gods.
Stephen Hawking may have said that there is no such physical place as a heaven, but as I stated, if you read through A Brief History of Time, you will find multiple mentions and references to the fact that a god may have done this...
Strange that this program would actually attack one of their greatest proponents in the scientific community.
It just goes to show they should do more research and less reacting.
@eichoob2105 says he that his religion has killed around 3-5000 people for the spanish inquisition, says he who's religion burned "witches", says he who's religion who's millions died from the crusades, says he who's religion burns korans due to religious conflict. You can say all you want, but I think you'll find that we Atheists sit on the sidelines whilst religions just go around killing people and having hatred for others for not having their beliefs, most atheists are really quite nice.
@eichoob2105 Atheists get annoyed because they are always told they are going to hell if they don't believe. Yet there is no evidence for God or for hell.
Because people of faith i.e. Christians try to force their beliefs on other people such as Government and science. We have no problem with your god we have problems with the people who act on your gods behave.
@eichoob2105 nobody gets angry over God, at best it's in the way that you dislike, say, the bad (fictional) characters from Disney. They get angry over people, for example, when priests from Uganda support the stoning of homosexuals overseas, or when creationism is reintroduced as formal education in several states, or when the Westboro Baptist Church grab their signs again, or when religion involves itself in politics again, or when the whole Catholic Church... you get the idea.
@CrapAttack42 Then they are claiming to be Christians, and not actually Christian. To be Christian is to follow the teachings of Jesus, and if they hate you then they aren't following the teachings.
@eichoob2105 I have also noticed that most theists get angry when speaking to atheists. So the feeling is contrary.
Also you know when a car crashes or a train derails or when Rebecca Black or Britney Spears bring out a song and everyone wants to see it or hear it besides knowing it's wrong or bad? Yeah, that my dear person who likes to offend and generalize and stereotype, is what theism and deism is to atheists. It's just too good not to comment on and watch the train wreck crash.
@eichoob2105 Atheists have a reason to be angry. the church treats them like naive children, saying "if you ignore them, they will go away" . actual fact is the USA is the one of the only countries in the G20 that has more Christian people than Atheists
@eichoob2105 The issue is not that most of us are bothered by the fact that people believe in god, the issue lies in how the things that christians believe effect us. Many christians in the US want abortion to be illegal, evolution taken out of schools, gay marriage banned, and stem cell research stopped. It is hard to live without some form of faith in your life I am sure. But why must you be so arrogant and confident about something you would have to be admittedly ignorant to believe?
God creating the universe is unscientific, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" Also is Doctor Hawking!!!! he has a PHD. :D
Spaceman2451 2 months ago
A painter uses existing materials like paint and a canvas to make a painting.
A builder uses existing materials like bricks and cement to make a building.
What materials did God use to make the universe? Did he make them from nothing? Isn't that, by your logic alone, impossible? Meanwhile, the completely paralyzed Hawking is sitting around and using his time to answer the question on the universes origin. That alone makes him better than Kirk Camoron.
alienisuntverus 4 months ago
@4:33 - "It's an extraordinary claim that require some extraordinary evidence"... right, like the "extraordinary evidence" to back up your Christian beliefs? You call your beliefs "reality", yet you present no evidence... yeah, stick to TV Kirk. :)
Task5003 4 months ago
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GOD - Philosophia Perennis and Science.
The Old Lady’s TORTOISE (Hinduism) and DRAGON (Taoism) are symbols for WAVE (energy), both are analog with MAGEN DAVID (Judaism). "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is the metaphor, and also similar with allegory of rituals Thawaf circling around the Ka'ba and Sa’i oscillating along “the sinus” Marwah-Shafa during the Hajj pilgrimage (Abraham). YIN-YANG: energy-particle . CROSS (Christian) and SWASTIKA (Buddhism) are symbols for “Balance of Nature.”
TatoSugiarto 6 months ago
This was a great episode =)
JessaMesss 6 months ago
i understand why some people need to believe in a god. fear of the unknown. the universe is vast and wondrous. and also kind of scary when you think about how insignificant we are. religion allows you to cope with that insignificance. the price is that it dulls your senses to what is real. then the religion becomes more real for you than reality. sadly, some people are happy to live in that mental prison because it makes them feel safer. i can't and i won't. good luck to you on your journey:)
poptartmagicman 7 months ago
you guys dont even understand the depth behind what you speak so violently of, there are scientists who believe in a higher power that there is something more after you die.
u dont have to agree with what someone says but why is it that you have to be so closed minded about these things, yet you want people to listen to what you believe or should i say not believe in. the wind blows we dont see it yet we believe it. but yet you try to shut someone up who has faith.
tanya25ish 7 months ago
@tanya25ish "the wind blows we dont see it yet we believe it" - Errrm. Yes we do. We have plenty of machines that see it quite clearly thank you very much. Guess what, we have machines that see quite clearly into places your god used to live, you know, amongst us, in the valley, above the clouds, in space. Everywhere we point our machines we not only do not see god but find that he would be a pretty stupid answer even if it was given....
