The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2008 | COPYRIGHT 1993
Vulgate [Lat. Vulgata editio =common edition], most ancient extant version of the whole Christian Bible . Its name derives from a 13th-century reference to it as the "editio vulgata." The official Latin version of the Roman Catholic Church, it was prepared c.AD 383-AD 405 by St. Jerome (c.342-420) at the request of Pope St. Damasus I , his patron. The Vulgate was intended to replace the Old Latin version (the "Itala"
@truthfulreply Who do you think the false teachers are today? Why do you think the Lord calls the churches now harlots? and to come out of them? I guess that was a lie.
@truthfulreply I'll type these out mentioned earlier to relate to the verses in Proverbs.
Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. <-------- not a billion + members and global ambassadors from the church in each nation with influence
@OriahLivingston I'll can find that and all clear answers-I'll get back on this. ALSO YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE RCC TEACHES US NOT TO DO_TAKE VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT.
READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER! Who was this addressed to,when,how where was this verse stated? Who stated it-What events did or didnt take place?? What did the original wriings state-VERBATIM-i in what language? You need a course in biblical code languages/words,Hebrew,Greek- &,Araimaic, What seminary.did you attend?
@truthfulreply I'm taking it out of context...yet you feel the need to check up on it, so in another words you don't know the context either, yet you automatically claim I don't....
@truthfulreply Yah but you only follow Isaiah 28:10 when it fits your own Catholic beliefs, never when there's something that speaks against it. You then call me a text proofer when I use line upon line and what the clergy have indoctrinated in your head growing up (their books) that they compiled to tell you what truth is.
@OriahLivingston Well thats good-@ least you are attending.You can't read through the bible like a novel-or you lose it after a few books. You need to read the historical books in chronilogical order -so you know who is who-when events took place,where it is taking place.where in time this is being said EtcThen the other books fit in.Genesis sets the stage & your bible should be catsgorized[history,phophetic etc.]
@truthfulreply I believe that Christ gave us a teaching Church as history tells us-to discipher the biblical passages. You are entitled to have your own opinion. Every single person would come up with its own interpretation if thats the case-theres only one truth & we all cant be right.Besides most were illiterate the first Millen to even read & it didnt go into print til Gutenberg press-so theres more to a faith than just the bible-theres sacred traditions that were orally taught first.
@truthfulreply I hate to break it to you, but you don't have to attend church to have faith. I can study everything someone else can sitting in a pew. It's practicing what you read. Faith doesn't come listening to a sermon, it comes from having a daily involvement and relationship with Christ, that's given from Him. Don't even refute that b/c otherwise you have just deceived yourself.
@truthfulreply To prove my point, answer this one question. Do you have to be a member of the Catholic church to be saved? If you say yes, then you think being a member of a church saves you & not faith or your trust in having Christ cover you. Also saying so, are protestants not going to be saved then? If they are, what difference does it make if we are part of your church or not? Think on that question. If that's the case, you are involved by choice not b/c it earns you any heavenly hierarchy.
@OriahLivingston what does the Bible say about the Church does it say it is the pillar of truth or does it say reading your bible is the Pillar of truth which came first the church or the Bible. How did the first christians read the Bible since for the first 1600 years of christianity their was no printing press and most were unable to read
@martlut The Bible was written before the name Catholic was ever invented smart guy. Hey answer the question I sent to truthful reply. Is anyone who is not a Catholic damned? Because saying yes makes you a cultist. If you say no, who cares if we are or aren't then as protestants and with that you are there because you think it makes you more righteous and/or will earn you some heavenly hierarchy, which is a false belief instituted by you. I'm saved by my relationship w/Christ, not the damn pope.
@OriahLivingston Hilarious The Bible was written before the name Catholic was ever invented I wonder who Invented the word Bible I wonder when the first Bible was cannonized and when the first use of the word catholic was used and I wonder who cannonized that first Bible.you know with all the Books we have in it today and who chose those books I also wonder who trnslated those books and the date.
@martlut Does your church claim responsibility for the King James Version? which the Strong's Concordance translates from? It doesn't from any other Bible.
Tell me, are you fluent in Latin btw and if not how the @#$%^& do you even know what you are being preached? What do you think happened when those finally stopped listening to Latin and read the Bible after it was translated? Ask the murderous Jesuits.
It kills me you are trying to preach to someone and not even speaking their language!
@OriahLivingston so you think the KJV is the First Bible what a laugh tell me who was the first to translat Bibles into other Langauges. What does Vulgate Mean
@martlut I'm going to read the book to you as pope, but I'm going to read it in Latin even though it's a dead language and no fricken person can understand a @#$%^ word I am saying...did I get my word across??? Amen! I am so glad you are all so educated! Give me some feedback and speak Russian back so I too can partake of the confusion.
@OriahLivingston Tell me when was the Bible written and who selected the books that are in it their were many other gospels and letters around who chose what made the grade
@martlut Well you want to start with Genesis? Study the cosmos, try 13.7 billion years ago. There is no date after all, yes? And the 7 days weren't consecutive were they?
@truthfulreply Romans 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
I read the preface passage & whole chapter if need be.You read a sentence or two.My bible is English translated from new Latin which was transcribed from the Old Latin
by the Catholic church- which was transcribed from orig. language it was written . There are different dialects of Greek -Thats why Anticatholics state Peter is a stone- instead of a rock--which was from the orig Greek that it was written in.
@OriahLivingston Catholicism is a continuation of Judaism -we encompass both OT & NT. what are you asking? I told you that we follow the NEW EVERLASTING COVENANT IFULFILLED THRU CHRIST.
@truthfulreply Is that so? So then you believe Christ is in the heavenly tabernacle not made by human hands acting as our high priest. In other words all that stuff you have in church discredits that. Who is your high priest? I can show in the Bible where it say christ is ours. Do you have an earthly high priest that you allow every year to cleanse you like in Leviticus? Which was DONE AWAY WITH? The OLD COVENANT in an EARTHLY TABERNACLE? Do you kill animals as well or is that still preserved?
@OriahLivingston guess your your own infalliable high priest gee lets see the OYT was done away with so thirefore folloowing this reasoning the sabbath was done away with as well and dont forget those commandments throw them out 2
@martlut Right, after all, the Bible say carnal ordinances or commandments written in ordinances, not on stone, not "inside" the ark. But go ahead, throw out the only thing God Himself ever wrote to fit your own church doctrine and embarrassment. Catholic quote from you: Throw out God's Law and follow the Catholic carnal laws.
@OriahLivingston ARE YOU LOOKING @ ALL THE PARALLEL VERSES & then REFERRING TO THE FIRST MENTION ??It is against this background that we must look at the passages in Luke 13:22-27
@OriahLivingston LOOK @ WHO THESE VERSES ARE ADDRESSED TO-TAKE A BIBLICAL STUDY COURSE WITH CLERGY THAT HAVE YEARS OF STUDIES IN ALL THE BIBLICAL LANGUAGES OF THE ORIG.WRITINGS AND SALVATION HISTORY IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER THRU THE VARIOUS COVENANTS.
@truthfulreply You can quote furthermore anything you'd like, copy and past page and a half long nonsense responses to my message box trying to earn an upper hand for yourself. I'm not buying it Catholic, look around you, narrow is the path and very few find it, (Matthew 7:13-14) doesn't seem like your church is the few assembled body you are the opposite Mr 1 billion.
