Conservative: “I really hate having my hard-earned money taken from me to pay taxes that go to the poor and unemployed. I could have used that money to buy a brand new car!” Liberal: “Typical greedy-Conservative! No Compassion! Sorry, you’re going to have to forego this year’s brand new car to do something good for once, like help the needy.” Unemployed Assembly Worker: “I wish people would just start buying new cars so I could get of these welfare checks and get my old job back!"
@prajkum1 The point in my original post was to mock you for saying anyone who disagreed with you is a redneck, and the irony is that many people who throw around the term redneck are even more ignorant than actual rednecks. So take Olbermann's used condom out of your ass, stop watching MSNBC for 1 second, and try for once in your life to realize how much of an idiot you are.
@prajkum1 "If you don't think Obama is doing the right thing by reforming health care then you are a stupid redneck"
LOL right, anyone who dares to disagree with Obama must be a "stupid redneck." You're a fucking tool. Hey dumbass, making it even worse isn't most peoples' idea of reform.
@prajkum1 LOL You are a complete fucking moron. How do you think insurance companies were able to become the middle-man in all healthcare costs that don't involve catastrophic events unlike every other insurance industry? Hint: it wasn't free market forces. The insurance companies being the price controllers are the result of favorable regulations toward them; you're blaming the symptom instead of the problem. .
@prajkum1 You sound like a dumb fucking hood rat. Most dumb fucks who bitch and moan about "evil insurance companies" and "rednecks" are dumb fucking ghetto hood rat hypocrites. Bitch motherfucker.
it will increase insurance cost, lower quality, give free health care to illegal immigrants, and fine those that don't pick pri or gov health ins policies.
ERA effectively took one livable wage divided between a man and a woman and milions of illegals to increase the labor pool exponentially. Labor shortage what labor shortage.
NAFTA-Ross Perot warned that this was a boondoggle. Now Mexico charges upwards of 45% on many U.S. imports.
The Great Society.
Modern Warfare.
Mail Delivery-USPS had a billion surplus was profitable until Bush1 raided the surplus for GUFF WER 1
Would you like some smoke, or myst, or the fading hint of a fart to go with your health condition? Baracks plan should have been to tell the AMA that he would start the GOV AMA and that if the Dr.'s didn't get on board they would have to apply for new licensure. DRUGPEC- We only need half of your cartel to provide drugs. SO, Who wants a job?
Patient/Dr. everyone else is a spectator.
INSURANCE = NOTHING, leading pilgrims to the holyland for 2000 yrs. I, a dying templar telling secrets.
Please do not blame the insuro-worms... The insuro-worms just need to feed in order to survive. Lie still and allow the beasts to feed. If you fall for this sh*t you will certainly regret it next year when the evil, blood curdling Bill-o-Bear shows up. You will have to pay a terrible price to assuage the food bill collector...Fear the Bill-o-Bear not the Insuro-worms. Just lie still, lie still...they feed... :(
WE WANT HEALTH CARE! INSURANCE IS A BIG, FAT, STUPID LIE.
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Interesting that all democratsact exactly the same. Always with the lingistism and trivial crap. The name of the game with them isn't reality, it's how they can twist you up to make you look like an asshole. Then they can win the arguement. Fuck liberal wimps and Republicans too.
Libertarians are the only party that honestly looks at both sides of the story to see through the bs.
Im glad that you are convincing americans of all this health care bullshit. Maybe you and obama can take all our rights by the end of the first term...awesome...who needs rights when we have obama
If they can't soak us for irresponsible women, they'll try to soak us for "the sake of the children". This woman is a snake and her snake hubby and his coterie know nothing but to prevaricate
Isn't it ironic that anti-government republicants can elect an anti-government government. Then when these incompetent morons are in power all they can do is ask lobbyists what they should do now?
Republicans have no purpose, no plans, ideas, or reason to exist except to cater to lobbyist. Corporations and outside interests pay lobbyist to pay republicans to provide an environment to make money. So the Republicans tell their constituency if the government provides a HC option America will become communist. Your taxes will double, you will die waiting in line for a doctor, and the uninsured may get help to be insured so that everyone will be covered. Its socialist, communist and Marxist.
"At least this time the money is going to the American people not to Iraqis and Military corporates."
That's right, instead it is going to the Banks, Finnish car makers and Brazilian oil companies to get oil delivered not to us but to the Brazilians, oh yes and let us not forget the payouts to SEIU and UAW.
Interesting that that this post is massivly thumbed down but the post I responded to which also mentions race, was not, just another indicator of how racist and partisan those on the left really are.
Is anyone else even a little bothered by the fact that the Founding Fathers were able to set up the entire system of government for this nation based on FIVE pages of text (The Declaration of Independence and the first Four pages of the Constitution), yet the current crop of highly educated people took ONE THOUSAND SEVENTEEEN pages to deal with the issue of paying for your doctor visits?
This boils down to common sense. The country was a different place back then and many of the issues we have to deal with now simply did not exist. We live in a country that is morally bankrupt so unfortunately we have to pay greater attention to detail otherwise some jerk will find a way to screw us over.. which is exactly how we ended up in the position we are in now.
I have a hot news tpip for you, some jerk is screwing us over, his name is Obama and he is in the process of dismantling our great country in order to create his idea of a socialist utopia. which has already been proven a failure in other countries, but he is too stupid and arrogant to grasp that truth.
Health Care Reform is something that has been in the works for over 60 years... so this is hardly something that Obama has done on his own. We the people are the ones who are demanding this change and that is the reason he won the election. Why do you think that the Canadians voted for Tommy Douglas as the greatest Canadian ever? I think you are uninformed when it comes to other countries. We are #37 when it comes to health care (google it) I am pretty sure our system is the proven failure.
Healthcare reform has NOT been in the works for 60's years, it has been tossed around as an idea and dismissed as too expensive for 60 years, only now that Obama's arrogance and dictatorial mentality has come on the scene and his mindless drive to bankrupt the country, using his thugocracy, Chicago gangland politics, has a healthcare takeover been so close.
Actually it has.. The first step was medicare and even then they wanted to do more. Every single president since then has known this needs to be delt with once and for all.
Once again your facts fall short, Medicare was intituted in 1965, that is 44, not 60 years ago as you cliam. Medicare was not a universal healthcare system, it was designed only for people who had reached the age of Social Security eligibility. Many promises have been made about Medicare and the vast majority of them have been broken. Among the broken promises is how it applies to veterans,...Cont'd
...Cont'd who were promised that when they reached military retirement at 20 years they would have FREE health care for life. But when Medicare and CHAMPUS/TRICARE meet, MEDICARE takes over and veterans must pay MEDICARE premiums in order to get their "free" health care. Another lie was that each person would have a Medicare account into which their taxes and the employers matching funds would be placed, this money was then sucked into the General fund,
I once lived in Ireland which had universal health care, they told my dad he could either pay for an MRI now and get it or wait six months, six months is to lounge to wait for a Cancer scare, He did the smart thing and paid but many would not.
we are in so much debt and havent had public health care this whole time. why spend a trillion dollars when we dont have the money. fix the debt first then we can worry spending later. Fix the insurance companies and their greed and we wouldnt be in this situation. make laws for them, not another govt run program that is doomed to fail just like the other programs
The party of incompetent liars has been able to drop his approval a few points through deception and hate for government propaganda, but when he stuffs HC insurance reform up their ass he will be a hero. Then his approval rating will soar.
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How incompetent is this guy in the white house? His actions or inaction are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Afganhistan. Worst cinc ever.
What position as fist lady ? There is no constituional position of first lady. My Black Angus cow is as important as Michelle. There are 938 comments at 11:47 AM central time.
I can see why obamazombies here buy this crap, but nobody else should. For example, on thing proposed is to cut the flex spending plans to 2000 dollars. They are also talking about cutting medicare advantage. One bill says the company will be taxed 400 a year for all uninsured persons. Thats 10600 cheaper than normal insurance so comapnies will cut all private benefits based on that alone. Another will place 8% tax on the comapny per uninsured person cont..
And we will all be placed into a medicare type plan, which sucks if you don't have medicare advantage. Which will be cut.
Of course congress will not be on this plan.
