@annata12 I think that's being a bit too optimistic. Not because of Afghanistan but I doubt humanity will survive another 500 years. The wrong misanthrope will get the right bug to release for the global plague; George Bush the 14th will sit on the nuclear button blowing it all to hell. Think about it: Humanity is just smart enough to make nuclear weapons and just dumb enough to use them.
when our two u.s. embassies were blown up in 1998, I thought what will happen to those terrorists (bin laden) now? A few tomahawk missles and all was well in the world then. Remember? Monica was the big topic then. What happened after that? Wellll, the Uss Cole in October 2000 was blown up. and what happened? nothing...gore vs bush happened. then what? Oh, bush blew up the twin towers. I remember now.
what my friend learned is that to cherish all your time. my friend is of faith as am I and said he will be able to finish a conversation some day that they had before his death. My friend knows how difficult a mission it is over there. He said it was like going back to the old testament over there. and, he said some parts were very beautiful as he described and area he jogged with snow cap mountains near by. It was an amazing dinner and to see him again tonight was awesome.
I just had dinner tonight with my friend who just returned from his one year deployment in afghanistan. He is such a good young man. I his twenties and had someone he met there and became friends with killed by a rocket propelled grenade. this soldier push another solider out of the way when he saw the enemy with a rpg aimed at them. this solider had a wife, child, and his wife was pregnant too. cont
You got oil on one side and you got oil on the other side.. and you got upcoming economies in the middle. Now one side you have Iran and on the other side Russia. One side wants to make a nuke, and is called ash of evil Iran, who more than ones told to destroy Israel and the USA. The otherside already got nukes. I think we're doing Russias job.
sweetie, the proud and brave Afghan nation have taught lessons to all invaders now it is final game for the brave and great Afghan nation to teach European American invaders. Afghans have already defeated you.
Let's not forget the recent history for being in Afganistan... it's to prevent terrorist groups from forming and to protect americans from another attack similar to 9-11. Get out of Afganistan and focus on the real terrorists responsible for the attacks on 9-11. George Bush and many within his administration are responsible for designing the attack on 9-11, while using the media to focus americans on other countires as being responsible. It's about greed people, and americans are guilty.
The "news" you want me to watch is the source of your ignorance. It's people like you that makes it possible for them to get away with this crap. Wake up or bury your yellow head in the sand.
LOL u think every single news are fake, only what u think is real.... stfu why would i listen to ur little bullshit? stop trying be a teacher and teach other ppl stuff, everybody has his point of view so shut the fuck up and go fuck urself
removed ur comment? LMAO cuz u know u got it wrong and u typed retarded shit in there, think twice before u put comments dumbass, dont put them than delete, coward
IRAN is surrounded by Pakistan/Israel and India all who have Nuclear Capability but have not signed to the NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION TREATY.......and the world expects IRan to comply????
If Americans actually read the 911 commission regarding the testimony of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed On Page 147 people would know the motivation for 911.
..Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept.11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with U.S. Foreign Policy favoring Israel... 9/11 Commission Report, p147
I know that. Anybody over the age of 10 knows that. But that's the reason they attack us? Because we HELPED them fight off the Soviets? Or is it maybe due to our support of Israel? I dont' get it. The Jews have one fricking country compared to the 20+ that the Islamic world has. Why can't they just have one nation?
asianwannabeamerican: so bombing the Palestinians out of tiny little strip called Gaza is the ethical way to do this....maybe make a few friends along the way....???
You're completely twisting my words and adding words that were never there. I'm not saying kick the Palestinians out. Here's my question to both sides, the Israelis and Palestinians: IS IT THAT FUCKING HARD TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM YOU?!?!?! Israel: Stop the fucking occupation, right freaking NOW! Palestinians: if you fucking stop attacking the Israelis, maybe they won't do shit to you.
asianwannabeamerican: then you might like the progress with the GOLDSTONE address to the UN....would definitely hold those accountable (usually those in power) and allow peace for civilians on both sides of the border....sound a like a good plan?
I'm for anything that will make both sides shut the frick up. I'm Asian, that doesn't mean I can't have a white guy, or a black guy, or a Mexican as a neighbor right? I'm Christian, that doesn't mean that I won't allow a synagogue or a mosque or a Hindu temple in my town. Why is that so hard to do?? sorry about the strong wording, but I'm just tired of hearing this crap. This got old 60 years ago. How much were Muslims persecuted....compared to Jews? And for what reason especially before 1948-9?
the US was trying to flush Vietcong out of Cambodia, only to do the opposite. Trust me, most Cambodians place pretty much all of the blame on Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. They generally feel, "well, the US tried to stop communist but they failed when they tried to help us. but it's Pol Pot's fault because HE was the one that killed so many of us. HE was the one that made things worse than they had to be." Does that make sense to you or what?
asianwannabeamerican: all I'm saying is Get the proper warrant for a dictator...but do they really have to put the WHOLE country into Martial LAW...where civilians have no rights whatsoever.....and continue raping the wealth of these countries.
you made an assumption that Al Quaida attacked the US:
It is a matter of public record that the Taliban government did not attack the USA in 9/11.
It is also a matter of public record that Osama bin Laden and his organization (Al Quaida) are only suspected of direct involvement in the attack of 9/11, there being no trial as yet to determine the facts.
Number 1: No one's saying that the Taliban attacked us. Al-Qaeda did. They are two completely different entities mutually supporting eachother. Taliban only focuses on Afghanistan and Pakistan. Al-Qaeda has agents all over the world. And you're right, we haven't had a trial but just because we haven't caught a criminal, doesn't mean that he's innocent or guilty until he is caught. Your true guilt or innocence is cemented before a trial ever happens. Courts just make them "official" on paper.
concerning WMD's in Iraq: Bush was just being the goof that he is. He misread signals. As you know, Iraq and Iran hated eachother. Saddam wanted everyone to think that he had something to hide so that way, Iran wouldn't realize how weak he was. But really, he basically shot himself in the foot with his defiance because he was attacked anyway by us.
Remember the Arms trade in 1982 between Rumsfeld and Hussein....after which Hussein immediately gassed his own people....you can call that aiding and abetting the enemy.....
How many more examples do you want....I got more.
Have you also forgotten the IRAN CONTRA AFFAIR?...where US got caught with their pants down trading arms with a KNOWN enemy.....you could also called that Aiding and Abetting the enemy...
But REGAN and his buddies used their high ranks for immunity from the courts....
Yeah, I know about that. Shame. They should have sat back instead. If the Bloods and Crips are killing eachother, it makes no sense for the cops to join in on one side or the other. It should be punishing both sides. Just another example of terrible policy coming from the rear ends of politicians that don't know how to think. Almost none of these people would be in public office if they weren't rich.
ahhh....but the middle east is all a proxy wars...just follow where the weapons are made.....2 Major suppliers.....US and Russia......AK's and M2 TAnks....
Isn't almost everything a proxy war? We may not officially be at war with Iran. But if you include proxy wars, then we've been at war with Iran in some fashion or other since the Iranian Revolution.
no we haven't been at war with Iran for almost 40 years......Look at the "ATOMS for PEACE " Program...a nuclear venture with US /Iran and Pakistan (1953's to late 70's)......US shared Nuclear Technology....and even won joint awards for their efforts....friends one day enemies the next.......
I think Bush pretty much screwed us up with Iran. He calls them part of the Axis of Evil right about the same time they were willing to help us in Afghanistan. Ironic...at least it's entertaining to make fun of Bush.
can you see why some people on this planet may not be in favour of US interventionism....don't get me wrong...people love Americans...but that is separate from US Foreign policy....and the precedence of wars in the last 50 years .....can lead to a lot of bad blood.....can anyone be surprised about 911?
