The Dangers of the Emergent Church Episode 1

[bornofGodalone]

sounds like abunch of hooey!



[heatmanable]

Narrow is the way to slavation and few are they that follow it, not complcated really ,not about ranting and raving in the world's fashion " neverhteless God's solid foundation stands firm sealed with the following inscription " the Lord knows those who are His , and all those who call upon the name fo the Lord must put aside wickedness " if you a real Christian, the holy Spirit will make it very clear to you . You will know , then you can decide on what's appropriate .

[heatmanable]

Narrow is the way to slavation and few are they that follow it, not complcated really ,not about ranting and raving in the world's fashion " neverhteless God's solid foundation stands firm sealed with the following inscription " the Lord knows those who are His , and all those who call upon the name fo the Lord must put aside wickedness " if you a real Christian, the holy will make it very clear to you . You will know , then you can decide on what's appropriate .

[willieBsnazzy]

I don't think that this video lives up to it's description.

[Mjlopez1981]

@Timothyk11 -The Left Behind series is based on the rapture....which is not, I repeat, is not part of the teachings of the Holy Bible. It is a concept that is based on a misrepresentation of about two verses in the New Testament.

[Timothyk11]

Holding up "Left Behind" and a pamphlet of WOMR is a bit too clever for me. Is there something wrong with the movie? I have not read the pamphlet. This is a sincere inquiry, no sarcasm here. I enjoyed the movie. You seem to imply that it is "spiritually" bad.  Anybody...?

[01Cinalem]

That's just very annoying... really. Not Rob Bell)

[dealwdale]

@Veteran4Truth I'm quite familiar with the great emergence as well as all the other changes the Church has gone through all the way back to Axial Age. I just don't see what the big hairy deal is. The Reformation happened and the predominant worldview of Christianity changed and brought people closer to God. It's happening again. As far as how it's 'diluting' God's word, you're correct. I don't understand why you feel threatened by a new understanding of God's word.

[diewahrheitistnochda]

the emerging fart is just another rebbellion against God!

[dealwdale]

So we aren't supposed to ask any questions? Is that really the God you believe in? I believe God can handle a few questions.

[jamesc426]

2 Peter 2:1-3

[mystephaniemanning]

stupid!

[daveme7]

As against all postmodern emergent thought as I would see as heretical-this is a poor illustration that does not get into anything remotely related to emegent thought let alone not approaching any kind of criticism. A physical object(car) is a bad representation of a belief or doctrine(postmodernism).

Of course when emergent postmodernism is recycled modernism-should not be that hard to critique

[theassassin43]

dont tag donald miller. he has said time after time he is NOT a member of it

[TheExastrologer]

Some comments show that they do not see the point of this video. What the person in the video is doing is a parody of the way the emergent church presents the doctrines of Christianity...."are you sure the bible is God's word?" "Are you sure Jesus said that?" etc.

I think it's a good illustration. The use of the car is not comparing Jesus or Christianity to a car - it's exposing the faulty "teachings" or non-teachings, rather, of the emergents.

[Drawthemoral]

@TheExastrologer, And of course, the problem with this video's particular strain of parody is that it attempts to make fun of the speaking style of some popular "emergent" icons, rather than actually addressing the issues that are being raised by the emergent movement. When an emergent asks a question like "Are you sure Jesus said that?", it's not simply a rhetorical move that's meant to be a "non-teaching" and confuse people.

[Drawthemoral]

@TheExastrologer It's two things: 1) It's an alternative reaction to fundamentalists and evangelicals who will often dogmatically cite a scriptural interpretation to support their viewpoint, and then claim that it's the only obvious interpretation to have without openess to the fact that they may be wrong. 2) It's actually being realistic about the questions that are raised if you study the development and timeline of the writings and the canon of the New Testament.

[Drawthemoral]

@TheExastrologer, The Bible did not drop down from heaven with a leather binding and 66 books with chapters and verses. That's not to say that it's not useful or inspired by God...but it means that we need to have it subjected to it's proper place and not make an idol out of it.

[TheExastrologer]

@Drawthemoral Your statement has nothing to do with what I've said or what I believe. Who believes the Bible dropped down from the sky like that? That's a red herring. The Bible is God's word - that is not making it an idol. I came out of 20 plus yrs as a New Ager and hating Christianity to becoming one. I know all the arguments against the Bible.