This video is on youtube elsewhere-I saw it-it was taken @ the Bohemian Grove in Calif.--It is supposedly a video of one of those evil secret societies. It has absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism or any other Christian church.
A great video on youtube-heritage of the early church-"-Saints & Sinners" aired on History International channel-it clarifies a lot of misconceptions to those outside of the Catholic faith & is interesting to those w/in the church.
To all who stumble upon this page. You must be a Catholic according to truthfulreply & catholicrocks1 to be saved. You must tithe & worship on Sunday & attend daily mass if you are in school. You must also bow before the pope & call him infallible (unable to lie) & compare him equal to or greater to the Bible & rely upon the word of him as an addition to the bible even though it says not to add to the word. If you pray to Mary, ask a priest to forgive you or self merit through works you're saved
Satan hates not being God. He is only a creature. His hatred refracts into a hatred of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, which is the ONLY power against him in this world. He does not waste his time on FALSE RELIGIONS,HERETICS & BRAGGARTS.. HE HATES THE SACRAMENT OF RECONCILIATION and TEARS DOWN CONFESSIONALS because HE WANTS TO SEPARATE MAN FROM GOD.
@lying replys ...peter was "recognised as being the first pope "by only pagan catholics who forged and lied their way through history to rob both rich and poor .
cephas = rock blah blah lah who's a pretty boy parrot ?
@lyingcomments :- Peter will condemn your pagan , satanic twisting of Christianity which you call catholicism ! You WILL be Judged . I am already saved by GRACE "
Most all Churches claim to be the Church of truth. Who do you believe? Which one is right? Which Church does the Bible say is the Church of truth? The Church of truth is spelled out in the Bible. It is the only Church that was given the authority, the one in whom the Holy Spirit dwells forever, John 14:15-17.
"For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood."
Satan hates not being God. He is only a creature. His hatred refracts into a hatred of the Church, which is the only power against him in this world. He does not waste his time on false religions, heretics and braggarts. He hates the Sacrament of Reconciliation and tears down Confessionals because he wants to separate man from God.
The Catholic Church is the ONLY one with confession-why doesn't your church have it??
@truthfulreply On the contrary, Lucifer loves to deceive and to do so means to lie to someone and make them believe it's the truth..dates all the way back to Genesis 3. How do you think Lucifer will deceive those in the faith being the scriptual lawyer? Narrow is the path yes? The catholics even lutherans for ex. don't adapt the same 10 commandments as listed in the bible, yet yours has the most mainstream influence and fellowship. How is he to make himself known globally through a small sect?
@OriahLivingston The big lie that many protestants believe in today is that good works are useless, and that all that is required to get into heaven is to profess your belief in Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior, words which are not found in the bible, by the way. While this is certainly true for deathbed conversions, it is not true for those of us who are alive and well and believe in Jesus today. Many protestants are confused about the meaning of the word “works”.
@truthfulreply Explain works b/c you'd like to sit there & throw out the 10 commandments, yet you are the ones saying if I do & do & do then I will be. Christ did & did & did for you. It's about involving Christ in your life & having the faith that He is there at all times guiding you to follow & live through His law (commandments) How else do you show your love & respect for your Lord & neighbor/man. In Mark the entire law is summed up in two commandments: love your God/neighbor/10 commandments
@OriahLivingston If you interested in the Catholic Church-join RCIA-I'm not an instructor & they can better answer you questions as so many people are mis guided. The Catechism of the catholic Church can give you our faith in black & white.It is clearly explained. Have a good night & God bless.
@truthfulreply You are saved when you accept Christ is your savior and by that, by faith, I mean that having the faith to know and feel his presence in your everyday life. The foundation you have built by having the holy spirit present in your life and knowing that God will take control of your life for you when you give yourself over to Him. That is true belief. Self merits accomplish nothing.
@truthfulreply Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 7:24 - Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Building your foundation on Christ! but not you, yours is on Peter
@truthfulreply Again let me quote rock, building your house on a strong foundation (rock) that would be Peter? or Christ? I can't even believe I have to ask this it's so sad, but then again that's why you are so confused about the way they spoke in Matthew 16:18 & thinking this rock means a 2nd person quote. Who speaks like that anyway? Wouldn't you say and on YOU I will build my church? Um ya I think you would. Is Peter a strong foundation? Do you build your church on the word of Peter? Ugh...
@truthfulreply Jesus founded my FAITH ! your CHURCH was satanic from its inception in AD 300 . Peter never ever started a faith called catholic > Peter will stand next to Jesus and condemn Catholic church to Hel
Jesus founded a church-LOOK in your bible-or don't your understand English?
It was in fact founded on St Peter. Look in ALL encyclopedias. Look @ the ONLY CHURCH TRACED VISIBLY TO CHRIST. If you can't see this-you lack common sense.
Now go to your local library & find the facts. HISTORY DOESN'T LIE--ONLY PEOPLE LIE.
@truthfulreply You are an idiot, sorry for the put down. Pick up a strongs concordance and look up rock in Matthew 16:18, it means petra in the Greek which means rock but the same word is used in 1 Corinthians 10:4 when describing christ. Why on earth would you not think that Peter was calling christ that rock and on that rock He would build His church? Why would Christ build the church on a man and not His own word. I mean what the heck dude. Ya the church is based upon Peter not the Lord..huh?
@truthfulreply Lucifer is going to come down through your church b/c it has the strongest influence...if you were him, where is the one place you would hide...think about it...Lucifer is going to back the Catholic church. People who keep the Lord's day will be persecuted first. Sunday law has already started in Europe. Google it, just wait till it gets here & Sabbatarians disobey. The mark in your hand or head is what you preach (hand) & what you believe (head) what will you follow? pope or God?
@truthfulreply I am not a member of any church...but I can tell you out of all the mainstream churches I have been to...Seventh Day Adventists have the scripture down most. I know you'll stay Catholic, I'm just trying to give you some feedback. Defend your faith all you want, you have the right to. I'm just looking out for you guys and cult followers...honestly...Again no church is perfect biblically, but they are the most devout christians I have ever met. That's just what I have observed...
The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2008 | Copyright
Saint Peter d. AD 64?, most prominent of the Twelve Apostles, listed first in the Gospels, and traditionally the first bishop of Rome. His original name was Simon, but Jesus gave him the nickname Cephas [Aramaic, = rock], which was translated into Greek as Petros [Gr. petra
First Bishop of Rome is the Pope.
Be sure to tell all the publishers that you know better than them!!!!
The Concise Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church | 2000 | E. A. LIVINGSTONE
Little is known of his later years. The tradition connecting him with Rome is early and unrivalled. The later tradition attributing to him an episcopate of 25 years in Rome is less well supported. His death is placed in the reign of Nero (54–68) and was probably in the persecution of 64. There are historical grounds for believing that his tomb in St Peter's, Rome, is authentic.
Encyclopædia Britannica Saint Peter the Apostle, original name Simeon, or Simōn (died c. ad 64, Rome), disciple of Jesus Christ, recognized in the early Christian church as the leader of the disciples and by the Roman Catholic church as the first of its unbroken succession of popes. Peter, a fisherman, was called to be a disciple of Jesus at the beginning of his ministry. He received from Jesus the name Cephas (i.e., Rock, hence Peter, from the Latin petra).
