I'm appalled at the negative and ignorant comments I've found here. Only speaking for myself, and having no idea where the negative comments originate, I can only say that this song has been a beautiful inspiration to me for years. The music and video capture profoundly the role of Jesus Christ in our lives as Lord and Savior! :)
Oh, and when Jesus says "I am with you all days, even unto the end of the age", He is with us all days, even unto the end of the age. With us really and truly - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. Just as Isaiah had prophesied, "His name shall be Emmanuel" (which means "God with us".)
How simple! How wonderful! How worthy of the authentic Christian assent of faith!
500 yrs ago Luther's was "faith alone", yet he accepted most - if not all - of the other RCC doctrine.
Now we have those who deny the trinity, reject -> baptism, perpetual virginity of Mary, Real Presence, confession, divinity of Jesus, autonomy of the HS, CC's role in NT canon, Peter in Rome and that office's primacy(among others that are required for their other heresies to even be plausible).. What's next?
Next? The revelation of the (real) thoughts of many hearts.
Putting paid to the patently shallow lies which the un-faithful propagate for their own ungodly motives, touting their claimed superior (no, make that "infallible") personal understanding of sacred scripture. After all, every lie has to borrow a little from the truth to even be plausible in the first place. Eventually, thankfully, The Truth (Who is Christ Himself) prevails.
@BlasphemousMass as Catholics, we prefer not to read gossip, especially the kind that you believe teaches gossip though comic books, and then pretends that this is real bible study....
And how did they determine it was Peter's grave? Because it had the notation "Simon bar Jonah".
Two problems with that:
1) "Simon [son of] Jonah" Extremely common names in that era and locale. That would be like finding a grave stone with the inscription "John Smith" in America.
2) Don't you recall Jesus changed his name to "Peter"? Did Peter and his brethren spit in the face of Jesus by rejecting his Christ given name?
As for Excatholics, don't they have a North Irish accent???
And Berean is ran by an ex priest. One should try to determine what (or who) could possess a former priest, who went thru 4-8 years of seminary, supposedly to learn all about the faith prior to taking the vows, to suddenly "see the light" and become so venomous toward the institution he formerly had thought enough of to spend years learning to serve.
The priest does not believe that HE can change the bread and wine into the real presence of Christ, but he does believe that a mysterious transformation takes place that God Himself does. Those are very different concepts.
"What is the standard that you use to be clear that you are not decieved yourself?" 2
Even your Jn6, Jesus states “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”. You see evil in the RCC and yet Jesus made an unbeliever and a devil one of his dicsiples.
Perhaps you need a new pair of glasses (paradigm shift) when you look at the RCC. Are you only asking questions because you do not know the answers or is there another reason?
This doctrine of the Eucharist was first dogmatized at the 4th Lateran Council in 1215. Some church fathers believed in a literal take on Jn 6 and some saw it as a memorial. God is Spirit and I am very uncomfortable with making him into a material object and calling that object God. Know what I mean? How does Catholicism know to a certainty that Jn 6 is not just a metaphor for a deeper meaning? Something Jesus did very frequently. All the best.
@MrChristianBeliever , good answer... faith is everything....how many times did Jesus say in the bible, "Your faith has saved you"...? Your right, faith is required...
Steve, wouldn't you agree that there are so many who seem to thrive on questioning or attacking the Catholic church? I don't see these folks as being very Christian. I hope MrHoopler is just asking rather than attacking.
I still love the songs you have avaliable. Listening at least weekly. Keep posting them.
@MrChristianBeliever Steve Silva produces a great number of competent videos advocating his belief system and his church. He leaves commentary open. Why not expect Qs? Do you regard Qs as attacks? Protestantism is shot through with false teachers and movements. What is the standard that you use to be clear that you are not decieved yourself? BTW, we are answering Qs with more Qs and that is what Jesus did constantly did he not? What's the problem?
"Great question. Do you know for certain that Jn6 is not a just a metaphor and that Catholicism or the Roman Catholic Church is not guided by the HS?"
Yes, based on the verses following v.53 when Jesus says the flesh counts for nothing and that it is the Spirit that gives life. In context, Jesus was being followed by sign seekers and a crowd looking for free food. Nothing like the thought of cannabalism to separate true believers from hanger-ons.
Seems a straightforward enough statement; just me addressing the subject of objectifing God. Truly seems frightfully close to a violation of the 10 commandments about making and bowing down to material representations of God. I was very surprised at the late date of the dogma as well.Transubstantiation must have been discussed/debated by theologians a great deal. I remember reading that for a time the laity only got the bread
You know for certain that the RCC is not guided by the HS because "the flesh counts for nothing and that it is the Spirit that gives life"?
Amazing how this verse is interpreted by you. I don't read it the same way you do at all. The majority of Christians in the World don't read it the same way you do. Do you believe God made you an infallible interpreter of scripture or do you make a habit of proclaiming infallibility for yourself?
If it is so straight forward, then why did you ask the question "Know what I mean?". I would think that you would not ask that question if there was any doubt in your mind. Clearly you had doubt as to what you stated would be understood.
"Transubstantiation must have been discussed/debated by theologians a great deal."
I am sure it was debated but not by Catholics. The RCC has always taught and believed exactly what Jesus said concerning his Body and Blood. You do not believe Jesus really meant that he is present in Eucharist even though he says it and you insist that others believe you. Is that correct?
"I remember reading that for a time the laity only got the bread"
@MrChristianBeliever I shall have to agree with St Augustine who believed that since Christ sits at the right of God, his physical body couldn't be literally present in the eucharistic sacrament.
As to the period of time when only the laity got the bread, that fact came from church historian Brian Moynahan in his book The Faith, A History of Christianity p.374. .
@MrHoopler Further support that Jesus was speaking metaphorically at Jn 6 regarding the bread and cup, is to read Matt26:27-29. Jesus holds the cup and says "this is my blood of the new testament...." Then in the next verse he says: "I will not drink henceforth of THIS FRUIT OF THE VINE...." (emphasis added). Clear to anyone at the passover he was speaking a metaphor. As he did with the door, good shepherd, sheep and goats, wheat and tares, brood of vipers, sowing the seed etc.
"since Christ sits at the right of God, his physical body couldn't be literally present in the eucharistic sacrament."
Please provide your source saying that St Augustine did not believe Jesus was present in the Eucharist.
"Brian Moynahan in his book The Faith, A History of Christianity p.374"
You place your trust in this man? Are you suggesting that I should place my trust in him as well? What happens when other historians disagree with him?
@MrChristianBeliever St Augustine"s On Christian Doctrine book 3, chapt 16. In the first sentence he talks about when to/not to take the bible literally. He cites the Jn 6 passage directly and he calls it a "figure." You can read it free on line if you search "christian classical ethereal library' It is a great place for study.
As to Monahan, he is a historian and they work hard at being accurate. Well, what are you trusting since you raise the Q?
"Monahan is a historian and they work hard at being accurate. what are you trusting since you raise the Q?"
The RCC has maintained the history of the church and traditions of the Early Church Fathers for 2000 years. I trust that their history and ability to pass on the traditions our Fathers is not only accurate but is maintained by the guidance of the HS as promised by Jesus.
Do you expect me to trust anyone other than Jesus?
"Further support that Jesus was speaking metaphorically...read Matt26:27-29"
This passage does not tell me that he is speaking metaphorically and John 6:53-58 tells me that he is not speaking metaphorically.
Again, I place faith that what ever Jesus tells me is true. Peter lost faith when he was walking on water to him and he fell because of his lack of faith.
You left off the rest "until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom".
@MrHoopler "since Christ sits at the right of God, his physical body couldn't be literally present in the eucharistic sacrament..." Really? Why do you think Jesus presented this command right after the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves of bread and fish?
@stevesilvia Hi Steve. At v 26 He tells the multitude that they are following him around because they got a full meal. When he claimed to have come down from heaven the Jews grumbled and doubted his origins (v41,42). In all likelyhood, he wanted to be with the believers and his disciples. His allusion to eating his flesh had the effect of sending away those that were just hanging on for a freebie. That's just my take on why Jesus used that metaphor. Why do you think he spoke literally?
In Judaism, if a Rabbi was misunderstood - and it became clear to him that he was being misunderstood - he was duty bound to clear up the matter so as not to cause harm or conflict among his students. If he did not, he was no longer respected and was, in fact, classified a "bad man".
Jesus let those who wouldn't accept His "hard teaching" about the Eucharist walk away. He made no attempt to correct their literal understanding of what He was saying.
"Did you know that the church teaches the pope is infallable?" 3
Before you start rambling on about other paragraphs that are incorrect, you might want to go back to your first misunderstanding instead of avoiding it. If you cannot even make this one point clear, it is pointless to continue on to others.
Since you got one paragraph (CCC640) wrong, you surely have no idea what any other paragraph means. You can't just drop this one and move on to others when you are so mistaken.
I specifically stated that you were judging the RCC not me. You claimed that the RCC teaches that we will become a God. That is false.
"do you think Jesus became man so that you might become a god?"
Since I am Catholic and I believe the RCC and the RCC does not teach that we will become a God, you should already know the answer to that question. That is my point.
There is nothing that is false about the RCC teachings.
Again, you have no idea what the RCC teaches and worse you want to prove what you don't know. That is not a Christian behavior. You quote CCC:460 while simultaneously ignoring and refusing to mention CCC:198 - 231. I will save you the time since it is not part of your agenda.
You specifically ignore CCC:200 on purpose: "God is unique; there is only one God". You wish to believe the otherwise and worse you want others to believe it.
""Jesus became man so that we too can become a god" do you think this is biblical?"
If anything, I would think you would question why the RCC teaches that there is only one God. The Mormons teach that they will become Gods as far as I understand.
Can you explain why the RCC teaches that there is only one God when Psalm 82:1,6, Genesis 1:26 say otherwise?
What do you believe given that scripture appears to teach that there are many Gods but the RCC teaches that there is only one?
@MrChristianBeliever Read the whole paragraph and this is what it says, I did not misquote, I am regergitating what your church believes:
"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."
