ever heard of non-alcoholic wine? non alcoholic beer, like Busch NA? everyone seems to be so smart to ASSume that alcohol is in the wine that the bible talks about. forget that though, i'm not here to advocate against alcohol, i'm here to ask about marijuana (cannabis). why is that illegal? why can't we legalize the HERB BEARING SEED mentioned in Genesis. its a plant never touched by man. zero deaths too btw
The most of us are just standing in opposition that those who have no qualm manipulating scripture to create a sin out of something that they find culturally (read: not scripturally) offensive.
@brenwilliams Some of them are morons....but what discourages me is that many of them are simply dishonest. Those that I have known who say Christians cannot drink are Baptists. They claim Sola Scriptura and that the Bible is the final authority....but when it comes down to it their extrabiblial beliefs trump what the Bible says and they bend the scriptures to say what they want. It makes me wonder how many other areas they do this same thing. In summary...the Bible is not their authority
@napone0 the most natural exegesis would be that the bible permits alcohol (except those who have taken a specific vow against it) but prohibits drunkenness. sure, a person could argue that the bible promotes drunkenness, or that it promotes total abstinence. the question is, if you take one of the latter two positions, how do you avoid the conclusion that the bible is contradictory to itself (and thus lose the traditional understanding of "inerrancy" or divine inspiration)?
Many preachers like to pretend that the writers of the Bible
had such limited vocabularies
that they had only one word to use
to describe all the products of a grape vine.
This is not the case.
See the requirements of a Nazarite vow
in Numbers chapter six:
"He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried."
I am a protestant, and once I get a webcam, I strongly wish to debate with such an intelligent man as you, but today I have a question for you, not so much for debate purposes, but for the catholic perspective. What is/was the deal with indulgences?
goodjob bro. I never once felt that the bible condemned drinking to the point that its a very sinful deed its just in the way we may use it thats sinful after all the bible says dont be lazy and sitting down watching T.V. and nothing else is laziness and thats wrong
@jakhannew do Muslims believe that Jesus drank alcohol? Because Muslims believe that Jesus was sinless, and he drank wine (and even created it miraculously for others to drink), so...
Or is this a case where they will say that Jesus became a teetotaler only after Muhammad revealed the Quran and THEN it became a sin?
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ever heard of non-alcoholic wine? non alcoholic beer, like Busch NA? everyone seems to be so smart to ASSume that alcohol is in the wine that the bible talks about. forget that though, i'm not here to advocate against alcohol, i'm here to ask about marijuana (cannabis). why is that illegal? why can't we legalize the HERB BEARING SEED mentioned in Genesis. its a plant never touched by man. zero deaths too btw
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MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
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MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
Dosen't Proverbs 20:1 say "Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise"?
HyperNessie 1 year ago
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HyperNessie 2 years ago
This makes alot more sense then what I have been told.
tacocrazychihuahua 3 years ago
Funny how people use certain versus of the Bible as permission for getting plastered.
napone0 3 years ago
Anyone that does that is a moron.
The most of us are just standing in opposition that those who have no qualm manipulating scripture to create a sin out of something that they find culturally (read: not scripturally) offensive.
brenwilliams 3 years ago
For reals....LOL!!!!! It's like they deliberately seek out those verses to justify their thirst for the poison.
geedup415 2 years ago
Yeah, again, those people are morons. As are those who purposefully manipulate scripture to "prove" that Christians may not drink in moderation.
BTW, alcohol is no more a "poison" than any of the other simple sugars that now plague our diets. In fact our bodies make it naturally.
brenwilliams 2 years ago
@brenwilliams Some of them are morons....but what discourages me is that many of them are simply dishonest. Those that I have known who say Christians cannot drink are Baptists. They claim Sola Scriptura and that the Bible is the final authority....but when it comes down to it their extrabiblial beliefs trump what the Bible says and they bend the scriptures to say what they want. It makes me wonder how many other areas they do this same thing. In summary...the Bible is not their authority
prairiemark 8 months ago
@napone0 the most natural exegesis would be that the bible permits alcohol (except those who have taken a specific vow against it) but prohibits drunkenness. sure, a person could argue that the bible promotes drunkenness, or that it promotes total abstinence. the question is, if you take one of the latter two positions, how do you avoid the conclusion that the bible is contradictory to itself (and thus lose the traditional understanding of "inerrancy" or divine inspiration)?
XSC3 1 year ago
Good video.
Many preachers like to pretend that the writers of the Bible
had such limited vocabularies
that they had only one word to use
to describe all the products of a grape vine.
This is not the case.
See the requirements of a Nazarite vow
in Numbers chapter six:
"He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried."
shas1814 3 years ago
Here are a couple more points to consider:
1- Jesus made, drank, and distributed wine.
2- Nothing that enters the mouth can defile a man.
3- God commanded the Jews to use their tithes
to have a big party every year
and to buy "strong drink" to take to the party.
shas1814 3 years ago
I am a protestant, and once I get a webcam, I strongly wish to debate with such an intelligent man as you, but today I have a question for you, not so much for debate purposes, but for the catholic perspective. What is/was the deal with indulgences?
AMightyRoar 3 years ago
nice job. Calvin himself called wine a "gift from God" but like all good gifts, he said that it too can be abused.
prchdaword 3 years ago
goodjob bro. I never once felt that the bible condemned drinking to the point that its a very sinful deed its just in the way we may use it thats sinful after all the bible says dont be lazy and sitting down watching T.V. and nothing else is laziness and thats wrong
mgk22 3 years ago
It is an interesting discussion.
Interestingly Quran has the following to say about wine.
002.219 They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit."
Al-Qur'an, 002.219 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])
jakhannew 2 years ago
@jakhannew do Muslims believe that Jesus drank alcohol? Because Muslims believe that Jesus was sinless, and he drank wine (and even created it miraculously for others to drink), so...
Or is this a case where they will say that Jesus became a teetotaler only after Muhammad revealed the Quran and THEN it became a sin?
XSC3 1 year ago