@truthfulreply A church is (group of people) is based upon beliefs. What is yours founded upon? Those who read from the Catechism and other books besides the Bible? Kind of like the Mormons with the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith and the Bible or the Watch Tower and Charles Taze Russell version of the Bible for Jehovah's Witness and the Talmud and then any Bible reading etc etc see a trend? Did christ ever read from the catechism? or is anything He preached found directly in the Bible? Prays..
"In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots."
Author Unknown...
"No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that."
@truthfulreply Teaching church?? What is taught in church you: Mr. are my sheep but don't hear me because you are stupid? Bahhhhhh! Bahhhhhh! off a cliff. What is preached?????? Do I even need to answer this?? He came here to "FOUND a group of people who will "STUDY HIS WORD" that is what is undivided as a church (group of people) not I go to a Catholic church and do all these things yadda yadda yadda. Grow UPPPPPP! Your whole belief is a scandal! Being a catholic doesn't make you fricken Godly!
@truthfulreply A fool also doesn't "reply truthfully" when shown the book of Daniel, describing the statue and Daniel 7:25 which clearly indicates the papacy ruling for 1260 days/years (time, times and a diving of times going by the 360 day hebrew calendar used then) it's all in the bible. I guess you are smarter than the word of God though because you grew up that way. Do the research and prove me wrong, tell me what other governing body ruled from 538-1798. Hmmph! that's what I thought. NIGHT!
@OriahLivingston And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time
Papacy has been ruling for ~2000 years! This book correlates with Antichrist where have you been? RMEMBER THE CATHOLIC COMPILED SCRIPTURES-WHY WOULD SHE SET HERSELF UP FOR FAILURE. YOUR ENGLISH BIBLE IS NOT TRANSCRIBED FROM ORIG WRITINGS!
@truthfulreply lol omg type this in google, I just did it myself:
papacy ruled from 538-1798 See what pops up.
The KJV is the closest translated version to the manuscript. What book correlates with Antichrist? Your church is the antichrist or the beast and the wound to the head was when the reformation happened and you guys lost control. Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit, and he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy which was the basis of Futurism which you guys have now spread to all protestant churches.
@truthfulreply lol omg type this in google, I just did it myself:
papacy ruled from 538-1798 See what pops up.
The KJV is the closest translated version to the manuscript. What book correlates with Antichrist? Your church is the antichrist or the beast and the wound to the head was when the reformation happened and you guys lost control. Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit, and he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy which was the basis of Futurism which you guys have now spread to all protestant churches.
The KJV is the closest translated version to the manuscript. What book correlates w/ Antichrist? Your church is the antichrist or the beast & the wound to the head was when the reformation happened & you guys lost control. Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit & he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy which was the basis of Futurism which you guys have now spread to all protestant churches to take the finger off you.
@OriahLivingston You have no clue on the Book of Revelations--it is the past,present & future The next thing you will be saying is tha catholic church is the whore of Babylon- What has taken the RCC 100s of years to discipher-you proudfully think you know what it means-The RCC uses hundred of biblical scholars & theologians & ones that know biblical code words & languages.You & I couldnt live enough life times for all this knowledhe-BE REAL! Thats why there are 33000 Potestor denominations
@OriahLivingston yes-it LOOKS like SATAN IS WORKING OVERTIME-fruitless garbage from uneducated negative people-just opinions-dont hold any weight to truths. I'll stick with the historical roots of my faith-evidence is written-read the Early Church Fathers Letters -or haven't you heard of them? Probably not-Protest[or/ant] ministers discourage their readings of truth-THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOOD NOW -WOULDNT THEY? Youve wasted enough of my time-your replies are fruitless & will be deleted
@truthfulreply Satan is working overtime you hold the pope equal to the Bible. I mean wtf lol that is major spiritual illness. I can't believe you have the audacity to say Satan is continued....
@truthfulreply ..present here, the Holy Spirit moves me to talk. Who is the beast and false prophet thrown in the lake of fire which ISN'T HERE YET? & I don't know Revelation? Enlighten me, pleasee do
@truthfulreply If you want to quote SDA's let talk about Ellen G White and how she spoke of Sunday Law coming. She predicted this about oh a century and a half ago. Guess what it's hit Europe, they had one of their first conferences back in June. You can't buy or sell on Sunday in many countries. Sounds like a law to me. If it makes it's way here & who knows? What will you do then? defend your pope? Something tells me you will take the mark and defend your order to the death. Peace be with you.
@truthfulreply Am I attacking you as a person? or am I protesting against your sect? Isn't that what protestantism comes from? Hint hint? Are we all supposed to rejoin your church? Are we still not to protest against the Catholic church which we all broke away from anymore? If not, I guess your wound is almost healed again and the end must be drawing near. Why do you think the reformation happened man? When the Bible was finally translated for people to read for themselves and they got educated.
@truthfulreply Am I attacking you as a person? or am I protesting against your sect? Isn't that what protestantism comes from? Hint hint? Are we all supposed to rejoin your church? Are we still not to protest against the Catholic church which we all broke away from anymore? If not, I guess your wound is almost healed again and the end must be drawing near. Why do you think the reformation happened man? When the Bible was finally translated for people to read for themselves and they got educated.
@truthfulreply Am I attacking you as a person? or am I protesting against your sect? Isn't that what protestantism comes from? Hint hint? Are we all supposed to rejoin your church? Are we still not to protest against the Catholic church which we all broke away from anymore? If not, I guess your wound is almost healed again and the end must be drawing near. Why do you think the reformation happened man? When the Bible was finally translated for people to read for themselves and they got educated.
@OriahLivingston If you think the nearly 2000 yr old church needed reforming-thats your right & belief Me-I don't believe that-as it makes a liar out of Christ-MATTHEW 16:18-19
@OriahLivingston Im sending you the scriptures on this-YOU SEND me the scriptures that state us not to -as you believe-Also-why not baptize yourself & marry yourselves-you did away with all the other sacraments.
@truthfulreply I can't reply to your messages, so you would be wasting your time it always says I have to enter some comma thingy when I hit send so...
@OriahLivingston I. Jesus Christ Granted the Apostles His Authority to Forgive Sins
John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins
@OriahLivingstonJohn20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.
YOU THINK THIS SACRAMENT STOPPED WITH THE APOSTLES? THIS WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE
@truthfulreply What does the verse say? Who else does it mention? No private interpretations (2 Peter 1:20) God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33)
@OriahLivingston Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.
@truthfulreply Isaiah 9:6 as I'm sure you have heard: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, (here we go) ----> The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Yawn keep defending your church...
@OriahLivingston Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to "men." Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles' successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?
@OriahLivingston Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth.
@OriahLivingston James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man's authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says “Therefore, confess our sins to one another,” in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church.
@OriahLivingston 1 Tim. 2:5 - Christ is the only mediator, but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness.
@OriahLivingston Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.
@OriahLivingston Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth.
@OriahLivingston Acts 19:18 - many came to orally confess sins and divulge their sinful practices. Oral confession was the practice of the early Church just as it is today.
Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5 - again, this shows people confessing their sins before others as an historical practice (here to John the Baptist).
1 Tim. 6:12 - this verse also refers to the historical practice of confessing both faith and sins in the presence of many witnesses.
Num. 5:7 - this shows the historical practice of publicly confessing sins, and making public restitution.
2 Sam. 12:14 - even though the sin is forgiven, there is punishment due for the forgiven sin. David is forgiven but his child was still taken (the consequence of his sin).
Neh. 9:2-3 - the Israelites stood before the assembly and confessed sins publicly and interceded for each other.