I don't think anyone can be surprised by 9/11. but it still doesn't make it right. The tectonic underlying problem is there's a huge misunderstanding between the larger Islamic world and the West. They think we're imperialists and so they fight us. We think they're terrorists if they attack and therefore it's a vicious cycle. People need to step up on each side. Moderate Muslims and well-rounded politicians have to work together. Instead, we've got radicals and aristocrats. Average people suffer
Ahh...but interventionism and Imperialism have been around for centuries...do you think people will actually lay down and give the wealth of their countries away to super powers with out blinking an eye
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US oil firms often sell the oil in IRaq unmetered...so who knows where the profilts go...you think it would go back to the IRAQI people...but no....How about reversing that...let foreign nations come into the US and steal their wealth....it's a double standard...not really a surprise again.
afghanistan is a 'country' in the most loose sense of the word; it's more like random groupings of tribes. secondly, al quada has been able to recruit more terrorists since we've starting intervening in their affairs. the more we chase, the more they run and hide. pakistan hasn't committed to stamping them out. and we decide to bomb pakistan? what kind of foreign policy is that? we need to send in cia ops and bring all the ground troops home. al quaeda has not interest in killing muslims, morons
"This is a limited program designed to prevent attacks on the United States of America -- and I repeat: limited." -George W. Bush (January,1, 2006) Regarding NSA warrantless surveillance programs.
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one." -Hitler (March,23,1933) Regarding THe Enabling Act.
Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:
*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.
*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.
*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).
Hey, I was in Destin, Florida relaxing.....Another Outstanding Video....How do you stay so positive and focused ? ! LOL, I Love ya ! Have a great week !
Bin Laden is a stateless man and his crew. Pre-emptive strikes on other states such as Afghanistan is a war crime.....If Bid Laden hid the UK or Italy...would the US bomb the entire country like they did IRAQ/Afghanistan.
It isn't just about Bin Laden. The Taliban go from village to village and burn down schools, deny girls the right to learn, recruiters grab boys as young as 6 to become suicide bombers, ban music, ban all books except one, ban free speech. These are the true war crimes. The "preemptive strikes" you refer to are in fact not preemptive because they are in response to acts already being committed. UK and Italy are not controlled by radical militant sharia law. (although the UK is well on it's way)
Anphib: what's the difference to what's happening in Darfur and Rawanda....regarding War Lords...only it's being done in a genocidal scale in africa...why not go there and treat real terrorism.....Taliban is small compared to the Genocides in Africa.
MajNorberg: The reason we went to Afghanistan rather then Darfur or Rwanda is because of the massive network of camps and safe houses Osama bin Laden and his operatives had to train thousands of young Muslims to wage a global jihad. The African war lords are brutal, but they keep that brutality within their own borders unlike radical Islamic terrorists many of whom were trained in Afghanistan and have placed terrorist cells in many countries over the years. Global terror is a much bigger threat.
Anphib: I do agree with you. Sure! Oil has nothing to do with it. The most dangerous country in the World is the one which have developed, built, and used nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons; the one which would not listen to the UN Security Council; the one whith the biggest record of militar invations of free countries through the History, spreading global terror called war. Huh... That is Afghanistan, right? Or was it Iraq?
I have been a strong supporter of the FACT that the US invaded Iraq for oil, and I have been in many heated arguments with my conservative friends about that same issue when the war first began.
At the same time I also supported the removal of the training camps in Afghanistan and the war against Al-Queda and the Taliban.
The question asked of me by "MajNorberg" was not which country posed the biggest threat, rather why the US went to Afghanistan rather then Darfur or Rwanda.
You support the fact that US invaded IRAQ for Oil? and your point with that is? Are you confusing Global Security with "American Security"....can you spread some of that "Global Security" to Africa??
If you're concerned about global security...why doesn't Israel Sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....Extremists in Israel could become the next "Taliban"...this time they have Nukes that the US provided......the Taliban don't....who's the bigger threat.
I have no issues going after terrorists like Bin Laden..but they act on their own accord.....that doesn't require the entire country to go under martial law.....you can't "Spread " democracy with Martial LAw....Civilians have no rights under Martial LAw.....Iraqi's currently live under Martial LAw....you get my drift?...Where's Justice ?...Where's Democracy in the Middle East....you believe it only belongs to Americans....Complete glaring Hypocrisy.
"Nothing has come to our notice that would indicate links between Iraq and al-Qaida," Michael Chandler, the committee's chief investigator, said at a briefing at U.N. headquarters in New York.(June 26,2003)
Anphib: It was US FORIEGN POLICY that trained the TALIBAN...unforseen results is just BLOWBACK...ie 911.
So you're saying a Genocide like RAWANDA is does not concern the US as long as it stays within it's borders?DO you even know how many people died in RAWANDA and DARFUR???
Have you heard of Nigerian Pirates.These war lords do not stay in their own borders.
If you say Terror is Global..then you really can't wage war on a state can you? It's an ideology It's like waging war on Jealousy.
Yes the US trained them in the past but that does not mean they are any less of a threat to global security, in fact it makes them more of a threat.
Fact remains that the US thought the terrorist training camps posed more of a threat to global security then any war lord or pirate, I never claimed genocides are of no concern to the US.
You asked me a question, why the Allies sent troops to one region and not to another and I answered you based on what I know. Take it or leave it.
Anphib: u say " Yes the US trained them in the past but that does not mean they are any less of a threat to global security, in fact it makes them more of a threat."
Speaking of accountability, I answered your question and your best retort is "..no accountability what so ever."
I have yet to hear an argument from you as to how sending troops into Africa would have a more substantial impact on terrorism as opposed to Afghanistan?
Anphib: I have nothing against Americans as mentioned a few posts ago...only US FOREIGN POLICY.
I have yet to hear an argument as to why We can't use the example of the Trials at Nuremberg for Crimes Against Humanity to convict dictators and uphold justice as the same time.....rather than bombing/stealing the wealth of IRAQ and placing it's civilian populace under martial LAW...That is not spreading democracy..
Anphib : u say "I have yet to hear an argument from you as to how sending troops into Africa would have a more substantial impact on terrorism as opposed to Afghanistan?"
that's a presupposition.
So what ever happened to Israel not signing the NUCLEAR NON_PROLIFERATION TREATY...that's a clear threat to "GLOBAL" SECURITY....
You know they have War Lords have training camp stoo...they're not picky..they include kids too...ever hear of CHILD SOLDIERS???...."Terrorism " can be applied to criminals/warlords.....it's not just for ARABS anymore.
Stop acting naive. You know very well the training camps in Darfur and Rwanda do not produce international terrorists, so from an intelligence stand point it is very clear why the US would not pick those areas as targets to stem terrorism.
I'm done playing this back and forth game with you as you seem to dodge and weave when presented with adequate rebuttals. Have a nice day, and happy trolling!
lol how so? by stating that the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan are more of a terrorist threat then what goes on in Darfur you have somehow come to the conclusion that this train of thought is associated with Nazism? hahaha You're a nut job!
why not address Israel...I mean..that's why 911 happened. Media loves to ignore this fact.
US foreign policy bias for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
and US government support for the other oppressive regimes in the Middle East.
..Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept.11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with U.S. Foreign Policy favoring Israel... 9/11 Commission Report, p147
You seriously, seriously, need to stay away from real issues. You make yourself look as ditzy and uninformed as some of the people you interview. I'd be willing to be most of those people could not find Afghanistan on a map, let alone tell you who the players are in the theater or what the potential costs are of losing. Look at it this way. In spite of amateurs saying get out, the "transparency" President chose to slip a few thousand more troops in. Why do you suppose?
Yes, but no one has given a precise definition of winning. Initially, I thought the mission was to kill Osama. This is a concrete definition. But I think ppl forgot about that. Now they say the mission is to prevent future attacks on the US. This is a more nebulous definition of "winning" because we can not determine whether we have "won" or not at the time of our withdrawal. We will have to wait an indefinite number of years after we pull out to determine whether we won our lost.
