Chris, when he's playing Nefertiti, seems to be related to Foley's line in that he interprets it in 3, meaning that every time it repeats, Foley's downbeat would be on a different triplet than Dave's downbeat because the line is written in 4. Sound right?
The key is keeping time and always knowing where the 1 is. If you tap your foot it helps to keep time.... that way it makes sense. Chris Dave is unique with his style and you can't take anything from it. He is just elevated to another level which most musicians aren't on yet
I used to like stuff like this but it just doesnt really groove at all. Whenever players have to ignore eachother to keep these polyrhythms going is when the music stops grooving and its just 3 people playing at the same time.
@imakery Doesn't groove at all? WTF? I guess I kinda see what you mean with the bassist. Check out the Chris Dave & Friends at New Morning in Paris; there is definitely grooving going on there.
@imakery The thing is they can't ignore each other! they would not be able to play that if they did. at least chris dave and Foley. the sax could just follow chris but I'm sure he doesn't. they are feeling all the time feels at the same time. Foley is totally keeping his hip hop time while feeling the swinging time of nefertiti. they would easily be lost if they didn't stay on top of that. It's a demonstration of time. interesting music comes out of that.it may be hard to accept though.
@whosOHW I wonder about that....I think too many great players have said that in order for something like this to work, the bass player would need to ignore Dave. It's an interesting thought and I'd love to know their process as they play this.
i get how difficult it is to play in two completely different times like that but its extremely difficult to listen to... the bassline is legit... RIP Dilla
The real thing is to play your maths as it was from your feel! If you can do that, you got a chance to be the next "chrisdaddy" of your instrument! Hahaha
opps correction they should line up every 4 bars..
anyways, my comment got posted by accident.. but my point is, the metric modulation itself isn't innovative per-se, I am sure a really good rhythm section can switch between those two times in a solo or something, but but the way they play two tunes simultaneously using that metric modulation is very innovative.
@sweetoldetc there is nothing wrong come up with maths to explain what is going on..and as i said before explanation isn't hearing or playing it..explanation is description of something.im saying these for those who think it isn't a related time it's just about "feeling"..
my answer to your analysis is correct every 4 bars their first down beat matches..but sax's time plays for 3 bars aganist bass's 4 bars.
jzzart at 68 now , the music has change since the 60, but tony,s ideas has not only concepts....... the music was ahead of time then and still is to day and so is the drumming , keep it up dave . inprovizing is what made bebop and swinging is funk
@Isai7772006 What the heck is you talkin about? If it weren't for the sax part we'd have know way of knowing that this was "Nefertiti". Chris is the one who signaled him in.
@cssource I think you're right. Went through this 10 times to confirm. It's a displacement. That's why it's such a mega headache. Because it's the same speed just displaced. But gives the feeling of metric modulation. Haha brilliant
is he using nothing but snare drums and bongos here? I read about him doing something to this effect but I can't tell if that's what's going on here or not.
@crustandcrumb thats the beauty of it. He keeps the beat while Chris and the sax go on a tangent. The Bass player is the foundation. If you were a musician u would understand.
As a bassist, I would LOVE to practice to this with the bass dropped out. I guess I'll have to try and EQ it out! No disrespect to Foley though, the man is solid oak. :D
(continued) Also, I'm pretty sure that Chris isn't counting out subdivisions while he plays this, but I'm POSITIVE that it took a lot of careful counting and understanding for him to develop a rhythmic vocabulary that plays with the pulse like this. It would be extremely difficult to just FEEEEL this and understand how it all relates. Obviously the goal is to be able to just go by feel, but all you naive hippies sound like asses when you say that these people ignore the math involved.
@bend222 I totally agree. I don't see why so many people are against the discipline/shedding aspect of music, as if everything should just come to you naturally by feeling. If you just rely on feeling, chances are you are going to rush, and if you don't have the chops to play different subdivisions evenly&you can't control your accents you are going to to sound out of time(in a bad way). As far as I know 99% of musicians had to work hard to be able to do these things naturally.