A short history lession, this is exactly how medicare became the only option for people over 65.
BTW the payments that the doctors recieve will be drasticaly cut but thier costs will not. This of course will reduce the number of doctors while increasing the number of patients. By 37 million.
One would think that after putting in place the most incompetent corrupt government in history for the last eight years the neocons would have the humility to shut the fuck up, but no we have to read this ignorant bullshit from these morons. The republicans have these idiots programmed to believe the government is the enemy and we have to shut it down at all cost. Its pathetic
Get used to it bitch, because after the last years of solid hate from the left, I can't wait to point out how bad every single thing obama and his anti-american hate filled drones are.
She refers to "Barack's Plan" but he won't tell us what that plan is. Michelle, we don't all have the opportunity to sit down with the President every night for dinner. Do you think he could share his "plan" with the rest of us? Or is he afraid that doing so would cost him votes in 2012?
And why is he trying to hide the fact that he favors a Canadian-style government health care system? Is it because people would look into it and realize that Canadians are not happy with the system at all?
ApocalypsePlough is right to some degree. Only 10-15% of muslims support terrorism and attacks on western nations. Thats only 100 - 150 million people. Small. Almost nothing.....
So explain this Michelle the America hater. If your husbands socialized medicine is so great then why are those in Congress etc. exempt from being under the same thing as we cirtizens are going to be. Our Founding Fathers did NOT want kings and queens in power. NO one should be above any law or stupid bill.
Umm the scottish-Canadian......YOu dont really undertstand the Islamic faith do you.....Basicly.....You convert or you die....thats why people are getting blown up every where. DO you see crazy Christians killing people...NO...THEY might be crazy christains...but there not killing people..THE real faith of a muslim requires that there is no option.......You profess ali....or you die.....YOU need to learn about somthiing before you open you mouth
Ummmm........from the Scottish-Canadian to the ignorant American, Marmolejld14 - 23% of the world's population are Muslims. That's 1.57 billion people. Don't fucking tell me all of these people are evil terrorists. A small percentage is. Small. Percentage. Small. The lunatic fringe. You must have experience with lunatic fringes, being a lunatic yourself.
Do I see Christians killing people? Yeah, I do. I saw a Christian country - America - invade a country, Iraq, that did nothing to them, and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including old women and old men and children. So much for Christians not killing people. You hypocrite.
Yes, Dimwit the U.S. did invade Iraq, a country run by a murdering despot. But just how many of the soldiers if the U.S. military did so while screaming "Praise Jesus!" Answer NONE. Why? Because the country of Saudi Arabia where the troops stated from, were prohibited from bringing Bibles into the country and were also prohibited from displaying any religous symbolism. Besides, didn't you hear Obama "We are not a Christian nation"? You idiot.
? why HEALTH care matters?.....lol!.....you gotta have GOOD insurance if you get Mitchie Obamas best peep UPSET! Cause Bernadine Dohrn =THE Unabomber. That cop killer sometimes decides to COMMENT by ~ blowing up kind peace keeping COPS! = KABOOM!!!.......and if you are not killed by Dorhn's cruel bomb........your insurance will come up HANDY .......when you are being patched together! Kinda creepy thinking people actually VOTED IN these cruel crackpots into THE White House = lookin for FREEBIES?
"The greed of these Drs.,insurance cos. and hospitals must be stopped. "
Towing the company line, I see. The "greedy" insurance companies. Drs. chopping off people's feet and yanking out tonsils. Hospitals turning people away.
How about you shut it, you affirmative action whore?
Evil suckwads like you have made everything in the "health care industry" much more expensive.
NOW you say adding more massive government interference into the industry is going to fix a damn thing?
It IS a moral issue. Idiot liberals want to put a gun to the heads of the entire country and tell them how to live while destroying what little good is left in this industry. Piss on that.
So Europe like Denmark, Holland, Switzerland are lies? The goverment is regulating and has to regulate to defent YOU!!! Those who has money will survive and those that hasn't has to die??? Is this what you want? I think so...you don't care do you?
How about you name ONE problem government has made better?
The idiots pushing this "reform" cannot tell the truth: the costs are going to skyrocket past the projections.
They always HAVE, they always WILL. This bunch of liberal idiots are not smarter than those that came before. They know they're lying and they're very glad morons like you are buying into their lies.
SHMUJEW - You made a pretty good video about 911 & the jumpers. But, 911 is not "What Islam Brings". It's what the Islamic lunatic fringe brings. Saying the Islamic terrorists are representative of all people of the Islamic faith, is like saying the right-wing, fundamentalist lunatic fringe represents all Americans. Neither is true.
You're Jewish? You should know not to make sweeping generalizations & stereotype people. It's sad that you do.
smart assabluntpencil can't have read the bills as he claims. They simply don't say what he says they say. But I bet I can find out who told him to think that.
There needs to be reform, true, but the democrats approach will only make things worse by flooding the emergency rooms and doctors with 37 million more people and forcing even people who don't want insurance onto insurance.
Not a bad idea. Start all over. I'm all for that. As long as all Americans can be treated when sick and not forced into bankruptcy because of it. Thats what is important. The greed of these Drs.,insurance cos. and hospitals must be stopped.
Like I already stated. I'm not sure this reform is the right one. But the current system is a pathetic joke. Something has to change. The current practices of hospitals and insurance companies is horrible. I don't have the answers, but the current system is awful
Do you have a source? its funny how you cons know "the cheapest plan" of the public option when the final version of the bill DOESNT EVEN EXIST YET. keep parroting your right wing talking points and we'll keep dominating you in November.
I actually read the bills as well... Hr3200 is my favorite one... and the Baucus bill is my least favorite one. I also like Hr676 but I don't think it will make it... I would like to see them reduce the fine and do away with the threat of jail and include the public option. I love the exchange idea which is consistant in all bills. I can't wait to see the final bill. I do believe that it will be pretty good.
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Unless Barry Obey-me is lying out his ass the Baucus bill is DOA. I called Baucus' office and asked about the effect his bill would have on veterans, the answer was a definate "NONE", yet "Obey-me" has put forth a plan to intsitute new and increase existing co-pays for TRICARE and VA care. The two statements do not jibe.
You really need to try and keep up sweetie.. as everyone knows the Baucus bill was not the final bill.. They are working on the final bill as we speak. It will contain parts of the Baucus bill as well as the other bills. Obama is doing something on the side for the veterans that has nothing to do with the health care reform bill. You are talking about two different things which is why they don't jibe.
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You really do need to keep up. That fact you miss is that all of these people keep telling us what is in the bill...but they conveniently neglect that fact that THERE IS NO BILL...so the truth is, they have all been lying. Obama is doing something for veterans alright, he is waffling between either increasing TRICARE co pays x8 or making us pay for our own health care altogether. That is help I can do without.
There are 5 bills... and they are being combined into one. As they make decisions on what is included in the final bill they are informing us step by step.. for example we now know that the public option will be in the final bill and it includes the opt out clause. I have a video in my favorites that is about the bill Obama signed just days ago regarding veterans. You really don't seem to know what you are talking about which is why you are getting thumbed down.
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I have read three of the bills, ALL of them have restrictions on veterans, Obama's additional burdens on vets came from his own lips. As for the negative votes, beyond the laugh I get at the liberals who show their stupidity, by posting them, the mean nothing. You cannot seem to stay on track since any bill Obama signed "days ago" will mean nothing if they are struck down by the nationalization of halthcare that Obama is sterring toward.
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I figured that you would like 3200, I read it too and it is the most revealing of Obama's BS on the subject, since during his speech where Joe Wilson spoke up, he continually lied through the speech about what was in the Bill. The bill that was at that time not in existence.
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What I find extremely interesting is Barry Obay-me standing up saying that Joe Wilsons "You Lie" comment was "not true", and then Barry telling us "what is in the bill" when the bill as you so astutely cite, "DOESNT EVEN EXIST YET". It seems that the right wingers aren't the only ones parroting talking points.
The president has been telling you what the bill must consist of if he is going to sign it.. In other words he has laid his expectations on the table. He is not telling you what is in the bill because as you have stated it is not finished yet. They are going through it part by part. We do know that it includes a public option because they have decided that part already.. there are several more parts in consideration.