[TheExastrologer]

@Drawthemoral Well, I answered this but for some reason, I don't see it. Who said the Bible dropped out o f heaven? However, it is God's word. That does not make it an idol.

[Drawthemoral]

@TheExastrologer, I posted three different paragraphs to your response. It looks like you only read the 3rd paragraph. This format admittedly makes a conversation difficult. I had to break it up because of the character restrictions. My point isn't a red herring if read with the other two paragraphs. Let me know if you can't see them and I'll just send them to you in a message.

[TheExastrologer]

@Drawthemoral Yes, I saw the other two. I realize that the Emergents are often responding to what is termed "fundamentalism" (a word that has lost its original meaning btw). That's the problem - they paint what they consider to be conservative Christians with a broad brush as though they are all the same or all legalistic, etc. I am a thinking Christian who has examined many attacks on the faith coming from the emergents. I am tired of being stereotyped by them.

[Drawthemoral]

@TheExastrologer, Understandable...and yet, if you re-read your initial comment on this video, you'll notice that you pretty much stereotyped the emergent movement in the same way that you are complaining about being stereotyped. Not to mention, that the video itself is doing a pretty poor job of the same stereotyping...

I don't consider myself "emergent", but I was a "conservative" of various flavors for many years. Christ has since shown me freedom. Love and humility should rule both our words

[TheExastrologer]

@Drawthemoral Well, it's God's word that tells us to love and be humble. I was a New Ager, Zen Buddhist, and astrologer for years before I was a Christian.

[ericthe7method]

Silly Christians. Just silly. I love you all, i really do but you are just as confused as i am. This video proves that.

[Ivantresketecho]

comparing Jesus and faith with a car...fool.

[poo0115104]

Excellent!

[mrfranzheimer]

Of course, its funny and ironical when you come to the realization that the Bible didn't drop out of the sky in its present form. But somehow, miraculously, came to be formed and canonized through the decision of a "group of MEN" and Church Tradition. Which you repulsively throw as heresy at anyone who does not hold to the same exact theological beliefs as you. But I guess that it is hard seeing the plank, and contradiction, in one's own eye when one is spewing condemnation at everyone else.

[snowleopard205]

You were right about one thing; it is lame. Most of those questions could be proven to

[ironjohnlad]

This is funny. By the way I reather like Rob Bells stuff, at least what I have seen on you tube ! But I still found this funny !

John

[PenSword35]

Cars and spirituality are not even comparable

[weberc2]

I imagine Martin Luther and other protestant reformers got the same reactions when they tested the church of there time.

To say that we shouldn't question the status quo is to assume our beliefs perfect. And based on the hurt I see the Church causing or participating in, I can't believe we have perfected anything yet. So I will continue obedience to God when he commands me to test Him and trust Him (not His errant Church) for answers.

[mmrtvnet]

You must not be a Christian, I'm usually a little more sensitive when I respond to people but you are making my faith look bad. The bible is perfect and to assume that our interpretation is wrong and we can never be sure is retarted, idiotic and a way to justify sin. I woild go as far to say that Rob Bell is not christian or Tony Bell, and if you deny scripture neither are you.

[weberc2]

Haha... Because I have to agree with you to be Christian? I suppose I'll just settle for being an ordinary guy who is trying to follow Jesus.

[HDell1994]

mmrtvnet is right, are you telling us that you disagree with what he said? How can you be a Christian and not understand the bible? Indeed it's hard to understand, but with prayer and as a Christian, you SHOULD understand it. If you don't how will you ever gain knowledge on how to live and on God? Saying that you'll settle for being an "ordinary guy" shows the lack of love you have for God. The "ordinary guy" is NOT going to Heaven! Read the bible, God gave it us for a reason. Thanks & God Bless

[weberc2]

To explain myself, I disagree with the idea that we shouldn't ask questions and push for a deeper knowledge of who God is--that is to say we shouldn't settle for where we're at. I never mentioned the Bible.

As far as the "Christian vs Ordinary Guy" thing goes, "Christian" is just a word that means different things to different people. To me, it means an ordinary person who has faith in God to save them. To mmrtvnet it seems to mean people who agree with him about this youtube video.