That time you quoted it correctly. You did not previously quote it correctly as I stated. As I also stated, you do not understand it since you think the RCC teaches there is more than one God. If you look at the reference, you will see that this quote, which is not the same as your last, was made by St. Athanasius, De inc. 54, 3: PG 25, 192B.
Instead of looking for reasons to understand this quote, you look for reasons to prove what your heart desires.
You have made it clear that your heart desires to prove that Jesus did not establish his church (The Catholic Church) for the purpose of saving souls and that he cannot guide it with the HS. You wish to believe the RCC teaches that we will be Gods when we die and that is false.
You do not understand this quote and instead of asking how this quote is biblical, you choose to use it as ammunition for arguing which is clearly anti-biblical.
Until you answer these questions with a ligitimate answer that any reasonable person could accept, you are simply proving that your words are not from Christ by attacking the RCC and those who hold to that faith.
Can you explain why the RCC teaches that there is only one God when Psalm 82:1,6, Genesis 1:26 appears to teach that there are many Gods?
Why did you ignore CCC:198 - 231 when you originally misquoted CCC:460? Is that a biblical thing to do as a Christian?
@MrChristianBeliever There is only one God with a big G, but many false gods with a small "g"..Satan is also refferred to as the god of this world in the bible ...2 Corinthians 4:4...your missing my point my friend, here is a simple yes or no question, do you think Jesus became man so that you might become a god?
I have not missed your point. Your point is to convince Catholics that you know what the RCC teaches even though you don't. Your point is to prove that what you believe is the truth and everyone else must believe you or they will not be saved.
When you misquote the CCC, your point is very clear to me. A Christian does not argue about words and does not deliberately misquote documents for proving points of discussion.
You unrightly judge the RCC of teaching that there are many Gods and we will become Gods by ignoring what the RCC actually teaches.
"Do you indeed speak righteousness...Do you judge uprightly" (Psalm 58:1-2)
"with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you" (Matt 7:1-6).
It is better to look for things to commend in others, than for things to condemn. It is uncharitable judgment against which Jesus warns us. Do not look for evil things in others (James 4:12, 1 Cor 4:5).
@MrChristianBeliever Those 2 I pointed out in the catechism are only a few....Did you know that the church teaches the pope is infallable? Peter was supposedly the first pope correct? and he made an error in doctrine teaching that people needed to get circumcised to enter into the covenant with God... read Galatians 2:11-14 " But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed". add me as a friend perhaps we can have a more in depth discussion....Mike
"Those 2 I pointed out in the catechism are only a few"
You only pointed out CCC460 and you did it incorrectly. I reject your understanding of this paragraph. You got it wrong. Your senond paragraph about a mortal sin is also incorrect. What you think is a disagreeing is not what is meant by the RCC. You are batting zero with what the RCC teaches.
"Did you know that the church teaches the pope is infallable?"
Did you know that you don't know what that means? I do.
"add me as a friend perhaps we can have a more in depth discussion....Mike"
I would love to discuss it but you have proven it would be a pointless discussion. You won't even admit that you have misquoted and misunderstood what the CCC says.
You think I am a novice at Catholicism but I am not. When you can make a valid argument, I will listen. You have not answered my questions that a reasonable person could accept. The passages I gave you did not refer only to Satan as you suggested.
The measure you use to judge the RCC is based on a single paragraph in the CCC. When you ignore all other CCC paragraphs that clearify what you condemn, you use a false measure. Scripture says you too will be judged by a false measure because that is how you judge others.
"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matthew 7:2)
@MrChristianBeliever I am not judging you personally my friend, I am trying to point you the false teachings that the catholic church has cleverly concealed such as those 2 catechism verses, did you know its a mortal sin if your in disagreement of those teachings because you are a catholic?? ...I was once a catholic myself until I came to realize the falseness in the church after I've searched and read and prayed for how to truly worship God..
"did you know its a mortal sin if your in disagreement of those teachings because you are a catholic??"
Are you going to misquote another paragraph in the Catechism? I will simply correct your unjust judgements of the RCC. It is not a mortal sin to disagree with the teachings if you do not understand them. You do not understand them.
If you were a Catholic, you were taught incorrectly what the RCC teaches. You stated that the RCC teaches we will become a God and that is false.
@MrChristianBeliever Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me....One God
By the power of the Holy Spirit, the Church has faithfully kept the apostolic faith that there are three Persons in one God. Because the Church Fathers believed that the Logos became flesh, this means that the nature of God and the nature of man are united in one Person. This does not mean that man's nature changes into the nature of God. This means that man can partake in the divine nature of God because we will be like God (2 Peter 1:4, 1 John 3:1-3).
It looks like if the priest is making them to worship the image of the Sun. This is condemned with death in Deuteronomy 17. Remember God does not change.
For those who know not Christ in the Eucharist, I pray for your souls. May our Lords mercy remove the scales from your eyes for this truly is indeed bread from heaven.
"And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it." Exodus 12:8 (Referencing the Passover Lamb)
Heb. 10: 1 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things,"
"Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" John 1:29
"unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you." John 6:53
if we all believe in the Trinity what does it matter how a Catholic worships or how a Baptist worships, or any other churches practices.....God loves all of us. A protestant also receives the body and blood of Christ, just not every Sunday and all the other Holy Days the Catholics participate in. I have been Catholic all my 50 years of life and I have a personal relationship with God, because I ventured out........
All catholic's Written Prayer is Base on the Bible.... I love my Catholic Faith Even the Rosary Prayer is in the Bible. and every Catholic Song is Written in the Bible...
Thanks for your advice. Everyday and as long as I am alive here on earth, I am still growing in faith. There is no way I would say, I am perfect and proclaim myself as better than any body else. May God be with you. :)
Of course Jesus is God (the Trinity - God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! John 1:14. Good point, Jesus did turn the water in River Niles in Egypt to mock the god of Egyptians by turning the water to Blood because He is the great "I AM".
"Read catechism line 460 to see that your church believes that "Jesus became man so that we too can become a god" do you think this is biblical?"
You have misquoted 460. "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81.
St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57, 1-4 made this quote and you have misunderstood it. The RCC teaches there is only one God. We are members of his body, a divine nature.
Your quote was not correct which tells me you quoted it from some anti-Catholic source. Perhaps you should verify what you quote from the actual source before you quote it.
I can understand questioning what is meant by CCC:460 but deliberately misquoting it is not ethical.
@stevesilvia. the true body of Christ is Jesus HImself when He hung on the cross taking the punishment for us. Also those who believe in Christ are the body or a group of believers who have put all their trust in His blood sacrifice.
You are not my god in fact I do not worship any god or follow any religion, they are all fraudulent, devisive, stop independent thinking and are dangerous.
ALL PRAISES TO THE MOST HIGH, and Glory to My King, Jesus Christ! All Blessings to You Jacob! All Blessings to My King's Other Flock; Christians for Christ! REPENT from IDOLATRY; wearing Priest GARMENTS "IS VAIN" without THE ANOINTING! Isaiah 46:7 IS THIS VIDEO! Catholic ARE doing EVERYTHING AGAINST GOD; KING JESUS THE SON OF THE MOST HOLY! Rome is the "DAGGER"/Cross and America is THE STOCK! King Jesus said: Ishmael WILL have Their OWN Tree; They WILL the ORNAMENTS of ESAU on Them. REPENT!
Only one correction, the priest does not change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. He prays for the change to be done by the Holy Spirit. Very beautifully done video and using pictures of one of the most spirit filled priests was so appropriate for the video. Father Stan Fortuna is an awesome teacher, singer,songwriter, and powerful tool for the Lord. He is our generations John the Baptist. A messenger who pulls no punches. God Bless and keep up the good work.
@mrmrsguch65. The Holy Spirit brought Jesus once into this world to be our perfect Blood Sacrifice. The Holy Spirit doesnt keep changing the bread & wine into Jesus' body, blood, soul & divinity again & again so the priest can offer Him as an unbloody sacrifice. Fr Stan Fortuna is not an awesome teacher, he has been lied to by the pope. God does not bless sacrifices offered by the hand of any person, whether priest or not. Jesus' Father condoned Jesus' sacrifice, not the sacrifice of the mass.
"the real body of Christ is the One Who died on the cross for the sins of the world"
Who ever said otherwise?
"Fr Stan Fortuna has been lied to by the pope"
What a rediculous statement. You think your opinion of Catholics and the Pope have any weight at all? You know that preaching your own gospel will not have any effect on Catholics.
If you don't know, then you have just been told.
"Jesus' Father condoned Jesus' sacrifice, not the sacrifice of the mass."
@MrChristianBeliever. Jesus' Father was very satisfied with His Son's blood sacrifice. He is not satisfied with the RC doctrine of transubstantiation. Jesus came once into this world to die for the sins of this world, The Holy Spirit doesnt keep changing the bread & wine into His body & blood in order for a priest to offer it as an unblood death for the sins of this world. Some one has to die a real bloody death for sin & transubstantiation doesnt accomplish this.This isnt my gospel, it is His.
"Jesus' Father is not satisfied with the RC doctrine of transubstantiation"
So you want me to believe that I should not eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus (John 6:53–58)? Sorry, that is not going to happen. I know for a fact that you were not chosen by Jesus to interpret scripture for me.
Please explain how it is possible to sin by unworthily eating a piece of bread since you don't believe Christ is present in the Eucharist (1 Cor. 11:27–28)!
"Some one has to die a real bloody death for sin & transubstantiation doesnt accomplish this.This isnt my gospel, it is His."
Transubstantiation is not what you want it to mean. Every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are proclaiming his death (The Eucharist in the Mass). A person who eats and drinks without recognizing the body is eating and drinking his own condemnation.
You have been reading too many anti Catholic web sites.
Beautiful video and thanks for the presence of the Eucharist because it is really poerful. Healing and miracles have taken place through the Eucharist (which is really Jesus). Want miracles urgently, see willann54 Miracle Prayer.
Catholicism is the Mass and the Sacraments. The Mass was destroyed in 1962 and the required Sacramental Form was destroyed in 1944. Sorry, it's over. The Church is in a state of auto-demolition as Paul VI stated in 1968. Of course it looks legitimate, but that's how Lucifer wants it. If you want the ability to stand when the punishment comes, UNDERSTAND THE THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA.