To dispel any confusion: All of the elements in this song are following the same pulse. There is no "separation of ideas." The reason that it feels strange is because the bassist is playing a 16th note feel while the drums and sax are playing triplets (mostly). The tricky part is that Chris likes to accent the second or third partial of the triplet, making it more difficult to see how it all lines up.
No lie, I was trying to figure out what the hell they were doing for hours; I just couldn't fit the bass, drums and alto together to hear the complete song. However, I played it again while I was drawing last night, and it all made sense. Everything fits perfectly. But now I'm struggling to hear what I only heard once, out of the couple o hundred times I've played this recording. . . this is really something else! Wow.
If you close your eyes, let the music drive you, you'll know what they play. No need explanation like 3 over 4 over 5 twisted with the sum of what each player plays. Subdivisions... that's it !
haha yea, that's what he said in an interview i read. this music makes more sense when you know what they're doing.. in stead of guessing why he's changing to what time signature. SIMPLY: Tey're playing 2 songs at once. This is a hybrid song haha.
@ibarnettdrums he has like 3-4 pages of being interviewed in the new modern drummer magazine.. one of those.. i was at borders going through drum magazines and found an great interview article on him.. just go to a book store magazine rack and check out the new drumming magazines cause i don't remember which one exactly, but probably modern drummer's current issue. good luck finding it, he had a lot of great knowledge to share.
for those who asks what time modulation he made here is my answer..
there is double modulation for the sax part..first he groups the bass line part's triplets by 4 and then you have new quarter pulse which is 4 triplet beats long.then he plays swing beat to this new down beat so the modulation is :
4over3+subdivision3
i dont know this is the exact analization of it..i just hear it.everyone gets sick when he goes back and forth the bassline time to sax time and many modulations of them..
So I guess in that sense, they should be hitting the one at the same time every 2 bars in bassist's time, which is equivalent of 3 measures in swing time for the horn??
For me I think this is still a extension of what Miles is doing. I know Herbie and Tony does a lot of stuff accenting 4 triplets(check out "All of You" from the my "funny valentine" album)
Never before had I thought of comparing Chris Dave to Dennis Chambers (even though they are two of my 3 most favorite drummers) ... but listening to both of them solo over an ostinato, how can I not? Of course they both have their own style, but I can definitely see similarities in the approach.
False. Chris Dave counts, and thats how me makes him own licks. His mind is a calculator of beats. Nothing is achieved by not counting and thinking beyond what you hear/feel(sense). The time they are playing in may be loosely structured, but the thought behind what is being played and when is outrageous.
There is serious math going on in his head. He knows the music, and obviously knows the melodies. He "feels" when he follows melodies, but he his indeed counting.
anyone kind enough to kind of break down chris dave steps? like he is accenting all 3s or he is playing in double time or playing 3 times the tempo the band is playing.. stuff like that?
if anyone understands note value and the space between notes then you can clearly hear the genius behind where Chris is playing meter and doing open soloing and hitting accents between the bass notes and the sax when all three are playing, all three musicians showing great ability wether through chops ( chris dave ) choice notes ( sax player ) or patience in playing ( foley ). this video was unreal thanks whoever posted this.
Do you think this is implied time or just two completely separate thoughts? I'm trying to hear if the bassline sounds like a defined rhythm over the nerfetiti head but I'm not hearing anything.
The Bassist is the one and only Foley. Credits include: Miles Davis, oh I think that says it all. He is impeccable on the bass. Also has played with George Clinton and various other artist.
oh my god! This is insane!! I'm almost equally impressed by the bassist as i am by Chris. I mean, this is a really good quality video and you can just hear how clean and deliberate Chris is and his chops are unheard of... but the bass player!!! He didn't budge!! He held down that same groove for the entire song even with Chris' super confusing time related stuff..... damn. I think there's a jam on Tues.'s in NY that Chris and a bunch of other phenomenal guys play at, I want to go soo bad!