TheSpankymonkey 6 months ago
soooo, in other words "sorry, i don't have any evidence":) preserved in history, hmm... kinda like zeus, mithras, ra, etc.etc..seems like these made the historical cut too...this god of yours seems to be just like every other god throughout history...imaginary... the sooner you take those blinders off, the closer to the truth you'll be
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
The suposed tree of life is speculation by scientiest who refuse to accept supernaturalistic causes. What we have observed is exactly what the Bible says, that life reproduces after it's own kind. The Bible wasn't The Bible until centuries after the historical accounts of Christ were written. When Constantine gathered the leaders of the local churches, he had all the atested writings combined into what is now the new testament. 4 accounts of Christ, & quite a few letters from eyewitness'
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball yes, scientists are pretty persnickety about having verifiable evidence for things they speculate about:) thats probably why they don't believe in supernatural things. no evidence. i can believe that Jesus was real and that he was a preacher of peace. you lose me on the supernatural part. again no verifiable evidence. the same stories have been told about many different god/gods- none verifiable. you may accept faith as proof...science needs evidence..so do i
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
@poptartmagicman This unspoken rule of no unnatralistic causes is narrow minded. Ive seen both sides of the arguement. What we have is competing multiple hypothesis & based on the present laws of nature (thermodynamics, entropy) the observable evidence is on creations side. Ive seen alot of bad science (Earnst Haekel, Piltdown, Nebraska man, denial of dino & man coexistance despite evidence) I respect Craig's creation but I wonder if he has any idea how it could create itself out of nothing.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball you are a persistent one:) there is no "unspoken rule". if you have physical evidence of god's existence , please provide it...just saying "we're here, so there must be a god" is not proof...neither is "the bible says he's real so he is"...you are the one(s) saying there is a god...quit being lazy and prove it:)
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
Life reproduces after its own kind.Clams on top of Everest.As many stars as sand when thought to have only 2,400.Chariot parts under Red Sea. Jericho’s walls. Amarna Letters.Mernepta Stella.Taylor Prism.Cyrus Cylinder.Convincing evidence of resurrection for the explosion of Christianity despite fierce opposition.Aswered prayer & demonic possesion. Im not saying stop looking at evidence.Look at it from both points of view, not through a narrow biased interpretation.Rule not unspoken, it just is
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball you probably don't think everest could have been at the bottom of the sea 6000 yrs ago...and you would be right. in the more likely millions of years ago it would have been, and poof. clams on everest. have you ever took actual statistics of answered prayers/unanswered? i.m betting on a batting avg of .500 or less. kinda like random chance:) as for demons, if you can catch one for study. science can then find out how to keep them from entering our realm. maybe more:)
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
@poptartmagicman I lean toward Walt Browns" hydroplate theory" as more likely. You can cheeck it out on youtube. Polonium halos in granite is evidence granite was never a hot molten mass. halos.com Specified Info like in DNA/RNA always comes from intelligence. Millions of years is dating based on what? To me there is compelling evidence that decay rates differ before the flood. Hmm one of my post are missing. Anyway. Happy Independance Day.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball there are many scientists in every related field that have studied these issues in depth. an overwhelming majority don't agree with your interpretations. who is more likely to be wrong? i make it a rule to never argue scriptures with pastors, or science with scientists. if they've spent a majority of their life studying their field. they'll know more than you or i do. if most scientists say the earth is 4.6 b yrs. then it most likely is...happy independence day to you
poptartmagicman 7 months ago
@poptartmagicmanYes Persistent to those who seem to love truth. A majority doesn’t determine truth.Modern Scientist are raised with a notion that super-naturalistic causes is bad science. I look at the evidence, listen to the arguments, conclude. God wins. Scientist dismiss the argument before it’s heard. No matter their education they separate themselves, calling by interpretation religion. Many just follow suit, repeating what they learn. Ever seen the movie Expelled-No intelligence allowed?
michaelcaseykimball 7 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball a majority of scientists have a lot more to say than a minority of laymen. supernatural is bad science because there is no proof.none... in your science paper, god is the hypothesis and the conclusion. so how could he not win? science doesn't hate religion. it questions it. then determines if its answers are logical or not. so far they're not. yep, saw it. rotten tomatoes.com's reviews say it better than i could...lost a lot of respect for ben stein with that movie
poptartmagicman 7 months ago
@poptartmagicman No proof of life from non-life. no proof that humans and animals produce beyond their kind. Majority doesnt determine truth. A site like rotten tomatoes doesn't have the credentials to recognize what's up with the science world. True Expelled is a little over dramatized and I dont believe its hate, but it's definately dismisal without hearing any scientific explanation.Good Science should be open to any explaination & the one with the least contradictions to facts wins.
