Is America A Christian Nation (In touch Ministries)

[tommyt1971]

No, America is not a Christian nation. It may have been founded by Christians but it was not founded ONLY for them. And when we have the 1st Amendment written the way it is, so that govt doesn't support OR hinder religious belief, then we cannot allow our nation to be ruled by the Bible or any other religion. Period.

[blattt188]

"My kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD" -Jesus Christ.

[blattt188]

AMERICA: Dominant entertainment=murder Main priority=the right to have public sex without discrimination Kid's cartoons=witchcraft Most popular cartoon=Pedobear Most popular celebrities=Satan-worshipers Education=You are an evolutionary mistake Morality=Do What Thou Wilt God=money Most popular preachers=Luciferian Christians=the most hated people in the country Demon statue on the white house Satanic churches all over Kids watch porn more than they do homework yea... Christian nation...

[MagicTellaVision]

Man made your Make Believe God

[blattt188]

@MagicTellaVision Of course. Man created a finite universe, organized the perfect planet to permit intelligent life that can discern the whole cosmos from a singular point in space, evolved his own cell from mud, tricked himself into cause-effect reasoning, spent 1500 years writing made up scripture that happens to be scientifically accurate, spent another 2,000 years deliberately fulfilling it's made up prophecy, then blamed it on a God they completely made up. Sounds legit.

[ReadPsalms1]

Man, I came across this video of David Barton, and he unloads all sorts of ammo about our nation's Christian heritage! He shows these original American Bibles, and so many framer's writings, etc., etc., etc! Imaging the old Batman episodes when they would fight, kickin bad guy butt, and would show the in yo face signs of "Bamm!", "Pow!", and "Boom!"

[GB26007]

The myth that America is a Christian nation is a lie and deception

[ReadPsalms1]

@GB26007 Well with the same standard of judgement, we could say your own birth certificate if a myth. Even if you show us your original birth certificate, how could we believe the obvious writing on it? Well,what if educated men have argued against your very birth certificate,should we not believe our own eyes and the original writing of it? If someone was reserrected from the dead, would you still deny God? Oh,wait a minute,that has happened already, and behold I have my answer from your heart.

[GB26007]

@ReadPsalms1 You fake pagan Christians don't even follow the teachings of Christ. Jesus came on done away with the priesthood and clergy, he done away with church worship and introduced a reign of Grace. Real Christianity has nothing to do with politics and governments. Jesus and the apostles make it very clear not to get involved in the political affairs of the world!.

[ReadPsalms1]

@GB26007 If you truly understood what you were talking about, you might not say such foolish things. First off, the oxymoron statements you make are not at all describing the true church. You may be only observing outward things and consider not what the true definition of a Christian is. A Christian is a disciple of Christ. For "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." (Acts11:26) What then is a disciple? Consider what a disapline is. A disciple is a student of Christ.

[ReadPsalms1]

@GB26007 Where did Jesus teach that those of the faith were not to be involved in civil affairs? Could you site any Scripture references for me?

[GB26007]

@ReadPsalms1 ...(2 Timothy 2:4) (Colossians 3:1 - 2) (Matthew 6:20) (Mark 12:17). New Testament Christianity has nothing to do with earthly carnal things. Jesus reigns in his Kingdom now and forever and it is a reign of Grace, and only people born again of the spirit can see and enter that Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is not a matter of food and drink but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17). It is a kingdom not of this world (John 18:36)

[GB26007]

@ReadPsalms1 Your fake Pagan Christianity that promotes civil governments and Kingdoms of God on earth in the name of Christ is lies, deception and blasphemy. America is a secular nation and you people promoting this Christian nation myth are traitors and deserved to be tried for treason

[blattt188]

@GB26007 Paganism and Christianity are exact opposites. Try actually reading the Bible without letting TV be your basis of authority.

[blattt188]

@ReadPsalms1 The Pharisees tried to use reverse-psychology on Jesus to make him either seem like a revolutionary or to discredit him as Messiah. They asked him "should we pay taxes to Caesar or not." If he said yes, the mass would turn against him. If he said no, they would report him to the government. He said "render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God." Paul said the powers that be are ordained by God. That's what it means to be in the world but not of it.