The stunning evidence is on
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
Rome has until Aug. 17, 2011 when it will be destroyed
Wow 4,471 comments, this child came not to condemn, the arguments only hurt them. She has an imaginary friend, because of people like you. Remember not to should on people. My message comes from a fairyland, lies are made from what? Whom shall you fear? A prophet will come, and this is the year of the Jubilee!
@ChulaKirby "Does anyone remember in the Bible when Jesus turned water into blood?"
If he ever did it, it is not recorded in sacred scripture.
Perhaps you're thinking of Rev 16:3 & 4 or Rev 11:6.
In the OT Moses turned the Nile to blood as one of the plagues, but there is no record of Jesus doing any such thing (except of course through Moses as part of the eternal trinity.)
@ChulaKirby There's a lot in the bible. One is John 6:53-58, another one is Luke 22:19, there are also in the Acts when they do the breaking of bread which is now Catholics called the Holy Eucharist. Jesus is the passover lamb parallel when Moses and God's people performed the first passover in Exodus.
@ChulaKirby He did not turn the water to blood, but to wine. I am sure you read the bible too. You are testing. Catholics do not invent what they practice.
@glendacumos Yes, I am testing and also challenging you. Catholics believe Jesus is God. Not just any God or a man who became God but the God who became man. He is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob (Israel). Is He not? Is He not "I AM" who rescued the Israelites from the hand of Pharoah? Who sent Moses and Aaron? One of the first signs Moses and Aaron performed was turning water into blood? Was it not God who did this? Do you believe Jesus is God?
@glendacumos The Catholic Church does not separate the God of the New Testament (covenant) from the God of the Old Testament. It is the same God and Jesus professed and the early Catholic Church preached that Jesus is that God. It was not Moses who commanded the sea and wind and parted the red sea, it was Jesus. It was Jesus who appeared to Abraham. It was Jesus who appeared as a burning bush. It was Jesus who appeared as a column of smoke by day and a column of fire at night. He is God.
@glendacumos It was Jesus who turned water into blood in Egypt. And it was Jesus who turned water into wine at Cana. And it was Jesus who turned wine into His body, blood, soul, and Divinity. It was Jesus who parted the Red Sea and calmed the Sea of Galilee. This is what the Catholic Church teaches and believes. What individual catholics believe and profess is sometimes quite different but that doesn't change what the Catholic Church teaches and has always professed. Jesus is God.
@glendacumos Do not Catholics pray and profess every Sunday their faith? "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.Through Him all things were made." Or are these just sounds and words that catholics mumble but have no clue as to what they are praying and professing. I am challenging you to grow in your Catholic faith.
@ChulaKirby ...and also, this statement must be an answer to my prayers. I've been always wanting my Protestant friends to know about Jesus and His fullness in the Blessed Sacrament, but I don't know how. I only give them flyers with Divine Mercy and Monstrance picture with John 6:53-58 verse. I am sure they are worried that I am a lost sheep, I used to be a Protestant... also this could be mean that Jesus is truly calling me to a religious life, I am so inspired by St. Francis of Assisi. :)
When I was young I was drawn to St Francis and how he responded to the story of the young rich man who encountered Jesus. Almost became a Friar. I've learned a lot since then but there is two things that I know Jesus is calling you too. 1 Himself. And He is appearing all around the world as bread and wine just as He once appeared as smoke and fire in the days of Moses. 2. For you to trust Him to lead you closer to Him. Which ever path He chooses for you. Married, Single, or Religious. Trust Him.
@glendacumos Can I ask you a question? When Jesus walked along the shores of Galilee he called out to some men to follow Him and they did (Peter, Andrew, James, & John) . On the other side of the shore he healed a man possessed by many demons. After that the man wanted to join Him and follow Him and Jesus told Him to stay and tell others what He had done for him Mk 5:18-20 And the man stayed. Which of these men trusted Jesus and followed Him? Or did all five?
@ChulaKirby I would say both (the possessed man and the disciples). The five followed Jesus to be with Him physically as disciples. The other man, though not with Jesus physically, trusted and followed what Jesus told Him. Therefore, Jesus calls us whatever we are, and whatever we do. We are appointed in everyway. We are one body with many parts.
@glendacumos In John 6:53-58 Jesus didn't turn water into blood? Nor did He turn bread and wine into His body and blood. That didn't take place for the first time until the last supper. I am not asking that. I am talking about when Jesus turned water into blood. You remember when He turned water into wine right?
Belief in God is a matter of FAITH...not a situation where you are cohersed or talked into an intillectual assesment...
God really does live within you..."Be still" and know that I am God...try that my friend...just be still...ASK HIM to reveal Himself to you and He will.
Even though you may not believe in Him, God believes in you.
OK... I must've cried my eyes out when I first saw this video ever, a couple of years ago. To see the YOUNG PPL...my generation worshiping Jesus in the Eucharist, has got to be one the MOST beautiful things on this Earth. GLORY TO GOD IN THE MOST BLESSED SACRAMENT.PER OMNIA SAECULA, SAECULORUM (4 ever and ever) Amen. I am so broken before You, Lord! :**)
Also how would eliminating religeon make life simpler? Perhaps poe pot and stalin agree with you, but I don't. Religeon is the ultimate fabric of human understanding and love for one another. When we know and understand that we are all created equal by a power that far surpasses us it keeps us in check. Heck every so called religous war was never entirely religous but over worldy things.
@jpop1321 Religion has good sides, indeed. Community, friendship, respect. But things like that are possible without the whole bullshit around it, I mean do we really need religion as an excuse to get together? Religion is the very foundation of everything you see around you. Traditions, government, war, you name it. It's all about control. Remove that factor and you will have a completely different world. Believe in the world, not God.
@OsirisNO this foolish the fact that we dont make the world sacred is what has allowed us to do make the advances we've made in science. Religion is not the cause of tradition, government or war in all those cases they are SECULAR if anything they play a bigger cause on religion, even when fighting over religion theres always another underlying factor for the fighting ex the middle east, its not so much Jews vs Muslims but a fight over land.
Its funny, Fatima was witnessed by 70000 people, even atheist who after giving witness to it did not convert, so why lie? Its how you define life, born, live and die. Well by that account every thing else is so simple as well. Heck by that definition why bother with not only religeon but all other things? You also use the word silly to describe the faith, why?
@jpop1321 There is many things I find silly, the way we cloth, the way people pretend to be someone they are not, the monetary system, money, poverty, politics, religion. All things that re completely not needed to survive in this world. I believe in a better world without corruption and bullshit, religion I'm sorry to say is the very foundation of all of it. Created for social control ended up as corruption, money making, debt creating super nations that control our very existence.
@OsirisNO Lol, so the secular communist totalitarian states are a perfect model for what you just described and their not religious. I agree that when people are not given the choice of whether or not to believe it does become an engine for simple control however thats not the case of Christianity nor Catholicism.
O shucks. Now that the secret is out that Jesus is appearing and becoming present I won't be able to get a parking place at Church this Sunday. What a friend we have in Jesus. What a GOD we have in JESUS. Come one, COME ALL, and worship OUR GOD, The LAMB of GOD who takes away the sin of the world. I better be quiet or I will never get a parking place :)
Why do people who are against the Catholic Church always seek out the faithful of the Catholic Church to argue about the Catholic Church? I am sure that there are many other things in this world that you don't agree with, go find those things to argue against. I understand you don't believe in Him. You have your free will to turn the page, change the channel, click the red box with the "X". I can only imagine that it is your anger with God that BROUGHT YOU HERE to fight against His believers.
@RobTufel That is sometimes the way I see it. We are standing with Him, kneeling before Him, receiving Him in our hands, on our tongue, and in our bodies and in our soul. And the two become one flesh (Ephesians 5). They claim to know Him and follow Him and listen to him and believe Him but they don't. Otherwise they would be doing the same as us. They have no roots or history and so they try to take ours. They have no true Christ, who comes to them under the appearance of mere bread and wine.
Not because he doesn't call them or appear for them but because they reject Him and so He does not appear for them. They do not see Him because deep down they do not really and truly believe Him or trust Him. To love is to trust. All they need to do is to pray to God to open their eyes and their hearts and He would!
@baldonebear What claim? That we receive Him and they don't? They don't. Ask them. Ask them if they have ever received God in their hand and on their tongue. Ask them what it felt like to kneel in His presense. Ask them if they believe Jesus has the power to appear as mere bread all around the world, at the same time, and feed His people with His most precious body, blood, soul, and Divinity. Ask them if they have ever eaten the Lamb of God in the new covenant meal. Ask them!
@baldonebear I looked at your page and noticed you were once a Protestant Pastor. What are your insights into the reasons? Are you telling me that as a Protestant Pastor you believed that the bread and wine were turned into Jesus? Or did you start to believe and then became Catholic? Why is it that Catholics leave and reject the teaching, and others come into the fold because of the teaching? To believe this doctrine requires "faitth" and not no mere human "faith". I'm really curious.
@baldonebear that is okay. It happens when people write. That is why I sought clarification. How long were you a Protestant minister? I bet you were totally blown away when you learned what the Catholic Church REALLY taught. So many Catholics are ignorant or take for granted what they have. I speak from experience. Even thoughI grew up Catholic I feel like I was more Protestant than Catholic. What caused you to question? You can email me if you want.
I wish that I could and the question "Why"? I have wondered that.
I was a minister close to 15 years.
I was blown away. I was Catholic until age 11, then we became Protestant. We were casual Catholics, so one we became Protestant, yes, I was taught lies about the CC.
I am leaving for work soon, so yes, I will send you a PM.
The symbolic view of communion never made sense to me. I began to research, through the windows given us by the Apostolic Fathers, and found something much different that the Evangelicals believe and practice.
It finally made sense.
There are those, in my opinion, who were once Catholic, but never understood the big picture. This happens in all denominations, especially with those who are holiday Christians or casual observers.
@baldonebear But why? I can see as children and young adults but why would a believer not place everything in their life to the side and try to determine the truth of this. If God is appearing as bread and wine it would be the greatest of all miracles and the focus of all inquiries. I know a family member who left to become a Protestant minister and other family members think he loves Jesus. But he walked away from Him. He left Him. he loves someone but not Jesus because he left Him.