....for example. If we pull out in 2010 and then we attacked by a group of a few dozen terrorists in 2015, does that mean we failed in 2010? I say yes. So now the US is trying to determine how much military force to apply to reduce the chances of that happening. Ideally, if the US could kill 100% of the insurgents with 0% civilian causalities that would be a perfect mission complete. Realistically, wars increase civilian casualties, anti-US sentiment, and convert children to future insurgents.
So from my point of view, we decrease our chances of winning (defined as not suffering a future attack on the US) the longer we occupy Afghanistan (and Iraq). Why? Simple put, the more people we kill over there, the more they will want to kill over here. The more we reduce there quality of life, quite naturally the more they will want to retaliate. I am not able to see a military solution. I think the US should withdraw immediately.
Well they did kill Osama many years ago. Barley got a mention in the news (for 2 days) and they still go on as if he is still alive making annual tapes. So there is probably some other political motive behind the continuation of these wars. I have no idea what, all the people in power no doubt know a lot of things we dont know. Like one guy on the street said about Obama, what changed his mind? He is definitely not gaining any popularity by staying in a war he said was going to pull out of.
True. Do you remember when there were riots in Afganistan a few years ago when it was revealed/leaked that NATO's "WOT" was a pretext to threaten China strategically?
A win in Afghanistan is nullifying the country as a terrorist threat and then leaving. There is nothing else worth fighting for there. The Taliban is to proud to allow democracy and human rights and they know there is a killing to be made selling heroine.
Actually that's not entirely true. A win is nullifying the country and surrounding areas e.g. Pakistan and then leaving. If the Taliban isn't pacified and Al Queda isn't eliminated then the war isn't over( Pacified in the sense that the Taliban doesn't pose a terrorist threat or a threat to harbor terrorists) . I think as far as vengence goes 6 years of slaughter has satisifed American bloodlust.
Africa doesn't pose a threat to America's security and economy, Afghanistan does. Stabilizing Africa and it's economy can lead to more of the rainforest being cut down which in turn would lead to faster global warming.
poopsmudge: the War Lords are a threat to it's own people...similar to Hussein and his populace and he wasn't a threat to US...good to see you only care about your "kind"....
Hussein was a threat to the US. He threatened to destabilize the middle east through war and he threatened to cause the price of oil to go up many fold. He used weapons of mass destruction on surrounding countries. The only thing stopping him from using WMDs on the US out of revenge was the fact he didn't have any at the time, which doesn't say what the future could have been.
I have issues with Dictators...what I have issues with is that the US could have used International LAW and use Hussein's crimes against humanity agruement against him...He would have stood trial..similar to Nazi henchmen in the Trials of Nuremburg and satisfy Justice actually working.
Patriot Act works outside the law and allows the raping of an entire state for just one dictator.
Hussein is gone..military rule provides no democracy to civilians which is the case currently in IRAQ.
Hussein did stand trial and he was excuted. Crimes against humanity were used against him. The US had to invade Iraq because Hussein and his brother's owned the country.
After Hussein was excuted there was a big void left behind which was filled by the US. The US is gradually leaveing and being replaced by the Iraqi democracy.and it's military forces.
Government only said they would pull troops....but they never said pull Privatized Military/Special OPS/Covert and High Rank Officials.....not really democracy I stated before when it's civilian population lives under military rule.
poopsmudge: Bid Laden is not a state....It's a war crime to use war or threat of war on a state that hasn't delcared war on the US. If the US wanted to apply Justice to the Taliban all it would have to do is get cooperation from the Afghan Government to deal with the War Lords...it doesn't require raping the whole country and it's citizen....which is exactly what happened in IRAQ/CAMBODIA/KOREA/BOSNIA/TIMOUR/etc.
So the Us, China, France, Britain, and whoever else commited a war crime when they invaded Afghanistan to oust the Taliban? 9/11 was a declaration of war btw. The Taliban is still fighting so there is a war. Just because an insurgency doesn't represent the state doesn't make the war illegal.
listen carefully to all of these americans and do something to stop this war or not long from today you people wont have enough troops to defend your own country.
WORLD KNOWS THROUGH THE HISTORY THAT AFGHANS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEAT AND AFGHANISTAN HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE THE GRAVE YARD OF EMPIRES AND AMERICA IS ECONOMICALY BANKCRUPT COUNTRY AND AMERICANS ARE WISE AND PEACE LOVING BUT FOOLED BY THIER OWN LEADERS(JEW PUPPETS)
"Once lead this people into war and they'll forget there ever was such a thing as tolerance. To fight you must be brutal and ruthless and the spirit of ruthlessness will enter into the very fiber of our national life, infecting Congress, the courts, the policeman on the beat, the man in the street."
—Woodrow Wilson (five days prior to asking Congress to declare war on Germany in 1917)
afghanmountainking is sort of right here. The resident summarized a complex issue in two sentences and then puts people on the air that have not a clue.
The second guy mixes up Iraq and Afghanistan, basically thinking the two are the same. They aren't!
Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:
*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.
*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.
*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).
I would agree with you to a point. But you are forgetting one thing. The US, or any other nationalistic country today, does not have the same economic condition that the Treaty of Versailles imposed on 1919 Germany: hyperinflation, 25% or higher unemployment. If we did, for sure those examples you gave would rise to the surface.
But you are correct in that those ideologies do spur on movements like Fascism and Nazism. But they need dire economic conditions to gain momentum.
But we have rising inflation and unemployment, and we have corporate control over the government. We are perilously close to a new fascism, or another way to put it would be, we are already there, it's just not as bad as Germany had it - yet. It's not like there's a playbook we must follow.
"Against this adversary there is only one effective response: We will never back down, we will never give in, and we will never accept anything less than complete victory."
GEORGE W. BUSH November 30, 2005
The fortress of Europe with its frontiers must be held and will be held too, as long as is necessary.
"This is a limited program designed to prevent attacks on the United States of America -- and I repeat: limited." -George W. Bush (January,1, 2006) Regarding NSA warrantless surveillance programs.
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one." -Hitler (March,23,1933) Regarding THe Enabling Act.
The US has a responsibility to finish what it started. It's been allowing other countries to sweep up after them, and now that many of those countries are slowly pulling out, it's the US' turn to step up and finish it. I am glad that Obama is taking responsibility for his country.
US troops guard the poppy plants. Duh. Why do you think heroin imports into this country have increased? War and drugs are what America is all about. We sell your children the drugs and then we make more profit when we incarcerate them. When will you people get it? You are being duped.
We went to Afghanistan to kill or capture members of The Base (Al-Qaeda) they numbered about 3000 at the time of invasion we havent killed or captured anywhere near that number, but we have spent our time trying to impose democracy on the Afghani people and kicking the Taliban out of town that was not the mission nor should it be the mission. Victory is the killing or capture of the criminal gang The Base (Al-Qaeda) Osama Bin Laden head on a Pike or leave now end of mission.
You know they could just get a warrant for Bin Laden...rather than imposing Military Occupation where civilians have no rights under pre-emptive Wars....is that democracy?
the black guy is right america thinks it can fuck with people and not be attacked tipical bully and you all know why the bully acts this way: 1st small dick, 2nd no real friends, 3rd is the cowardest but has to act big, 4th mamma and daddy never love it, everyone it waiting for this bully to drop dead.
the most conservative, racist and intolelerant European Americans never faced nation like Afghan. The proudest Afghan nation who always defended their freedom would never allow arrogant US to threaten their freedom. Don't mess up with us!!!
If you don't know Afghan nation the proudest nation on earth. You can never define freedom. What some racist white European American or European writers tell you is not true. Get education.
What makes us think we can succeed where the Brits failed, then the Soviets failed. Being bogged down in Afghanistan was a major factor in the Soviet Union's decline. The difference is Al Qaeda & company made it personal...THEY ATTACKED US FIRST, REMEMBER? Hopefully our economy....and our will to fight... is strong enough to withstand the terrible cost of this conflict. But Biden's idea to do tactical operations? What an idiot. Either do it right...pour in the troops...or get the hell out!!