For everyone's information, the sax player here was a last minute stand in for the guitarist who was scheduled to play with them (who was in fact a replacement for someone ELSE) so don't be too harsh in judging his role in the trio. He only had a matter of minutes/hours before the concert to practice with Chris & Foley, so this is actually pretty impressive.
phrase of the week for mr jazzcombo251... Implied Time...
its like metric modulation but you don't leave the original time frame... its kinda complicated, well not really a complicated concept but i think you can be sure that to do it as well as mr. dave... takes a little skill :D
Man... I've heard plenty of drummers who take grooves and pass through time like this, but Dave really lays into it... he really is in control over which part of the beat he's playing off of, and it's hard to tell while listening the first time through. Any drummer called Daddy, or Papa has always started something.
Chris, when he's playing Nefertiti, seems to be related to Foley's line in that he interprets it in 3, meaning that every time it repeats, Foley's downbeat would be on a different triplet than Dave's downbeat because the line is written in 4. Sound right?
penyalius 2 weeks ago
Chris Dave as the new drummer for The Dillinger Escape Plan!!! One you hope!!!
faffa5 2 weeks ago
Daddy Dave is trying to fuck marsellus wallace like a bitch!
timebom222 1 month ago 3
6:05!
jumpjustin 1 month ago
dont judge it until you listen to the whole thing, thats the worst habit you can pick up when listening to music is not listening to a full song
cyrusjerome 3 months ago 2
@cyrusjerome ... awesome advice , i was about to click out of this tune ... i will watch the whole thing and judge then
sweetfly66 2 days ago
Chris Daddy Dave is by far my most favourite drummer..
nice dry snares and cymbals
ZionAfuang 4 months ago
Chris Dave and Talib Kweli look like they could be cousins
TheRealeconomics 4 months ago
also great filmography.
ycfightingirish1 4 months ago
THIS SONG MAKES YOU GO AHH
ycfightingirish1 4 months ago
The key is keeping time and always knowing where the 1 is. If you tap your foot it helps to keep time.... that way it makes sense. Chris Dave is unique with his style and you can't take anything from it. He is just elevated to another level which most musicians aren't on yet
CTerryMemphisDrummer 5 months ago
I wonder what Wayne thinks of this?I'll bet he is proud.
Guitfiddlejase 6 months ago
wow
nadirsharav 6 months ago
I used to like stuff like this but it just doesnt really groove at all. Whenever players have to ignore eachother to keep these polyrhythms going is when the music stops grooving and its just 3 people playing at the same time.
imakery 7 months ago
@imakery Doesn't groove at all? WTF? I guess I kinda see what you mean with the bassist. Check out the Chris Dave & Friends at New Morning in Paris; there is definitely grooving going on there.
bassbiff 7 months ago
@bassbiff I love Chris Dave, I just don't like this. Chris Dave grooves to fuck, but this is just too much.
imakery 7 months ago
@imakery The thing is they can't ignore each other! they would not be able to play that if they did. at least chris dave and Foley. the sax could just follow chris but I'm sure he doesn't. they are feeling all the time feels at the same time. Foley is totally keeping his hip hop time while feeling the swinging time of nefertiti. they would easily be lost if they didn't stay on top of that. It's a demonstration of time. interesting music comes out of that.it may be hard to accept though.
whosOHW 6 months ago
@whosOHW I wonder about that....I think too many great players have said that in order for something like this to work, the bass player would need to ignore Dave. It's an interesting thought and I'd love to know their process as they play this.
bteniswood 5 months ago
The first 3 mins is just too much for me
bamwow09 7 months ago
i get how difficult it is to play in two completely different times like that but its extremely difficult to listen to... the bassline is legit... RIP Dilla
tdfenix11 7 months ago
Its the bass line from the Pharcyde Tune "She Said" Dilla remix.
johnnylawrence23 8 months ago
Cool.. Dilla/Shorter.
johnnylawrence23 8 months ago
@johnnylawrence23 Dilla? You referring to the bass line? What song, please.