[weberc2]

By that measure, I am not a Christian. (Also, God never ordained the word "Christian"--it's something of our own concoction, therefore not calling myself Christian but identifying myself as a follower of Him is not disrespecting Him, in my opinion). Thoughts?

[HDell1994]

Hey all I'm saying is that the fact that you DON'T agree with him isn't good. Why? Because you SHOULD understand the bible and believe EVERYTHING the bible says. So if you say that you should "push for a deeper knowledge of who God is," the source you should use to get that knowledge is nothing other than the bible and prayer. If you disagree with this, there is a big problem. And the definition of a Christian is a follower of God, so if you are a follower of God, you should be a Christian.....

[weberc2]

Okay. Well I respectfully disagree as I believe God's communication with His people isn't limited to the Bible--I believe he communicates to His people through other people in relationships and through His Spirit. I believe he does use the Bible to communicate with a great many people but I don't think that's the only way he reveals himself. The only reason I believe the Bible is true is because it matches up so well with what God speaks to me through other media.

[mmrtvnet]

So wait are you saying that other things vidicate GOD more than the bible, such as media and etc? Becuase that would be inaccurate, the bible is the authoritative word of GOD. You said the only reason you believe the word of GOD is becuase it matches up with other media....so wait here's my question, if it didn't match up with other media would you still believe? The bible is the primary source of our faith and you don't have to agree with me but you should agree with the bible.

[weberc2]

First of all, I mean media as plural for medium--methods God uses to communicate. Not "the media" per se. I believe the Bible is true because God validates it. I don't believe in God because the Bible validates Him. The Bible is one of God's tools and it serves Him.... God doesn't serve the Bible. And I do agree with the Bible--because the Bible agrees with God. You commune with God more exclusively through the Bible than do I. God speaks to me in more broad ways, such as reflective prayer.

[mmrtvnet]

I agree that GOD speaks in other forms but the proof that it is GOD speaking should be it's agreement with the bible not the other way around. If we don't use the bible then our faith is man made and all man is flawed. Some argue that the bible is man inspired but Christians believe other wise(that the bible is GOD inspired) So if you don't agree with that then please tell me where your doctrine come's from. The emergent church is a heresie and I hope your not one of them or your doctirne is too

[weberc2]

Again, I disagree... I didn't start believing in God because this book tells me so... Otherwise I'd probably believe in evolution simply because Darwin's "Origin of Species" tells me to. I believe in God because there's something good and true to His voice, and that happens to line up with the Bible, which provides it validation. My doctrine comes from God's instruction in my life. And I don't qualify myself as being part of any church but God's Church. If that's heretical then I'm a heretic.

[HDell1994]

I agree with mmrtvnet and just would like to add that I also agree with you to some extent. Yes God speaks to us through people and media but the PRIMARY source is the bible. Anyways, I'm pretty much finished now, and as long we are all serving the same true God, the differences in our doctrine doesn't matter. Thanks and God Bless.

[weberc2]

Thanks for your insight, it was really good talking with you. :)

[Imaginefree69]

Yes, people are emerging! And it's TIME to emerge! What is actually happening in these times, of course, is that education and reason are FINALLY making religion redundant. More than redundant, really, obsolete and harmful are more accurate. YHWH was invented by bronze-age desert-dwellers who were ignorant and afraid of the dark. Now we know that eclipses and storms and disease are not caused by invisible sky-dwellers. Education destroys religion. Every time. And it's time.

[boomac62]

when will we stop casting stones at each other?

[aphoxpsylemairport]

when there's nothing left worth fighting for.

[boomac62]

so it will never end.....because Christians will NEVER all agree on everything..after all we can't all be right.

[Zonebone]

When Jesus Christ comes all will be revealed...

[loveenduresall]

i think it's funny that the example of media and the example of preaching the gospel both contain kirk cameron. priceless.

[godsplumbline]

Their is no unity and love in a conterfiet unity and love, my God is no mush God..

[TheStyleHammer]

Rob Bell will steal this use and use it in a new book soon ^_^ !