Your argument is painfully pathetic. Are you suggesting that a random youtuber has the same amount of knowledge as the President about the final version of the bill? Your ignorance is why your party was mercilessly dropkicked out of power. Hope you're enjoying your 20% approval rating CON.
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I am suggesting nothing of the sort. I am saying that the bills published on the government websites do not match the publis statements that Obama has made repeatedly. So based on this mismatch of information either Obama is a liar, or the DNC dominated Congress and the Dem Congress that wrote the bills are liars, in either case it makes the health care reform nothing more than a bait and switch operation.
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As for my "party" being kicked from power, it wasn't. I am an independent. As for approval, since Obama has suffered the most drastic drop in popularity in the history of record keeping on Presidnetial approval and now holds a (-10) approval rating, and the DNC led Congress currently being rated at 15% positive and 53% negative, it seems that the Dems aren't exactly the most popular bunch on the planet right now.
If employment does not pick up soon, Obama will be the next one drop kicked.
Do not lie to me CON. Your YouTube subscriptions and your pathetic attempts at imitating your oxycontin-snorting hero expose you for the CON you are. Your lies make me laugh. How does it feel to know that the Super Majority will slowly steamroll your miserable agenda while you're out teabagging?
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Like a true liberal you jump to a conclusion and assume that all others are false, never letting youself be confused by the facts. As for you alleged judgement of my views, I see that like a left wing nut job, you see fit to decide then dictate your views as the only possible path. Only time will tell on your so called steamroller, but based on Obama and the socialists in congress losing support with their poll numbers lower than the anchor on the Titanic, I'm optimistic for Conservatism.
Don't try to use words that you don't understand CON. Your statements have errors in grammar that are beginning to rival the errors in your failed philosophy. As for your reference to the polls, it makes me laugh. I can cite tens of polls, I'm sure you are aware, that will show the Democratic approval trouncing the RepubliCANTS. Go teabag someone CON. I know you want to.
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Ah yes, holding true to the liberal mantra, you cannot hold up under scrutiny so you merely resort yo ad hominem attacks. Good to see you are a complete liberal in all repsects.
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You couldn't hurt me if you tried. I actually had to laugh at the assertion and at your lame attempts to insult. I would consider continuing this at length, but when engaging in a duel of wits I prefer not to assault an unarmed opponent.
No need to consider continuing this at length? This is why debating a CON is so useless. You retreat at the slightest sign of opposition. But no matter, it is unlikely that I can break through your shield of ignorance.
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I agree, based on your display of ignorance and prejudice, you have little chance of citing any logical arguments that could bring anything of value to the discussion. I am somewhat concerned about your viewing anything I have said being a retreat, since in reality, you have offered no real opposition, and I have had no need to retreat.
Somewhat concerned? I'll tell you something you should be VERY concerned about CON. Why does your party have a 15% approval rating in congress? Why do only 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans? Why after 8 years of a Republican executive branch and 6 years of a Republican congress have the American people bulldozed you out of power? The American people and the Super Majority have spoken CON. Why don't you show more concern with that than one comment on YouTube? Silly CON.
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Since you have absolutly no real effect on my life, I keep my concern about you at "somewhat", and based on the numbers you just cited I see that your hold on reality is like many liberals, totally non existent.
Oh CON. Everything you say is filled with ignorance. And I will SOURCE you now. In a Research 2000 Poll, dated Sep 21, 2009 - Sep 24, 2009 the Republican Minority Leader had an approval rating at 18%. Your hero John Boehner had an approval rating of 12%. Overall, congressional republicans had an approval rating at 17% compared to 38% for Democrats. Look up the poll, as YouTube doesn't allow me to post links.
20% of Americans as Republicans. SOURCE: "GOP brand sinks to 20 percent" on Politico dated October 20, 2009 based on a WashPost/ABC news poll. Google it. Sucks when you get owned doesn't it?
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lol, I feel sorry for you.
Quick go watch some Olbermann so you can feel smart and vastly superior to everyone else with your wizardry in linguistics! Don't forget to catch the next Obama speech for more Neurolinguistic programming, too!
"Lingistism" and "arguement" are not words. Neuro-linguistic programming should be hyphenated or separated by a space, and it does not need to be capitalized in that sentence. I have no interest in talking to you, fifth grader.
I know its you Richarde8st because I have seen this before. You start getting your butt kicked and hey presto, smartassadullstick shows up. Its even on the smartassalimpnoodles home page.
I only have one account but I have been accused of being several different people... which I find hilarious. I guess every time you folks meet someone who is smart enough to comprehend things that are not on the back of a box of fruitloops you lunp us all together. I seriously don't know why he left and I wish would come back because then you would realize how foolish and paranoid you are, Unfortunately I think he must be offline.. But I'm sure you don't believe that.
How am I a proven liar? LOL Oh yeah that's right because you think I am Richard and I said no I'm not you think I am a proven liar... the funny part is I'm not lying so that in fact makes you the liar... You still have not stated the so called proof. LOL
Actually they will not have direct access to your bank accounts that is a scare tactic. What you are refering to is the possibility that they will have a computerized card that contains all of your medical records making it much easier for you to get quick and effective treatment when needed. If the government wanted to tap into your bank account or anything else they could already do so after all they have your information already.
No I'm not I just got a message from him though... LOL
I actually hope he does come back in here when I leave as it will only further your paranoia which will make this so much funnier than it already is. LOL
So I guess you can't answer the question so intead you just hurl insults... and you kind of even suck at that as you don't realize the true meaning of my name... Smart has more than one definition by the way... LOL I will grant you that I am intelligent as well so thanks for the compliment.
You are soooo smart, go back a read your comments.
No compliments here, just reconizing that you are a smart ass (whip?) not smart ass a whip. You can't even understand that none said you were smart, intelligent, or the other.
"Smart has more than one definition" .....and interpertation too....hmmmmm.
You accused me of double speak... I asked you to explain... LOL The fact is I am smarter than you are and there isn't anything I can do about that.. so if you don't like it to bad. And yeah generally when something has more than one definition it has more than one interpretation. That is a no brainer. LOL You said I was the smart kid everyone hated in school blah blah blah,, so yeah you did.. or was that supposed to be an insult? Couldn't be as you just said you don't hurl insults... LOL
I said you were the kid in school that everyone hated because they could cross the monkey bars better, not bobjon38.
You respond to me with whatever you are wanting to grip about with someone else...yeah, you are so superior....
And I pointed out that while you are saying that someone is hurling insults, your comments can be read and people will see that you are the one hurling insults. And no, I did not insult you. I pointed out how silly you sound saying you are smarter than everyone.
Do healthy, young americans realize if Obamacare gets passed that they will be required by law to purchase insurance coverage that they probably don't want or need, and if they don't they'll receive a whopping fine?
I have 3 boys and they all realize that which is exactly why they are glad to have an affordable option in the mix. The republicans are for reform but they don't want an affordable option included.. The same with some of the dems like Baucus. All 3 of them will be voting for the first time next election.. They know who has their back and who doesn't.
The latest brainstorm is to force everyone onto medicare. The same system that is now bankrupt and is so bad that you have to buy suplimental insurance to make it worth a damn.
I've known plenty of morons that made it in the Army. I don't know why you think its such a major accomplishment. I guess that's all you have to brag about.
We could have won this war in less than 6 mo. if we had a competent president to begin with. Whether you believe it or not bush allowed the Taliban to gain strength and now we have to deal with it. By the way I worked with the Harpoon missile system if you have any questions.
Guess what? The taliban and al qeada were almost totaly pushed into pakistan untill a weak man entered the whitehouse. Now they are pushing because they know obama will wimp out.
Pushing the Taliban anywhere is not going to win the war...killing the Taliban to the point where they know they cannot win is the only thing that will win. Peace and Victory do not follow restraint, Peace follows Victory and Victory follows decisive action. The last President whas a lot like Mongomery in WW2, and the current one is like Chaimberlain, what is needed is a Patton.
Can't argue. That was the problem. Bush push them into pakistan and didn't destroy them. Obama seems to want to send them flowers. I read his grand plan for Afghanistan. secure the cities and cede the countryside to the Taliban. Doesn't he have anyone there who has read ANY military history at all? Thats what the british did in the 1840's. Exactly ONE of that force got out alive. Fixed fortifications always fall.