gotmeagrape 8 months ago
Lol around 6:20 to the untrained eye it looks like chris daddy is fuckin with Foley
gotmeagrape 8 months ago
I really want Foley's hoodie
CaptCinnabon 8 months ago
bassy just looses it at 3:03 hehe great playing tho! (Y)
uknwuwantme 9 months ago
FOLEY PASSED THE TEST!!!!
pdstix78 9 months ago 2
Foley is right there the whole time....Any Joe Schmoe would need GPS to find the 1 playing with CDD...
pdstix78 9 months ago
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GishEagle 9 months ago
6:00 sick
vorsybl 10 months ago
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vorsybl 10 months ago
The real thing is to play your maths as it was from your feel! If you can do that, you got a chance to be the next "chrisdaddy" of your instrument! Hahaha
perfectmelon 10 months ago
is this the chris dave from tony grey?
vorsybl 10 months ago
@vorsybl Yes sir he is.
snakethethief 10 months ago
@snakethethief thx
vorsybl 10 months ago
@vorsybl You welcome sir. I believe he plays on track 1, 3, 5, and 7, while Ronald Bruner Jr.(not sure) plays on the remaining tracks.
snakethethief 10 months ago
Foley!
I saw him with Miles and he flipped the audience off.
Luvit.
DaLuntz 1 year ago
8:52 - Foley's look gives me te creeps...
Mewsinghan 1 year ago
Now I feel good about me not being able to count when j play drums
eatrocksah 1 year ago
thank god i'm not the one having to hold that bass riff. he was on his balls the whole time. see the sweat running from his face.
orangeandhoney 1 year ago
opps correction they should line up every 4 bars..
anyways, my comment got posted by accident.. but my point is, the metric modulation itself isn't innovative per-se, I am sure a really good rhythm section can switch between those two times in a solo or something, but but the way they play two tunes simultaneously using that metric modulation is very innovative.
sweetoldetc 1 year ago
@sweetoldetc there is nothing wrong come up with maths to explain what is going on..and as i said before explanation isn't hearing or playing it..explanation is description of something.im saying these for those who think it isn't a related time it's just about "feeling"..
my answer to your analysis is correct every 4 bars their first down beat matches..but sax's time plays for 3 bars aganist bass's 4 bars.
tw101abi 1 year ago
Bassline -- Pharcyde - "She Said" - J Dilla Remix
shawoody 1 year ago
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shawoody 1 year ago
Chris Dave is insane on the drums
3000ljordan 1 year ago
That's the Dilla beat for She Said by the Pharcyde at the beginning and the bass line throughout.
duemanranch 1 year ago
damn, he musta lost like 10 pounds of water weight that night.
shankpeterman 1 year ago 2
This is simply off da hook. Where do I buy music by this trio?
sixelatelop 1 year ago 2
Chris Daddy Dave and the bands he plays wit is PURE music. So original, authentic and out of this world. THIS IS MUSIC at its finest!
theprophet86 1 year ago
@theprophet86 This is great. It reminds me of the music that you would hear in the movie Love Jones.
crimjqt83 1 year ago
" Chris Dave got ALL of the so-called "hot drummers" re-thinking their shit !!! " Foley
Fjord76 1 year ago
cant hear bass at all
xSNOWYJOEx 1 year ago
@xSNOWYJOEx prob got shitty speakers eh
much2unkfay 1 year ago
@much2unkfay Prob
xSNOWYJOEx 1 year ago
why is that fool wearin a sweater and gonna sweat like that? take it off.
- unless its the concentration makin him sweat like that. killer
tsaxjazz 1 year ago
@tsaxjazz Lol, How can anyone hate on Foley & his hoodie ?
MUST be bassplayers. have you ever been to London in the middle of winter ?
it's not the bahamas dude.