[mrfranzheimer]

Well, the problem here is that you are using as an illustration something very finite...a car, in the place of something very infinite...God. The metaphor falls just a little short. Which explains probably why you don't get emergents. God is not something wholly measurable, nor tangible. He is far greater than us, and greater than any measuring stick that we may hold to him. In fact, you using a man-made object to compare God with, hints that your solid view of God is pretty man-made in itself.

[TexazEric]

Question 1: How do you KNOW these things about God?

Questiong 2: By What authority did you draw these conclusions or make these assumptions?

[mrfranzheimer]

Answer 1: If God wasn't something immeasurable to us then He wouldn't be God, but a formula or idol.

Answer 2: Do you disagree with my assertion that God cannot be measured? By what conceited authority would you say this is not the case? Are you really going to try and quote the Bible to back up your formula or idol of God?

[mmrtvnet]

The emergent church is a cult that comes up with man made ideas but claims there not man made. How can they cliam GOD is not measurable and that our belief's are man made when your belief's were made by a group of MEN. You claim that we are wrong in our belief's but says who you aren't wrong. How you claim the bible is not clear enough to be interpreted and that we should embrace mystery, what is the point of the bible then, to confuse us. Your church is idiotic and a heresie.

[anAlligatorHat]

heresy.... hahahaha

[AKhardcore1]

Nicely done. Truth WAR!

[godsplumbline]

The Emergent Church is a threat to concervitive evangelicals.

[cubie777]

That attitude is a threat to the love and unity of the body of Christ

[JessAbt]

why is Donald Miller tagged in this?

Oh, and this analogy does nothing for me. You've spoken no truth here.

[ghostnoteus]

Didn't a prominent emergent church leader just announce that unrepentant homosexuals can make it to heaven. I believe it was Tony Jones. Where in the Bible does it say that?

[AKhardcore1]

Yeah check alittleleaven(.)com. It has all the apostates and heretics on file. He was on a recent post doing just that among other things.

[LukeBogue]

Ahem. "Versus", not "verses"

[LukeBogue]

To be honest, many I have seen categorized as "Emerging" are more solidly rooted in early-church orthodoxy than any church I have read of since the early church: sin, repentance, heaven, hell, salvation, sanctification - all these are acknowledged as part of our walk, along with the oft-neglected (in America, at least) practices of caring for the needy, disowning greed and covetousness, working to repair interdenominational rifts, and delineating what is cultural verses what is of Christ.

[LukeBogue]

I think the "Emerging Church" is ill-understood by those in it, and less understood by those outside of it. It seems to be a smattering of individuals that don't necessarily seem to fit in with much of evangelicalism, though many have come from an evangelical background. They are sort of an "other"-category group, and as such, there are many different viewpoints. Maybe many here have seen Emergelings practice some form of heresy, but my experience with them has been largely otherwise...

[akeemsdream]

Gal 1:6-8 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

We must hold firm the the true Gospel message of Jesus Christ.

[aggiebuck14]

all this controversy over whats right and whats wrong? does all this even matter? we can sit here and argue about meaningless things all day long or realize that Jesus called us to more than that. We need to stop petty arguments in the church and focus on what really matters. Serving our Lord.

[akeemsdream]

You cannot serve the Lord if you don't understand His message. The emergent church has redefined the gospel message.

They do not preach sin

They do not preach repentance

They do not preach Hell

they do not preach the true message of the cross.

Look up to the next comment for what Paul tells the Galatians!

[Dvanme00]

But the Gospel means "good news"...judgment on those who don't repent is inevitable...but it is NOT the message! Jesus came to set us free...not give us just another set of rules to live by.

[byf8th]

Well said!

[emmanuelibus]

it is only good to those that accept Jesus as Lord and savior.

it is judgement to everyone else.

[livinfree123]

In fact there are the 2 great commandments. To Love the Lord your God with ALL the heart,mind & soul and your neighbor as yourself.You must be born again and filled with the Holy Spirit to fulfill the laws of love.

[jesusfreakrkg]

Notice however these are just that--the LAW. Does the law save? Can we even keep the law? If you break one law, you are guilty of breaking every law.  Does anyone go ONE DAY without breaking the law?

Yes, the law is love God and love others.