[GB26007]

@ReadPsalms1 America will never be a Christian nation, When the American people find out what you fake Christians are really up to they will put you on trial for treason and toss you out of the nation. You serve a foreign power by promoting this deception

[ReadPsalms1]

@GB26007 It is sad to see a person in such error.

[GB26007]

America is not a Christian nation. The founding Fathers founded a secular government founded on Natural Law and Natures God. They were Deists and philosophers, they were members of the enligtenment. They very much disliked Christianity, Thomas Paine wrote a booklet discussing his disdain for the Christian Religion, Thomas Jefforson wrote his own bible!! and George Washington was a freemason. They wanted to create a Government and a nation that gave people the freedom of religion

[ReadPsalms1]

@GB26007 You are stupid when you would say such nonsense after having such truth from the founder's writings themselves! How foolish can you be?

[NeoPsiTom]

@GB26007 Yes, the founders were secularists. They saw the results of state sponsored religion. Barton's not just an apologist, he's a pusher.

[blattt188]

@NeoPsiTom They were secularists but also Christians. They understood what Jesus said to the Pharisees "render to Caesar" and what Paul said about the powers that be ordained by God. There's no such thing as a Christian nation because God isn't something you can force of people, that's counter-productive.

[GaryLyons]

@EqualAndFree ...of course you think it is total nonsense, this is because you are blinded spiritually. And this only confirms 1 Corinthians 2:14 - "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he does not understand them because they are spiritually discerned." ~ I pray one day you can say as the blind man said in the gospel of John - "All I know is that I was blind, but now I see!" ~ God bless! :)

[GaryLyons]

@EqualAndFree ..it wasn't the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, big difference. And the last thing that it was when Adam and Eve sinned was beneficial. It brought eternal death. And when God said they would die, he didn't mean physical death on the spot, it was spiritual death, far more serious. So God did not lie. But God demonstrated His own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us! God bless you and Happy New Year!

[GaryLyons]

@EqualAndFree ~ of course you call the sepent's temptation of Eve "encouragement", this is what sinners do, they reject God & claim they know better than Him. God gives us this free will, as He did Eve & the result is death. But thanks be to God who gives us the victory over sin and death in Jesus Christ when we repent and receive Him as Lord! As God says in Isaiah 1:18 - "Come, let us reason together" says the Lord, "though your sins as as scarlet, I will make them white as snow."

[GaryLyons]

@EqualAndFree ...No my friend, what the bible is saying is that many have already embraced ignorance and then go ahead and call it intelligence. Of course God wants us to use our brains, and when we do, we are certain of His love and grace for us in Jesus Christ. May God bless you!

[GaryLyons]

@EqualAndFree ~ "So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know Him through human wisdom, He has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe." (1 Corinthians 1:20-21)

[anthonyehooker]

@EqualAndFree lol very funny

[anthonyehooker]

@EqualAndFree why did congress give missionaries money to evangelize the Indians? if The were not interested in reaching souls for Christ?

[seahorse05]

“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there

be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of

blindfolded fear.” – Thomas Jefferson

“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” –

Thomas Jefferson

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people

maintaining a free civil government.” – Thomas Jefferson

“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” – John Adams

[lonnyneely]

@seahorse05 mostly misquotes, love it when ignorant people with their own agenda spout off

[lonnyneely]

@seahorse05 btw TJ was a slave owner. You like him alot?

[anthonyehooker]

Here is a quote by Patrick Henry

Patrick Henry

Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.

[chefmarcgirard]

"I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity."--- Benjamin Franklin, Works, Vol. VII, p. 75

[RepentAmerica454]

Wonderful presentation, but HOW did we fall so far from being a godly nation?

[AllenTC2]

I was telling a friend of mine that despite being a new Christian, I could not say that the US was a "Christian nation". Just because many of the principles the Founding Fathers espoused are shared with Christianity doesn't make it Christian. Many Godless people lead lives that share much in common with a Christian's live. They treat others with respect, they give to charity, they help the needy......but none of that makes them Christian.

[AllenTC2]

@AllenTC2

Ooof, sorry about the typos.

Anyway, only individuals can accept Jesus Christ.....a "nation" cannot.