I was an aviation weapons systems tech in the Navy and you are an idiot. Your military experience doesnt mean jack shit. You dont know what youre talking about. "Oh I was in the Army so I know everything that going on in Afghanistan through mental telepathy and Fox News"
Sure you were. rolls eyes. Liberals all instantly become vets when military affairs are discussed.
If you would actualy READ my post you would know people WHO ARE THERE, RIGHT NOW. You know, first hand stories not third hand crap you get from white house press releases from thier spokes people on msnbc. I actualy got the story about the over-run base from CNN, msnbc and yes even fox news and they all had the same basic facts. Obama is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Afganhistan.
How is what Michelle talking about a fear tactic when almost all parents have an experience like this at some point... Either you are stupid or your have no children. Personally I hope you have no children because you are to soft headed to reproduce.
So then you think she is lying? LOL You have no proof of that... but you just think so anyway... Could that be because you have been brainwashed into not even listening to what she is saying? I actually had this same experience when my oldest was a baby. It turned out to be a cold Thank Goodness but they did scare the hell out of me when they said they wanted to test him for menengitous. What makes you think she is making this up?
We have all had our scares with kids, my wife had twins, 2 month premature, we had a midnight run to the hospital when one suffered a heart cessation and the monitor alrm went off. My kids have suffered drug reactions due to allergies, asthma, broken bones and medical incompetence. Am I lying? You don't know that either. But then my spouse isn't in politics and looking to take over 1/6th of the greatest economy in the world, so our motives are a bit different.
"How is what Michelle talking about a fear tactic "
If you look at the motive behind her words and her choice of approach, it is fear mongering. She is using your fear of your child dying, going deaf...ect. to push their agenda.
If it were Laura Bush or any other repub, that is what it would be called.
We need to change our Health care system, no doubt. But their plan is dangerous and for me and millions of others, out of the question.
I really wish they would leave folks like you out of the equasion but unfortunately that is not the way it works. These fears are not unrealistic in any way for a parent and people who have kids with no insurance live with these fears everyday. Of course she is trying to make dense folks like yourself see that.. but she fails to realize that you lack compassion and therefore it is pointless. How is the plan dangerous for you? This should be interesting since the final bill has not been written.
See there is the smug attitude of which obamabots are famous.
It will increase taxes and reduce service. It has a high risk of bankrupting the country. It places my healthcare firmly in the hands of the us government.
LOL Did Glenn Beck overuse the word smug recently or something because I have noticed a lot of republican scum tossing it around today.
What services is your private insurance company planing to drop when this passes? How will your healthcare be in the hands of the government unless you sign up for the public option yourself? What about all the folks on Medicare are they at risk? If they are then why are they so hell bent on keeping that program?
LOL Now that is funny... Because you are wrong. I do know him but we are not one in the same... Of course I don't expect you to believe that because with folks like you everything is a conspiracy.
LOL. They are all paranoid! It is impossible for 2 people to share the same view and no be a Republican.. Have to admit, these folks are as funny as they are desperate. I mean, come on! Americans don't deserve healthcare. The idea of all being able to get sick and pay their bills at the same time is absurd! Let them go bankrupt, lose everything just to pay their Dr. bills. Yes, that is so much better.
@groundhog2008 Not even close.
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@prajkum1 The point in my original post was to mock you for saying anyone who disagreed with you is a redneck, and the irony is that many people who throw around the term redneck are even more ignorant than actual rednecks. So take Olbermann's used condom out of your ass, stop watching MSNBC for 1 second, and try for once in your life to realize how much of an idiot you are.
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@prajkum1 "If you don't think Obama is doing the right thing by reforming health care then you are a stupid redneck"
LOL right, anyone who dares to disagree with Obama must be a "stupid redneck." You're a fucking tool. Hey dumbass, making it even worse isn't most peoples' idea of reform.
itachi705 1 year ago
@prajkum1 LOL You are a complete fucking moron. How do you think insurance companies were able to become the middle-man in all healthcare costs that don't involve catastrophic events unlike every other insurance industry? Hint: it wasn't free market forces. The insurance companies being the price controllers are the result of favorable regulations toward them; you're blaming the symptom instead of the problem. .
itachi705 1 year ago
@prajkum1 You sound like a dumb fucking hood rat. Most dumb fucks who bitch and moan about "evil insurance companies" and "rednecks" are dumb fucking ghetto hood rat hypocrites. Bitch motherfucker.
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hjluiodrtcvbdfhsr 1 year ago
Here are some facts:
-I am REPUBLICAN born and RAISED and proud of IT!!
-We are ranked 52 on "Wolds-Worst health care"
-If you have Cancer and Have Great insurance will Be Broke at the end of your Treatment Period
-The Stupid country of Guatemala, a 3rd world country has Better Birth rates than we do the USA. WTF! (this means More baby's die in USA)
-We would get BETTER QUALITY HEALTH CARE for LESS money! ( that's the part I like)
superman96021 1 year ago
@superman96021 lol,
Guatemala has better birth rates because abortion is Illegal there.
and also because the government there doesn't spend all it's budget on an army.
luciferiexcelsil 1 year ago
this is not a reform bill!
it will increase insurance cost, lower quality, give free health care to illegal immigrants, and fine those that don't pick pri or gov health ins policies.
She is a misleading people!
Harry1s 2 years ago
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SorenCalh563 2 years ago
REPEAL the TAX & JAIL mandate bill nobody ever wanted..
& Send it back for a do-over with "real" senators next time with an OPT OUT provision..Happy New Year..!
hadenufnow 2 years ago
OBAMA's wife is trying to convince you to let OBAMA and his administration KILL all unhealthy poor and middle class people,not take care of them.
4LOSTSOULSONLY 2 years ago
GET MAD NOW!!---------
Kill the Bill..
Struggling mom, dad & two kids will SHELL OUT $16,000/YEAR to obamacare "donation" for HC...
.......or equiv- Brandy New Loaded Toyota Yaris EVERY YEAR to pay for those fat smelly donut eatin people that want you to pay for their HC..
..........There is expected to be a MASS exodus from USA during REPEAL process starting already..expected to take up to 5 years worst case scenario..
.........Good luck..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
Most of the"problems" in this country have been made better by government input.
Insurance -Pre Nixon deregulation
Pharmaceutical industry. Patent medicines?
Cures/research
Richard Nixon is responsible for the current sham of a system that our forefathers would have taken down with pitchforks and torches.
Repeat after me 100 times each day.
"Insurance is fraud, Insurance is fake."
Healthcare is between a dr and a patient. Insurance corps. violate the body orifices of all humanity.
rentnation 2 years ago
Problems that the government made better:
ERA effectively took one livable wage divided between a man and a woman and milions of illegals to increase the labor pool exponentially. Labor shortage what labor shortage.
NAFTA-Ross Perot warned that this was a boondoggle. Now Mexico charges upwards of 45% on many U.S. imports.
The Great Society.
Modern Warfare.
Mail Delivery-USPS had a billion surplus was profitable until Bush1 raided the surplus for GUFF WER 1
Meat Packing Industry.
rentnation 2 years ago
Would you like some smoke, or myst, or the fading hint of a fart to go with your health condition? Baracks plan should have been to tell the AMA that he would start the GOV AMA and that if the Dr.'s didn't get on board they would have to apply for new licensure. DRUGPEC- We only need half of your cartel to provide drugs. SO, Who wants a job?
Patient/Dr. everyone else is a spectator.
INSURANCE = NOTHING, leading pilgrims to the holyland for 2000 yrs. I, a dying templar telling secrets.
rentnation 2 years ago
People, People...
Please do not blame the insuro-worms... The insuro-worms just need to feed in order to survive. Lie still and allow the beasts to feed. If you fall for this sh*t you will certainly regret it next year when the evil, blood curdling Bill-o-Bear shows up. You will have to pay a terrible price to assuage the food bill collector...Fear the Bill-o-Bear not the Insuro-worms. Just lie still, lie still...they feed... :(
WE WANT HEALTH CARE! INSURANCE IS A BIG, FAT, STUPID LIE.
rentnation 2 years ago
i love how everyone gets so angry here and gets off topic.