Falsesetto 1 year ago
the pharcyde - she said (remix) ... jay dee
much2unkfay 1 year ago
marsellus wallace on bass for the win
duckylifeguard 1 year ago 11
@duckylifeguard Please, you must be smoking that glass pipe.Lol
Falsesetto 1 year ago
@quicktolisten Composed by the great Wayne Shorter.
oRuTRa45 1 year ago
I would say Chris Dave is not human...so crazy!
Anywhereigo 1 year ago
They Sold Their Souls For Rock And Roll
/watch?v=2OyP4ETNygo
/watch?v=laruFiU8uqg
/watch?v=uCHLeRVnomU
ILOVEYOURWAY1 1 year ago
Is there a DVD of this?
DrShrinker 1 year ago
jzzart at 68 now , the music has change since the 60, but tony,s ideas has not only concepts....... the music was ahead of time then and still is to day and so is the drumming , keep it up dave . inprovizing is what made bebop and swinging is funk
jzzarty 1 year ago
this mans foot is sick...he doesnt need a double base....
jay4457 1 year ago
you go bass player ........ cause I know I couldn't. I would be lost then a bitch.......
kaboomldl07 1 year ago 4
shutup sax guy,let dave do his thaanngg!!
Isai7772006 1 year ago
@Isai7772006 What the heck is you talkin about? If it weren't for the sax part we'd have know way of knowing that this was "Nefertiti". Chris is the one who signaled him in.
oRuTRa45 1 year ago
Chris might be incredible, but the fact the bass doesn't move the whole time is even more amazing.
protorobsmos 1 year ago 20
@protorobsmos Hell yea! Foley FTW
mackyouaccount 1 year ago
@protorobsmos I wondering how he kept on that four count......it is sick
jay4457 1 year ago
@jay4457 not a four count
5/4
dimsim49 1 year ago
@protorobsmos RIGHT ON
eutuxiaMJ 5 months ago
@cssource man that just straight warps my brain
tajto 1 year ago
@tajto yeah totally ridiculous, i could listen to this song for hours just trying to analyze it
cssource 1 year ago
oh shit i think i've got it. on the head zhenya and chris are playing 4 over every 6 of foley's beats. maybe. that's INSANE
tajto 1 year ago
@tajto actually its seems as though chris is just moves the pulse to the upbeat instead of the downbeat aka starting his beat on the "&" of 1
cssource 1 year ago
@cssource I think you're right. Went through this 10 times to confirm. It's a displacement. That's why it's such a mega headache. Because it's the same speed just displaced. But gives the feeling of metric modulation. Haha brilliant
crazyguy106 1 year ago
can anyone figure out the technical rhythmic thing that's going on here? i can hear and feel it but can't define it.
tajto 1 year ago
MAN...are you serious??? daddy is unreal
B2thaRI 1 year ago
Is that HUB from the roots on bass? plays just like him.
vinnienickoloff90 1 year ago
@vinnienickoloff90 foley i think he played for miles davis or somebody at one point
wagglemonkey 1 year ago
@vinnienickoloff90 Um, I doubt that VERY seriously Lol
Falsesetto 1 year ago
Possibly very clever. Definitely very unpleasant.
Drumstoo 1 year ago
these dudes are on some other shit.
fooloof 1 year ago
It takes talent for a bass player to do what he did.
Ihatelittlefagkids 1 year ago 3
is he using nothing but snare drums and bongos here? I read about him doing something to this effect but I can't tell if that's what's going on here or not.
YEAHbrother112 1 year ago
@YEAHbrother112 Yeah. That's exactly whatt he played.
mu51cman3 1 year ago
is this a dvd ? how can we purchase it ?
bulldoggirlinpa 1 year ago
i could imagine a rapper over this
namkooc 1 year ago
The person on the sax, is that a man or a woman?