@OriahLivingston 1 John 5:16-17; Luke 12:47-48 - there is a distinction between mortal and venial sins. This has been the teaching of the Catholic Church for 2,000 years, but, today, most Protestants no longer agree that there is such a distinction. Mortal sins lead to death and must be absolved in the sacrament of reconciliation. Venial sins do not have to be confessed to a priest, but the pious Catholic practice is to do so in order to advance in our journey to holiness.
@OriahLivingston Matt. 5:19 - Jesus teaches that breaking the least of commandments is venial sin (the person is still saved but is least in the kingdom), versus mortal sin (the person is not saved).
@OriahLivingstonTHE CCC DOES NOT TEACH THIS LIE THAT YOU QUOTED ABOUT POPE JOHN.
As the Father hath sent me". Now it is beyond doubt that He came into the world to destroy sin and that on various occasions He explicitly forgave sin (Matthew 9:2-8; Luke 5:20; 7:47; Revelation 1:5), hence the forgiving of sin is to be included in the mission of the Apostles.
@davidthomasmorton Since the Protestant reformation &the subsequent separation by them from the Catholic Church, Protestantism lost the teaching arm of the Catholic Church and the holding of Sacred Tradition. In so doing, they reverted to a condemnation of holding all tradition, both Sacred & man-made They then turned to the only resource they had left, the Holy Bible, a product of the Catholic Church by the way. At about the same time, they invented a new man-made doctrine called Sola Scriptura
"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian."
St. Athanasius, Letter to Serapion of Thmuis, 359 A.D..
NOW I DONT WONDER WHY PROTESTANT MINSTERS DISCOURAGE THEIR MEMBERS FROM READING_THEEARLY CHURCH FATHERS LETTERS
"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart... When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D..
"Here is the shotgun analogy. Fire a Protestant shotgun and a Catholic shotgun at a wall. The pattern will be the opinions of those within, liberal, conservative, etc. With the Catholic, we always know who is at the center, the Pope and the Magisterium. With the Protestant, how can we determine who is in the center?"
Marcus Grodi, ex Protestant minister, now Catholic...
"Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation."
"No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that."
"For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood."
Some say the Papacy is a fabrication of the Catholic Church.
Well, let us look at Holy Scripture and see what we can find...
GOD, who is Himself a "Father Figure", has always provided a human "Father Figure", a "Chief Shepherd", a visible leader on earth to act as a liaison between Himself and His people.
@truthfulreply I know it is lol read Daniel 7:25 (time, times and a dividing of time)
Time 1 year
Times 2 years
Dividing of times/half a time 1/2 year = 3 1/2 years and form a Jewish calendar which was 360 days and days equals years if you heard the verse, if not, ask. That adds up to 1260 days/years which was exactly how long the papacy ruled from 538-1798....have you not read? Is it possible you can say I'm not going to respond on how I was raised and what church I am in and study the message?
. In the Old Testament, His Chief Shepherds were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, and David, to name a few. In the New Testament, the "Father Figure", and "Chief Shepherd", of GOD's people, the Church, is Saint Peter. His successors down through the centuries are affectionately called, Papa, or let us use the Italian word meaning the same as father, the Pope.
"And Pharaoh (the King) said unto Joseph (a Father Figure),
'For as much as GOD has shown you all of this, there is none so discreet and wise as you are: You shall be over my house, and according to your word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than you'. And Pharaoh said to Joseph, 'See, I have set you over all the land of Egypt'. And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain around his neck..."
Keys have always been used as a symbol of power and authority for the Jews. He who has the key can open the locked door. He who has not the key remains locked out. The one who has the key has all authority over who enters through the locked door. If He shuts (locks), no one can open (unlock). I
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truthfulreply 1 week ago
Vulgate
The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2008 | COPYRIGHT 1993
Vulgate [Lat. Vulgata editio =common edition], most ancient extant version of the whole Christian Bible . Its name derives from a 13th-century reference to it as the "editio vulgata." The official Latin version of the Roman Catholic Church, it was prepared c.AD 383-AD 405 by St. Jerome (c.342-420) at the request of Pope St. Damasus I , his patron. The Vulgate was intended to replace the Old Latin version (the "Itala"
truthfulreply 1 week ago
OPEN ANY ECMCYCLPEDIA @ YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY-2000 YR OLD CHURCH CAN BE VISIBLY TRACED.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Who do you think the false teachers are today? Why do you think the Lord calls the churches now harlots? and to come out of them? I guess that was a lie.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston i think you could be considered a false teacher
martlut 5 days ago
@martlut Quote straight from a Catholic I spoke with yesterday: the church is authority not the Bible. Choose wisely who you call a false teacher.
OriahLivingston 5 days ago
@OriahLivingston which came first the church or the bible
martlut 5 days ago
@martlut Which came first the Bible or the Council of Nicaea?
OriahLivingston 4 days ago
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@OriahLivingston the council of nicea had notthing to do with the cannonization of the Bible
martlut 4 days ago
@martlut Which************ church. Thank you, your body is the temple of Christ not some building.
OriahLivingston 4 days ago
Pope John Paul NEVER stated that-it it another lie against the Catholic church. The media love creating more scandals.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I'll type these out mentioned earlier to relate to the verses in Proverbs.
Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. <-------- not a billion + members and global ambassadors from the church in each nation with influence
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston I'll can find that and all clear answers-I'll get back on this. ALSO YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE RCC TEACHES US NOT TO DO_TAKE VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT.
READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER! Who was this addressed to,when,how where was this verse stated? Who stated it-What events did or didnt take place?? What did the original wriings state-VERBATIM-i in what language? You need a course in biblical code languages/words,Hebrew,Greek- &,Araimaic, What seminary.did you attend?
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I'm taking it out of context...yet you feel the need to check up on it, so in another words you don't know the context either, yet you automatically claim I don't....
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston I reads through the passages as a whole-I don't take ones opinion for it-there are too many factors that come into play.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Yah but you only follow Isaiah 28:10 when it fits your own Catholic beliefs, never when there's something that speaks against it. You then call me a text proofer when I use line upon line and what the clergy have indoctrinated in your head growing up (their books) that they compiled to tell you what truth is.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Did you attend seminary school for @ least 8 yyears? Neither did I address this to A Catholic Clergy!
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply No I didn't even attend church until labor day. Give me 8 years.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Well thats good-@ least you are attending.You can't read through the bible like a novel-or you lose it after a few books. You need to read the historical books in chronilogical order -so you know who is who-when events took place,where it is taking place.where in time this is being said EtcThen the other books fit in.Genesis sets the stage & your bible should be catsgorized[history,phophetic etc.]
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I believe that Christ gave us a teaching Church as history tells us-to discipher the biblical passages. You are entitled to have your own opinion. Every single person would come up with its own interpretation if thats the case-theres only one truth & we all cant be right.Besides most were illiterate the first Millen to even read & it didnt go into print til Gutenberg press-so theres more to a faith than just the bible-theres sacred traditions that were orally taught first.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply So in other words you're right and everyone else is wrong. All cults think that.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston All Religions believe that--otherwise they wouldn't have faith!
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I hate to break it to you, but you don't have to attend church to have faith. I can study everything someone else can sitting in a pew. It's practicing what you read. Faith doesn't come listening to a sermon, it comes from having a daily involvement and relationship with Christ, that's given from Him. Don't even refute that b/c otherwise you have just deceived yourself.