The gospel is not the law, but a gospel by grace through faith... purchased by the atoning sacrifice of Christ Jesus for the sins of those who respond in repentance and are given faith. :-)

[Dvanme00]

There's quite a difference between a tangible Lexus and a document that is thousands of years old, been copied through centuries, edited, and misinterpreted. 

BTW-way of the master is a terrible evangelism method

[theguyfromaustralia]

The Book of Acts is a great book to learn about evangelizing. Can you show me anywhere in the book of Acts where it fits the Emergent method?

[Dvanme00]

I agree...the book of Acts is great! From my experience with the Emergent Church, one of the key tenets is making the gospel relevant to the culture. The gospel does not change, but the methods of reaching can. The first event of evangelism in Acts is the day of Pentecost. People from all over had gathered in Jerusalem for the celebration of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit came, the people started speaking in other languages...(continued in next reply)

[Dvanme00]

...(continuation of last post) the people could not understand the glories of God in the language the people in the upper room spoke, but when the Holy Spirit empowered them, they spoke in languages the people could understand. In today's world, the church speaks a language that the culture of the world cannot understand. Good evangelism is when people are empowered by the Holy Spirit to LIVE and SPEAK in a cultural language they can understand. The message should never change, the method can.

[theguyfromaustralia]

The fact that God has declared judgment on those under Adam should not change. I know there are some good emergents but there are some terrible ones.

[livinfree123]

How about this one, its a SHOCKER. Shut off the boob tube,music,internet,phone and get before God and ask to be forgiven of unbelief, and any forgiveness toward others. Staying there for hours and coming back each day. Also how about praying that Gods will be done, and to suffer like Jesus,um, maybe loose a job,sell your possessions and give to needy saved brothers&sisters. Die to self, love God and your b&s as he said they would know were were believers by our love 1 for another. Shocking uh?

[raphaelaaron]

why don't you go back into scripture using a greek and hebrew dictionary? it seems to work for most people.

the emergent church thinks its revolutionary, but its already been disproven to be heretical due to the leaders views on universalism. way of the master isn't perfect, but it does a better job of showing the truth of scripture, while emergents tend to question things that should not be questioned. like the virgin birth of Jesus.

[TheGlassPriest]

Who would you use as an example of someone that actually uses Jesus Christ for Jesus Christ's sake? Think of the alternative; The "Christian Right"... no thank you. I was an atheist then agnostic (I didn't feel humans were capable of understanding the truth) but I was also using self-serving a-holes as an example of Christianity like G. Bush, Hagge, Wright, so on so forth. I read Blue Like Jazz and God Knows What; now I'm a Christian; just have to have an open mind my friend.

[atzqua]

taco

[shreddski]

thank you.

[keith8404]

Lame

[sounddiv]

this is one big strawman argument. (look it up...)

people, PLEASE learn some basic logic!

here's the questions you should really be asking: "what would Jesus have us do on this earth? What are the most important things he'd have us do? By what method should we reach the lost?"

THESE are the questions the emerging church is asking, not whether Jesus is the Son of God or not (if you have quotes of an emerging leader DIRECTLY denying Jesus as the son of God, I'd love to hear them)

[whitedragonawa]

They dont deny anything except that it IS true that Jesus was the son of God. Some Emergent church people are not that way, there is abroad spectrum but its deep in post modern logic which really isnt logic at all.

[ronjba]

video is lame

[mdeuvmtl]

Good illustration tekhak.

[drycreekvideo]

Rob Bell resides at the apex of Gnosticism in a juxtaposition twist. He claims to have divorced himself of a need for goofy spirituality in exchange for an "earthy" understanding of his own neo-spirituality. He clams a super ceding knowledge of the heart of Jesus and that makes original/classical Gnosticism tame by comparison!

[biggydman]

Holy cow- I don't know what you just said, but it "feels" right to me- so I'm accepting it as truth.

[randplaty]

That's not the type of questions that the emerging church is asking. You may say, "This is a bright red new Lexus." An emerging church person might say, "but is that all it is? Yes it's a car that can get you places, but it's also a status symbol. It's also the car you'll have your first date with your wife in. It's the thing that will get you to the hospital for the birth of your first child. It's so much more than just a red Lexus."