ChibiChibiFilms 2 years ago 2
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Interesting that all democratsact exactly the same. Always with the lingistism and trivial crap. The name of the game with them isn't reality, it's how they can twist you up to make you look like an asshole. Then they can win the arguement. Fuck liberal wimps and Republicans too.
Libertarians are the only party that honestly looks at both sides of the story to see through the bs.
drewd1987 2 years ago
I'll sue the Fed. Govt. if I am mandated to buy Obamacare
christian1600 2 years ago
LOL so you sue yourself!!!! hahahahahahah you are funny.
ramonahinder12 2 years ago
Im glad that you are convincing americans of all this health care bullshit. Maybe you and obama can take all our rights by the end of the first term...awesome...who needs rights when we have obama
kakmolnia 2 years ago
If they can't soak us for irresponsible women, they'll try to soak us for "the sake of the children". This woman is a snake and her snake hubby and his coterie know nothing but to prevaricate
shimauma42 2 years ago
Isn't it ironic that anti-government republicants can elect an anti-government government. Then when these incompetent morons are in power all they can do is ask lobbyists what they should do now?
RichardE8ST 2 years ago 2
Republicans have no purpose, no plans, ideas, or reason to exist except to cater to lobbyist. Corporations and outside interests pay lobbyist to pay republicans to provide an environment to make money. So the Republicans tell their constituency if the government provides a HC option America will become communist. Your taxes will double, you will die waiting in line for a doctor, and the uninsured may get help to be insured so that everyone will be covered. Its socialist, communist and Marxist.
Phalinex 2 years ago
"At least this time the money is going to the American people not to Iraqis and Military corporates."
That's right, instead it is going to the Banks, Finnish car makers and Brazilian oil companies to get oil delivered not to us but to the Brazilians, oh yes and let us not forget the payouts to SEIU and UAW.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Lots of negative votes, I guess for some here the truth is unpleasant.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
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I am a WHITE PERSON, I have a PRE-EXISTING CONDITION. I also have health insurance, so what's your problem?
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Interesting that that this post is massivly thumbed down but the post I responded to which also mentions race, was not, just another indicator of how racist and partisan those on the left really are.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Is anyone else even a little bothered by the fact that the Founding Fathers were able to set up the entire system of government for this nation based on FIVE pages of text (The Declaration of Independence and the first Four pages of the Constitution), yet the current crop of highly educated people took ONE THOUSAND SEVENTEEEN pages to deal with the issue of paying for your doctor visits?
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
This boils down to common sense. The country was a different place back then and many of the issues we have to deal with now simply did not exist. We live in a country that is morally bankrupt so unfortunately we have to pay greater attention to detail otherwise some jerk will find a way to screw us over.. which is exactly how we ended up in the position we are in now.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
I have a hot news tpip for you, some jerk is screwing us over, his name is Obama and he is in the process of dismantling our great country in order to create his idea of a socialist utopia. which has already been proven a failure in other countries, but he is too stupid and arrogant to grasp that truth.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Health Care Reform is something that has been in the works for over 60 years... so this is hardly something that Obama has done on his own. We the people are the ones who are demanding this change and that is the reason he won the election. Why do you think that the Canadians voted for Tommy Douglas as the greatest Canadian ever? I think you are uninformed when it comes to other countries. We are #37 when it comes to health care (google it) I am pretty sure our system is the proven failure.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Healthcare reform has NOT been in the works for 60's years, it has been tossed around as an idea and dismissed as too expensive for 60 years, only now that Obama's arrogance and dictatorial mentality has come on the scene and his mindless drive to bankrupt the country, using his thugocracy, Chicago gangland politics, has a healthcare takeover been so close.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Actually it has.. The first step was medicare and even then they wanted to do more. Every single president since then has known this needs to be delt with once and for all.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Once again your facts fall short, Medicare was intituted in 1965, that is 44, not 60 years ago as you cliam. Medicare was not a universal healthcare system, it was designed only for people who had reached the age of Social Security eligibility. Many promises have been made about Medicare and the vast majority of them have been broken. Among the broken promises is how it applies to veterans,...Cont'd
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
...Cont'd who were promised that when they reached military retirement at 20 years they would have FREE health care for life. But when Medicare and CHAMPUS/TRICARE meet, MEDICARE takes over and veterans must pay MEDICARE premiums in order to get their "free" health care. Another lie was that each person would have a Medicare account into which their taxes and the employers matching funds would be placed, this money was then sucked into the General fund,
Cont'd
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
which is why Medicare and Social Seurity are now effectively broke.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
I once lived in Ireland which had universal health care, they told my dad he could either pay for an MRI now and get it or wait six months, six months is to lounge to wait for a Cancer scare, He did the smart thing and paid but many would not.
devdoger62 2 years ago 2
which control freak?
cloakedaxiom 2 years ago
lol tell this control freak rat to shut it.
matello18 2 years ago
we are in so much debt and havent had public health care this whole time. why spend a trillion dollars when we dont have the money. fix the debt first then we can worry spending later. Fix the insurance companies and their greed and we wouldnt be in this situation. make laws for them, not another govt run program that is doomed to fail just like the other programs
cloakedaxiom 2 years ago
More law fixes nothing.., more law = more controll, more controll = more corruption.
skbakanov 2 years ago
boobjon38
President Obama is now at 51% approval
Criminal bush left office at 21% approval
So what is your point?
The party of incompetent liars has been able to drop his approval a few points through deception and hate for government propaganda, but when he stuffs HC insurance reform up their ass he will be a hero. Then his approval rating will soar.
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
Run for your life its Marxists, no its socialist, no I mean its communist oh fuck it I dont know what Im talking about.
Phalinex 2 years ago 2
Why do all his top advisors seem to be followers of hard core marxism or commuinism?
bobjon38 2 years ago
And how about his approval ratings???
Worst drop in history for this far into his error.
bobjon38 2 years ago
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How incompetent is this guy in the white house? His actions or inaction are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Afganhistan. Worst cinc ever.
bobjon38 2 years ago
What position as fist lady ? There is no constituional position of first lady. My Black Angus cow is as important as Michelle. There are 938 comments at 11:47 AM central time.
leland0t0013 2 years ago
What is the constitutional basis for a czar who can cut private citizens pay at will???
I mean besides the communist manifesto.
bobjon38 2 years ago
leland0t0013
Why is your Black Angus cow so important to you? Are you in love? Has your relationship become sexual?
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
And this isn't really even socialist medicine. Its much worst than that. Socialist medicine would be BETTER than this.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I can see why obamazombies here buy this crap, but nobody else should. For example, on thing proposed is to cut the flex spending plans to 2000 dollars. They are also talking about cutting medicare advantage. One bill says the company will be taxed 400 a year for all uninsured persons. Thats 10600 cheaper than normal insurance so comapnies will cut all private benefits based on that alone. Another will place 8% tax on the comapny per uninsured person cont..
bobjon38 2 years ago
cont..
That means unleass you make 120,000 a year or more, it will be cheaper to cut your private plans and force you onto the public plan.
And all plans nationaly will have to meet government plan restrictions. This will bankrupt most insurance companies driving unemployment much higher.
Indivials will also be taxed if they chose not to be insured at all. Or if they choose the wrong insurance.
This bill will DECREASE competion in the short term and eliminate it in the long term.
bobjon38 2 years ago
And we will all be placed into a medicare type plan, which sucks if you don't have medicare advantage. Which will be cut.
Of course congress will not be on this plan.
A short history lession, this is exactly how medicare became the only option for people over 65.
BTW the payments that the doctors recieve will be drasticaly cut but thier costs will not. This of course will reduce the number of doctors while increasing the number of patients. By 37 million.
bobjon38 2 years ago
One would think that after putting in place the most incompetent corrupt government in history for the last eight years the neocons would have the humility to shut the fuck up, but no we have to read this ignorant bullshit from these morons. The republicans have these idiots programmed to believe the government is the enemy and we have to shut it down at all cost. Its pathetic
Phalinex 2 years ago
Get used to it bitch, because after the last years of solid hate from the left, I can't wait to point out how bad every single thing obama and his anti-american hate filled drones are.