The petition that was sent to the government was for 40,000 American troops. Now, think about that for a second; do we have that many troops available to ship them to Afghanistan? The answer is no. We might have that number of troops available, but it's not just about having the number of soldiers, it's about getting them ready for combat. That process, despite what the Dem or Reps do or say, will take about 6 months. It will take 6 months to send the troops over there.
screwed either way now, walk away from an ongoing fist fight your going to get hit in the back of the head, only way is either to take the beating, reason with the opponent, or knock the opponent out, knockout here isnt viable, taking the beating unlikely as the US has a superiority complex :P reason with the opponent, only way.
After all that has been done, america will have to take the aftermath, and that is some folks in the world who have reason for unfriendly actions. How do you want to put their mind at rest, that is unsettled by all theese war atrocities they associate with the USA ?
The sense of mission the old grek and roman people had avoided things like that, how comes methods they knew are forgotten nowadays ?
we just spent $800 million to bomb the moon and there's people on the eirth that are starving to death and don't have proper drinking water. We're living in a time of insanity. The US president represents HOPE may be our last hope.
"NOW THAT THEY'VE STARTED, it's gonna take a lot of effort and possibly lives..." The US has been there for 8 f*cking years now. The problem is, Bush was so eager to invade Iraq, that had nothing to do with 9/11, that he shifted resources away from fighting the taliban and al qaeda up until the point where we are now. In stead of illegaly invading Iraq, he should have stayed focused on afghanistan.
Have are Pharmaceutical companies buy the opium from the Taliban and they will become our ally. They might even allow an oil pipeline to run through their territory. You get more flies with honey than vinegar.
It's an interesting idea about the opium, but from the people, not from the Taliban. You know we were negotiating with the Taliban for years to do the gas and oil pipelines while they were cutting up the citizens and blowing up the buddhas? We had to bomb them to get that going, they didn't want our money. I think we need to be very careful about backing dictators again. It comes out worse every time.
The same people that said that Iraq would never be "won" are now saying that Afghanistan never will be "won". A win is when they feel that Al Qaeda has been eradicated from the area and the Afghan government can stand. If NATO withdraws the Taliban will cease power and the hope for a better future for the Afghan people will be lost once again as one of the most backwards and brutal regimes regains power and gives a safe haven for terrorists. What you did in Iraq you need to do in Afghanistan.
I think it's great that you talk with people on the street about important issues. I love the format, I think people are craving this kind of interaction, too much of what we talk about is trivial.
Also it's cool that it's on the streets of Manhattan!
America wins only when it stops its interventionist foreign policy. Bring all foreign based troops home, cut their numbers in half, and start acting like Switzerland.
500 years from now, when Afghanistan has made the transformation from a tribal society to an egalitarian civil society, you can proclaim victory.
annata12 1 year ago
@annata12 I think that's being a bit too optimistic. Not because of Afghanistan but I doubt humanity will survive another 500 years. The wrong misanthrope will get the right bug to release for the global plague; George Bush the 14th will sit on the nuclear button blowing it all to hell. Think about it: Humanity is just smart enough to make nuclear weapons and just dumb enough to use them.
magicpet 1 year ago
when our two u.s. embassies were blown up in 1998, I thought what will happen to those terrorists (bin laden) now? A few tomahawk missles and all was well in the world then. Remember? Monica was the big topic then. What happened after that? Wellll, the Uss Cole in October 2000 was blown up. and what happened? nothing...gore vs bush happened. then what? Oh, bush blew up the twin towers. I remember now.
STILLNAKEDBULLWINKLE 1 year ago
sorry, did not proofread. :(
STILLNAKEDBULLWINKLE 1 year ago
what my friend learned is that to cherish all your time. my friend is of faith as am I and said he will be able to finish a conversation some day that they had before his death. My friend knows how difficult a mission it is over there. He said it was like going back to the old testament over there. and, he said some parts were very beautiful as he described and area he jogged with snow cap mountains near by. It was an amazing dinner and to see him again tonight was awesome.
STILLNAKEDBULLWINKLE 1 year ago
I just had dinner tonight with my friend who just returned from his one year deployment in afghanistan. He is such a good young man. I his twenties and had someone he met there and became friends with killed by a rocket propelled grenade. this soldier push another solider out of the way when he saw the enemy with a rpg aimed at them. this solider had a wife, child, and his wife was pregnant too. cont
STILLNAKEDBULLWINKLE 1 year ago
The governments idea of a WIN is getting what this war was really started over getting all the OIL!
(Believe it or not).
scorpionkings 2 years ago
You got oil on one side and you got oil on the other side.. and you got upcoming economies in the middle. Now one side you have Iran and on the other side Russia. One side wants to make a nuke, and is called ash of evil Iran, who more than ones told to destroy Israel and the USA. The otherside already got nukes. I think we're doing Russias job.
Brulluhman 2 years ago
sweetie, the proud and brave Afghan nation have taught lessons to all invaders now it is final game for the brave and great Afghan nation to teach European American invaders. Afghans have already defeated you.
afghanmountainking 2 years ago
Let's not forget the recent history for being in Afganistan... it's to prevent terrorist groups from forming and to protect americans from another attack similar to 9-11. Get out of Afganistan and focus on the real terrorists responsible for the attacks on 9-11. George Bush and many within his administration are responsible for designing the attack on 9-11, while using the media to focus americans on other countires as being responsible. It's about greed people, and americans are guilty.
mikeandlaurie1979 2 years ago
If the Soviets couldn't break them with an iron fist, how the crap are we supposed to do it with a velvet glove?
clayp72 2 years ago 2
Every govt employee including the President should make a pledge...No More Inside Jobs...
Grange34 2 years ago
The Taliban and Alquida being compleatly destroyed.
freddymagick 2 years ago
Afghanistan = catching bin laden... but its been like 8 years... where is bin laden? still hiding in the cave....
jackuy12345 2 years ago 2
we could waterboard Cheney to find out where his ally is...
Grange34 2 years ago
Died in December, 2001.
waysane 2 years ago
u r retarded, he just released vids on 2008 about obama's winning, watch news first before u even come up here and talk shit
jackuy12345 2 years ago
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waysane 2 years ago
The "news" you want me to watch is the source of your ignorance. It's people like you that makes it possible for them to get away with this crap. Wake up or bury your yellow head in the sand.
waysane 2 years ago
LOL u think every single news are fake, only what u think is real.... stfu why would i listen to ur little bullshit? stop trying be a teacher and teach other ppl stuff, everybody has his point of view so shut the fuck up and go fuck urself
jackuy12345 2 years ago
go ahead and stay on your knees, coward.
waysane 2 years ago
removed ur comment? LMAO cuz u know u got it wrong and u typed retarded shit in there, think twice before u put comments dumbass, dont put them than delete, coward
jackuy12345 2 years ago
I love You ;D
Zazilium 2 years ago
Please get a new tag line instead of "the bottom line." Ugh!
America2France 2 years ago
You have gorgeous ears.
funkydafunker 2 years ago
IRAN is surrounded by Pakistan/Israel and India all who have Nuclear Capability but have not signed to the NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION TREATY.......and the world expects IRan to comply????
MajNorberg 2 years ago
The black guy sympathizing with the Afghan people is right, but what about when we were never there? Like before 9/11? Why were we attacked then?
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
US was there in late 70's to train War Lords who we know today as the Taliban...CIA history..look it up.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
I don't think training and arming the Taliban in the 70s is al quada's reason for 9/11.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
If Americans actually read the 911 commission regarding the testimony of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed On Page 147 people would know the motivation for 911.
..Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept.11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with U.S. Foreign Policy favoring Israel... 9/11 Commission Report, p147
US needs to rethink its Foreign Policy.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
I know that. Anybody over the age of 10 knows that. But that's the reason they attack us? Because we HELPED them fight off the Soviets? Or is it maybe due to our support of Israel? I dont' get it. The Jews have one fricking country compared to the 20+ that the Islamic world has. Why can't they just have one nation?