[tonymyles]

Some might ask questions like this. As I see it, though, you stereotyped the wrong questions.

Using your analogy, consider gas prices.

True emerging church conversation would be: "What if there's a better way than gas to run a car?" and "Are you sure that you're getting the best gas mileage?"

Perhaps those are questions worth asking,

given the unhealthy state of gas. Questions like that can create healthy "fuel" alternatives - which only self-interest groups are afraid of.

Hmm.

[chestertonrules]

Go to any poverty stricken hell hole in the world and you will find Catholics living out the gospel of Christ there.

St. Augustine:

"This Church is Holy, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall not conquer her." 395 A.D.

[luvdady]

hey I like the $20,000 pyramid style of preaching if you tell a lie you are a? hipocrite? no if you lie you are morespecificly a... lier?if you have looked on a woman with lust you are a ? adulterer.

excelent point

[gonindunit]

He's lumping every Christian on the planet into a certain stereo-type. Not too smart.

[tleh1]

Good job of comparing Car Salesman selling cars to christians selling Jesus!

[tekhak]

That was not the comparison...

[tleh1]

I know it was a "lame" illustration of emergent. But it my mind it did remind me of how the gospel is/can be interpreted as a multilevel marketing scheme: Trying to sell something instead or live it.

Sry i missed the point

[nothin957]

@tekhak yea good job comparing something tangible to something intangible

[bassman1731]

@tleh1 remember that one time when Jesus used parables...

[MrsWLeach]

@tleh1 John 14:6. I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME. If you aren't warned that there is a cliff ahead, then the person doesn't warn you is accountable.

[foveostag]

Uuh... I understood the Lexus thing but the rest was confusing.

[makehimnum1]

Did we just get a comparison of a Lexus and the Bible? or a Lexus and Jesus? Sounds a bit fishy and simplistic to me, but them again the WOTM is like that too.

In it's day it was very powerful, but I think we need to move on.

[foveostag]

Move on?

What, from preaching the gospel?

Oh, new and different ways?

What, like the law and the gospel is not relevent anymore?

COME ON!

[makehimnum1]

Moving on to different ways to preaching the gospel. The WOTM was a dynamic and amazing alternative to what came before it. But if it doesn't continue to be dynamic (changeable), something else will take it's place in the same way it did it to whatever came before it. The gospel is still very relevant, but like I said, the reason the WOTM was created was because what was going on at the time was not relevant anymore. And it's not that I think that the WOTM is irrelevant... but its getting there.

[shorelineoftahoe]

Ok, Are you for "the way of the master" technique of law / Grace , or are you putting them down?

[tekhak]

I a for the technique, but against the bad movies...

[mowriter]

pish.  Jesus as your Lexus. In your anti-emergent absolutist paradigm, that's exactly what you have said. Non-emergents should fear metaphor.

[BloodStainedLamb]

are you sure you know what your saying? because I don't. try making sense and post that message in a video.

[jtwilber]

I just dont get this guys point.

[leechozeppelin]

what christians should do is preach the gospel and make diciples from house to house and door to door hebrews 20:20 the only ones doing it is either the jehova witnesses or the mormons????? jesus said preach the gospel and make diciples and you sure can't make one just by a one time witness if they are interested you come back and teach the gospel till the learn it and believe in JASHUA THE KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS........

[Rangerdavie]

Please take this ridiculous clip and all others like it off from youtube so that people don't waste their time clicking on it.

[duhsciple]

adam, where are you?

where is your brother, Abel?

should I destroy the great city?

do you see this woman?

whom are you looking for?

Simon, do you love me?

I live by these questions rather than pre-digested, regurgitated answers. Nutrients might be there, but tastes awful!

[tekhak]

So what God, asks questions, does he deny truth?

[jsharp1701]

There are straightforward declarations in Scripture as well, duhsciple. Not just questions. Jesus asked Peter, "Do you love me?" but He also unequivocally stated, "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God." To reject straightforward answers because they were taught rather than "experienced" is silly. That's like saying you should never stop and ask for directions on the highway because you need to "find out for yourself." And, yes, I used a metaphor!

[duhsciple]

Yes, there are many straightforward statements! We agree.

And... the questions of Jesus are important because that ask, "Will you follow me on the Way?" Our lives are the answer.