michaelcaseykimball 7 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball i agree that science doesn't have all the answers yet. science doesn't have a book that provides all that we need to know :) expelled is like all apologetics, it uses deception to get to the "truth".. why do proclaimers of "truth" need to do this? the theory of evolution holds up to all the evidence we have..and there is bunches..just like the theory of relativity, gravity, electromagnetism,etc...if you can prove it wrong..do it! so far no one has..thats science
poptartmagicman 7 months ago
@poptartmagicman As for the stories. I dont know of any other group of people claiming to have witnesssed a resurection from the dead. No Habeas Corpus in the midst of government oposition. Mohomed claimed to have spoken to an angel. He dictated the Quran. Jesus didn't write a word. Several Eyewitness' documented what they saw. Eastern mysticist may have wisdon through experiance but have no clue how it began or where they will go. Spiritism isn't denied by Christianity but warned about.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
Appearently Craig is a guy who sequenced his own already created DNA. One could probably mix and match HUMAN DNA, which I see could be pretty useful, but isn't the same as creating DNA nor is it the same as one kind of animal becoming another. The Bible states that plant, animals and humans reproduce after their own kind with no observational exceptions, so the Bible is a reliable source. Especially Historically.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball he also created a synthetic cell...pretty amazing stuff, i agree...and yes..an elephant doesn't come from a mouse:) but if you go back far enough in the family tree of life, they had a common ancestor...science has proven this..the bible says a lot of things...some good, some bad, some downright crazy IMO..take it for what it is...a book of one religions guide to the universe... the Romans had one, Greeks have one, Muslims have one, so do the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc...
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
Wow I love reading all the anti-post on here. Your all searching for something bigger then ourselves. Jesus is the way, truth and the light of life. Please think about accepting him as lord of your life. If you don't you are following a foof down the road to a devils hell.
StrictThorn12 8 months ago
@StrictThorn12 -i agree that we all want to know the truth of existence..i just don't believe your truth...it has no evidence for me to judge...the bible is a cobbled together piece of literature that is not "proof" of anything...while there are nuggets of wisdom in it...there is also inhumane barbarity...it is exactly the kind of literature that would of come from that time...so, just maybe, the foolishness is on your part...please think about that
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
i would be surprised if everyone of these guys IQs' in total would be close to Stephen Hawking's...
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
@poptartmagicman IQ doesn't equal truth.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball yes, but neither does scientific ignorance...the science's have improved our existence far more than religion ever has...faith is a poor substitute for knowledge...
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
@poptartmagicman Christian: Lois Pasteur. The law of biogenises: life has never come from non-life. There is no observational proof otherwise . Nor does one kind of animal become a completely different kind of animal. However, there were quite a few people who observed a man get crucified and come back to life. So much so that they gave up prestigious positions to die for this truth. The Explosion of Christianity in the midst of violent opposition was about Truth, not religion.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball here's some study material for ya. you need to catch up.. biogenisis...google 1.) j craig venter: designing life...2.) evolution.....1rst page of course is wikipedia-please pay particular attention to the term "speciation"-alot of people were crucified in those times.the only reports of one particular man getting crucified and coming back to life that i am aware of come from the bible..how convenient 3.) Historicity of Jesus...keep reading and the truth will set you free
poptartmagicman 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball IQ usually equals results. What you and Kirk Cameron call truth falls within the realm of faith. Hardly what I would call truth. Join the real world brother, I welcome you with open arms.
sergeantrex 6 months ago
Plural of Moose is still Moose
YPCExchange 8 months ago
24:15 Can God make a creation so perfectly that he won't have to wipe it out with a flood and start over?
zach9899 9 months ago
@zach9899 Yes he can. This temperary world was made with a purpose, with both good and evil so you can make a choice. He doesnt want to twist your arm into a perfect world of truth and love and values. He gave us this world with enough evidence to find Him if you seek Him and enough silence that you can listen to deception and reject Him if you so desire.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball Actually I don't think he can because if he could have created a universe so perfect that he wouldn't have to destroy it with a flood and he didn't, than that would make the God of the Bible and evil God. Would it not? So I think we have to assume that God had no choice but to create this imperfect creation which he would end up wiping out in a flood.
zach9899 8 months ago
@zach9899 The God of the Bible gave you freedom in this temperary world to either choose or reject Him. The creator of this world is fully capable of creating a perfect world where those who choose Him over their own selfish desire, & over the evil deceptions of others, truely find Him, fully recognizing the marks He's made in His-story, fully recognizing the love behind His comandments, knowing that He came, died 4 us & is coming back to judge evil & ignorance & reward those who chose Him.
michaelcaseykimball 8 months ago
@michaelcaseykimball This all makes perfect sense until you throw in the part about God dying. God can't die. That would mean that for however long he is dead, there is no God.
zach9899 8 months ago
4:23 It's simply a belief that the universe has always existed. 5:21 Why not avoid tying yourself to either belief and do your research and see where your beliefs go. Belief in the strictest sense is not a choice. 6:17 Sure effects have causes. But who says the universe is an effect? 9:18 God keeps your dog from biting people because you're Christian? 11:40 Nine commandments, and one suggestion about the Sabbath. Right? Just pick one day of the week and you're good. Am I right?
zach9899 9 months ago
Illogical irrational world view HA! I am not the one who gets his views opinions from a book writtten by bronze age desert dwellers. I love it how Kirk Cameron thinks he is smarter than Stephen Hawking.
sergeantrex 9 months ago 12
@sergeantrex agreed. washed up television actor from growing pains or lucasian professor of mathematics at cambridge university... hmm, no contest.
insan0die 9 months ago 16
@sergeantrex Yeah well I'm not the one who believes that life came from non-life, which defies the Scientific law of Biogenesis.
