@onthecuttingedge2005 Just regular small bearings 10mm ID, 20mm OD. I think air-friction is the greater loss. Now I use ceramic bearings, or NO bearings!...The current project is an awesome adaption of Veljko Milkovic's pendulum. We use two massive steel battering ram type pendulums (parallelogram pendulums) with arc segment magnetic gearing where they oscillate for synchronicity. The input energy is trivial, and the output is phenomenal!.. When perfected, we will publish the working plans.
@onthecuttingedge2005 ...ha! ha! ha!...I was the culprit!...since then we have been evaluating magnetic gearing with a long 'soak-test' magnets is opposition do wear the magnets down, but are preserved in 'attractive' mode. We were playing with eccentric rotation for Professor Liz Bradley (Colorado Uni). Now that we have the new Oregon Scientific ATC9K data mapping stunt camera, our next task is to measure pendulum G-Forces etc. in different configurations. (With wheels that don't wobblw!;?D)
There is far more to this research, than just analysis of non-linear dynamics. Each of these wheels has a slot extending 25mm (an inch) from a center-hole. We have established that magnets in '"Attractive" configuration are best. They preserve the magnetism, and eliminate parasitic lateral forces. This work is in co-operation with Serbian Inventor Veljko Milkovic, and aims to investigate "Non-Isentropic Enthalpy" anomalies presented by Veljko Milkovic's intriguing cantilever pendulum devices.
@Changeling9au Thanks for the nice comments, This project has been on the 'back-burner' for a while due to other comitments. I have personally witnessed it bursting into renewed life, from almost an exhausted condition, on numerous occasions. I make no claims though. It might be stored potential energy? i.e. (released magnetic type 'spring-tension' ???)
awesome. with more magnets and hooked up to a car generator and a battery you would have unlimited supply of energy. smiles. great job. great first vid too. great music. smiles.
That's the primary objective, and we think we have a way to get there, Check out 'Veljko Milkovic' here on YTube, and think 'double synchronized pendulums', the magnetic gears, as you can see, are almost frictionless!;-)
GREAT IDEA 'uturniaphobic' thanks for the tip. Perhaps two round sheets of glass, with a 'Scroll Compressor' insert (see Wikipedia animation) to constantly pump air into the center, and create an 'Air Bearing'... or magnetic levitation?
Art and Science should be best buddies, . Chemistry began with monks trying to perfect coloured pigments and dyestuffs. way back in the middle ages!
Thanks for the 'positive' feedback, Plenty more to come on this 'magnetic gear' theme. For further inspiration 'Matey3', check out "Leonardo Da Vinci Automovile (1495)" and also " Living Energy Machine" here on YouTube.
I am still at the bottom of 'The Learning Curve'...both with this concept, and making videos. I hope to improve on both.
... Out of KA OS comes the AOK and the OAK and the TKO for the SOK of the Pore. ... dancing Skulls and the SirKulling of the BEA GULLS brings the DEAGulls.
Your astute intuition comes to the fore-s-t-one the crows!..where did that "stone the crows" exclamation come from?..I wonder. Their song from atop an oak, is "Kaw Kaw Kaw".
I am currently composing some soundscapes with indeterminate rythmic structure which may assist in the visual experience...I shall send you an MP3 to try it out over the Video file it might be interesting.
I was playing the music live, and did you notice the little tribute that those chaos wheels paid you at the end of their cycle, (2:20) they were in perfect time with the music. The 'butterfly-effect', a tiny input makes a huge difference. I think they liked the beat.... 'Coincidence' is the dull explanation....yawn!
Thanks 'finefilth'. I will be smiling when there are two ten pound lead weights inside the rim of these two wheels. they won't have a 'cam' action like these, but will be mounted on a springy frame, so they can bounce up-n-down. The magnetic gears will keep them in perfect, friction-free syncronization. I have done the experiment in cardboard, so know what to expect. There will be a lot of egg over faces. especially those who scorn over-unity. The next experiment should conclusively prove OU!;-)
Thanks for the comment, 'chaos pendulums' are totally dependant on initial conditions, one micron different, and the outcome is different. This is 'work in progress' I hope to build a kind of 'Chaos Clock Mechanism' Those nice people at Magnet Expert Ltd. have offered to help realize this artistic project. BRAVO!