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
asianwannabeamerican: so bombing the Palestinians out of tiny little strip called Gaza is the ethical way to do this....maybe make a few friends along the way....???
MajNorberg 2 years ago
You're completely twisting my words and adding words that were never there. I'm not saying kick the Palestinians out. Here's my question to both sides, the Israelis and Palestinians: IS IT THAT FUCKING HARD TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM YOU?!?!?! Israel: Stop the fucking occupation, right freaking NOW! Palestinians: if you fucking stop attacking the Israelis, maybe they won't do shit to you.
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
asianwannabeamerican: then you might like the progress with the GOLDSTONE address to the UN....would definitely hold those accountable (usually those in power) and allow peace for civilians on both sides of the border....sound a like a good plan?
MajNorberg 2 years ago
I'm for anything that will make both sides shut the frick up. I'm Asian, that doesn't mean I can't have a white guy, or a black guy, or a Mexican as a neighbor right? I'm Christian, that doesn't mean that I won't allow a synagogue or a mosque or a Hindu temple in my town. Why is that so hard to do?? sorry about the strong wording, but I'm just tired of hearing this crap. This got old 60 years ago. How much were Muslims persecuted....compared to Jews? And for what reason especially before 1948-9?
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
dude I have nothings against you...only US FOREIGN POLICY...
If you're asian...you should ask why US BOMBED Cambodia without declaring War...clear war crime.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
the US was trying to flush Vietcong out of Cambodia, only to do the opposite. Trust me, most Cambodians place pretty much all of the blame on Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. They generally feel, "well, the US tried to stop communist but they failed when they tried to help us. but it's Pol Pot's fault because HE was the one that killed so many of us. HE was the one that made things worse than they had to be." Does that make sense to you or what?
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
VIETNAM +IRAQ + FAIL
MajNorberg 2 years ago
asianwannabeamerican: all I'm saying is Get the proper warrant for a dictator...but do they really have to put the WHOLE country into Martial LAW...where civilians have no rights whatsoever.....and continue raping the wealth of these countries.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident....similar to the GUlf of Hormuz.....US say they were "attacked" but both incidents disproved....
MajNorberg 2 years ago
USS Liberty
Operation Northwoods
Operation Gladio
Oaklahom City Bomb
911
Pat Tilman
all proven inside jobs
Grange34 2 years ago
Hay dumb fuck 911 was not an inside job neither was the Oaklahoma city bombing.
Pat Tilman was killed by freindly fire it was an accident shit happens in combat
freddymagick 2 years ago
you made an assumption that Al Quaida attacked the US:
It is a matter of public record that the Taliban government did not attack the USA in 9/11.
It is also a matter of public record that Osama bin Laden and his organization (Al Quaida) are only suspected of direct involvement in the attack of 9/11, there being no trial as yet to determine the facts.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Number 1: No one's saying that the Taliban attacked us. Al-Qaeda did. They are two completely different entities mutually supporting eachother. Taliban only focuses on Afghanistan and Pakistan. Al-Qaeda has agents all over the world. And you're right, we haven't had a trial but just because we haven't caught a criminal, doesn't mean that he's innocent or guilty until he is caught. Your true guilt or innocence is cemented before a trial ever happens. Courts just make them "official" on paper.
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
but that also requires "EVIDENCE"....and if the us really had this so called EVIDENCE...why not flaunt it like the "EVIDENCE" for WMD's in iraq.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
concerning WMD's in Iraq: Bush was just being the goof that he is. He misread signals. As you know, Iraq and Iran hated eachother. Saddam wanted everyone to think that he had something to hide so that way, Iran wouldn't realize how weak he was. But really, he basically shot himself in the foot with his defiance because he was attacked anyway by us.
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
Remember the Arms trade in 1982 between Rumsfeld and Hussein....after which Hussein immediately gassed his own people....you can call that aiding and abetting the enemy.....
How many more examples do you want....I got more.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Have you also forgotten the IRAN CONTRA AFFAIR?...where US got caught with their pants down trading arms with a KNOWN enemy.....you could also called that Aiding and Abetting the enemy...
But REGAN and his buddies used their high ranks for immunity from the courts....
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Yeah, I know about that. Shame. They should have sat back instead. If the Bloods and Crips are killing eachother, it makes no sense for the cops to join in on one side or the other. It should be punishing both sides. Just another example of terrible policy coming from the rear ends of politicians that don't know how to think. Almost none of these people would be in public office if they weren't rich.
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
ahhh....but the middle east is all a proxy wars...just follow where the weapons are made.....2 Major suppliers.....US and Russia......AK's and M2 TAnks....
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Isn't almost everything a proxy war? We may not officially be at war with Iran. But if you include proxy wars, then we've been at war with Iran in some fashion or other since the Iranian Revolution.
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
no we haven't been at war with Iran for almost 40 years......Look at the "ATOMS for PEACE " Program...a nuclear venture with US /Iran and Pakistan (1953's to late 70's)......US shared Nuclear Technology....and even won joint awards for their efforts....friends one day enemies the next.......
MajNorberg 2 years ago
I think Bush pretty much screwed us up with Iran. He calls them part of the Axis of Evil right about the same time they were willing to help us in Afghanistan. Ironic...at least it's entertaining to make fun of Bush.
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
can you see why some people on this planet may not be in favour of US interventionism....don't get me wrong...people love Americans...but that is separate from US Foreign policy....and the precedence of wars in the last 50 years .....can lead to a lot of bad blood.....can anyone be surprised about 911?
MajNorberg 2 years ago
I don't think anyone can be surprised by 9/11. but it still doesn't make it right. The tectonic underlying problem is there's a huge misunderstanding between the larger Islamic world and the West. They think we're imperialists and so they fight us. We think they're terrorists if they attack and therefore it's a vicious cycle. People need to step up on each side. Moderate Muslims and well-rounded politicians have to work together. Instead, we've got radicals and aristocrats. Average people suffer
asianwannabeamerican 2 years ago
Ahh...but interventionism and Imperialism have been around for centuries...do you think people will actually lay down and give the wealth of their countries away to super powers with out blinking an eye
?
US oil firms often sell the oil in IRaq unmetered...so who knows where the profilts go...you think it would go back to the IRAQI people...but no....How about reversing that...let foreign nations come into the US and steal their wealth....it's a double standard...not really a surprise again.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
afghanistan is a 'country' in the most loose sense of the word; it's more like random groupings of tribes. secondly, al quada has been able to recruit more terrorists since we've starting intervening in their affairs. the more we chase, the more they run and hide. pakistan hasn't committed to stamping them out. and we decide to bomb pakistan? what kind of foreign policy is that? we need to send in cia ops and bring all the ground troops home. al quaeda has not interest in killing muslims, morons
Hairylegs25 2 years ago
"This is a limited program designed to prevent attacks on the United States of America -- and I repeat: limited." -George W. Bush (January,1, 2006) Regarding NSA warrantless surveillance programs.
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one." -Hitler (March,23,1933) Regarding THe Enabling Act.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
People need to know that it is the Islamic Republic that governs the state of Afghanistan...not the Taliban. The Taliban/Al qaida are stateless.....
Declaring war on the state of Afghanistan is a war crime.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Regarding Iraq: Citizens have no rights under marrtial LAw.......Perpetual war does not lead to Perpetual Peace.!
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:
*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.
*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.
*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Hey, I was in Destin, Florida relaxing.....Another Outstanding Video....How do you stay so positive and focused ? ! LOL, I Love ya ! Have a great week !
ART1975CZ 2 years ago
the people interviewed are morons
zazder0 2 years ago
Bin Laden is a stateless man and his crew. Pre-emptive strikes on other states such as Afghanistan is a war crime.....If Bid Laden hid the UK or Italy...would the US bomb the entire country like they did IRAQ/Afghanistan.