Domodeath 8 months ago
@Domodeath You don't understand the basics of science. Laws are found in physics Biogenesis is a principle not a law.
sergeantrex 7 months ago
@sergeantrex He IS smarter than Stephen Hawking-- He has been given the Holy Spirit.
pecky143 6 months ago 2
@pecky143 ex: go 11:00 in
pecky143 6 months ago
@pecky143 WOW really!!?? How many cures from sickness, vaccines, great feats of engineering and other sciences come from the clergy? You never hear about Kenneth Copland or Pat Robertson developing a new vaccine or launching a space ship. There was a time when most everyone thought the clergy was smarter than science. It was way back in the dark ages.
sergeantrex 6 months ago
@sergeantrex By Intuition of heart, not by literal book knowledge.. although that has happened before as well.
pecky143 6 months ago
Man was created (from star dust evolution or from God blowing breath of life unto star dust) and because he was created his poor little brain cannot conceive of un-created just as man is having a really hard time explaining "dark matter" -- The upper level postulations by both Christians and Scientists at present cannot be proven. On a day to day, however, science is giving us more useful discoveries and for some reason all miracles stopped 2000 years ago (the big ones) during the dark ages
OctoBox 9 months ago
i dont understand like in the video that how people such as atheist can deny the word of god and say that its not real and its just some make beleive guy that people just make up as an excuse but i dont think that im a faithful christian and this video shows how ignorant and disbelieving people can be i think that they are just trying to deny what is right
TheCrazyeyes1234 9 months ago
@TheCrazyeyes1234 As an atheist, I'd love to have a calm, respectful private conversation with you regarding this subject. If you're okay with that.
ZombieBite1991 9 months ago
@TheCrazyeyes1234
Don't take this the wrong way. But I think you need to do some more exploration on the subject. Disbelieving isn't being close minded and ignorant. Unquestioning faith is being constricted to ancient ideas.
todanp 9 months ago
Most of you atheists continue to prove my point. Just look at these comments from atheists, and you will see that most of them are angry and upset or they resort to name calling. But what is really strange, is that they are all commenting on a Christian channel. It just doesn't make sense for atheists to get so upset about God, when they don't even believe in Him.
eichoob2105 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 Absolutely right, and though I don't speak for the atheist community, I would love to have a mature, intelligent debate with you if you should ever feel like it.
Kind Regards.
bludwolf 9 months ago
So god is reality...bwaahahahaaaa!
heikkala2797 9 months ago
A mental midget slamming a mental giant!!!
heikkala2797 9 months ago
Since when is a duty of people to prove that God does NOT exist? Prove me that it exists.
You want to believe it exists, it's fine, it's called faith and I have no problem with that, but trying to convince people that God exists because you can't prove that it doesn't, it's like believing in ghosts (or fairies).
marcusuke 9 months ago
@marcusuke Apparently because we don't need to have faith to be happy, we have to suffer from the stupidity and ignorance of those who do.
Faulsh 9 months ago
People actually listen to these guys... ? When someone says that something "unfalsifiable" does not exist, that does NOT require faith. Would you consider it faith to say smurfs do not exist? Faith is only evoked when someone cannot PROVE something and yet believes it. Faith by definition is a belief with doubt, because of no evidence. Blind faith however is a belief without evidence and no doubt. Blind faith, to me, is the definition of mentally removed, and not in touch with reallity.
kailabreece 9 months ago
This was great, Kirk's gospel presentation was perfect. Thanks again, guys.
Michael
wpuymac 9 months ago
i love jesus
heathsawyer 9 months ago
Christians simply get back what they put out, contempt. The biggest lie ever told is that Christianity is about love and tolerance. For 2000 years there has been no evidence that it's true. American Christianity would fall apart at the seams if they ever stopped inventing boggy men to hate. Blacks, Jews, Catholics, feminists have all had their turn, now it's Gays and "liberals". When they lose this fight, as they always do, they'll find another to keep the flock scared and money pouring in
milkman5547 9 months ago
@milkman5547 Hmm... interesting point of view, that's a shame you see no love in Christianity.
stephjh2006 9 months ago
@stephjh2006 I personally know Christians that are very nice and loving people but generally it has nothing to do with their religion. I'd say it's because they are tolerant people who are as they are despite what they hear on from the pulpit on Sunday.
milkman5547 9 months ago
Kirk Cameron was wrong and out of line when he said of Hawking " "To say anything negative about Stephen Hawking is like bullying a blind man. He has an unfair disadvantage, and that gives him a free pass on some of his absurd idea "
There was no need to refer to Hawkings disability, which i am pretty sure is what Cameron meant. What he said should have been focused on not his disability.