I must root round the stainless steel scrap skips for suitable material. We live next to BAE Systems and Rolls Royce etc.. This is the centenary of Charles Rolls' tragic death 1909.
"...'chaos pendulums' are totally dependant on initial conditions, one micron different, and the outcome is different."
Hmmm. I wonder if it's practical (or even possible) to mathematically model it. If it is, it would be a nice little project for me to do when I get around to learning how to use Adobe Flash.....
@Changeling9au ...Too right they are!...It's impossible to repeat two experiments....These pendulum wheels have a slot at their centre, not a hole, so that the amount of 'cam' can also be adjusted. At some point I will place them in a Perspex frame. It is as much a kinetic sculpture as anything else A 'Mathematical Model' with exactly similar initial conditions would repeat.
Neat 'O, did you use regular bearing or did you use Magnetic bearing? I think those wheels did a good job of storing the energy, can it be improved?
onthecuttingedge2005 10 months ago
@onthecuttingedge2005 Just regular small bearings 10mm ID, 20mm OD. I think air-friction is the greater loss. Now I use ceramic bearings, or NO bearings!...The current project is an awesome adaption of Veljko Milkovic's pendulum. We use two massive steel battering ram type pendulums (parallelogram pendulums) with arc segment magnetic gearing where they oscillate for synchronicity. The input energy is trivial, and the output is phenomenal!.. When perfected, we will publish the working plans.
WarzSchoolchild 10 months ago
it died, it got covered up, by some mystery hand.
onthecuttingedge2005 10 months ago
@onthecuttingedge2005 ...ha! ha! ha!...I was the culprit!...since then we have been evaluating magnetic gearing with a long 'soak-test' magnets is opposition do wear the magnets down, but are preserved in 'attractive' mode. We were playing with eccentric rotation for Professor Liz Bradley (Colorado Uni). Now that we have the new Oregon Scientific ATC9K data mapping stunt camera, our next task is to measure pendulum G-Forces etc. in different configurations. (With wheels that don't wobblw!;?D)
WarzSchoolchild 10 months ago
There is far more to this research, than just analysis of non-linear dynamics. Each of these wheels has a slot extending 25mm (an inch) from a center-hole. We have established that magnets in '"Attractive" configuration are best. They preserve the magnetism, and eliminate parasitic lateral forces. This work is in co-operation with Serbian Inventor Veljko Milkovic, and aims to investigate "Non-Isentropic Enthalpy" anomalies presented by Veljko Milkovic's intriguing cantilever pendulum devices.
WarzSchoolchild 10 months ago
Extraordinary!
Perhaps sometime you might want to make a vid explaining the technical details of the "chaos machine"....
I have little doubt that soon magnetic motors will be a commonplace device.
But beware of "Magniwork" - a well orchestrated scam which is all over the internet. Peswiki has details of it.
Changeling9au 1 year ago
@Changeling9au Thanks for the nice comments, This project has been on the 'back-burner' for a while due to other comitments. I have personally witnessed it bursting into renewed life, from almost an exhausted condition, on numerous occasions. I make no claims though. It might be stored potential energy? i.e. (released magnetic type 'spring-tension' ???)
WarzSchoolchild 1 year ago
Awesome, put more magnets! :).
P.S. whats the song name?
shikengriuber 1 year ago
@shikengriuber Sorry for being stupid, it's in description.
shikengriuber 1 year ago
Very interesting device. Congratulations on the authors.
lekunberriko1 1 year ago
awesome. with more magnets and hooked up to a car generator and a battery you would have unlimited supply of energy. smiles. great job. great first vid too. great music. smiles.