There is no perpetual peace in a perpetual war.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
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zazder0 2 years ago
It isn't just about Bin Laden. The Taliban go from village to village and burn down schools, deny girls the right to learn, recruiters grab boys as young as 6 to become suicide bombers, ban music, ban all books except one, ban free speech. These are the true war crimes. The "preemptive strikes" you refer to are in fact not preemptive because they are in response to acts already being committed. UK and Italy are not controlled by radical militant sharia law. (although the UK is well on it's way)
Anphib 2 years ago
Anphib: what's the difference to what's happening in Darfur and Rawanda....regarding War Lords...only it's being done in a genocidal scale in africa...why not go there and treat real terrorism.....Taliban is small compared to the Genocides in Africa.
Anyone remember Mugabe?
MajNorberg 2 years ago
MajNorberg: The reason we went to Afghanistan rather then Darfur or Rwanda is because of the massive network of camps and safe houses Osama bin Laden and his operatives had to train thousands of young Muslims to wage a global jihad. The African war lords are brutal, but they keep that brutality within their own borders unlike radical Islamic terrorists many of whom were trained in Afghanistan and have placed terrorist cells in many countries over the years. Global terror is a much bigger threat.
Anphib 2 years ago
Anphib: I do agree with you. Sure! Oil has nothing to do with it. The most dangerous country in the World is the one which have developed, built, and used nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons; the one which would not listen to the UN Security Council; the one whith the biggest record of militar invations of free countries through the History, spreading global terror called war. Huh... That is Afghanistan, right? Or was it Iraq?
blkgator 2 years ago
I have been a strong supporter of the FACT that the US invaded Iraq for oil, and I have been in many heated arguments with my conservative friends about that same issue when the war first began.
At the same time I also supported the removal of the training camps in Afghanistan and the war against Al-Queda and the Taliban.
The question asked of me by "MajNorberg" was not which country posed the biggest threat, rather why the US went to Afghanistan rather then Darfur or Rwanda.
Anphib 2 years ago
Anphib:
You support the fact that US invaded IRAQ for Oil? and your point with that is? Are you confusing Global Security with "American Security"....can you spread some of that "Global Security" to Africa??
If you're concerned about global security...why doesn't Israel Sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty....Extremists in Israel could become the next "Taliban"...this time they have Nukes that the US provided......the Taliban don't....who's the bigger threat.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Supporter of the fact, not the invasion... Try to keep up.
Anphib 2 years ago
I have no issues going after terrorists like Bin Laden..but they act on their own accord.....that doesn't require the entire country to go under martial law.....you can't "Spread " democracy with Martial LAw....Civilians have no rights under Martial LAw.....Iraqi's currently live under Martial LAw....you get my drift?...Where's Justice ?...Where's Democracy in the Middle East....you believe it only belongs to Americans....Complete glaring Hypocrisy.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Anphib: you say " I have been a strong supporter of the FACT that the US invaded Iraq for oil"
We have high confidence that they have WMD. That is what this war Was about & it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
--Ari Fleischer, 4/10/2003 "Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida"
AFter reviewing 600,00 captured Iraqi documents. -Pentagon(March 11,2008)
MajNorberg 2 years ago
"Nothing has come to our notice that would indicate links between Iraq and al-Qaida," Michael Chandler, the committee's chief investigator, said at a briefing at U.N. headquarters in New York.(June 26,2003)
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Anphib: It was US FORIEGN POLICY that trained the TALIBAN...unforseen results is just BLOWBACK...ie 911.
So you're saying a Genocide like RAWANDA is does not concern the US as long as it stays within it's borders?DO you even know how many people died in RAWANDA and DARFUR???
Have you heard of Nigerian Pirates.These war lords do not stay in their own borders.
If you say Terror is Global..then you really can't wage war on a state can you? It's an ideology It's like waging war on Jealousy.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Yes the US trained them in the past but that does not mean they are any less of a threat to global security, in fact it makes them more of a threat.
Fact remains that the US thought the terrorist training camps posed more of a threat to global security then any war lord or pirate, I never claimed genocides are of no concern to the US.
You asked me a question, why the Allies sent troops to one region and not to another and I answered you based on what I know. Take it or leave it.
Anphib 2 years ago
Anphib: u say " Yes the US trained them in the past but that does not mean they are any less of a threat to global security, in fact it makes them more of a threat."
..no accountability what so ever.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
I'm not American buddy.
Speaking of accountability, I answered your question and your best retort is "..no accountability what so ever."
I have yet to hear an argument from you as to how sending troops into Africa would have a more substantial impact on terrorism as opposed to Afghanistan?
Anphib 2 years ago
Anphib: I have nothing against Americans as mentioned a few posts ago...only US FOREIGN POLICY.
I have yet to hear an argument as to why We can't use the example of the Trials at Nuremberg for Crimes Against Humanity to convict dictators and uphold justice as the same time.....rather than bombing/stealing the wealth of IRAQ and placing it's civilian populace under martial LAW...That is not spreading democracy..
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Anphib : u say "I have yet to hear an argument from you as to how sending troops into Africa would have a more substantial impact on terrorism as opposed to Afghanistan?"
that's a presupposition.
So what ever happened to Israel not signing the NUCLEAR NON_PROLIFERATION TREATY...that's a clear threat to "GLOBAL" SECURITY....
MajNorberg 2 years ago
position: "why not go there and treat real terrorism"
Because terrorist training camps in Afghanistan are not "real terrorism" right?
Anphib 2 years ago
You know they have War Lords have training camp stoo...they're not picky..they include kids too...ever hear of CHILD SOLDIERS???...."Terrorism " can be applied to criminals/warlords.....it's not just for ARABS anymore.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Stop acting naive. You know very well the training camps in Darfur and Rwanda do not produce international terrorists, so from an intelligence stand point it is very clear why the US would not pick those areas as targets to stem terrorism.
I'm done playing this back and forth game with you as you seem to dodge and weave when presented with adequate rebuttals. Have a nice day, and happy trolling!
Anphib 2 years ago
Anphib : you ignore the death tolls of Genocide in Africa....and counting
MajNorberg 2 years ago
MajNorberg : you ignore the fact that i'm done feeding the troll.
Anphib 2 years ago
Anphib : you confuse nationalism and patriotism with Nazism
MajNorberg 2 years ago
lol how so? by stating that the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan are more of a terrorist threat then what goes on in Darfur you have somehow come to the conclusion that this train of thought is associated with Nazism? hahaha You're a nut job!
Anphib 2 years ago
no you have....
So what ever happened to Israel not signing the NUCLEAR NON_PROLIFERATION TREATY...that's a clear threat to "GLOBAL" SECURITY....
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Wrong guy moron, I have not stated anything of Israel. So again you're a nut job!
Anphib 2 years ago
why not address Israel...I mean..that's why 911 happened. Media loves to ignore this fact.
US foreign policy bias for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
and US government support for the other oppressive regimes in the Middle East.
..Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept.11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with U.S. Foreign Policy favoring Israel... 9/11 Commission Report, p147
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Ad homenims....you're resorting that????
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Only when said argument originates from Trolls. Come back when you actually want an intelligent discussion.
Anphib 2 years ago
Come back when you have more than OPINION..
GOLDSTONE REPORT TAKES PRECEDENCE at UN COUNCIL......suck on that.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure trolls are not granted seats on the UN Council, but then again that is just my OPINION.
Anphib 2 years ago
Ad hominems ...the last refuge of weak minds...argument lost buddy.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Trolling... the last refuge of weak and bored minds... yes you did lose your one sided argument.
Anphib 2 years ago
..peace to you too..thanks for the replies.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
the sound track is off
i like your videos
very cool
autotyme 2 years ago
You seriously, seriously, need to stay away from real issues. You make yourself look as ditzy and uninformed as some of the people you interview. I'd be willing to be most of those people could not find Afghanistan on a map, let alone tell you who the players are in the theater or what the potential costs are of losing. Look at it this way. In spite of amateurs saying get out, the "transparency" President chose to slip a few thousand more troops in. Why do you suppose?
theloniousMac 2 years ago
Whats a win in Afganistan?
three points and preferably a clean sheet.