I just read the newspaper article on what he said. Sorry but i think that is disrespectful.Just my opinion
honesttalkinglad 9 months ago
Here's the way I see it: The teachings of Christianity are good. Love thy neighbor, help the poor and needy, thou shall not kill, etc. Christians themselves might set a bad example and tarnish the name of Jesus in their actions but please don't let these bad examples ruin your view of the religion itself. There have been Christians who have set great examples such as Mother Theresa. But Christians are merely people, and we all make mistakes. Don't let our shortcomings defile Jesus' name.
impasse0124 9 months ago
@impasse0124 You r right friend, many good people exist, but there r also good people in other faiths & with no faith. Faith is irrelevant to morallity. In fact, I could easily argue that the motrality of the bible is, compared to contemporary times, sadistic & primitive. Remember it was chrisitanity who added the concept of original sin, which in my opinion is an absolute perversion of humanity... born broken. Jesus' teachings were not even new. Confucious said the same things 500 years prior.
kailabreece 9 months ago
@kailabreece Please define "good" and what you base your definition on.
thewayofthemaster 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster I would define good as those values that permit development & the pursuit of happiness for all, without infringing on one anothers inalienable rights. I base it on contemporary civilized societal standards - modern morality. The morality of the bible, & any ancient text, is both a contradiction to contemporary values & primitive in its scope - tribal. Any book that provides recommendations on how to treat your slaves & when to kill another person, is barbaric & "not good."
kailabreece 9 months ago
@kailabreece Is this definition for you only or should everyone adhere to it? And why? Also, you didn't explain what "modern morality" is. Since murder, rape, and essentially our prison population is up compared to any point in this country's history, why are you using today's morals as the standard? What about abortion and homosexuality? The country is split on these issues. Which side is right?
thewayofthemaster 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster This defintion is mine. I'm pretty sure that was your question, for ME to define it. As for other people adhering to it, most civilized socities do. Modern morality cannot b defined. It isn't black & white. That would b 2 simple. People like yourself wish things were simple, but they aren't. As 4 homosexuality & abortion, omg. Homosexuality is not evil, & is as natural as any genetic variant. Abortion, well, that is just non-sense. If u want to end abortion, teach safe sex.
kailabreece 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster My friend. U pretend ur religion teaches love, yet the vast majority of BOTH books r stories of violence, hate & judgement. Modern morality has EVOLVED passed primitive ritual worship & laws passed down from an invisible dictator. We have tossed out slavery & the stoning of people. Most civilized countries do not even have death penalties, yet the most religious nations cling to that, why? Why is "do not kill" not as important as "no other god?" Religion is a tribal mentality.
kailabreece 9 months ago
@kailabreece All I'm trying to do with this discussion is show you that your morality stops at you. It's solely determined by your whim and you have no authority or right to put it on to anyone else since you're making it up as you see fit. It's basically your opinion.
thewayofthemaster 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster You make 'free will' sound dangerous yet you attest to it being given to humankind by the god you believe created us. We have free will, of a sort, and we need it. How do you judge the morality you take from the bible? How do you know it's right? Religion has people all over the world believing that a prescribed morality is absolute. How do you know which god, which book or which church has the 'right' morality, or interpretation of it. Because you HAVE morality, just like me.
ibfreetubeme 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster I'm well aware of what u r trying to do. You're trying to say my morality is merely a personal (mortal) one, while yours is divinely inspired by an imaginary being (who murders women and children). Please. The church & ALL religions have created morality the same way I have, through cultural evolution & a natural awareness to reallity. You need to read more than one book friend. It's basic anthropology. The reallity is absolute morality does not exist, we define good & bad.
kailabreece 9 months ago
@thewayofthemaster We need no longer talk friend. You are too far removed from reallity to understand the natural order of the universe and your place within it. Be well. Have fun in heaven.
kailabreece 9 months ago
@kailabreece its a shame you no longer want to talk when the focus comes back to you. To say that we define good and bad is true; but our definition of good and bad can be severely misguided, because we can be misguided. That is why God gave us a standard, a benchmark-the 10 commandments. If you are still willing to continue in a reasonable and respectful discussion without resorting to derogatory comments about my mental capacity, can I ask what is your standard for definition of good and bad?
rooker5 9 months ago
@rooker5 I can certainly be friendly & carry a coversation friend, but why, u believe in an invisible being who defines right & wrong & yet breaks his own commandments by commanding murder & committing murder itself. 2 give u a short answer, a standard for morality is founded within 1st world civilized societal law. If bad was truely to covet, we'd b in trouble living in a capitalistic society. We r founded on coveting. I dont think ur dumb, i just think fundamentlaists compartmentalize thought.
kailabreece 9 months ago
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@kailabreece, thank you for continuing in friendly conversation :) it is pretty rare in these sort of topics.