DarkHalo08 1 year ago
@DarkHalo08 yeah that's a dude, his name's zhenya strigalev
tajto 1 year ago
at 3:17, the crowd cheers at something they can finally comprehend. haha
cssource 1 year ago
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drumsandivory 1 year ago
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drumsandivory 1 year ago
so are those 2 16 inch crashes for hihats?
drumsandivory 1 year ago
@drumsandivory Not only are they 16" crashes, they're O-Zone Evolution crashes as far as I can tell, which are mean motherfuckers!
bkchickfarmer91 1 year ago
@bkchickfarmer91 Oh no, just the one!
bkchickfarmer91 1 year ago
@bkchickfarmer91 haha both of em? i'd think that you'd want a different bottom one.
drumsandivory 1 year ago
I love this kind of music... Only played by, understood by, and listen too by geniuses!!!
fogg787 1 year ago
watching this really inspires/deters me from ever playing again haha. just monstrous grooves.
cssource 1 year ago
J DILLA I KNEW IT
BRaNSHAVIA 1 year ago
Dave has 2 extra hands, 1 extra foot, and 2 brains. Scientifically proven!!
sprintd1 1 year ago 46
@sprintd1 ...he's got mainly musicality...
memzehni 1 year ago
i love chris dave and now i love this group! thank you for the inspiration
dt5741 2 years ago
Christ. Next time just LOOP the fucking bass part. Poor guy.
But yeah, love the modulation happening here. Chris Dave is super heavy.
crustandcrumb 2 years ago 25
@crustandcrumb whoa! Are you fuckin kiddin me dude, Thats FOLEY!!!!!!! Google him and then poor guy yourself.
kothakilla 1 year ago 2
@kothakilla I think you may have misunderstood my comment...
crustandcrumb 1 year ago
@crustandcrumb thats the beauty of it. He keeps the beat while Chris and the sax go on a tangent. The Bass player is the foundation. If you were a musician u would understand.
theprophet86 1 year ago
it bothers me how the sax player stands, but Foley and daddy dave fucking rock :)
coollikeapool 2 years ago
must be helluva bassist to keep up
i0nskye 2 years ago 8
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I'm not a drummer but it seems to me at times he's not on the same page with the bass player.
DarkHalo08 2 years ago
@DarkHalo08 He's definitely on the same page!
Coltranized 2 years ago 2
@DarkHalo08 thats just the 'feel' of how they are playing it
tbruchey 2 years ago
I just heard about him in Modern Drummer. Inspiring.
kre36 2 years ago
Chris is sooooo blazed lol
lilvicfirth 2 years ago 3
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slkypt 2 years ago
As a bassist, I would LOVE to practice to this with the bass dropped out. I guess I'll have to try and EQ it out! No disrespect to Foley though, the man is solid oak. :D
DaveDaranjo 2 years ago 2
(continued) Also, I'm pretty sure that Chris isn't counting out subdivisions while he plays this, but I'm POSITIVE that it took a lot of careful counting and understanding for him to develop a rhythmic vocabulary that plays with the pulse like this. It would be extremely difficult to just FEEEEL this and understand how it all relates. Obviously the goal is to be able to just go by feel, but all you naive hippies sound like asses when you say that these people ignore the math involved.
bend222 2 years ago 3
@bend222 I totally agree. I don't see why so many people are against the discipline/shedding aspect of music, as if everything should just come to you naturally by feeling. If you just rely on feeling, chances are you are going to rush, and if you don't have the chops to play different subdivisions evenly&you can't control your accents you are going to to sound out of time(in a bad way). As far as I know 99% of musicians had to work hard to be able to do these things naturally.
sweetoldetc 1 year ago 2
@bend222
dude, its like, all feel man no counting and stuff.
PositivelyBored 1 year ago
To dispel any confusion: All of the elements in this song are following the same pulse. There is no "separation of ideas." The reason that it feels strange is because the bassist is playing a 16th note feel while the drums and sax are playing triplets (mostly). The tricky part is that Chris likes to accent the second or third partial of the triplet, making it more difficult to see how it all lines up.
bend222 2 years ago
exactly.
erikeepper 2 years ago
it is for sure second and third ones that he accents..
there is 4 over 3 for sure..and for sure you can say it is Rll lRl llR lll for the accents..same thing different explanation..
math is for understanding it is not for playing im totally with you..but for the beginning math can explain much :)..