And... often the straightforward answers turn out to be challenging questions. For example, you cannot serve God and Mammon is an "answer, " including myself, still try to have both ways. We try to have both God and Mammon.

Peace as you live the questions/answers! Tim

[duhsciple]

Jesus asked 138 questions in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Did He ask too many questions?

[tekhak]

The questions did not Deny the existence of Truth.

[SGTJP]

Well done faithful servant!!!

[doubleg2005]

so Left Behind is a result of the Emerging church? really? hm, i guess you learn something new every day...

[JeriRose2]

He likes Left Behind. He said didn't want people to end up this way (Left Behind) so they preache the Gospel this way (The way of the Master)

[marcuspittman]

No I said I don;t want people to make bad media like Left Behind, which was a terrible movie but I want them to preach the Gospel Effectively like WOTM using High Quality Media.

[SGTJP]

Ameen and Amen! I agree with both points 100%!

[dnah2k]

Unfortunately, as crafty as the devil is I don't believe we see the real danger: high profile leaders in the Church hardening their hearts toward one another and turning others in the process, instead of praying with each other and having useful discussions about what they really mean by their comments...

[Jitpring]

Such is the dictatorship of relativism.

[misterjonnywatson]

are you sure!!!

[Shoots1978]

What wrong with Left Behind? It is based on the days in revelation and the tribulation times. And besides Left behind two uses the law to bring about sin. The part where Buck (Kirk) is talking to the man outside the church.

[tekhak]

Just because you share the Law in a movie does not make the movie good. The movie was terrible. It had good theology, but it was poorly written and acted.

[wizardofoz18]

Actually the movie had terrible theology. There is less Biblical evidence for pre-trib than any other of the theories on the rapture.

So are you suggesting we should stop making movies and make tracts instead?

[tekhak]

No I am saying we should make GOOD Movies or make NO Movies at all.

[fvelilla]

''the only thing that was left behind in the left behind books was the bible'' -paul washer''

[larrywalkerntbi]

That's great! Paul Washer is awesome!!!!You must be southern!

[fvelilla]

no im amillenial :)

[misterjonnywatson]

Pretty clever to use quote "anonymous emergant".....is that you by chance

[tekhak]

No it's a guy on MySpace a debate with...

[kmcl11]

I agree the Left Behind series is not truthful. The scenarios in thier books are unimaginitive and very much based on Isreal being attacked because that is the basis of Christianity.

[DinoDude06]

Let's see we are suppose to examine ourselves. 2Cor 13:5. So we should ask is this a car or not? Paul called out false bretherns, apostles, ect. So did Jesus. Rev(2&3). Once again another emergiant fool who trust in his own heart, the traditions of men and not the Bible. -Daniel

[gzuslives]

Yes, Jesus taught to love one another. But said before that, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. If you love Him, you will put no other gods before Him. Unity at the expense of His Truth is false and leads to deception. He will no longer hear your prayers.

[tekhak]

Thumbs Up and a Hands Clap!

[Pizerl]

I will pray to St.Jude for all of you!

[Shoots1978]

Why would you pray to a saint? Jesus Christ is the only one between us and God.

[makehimnum1]

The orthodox Christian view is that you can ask saints to pray for you... that's what it means. If you believe that they are in the presence of God. If you affirm the Nicene Creed, you affirm communion of saints. That's the official catholic view on Mary as well... she shouldn't be worshiped, or prayed to exclusively. She' simply a partial intermediary... that you can ask her to pray on your behalf. I personally don't know what I think that this, but this is the official view.

[refugeguy]

Thanks. Not that it matters. I was just curious as if your vids were satire due to the fact that you use a WOTM style with some of your evang vids.... Thanks for clearing that up.

What kind of contact have you had with RRS?

[refugeguy]

Can you please let me know what you mean by your closing statements. I am unsure as to what you are standing by...

thanks.

[tekhak]

Preach the Gospel using Law and Grace (Like WOTM) while making videos and productions that exceed Left Behind Movies. It was jsut a Kirk Cameron Joke. Did not mean anything really, just an inside joke with my friends.