In your answer "a standard for morality is founded within 1st world civilized societal law." ; does that mean that you take your standard for defining morality from this? If so do need societal law to affirm to you what is right or wrong?Also do you know where the basis of 1st world societal laws originated from?
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rooker5 9 months ago
@rooker5 As for fundamentalist compartmentalizing thought, I would say that everyone compartmentalizes thought, even you. Is that bad, well the Good News I received tells me that you are my neighbour and to love you as myself. But it goes further than that, if you are my enemy I show you love and bless you.
I haven't compartmentalized these teachings, they have been internalized. You cannot compartmentalize and separate a change of nature. We become a new creature and have the mind of Christ.
rooker5 9 months ago
@rooker5 about why I believe in a 'invisible being who defines right & wrong & yet breaks his own commandments by commanding murder & committing murder itself.'
Well this is loaded with assumptions and creates a scenario where I would have to begin to defend myself and the Character and Attributes of God which is not needed yet because the fundamental question is do you even believe in some form of spirituality? I am not dodging the question just finding a common ground to carry on discussion:)
rooker5 9 months ago
@xryanxdmnd Angels are in heaven, and the bible says that if your eyes are not opned by God, you will not see them either. Yet when one of the prophets prayed for another person's eyes to be opened that he might see the angels, God granted that prayer and he opened his eyes and he could see the angels that are always around us. So long as you avoid the spiritual life, you cannot see it.
fundreamer1 9 months ago
When are you guys releasing the Holocaust/abortion video? I hope you post it on the channel instead of having to buy it, because I'd love to see it.
MinorCheese777 9 months ago
@xryanxdmnd They aren't in the physical realm.
MinorCheese777 9 months ago
Had Cameron bothered to check he'd find out that nothing in physics is different to the layman use of the word nothing.
ganados0 9 months ago
something comes from nothing is just really dum
dlp3rdlegend 9 months ago
I have read the whole Bible. You naive people just prove it to me over and over. You change my words to what you want all the time.. Grow up and stop believing in fantasy.
rick3925 9 months ago
@rich3925 u use ur science to make something out of nothing then have that nothing explode and create everything and create order(btw explosions don't create order) and read the bible, then I think we can talk :)
joshuadjohnson22 9 months ago
@Rick3925 so u believe nothin created us, we just were here? Something came from nothing? Really? And u saw us Christians live in a fantasy world
joshuadjohnson22 9 months ago
Listen to it again if you don't hear it in the episode you won't hear it from me.
God bless.
donotweep 9 months ago
Atheism is a religion and bald is a hair color.
Cornwall1888 9 months ago
Thank you guys! Great episode!
xchampx 9 months ago
I really wish Kirk wouldn't have contradicted himself in this episode :(
saddens me. But I will be praying for him and all of the Way of the Master.. You guys aren't hearing what you really sound like. If I was not a believer with the Spirit of truth abiding in me, and believed you,I would be walking away and not listening to another preacher because I would think I have to just wait and see if God was going to pick me. Not very hopeful.
donotweep 9 months ago
@donotweep How was a contradiction made?
dominiccss 9 months ago
Chad was a navy SEAL??
matte5299 9 months ago
All religious narcicism makes me sick. I'll take science over fantasy any day. The Bible is a book written by human beings before they even knew about dinosaurs, pre-historic man and that the earth was round. There are many religions. It just depends where you lived and what your parents taught you. People need religion to keep them in line and think there is a place to go when they die. Time never started and will never end. Matter can't be created or destroyed. It only changes. Religions kill.
rick3925 9 months ago
@rick3925 1st thing have u even read the Bible? im so sick of people saying the same talking points but dont know whats in the book. Next theres something different about the Bible, all book "writing by man" is always to promote one self or something or someone else, but the Bible doesnt, it promotes humility and submitting yourself to ur maker, a love story about how God has redeemed man from our sin. Sin is destrutive and the world is better without it.
joshuadjohnson22 9 months ago
@rick3925 I would not want to live in a world thats not "inline" every1 has something inside them that tells them what is right and wrong, do u think its "religion" that that lets u know murder is bad? No
joshuadjohnson22 9 months ago
@rick3925 You prefer science! But it’s a proven fact that the universe and time itself had a definite beginning!
If there's a beginning there is a beginner! If creation exists there is a creator! If there is design then there is a designer!
It seems you actually believe in Science FICTION not science!
Stalin killed millions in the name of communistic atheism!
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rick3925 9 months ago
Right on ,Kirk!
ChristiansofAsia 9 months ago
That was a intense moment , that man had a look of total hatred on his face..So glad you stand together with the Lord on your side :) God Bless!
claudiasnest 9 months ago
If Christians are wrong, what do they have to lose? Nothing. If athiests, agnostics, unbelievers are wrong, what do they have to lose? Their soul for all eternity. It never ends. Eternal suffering and torment forever. For me I'll choose the former, thank God for my saviour Jesus Christ!
pidmom 9 months ago
@pidmom but what if Allah is the real god? then you'd be equally screwed. Point is, it's impossible to know which of the hundreds of gods it the real one, and you might lose time, money etc. praying to the wrong one and still get the unpleasant treatment.