[1BlueStarRising]

@AllenTC2 if a Nation with Godly people chose to be Godly, Then it would be a Godly Nation. Holy Bible & prayer back into the schools, One God, One Nation, Or it will become nation with divers lusts & of fallen gods, and all will be lost. 1961-63 the democratic movements with out Gods love in them passed a bill to take prayer out of the public schools which takes a innocent child's rights away to learn Gods love when they are young & ready to learn. Rev.TD.1640's R.I. Americas Family Honor Roll

[AllenTC2]

@AllenTC2

Ooof, sorry about the typos.

Anyway, only individuals can accept Jesus Christ.....a "nation" cannot.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree "It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible"--George Washington.

[owlandtree]

No, the USA is NOT, has never claimed to be, a Christian nation. Papua New Guinea is a Christian nation, the USA voters believe in seperation of church and state for a good reason. Politics promotes greed. The Bible talks about "let caesar have what's caesar's". Jesus did not support government because it means greed and power over the poor. See, Jesus said he liked the poor. The USA/Capitalism is against Jesus' teachings...oh, sorry for the truth...dodging tomatoes from the ignorant here.

[Wittydragon11]

@owlandtree you can't separate what people believe from what they do. at least 53 if not all 55 of those men where Christians. so We are a christian nation so don't be stupid about this. look at the proof and eat it if nescesary.

[owlandtree]

@Wittydragon11 Show me in the Constitution where it says "Christian Nation". Sorry but, "having God in mind" when they wrote the covenant does NOT make the USA a Christian Nation by definition. The USA is a society that worships profits, not GOD. Ask yourself "What would Jesus do" and tell me we ACT like Christians here. Sorry, Jesus would NOT have approved of things like manifest destiny; that' why they killed him. A sophomoric, and predictable response. Still no legal proof USA is Christian

[owlandtree]

@Wittydragon11 If being legal, the law is "stupid" in your opinion, then you prove my point why there is a separation of Church and State here. So the PEOPLE CAN GOVERN THEMSELVES, not the church. Simply because history and the Bible PROVES that power leads to greed and manipulation; always. Rome was a much longer ruling nation than the USA's 50 years after WW2. Now USA is in decline behind China already. God has plans for us and it's not the current flavor of politics.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree Both New Testament laws and non-superceded Old Testament laws were used in the formation of American law. For example, the Lord encouraged us to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, therefore, it made a state Church incompatible with statecraft. However, the Founding Father's basis for the three-branched government has it's roots in the governments of the tribes of Israel.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree The circumstances of such a change must be examined.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree One of the tenants of the beliefs of the Old Testament are that it would someday be replaced by a New Testament.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree Not really...the Old testament itself states that it would be superceded by a New Testament.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree Since the New Testament, such punishments have become void, and these laws have been expouned upon. Not knowing the Bible and trying to quote it anyway is common, and futile.

[MissionaryJames]

TO: @ChristianWarriorUSA:

You are not a Christian Warrior but a Satanic Deceiver. Change your name that is more accurate to your knowledge and character you dimwit.....

[MissionaryJames]

Aristotle, Epicurus, Buddha, Socrates, Lao Tzu, Confucius were false Prophets and false Teachers! Jesus is THEE ONLY WAY, TRUTH and the LIFE....ALL else and ALL OTHERS are IMPOSTERS, CHARLATANS and DECEIVERS....

Praise Be to Jesus Christ our Lord to the Glory of the Father, by the Power of the Holy Spirit....

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree You've already stated this. Many New Testament themes, however, are only found in the Christian Faith. And in regards to your statement about barbaric values: Is honoring your mother and father, or not coveting your neighbor's property, or not committing adultery, barbaric values? What about punishments for rape? Anti-non-consensual slavery sentiment barbaric?

[simpleburn]

What a misleading joke. Try actually READING the Declaration of Independence. There's not one word about religion. It all pertains to taxation without representation, being forced to house soldiers, trade, legislation, etc.. so what if people in churches were talking about these issues, that doesn't make this a "christian nation".

[simpleburn]

I don't see Mayhew, Cooper, Whitefield or Chauncy's signatures on the Constitution. The attempts to re-write history in this thing are disgusting and desperate.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree Indeed, they did find that the Holy Bible contained universal morals, however, there were some principals that they only found in Christianity.