Fuck you, I will not shut up statist prick
bobjon38 2 years ago
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RichardE8ST 2 years ago
How did your child get meningitis to begin with??
sunkist1976 2 years ago
To hell with you and your husband, Michelle.
(And why didn't you get your children vaccinated yet??)
sunkist1976 2 years ago
Well it is an emergency so the first thing obama did was to get his kids the shots... oh wait... he went golfing... again.
bobjon38 2 years ago
She refers to "Barack's Plan" but he won't tell us what that plan is. Michelle, we don't all have the opportunity to sit down with the President every night for dinner. Do you think he could share his "plan" with the rest of us? Or is he afraid that doing so would cost him votes in 2012?
And why is he trying to hide the fact that he favors a Canadian-style government health care system? Is it because people would look into it and realize that Canadians are not happy with the system at all?
ChangeBarack2012 2 years ago
ApocalypsePlough is right to some degree. Only 10-15% of muslims support terrorism and attacks on western nations. Thats only 100 - 150 million people. Small. Almost nothing.....
rolls eyes.
bobjon38 2 years ago
what an empty-headed moron - why does't she shut up and go mother her kids - man, I miss Laura Bush - that was a First Lady with class
ohiobuzzie 2 years ago
So explain this Michelle the America hater. If your husbands socialized medicine is so great then why are those in Congress etc. exempt from being under the same thing as we cirtizens are going to be. Our Founding Fathers did NOT want kings and queens in power. NO one should be above any law or stupid bill.
TheodoresWorld 2 years ago
Umm the scottish-Canadian......YOu dont really undertstand the Islamic faith do you.....Basicly.....You convert or you die....thats why people are getting blown up every where. DO you see crazy Christians killing people...NO...THEY might be crazy christains...but there not killing people..THE real faith of a muslim requires that there is no option.......You profess ali....or you die.....YOU need to learn about somthiing before you open you mouth
Marmolejld14 2 years ago
Ummmm........from the Scottish-Canadian to the ignorant American, Marmolejld14 - 23% of the world's population are Muslims. That's 1.57 billion people. Don't fucking tell me all of these people are evil terrorists. A small percentage is. Small. Percentage. Small. The lunatic fringe. You must have experience with lunatic fringes, being a lunatic yourself.
ApocalypsePlough 2 years ago
Do I see Christians killing people? Yeah, I do. I saw a Christian country - America - invade a country, Iraq, that did nothing to them, and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including old women and old men and children. So much for Christians not killing people. You hypocrite.
ApocalypsePlough 2 years ago
ApocalypsePlough go back to University of Winnipeg and demand you money back. They made you dumber.
Bad enough to the point you can't even tell that this video is about healthcare, not the war in Iraq.
And demand interest, cause you are lucky you can tie your own shoe laces.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Yes, Dimwit the U.S. did invade Iraq, a country run by a murdering despot. But just how many of the soldiers if the U.S. military did so while screaming "Praise Jesus!" Answer NONE. Why? Because the country of Saudi Arabia where the troops stated from, were prohibited from bringing Bibles into the country and were also prohibited from displaying any religous symbolism. Besides, didn't you hear Obama "We are not a Christian nation"? You idiot.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
? why HEALTH care matters?.....lol!.....you gotta have GOOD insurance if you get Mitchie Obamas best peep UPSET! Cause Bernadine Dohrn =THE Unabomber. That cop killer sometimes decides to COMMENT by ~ blowing up kind peace keeping COPS! = KABOOM!!!.......and if you are not killed by Dorhn's cruel bomb........your insurance will come up HANDY .......when you are being patched together! Kinda creepy thinking people actually VOTED IN these cruel crackpots into THE White House = lookin for FREEBIES?
memama2 2 years ago
"The greed of these Drs.,insurance cos. and hospitals must be stopped. "
Towing the company line, I see. The "greedy" insurance companies. Drs. chopping off people's feet and yanking out tonsils. Hospitals turning people away.
All rubbish.
miazagora 2 years ago 2
How about you shut it, you affirmative action whore?
Evil suckwads like you have made everything in the "health care industry" much more expensive.
NOW you say adding more massive government interference into the industry is going to fix a damn thing?
It IS a moral issue. Idiot liberals want to put a gun to the heads of the entire country and tell them how to live while destroying what little good is left in this industry. Piss on that.
You are a filthy liar, Obama.
mmaier2112 2 years ago
thank you - mmaier2112! ...best post on YouTube TODAY!
memama2 2 years ago
So Europe like Denmark, Holland, Switzerland are lies? The goverment is regulating and has to regulate to defent YOU!!! Those who has money will survive and those that hasn't has to die??? Is this what you want? I think so...you don't care do you?
ramonahinder12 2 years ago
You're a statist tool.
How about you name ONE problem government has made better?
The idiots pushing this "reform" cannot tell the truth: the costs are going to skyrocket past the projections.
They always HAVE, they always WILL. This bunch of liberal idiots are not smarter than those that came before. They know they're lying and they're very glad morons like you are buying into their lies.
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SHMUJEW 2 years ago
SHMUJEW - You made a pretty good video about 911 & the jumpers. But, 911 is not "What Islam Brings". It's what the Islamic lunatic fringe brings. Saying the Islamic terrorists are representative of all people of the Islamic faith, is like saying the right-wing, fundamentalist lunatic fringe represents all Americans. Neither is true.
You're Jewish? You should know not to make sweeping generalizations & stereotype people. It's sad that you do.
I'm Scottish-Canadian, btw, so I have no agenda.
ApocalypsePlough 2 years ago
And you're a Canadian. From Manitoba, as am I.
You have too much time on your hands, methinks.
I think you could use some fresh air. Get out and enjoy the weather before it snows.
ApocalypsePlough 2 years ago
smart assabluntpencil can't have read the bills as he claims. They simply don't say what he says they say. But I bet I can find out who told him to think that.
bobjon38 2 years ago
My view.
There needs to be reform, true, but the democrats approach will only make things worse by flooding the emergency rooms and doctors with 37 million more people and forcing even people who don't want insurance onto insurance.
Scrap it and start again.
First thing, tort reform.
A major cost saving could be made right there.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Not a bad idea. Start all over. I'm all for that. As long as all Americans can be treated when sick and not forced into bankruptcy because of it. Thats what is important. The greed of these Drs.,insurance cos. and hospitals must be stopped.
wopwoman 2 years ago 2
Like I already stated. I'm not sure this reform is the right one. But the current system is a pathetic joke. Something has to change. The current practices of hospitals and insurance companies is horrible. I don't have the answers, but the current system is awful
wopwoman 2 years ago
Do you have a source? its funny how you cons know "the cheapest plan" of the public option when the final version of the bill DOESNT EVEN EXIST YET. keep parroting your right wing talking points and we'll keep dominating you in November.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago 6
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Well crazy us actualy read the bills that they are working on.