Adhemar05 9 months ago
When a scientist says something unknowable such as God doesn't exist, they're basically saying they know it all and their minds are closed to any new information on the matter.
KnightOwl2006 9 months ago
God does exist and the evidence is all around us. You just have to have a mind that is open enough to go to that place.
18135jamie 9 months ago
the more science tries to "dis" prove God the more they actually point to God's existence.
18135jamie 9 months ago
Does anyone really believe in this stuff? If so, are you willing to discuss your beliefs with an atheist (me)? I'm just curious to see how you people think.
Ademisk 9 months ago
LOL @ 00:20
Ahahvah 9 months ago
So, where is your evidence of god. You only ask for evidence from others, but rely on magic when asked for your own proofs. You people are the insane and the conmen who make their living by screwing over the gullible. Sick.
dtorfleming 9 months ago
Cameron: "it's an extraordinary claim" that the universe came from nothing and "therefore requires extraordinary evidence". But the extraordinary claim that god does exist doesn't require any evidence. Again magic.
dtorfleming 9 months ago
It's impossible that the entire universe came from nothing. The entire universe came from god who came from nothing. Simple. Magic.
dtorfleming 9 months ago
So is this a religious-nut support group?
dtorfleming 9 months ago
Wow I can see about 20 Angels standing among you guys as you stare down that intimidating man. Lol (not really)
Ca1iGurl31 9 months ago
Mr. Pitman DOES sound like Whitfield! Pretty cool.
TheMsMelodysong 9 months ago
The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
diakoniaable 9 months ago
The fool says in his heart there is no God!
diakoniaable 9 months ago
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
diakoniaable 9 months ago
Great video!
vico100 9 months ago
Did any dead cats get thrown at Marcus on the beach? (lol). :) Like Wesley.
Shoots1978 9 months ago
I just finished reading Kirk Cameron's Autobiography. He's a pretty awesome guy.
KJP412 9 months ago
another fine example of ignorance and scientific iliteracy. always fun to watch ;)
DocFosters 9 months ago
@DocFosters Since you brought up science, how is your God doing?
mcap52 9 months ago
@mcap52 there is no god.
DocFosters 9 months ago
@DocFosters
Thats also just belief you have,
And a foolish one!
Duplooytim 9 months ago
"Because life is short, and I wanna go [to heaven]" is the fairy tale that Hawking is referring to.
eyepatchplease 9 months ago
Atheism is to religion what NOT stamp collecting is to a hobby.
mojo1517 9 months ago
*facepalms at Kirk* How many times must we tell you this, guys? Evolution is not unfounded, it is not a belief system, it requires no rituals and it has no dogmatic tenants. By any honest definition of both Religion and Evolution, Evolution is not a religion. Plus, evolution is what we came up with AFTER we did investigation. Evolution has something called "evidence" backing it up.
What honest investigation did you do before you became a Christian? Ray's good-person test?
chinchychilla 9 months ago
Never really considered how Kirk Cameron has fared alongside his child actor peers before. You're a good man Kirk.
DoYerBest 9 months ago
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible Heb, 11:3
So the universe was form from the invisible, Nothing is not Nothing, Nothing is the prime material of God, He can do anything out of nothing! So the atheist got it right, Finally they are in agreement with the Bible!
darsal123 9 months ago
The fool says in his heart there is no God!
nipahutgardens 9 months ago
Stephen Hawking vs Kirk Cameron...
Just let that sink in...
BluJugganaut 9 months ago
I love these guys they are exactly right!!!!!
agw418 9 months ago 6
You're right: preachers do need elevation. Marcus is a good example of needing it.
I must say, though, at the beginning, Marcus came across as if he were mocking Christians.
I look forward to the new movie and documentary.
eugenetswong 9 months ago
I've noticed something about most atheists I've encountered. You all seem to share a hatred for others and you are always so angry. If you don't believe in God, then that's fine, but why are you on here spewing hate at those who do believe in God. It just amazes me how angry you people get over a God you say doesn't even exist.
eichoob2105 9 months ago 41
@eichoob2105 That hasn't been my experience with my fellow atheists. I have met others, like myself, who keep their beliefs to themselves, or at least proclaim them but not necessarily argue with those that disagree. I've declined such "debates" because such arguments stem from someone's lack of confidence. There's certainly more to life than debating it.
eyepatchplease 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 I have met many christians who hate gays, blacks, atheists, etc.