[simpleburn]

@ChristianWarriorUSA you're really working hard to bend the facts to meet your opinion. Our founding fathers were clearly not christian, and they clearly did not intend for our country to be a "christian nation". They may have agreed with some of the principles of the bible, but above anything else, there intention was to create a government that was NOT tied to any particular religion.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree John Jay, one of the original Supreme Court Justices, stated: "“I have long been of the opinion that the evidence of the truth of Christianity requires only to be carefully examined to produce conviction in candid minds.”

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

Ultimately, your show that Benjamin Franklin was against Christian belief, as I am aware of. However, I'm saying that he supporting Christian morals and principles. John Adams said in response to Thomas Paine: "“The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard [scoundrel, rogue] Paine say what he will.”

[goldenthroat86]

"The government of The United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

Excerpt from the text of the 1796 treaty with Tripoli ordered by George Washington, approved by the Senate, and signed by John Adams.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@goldenthroat86 It was for a Muslim nation. They'd see us as Crusaders if we said we were a Christian Nation. Use a quote other then Treaty of Tripoli.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@EqualAndFree Benjamin Franklin is clearly making a statement about Christians, not the Christian religion, the morals of which he championed as great.

[gb5uq]

Bullshit.!!. Ben Franklin wrote, "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Lincoln wrote, "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." Jefferson wrote, "The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." Jefferson and Franklin were satanists and members of the hellfire club. Wake up you morons.

[machinehead5760]

The founding fathers were Deists..... Look it up. They were atheists.

[ChristianWarriorUSA]

@machinehead5760 You just said they were Deists. Not there Atheists? Major contradiction. Also, very few were Deists. At the Constitutional Convention, for example, of the 55 delegates attending, only one, Benjamin Franklin, was a Deist, and he saw the Christian religion as having a very good influence on this country.

[machinehead5760]

@ChristianWarriorUSA You seem to know a heel of a lot more about it than me, so thanks for explaining :)

[angelraemusic]

Proverbs 13:19

A longing fulfilled is sweet to the soul, but fools detest turning from evil. (or hearing and believing the truth)

I was in the audience when he gave this sermon, fascinating.

[angelraemusic]

Proverbs 13:19

A longing fulfilled is sweet to the soul, but fools detest turning from evil.  (or hearing and believing the truth)

[muncyweb]

Christian yes. Nation no. We were intended to be a union.

[SuperIlovemyboys]

Oh, and, nope, I don't think this is a Christian nation. And I don't think it was ever meant to be. Good morals, would be nice, though. :)

[max2right]

"Well, He created you,..." It’s easy to make unsubstantiated claims. I claim dogs can fly when no one is watching. Providing evidence supporting those claims is the hard part. I have as much evidence for my claim as you do for yours.

Your assumption that I’ve suffered some tragic event thus mad at god is as wrong as is arrogant. Allah doesn’t exist, Ra doesn’t exist, nor does Thor. Do you get mad at any of them?

[muncyweb]

@max2right I'm surrounded by nature and a beautifully crafted world. That is the foundation of my faith. No I cannot prove it to you just as I cannot prove that you are really alive, or that this website really exists. Only you can determine that.

I have seen an increase in godlessness over the past 15 years. And yes, I attribute it largely to people having 'bouts' with other Christians or yes, perhaps people who are angry because of some hurt they have experienced.....

[muncyweb]

@max2right ......It's not an arrogance issue, it's a personal experience issue. I've seen this happen in my own life as well as others. So perhaps you do not fall into this category. I don't know why you believe what you believe. Perhaps this is how you have been indoctrinated? We are all indoctrinated in one form or another. The evidences of a creator are all around you. I'm not sure what you mean by 'give up the fear.' I believe what I believe because it is logical to me......

[muncyweb]

@max2right ......Saying that we all came from apes, or that we came together by random chance from a BIG BANG....now THAT is illogical.

Keep on believing that their isn't a God. And keep on believing that as a subjugated U.S. national citizen you actually have any rights left.