Lisa B.
warriorsbond 2 years ago
Hi Lisa B,
That's the primary objective, and we think we have a way to get there, Check out 'Veljko Milkovic' here on YTube, and think 'double synchronized pendulums', the magnetic gears, as you can see, are almost frictionless!;-)
WarzSchoolchild 2 years ago
maybe lay them on their side! negate gravity
cool idea man!
uturniaphobic 2 years ago
GREAT IDEA 'uturniaphobic' thanks for the tip. Perhaps two round sheets of glass, with a 'Scroll Compressor' insert (see Wikipedia animation) to constantly pump air into the center, and create an 'Air Bearing'... or magnetic levitation?
Art and Science should be best buddies, . Chemistry began with monks trying to perfect coloured pigments and dyestuffs. way back in the middle ages!
WarzSchoolchild 2 years ago
Please let me know if you try it and upload results! I wanna see too!
uturniaphobic 2 years ago
Great!
I should have thought of this man it is a very good idea indeed.
opens up a whole new door to other things.
Matey3 2 years ago
Thanks for the 'positive' feedback, Plenty more to come on this 'magnetic gear' theme. For further inspiration 'Matey3', check out "Leonardo Da Vinci Automovile (1495)" and also " Living Energy Machine" here on YouTube.
I am still at the bottom of 'The Learning Curve'...both with this concept, and making videos. I hope to improve on both.
WarzSchoolchild 2 years ago
... Out of KA OS comes the AOK and the OAK and the TKO for the SOK of the Pore. ... dancing Skulls and the SirKulling of the BEA GULLS brings the DEAGulls.
anutarasamyat 2 years ago
Your astute intuition comes to the fore-s-t-one the crows!..where did that "stone the crows" exclamation come from?..I wonder. Their song from atop an oak, is "Kaw Kaw Kaw".
WarzSchoolchild 2 years ago
the Kroes are the SEE Rows, the Special K Rows and the ZeeRoes... hahahaha... St. ONE the KayRoes... will BEE the Deth of US all.
anutarasamyat 2 years ago
I am currently composing some soundscapes with indeterminate rythmic structure which may assist in the visual experience...I shall send you an MP3 to try it out over the Video file it might be interesting.
Regards
Frank Savage.
FrankSavages 2 years ago
I was playing the music live, and did you notice the little tribute that those chaos wheels paid you at the end of their cycle, (2:20) they were in perfect time with the music. The 'butterfly-effect', a tiny input makes a huge difference. I think they liked the beat.... 'Coincidence' is the dull explanation....yawn!
WarzSchoolchild 2 years ago
excellent!!! next time we want to see your smiling face
finefilth 2 years ago
Thanks 'finefilth'. I will be smiling when there are two ten pound lead weights inside the rim of these two wheels. they won't have a 'cam' action like these, but will be mounted on a springy frame, so they can bounce up-n-down. The magnetic gears will keep them in perfect, friction-free syncronization. I have done the experiment in cardboard, so know what to expect. There will be a lot of egg over faces. especially those who scorn over-unity. The next experiment should conclusively prove OU!;-)
WarzSchoolchild 2 years ago
an interesting combination of strange natural forces with that improvised track you played. Well done on many levels..,.
FrankSavages 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment, 'chaos pendulums' are totally dependant on initial conditions, one micron different, and the outcome is different. This is 'work in progress' I hope to build a kind of 'Chaos Clock Mechanism' Those nice people at Magnet Expert Ltd. have offered to help realize this artistic project. BRAVO!
I must root round the stainless steel scrap skips for suitable material. We live next to BAE Systems and Rolls Royce etc.. This is the centenary of Charles Rolls' tragic death 1909.
WarzSchoolchild 2 years ago
@WarzSchoolchild
"...'chaos pendulums' are totally dependant on initial conditions, one micron different, and the outcome is different."
Hmmm. I wonder if it's practical (or even possible) to mathematically model it. If it is, it would be a nice little project for me to do when I get around to learning how to use Adobe Flash.....
Changeling9au 1 year ago
@Changeling9au ...Too right they are!...It's impossible to repeat two experiments....These pendulum wheels have a slot at their centre, not a hole, so that the amount of 'cam' can also be adjusted. At some point I will place them in a Perspex frame. It is as much a kinetic sculpture as anything else A 'Mathematical Model' with exactly similar initial conditions would repeat.
WarzSchoolchild 1 year ago