OriahLivingston 6 days ago
@truthfulreply To prove my point, answer this one question. Do you have to be a member of the Catholic church to be saved? If you say yes, then you think being a member of a church saves you & not faith or your trust in having Christ cover you. Also saying so, are protestants not going to be saved then? If they are, what difference does it make if we are part of your church or not? Think on that question. If that's the case, you are involved by choice not b/c it earns you any heavenly hierarchy.
OriahLivingston 6 days ago
@OriahLivingston what does the Bible say about the Church does it say it is the pillar of truth or does it say reading your bible is the Pillar of truth which came first the church or the Bible. How did the first christians read the Bible since for the first 1600 years of christianity their was no printing press and most were unable to read
martlut 5 days ago
@martlut The Bible was written before the name Catholic was ever invented smart guy. Hey answer the question I sent to truthful reply. Is anyone who is not a Catholic damned? Because saying yes makes you a cultist. If you say no, who cares if we are or aren't then as protestants and with that you are there because you think it makes you more righteous and/or will earn you some heavenly hierarchy, which is a false belief instituted by you. I'm saved by my relationship w/Christ, not the damn pope.
OriahLivingston 5 days ago
@OriahLivingston Hilarious The Bible was written before the name Catholic was ever invented I wonder who Invented the word Bible I wonder when the first Bible was cannonized and when the first use of the word catholic was used and I wonder who cannonized that first Bible.you know with all the Books we have in it today and who chose those books I also wonder who trnslated those books and the date.
martlut 5 days ago
@martlut Does your church claim responsibility for the King James Version? which the Strong's Concordance translates from? It doesn't from any other Bible.
Tell me, are you fluent in Latin btw and if not how the @#$%^& do you even know what you are being preached? What do you think happened when those finally stopped listening to Latin and read the Bible after it was translated? Ask the murderous Jesuits.
It kills me you are trying to preach to someone and not even speaking their language!
OriahLivingston 4 days ago
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@OriahLivingston so you think the KJV is the First Bible what a laugh tell me who was the first to translat Bibles into other Langauges. What does Vulgate Mean
martlut 4 days ago
@martlut I'm going to read the book to you as pope, but I'm going to read it in Latin even though it's a dead language and no fricken person can understand a @#$%^ word I am saying...did I get my word across??? Amen! I am so glad you are all so educated! Give me some feedback and speak Russian back so I too can partake of the confusion.
OriahLivingston 4 days ago
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@OriahLivingston by the way the first english bible was translated by the catholic church
martlut 4 days ago
@OriahLivingston Tell me when was the Bible written and who selected the books that are in it their were many other gospels and letters around who chose what made the grade
martlut 5 days ago
@martlut Well you want to start with Genesis? Study the cosmos, try 13.7 billion years ago. There is no date after all, yes? And the 7 days weren't consecutive were they?
OriahLivingston 4 days ago
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@OriahLivingston A day most certainly could be a billion years tell me about the cause and the Before
martlut 4 days ago
@truthfulreply The first five books, I know.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston One is our present passage about
the narrow way, the other is that of the banquet in Mt. 22:1-14 and Luke
14:15-24. The version in Matthew ends with "Many are called but few are
chosen." Jesus seems to have in mind at last primarily the Jews, and not
all persons.--The word "many" almost certainly reflects Hebrew "rabbim,"
which means the all who are many. So it means all Jews were invited to the
messianic kingdom - few were entering. So the path is narrow.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Lol but then you say in another comment not to rest on this message if you are a Jew. You've studied how long?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston What is this in reference to?
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Where did I say that?
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply When you said not to rest on Abraham, then above you put Jesus seems to have in mind at least primarily the Jews.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston First, is it inherently likely Jesus would
reveal the truth on the matter? Hardly. To say most are saved could lead
to laxity. To say most are lost could easily bring despair.
So, what He seems to mean is this: You people think you have it made
because Abraham is your Father. But you do not. Do not rest on that, get
going and work out your salvation.
Further, there were two Scriptural passages whose seeming sense led so
many Fathers to take pessimistic view.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Romans 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Don't rest on that huh?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Read through the covenants-you don't get it.
I read the preface passage & whole chapter if need be.You read a sentence or two.My bible is English translated from new Latin which was transcribed from the Old Latin
by the Catholic church- which was transcribed from orig. language it was written . There are different dialects of Greek -Thats why Anticatholics state Peter is a stone- instead of a rock--which was from the orig Greek that it was written in.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply The new Covenant is the final & everlasting covenant-Jesus-crucifixion for salvation--it replaces the old Covenatnt.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply What you don't get is that we are Israel, no church preaches that. The New Testament was not written in Latin it was written in Greek.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Catholicism is a continuation of Judaism -we encompass both OT & NT. what are you asking? I told you that we follow the NEW EVERLASTING COVENANT IFULFILLED THRU CHRIST.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Is that so? So then you believe Christ is in the heavenly tabernacle not made by human hands acting as our high priest. In other words all that stuff you have in church discredits that. Who is your high priest? I can show in the Bible where it say christ is ours. Do you have an earthly high priest that you allow every year to cleanse you like in Leviticus? Which was DONE AWAY WITH? The OLD COVENANT in an EARTHLY TABERNACLE? Do you kill animals as well or is that still preserved?
OriahLivingston 6 days ago
@OriahLivingston guess your your own infalliable high priest gee lets see the OYT was done away with so thirefore folloowing this reasoning the sabbath was done away with as well and dont forget those commandments throw them out 2
martlut 5 days ago
@martlut Right, after all, the Bible say carnal ordinances or commandments written in ordinances, not on stone, not "inside" the ark. But go ahead, throw out the only thing God Himself ever wrote to fit your own church doctrine and embarrassment. Catholic quote from you: Throw out God's Law and follow the Catholic carnal laws.
OriahLivingston 5 days ago
@OriahLivingston seems thats your quote not mine typical you proties cant comprhend a thing
martlut 5 days ago
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truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Thats the Old covenant[-Mosaic ]
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply So why do you all still follow it and all the traditions that were involved?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston guess you havent read what Paul said about following traditions nor christ
martlut 5 days ago
@martlut Tell me the Catholic translation, I know you are just dying to...
OriahLivingston 5 days ago
@OriahLivingston ARE YOU LOOKING @ ALL THE PARALLEL VERSES & then REFERRING TO THE FIRST MENTION ??It is against this background that we must look at the passages in Luke 13:22-27
and probably also Matthew
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Are you?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston LOOK @ WHO THESE VERSES ARE ADDRESSED TO-TAKE A BIBLICAL STUDY COURSE WITH CLERGY THAT HAVE YEARS OF STUDIES IN ALL THE BIBLICAL LANGUAGES OF THE ORIG.WRITINGS AND SALVATION HISTORY IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER THRU THE VARIOUS COVENANTS.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I don't need to be breast fed from a Catholic to study, Hebrews 5:12.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 16:25 - There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply You can quote furthermore anything you'd like, copy and past page and a half long nonsense responses to my message box trying to earn an upper hand for yourself. I'm not buying it Catholic, look around you, narrow is the path and very few find it, (Matthew 7:13-14) doesn't seem like your church is the few assembled body you are the opposite Mr 1 billion.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston paste*
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston OurLord in another chapter addressed his followers as 'Little Flock"
does this mean not 1.1 billion Catholics & other Christians aren't saved?