YOU idiots are just taking it on faith that a 1500 page bill is a good thing.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I actually read the bills as well... Hr3200 is my favorite one... and the Baucus bill is my least favorite one. I also like Hr676 but I don't think it will make it... I would like to see them reduce the fine and do away with the threat of jail and include the public option. I love the exchange idea which is consistant in all bills. I can't wait to see the final bill. I do believe that it will be pretty good.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 4
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Unless Barry Obey-me is lying out his ass the Baucus bill is DOA. I called Baucus' office and asked about the effect his bill would have on veterans, the answer was a definate "NONE", yet "Obey-me" has put forth a plan to intsitute new and increase existing co-pays for TRICARE and VA care. The two statements do not jibe.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
You really need to try and keep up sweetie.. as everyone knows the Baucus bill was not the final bill.. They are working on the final bill as we speak. It will contain parts of the Baucus bill as well as the other bills. Obama is doing something on the side for the veterans that has nothing to do with the health care reform bill. You are talking about two different things which is why they don't jibe.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 11
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You really do need to keep up. That fact you miss is that all of these people keep telling us what is in the bill...but they conveniently neglect that fact that THERE IS NO BILL...so the truth is, they have all been lying. Obama is doing something for veterans alright, he is waffling between either increasing TRICARE co pays x8 or making us pay for our own health care altogether. That is help I can do without.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
There are 5 bills... and they are being combined into one. As they make decisions on what is included in the final bill they are informing us step by step.. for example we now know that the public option will be in the final bill and it includes the opt out clause. I have a video in my favorites that is about the bill Obama signed just days ago regarding veterans. You really don't seem to know what you are talking about which is why you are getting thumbed down.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 9
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I have read three of the bills, ALL of them have restrictions on veterans, Obama's additional burdens on vets came from his own lips. As for the negative votes, beyond the laugh I get at the liberals who show their stupidity, by posting them, the mean nothing. You cannot seem to stay on track since any bill Obama signed "days ago" will mean nothing if they are struck down by the nationalization of halthcare that Obama is sterring toward.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
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I figured that you would like 3200, I read it too and it is the most revealing of Obama's BS on the subject, since during his speech where Joe Wilson spoke up, he continually lied through the speech about what was in the Bill. The bill that was at that time not in existence.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
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What I find extremely interesting is Barry Obay-me standing up saying that Joe Wilsons "You Lie" comment was "not true", and then Barry telling us "what is in the bill" when the bill as you so astutely cite, "DOESNT EVEN EXIST YET". It seems that the right wingers aren't the only ones parroting talking points.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
The president has been telling you what the bill must consist of if he is going to sign it.. In other words he has laid his expectations on the table. He is not telling you what is in the bill because as you have stated it is not finished yet. They are going through it part by part. We do know that it includes a public option because they have decided that part already.. there are several more parts in consideration.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 9
Your argument is painfully pathetic. Are you suggesting that a random youtuber has the same amount of knowledge as the President about the final version of the bill? Your ignorance is why your party was mercilessly dropkicked out of power. Hope you're enjoying your 20% approval rating CON.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago 4
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I am suggesting nothing of the sort. I am saying that the bills published on the government websites do not match the publis statements that Obama has made repeatedly. So based on this mismatch of information either Obama is a liar, or the DNC dominated Congress and the Dem Congress that wrote the bills are liars, in either case it makes the health care reform nothing more than a bait and switch operation.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
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As for my "party" being kicked from power, it wasn't. I am an independent. As for approval, since Obama has suffered the most drastic drop in popularity in the history of record keeping on Presidnetial approval and now holds a (-10) approval rating, and the DNC led Congress currently being rated at 15% positive and 53% negative, it seems that the Dems aren't exactly the most popular bunch on the planet right now.
If employment does not pick up soon, Obama will be the next one drop kicked.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Do not lie to me CON. Your YouTube subscriptions and your pathetic attempts at imitating your oxycontin-snorting hero expose you for the CON you are. Your lies make me laugh. How does it feel to know that the Super Majority will slowly steamroll your miserable agenda while you're out teabagging?
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago 4
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Like a true liberal you jump to a conclusion and assume that all others are false, never letting youself be confused by the facts. As for you alleged judgement of my views, I see that like a left wing nut job, you see fit to decide then dictate your views as the only possible path. Only time will tell on your so called steamroller, but based on Obama and the socialists in congress losing support with their poll numbers lower than the anchor on the Titanic, I'm optimistic for Conservatism.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Don't try to use words that you don't understand CON. Your statements have errors in grammar that are beginning to rival the errors in your failed philosophy. As for your reference to the polls, it makes me laugh. I can cite tens of polls, I'm sure you are aware, that will show the Democratic approval trouncing the RepubliCANTS. Go teabag someone CON. I know you want to.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago
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Ah yes, holding true to the liberal mantra, you cannot hold up under scrutiny so you merely resort yo ad hominem attacks. Good to see you are a complete liberal in all repsects.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
awe! did i hurt your feelings? if you want to play with the big boys then grow a set CON.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago
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You couldn't hurt me if you tried. I actually had to laugh at the assertion and at your lame attempts to insult. I would consider continuing this at length, but when engaging in a duel of wits I prefer not to assault an unarmed opponent.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
No need to consider continuing this at length? This is why debating a CON is so useless. You retreat at the slightest sign of opposition. But no matter, it is unlikely that I can break through your shield of ignorance.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago
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I agree, based on your display of ignorance and prejudice, you have little chance of citing any logical arguments that could bring anything of value to the discussion. I am somewhat concerned about your viewing anything I have said being a retreat, since in reality, you have offered no real opposition, and I have had no need to retreat.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Somewhat concerned? I'll tell you something you should be VERY concerned about CON. Why does your party have a 15% approval rating in congress? Why do only 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans? Why after 8 years of a Republican executive branch and 6 years of a Republican congress have the American people bulldozed you out of power? The American people and the Super Majority have spoken CON. Why don't you show more concern with that than one comment on YouTube? Silly CON.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago 6
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Since you have absolutly no real effect on my life, I keep my concern about you at "somewhat", and based on the numbers you just cited I see that your hold on reality is like many liberals, totally non existent.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Oh CON. Everything you say is filled with ignorance. And I will SOURCE you now. In a Research 2000 Poll, dated Sep 21, 2009 - Sep 24, 2009 the Republican Minority Leader had an approval rating at 18%. Your hero John Boehner had an approval rating of 12%. Overall, congressional republicans had an approval rating at 17% compared to 38% for Democrats. Look up the poll, as YouTube doesn't allow me to post links.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago 4
20% of Americans as Republicans. SOURCE: "GOP brand sinks to 20 percent" on Politico dated October 20, 2009 based on a WashPost/ABC news poll. Google it. Sucks when you get owned doesn't it?
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago 5
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lol, I feel sorry for you.
Quick go watch some Olbermann so you can feel smart and vastly superior to everyone else with your wizardry in linguistics! Don't forget to catch the next Obama speech for more Neurolinguistic programming, too!
drewd1987 2 years ago
"Lingistism" and "arguement" are not words. Neuro-linguistic programming should be hyphenated or separated by a space, and it does not need to be capitalized in that sentence. I have no interest in talking to you, fifth grader.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago 2
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lol, grow a set? I'd beat your ass in the real world bitch.
drewd1987 2 years ago
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No one cares. I'm not writing a fucking essay, asshole.
drewd1987 2 years ago
It is abundantly clear you don't have that capability, fifth grader.
skcusmocaiv 2 years ago
I know its you Richarde8st because I have seen this before. You start getting your butt kicked and hey presto, smartassadullstick shows up. Its even on the smartassalimpnoodles home page.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I only have one account but I have been accused of being several different people... which I find hilarious. I guess every time you folks meet someone who is smart enough to comprehend things that are not on the back of a box of fruitloops you lunp us all together. I seriously don't know why he left and I wish would come back because then you would realize how foolish and paranoid you are, Unfortunately I think he must be offline.. But I'm sure you don't believe that.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
No I don't believe a proven liar like you.
bobjon38 2 years ago
How am I a proven liar? LOL Oh yeah that's right because you think I am Richard and I said no I'm not you think I am a proven liar... the funny part is I'm not lying so that in fact makes you the liar... You still have not stated the so called proof. LOL
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 3
So you support giving the government direct access to peoples bank accounts? (hr3200)
I know you are richard, but whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Actually they will not have direct access to your bank accounts that is a scare tactic. What you are refering to is the possibility that they will have a computerized card that contains all of your medical records making it much easier for you to get quick and effective treatment when needed. If the government wanted to tap into your bank account or anything else they could already do so after all they have your information already.
No I'm not I just got a message from him though... LOL
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 2
Sure you did.
Anyway, its in the bill you claim to have read. Which you clearly didn't. NOW you are a proven liar outside of the other issue.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I explained what that was really about in my previous comment. Anyway I am getting off work now.. so later... Enjoy your paranoia.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 4
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And richard will be back in 3... 2... 1...
bobjon38 2 years ago
I actually hope he does come back in here when I leave as it will only further your paranoia which will make this so much funnier than it already is. LOL
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 4
smartassa<just left the building.....and richard is coming, right?
mnclesunkey 2 years ago
Oh good lord.
You are the kid in class that everyone hates, huh? Cause you are soooooooooooooooooo smart.