I have known many people who were Catholic, and left during their college age years. One Pastor friend of mine did this, and recently we spoke. He rattled off many things that he claims he was taught that the CC does not even teach...there is confusion.
Thus, if one does not understand the big picture, they fall prey to the lies that some non-Catholic promote concerning the Eucharist, and hold fast to a teaching mad popular in the 16th century by Uldrich Zwingli.
@baldonebear I will agree. I grew up Catholic and went to C school til 8th grade. My siblings went til 12th and left the faith. However, we were not properly taught and that is true. However, there is such a thing of being ignorant due to our own sins. You were far off and sought the truth and came near. They were near and are now far off. Why? I do not know. I believe they lost their faith. We can ship wreck our faith by sin. I do know this, they do not believe in the Eucharist
It is like the parable of the story of the seeds that fell on rocky soil, pathway, thorns, etc. I pray for them and pray for myself. There are those who are ignorant thru NO FAULT of their own and there are those who are ignorant due to their own fault. I do not know which is which in regards to them or others BUT I do know ignorance of Christ and the Eucharist. And so I try to pick up and carry my cross for love of them. So they might come to receive Christ in the Eucharist.
God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
@stevesilvia. Why would Jesus want to officiate at a sacrifice that doesnt involve Him(transubstantiation)? The sacrifice I'm talking about is the unbloody offering of the bread and wine. Why should He participate in such a sacrifice? Why would Jesus want to help the RCpriest offer Himself in an unbloody sacrifice for thesins of the world? Jesusdied a bloody sacrifice that pardons all sin. Heb 13:10 means that no more sacrifices will be offered, let alone be eaten.
@bornagainsaint1 Love. Jesus loves us. Love is sacrifice. Love is an offering. Love is the giving of one's self. Love is a choice. Love is a decision. Love is an act of the will. An eternal loving God has offered an eternal loving sacrifice. He is a priest forever. Why? because His sacrifice is forever. Don't you see? God and His love transcends time and space. It becomes present for us at Mass but it is the same. Do you know what "testament" means? Covenant....the New Testament.
When I open my heart and mind I see lies everywhere. Lies, people are hiding behind because of Faith, because of Tradition, because it's the only way they know how to survive. People like you need saving, not me. Honestly, you should be the one to seek the truth and when you do it will set you free. It will set you free but also make you angry, because you have been lied to your entire life.
Let's build a world where we are not afraid of the unknown. Let's build a world where we believe in ourselves and the planet we live on. Let's stop being blinded by our faith. Stop pretending being someone you are not. Don't try to deny it, just stand up and open your eyes. Let's stop trying so hard to convince ourselves there is a reason why we are here. Let's just live our lives, together. Without any of this nonsense. Let's wake up and build a future. It's in YOUR hands, not God's.
@drdst17 Excusing your actions after believing in God, fantastic. Good luck with that, that's probably the biggest Con on the planet. Also there is no such thing as an Athiest, no such thing as a believer. There are just humans and their sick minds and what they come up with.
@OsirisNO What do they use to come up with this stuff? An intellect? A will? Ever notice what man can do with his mind and his will? It is amazing? But matter and atoms and the elements in chemestry have niether mind nor will. Sick and wicked are only understood in relation to something else which is Health and Blessed. Matter and atoms coming together don't account for these terms you use. There is something more than matter and atoms.
@OsirisNO I opened my eyes and heart and saw a world with mountains, plants and trees, and birds of the air and oceans with fish and whales and all kinds of animals crawling, walking, and running around on the planet and knew they could not just appear and come from nothing. Something had to bring them into existance. Something cannot come from nothing therefore something must have always existed. I asked them all, and all said "No not I". And then god spoke His eternal Word, the Eucharist.
@ChulaKirby You know something or someone had to bring everything in existence, I'm with you there. But how can you make such a huge jump from knowing that and believing that there is an invisible person in the sky who created all of this with (magic?) his bare hands, then wrote a book about it and got weird old men in robes to read/teach about it. To me that sounds like a man scared of the truth, hiding behind a fairy tale, just like little kids do.
@OsirisNO LOL..........I wouldn't believe that, if I did I would be an athiest. Many years (decades) ago when I was in college I took a philosophy class. One of the first subjects or inquiries of the philosophers was what is everything made of or where did everything come from. I learned some believed that matter was eternal and realized they believed the same as me in regards to something existing forever. The difference was matter did not have a will or an intellect.
I knew intelligence and will existed. Humans have intelligence and will but where does it come from? Is it possible a spirit (non matter) being exists that has intelligence and will and no beginning? That might sound crazy but it is just as crazy if not crazier to say that matter (atoms) have existed for all eternity with no beginning and no intelligence or will. Intelligence and will CANNOT COME from matter. Does this make sense?
This is a beautiful video. Thank you. What a wonderful gift we have in this wonderful Sacrament!
randolphhjr 2 weeks ago
i dont believe in tthat
iloveamerica007 3 weeks ago
Good
Noelsims 3 weeks ago
I'm appalled at the negative and ignorant comments I've found here. Only speaking for myself, and having no idea where the negative comments originate, I can only say that this song has been a beautiful inspiration to me for years. The music and video capture profoundly the role of Jesus Christ in our lives as Lord and Savior! :)
leilalmv67 1 month ago
Beautiful!! <3
ethiopienqueen 2 months ago
is really beautifull..... en ese pedacito y redonito pan de AMOR se encuentra JESUS EUCARISTIA que hermoso.......!!!!!! CATOLICO SOY.
20100braulio 2 months ago
Você É o Meu Deus
Edilainek1 2 months ago
LIke being in Heaven, this is wonderful !
josparkes1 3 months ago
All of reality is grounded and transformed in Christ.
When God says "Let there be light" - there is LIGHT.
When He says "Let the earth come forth" - an EARTH happens.
When Jesus says "Your sins are forgiven" - they are FORGIVEN.
When He says "This is my body" - bread becomes His BODY.
When He declares "This is my blood" - wine becomes His BLOOD.
Simple as! Simple as God, in fact!
It's only the "intelligentsia" wresting with Scripture who confuse things - sadly, to their own destruction.
francisxcc 4 months ago
Oh, and when Jesus says "I am with you all days, even unto the end of the age", He is with us all days, even unto the end of the age. With us really and truly - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. Just as Isaiah had prophesied, "His name shall be Emmanuel" (which means "God with us".)
How simple! How wonderful! How worthy of the authentic Christian assent of faith!
francisxcc 4 months ago
@francisxcc
When will the heresies cease to multiply?
500 yrs ago Luther's was "faith alone", yet he accepted most - if not all - of the other RCC doctrine.
Now we have those who deny the trinity, reject -> baptism, perpetual virginity of Mary, Real Presence, confession, divinity of Jesus, autonomy of the HS, CC's role in NT canon, Peter in Rome and that office's primacy(among others that are required for their other heresies to even be plausible).. What's next?
182RG 4 months ago 7
@182RG
Next? The revelation of the (real) thoughts of many hearts.
Putting paid to the patently shallow lies which the un-faithful propagate for their own ungodly motives, touting their claimed superior (no, make that "infallible") personal understanding of sacred scripture. After all, every lie has to borrow a little from the truth to even be plausible in the first place. Eventually, thankfully, The Truth (Who is Christ Himself) prevails.
francisxcc 4 months ago
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Peter was never a blasphemous pope and he was never even in Rome! Franciscan Catholics found his tomb in Jerusalem 50 years ago.
Peter
For your edification google "Is it right to Judge, To Expose Error, by E.L.Bynum"
Paul
I highly recommended youtube videos by Excatholics and BereanBeacon.
Mary
Also, google "chick publications" and click "catholicism"
BlasphemousMass 4 months ago
@BlasphemousMass as Catholics, we prefer not to read gossip, especially the kind that you believe teaches gossip though comic books, and then pretends that this is real bible study....
stevesilvia 4 months ago 12
@BlasphemousProts
And how did they determine it was Peter's grave? Because it had the notation "Simon bar Jonah".
Two problems with that:
1) "Simon [son of] Jonah" Extremely common names in that era and locale. That would be like finding a grave stone with the inscription "John Smith" in America.
2) Don't you recall Jesus changed his name to "Peter"? Did Peter and his brethren spit in the face of Jesus by rejecting his Christ given name?
Yeah, chick is one credible source Brahaha!
182RG 4 months ago 2
@BlasphemousMass
As for Excatholics, don't they have a North Irish accent???
And Berean is ran by an ex priest. One should try to determine what (or who) could possess a former priest, who went thru 4-8 years of seminary, supposedly to learn all about the faith prior to taking the vows, to suddenly "see the light" and become so venomous toward the institution he formerly had thought enough of to spend years learning to serve.
182RG 4 months ago
Your "god" is a cracker!!
BlasphemousMass 4 months ago
grcis por quedarte con nosstros como lo prometistes, y alimentarnos en verdad carne y sangre
Wegalvez 5 months ago
This is so beautiful
PURPLEBEATTIE1 5 months ago
Absolutely beautiful, love it !
josparkes1 5 months ago
@josparkes1 loved it
PURPLEBEATTIE1 5 months ago
Religulous By Bill Maher :)
DL@the.pirate.bay.or.g
ribs002 5 months ago
The priest does not believe that HE can change the bread and wine into the real presence of Christ, but he does believe that a mysterious transformation takes place that God Himself does. Those are very different concepts.
pjlovesj 5 months ago 8
@pjlovesj you are correct....I wasn't thinking, when I was writing....
stevesilvia 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"What is the standard that you use to be clear that you are not decieved yourself?" 2
Even your Jn6, Jesus states “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”. You see evil in the RCC and yet Jesus made an unbeliever and a devil one of his dicsiples.
Perhaps you need a new pair of glasses (paradigm shift) when you look at the RCC. Are you only asking questions because you do not know the answers or is there another reason?
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
This doctrine of the Eucharist was first dogmatized at the 4th Lateran Council in 1215. Some church fathers believed in a literal take on Jn 6 and some saw it as a memorial. God is Spirit and I am very uncomfortable with making him into a material object and calling that object God. Know what I mean? How does Catholicism know to a certainty that Jn 6 is not just a metaphor for a deeper meaning? Something Jesus did very frequently. All the best.