Who was this addressed to? Take it put of context & youll never understand
He was Addressing his disciples!
truthfulreply 1 week ago
This video is on youtube elsewhere-I saw it-it was taken @ the Bohemian Grove in Calif.--It is supposedly a video of one of those evil secret societies. It has absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism or any other Christian church.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
A great video on youtube-heritage of the early church-"-Saints & Sinners" aired on History International channel-it clarifies a lot of misconceptions to those outside of the Catholic faith & is interesting to those w/in the church.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
To all who stumble upon this page. You must be a Catholic according to truthfulreply & catholicrocks1 to be saved. You must tithe & worship on Sunday & attend daily mass if you are in school. You must also bow before the pope & call him infallible (unable to lie) & compare him equal to or greater to the Bible & rely upon the word of him as an addition to the bible even though it says not to add to the word. If you pray to Mary, ask a priest to forgive you or self merit through works you're saved
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
Satan hates not being God. He is only a creature. His hatred refracts into a hatred of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, which is the ONLY power against him in this world. He does not waste his time on FALSE RELIGIONS,HERETICS & BRAGGARTS.. HE HATES THE SACRAMENT OF RECONCILIATION and TEARS DOWN CONFESSIONALS because HE WANTS TO SEPARATE MAN FROM GOD.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@lying replys ...peter was "recognised as being the first pope "by only pagan catholics who forged and lied their way through history to rob both rich and poor .
cephas = rock blah blah lah who's a pretty boy parrot ?
davidthomasmorton 1 week ago
@lyingreplys....the "historical grounds" will be forged documents held by satanic vatican!
statue of st. Peter is statue of Jupiter who your popes kneel before and kiss its feet , and this is not idolatory
davidthomasmorton 1 week ago
@lyingcomments :- Peter will condemn your pagan , satanic twisting of Christianity which you call catholicism ! You WILL be Judged . I am already saved by GRACE "
davidthomasmorton 1 week ago
Most all Churches claim to be the Church of truth. Who do you believe? Which one is right? Which Church does the Bible say is the Church of truth? The Church of truth is spelled out in the Bible. It is the only Church that was given the authority, the one in whom the Holy Spirit dwells forever, John 14:15-17.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply and that church is definatelly NOT the pagan roman catholic church of Rome
davidthomasmorton 1 week ago
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@davidthomasmorton
"For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood."
Author Unknown...
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@davidthomasmorton
Satan hates not being God. He is only a creature. His hatred refracts into a hatred of the Church, which is the only power against him in this world. He does not waste his time on false religions, heretics and braggarts. He hates the Sacrament of Reconciliation and tears down Confessionals because he wants to separate man from God.
The Catholic Church is the ONLY one with confession-why doesn't your church have it??
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply On the contrary, Lucifer loves to deceive and to do so means to lie to someone and make them believe it's the truth..dates all the way back to Genesis 3. How do you think Lucifer will deceive those in the faith being the scriptual lawyer? Narrow is the path yes? The catholics even lutherans for ex. don't adapt the same 10 commandments as listed in the bible, yet yours has the most mainstream influence and fellowship. How is he to make himself known globally through a small sect?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston The big lie that many protestants believe in today is that good works are useless, and that all that is required to get into heaven is to profess your belief in Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior, words which are not found in the bible, by the way. While this is certainly true for deathbed conversions, it is not true for those of us who are alive and well and believe in Jesus today. Many protestants are confused about the meaning of the word “works”.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Explain works b/c you'd like to sit there & throw out the 10 commandments, yet you are the ones saying if I do & do & do then I will be. Christ did & did & did for you. It's about involving Christ in your life & having the faith that He is there at all times guiding you to follow & live through His law (commandments) How else do you show your love & respect for your Lord & neighbor/man. In Mark the entire law is summed up in two commandments: love your God/neighbor/10 commandments
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston If you interested in the Catholic Church-join RCIA-I'm not an instructor & they can better answer you questions as so many people are mis guided. The Catechism of the catholic Church can give you our faith in black & white.It is clearly explained. Have a good night & God bless.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply They aren't a commandment keeping sect, no thanks.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Can't understand what is written in bits & pieces-please rewrite over
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply You are saved when you accept Christ is your savior and by that, by faith, I mean that having the faith to know and feel his presence in your everyday life. The foundation you have built by having the holy spirit present in your life and knowing that God will take control of your life for you when you give yourself over to Him. That is true belief. Self merits accomplish nothing.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 7:24 - Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Building your foundation on Christ! but not you, yours is on Peter
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
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@truthfulreply Again let me quote rock, building your house on a strong foundation (rock) that would be Peter? or Christ? I can't even believe I have to ask this it's so sad, but then again that's why you are so confused about the way they spoke in Matthew 16:18 & thinking this rock means a 2nd person quote. Who speaks like that anyway? Wouldn't you say and on YOU I will build my church? Um ya I think you would. Is Peter a strong foundation? Do you build your church on the word of Peter? Ugh...
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@davidthomasmorton Quick question! Who founded your church?
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Jesus founded my FAITH ! your CHURCH was satanic from its inception in AD 300 . Peter never ever started a faith called catholic > Peter will stand next to Jesus and condemn Catholic church to Hel
davidthomasmorton 1 week ago
@davidthomasmorton Boy are you in for a rude awakening!
Jesus founded a church-LOOK in your bible-or don't your understand English?
It was in fact founded on St Peter. Look in ALL encyclopedias. Look @ the ONLY CHURCH TRACED VISIBLY TO CHRIST. If you can't see this-you lack common sense.
Now go to your local library & find the facts. HISTORY DOESN'T LIE--ONLY PEOPLE LIE.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply You are an idiot, sorry for the put down. Pick up a strongs concordance and look up rock in Matthew 16:18, it means petra in the Greek which means rock but the same word is used in 1 Corinthians 10:4 when describing christ. Why on earth would you not think that Peter was calling christ that rock and on that rock He would build His church? Why would Christ build the church on a man and not His own word. I mean what the heck dude. Ya the church is based upon Peter not the Lord..huh?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Lucifer is going to come down through your church b/c it has the strongest influence...if you were him, where is the one place you would hide...think about it...Lucifer is going to back the Catholic church. People who keep the Lord's day will be persecuted first. Sunday law has already started in Europe. Google it, just wait till it gets here & Sabbatarians disobey. The mark in your hand or head is what you preach (hand) & what you believe (head) what will you follow? pope or God?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I am not a member of any church...but I can tell you out of all the mainstream churches I have been to...Seventh Day Adventists have the scripture down most. I know you'll stay Catholic, I'm just trying to give you some feedback. Defend your faith all you want, you have the right to. I'm just looking out for you guys and cult followers...honestly...Again no church is perfect biblically, but they are the most devout christians I have ever met. That's just what I have observed...
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@davidthomasmorton Saint Peter
The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2008 | Copyright
Saint Peter d. AD 64?, most prominent of the Twelve Apostles, listed first in the Gospels, and traditionally the first bishop of Rome. His original name was Simon, but Jesus gave him the nickname Cephas [Aramaic, = rock], which was translated into Greek as Petros [Gr. petra
First Bishop of Rome is the Pope.
Be sure to tell all the publishers that you know better than them!!!!