tw101abi 1 year ago
for a drummer it's easy to understand where he goes at 1:30. Such a cool idea and great timekeeping.
erikeepper 2 years ago
I play drums, and I don't find that easy at all. I'm sure many more drummers would agree lol :P
FaithIsAccidental 2 years ago 2
No lie, I was trying to figure out what the hell they were doing for hours; I just couldn't fit the bass, drums and alto together to hear the complete song. However, I played it again while I was drawing last night, and it all made sense. Everything fits perfectly. But now I'm struggling to hear what I only heard once, out of the couple o hundred times I've played this recording. . . this is really something else! Wow.
Coltranized 2 years ago
If you close your eyes, let the music drive you, you'll know what they play. No need explanation like 3 over 4 over 5 twisted with the sum of what each player plays. Subdivisions... that's it !
rohnan2010 2 years ago
There are two different rhythms being played here. It's not complicated. He's just going between the two, always coming in on the "1".
jermiahhogan 2 years ago
haha yea, that's what he said in an interview i read. this music makes more sense when you know what they're doing.. in stead of guessing why he's changing to what time signature. SIMPLY: Tey're playing 2 songs at once. This is a hybrid song haha.
xleeca 2 years ago
What interview is that? I have a hard time finding any interviews with him
ibarnettdrums 2 years ago
@ibarnettdrums he has like 3-4 pages of being interviewed in the new modern drummer magazine.. one of those.. i was at borders going through drum magazines and found an great interview article on him.. just go to a book store magazine rack and check out the new drumming magazines cause i don't remember which one exactly, but probably modern drummer's current issue. good luck finding it, he had a lot of great knowledge to share.
xleeca 2 years ago
@ibarnettdrums its modern drummer either novemeber or dencember issue im not sure
ilikememusic 2 years ago
modern drummer february 2010
winnerbaby44 2 years ago 2
I wanted to throw up
that's how good it was...
These guys are gods
baiken22 2 years ago 3
hypnotic
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kennethb214 2 years ago
I was there!!!!!
The guy on sax was a last minute stand-in and done really well considering.
ISBAILEYDEADYET 2 years ago 2
for those who asks what time modulation he made here is my answer..
there is double modulation for the sax part..first he groups the bass line part's triplets by 4 and then you have new quarter pulse which is 4 triplet beats long.then he plays swing beat to this new down beat so the modulation is :
4over3+subdivision3
i dont know this is the exact analization of it..i just hear it.everyone gets sick when he goes back and forth the bassline time to sax time and many modulations of them..
tw101abi 2 years ago
@tw101abi
So I guess in that sense, they should be hitting the one at the same time every 2 bars in bassist's time, which is equivalent of 3 measures in swing time for the horn??
For me I think this is still a extension of what Miles is doing. I know Herbie and Tony does a lot of stuff accenting 4 triplets(check out "All of You" from the my "funny valentine" album)
sweetoldetc 1 year ago
check the original by Miles Davis
computerhacksaw 2 years ago 2
Never before had I thought of comparing Chris Dave to Dennis Chambers (even though they are two of my 3 most favorite drummers) ... but listening to both of them solo over an ostinato, how can I not? Of course they both have their own style, but I can definitely see similarities in the approach.
rockin982 2 years ago
Brother's trust me they are NOT counting.. it's a feeling Chris Dave plays colors and emotions.. DO NOT COUNT. FEEL!!!
RDCureton2009 2 years ago 7
False. Chris Dave counts, and thats how me makes him own licks. His mind is a calculator of beats. Nothing is achieved by not counting and thinking beyond what you hear/feel(sense). The time they are playing in may be loosely structured, but the thought behind what is being played and when is outrageous.
There is serious math going on in his head. He knows the music, and obviously knows the melodies. He "feels" when he follows melodies, but he his indeed counting.
bareftjacky 2 years ago 2
He said something to that effect himself.
DrShrinker 2 years ago 2
who?