[max2right]

@muncyweb Surly you must have studded the evidence supporting evolution closely before making such a firm declaration. Was it the dna findings that you consider flawed or the radiometric dating? Explain your reasons please. Making claims without evidence is empty rhetoric. Believing something without evidence is delusion.

[muncyweb]

@max2right Yes, in fact we did in depth studies in school. The evidences against evolution were quite strong. We had mock trials where we would divide up into teams to debate creation vs. evolution. The accuracy of radiometric dating is fairly controversial. Scientists often use this flawed data to draw conclusions which support their theories. DNA mutations occur frequently, but to believe that this is the consistent basis for all life is a bit of a stretch for me to believe.

[muncyweb]

@max2right There are many evidences disproving evolution, you just have to look for them. Complexities of life, the information density and complexity of DNA, dating methods which assume a closed system, the number of "discovered" 'missing link' remains in comparison to the number that would have been necessary for evolution to occur, the law of biogenesis, the impossibilities of "spontaneous generation", conclusions drawn on non-observable data -- ie. the beginning of time.

[max2right]

@muncyweb Science knows much about the universe. We can trace it back to its beginnings. We cannot yet explain how everything seemingly expanded from nearly nothing. We don’t know. Believers claim to know beyond all doubt how it all happened. Your logic would have us cease investigation and immediately jump to the conclusion that a god did it without the slightest evidence

[muncyweb]

@max2right Arguing about the origins of life and your world view over a 500-character based comment system is going to be totally pointless. This debate will never go anywhere, and we are no doubt doomed to remain in perpetual disagreement. There are certain things in life which can be argued and resolved. However, I am a firm believer that spiritual things are spiritually discerned. Of this fact, no man can convince you.

[muncyweb]

@max2right Also, help me understand this. If evolution were true -- any variation -- where the heck did that first speck of life come from? In other words, where is the beginning of evolution? If we came from a soup, or a bang, or whatever, where did THAT come from? What initiated the bang?

[max2right]

@muncywebToo much information to give here. There is a mountain of overlapping evidence in several different scientific fields supporting evolution. It’s at your fingertips all based on fact. How the first life started has nothing to do with evolution that’s a different field of study. Evolution explains the diversity of living things. It is an amazing story that I find far more uplifting for who we are as a species than any story of a vengeful, murderous god we know nothing of.

[muncyweb]

@max2right Your description of God as vengeful and murderous is your opinion. I am sure you also believe that we are deserving of anything more than death in the first place. We are not. We failed perfection. This is obvious. Look around you. Nope, no perfection here! On the contrary, God has shown his love and his grace to us in many ways regardless of our state of imperfection. Amazing story? Indeed, THIS is THE story I love to tell.

[max2right]

@muncyweb I read the bible. The killing. rape, inces.slavery and hate in it is obvious. I didn't make that up So your perfect god made us in his image but gave us flaws that only death can cure because he loves us? So your perfect god made us in his image but gave us flaws that only death can cure because he loves us? It is immoral and barbaric to depend on human sacrifice for a second life. The concept of killing another human to relieve me of my guilt is evil.

[SuperIlovemyboys]

@max2right Killing, rape, incest, slavery, and hate. Yes, all of those things are in the bible. None of those things are being committed by God, though, they are just a part of the history, and those things still go on today. If you want to get technical, yes, I suppose God did kill people. He continues to do so to this day.

[SuperIlovemyboys]

Respond to this video... Someone or something has to. Life ends. There's a fact for your fact-folio. ;) If you don't believe in God, then "Death" kills people. Murder?

[SuperIlovemyboys]

Why is that murder? He is the Creator of a master plan, for which there is a reason. A grand design; life is a giant chain reaction, so when one thing occurs on one end, that causes so many other things, and death is one of them along the chain. Everything in the universe, created by God, performing like an orchestra playing a piece of music with a beginning and an end. (*shrugs* just my thought)

[SuperIlovemyboys]

"So your perfect god made us in his image but gave us flaws that only death can cure because he loves us?"

My thought on that is: Yes, we are created in his image, meaning we are spiritual beings, not animals. I don't think he gave us flaws, but maybe gave each of his children their own set of obstacles to overcome in order to learn and be closer to God.

[SuperIlovemyboys]

"It is immoral and barbaric to depend on human sacrifice for a second life. The concept of killing another human to relieve me of my guilt is evil."