The one that nobody likes cause you can cross the monkey bars better than everyone else...and read faster, and do there work better...
get off of it smartass. If you have to go around telling people you probably aren't.....
mnclesunkey 2 years ago
So I guess you can't answer the question so intead you just hurl insults... and you kind of even suck at that as you don't realize the true meaning of my name... Smart has more than one definition by the way... LOL I will grant you that I am intelligent as well so thanks for the compliment.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 4
What question? LOL
The only person hurling insults is you...
You are soooo smart, go back a read your comments.
No compliments here, just reconizing that you are a smart ass (whip?) not smart ass a whip. You can't even understand that none said you were smart, intelligent, or the other.
"Smart has more than one definition" .....and interpertation too....hmmmmm.
mnclesunkey 2 years ago
You accused me of double speak... I asked you to explain... LOL The fact is I am smarter than you are and there isn't anything I can do about that.. so if you don't like it to bad. And yeah generally when something has more than one definition it has more than one interpretation. That is a no brainer. LOL You said I was the smart kid everyone hated in school blah blah blah,, so yeah you did.. or was that supposed to be an insult? Couldn't be as you just said you don't hurl insults... LOL
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 2
So repeating lies from liberal blogs makes you smart?
LOL
bobjon38 2 years ago
I said you were the kid in school that everyone hated because they could cross the monkey bars better, not bobjon38.
You respond to me with whatever you are wanting to grip about with someone else...yeah, you are so superior....
And I pointed out that while you are saying that someone is hurling insults, your comments can be read and people will see that you are the one hurling insults. And no, I did not insult you. I pointed out how silly you sound saying you are smarter than everyone.
mnclesunkey 2 years ago
Take your time when you answer as I am leaving my office now.. I may or may not be back later... Bye guys.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
HA! I think you nail that one!!! :)
mnclesunkey 2 years ago
Do healthy, young americans realize if Obamacare gets passed that they will be required by law to purchase insurance coverage that they probably don't want or need, and if they don't they'll receive a whopping fine?
creaturesGREATnSmall 2 years ago 2
I have 3 boys and they all realize that which is exactly why they are glad to have an affordable option in the mix. The republicans are for reform but they don't want an affordable option included.. The same with some of the dems like Baucus. All 3 of them will be voting for the first time next election.. They know who has their back and who doesn't.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
The latest brainstorm is to force everyone onto medicare. The same system that is now bankrupt and is so bad that you have to buy suplimental insurance to make it worth a damn.
bobjon38 2 years ago
This is a pointless waste of time you just keep repeating the same bullshit hoping it will become real. I'm bored.............. Later
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
Bye.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I've known plenty of morons that made it in the Army. I don't know why you think its such a major accomplishment. I guess that's all you have to brag about.
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
LOL, shows how little you know about the modern military. But again you prove you are not a veteran.
bobjon38 2 years ago 2
I don't know why you think its such a major accomplishment
You are serious? What a joke.
mnclesunkey 2 years ago
We could have won this war in less than 6 mo. if we had a competent president to begin with. Whether you believe it or not bush allowed the Taliban to gain strength and now we have to deal with it. By the way I worked with the Harpoon missile system if you have any questions.
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
Yeah sure you did. I hold 3 mos's in the army.
11B
13F
88M
Lame liberals. Always pretending to be military.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Guess what? The taliban and al qeada were almost totaly pushed into pakistan untill a weak man entered the whitehouse. Now they are pushing because they know obama will wimp out.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Pushing the Taliban anywhere is not going to win the war...killing the Taliban to the point where they know they cannot win is the only thing that will win. Peace and Victory do not follow restraint, Peace follows Victory and Victory follows decisive action. The last President whas a lot like Mongomery in WW2, and the current one is like Chaimberlain, what is needed is a Patton.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
Can't argue. That was the problem. Bush push them into pakistan and didn't destroy them. Obama seems to want to send them flowers. I read his grand plan for Afghanistan. secure the cities and cede the countryside to the Taliban. Doesn't he have anyone there who has read ANY military history at all? Thats what the british did in the 1840's. Exactly ONE of that force got out alive. Fixed fortifications always fall.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I was an aviation weapons systems tech in the Navy and you are an idiot. Your military experience doesnt mean jack shit. You dont know what youre talking about. "Oh I was in the Army so I know everything that going on in Afghanistan through mental telepathy and Fox News"
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
Sure you were. rolls eyes. Liberals all instantly become vets when military affairs are discussed.
If you would actualy READ my post you would know people WHO ARE THERE, RIGHT NOW. You know, first hand stories not third hand crap you get from white house press releases from thier spokes people on msnbc. I actualy got the story about the over-run base from CNN, msnbc and yes even fox news and they all had the same basic facts. Obama is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Afganhistan.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Wow... the Dems are really pushing FEAR this year, aren't they?
BOW BEFORE OBAMACARE OR YOUR KIDS WILL DIE!!!
corncat 2 years ago
How is what Michelle talking about a fear tactic when almost all parents have an experience like this at some point... Either you are stupid or your have no children. Personally I hope you have no children because you are to soft headed to reproduce.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Most perants make up stories about thier kids illnesses???
Really?
bobjon38 2 years ago
So then you think she is lying? LOL You have no proof of that... but you just think so anyway... Could that be because you have been brainwashed into not even listening to what she is saying? I actually had this same experience when my oldest was a baby. It turned out to be a cold Thank Goodness but they did scare the hell out of me when they said they wanted to test him for menengitous. What makes you think she is making this up?
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
There is proof she is lying but you wouldn't believe it anyway.
BTW I sure hope you remember which account you are signed into. But actualy talking to yourself, now that is werid.
bobjon38 2 years ago
We have all had our scares with kids, my wife had twins, 2 month premature, we had a midnight run to the hospital when one suffered a heart cessation and the monitor alrm went off. My kids have suffered drug reactions due to allergies, asthma, broken bones and medical incompetence. Am I lying? You don't know that either. But then my spouse isn't in politics and looking to take over 1/6th of the greatest economy in the world, so our motives are a bit different.
IMPLR1369007 2 years ago
What exactly is your point?
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 2
"How is what Michelle talking about a fear tactic "
If you look at the motive behind her words and her choice of approach, it is fear mongering. She is using your fear of your child dying, going deaf...ect. to push their agenda.
If it were Laura Bush or any other repub, that is what it would be called.
We need to change our Health care system, no doubt. But their plan is dangerous and for me and millions of others, out of the question.
mnclesunkey 2 years ago
I really wish they would leave folks like you out of the equasion but unfortunately that is not the way it works. These fears are not unrealistic in any way for a parent and people who have kids with no insurance live with these fears everyday. Of course she is trying to make dense folks like yourself see that.. but she fails to realize that you lack compassion and therefore it is pointless. How is the plan dangerous for you? This should be interesting since the final bill has not been written.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
See there is the smug attitude of which obamabots are famous.
It will increase taxes and reduce service. It has a high risk of bankrupting the country. It places my healthcare firmly in the hands of the us government.
None of those are good things.
Now stop asking me to pay your bills.
bobjon38 2 years ago
LOL Did Glenn Beck overuse the word smug recently or something because I have noticed a lot of republican scum tossing it around today.
What services is your private insurance company planing to drop when this passes? How will your healthcare be in the hands of the government unless you sign up for the public option yourself? What about all the folks on Medicare are they at risk? If they are then why are they so hell bent on keeping that program?
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
What services will my private insurance company drop? None. My EMPLOYER will drop all private insurance under the plans being mashed together.
It will cost them less to force us onto the government run plan. It will cost us more.
bobjon38 2 years ago
btw RichardE8ST, you can continue to post as "smartassawhip" if you want but I know its you.
Just so we are clear.
bobjon38 2 years ago
LOL Now that is funny... Because you are wrong. I do know him but we are not one in the same... Of course I don't expect you to believe that because with folks like you everything is a conspiracy.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago
LOL. They are all paranoid! It is impossible for 2 people to share the same view and no be a Republican.. Have to admit, these folks are as funny as they are desperate. I mean, come on! Americans don't deserve healthcare. The idea of all being able to get sick and pay their bills at the same time is absurd! Let them go bankrupt, lose everything just to pay their Dr. bills. Yes, that is so much better.
wopwoman 2 years ago
This doesnt' even make sense wop...try again.
creaturesGREATnSmall 2 years ago