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"God is Spirit and I am very uncomfortable with making him into a material object and calling that object God. Know what I mean?"
No, not really. I don't know what you mean.
"How does Catholicism know to a certainty that Jn 6 is not just a metaphor for a deeper meaning?"
Great question. Do you know for certain that Jn6 is not a just a metaphor and that Catholicism or the Roman Catholic Church is not guided by the HS?
Does God really exist? Perhaps faith is required.
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago in playlist Christian Music
@MrChristianBeliever , good answer... faith is everything....how many times did Jesus say in the bible, "Your faith has saved you"...? Your right, faith is required...
stevesilvia 5 months ago
@stevesilvia
Steve, wouldn't you agree that there are so many who seem to thrive on questioning or attacking the Catholic church? I don't see these folks as being very Christian. I hope MrHoopler is just asking rather than attacking.
I still love the songs you have avaliable. Listening at least weekly. Keep posting them.
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever Steve Silva produces a great number of competent videos advocating his belief system and his church. He leaves commentary open. Why not expect Qs? Do you regard Qs as attacks? Protestantism is shot through with false teachers and movements. What is the standard that you use to be clear that you are not decieved yourself? BTW, we are answering Qs with more Qs and that is what Jesus did constantly did he not? What's the problem?
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"Why not expect Qs? Do you regard Qs as attacks?"
I responded to one of your questions. I have no issues with quesitons. Where you expecting that no one would respond?
"What is the standard that you use to be clear that you are not decieved yourself?"
Jesus only built one church and I place my faith in him to guide it through the HS. Do I need more than faith?
"we are answering Qs with more Qs and that is what Jesus did constantly did he not? What's the problem?"
No problem.
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
"Great question. Do you know for certain that Jn6 is not a just a metaphor and that Catholicism or the Roman Catholic Church is not guided by the HS?"
Yes, based on the verses following v.53 when Jesus says the flesh counts for nothing and that it is the Spirit that gives life. In context, Jesus was being followed by sign seekers and a crowd looking for free food. Nothing like the thought of cannabalism to separate true believers from hanger-ons.
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"No, not really. I don't know what you mean."
Seems a straightforward enough statement; just me addressing the subject of objectifing God. Truly seems frightfully close to a violation of the 10 commandments about making and bowing down to material representations of God. I was very surprised at the late date of the dogma as well.Transubstantiation must have been discussed/debated by theologians a great deal. I remember reading that for a time the laity only got the bread
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"Yes, based on the verses following v.53"
You know for certain that the RCC is not guided by the HS because "the flesh counts for nothing and that it is the Spirit that gives life"?
Amazing how this verse is interpreted by you. I don't read it the same way you do at all. The majority of Christians in the World don't read it the same way you do. Do you believe God made you an infallible interpreter of scripture or do you make a habit of proclaiming infallibility for yourself?
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"Seems a straightforward enough statement"
If it is so straight forward, then why did you ask the question "Know what I mean?". I would think that you would not ask that question if there was any doubt in your mind. Clearly you had doubt as to what you stated would be understood.
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"Transubstantiation must have been discussed/debated by theologians a great deal."
I am sure it was debated but not by Catholics. The RCC has always taught and believed exactly what Jesus said concerning his Body and Blood. You do not believe Jesus really meant that he is present in Eucharist even though he says it and you insist that others believe you. Is that correct?
"I remember reading that for a time the laity only got the bread"
Did you read that on anti RCC sites?
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever I shall have to agree with St Augustine who believed that since Christ sits at the right of God, his physical body couldn't be literally present in the eucharistic sacrament.
As to the period of time when only the laity got the bread, that fact came from church historian Brian Moynahan in his book The Faith, A History of Christianity p.374. .
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler Further support that Jesus was speaking metaphorically at Jn 6 regarding the bread and cup, is to read Matt26:27-29. Jesus holds the cup and says "this is my blood of the new testament...." Then in the next verse he says: "I will not drink henceforth of THIS FRUIT OF THE VINE...." (emphasis added). Clear to anyone at the passover he was speaking a metaphor. As he did with the door, good shepherd, sheep and goats, wheat and tares, brood of vipers, sowing the seed etc.
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"since Christ sits at the right of God, his physical body couldn't be literally present in the eucharistic sacrament."
Please provide your source saying that St Augustine did not believe Jesus was present in the Eucharist.
"Brian Moynahan in his book The Faith, A History of Christianity p.374"
You place your trust in this man? Are you suggesting that I should place my trust in him as well? What happens when other historians disagree with him?
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever St Augustine"s On Christian Doctrine book 3, chapt 16. In the first sentence he talks about when to/not to take the bible literally. He cites the Jn 6 passage directly and he calls it a "figure." You can read it free on line if you search "christian classical ethereal library' It is a great place for study.
As to Monahan, he is a historian and they work hard at being accurate. Well, what are you trusting since you raise the Q?
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"Monahan is a historian and they work hard at being accurate. what are you trusting since you raise the Q?"
The RCC has maintained the history of the church and traditions of the Early Church Fathers for 2000 years. I trust that their history and ability to pass on the traditions our Fathers is not only accurate but is maintained by the guidance of the HS as promised by Jesus.
Do you expect me to trust anyone other than Jesus?
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
"Further support that Jesus was speaking metaphorically...read Matt26:27-29"
This passage does not tell me that he is speaking metaphorically and John 6:53-58 tells me that he is not speaking metaphorically.
Again, I place faith that what ever Jesus tells me is true. Peter lost faith when he was walking on water to him and he fell because of his lack of faith.
You left off the rest "until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom".
MrChristianBeliever 5 months ago
@MrHoopler "since Christ sits at the right of God, his physical body couldn't be literally present in the eucharistic sacrament..." Really? Why do you think Jesus presented this command right after the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves of bread and fish?
stevesilvia 5 months ago
@stevesilvia Hi Steve. At v 26 He tells the multitude that they are following him around because they got a full meal. When he claimed to have come down from heaven the Jews grumbled and doubted his origins (v41,42). In all likelyhood, he wanted to be with the believers and his disciples. His allusion to eating his flesh had the effect of sending away those that were just hanging on for a freebie. That's just my take on why Jesus used that metaphor. Why do you think he spoke literally?
MrHoopler 5 months ago
@MrHoopler they left because He was speaking literally....Some stayed becaused He spoke literally. Those who believed stayed.
stevesilvia 5 months ago
@MrHoopler --"My flesh is real / true food, and my blood is real / true drink"; this is not the language of metaphore.
WorldBibleUnion454 5 months ago
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@MrHoopler
"His allusion to eating his flesh had the effect of sending away those that were just hanging on for a freebie"
Explain that.. how does those who are looking for a freebie go away cause of his so called allusion to Flesh ? Does that even make sense ?
Also how do you know that your opinion on what all this means is the correct one ?
MrJamesthecatholic 5 months ago
@MrHoopler
In Judaism, if a Rabbi was misunderstood - and it became clear to him that he was being misunderstood - he was duty bound to clear up the matter so as not to cause harm or conflict among his students. If he did not, he was no longer respected and was, in fact, classified a "bad man".
Jesus let those who wouldn't accept His "hard teaching" about the Eucharist walk away. He made no attempt to correct their literal understanding of what He was saying.
What does that tell us?
francisxcc 4 months ago
@tario26
"Did you know that the church teaches the pope is infallable?" 3
Before you start rambling on about other paragraphs that are incorrect, you might want to go back to your first misunderstanding instead of avoiding it. If you cannot even make this one point clear, it is pointless to continue on to others.
Since you got one paragraph (CCC640) wrong, you surely have no idea what any other paragraph means. You can't just drop this one and move on to others when you are so mistaken.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
"Did you know that the church teaches the pope is infallable?" 2
Correct me if I am wrong. You believe this means the Pope is either impeccable or incapable of making a mistake (based on your statement about Peter).
That is not what infallible means.
Infallibility also belongs to the body of bishops as a whole, when, in doctrinal unity with the pope, they solemnly teach a doctrine as true.
If you were a faithful Catholic, you would not have left the church.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever Finally someone who knows what they're talking about. There are so many misinformed people out, (sadly many of them Catholic)
byrnsey01 6 months ago
@tario26
"I am not judging you personally my friend"
I specifically stated that you were judging the RCC not me. You claimed that the RCC teaches that we will become a God. That is false.
"do you think Jesus became man so that you might become a god?"
Since I am Catholic and I believe the RCC and the RCC does not teach that we will become a God, you should already know the answer to that question. That is my point.
There is nothing that is false about the RCC teachings.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
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@tario26
"I am regergitating what your church believes"
Again, you have no idea what the RCC teaches and worse you want to prove what you don't know. That is not a Christian behavior. You quote CCC:460 while simultaneously ignoring and refusing to mention CCC:198 - 231. I will save you the time since it is not part of your agenda.
You specifically ignore CCC:200 on purpose: "God is unique; there is only one God". You wish to believe the otherwise and worse you want others to believe it.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
""Jesus became man so that we too can become a god" do you think this is biblical?"
If anything, I would think you would question why the RCC teaches that there is only one God. The Mormons teach that they will become Gods as far as I understand.
Can you explain why the RCC teaches that there is only one God when Psalm 82:1,6, Genesis 1:26 say otherwise?
What do you believe given that scripture appears to teach that there are many Gods but the RCC teaches that there is only one?
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever Read the whole paragraph and this is what it says, I did not misquote, I am regergitating what your church believes:
"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."
tario26 6 months ago
@tario26
That time you quoted it correctly. You did not previously quote it correctly as I stated. As I also stated, you do not understand it since you think the RCC teaches there is more than one God. If you look at the reference, you will see that this quote, which is not the same as your last, was made by St. Athanasius, De inc. 54, 3: PG 25, 192B.
Instead of looking for reasons to understand this quote, you look for reasons to prove what your heart desires.
cont...
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26 2
You have made it clear that your heart desires to prove that Jesus did not establish his church (The Catholic Church) for the purpose of saving souls and that he cannot guide it with the HS. You wish to believe the RCC teaches that we will be Gods when we die and that is false.