[jcnava15]

but at the end of they day that Lexus is not going to change because of the questions.I am a Christian I think this illustration is dumb, and pretentious. If we don't have ppl questioning what we believe, how do we know its genuine, and not just show and tell? Jesus said that loving. Absolute truth is Christ. What is wrong with loving people?

"So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the Law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12 RSV)

[LaneCh]

The argument: "There is no absolute truth." is a self-destructive argument because if someone declares that there is no absolute truth, you can respond, "Is that absolutely true?" ...Do you see the point?

So there is absolute truth: Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.  (1 John 4:2)

Go to Godtube dot com and look up 'apologetics'. Watch the three videos: Apologetics, Apologetics v.2, and Apologetics v.3 . They are very insightful.

[greenoregon]

Pretty ridiculous.

[openthinker]

I like the sound fo your new red car but if I were going off road I'd like a car which is designed to go off road. Is there just one correct ultimate car? Or is the automobile industry constantly reforming and improving and providing a diversity of cars for different audiences? I don't want to drive a morris minor.

[openthinker]

Your mates asking you all those questions about your new car will advance your understanding and appreciation of it. You can tell someone's interested in something if they ask you a load of questions about it. Sometimes you thought you understood what the car salesman said (is this the evangelist!?) and maybe didn't fully get it all. Sometimes the salesman puts things a bit too simply. Sometimes the salesman might even be slightly misinformed.

[openthinker]

that's a cool way of presenting your argument, quite funny too. Here's my defence of soem of your points, whilst still trying to enjoy the analogy.

[tgo246]

seems to me, you are just dissin on people who you dont agree with. Is that ur ministry? To diss others? didnt you get fired from your job b/c you said you were being lazy and not doing ur job? And now you have a ministry that trys to tare down others that actually do their jobs? You are sick and twisted to do this. I hope that God will open ur eyes one day to what u are doing, so that u would stop. I give you and this video the lowest rating possible!

[tekhak]

No, Actually I got fired for being on break. That's a completly differnet matter.

I did not label anyone specifically. In fact there are good sides to the Emergent Church. My attack was on the heresy of the Emergent Church, which blends incorrect doctrine, postmodernisim and presents a social gospel.

You should really research what the bible says about how to handle Heresy and False Doctrine, beore you accuse me of such terrible things.

[tgo246]

I am well learned on how to address and act about and deal with false teachings. Heresy on the other hand, is any teachings that go against the Catholic Roman Church and their beliefs. Last i heard you are not catholic and neither am i. So reading what you just wrote, i can see its not me that needs to learn this stuff...

[tgo246]

i went back to the group and got the thread u posted where in the first sentence u stated u got fired for "being lazy." Those were ur words. So my question is if you say u were fired b/c u are on break and they jipped' ya and in the thread u said you were fired for being lazy, which one is the truth and in which one did you lie in?

[tekhak]

I was lazy, which meant I should have quit but was to comfortable and didn't want to take the risk. My past mistakes are not up for discussion.

[bradidup]

The Roman Catholic religion is a conglomerate of manmade traditions, hoaxes, false religions, and even many Christian teachings all MINGLED into one but it certainly is NOT Christian. The devil is a master counterfeiter (2nd Corinthians 11:13-14). Satan always disguises his deceits and lies with elements of truth to deceive the masses. I pray that you won't be one of Satan's victims by adhering to the unbiblical heresies of Roman Catholicism.

[Pizerl]

If we look at the preachings of the Lord,one important thing comes to mind.LOVE ONE ANOTHER!Your spreading judgement and indifference!Just beleiving and teaching other's to love was God's message!

[tekhak]

Yes, but Love does not go without disipline. WHat about in 2nd Timothy where it says reprove, rebuke, exhort.

True Love is not Mushy and emotion driven, it is nurturing and corrective.

What a terrible parent who does not say no to their Child as he spoils himself with candy as nutrition.

[Pizerl]

What a fool, who believes every word in the bible. A book written and rewritten over thousands of years by different men and their points of view.You can't quote the bible word for word and believe it all, thats ignorant! It's a book of fables to try and live life by.

[makehimnum1]

The original reformers didn't want to split from the Church, they wanted to reform it. and the first reformed churches were still "high church."

[rwg279]

hey keep it up you guys.. get a hold of me.. God Bless you