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@davidthomasmorton
Peter, St
The Concise Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church | 2000 | E. A. LIVINGSTONE
Little is known of his later years. The tradition connecting him with Rome is early and unrivalled. The later tradition attributing to him an episcopate of 25 years in Rome is less well supported. His death is placed in the reign of Nero (54–68) and was probably in the persecution of 64. There are historical grounds for believing that his tomb in St Peter's, Rome, is authentic.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@davidthomasmorton
Encyclopædia Britannica Saint Peter the Apostle, original name Simeon, or Simōn (died c. ad 64, Rome), disciple of Jesus Christ, recognized in the early Christian church as the leader of the disciples and by the Roman Catholic church as the first of its unbroken succession of popes. Peter, a fisherman, was called to be a disciple of Jesus at the beginning of his ministry. He received from Jesus the name Cephas (i.e., Rock, hence Peter, from the Latin petra).
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply A church is (group of people) is based upon beliefs. What is yours founded upon? Those who read from the Catechism and other books besides the Bible? Kind of like the Mormons with the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith and the Bible or the Watch Tower and Charles Taze Russell version of the Bible for Jehovah's Witness and the Talmud and then any Bible reading etc etc see a trend? Did christ ever read from the catechism? or is anything He preached found directly in the Bible? Prays..
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Excuse me-look whos quoting from OUR CATHOLIC BOOK -THE BIBLE
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"In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots."
Author Unknown...
"No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that."
Fr. William Most...
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston
What did Jesus Christ come down from heaven to found? Was it the Bible?
Or was it a teaching Church?Jesus Christ founded a teaching Church:
DIRECT YOUR BIBLICAL QUESTIONS TO ITS SOURCE-THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
OTHERWISE STOP STARTING SCANDALS.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Teaching church?? What is taught in church you: Mr. are my sheep but don't hear me because you are stupid? Bahhhhhh! Bahhhhhh! off a cliff. What is preached?????? Do I even need to answer this?? He came here to "FOUND a group of people who will "STUDY HIS WORD" that is what is undivided as a church (group of people) not I go to a Catholic church and do all these things yadda yadda yadda. Grow UPPPPPP! Your whole belief is a scandal! Being a catholic doesn't make you fricken Godly!
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston
I didn't claim to godly-I claimed to have the love,peace,&joy in Christ through my Catholic faith. blucess
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Could have fooled me...
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston A fool argues with a fool-GOODNIGHT!
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply A fool also doesn't "reply truthfully" when shown the book of Daniel, describing the statue and Daniel 7:25 which clearly indicates the papacy ruling for 1260 days/years (time, times and a diving of times going by the 360 day hebrew calendar used then) it's all in the bible. I guess you are smarter than the word of God though because you grew up that way. Do the research and prove me wrong, tell me what other governing body ruled from 538-1798. Hmmph! that's what I thought. NIGHT!
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time
Papacy has been ruling for ~2000 years! This book correlates with Antichrist where have you been? RMEMBER THE CATHOLIC COMPILED SCRIPTURES-WHY WOULD SHE SET HERSELF UP FOR FAILURE. YOUR ENGLISH BIBLE IS NOT TRANSCRIBED FROM ORIG WRITINGS!
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply lol omg type this in google, I just did it myself:
papacy ruled from 538-1798 See what pops up.
The KJV is the closest translated version to the manuscript. What book correlates with Antichrist? Your church is the antichrist or the beast and the wound to the head was when the reformation happened and you guys lost control. Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit, and he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy which was the basis of Futurism which you guys have now spread to all protestant churches.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply lol omg type this in google, I just did it myself:
papacy ruled from 538-1798 See what pops up.
The KJV is the closest translated version to the manuscript. What book correlates with Antichrist? Your church is the antichrist or the beast and the wound to the head was when the reformation happened and you guys lost control. Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit, and he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy which was the basis of Futurism which you guys have now spread to all protestant churches.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
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@truthfulreply lol omg google this, I just did
papacy ruled from 538-1798 See what pops up.
The KJV is the closest translated version to the manuscript. What book correlates w/ Antichrist? Your church is the antichrist or the beast & the wound to the head was when the reformation happened & you guys lost control. Francisco Ribera was a Jesuit & he wrote a book on Bible Prophecy which was the basis of Futurism which you guys have now spread to all protestant churches to take the finger off you.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston You have no clue on the Book of Revelations--it is the past,present & future The next thing you will be saying is tha catholic church is the whore of Babylon- What has taken the RCC 100s of years to discipher-you proudfully think you know what it means-The RCC uses hundred of biblical scholars & theologians & ones that know biblical code words & languages.You & I couldnt live enough life times for all this knowledhe-BE REAL! Thats why there are 33000 Potestor denominations
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston yes-it LOOKS like SATAN IS WORKING OVERTIME-fruitless garbage from uneducated negative people-just opinions-dont hold any weight to truths. I'll stick with the historical roots of my faith-evidence is written-read the Early Church Fathers Letters -or haven't you heard of them? Probably not-Protest[or/ant] ministers discourage their readings of truth-THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOOD NOW -WOULDNT THEY? Youve wasted enough of my time-your replies are fruitless & will be deleted
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Satan is working overtime you hold the pope equal to the Bible. I mean wtf lol that is major spiritual illness. I can't believe you have the audacity to say Satan is continued....
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply ..present here, the Holy Spirit moves me to talk. Who is the beast and false prophet thrown in the lake of fire which ISN'T HERE YET? & I don't know Revelation? Enlighten me, pleasee do
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Seventh Day Adventists distort history to fit in with their false claims about the Catholic Church
Did the papacy really uproot the 3 horns of Daniel 7:8,24 ?
I received an e-mail from an Adventist (contact details below) saying the following:
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply If you want to quote SDA's let talk about Ellen G White and how she spoke of Sunday Law coming. She predicted this about oh a century and a half ago. Guess what it's hit Europe, they had one of their first conferences back in June. You can't buy or sell on Sunday in many countries. Sounds like a law to me. If it makes it's way here & who knows? What will you do then? defend your pope? Something tells me you will take the mark and defend your order to the death. Peace be with you.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston DIRECT ANY BIBLICAL QUESTIONS TO THE ORIIGIN-THE CATHOLIC CHURCH & STOP ATTACKING IT. YOUR EFFORTS ARE FRUITLESS.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Am I attacking you as a person? or am I protesting against your sect? Isn't that what protestantism comes from? Hint hint? Are we all supposed to rejoin your church? Are we still not to protest against the Catholic church which we all broke away from anymore? If not, I guess your wound is almost healed again and the end must be drawing near. Why do you think the reformation happened man? When the Bible was finally translated for people to read for themselves and they got educated.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Am I attacking you as a person? or am I protesting against your sect? Isn't that what protestantism comes from? Hint hint? Are we all supposed to rejoin your church? Are we still not to protest against the Catholic church which we all broke away from anymore? If not, I guess your wound is almost healed again and the end must be drawing near. Why do you think the reformation happened man? When the Bible was finally translated for people to read for themselves and they got educated.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
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@truthfulreply Am I attacking you as a person? or am I protesting against your sect? Isn't that what protestantism comes from? Hint hint? Are we all supposed to rejoin your church? Are we still not to protest against the Catholic church which we all broke away from anymore? If not, I guess your wound is almost healed again and the end must be drawing near. Why do you think the reformation happened man? When the Bible was finally translated for people to read for themselves and they got educated.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston If you think the nearly 2000 yr old church needed reforming-thats your right & belief Me-I don't believe that-as it makes a liar out of Christ-MATTHEW 16:18-19
Common sense would tell you this
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply
"Don't go to God for forgiveness of sins, come to me"
(Pope John Paul II, Los Angeles Times, December 12, 1984)
If you don't think that statement goes against Christ, I would reconsider who the fool is...