You do not understand this quote and instead of asking how this quote is biblical, you choose to use it as ammunition for arguing which is clearly anti-biblical.
Why did you not answer my prior questions?
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
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MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
Until you answer these questions with a ligitimate answer that any reasonable person could accept, you are simply proving that your words are not from Christ by attacking the RCC and those who hold to that faith.
Can you explain why the RCC teaches that there is only one God when Psalm 82:1,6, Genesis 1:26 appears to teach that there are many Gods?
Why did you ignore CCC:198 - 231 when you originally misquoted CCC:460? Is that a biblical thing to do as a Christian?
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever There is only one God with a big G, but many false gods with a small "g"..Satan is also refferred to as the god of this world in the bible ...2 Corinthians 4:4...your missing my point my friend, here is a simple yes or no question, do you think Jesus became man so that you might become a god?
tario26 6 months ago
@tario26
"There is only one God with a big G, but many false gods with a small "g".."
That is not what scripture says. That is not a reasonable answer to the questions that you have not answered.
Can you explain why the RCC teaches that there is only one God when Psalm 82:1,6, Genesis 1:26 appears to teach that there are many Gods?
Why did you ignore CCC:198 - 231 when you originally misquoted CCC:460? Is that a biblical thing to do as a Christian?
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
"your missing my point my friend"
I have not missed your point. Your point is to convince Catholics that you know what the RCC teaches even though you don't. Your point is to prove that what you believe is the truth and everyone else must believe you or they will not be saved.
When you misquote the CCC, your point is very clear to me. A Christian does not argue about words and does not deliberately misquote documents for proving points of discussion.
I have not missed your point.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
You unrightly judge the RCC of teaching that there are many Gods and we will become Gods by ignoring what the RCC actually teaches.
"Do you indeed speak righteousness...Do you judge uprightly" (Psalm 58:1-2)
"with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you" (Matt 7:1-6).
It is better to look for things to commend in others, than for things to condemn. It is uncharitable judgment against which Jesus warns us. Do not look for evil things in others (James 4:12, 1 Cor 4:5).
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever Those 2 I pointed out in the catechism are only a few....Did you know that the church teaches the pope is infallable? Peter was supposedly the first pope correct? and he made an error in doctrine teaching that people needed to get circumcised to enter into the covenant with God... read Galatians 2:11-14 " But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed". add me as a friend perhaps we can have a more in depth discussion....Mike
tario26 6 months ago
@tario26
"Those 2 I pointed out in the catechism are only a few"
You only pointed out CCC460 and you did it incorrectly. I reject your understanding of this paragraph. You got it wrong. Your senond paragraph about a mortal sin is also incorrect. What you think is a disagreeing is not what is meant by the RCC. You are batting zero with what the RCC teaches.
"Did you know that the church teaches the pope is infallable?"
Did you know that you don't know what that means? I do.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
"add me as a friend perhaps we can have a more in depth discussion....Mike"
I would love to discuss it but you have proven it would be a pointless discussion. You won't even admit that you have misquoted and misunderstood what the CCC says.
You think I am a novice at Catholicism but I am not. When you can make a valid argument, I will listen. You have not answered my questions that a reasonable person could accept. The passages I gave you did not refer only to Satan as you suggested.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
The measure you use to judge the RCC is based on a single paragraph in the CCC. When you ignore all other CCC paragraphs that clearify what you condemn, you use a false measure. Scripture says you too will be judged by a false measure because that is how you judge others.
"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matthew 7:2)
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever I am not judging you personally my friend, I am trying to point you the false teachings that the catholic church has cleverly concealed such as those 2 catechism verses, did you know its a mortal sin if your in disagreement of those teachings because you are a catholic?? ...I was once a catholic myself until I came to realize the falseness in the church after I've searched and read and prayed for how to truly worship God..
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MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
"did you know its a mortal sin if your in disagreement of those teachings because you are a catholic??"
Are you going to misquote another paragraph in the Catechism? I will simply correct your unjust judgements of the RCC. It is not a mortal sin to disagree with the teachings if you do not understand them. You do not understand them.
If you were a Catholic, you were taught incorrectly what the RCC teaches. You stated that the RCC teaches we will become a God and that is false.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
"did you know its a mortal sin if your in disagreement of those teachings because you are a catholic?" 2
Does paragraph CCC907 say the same or are you just trying to change the subject because you screwed up so badly with CCC460?
Don't bother answering because I know you will get it wrong. You have not gotten anything right concerning what the RCC teaches.
The answer is no CCC907 does not mean it is a mortal sin to disagree with the RCC. Disagreement means you cannot be Catholic.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
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@MrChristianBeliever Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me....One God
tario26 6 months ago
@tario26
"catechism line 460" 2
By the power of the Holy Spirit, the Church has faithfully kept the apostolic faith that there are three Persons in one God. Because the Church Fathers believed that the Logos became flesh, this means that the nature of God and the nature of man are united in one Person. This does not mean that man's nature changes into the nature of God. This means that man can partake in the divine nature of God because we will be like God (2 Peter 1:4, 1 John 3:1-3).
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
It looks like if the priest is making them to worship the image of the Sun. This is condemned with death in Deuteronomy 17. Remember God does not change.
He is not please with Sun worshiping.
ggonjon 6 months ago
@ggonjon
What are you talking about? No one worships the sun.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
For those who know not Christ in the Eucharist, I pray for your souls. May our Lords mercy remove the scales from your eyes for this truly is indeed bread from heaven.
AkhilleusWeeps 6 months ago
"And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it." Exodus 12:8 (Referencing the Passover Lamb)
Heb. 10: 1 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things,"
"Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" John 1:29
"unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you." John 6:53
Salvation History says it all.
AkhilleusWeeps 6 months ago
if we all believe in the Trinity what does it matter how a Catholic worships or how a Baptist worships, or any other churches practices.....God loves all of us. A protestant also receives the body and blood of Christ, just not every Sunday and all the other Holy Days the Catholics participate in. I have been Catholic all my 50 years of life and I have a personal relationship with God, because I ventured out........
tmonica382 6 months ago
amazingly beautiful
jmcrisiscom 6 months ago
All catholic's Written Prayer is Base on the Bible.... I love my Catholic Faith Even the Rosary Prayer is in the Bible. and every Catholic Song is Written in the Bible...
knightslucky 7 months ago 17
Thanks for your advice. Everyday and as long as I am alive here on earth, I am still growing in faith. There is no way I would say, I am perfect and proclaim myself as better than any body else. May God be with you. :)
glendacumos 7 months ago
Of course Jesus is God (the Trinity - God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! John 1:14. Good point, Jesus did turn the water in River Niles in Egypt to mock the god of Egyptians by turning the water to Blood because He is the great "I AM".
glendacumos 7 months ago
I like it and touching the lyrics
anniedones1280 7 months ago
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Catholic priest didn't know the true meaning of the body of christ according to the bible.
mkinglong 7 months ago
@mkinglong, ha ha ha....do you understand what you are saying? Lets start with you...Tell us the true meaning of the body of Christ..... I'm waiting.
stevesilvia 7 months ago 9
@stevesilvia. The real body of Christ is the One Who died on the cross for the sins of the world. Now you dont have to wait for the truth.
bornagainsaint1 6 months ago
@stevesilvia 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
By reading the word of God we gain life, Jesus was the word made flesh
Read catechism line 460 to see that your church believes that "Jesus became man so that we too can become a god" do you think this is biblical?
tario26 6 months ago
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MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
"Read catechism line 460 to see that your church believes that "Jesus became man so that we too can become a god" do you think this is biblical?"
You have misquoted 460. "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81.
St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57, 1-4 made this quote and you have misunderstood it. The RCC teaches there is only one God. We are members of his body, a divine nature.
cont...
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@tario26
Your quote was not correct which tells me you quoted it from some anti-Catholic source. Perhaps you should verify what you quote from the actual source before you quote it.
I can understand questioning what is meant by CCC:460 but deliberately misquoting it is not ethical.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@stevesilvia. the true body of Christ is Jesus HImself when He hung on the cross taking the punishment for us. Also those who believe in Christ are the body or a group of believers who have put all their trust in His blood sacrifice.
bornagainsaint1 4 months ago
Thank YOU JESUS!!!!!! I LOVE YOU GOD!!!!!!
FaustinadeJesus 7 months ago
You are not my god in fact I do not worship any god or follow any religion, they are all fraudulent, devisive, stop independent thinking and are dangerous.
roac7777 7 months ago
✏ Kolosser 1,13-14
felixandreas100 7 months ago
thank's very much that's nice song. congratulation.
TheBuroga 8 months ago
adorando al dios del sol.
TitoforJC 8 months ago
ALL PRAISES TO THE MOST HIGH, and Glory to My King, Jesus Christ! All Blessings to You Jacob! All Blessings to My King's Other Flock; Christians for Christ! REPENT from IDOLATRY; wearing Priest GARMENTS "IS VAIN" without THE ANOINTING! Isaiah 46:7 IS THIS VIDEO! Catholic ARE doing EVERYTHING AGAINST GOD; KING JESUS THE SON OF THE MOST HOLY! Rome is the "DAGGER"/Cross and America is THE STOCK! King Jesus said: Ishmael WILL have Their OWN Tree; They WILL the ORNAMENTS of ESAU on Them. REPENT!
jamjr1972 8 months ago
Only one correction, the priest does not change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. He prays for the change to be done by the Holy Spirit. Very beautifully done video and using pictures of one of the most spirit filled priests was so appropriate for the video. Father Stan Fortuna is an awesome teacher, singer,songwriter, and powerful tool for the Lord. He is our generations John the Baptist. A messenger who pulls no punches. God Bless and keep up the good work.
mrmrsguch65 8 months ago
@mrmrsguch65. The Holy Spirit brought Jesus once into this world to be our perfect Blood Sacrifice. The Holy Spirit doesnt keep changing the bread & wine into Jesus' body, blood, soul & divinity again & again so the priest can offer Him as an unbloody sacrifice. Fr Stan Fortuna is not an awesome teacher, he has been lied to by the pope. God does not bless sacrifices offered by the hand of any person, whether priest or not. Jesus' Father condoned Jesus' sacrifice, not the sacrifice of the mass.
bornagainsaint1 6 months ago
@bornagainsaint1
"the real body of Christ is the One Who died on the cross for the sins of the world"
Who ever said otherwise?
