Sermon2Tolkien, Lewis, Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn 1/7

[rsavvas]

Without wanting to insult anyone, the fellow on this video sounds as if his a fourteen year old fanatic trying to pick a fight with a dead guy(Lewis).

[brianwpb]

Catholicism was born from Greek Gnosticism. All the "evil and wicked" things these guys were doing, were removed from the blueprints of Catholicism and demonized as a control mechanism over the population. Not just mind control, but to limit the spiritual development of the roman population, which was mostly made up of slaves and "foreign" people around the Mediterranean, who had Roman law imposed upon them. The elite chose Gnosticism because they recognized its truth and use it still 2 this day

[herne777]

This guy is a doctor? He speaks like he's 15. If you're going to accuse someone of promoting occultism try to get their name right at least. Very incoherent.

There's enough evil in this world without trying to find it in books which are Christian allegory and teach a message consistent with the Bible. How many people has Lewis brought to Christ? Maybe you should read Matthew 7 again.

[elshadiesglory]

the Jews learned it from Babalyon

[Bason1971]

jewish witchcraft you a goose man tell a rabbi he is a fucking witch

[runehealing]

You got it backwards, numbnut! Around 6:00 you said Rosicrucians spawned from the GD. It's the exact opposite. Holycrap, if you're going to spread hate, let it be from the TRUTH. No wonder I get hate mail. All your little followers are believing a bunch of lies. Shame on you. Hey, don't you christians have certain laws the prevent you doing certain things, like lying?

[Utopiang]

Dr Johnson did not say that "Rosicrucians" descended from the Golden Dawn but the "Fellowship of the Rosy Cross".

He was correct.

[Utopiang]

Since you have been proven to be in error, it would behoove you to publically retract your statement about Dr Johnson being a liar, runehealing.

[Cypresstroll]

The narrator of this video doesn't seem to know much about Christianity. Just an angry person pointing fingers, like most folks who call themselves Christian these days. His hate for what he considers dark things is much darker than he realizes.

[nathanchernis17]

Its rediculous that this guy claims the GD to teach witchcraft. Obviously he dosent know the GD at all. And Crowley left the GD because he believed in an individual path of learning, and he progressed to fast and became bored. The GD does not teach Black magick, it teaches the progression of the human concious and subconcious mind,and the power and abilities that come ith it. The rituals and practices of the GD are all to strenghten and develope the students abilities. This guy is a moronic fool

[runehealing]

nathanchernis17: You are very correct. The funny thing is, the information is out there for anyone who wants to know. This dude needs to do more research.

[Utopiang]

Dr Scott Johnson is known to be meticulous in his research and, as a genuine Christian watchman, is not prone to lying since He would face the wrath of God in doing so.

Unregenerate sinners, however, are prone to lying. Primarily to themselves.

[Utopiang]

"The GD does not teach Black magick, it teaches the progression of the human concious and subconcious mind,and the power and abilities that come ith it. The rituals and practices of the GD are all to strenghten and develope the students abilities."

Occultism and dark arts (magic) is anything outside of God's spiritual and earthly laws. Progression of the human mind and its powers and abilities requires salvation through Christ. Otherwise, the source is Satanic.

[runehealing]

Listen very carefully: You may think I'm evil, that's fine. Not the argument. I am a member of the organization he is ripping on and nothing he is saying is true. He has NOT done his research at all. Meticulous? GD teachings came from rosicrucianism. Not the opposite. 90 seconds on google could've told this guy that. This is not the result of a meticulous researcher, this is another lie from a fanatic. Just google 'golden dawn' and you will see this guy is a gutless liar.

[Utopiang]

runehealing, I have done research on the subject and according to the following statement (ref. Rose Tower: msg#00000), Dr Johnson is perfectly correct:

[Utopiang]

(1) "The rose on the banner is drawn in the manner of the Rosicrucian symbol. Examples of this same symbol can be found in Waite's The Secret Tradition in Freemasonry (pp 227, 248, 550). In the background of the card, along the near shoreline there appear to be three black crosses. These may represent tombstones in keeping with the Death theme, but may also hint at the Cross, the second element of the "Rosy Cross" symbol."

[Utopiang]

(2) In The Real History of the Rosicrucians and The Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross, Waite depicts the Rosicrucians as an occult "church within the church" of Christianity."

[Utopiang]

(3) "Into the cloth of Rosicrucianism, Waite weaves the Knights Templar, Alchemy, Kabballah, Levi, Papus, Masonry, and the Golden Dawn. The three founders of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn were members of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia. The Higher or Inner Order of the Golden Dawn was known as Rosae Rubeae et Aureae Crucis. When the Golden Dawn broke up and Waite formed his own version of the society, he called it the Fellowship of the Rosy Cross."

[doubleaamazin]

Bad ass video, pure truth.

[FunnyBone67]

Give me a break! These are not extraordinary claims! I have known about them for years! Apparently you've never looked much into these men yourself! The burden of rebuttle is on you and that would be a very heavy burden of proof! It's the same as those who deny the truth of the Gospel! It is not our burdern to prove anything! It is yours if you refuse to believe it and how heavy a burden it is! So if you really want to be taken serious! Take up the burden you hypocrite!!

[ThatChristian]

I am hearing quite a bit of quotes from articles and a torrent of supposed facts about these people, but no actual sources. You have not provided any actual evidence for these claims that you are making. And sir, if you presume to make such extraordinary claims about these men, you certainly shoulder a very heavy burden of proof.