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Im sending you the scriptures on this-YOU SEND me the scriptures that state us not to -as you believe-Also-why not baptize yourself & marry yourselves-you did away with all the other sacraments.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I can't reply to your messages, so you would be wasting your time it always says I have to enter some comma thingy when I hit send so...
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston I. Jesus Christ Granted the Apostles His Authority to Forgive Sins
John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Keyword: Apostle
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingstonJohn 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.
YOU THINK THIS SACRAMENT STOPPED WITH THE APOSTLES? THIS WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE
truthfulreply 1 week ago
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OriahLivingston 1 week ago
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@truthfulreply What does the verse say? Who else does it mention? No private interpretations (2 Peter 1:20) God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33)
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply Isaiah 9:6 as I'm sure you have heard: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, (here we go) ----> The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Yawn keep defending your church...
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to "men." Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles' successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 - even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.
REMEMBER THE OT FORETELLS THE NEW & THE NT FULFILLS THE OT
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man's authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says “Therefore, confess our sins to one another,” in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston 1 Tim. 2:5 - Christ is the only mediator, but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
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@OriahLivingston Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
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@OriahLivingston Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Acts 19:18 - many came to orally confess sins and divulge their sinful practices. Oral confession was the practice of the early Church just as it is today.
Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5 - again, this shows people confessing their sins before others as an historical practice (here to John the Baptist).
1 Tim. 6:12 - this verse also refers to the historical practice of confessing both faith and sins in the presence of many witnesses.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston
Num. 5:7 - this shows the historical practice of publicly confessing sins, and making public restitution.
2 Sam. 12:14 - even though the sin is forgiven, there is punishment due for the forgiven sin. David is forgiven but his child was still taken (the consequence of his sin).
Neh. 9:2-3 - the Israelites stood before the assembly and confessed sins publicly and interceded for each other.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston 1 John 5:16-17; Luke 12:47-48 - there is a distinction between mortal and venial sins. This has been the teaching of the Catholic Church for 2,000 years, but, today, most Protestants no longer agree that there is such a distinction. Mortal sins lead to death and must be absolved in the sacrament of reconciliation. Venial sins do not have to be confessed to a priest, but the pious Catholic practice is to do so in order to advance in our journey to holiness.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Matt. 5:19 - Jesus teaches that breaking the least of commandments is venial sin (the person is still saved but is least in the kingdom), versus mortal sin (the person is not saved).
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston These are only a few-it looks like your bible is missing the books that Protestant hero Martin Luther removed.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
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@OriahLivingston These are only a few-it looks like your bible is missing the books that Protestant hero Martin Luther removed.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
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@OriahLivingston These are only a few-it looks like your bible is missing the books that Protestant hero Martin Luther removed.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingstonTHE CCC DOES NOT TEACH THIS LIE THAT YOU QUOTED ABOUT POPE JOHN.
As the Father hath sent me". Now it is beyond doubt that He came into the world to destroy sin and that on various occasions He explicitly forgave sin (Matthew 9:2-8; Luke 5:20; 7:47; Revelation 1:5), hence the forgiving of sin is to be included in the mission of the Apostles.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston You say: "Don't go to God for forgiveness of sins, come to me" (Pope John Paul II, Los Angeles Times, December 12, 1984)
You are wrong. Show me the text of the article that says that and prove to me its not just another yellow journalist wanting attention.
humanist707 1 week ago
@humanist707 Dang why don't you just bow to the guy already. I know this would give you an anxiety attack.
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston knew*
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Lie to yourself all you want. It only seems that all the truth you know is what you want to know.
humanist707 1 week ago
@OriahLivingston Check out the facts-there you go again-Its a big lie! LOL
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@davidthomasmorton Since the Protestant reformation &the subsequent separation by them from the Catholic Church, Protestantism lost the teaching arm of the Catholic Church and the holding of Sacred Tradition. In so doing, they reverted to a condemnation of holding all tradition, both Sacred & man-made They then turned to the only resource they had left, the Holy Bible, a product of the Catholic Church by the way. At about the same time, they invented a new man-made doctrine called Sola Scriptura
truthfulreply 1 week ago
"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian."
St. Athanasius, Letter to Serapion of Thmuis, 359 A.D..
NOW I DONT WONDER WHY PROTESTANT MINSTERS DISCOURAGE THEIR MEMBERS FROM READING_THEEARLY CHURCH FATHERS LETTERS
truthfulreply 1 week ago
From an early Catholic church Father
"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart... When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D..
truthfulreply 1 week ago
"Here is the shotgun analogy. Fire a Protestant shotgun and a Catholic shotgun at a wall. The pattern will be the opinions of those within, liberal, conservative, etc. With the Catholic, we always know who is at the center, the Pope and the Magisterium. With the Protestant, how can we determine who is in the center?"
Marcus Grodi, ex Protestant minister, now Catholic...
truthfulreply 1 week ago
An Early Catholic church Father wrote:
"Where Peter is, there is the Church."
St Ambrose of Milan, On twelve Psalms 381 A.D..
truthfulreply 1 week ago
St Jerome-from Catholic church
"Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation."
St. Jerome Commentaries on Titus, 3, 10 386 A.D..
truthfulreply 1 week ago
"The fullness of truth is in the Catholic Church."
truthfulreply 1 week ago
"No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that."
Fr. William Most...
truthfulreply 1 week ago
"In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots."
Author Unknown...
truthfulreply 1 week ago
"For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood."
Author Unknown...
truthfulreply 1 week ago
The Papacy is Scriptural...
Some say the Papacy is a fabrication of the Catholic Church.
Well, let us look at Holy Scripture and see what we can find...
GOD, who is Himself a "Father Figure", has always provided a human "Father Figure", a "Chief Shepherd", a visible leader on earth to act as a liaison between Himself and His people.
truthfulreply 1 week ago
@truthfulreply I know it is lol read Daniel 7:25 (time, times and a dividing of time)
Time 1 year
Times 2 years
Dividing of times/half a time 1/2 year = 3 1/2 years and form a Jewish calendar which was 360 days and days equals years if you heard the verse, if not, ask. That adds up to 1260 days/years which was exactly how long the papacy ruled from 538-1798....have you not read? Is it possible you can say I'm not going to respond on how I was raised and what church I am in and study the message?
OriahLivingston 1 week ago
. In the Old Testament, His Chief Shepherds were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, and David, to name a few. In the New Testament, the "Father Figure", and "Chief Shepherd", of GOD's people, the Church, is Saint Peter. His successors down through the centuries are affectionately called, Papa, or let us use the Italian word meaning the same as father, the Pope.
"And Pharaoh (the King) said unto Joseph (a Father Figure),
truthfulreply 1 week ago
'For as much as GOD has shown you all of this, there is none so discreet and wise as you are: You shall be over my house, and according to your word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than you'. And Pharaoh said to Joseph, 'See, I have set you over all the land of Egypt'. And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain around his neck..."
Genesis 41:39-42
truthfulreply 1 week ago
Keys have always been used as a symbol of power and authority for the Jews. He who has the key can open the locked door. He who has not the key remains locked out. The one who has the key has all authority over who enters through the locked door. If He shuts (locks), no one can open (unlock). I