"Fr Stan Fortuna has been lied to by the pope"
What a rediculous statement. You think your opinion of Catholics and the Pope have any weight at all? You know that preaching your own gospel will not have any effect on Catholics.
If you don't know, then you have just been told.
"Jesus' Father condoned Jesus' sacrifice, not the sacrifice of the mass."
Untrue
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@MrChristianBeliever. Jesus' Father was very satisfied with His Son's blood sacrifice. He is not satisfied with the RC doctrine of transubstantiation. Jesus came once into this world to die for the sins of this world, The Holy Spirit doesnt keep changing the bread & wine into His body & blood in order for a priest to offer it as an unblood death for the sins of this world. Some one has to die a real bloody death for sin & transubstantiation doesnt accomplish this.This isnt my gospel, it is His.
bornagainsaint1 6 months ago
@bornagainsaint1
"Jesus' Father is not satisfied with the RC doctrine of transubstantiation"
So you want me to believe that I should not eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus (John 6:53–58)? Sorry, that is not going to happen. I know for a fact that you were not chosen by Jesus to interpret scripture for me.
Please explain how it is possible to sin by unworthily eating a piece of bread since you don't believe Christ is present in the Eucharist (1 Cor. 11:27–28)!
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
@bornagainsaint1
"Some one has to die a real bloody death for sin & transubstantiation doesnt accomplish this.This isnt my gospel, it is His."
Transubstantiation is not what you want it to mean. Every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are proclaiming his death (The Eucharist in the Mass). A person who eats and drinks without recognizing the body is eating and drinking his own condemnation.
You have been reading too many anti Catholic web sites.
MrChristianBeliever 6 months ago
Beautiful video and thanks for the presence of the Eucharist because it is really poerful. Healing and miracles have taken place through the Eucharist (which is really Jesus). Want miracles urgently, see willann54 Miracle Prayer.
willann54 8 months ago
Thanks for all the beautiful powerpoint presentations, they are absolutely recognized!
realangelove 8 months ago
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Catholicism is the Mass and the Sacraments. The Mass was destroyed in 1962 and the required Sacramental Form was destroyed in 1944. Sorry, it's over. The Church is in a state of auto-demolition as Paul VI stated in 1968. Of course it looks legitimate, but that's how Lucifer wants it. If you want the ability to stand when the punishment comes, UNDERSTAND THE THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA.
The stunning evidence is on
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
Rome has until Aug. 17, 2011 when it will be destroyed
fatimamovement 8 months ago
Wow 4,471 comments, this child came not to condemn, the arguments only hurt them. She has an imaginary friend, because of people like you. Remember not to should on people. My message comes from a fairyland, lies are made from what? Whom shall you fear? A prophet will come, and this is the year of the Jubilee!
realangelove 8 months ago
Does anyone remember in the Bible when Jesus turned water into blood?
ChulaKirby 8 months ago
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@ChulaKirby "Does anyone remember in the Bible when Jesus turned water into blood?"
If he ever did it, it is not recorded in sacred scripture.
Perhaps you're thinking of Rev 16:3 & 4 or Rev 11:6.
In the OT Moses turned the Nile to blood as one of the plagues, but there is no record of Jesus doing any such thing (except of course through Moses as part of the eternal trinity.)
WorkingCatholic 8 months ago
@ChulaKirby There's a lot in the bible. One is John 6:53-58, another one is Luke 22:19, there are also in the Acts when they do the breaking of bread which is now Catholics called the Holy Eucharist. Jesus is the passover lamb parallel when Moses and God's people performed the first passover in Exodus.
glendacumos 7 months ago
@glendacumos Do you remember when Jesus appeared as a burning bush, a column of smoke and column of fire?
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@glendacumos Do you remember when Jesus turned water into blood?
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@ChulaKirby He did not turn the water to blood, but to wine. I am sure you read the bible too. You are testing. Catholics do not invent what they practice.
glendacumos 7 months ago
@glendacumos Yes, I am testing and also challenging you. Catholics believe Jesus is God. Not just any God or a man who became God but the God who became man. He is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob (Israel). Is He not? Is He not "I AM" who rescued the Israelites from the hand of Pharoah? Who sent Moses and Aaron? One of the first signs Moses and Aaron performed was turning water into blood? Was it not God who did this? Do you believe Jesus is God?
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@glendacumos The Catholic Church does not separate the God of the New Testament (covenant) from the God of the Old Testament. It is the same God and Jesus professed and the early Catholic Church preached that Jesus is that God. It was not Moses who commanded the sea and wind and parted the red sea, it was Jesus. It was Jesus who appeared to Abraham. It was Jesus who appeared as a burning bush. It was Jesus who appeared as a column of smoke by day and a column of fire at night. He is God.
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@glendacumos It was Jesus who turned water into blood in Egypt. And it was Jesus who turned water into wine at Cana. And it was Jesus who turned wine into His body, blood, soul, and Divinity. It was Jesus who parted the Red Sea and calmed the Sea of Galilee. This is what the Catholic Church teaches and believes. What individual catholics believe and profess is sometimes quite different but that doesn't change what the Catholic Church teaches and has always professed. Jesus is God.
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@glendacumos Do not Catholics pray and profess every Sunday their faith? "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.Through Him all things were made." Or are these just sounds and words that catholics mumble but have no clue as to what they are praying and professing. I am challenging you to grow in your Catholic faith.
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@ChulaKirby ...and also, this statement must be an answer to my prayers. I've been always wanting my Protestant friends to know about Jesus and His fullness in the Blessed Sacrament, but I don't know how. I only give them flyers with Divine Mercy and Monstrance picture with John 6:53-58 verse. I am sure they are worried that I am a lost sheep, I used to be a Protestant... also this could be mean that Jesus is truly calling me to a religious life, I am so inspired by St. Francis of Assisi. :)
glendacumos 7 months ago
When I was young I was drawn to St Francis and how he responded to the story of the young rich man who encountered Jesus. Almost became a Friar. I've learned a lot since then but there is two things that I know Jesus is calling you too. 1 Himself. And He is appearing all around the world as bread and wine just as He once appeared as smoke and fire in the days of Moses. 2. For you to trust Him to lead you closer to Him. Which ever path He chooses for you. Married, Single, or Religious. Trust Him.
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@glendacumos Can I ask you a question? When Jesus walked along the shores of Galilee he called out to some men to follow Him and they did (Peter, Andrew, James, & John) . On the other side of the shore he healed a man possessed by many demons. After that the man wanted to join Him and follow Him and Jesus told Him to stay and tell others what He had done for him Mk 5:18-20 And the man stayed. Which of these men trusted Jesus and followed Him? Or did all five?
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
@ChulaKirby I would say both (the possessed man and the disciples). The five followed Jesus to be with Him physically as disciples. The other man, though not with Jesus physically, trusted and followed what Jesus told Him. Therefore, Jesus calls us whatever we are, and whatever we do. We are appointed in everyway. We are one body with many parts.
glendacumos 6 months ago
@glendacumos In John 6:53-58 Jesus didn't turn water into blood? Nor did He turn bread and wine into His body and blood. That didn't take place for the first time until the last supper. I am not asking that. I am talking about when Jesus turned water into blood. You remember when He turned water into wine right?
ChulaKirby 7 months ago
Belief in God is a matter of FAITH...not a situation where you are cohersed or talked into an intillectual assesment...
God really does live within you..."Be still" and know that I am God...try that my friend...just be still...ASK HIM to reveal Himself to you and He will.
Even though you may not believe in Him, God believes in you.
tiggerifficone 9 months ago in playlist RELIGIOUS MUSIC
Steve, I still love this song! I challenge you to make some more videos with some most excellent songs as this one.
:)
MrChristianBeliever 9 months ago
OK... I must've cried my eyes out when I first saw this video ever, a couple of years ago. To see the YOUNG PPL...my generation worshiping Jesus in the Eucharist, has got to be one the MOST beautiful things on this Earth. GLORY TO GOD IN THE MOST BLESSED SACRAMENT.PER OMNIA SAECULA, SAECULORUM (4 ever and ever) Amen. I am so broken before You, Lord! :**)
GTarcisius006 9 months ago
Jezu, ufam Tobie!
fraterajp 9 months ago
Also how would eliminating religeon make life simpler? Perhaps poe pot and stalin agree with you, but I don't. Religeon is the ultimate fabric of human understanding and love for one another. When we know and understand that we are all created equal by a power that far surpasses us it keeps us in check. Heck every so called religous war was never entirely religous but over worldy things.
jpop1321 9 months ago
@jpop1321 Religion has good sides, indeed. Community, friendship, respect. But things like that are possible without the whole bullshit around it, I mean do we really need religion as an excuse to get together? Religion is the very foundation of everything you see around you. Traditions, government, war, you name it. It's all about control. Remove that factor and you will have a completely different world. Believe in the world, not God.
OsirisNO 9 months ago
@OsirisNO this foolish the fact that we dont make the world sacred is what has allowed us to do make the advances we've made in science. Religion is not the cause of tradition, government or war in all those cases they are SECULAR if anything they play a bigger cause on religion, even when fighting over religion theres always another underlying factor for the fighting ex the middle east, its not so much Jews vs Muslims but a fight over land.
jpop1321 9 months ago
Its funny, Fatima was witnessed by 70000 people, even atheist who after giving witness to it did not convert, so why lie? Its how you define life, born, live and die. Well by that account every thing else is so simple as well. Heck by that definition why bother with not only religeon but all other things? You also use the word silly to describe the faith, why?
jpop1321 9 months ago
@jpop1321 There is many things I find silly, the way we cloth, the way people pretend to be someone they are not, the monetary system, money, poverty, politics, religion. All things that re completely not needed to survive in this world. I believe in a better world without corruption and bullshit, religion I'm sorry to say is the very foundation of all of it. Created for social control ended up as corruption, money making, debt creating super nations that control our very existence.