I was commenting to a post that said something about being on drugs and not counting lol
bareftjacky 2 years ago
Chris Dave. So I was basically backing up what you said.
DrShrinker 2 years ago 2
oh , excellent!
bareftjacky 2 years ago 2
Man, They are BOTH from another Planet!!
Falsesetto 2 years ago 2
nooooooooooo. way CHRIS DAVE IS A BEAAAST
nathanbossoh 2 years ago 2
man they gotta on some drug nobody knows about.. they killin the groove 2 hard..lol
daymc10 2 years ago
anyone kind enough to kind of break down chris dave steps? like he is accenting all 3s or he is playing in double time or playing 3 times the tempo the band is playing.. stuff like that?
that would be very nice
winnerbaby44 2 years ago
That is some SERIOUS math!
tim481 2 years ago 3
if anyone understands note value and the space between notes then you can clearly hear the genius behind where Chris is playing meter and doing open soloing and hitting accents between the bass notes and the sax when all three are playing, all three musicians showing great ability wether through chops ( chris dave ) choice notes ( sax player ) or patience in playing ( foley ). this video was unreal thanks whoever posted this.
ramo619 2 years ago 2
Do you think this is implied time or just two completely separate thoughts? I'm trying to hear if the bassline sounds like a defined rhythm over the nerfetiti head but I'm not hearing anything.
rfdrummer05 2 years ago
It's definitely not separate thoughts, he's probably doing metric modulation
menteencoma 2 years ago
its a 2 bar phrase repeat. so as long as you know to keep correct time, you do any random beat and that lands on 2 or 4 and it will work.
cresentman 2 years ago
The Bassist is the one and only Foley. Credits include: Miles Davis, oh I think that says it all. He is impeccable on the bass. Also has played with George Clinton and various other artist.
martydye40 2 years ago
That explains it. This is crazy fun to watch!
holygroove2 2 years ago
oh my god! This is insane!! I'm almost equally impressed by the bassist as i am by Chris. I mean, this is a really good quality video and you can just hear how clean and deliberate Chris is and his chops are unheard of... but the bass player!!! He didn't budge!! He held down that same groove for the entire song even with Chris' super confusing time related stuff..... damn. I think there's a jam on Tues.'s in NY that Chris and a bunch of other phenomenal guys play at, I want to go soo bad!
sfsmike 2 years ago
For everyone's information, the sax player here was a last minute stand in for the guitarist who was scheduled to play with them (who was in fact a replacement for someone ELSE) so don't be too harsh in judging his role in the trio. He only had a matter of minutes/hours before the concert to practice with Chris & Foley, so this is actually pretty impressive.
SiveyBeats 2 years ago
What?? you really like this? i don't want to sound like an old school nerd but try to listen to original...
Gandalfstyle 2 years ago
You sound like an old school nerd
SiveyBeats 2 years ago
haha...i am not...but if you like it...good for you dude, enjoy!
Gandalfstyle 2 years ago
I forgive you for taking my comment in good humour
SiveyBeats 2 years ago
wow amazing drumming
THEFARSEER2 2 years ago
phrase of the week for mr jazzcombo251... Implied Time...
its like metric modulation but you don't leave the original time frame... its kinda complicated, well not really a complicated concept but i think you can be sure that to do it as well as mr. dave... takes a little skill :D
smackbat 2 years ago
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rfdrummer05 2 years ago
now THAT drummer would leave mr Tony Williams proud
winnerbaby44 2 years ago 2
Man... I've heard plenty of drummers who take grooves and pass through time like this, but Dave really lays into it... he really is in control over which part of the beat he's playing off of, and it's hard to tell while listening the first time through. Any drummer called Daddy, or Papa has always started something.
holygroove2 2 years ago 2
this sax player ruiiiiiiiins this grooove. its horrible.
jazzcombo251 2 years ago
Why do say that? Is it his tone, or what?
Do you hear that there are two different things going on simultaneously?
Why do you say he ruins the groove? He's playing with Chris...
holygroove2 2 years ago