I also have met many atheists who are the same.
it's not one sided nor has it or ever will be.
morality has nothing to do with religion so do not think you are all high and mighty:p
fcdog555 9 months ago
@fcdog555 I never once said that I was all high and mighty. I'm simply speaking off of my personal experience when dealing with atheists. Also, if you have ever met a person who claimed that they were a Christian, and they said that they hated anyone for any reason, then they are not True Children of God. I can say that I'm a vegetarian, but if I go to Outback Steakhouse everyday and eat a slab of ribs and steak, then obviously I wouldn't really be a vegetarian.
eichoob2105 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 Okay fair enough. So I take it that you accept slavery right? I mean it strictly states in the new testament that slavery is okay. And it does not once say slavery is bad.
So either the Christians I mentioned are "True Children of God," or you are not one of his true children either:p
fcdog555 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 Maybe because of all the people that have been brutally murdered in the name of God/Ala. I'm not sure though....
safespot69 9 months ago
@safespot69 Who are all of these people that you are talking about? Please name them.
eichoob2105 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 What.... you can't do your own research??? There are millions and you want me to name them??? Try reading the Bible... Oh i see... you have. lol Hope your version works out for ya, not likely though... very sad!!!
safespot69 9 months ago
@eichoob2105
Because they are not real Atheists... They are Antitheists.
An Atheist doesn't care about faith either way - this is the category I fall into.
Good luck to you on your path through this world.
TerminalViscosity 9 months ago
@TerminalViscosity
And you may ask why I am here looking at a video like this...
The answer is: Because I was interested in why Kirk Cameron would slag off Doctor Hawking. Especially due to the fact that in every one of his books he has been very careful to say that science and quantum theory do not preclude a god or gods.
TerminalViscosity 9 months ago
@TerminalViscosity
Stephen Hawking may have said that there is no such physical place as a heaven, but as I stated, if you read through A Brief History of Time, you will find multiple mentions and references to the fact that a god may have done this...
Strange that this program would actually attack one of their greatest proponents in the scientific community.
It just goes to show they should do more research and less reacting.
TerminalViscosity 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 This is one of many ways atheists by their own actions prove there is a God. Their faith cant survive without the existence of God :)
psycofloyd 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 says he that his religion has killed around 3-5000 people for the spanish inquisition, says he who's religion burned "witches", says he who's religion who's millions died from the crusades, says he who's religion burns korans due to religious conflict. You can say all you want, but I think you'll find that we Atheists sit on the sidelines whilst religions just go around killing people and having hatred for others for not having their beliefs, most atheists are really quite nice.
superiorplanet 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 Amen! LOL
IDH77 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 Atheists get annoyed because they are always told they are going to hell if they don't believe. Yet there is no evidence for God or for hell.
Cornwall1888 9 months ago
@eichoob2105
Because people of faith i.e. Christians try to force their beliefs on other people such as Government and science. We have no problem with your god we have problems with the people who act on your gods behave.
sweatytoothmadman 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 nobody gets angry over God, at best it's in the way that you dislike, say, the bad (fictional) characters from Disney. They get angry over people, for example, when priests from Uganda support the stoning of homosexuals overseas, or when creationism is reintroduced as formal education in several states, or when the Westboro Baptist Church grab their signs again, or when religion involves itself in politics again, or when the whole Catholic Church... you get the idea.
handplanty 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 You're delusional.
CrapAttack42 9 months ago
@CrapAttack42 I met a lot of people who hated me for believing in God.
Barthayn 9 months ago
@Barthayn I've met countless Christians who have hated me for not believing in God.
CrapAttack42 9 months ago
@CrapAttack42 Then they are claiming to be Christians, and not actually Christian. To be Christian is to follow the teachings of Jesus, and if they hate you then they aren't following the teachings.
MinorCheese777 9 months ago
@MinorCheese777 There are so many different interpretations of what Christians "should" be, that I can't know if what you're saying is valid.
CrapAttack42 9 months ago
@eichoob2105
I'm mainly just irritated with the ones who like injecting themselves into public life.
odenskrigare 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 I have also noticed that most theists get angry when speaking to atheists. So the feeling is contrary.
Also you know when a car crashes or a train derails or when Rebecca Black or Britney Spears bring out a song and everyone wants to see it or hear it besides knowing it's wrong or bad? Yeah, that my dear person who likes to offend and generalize and stereotype, is what theism and deism is to atheists. It's just too good not to comment on and watch the train wreck crash.
scrap222666 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 Atheists have a reason to be angry. the church treats them like naive children, saying "if you ignore them, they will go away" . actual fact is the USA is the one of the only countries in the G20 that has more Christian people than Atheists
mercuryvapors 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 Well said!
cottoncandicane 9 months ago
@eichoob2105 The issue is not that most of us are bothered by the fact that people believe in god, the issue lies in how the things that christians believe effect us. Many christians in the US want abortion to be illegal, evolution taken out of schools, gay marriage banned, and stem cell research stopped. It is hard to live without some form of faith in your life I am sure. But why must you be so arrogant and confident about something you would have to be admittedly ignorant to believe?
Faulsh 9 months ago
Monumental ignorance breeds monumental confidence.
Kirk Cameron is the post child for this unfortunate fact.
LetReasonPrevail1 9 months ago