CescBalboa 2 years ago
Yes, but no one has given a precise definition of winning. Initially, I thought the mission was to kill Osama. This is a concrete definition. But I think ppl forgot about that. Now they say the mission is to prevent future attacks on the US. This is a more nebulous definition of "winning" because we can not determine whether we have "won" or not at the time of our withdrawal. We will have to wait an indefinite number of years after we pull out to determine whether we won our lost.
jayleeds2006 2 years ago
....for example. If we pull out in 2010 and then we attacked by a group of a few dozen terrorists in 2015, does that mean we failed in 2010? I say yes. So now the US is trying to determine how much military force to apply to reduce the chances of that happening. Ideally, if the US could kill 100% of the insurgents with 0% civilian causalities that would be a perfect mission complete. Realistically, wars increase civilian casualties, anti-US sentiment, and convert children to future insurgents.
jayleeds2006 2 years ago
So from my point of view, we decrease our chances of winning (defined as not suffering a future attack on the US) the longer we occupy Afghanistan (and Iraq). Why? Simple put, the more people we kill over there, the more they will want to kill over here. The more we reduce there quality of life, quite naturally the more they will want to retaliate. I am not able to see a military solution. I think the US should withdraw immediately.
jayleeds2006 2 years ago
Well they did kill Osama many years ago. Barley got a mention in the news (for 2 days) and they still go on as if he is still alive making annual tapes. So there is probably some other political motive behind the continuation of these wars. I have no idea what, all the people in power no doubt know a lot of things we dont know. Like one guy on the street said about Obama, what changed his mind? He is definitely not gaining any popularity by staying in a war he said was going to pull out of.
b0b0maj0 2 years ago
0:38 a wise man!
CressFerriera 2 years ago
win in Afghanistan seems to be securing the gas pump lines and scaring both Russia and China by making a permanent military station.
bigal21110 2 years ago
True. Do you remember when there were riots in Afganistan a few years ago when it was revealed/leaked that NATO's "WOT" was a pretext to threaten China strategically?
198madman 2 years ago
when millions of civilians/innocents afgan's and iraqi's have died there just makin more enemys around the world than actually doin anythin useful
petesmart1983 2 years ago 2
A fascinating beast is the Taliban
It's quest makes no sense to the smarter man
So aim the drones rightly
Shoot proper and mightily
And bomb away all that you can
TheJeffShadowShow 2 years ago
[It's quest makes no sense to the smarter man] LOL SO NOW YOU ARE THE smarter man?
The smarter man can read between the lines , can you the smart one?
Gaus212 2 years ago
A win in Afghanistan is nullifying the country as a terrorist threat and then leaving. There is nothing else worth fighting for there. The Taliban is to proud to allow democracy and human rights and they know there is a killing to be made selling heroine.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
Actually that's not entirely true. A win is nullifying the country and surrounding areas e.g. Pakistan and then leaving. If the Taliban isn't pacified and Al Queda isn't eliminated then the war isn't over( Pacified in the sense that the Taliban doesn't pose a terrorist threat or a threat to harbor terrorists) . I think as far as vengence goes 6 years of slaughter has satisifed American bloodlust.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
WHy don't the US go to Africa where there's more dictators, war lords and less oil.....anybody forgot RAWANDA.......
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Africa doesn't pose a threat to America's security and economy, Afghanistan does. Stabilizing Africa and it's economy can lead to more of the rainforest being cut down which in turn would lead to faster global warming.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
poopsmudge: the War Lords are a threat to it's own people...similar to Hussein and his populace and he wasn't a threat to US...good to see you only care about your "kind"....
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Hussein was a threat to the US. He threatened to destabilize the middle east through war and he threatened to cause the price of oil to go up many fold. He used weapons of mass destruction on surrounding countries. The only thing stopping him from using WMDs on the US out of revenge was the fact he didn't have any at the time, which doesn't say what the future could have been.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
I have issues with Dictators...what I have issues with is that the US could have used International LAW and use Hussein's crimes against humanity agruement against him...He would have stood trial..similar to Nazi henchmen in the Trials of Nuremburg and satisfy Justice actually working.
Patriot Act works outside the law and allows the raping of an entire state for just one dictator.
Hussein is gone..military rule provides no democracy to civilians which is the case currently in IRAQ.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Hussein did stand trial and he was excuted. Crimes against humanity were used against him. The US had to invade Iraq because Hussein and his brother's owned the country.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
After Hussein was excuted there was a big void left behind which was filled by the US. The US is gradually leaveing and being replaced by the Iraqi democracy.and it's military forces.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
Government only said they would pull troops....but they never said pull Privatized Military/Special OPS/Covert and High Rank Officials.....not really democracy I stated before when it's civilian population lives under military rule.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
"gradually"
poopsmudge 2 years ago
poopsmudge: Bid Laden is not a state....It's a war crime to use war or threat of war on a state that hasn't delcared war on the US. If the US wanted to apply Justice to the Taliban all it would have to do is get cooperation from the Afghan Government to deal with the War Lords...it doesn't require raping the whole country and it's citizen....which is exactly what happened in IRAQ/CAMBODIA/KOREA/BOSNIA/TIMOUR/etc.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
So the Us, China, France, Britain, and whoever else commited a war crime when they invaded Afghanistan to oust the Taliban? 9/11 was a declaration of war btw. The Taliban is still fighting so there is a war. Just because an insurgency doesn't represent the state doesn't make the war illegal.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
Ahhh..but the Taliban is not a state nor does it run Government today...The Islamic REPUBLIC runs it....REPUBLIC......
MajNorberg 2 years ago
So essentialy the entire west was wrong when they invaded Afghanistan and you are right.
poopsmudge 2 years ago
Clinton tried that for a short period of time, the US still needs to learn that they are not the world police.
b0b0maj0 2 years ago
watch?v=HotnTmLI7b4
RevolutionaryJam 2 years ago
izlam=DANGER.
teachtruth2U 2 years ago
listen carefully to all of these americans and do something to stop this war or not long from today you people wont have enough troops to defend your own country.
WORLD KNOWS THROUGH THE HISTORY THAT AFGHANS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEAT AND AFGHANISTAN HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE THE GRAVE YARD OF EMPIRES AND AMERICA IS ECONOMICALY BANKCRUPT COUNTRY AND AMERICANS ARE WISE AND PEACE LOVING BUT FOOLED BY THIER OWN LEADERS(JEW PUPPETS)
bzzzyk2007 2 years ago
Afghanistan is like that girl you don't want to get tied to... remember to pull out before it's too late.
librano 2 years ago
these videos are so utterly banal
Wibblypig 2 years ago
"Once lead this people into war and they'll forget there ever was such a thing as tolerance. To fight you must be brutal and ruthless and the spirit of ruthlessness will enter into the very fiber of our national life, infecting Congress, the courts, the policeman on the beat, the man in the street."
—Woodrow Wilson (five days prior to asking Congress to declare war on Germany in 1917)
MajNorberg 2 years ago
WAKEY WAKEY PEOPLE...... WE ARE STILL KILLING EACH OTHER OVER MONEY
:D Oh well......back to work
SOCRATES012 2 years ago
get the hell out of Afghanistan no more dying of our troops put them on our border to kill the illegals and anyone crossing the border
billyjoelmartin 2 years ago
afghanmountainking is sort of right here. The resident summarized a complex issue in two sentences and then puts people on the air that have not a clue.
The second guy mixes up Iraq and Afghanistan, basically thinking the two are the same. They aren't!
dsmoya31410 2 years ago
Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:
*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.
*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.
*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).
MajNorberg 2 years ago
MajNorberg,
I would agree with you to a point. But you are forgetting one thing. The US, or any other nationalistic country today, does not have the same economic condition that the Treaty of Versailles imposed on 1919 Germany: hyperinflation, 25% or higher unemployment. If we did, for sure those examples you gave would rise to the surface.