OsirisNO 9 months ago
@OsirisNO Lol, so the secular communist totalitarian states are a perfect model for what you just described and their not religious. I agree that when people are not given the choice of whether or not to believe it does become an engine for simple control however thats not the case of Christianity nor Catholicism.
jpop1321 9 months ago
O shucks. Now that the secret is out that Jesus is appearing and becoming present I won't be able to get a parking place at Church this Sunday. What a friend we have in Jesus. What a GOD we have in JESUS. Come one, COME ALL, and worship OUR GOD, The LAMB of GOD who takes away the sin of the world. I better be quiet or I will never get a parking place :)
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
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I just had to comment... it is not the priest who has the power of himself it is the Holy Spirit working though the priest it's not magic.
dwilcox1994 9 months ago
@dwilcox1994 this is a fact.
jpop1321 9 months ago
I just had to comment... it is not the priest who has the power of himself it is the Holy Spirit working though the priest it's not magic.
dwilcox1994 9 months ago 2
@dwilcox1994
Same thing stuck out to me, thanks for commenting
NightShadeslayer 9 months ago
Why do people who are against the Catholic Church always seek out the faithful of the Catholic Church to argue about the Catholic Church? I am sure that there are many other things in this world that you don't agree with, go find those things to argue against. I understand you don't believe in Him. You have your free will to turn the page, change the channel, click the red box with the "X". I can only imagine that it is your anger with God that BROUGHT YOU HERE to fight against His believers.
RobTufel 9 months ago
@RobTufel That is sometimes the way I see it. We are standing with Him, kneeling before Him, receiving Him in our hands, on our tongue, and in our bodies and in our soul. And the two become one flesh (Ephesians 5). They claim to know Him and follow Him and listen to him and believe Him but they don't. Otherwise they would be doing the same as us. They have no roots or history and so they try to take ours. They have no true Christ, who comes to them under the appearance of mere bread and wine.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
Not because he doesn't call them or appear for them but because they reject Him and so He does not appear for them. They do not see Him because deep down they do not really and truly believe Him or trust Him. To love is to trust. All they need to do is to pray to God to open their eyes and their hearts and He would!
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@ChulaKirby
Are you serious? Are you actually making that claim?
Ignorance!
baldonebear 9 months ago
@baldonebear What claim? That we receive Him and they don't? They don't. Ask them. Ask them if they have ever received God in their hand and on their tongue. Ask them what it felt like to kneel in His presense. Ask them if they believe Jesus has the power to appear as mere bread all around the world, at the same time, and feed His people with His most precious body, blood, soul, and Divinity. Ask them if they have ever eaten the Lamb of God in the new covenant meal. Ask them!
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@baldonebear I looked at your page and noticed you were once a Protestant Pastor. What are your insights into the reasons? Are you telling me that as a Protestant Pastor you believed that the bread and wine were turned into Jesus? Or did you start to believe and then became Catholic? Why is it that Catholics leave and reject the teaching, and others come into the fold because of the teaching? To believe this doctrine requires "faitth" and not no mere human "faith". I'm really curious.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@ChulaKirby
I believe that I owe you a huge apology. I admit that I misread your posts and drew an incorrect conclusion.
I became Catholic for many reasons, and space does not allow me to share in full.
I realized that the Mass is 100% focused on the scriptures and Christ for one.
I had spent a lot of time researching in an attempt to find what unites Protestants. What I found is that there is more that divides.
It took 2 years before I became Catholic.
baldonebear 9 months ago
@baldonebear that is okay. It happens when people write. That is why I sought clarification. How long were you a Protestant minister? I bet you were totally blown away when you learned what the Catholic Church REALLY taught. So many Catholics are ignorant or take for granted what they have. I speak from experience. Even thoughI grew up Catholic I feel like I was more Protestant than Catholic. What caused you to question? You can email me if you want.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@ChulaKirby
I wish that I could and the question "Why"? I have wondered that.
I was a minister close to 15 years.
I was blown away. I was Catholic until age 11, then we became Protestant. We were casual Catholics, so one we became Protestant, yes, I was taught lies about the CC.
I am leaving for work soon, so yes, I will send you a PM.
baldonebear 9 months ago
@ChulaKirby
Part 2
The symbolic view of communion never made sense to me. I began to research, through the windows given us by the Apostolic Fathers, and found something much different that the Evangelicals believe and practice.
It finally made sense.
There are those, in my opinion, who were once Catholic, but never understood the big picture. This happens in all denominations, especially with those who are holiday Christians or casual observers.
baldonebear 9 months ago
@baldonebear But why? I can see as children and young adults but why would a believer not place everything in their life to the side and try to determine the truth of this. If God is appearing as bread and wine it would be the greatest of all miracles and the focus of all inquiries. I know a family member who left to become a Protestant minister and other family members think he loves Jesus. But he walked away from Him. He left Him. he loves someone but not Jesus because he left Him.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@ChulaKirby
Part 3
I have known many people who were Catholic, and left during their college age years. One Pastor friend of mine did this, and recently we spoke. He rattled off many things that he claims he was taught that the CC does not even teach...there is confusion.
Thus, if one does not understand the big picture, they fall prey to the lies that some non-Catholic promote concerning the Eucharist, and hold fast to a teaching mad popular in the 16th century by Uldrich Zwingli.
baldonebear 9 months ago
@baldonebear I will agree. I grew up Catholic and went to C school til 8th grade. My siblings went til 12th and left the faith. However, we were not properly taught and that is true. However, there is such a thing of being ignorant due to our own sins. You were far off and sought the truth and came near. They were near and are now far off. Why? I do not know. I believe they lost their faith. We can ship wreck our faith by sin. I do know this, they do not believe in the Eucharist
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
It is like the parable of the story of the seeds that fell on rocky soil, pathway, thorns, etc. I pray for them and pray for myself. There are those who are ignorant thru NO FAULT of their own and there are those who are ignorant due to their own fault. I do not know which is which in regards to them or others BUT I do know ignorance of Christ and the Eucharist. And so I try to pick up and carry my cross for love of them. So they might come to receive Christ in the Eucharist.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@RobTufel Read what you actually wrote, doesn't make sense. Stop trying so hard.
OsirisNO 9 months ago
God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
God bless you and be brave
JezusSlave 10 months ago
@stevesilvia. Why would Jesus want to officiate at a sacrifice that doesnt involve Him(transubstantiation)? The sacrifice I'm talking about is the unbloody offering of the bread and wine. Why should He participate in such a sacrifice? Why would Jesus want to help the RCpriest offer Himself in an unbloody sacrifice for thesins of the world? Jesusdied a bloody sacrifice that pardons all sin. Heb 13:10 means that no more sacrifices will be offered, let alone be eaten.
bornagainsaint1 10 months ago
@bornagainsaint1 Love. Jesus loves us. Love is sacrifice. Love is an offering. Love is the giving of one's self. Love is a choice. Love is a decision. Love is an act of the will. An eternal loving God has offered an eternal loving sacrifice. He is a priest forever. Why? because His sacrifice is forever. Don't you see? God and His love transcends time and space. It becomes present for us at Mass but it is the same. Do you know what "testament" means? Covenant....the New Testament.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
When I open my heart and mind I see lies everywhere. Lies, people are hiding behind because of Faith, because of Tradition, because it's the only way they know how to survive. People like you need saving, not me. Honestly, you should be the one to seek the truth and when you do it will set you free. It will set you free but also make you angry, because you have been lied to your entire life.
OsirisNO 10 months ago
Let's build a world where we are not afraid of the unknown. Let's build a world where we believe in ourselves and the planet we live on. Let's stop being blinded by our faith. Stop pretending being someone you are not. Don't try to deny it, just stand up and open your eyes. Let's stop trying so hard to convince ourselves there is a reason why we are here. Let's just live our lives, together. Without any of this nonsense. Let's wake up and build a future. It's in YOUR hands, not God's.
OsirisNO 10 months ago
@OsirisNO My hands are NOTHING... the hands of a wicked sinner. Only through GOD do my hands work any GOOD at all.
As a recovering Atheist, I understand it all too well....
drdst17 10 months ago
@drdst17 Excusing your actions after believing in God, fantastic. Good luck with that, that's probably the biggest Con on the planet. Also there is no such thing as an Athiest, no such thing as a believer. There are just humans and their sick minds and what they come up with.
OsirisNO 10 months ago
@OsirisNO What do they use to come up with this stuff? An intellect? A will? Ever notice what man can do with his mind and his will? It is amazing? But matter and atoms and the elements in chemestry have niether mind nor will. Sick and wicked are only understood in relation to something else which is Health and Blessed. Matter and atoms coming together don't account for these terms you use. There is something more than matter and atoms.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@OsirisNO I opened my eyes and heart and saw a world with mountains, plants and trees, and birds of the air and oceans with fish and whales and all kinds of animals crawling, walking, and running around on the planet and knew they could not just appear and come from nothing. Something had to bring them into existance. Something cannot come from nothing therefore something must have always existed. I asked them all, and all said "No not I". And then god spoke His eternal Word, the Eucharist.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
@ChulaKirby You know something or someone had to bring everything in existence, I'm with you there. But how can you make such a huge jump from knowing that and believing that there is an invisible person in the sky who created all of this with (magic?) his bare hands, then wrote a book about it and got weird old men in robes to read/teach about it. To me that sounds like a man scared of the truth, hiding behind a fairy tale, just like little kids do.
OsirisNO 9 months ago
@OsirisNO LOL..........I wouldn't believe that, if I did I would be an athiest. Many years (decades) ago when I was in college I took a philosophy class. One of the first subjects or inquiries of the philosophers was what is everything made of or where did everything come from. I learned some believed that matter was eternal and realized they believed the same as me in regards to something existing forever. The difference was matter did not have a will or an intellect.
ChulaKirby 9 months ago
I knew intelligence and will existed. Humans have intelligence and will but where does it come from? Is it possible a spirit (non matter) being exists that has intelligence and will and no beginning? That might sound crazy but it is just as crazy if not crazier to say that matter (atoms) have existed for all eternity with no beginning and no intelligence or will. Intelligence and will CANNOT COME from matter. Does this make sense?
ChulaKirby 9 months ago