But you are correct in that those ideologies do spur on movements like Fascism and Nazism. But they need dire economic conditions to gain momentum.
gizmo2084 2 years ago
But we have rising inflation and unemployment, and we have corporate control over the government. We are perilously close to a new fascism, or another way to put it would be, we are already there, it's just not as bad as Germany had it - yet. It's not like there's a playbook we must follow.
TheGiantRobot 2 years ago
Yes, I agree. We currently live in under Corporatism. Getting closer and closer to corporate fascism.
The social fascism hasn't started yet -- not on a grassroots level, yet. Their recruits would be the teabaggers and other fringe groups.
gizmo2084 2 years ago
I get glaring parallels:
"Against this adversary there is only one effective response: We will never back down, we will never give in, and we will never accept anything less than complete victory."
GEORGE W. BUSH November 30, 2005
The fortress of Europe with its frontiers must be held and will be held too, as long as is necessary.
Heinrich Himmler
MajNorberg 2 years ago
"This is a limited program designed to prevent attacks on the United States of America -- and I repeat: limited." -George W. Bush (January,1, 2006) Regarding NSA warrantless surveillance programs.
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one." -Hitler (March,23,1933) Regarding THe Enabling Act.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Hitler only came to power because he used the burning of the Reichstag as a fallen symbol of Geman Sovereignty and Nationalism.
Similar to Bush using the 911 attacks to rouse a strong Nationalistic agenda for just war.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
The terrorist is the one with the small bomb.!!!
MajNorberg 2 years ago
The US has a responsibility to finish what it started. It's been allowing other countries to sweep up after them, and now that many of those countries are slowly pulling out, it's the US' turn to step up and finish it. I am glad that Obama is taking responsibility for his country.
starfruitmango 2 years ago
US troops guard the poppy plants. Duh. Why do you think heroin imports into this country have increased? War and drugs are what America is all about. We sell your children the drugs and then we make more profit when we incarcerate them. When will you people get it? You are being duped.
johnknight999 2 years ago
Great story Lori! Keep it up!
iLvcifer 2 years ago
We went to Afghanistan to kill or capture members of The Base (Al-Qaeda) they numbered about 3000 at the time of invasion we havent killed or captured anywhere near that number, but we have spent our time trying to impose democracy on the Afghani people and kicking the Taliban out of town that was not the mission nor should it be the mission. Victory is the killing or capture of the criminal gang The Base (Al-Qaeda) Osama Bin Laden head on a Pike or leave now end of mission.
mightymouseaustralia 2 years ago
You know they could just get a warrant for Bin Laden...rather than imposing Military Occupation where civilians have no rights under pre-emptive Wars....is that democracy?
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Very true, and we took our eye off the ball and went to Iraq for some cheap oil.
ironlamb 2 years ago
the black guy is right america thinks it can fuck with people and not be attacked tipical bully and you all know why the bully acts this way: 1st small dick, 2nd no real friends, 3rd is the cowardest but has to act big, 4th mamma and daddy never love it, everyone it waiting for this bully to drop dead.
skylineTG1 2 years ago
the most conservative, racist and intolelerant European Americans never faced nation like Afghan. The proudest Afghan nation who always defended their freedom would never allow arrogant US to threaten their freedom. Don't mess up with us!!!
afghanmountainking 2 years ago
what freedom?
arodin 2 years ago 2
If you don't know Afghan nation the proudest nation on earth. You can never define freedom. What some racist white European American or European writers tell you is not true. Get education.
afghanmountainking 2 years ago
Or maybe more importantly, who's freedom?
TheGiantRobot 2 years ago
What makes us think we can succeed where the Brits failed, then the Soviets failed. Being bogged down in Afghanistan was a major factor in the Soviet Union's decline. The difference is Al Qaeda & company made it personal...THEY ATTACKED US FIRST, REMEMBER? Hopefully our economy....and our will to fight... is strong enough to withstand the terrible cost of this conflict. But Biden's idea to do tactical operations? What an idiot. Either do it right...pour in the troops...or get the hell out!!
oblibious47 2 years ago
The petition that was sent to the government was for 40,000 American troops. Now, think about that for a second; do we have that many troops available to ship them to Afghanistan? The answer is no. We might have that number of troops available, but it's not just about having the number of soldiers, it's about getting them ready for combat. That process, despite what the Dem or Reps do or say, will take about 6 months. It will take 6 months to send the troops over there.
milloselmejor 2 years ago
Afghanistans biggest problem is Pakistan.
ProcyonAlpha 2 years ago
screwed either way now, walk away from an ongoing fist fight your going to get hit in the back of the head, only way is either to take the beating, reason with the opponent, or knock the opponent out, knockout here isnt viable, taking the beating unlikely as the US has a superiority complex :P reason with the opponent, only way.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 years ago
I agree with bj616. It's a tremendous waste.
Metroid02099 2 years ago
I say end the war. Waste of money and human life.
bj616 2 years ago 4
"as long as humans exist there will always be wars"
its sad but true, and as Einstein said "i dont know what WW3 will be fought with but i can tell you what WW4 will be fought with, rocks and sticks"
human nature, we are naturally driven to kill each other for no reason.
scaglietti03 2 years ago
ah, another resident video, where America haters in America come to gather
aallppiinnee 2 years ago
After all that has been done, america will have to take the aftermath, and that is some folks in the world who have reason for unfriendly actions. How do you want to put their mind at rest, that is unsettled by all theese war atrocities they associate with the USA ?
The sense of mission the old grek and roman people had avoided things like that, how comes methods they knew are forgotten nowadays ?
homerilias 2 years ago
we just spent $800 million to bomb the moon and there's people on the eirth that are starving to death and don't have proper drinking water. We're living in a time of insanity. The US president represents HOPE may be our last hope.
johnt49 2 years ago
NO one will defeat the Afghans they are the LIONS of asia and loves killing the invaders
basak983 2 years ago
"NOW THAT THEY'VE STARTED, it's gonna take a lot of effort and possibly lives..." The US has been there for 8 f*cking years now. The problem is, Bush was so eager to invade Iraq, that had nothing to do with 9/11, that he shifted resources away from fighting the taliban and al qaeda up until the point where we are now. In stead of illegaly invading Iraq, he should have stayed focused on afghanistan.
fredooooooo 2 years ago 2
Have are Pharmaceutical companies buy the opium from the Taliban and they will become our ally. They might even allow an oil pipeline to run through their territory. You get more flies with honey than vinegar.
5 stars.
proffmongo 2 years ago
It's an interesting idea about the opium, but from the people, not from the Taliban. You know we were negotiating with the Taliban for years to do the gas and oil pipelines while they were cutting up the citizens and blowing up the buddhas? We had to bomb them to get that going, they didn't want our money. I think we need to be very careful about backing dictators again. It comes out worse every time.
TheGiantRobot 2 years ago
The same people that said that Iraq would never be "won" are now saying that Afghanistan never will be "won". A win is when they feel that Al Qaeda has been eradicated from the area and the Afghan government can stand. If NATO withdraws the Taliban will cease power and the hope for a better future for the Afghan people will be lost once again as one of the most backwards and brutal regimes regains power and gives a safe haven for terrorists. What you did in Iraq you need to do in Afghanistan.
sebastian577 2 years ago
I think it's great that you talk with people on the street about important issues. I love the format, I think people are craving this kind of interaction, too much of what we talk about is trivial.
Also it's cool that it's on the streets of Manhattan!
jackson32 2 years ago
America wins only when it stops its interventionist foreign policy. Bring all foreign based troops home, cut their numbers in half, and start acting like Switzerland.
bradwatson7324 2 years ago
That's what Ron Paul says.
homerilias 2 years ago
that last man who spoke is RIGHT!! i'd be mad to
darkjediken323 2 years ago
Afghanistan has never been conquered. And it never will.
p.s. Laurie. There are other NATO nations involved in Afghanistan other than america.
LFCLibertine123 2 years ago