So now you create what is good and what is evil? By your standard, God is evil because his plan was for Jesus to die for all mankinds sins? Either way, God sets the standard for good, evil, right, wrong, and he will win out in the end, so, I'm going to follow him. :)

[max2right]

@SuperIlovemyboys “Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.” Isaiah 13:15-18

If a god wants my support he/she/it must have a moral standard at least as high as mine. I would not stand ideally by while infants were being dashed to death. No one I know would, you wouldn’t and no one you know would. Sorry, this god does not meet the minimum moral requirement. Next.

[muncyweb]

@max2right Also, concerning my question about the first spark of life -- this is relevant to this conversation. You identify with two things from what I've seen: 1) a disbelief of God, and 2) evolution. Using those two beliefs, where do you suppose everything started? Do you believe there was some intelligent being that put everything into motion and then sat back to watch it evolve? I mean, it all had to come from somewhere right?

[max2right]

@muncyweb If evolution were totally wrong there would still be no evidence that gods exist. The creation of the universe could be a random event, the result of natural forces. Just because I don’t know doesn’t mean I should immediately jump the unsupported conclusion that a god did it. Many of us look for evidence while many claim to know without evidence.

[muncyweb]

You want to know what "kind" of separation we need? Watch the TV series "The Tudors" some time and you will see why we wanted some degree of separation! Having a Christian union (not nation) is not the same thing as having a national church to which all must submit their allegiance, or else be beheaded. It is simply to say that our laws and the offices through which we govern actually have some moral foundation. I for one believe that this country could use a little moral direction about now.

[muncyweb]

People fight SO HARD against the Bible. But I often wonder if their fighting and ranting is so based upon some deep rooted childhood hatred for other Christians which perhaps didn't treat them as they believed they ought to. "Thou shalt not kill," "love they neighbor as thyself." Indeed [sarcasm], why would we EVER want to govern our society in such a manner! Why, wouldn't we rather hate and kill each other. In fact, should we not have laws that do just the opposite? [sarcasm again]

[max2right]

@muncyweb Because as Thomas Pain correctly said " we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God." The god in the bible is a blood thirsty genocidle baby killing psycopath not worthy of a moments consideration.

[max2right]

@muncyweb It’s hypocritical of this god to kill and order the killing of so many thousands of people and then give a commandment not to kill. What is the punishment got working on Sunday? Exodus 31:15 “Whosoever shall work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death”. If our god exists he is a confused being.

[muncyweb]

@max2right Well, He created you, so I suppose that could indicate some confusion..lol. Just kidding. He has His purpose for you as well, I am sure. If only to make folks like me work a little harder. You are attempting to bring a superior being down to your own level. He runs things, He gives life. We cannot attempt to understand the reason WHY He does everything He does. I am sorry if someone you loved has passed. It happens to all of us.

[max2right]

@muncyweb Well, He created you, ..." It’s easy to make unsubstantiated claims. I claim dogs can fly when no one is watching. Providing evidence supporting those claims is the hard part. I have as much evidence for my claim as you do for yours. Give up the fear. You have only one life. Live it gracefully.

[muncyweb]

@muncyweb But should your lack of understanding about your Creator cause you to curse Him or deny His existence? Believe what you will. For that is the advantage of having a union which is governed by laws and a constitution which protects your inherent rights given by God. We can each believe what we will. But as soon as we lose the foundation on which our laws are based, what should we base it on? You talk about killing...how about abortion?

[muncyweb]

Fact is, Mr. 2Right, we could go at this all day. I'm still waiting on those quotes from our original state constitutions (prior to Reconstruction). Oh, and by the way, if you will do additional research on your Madison quote, you will find that there is sufficient cause to believe that the quote you used is indeed BOGUS. Citings are numerous, but there are again many opposing references which question its very validity.

[muncyweb]

And here's another quote from John Adams...

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

[muncyweb]

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that His justice cannot sleep forever." -Thomas Jefferson; "To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -Thomas Jefferson (sinful?);

[max2right]

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 John Adams and ratified by congress.

Adams again- "God is an essence we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of there will never be any liberal science.".

[muncyweb]

@max2right You're not very convincing.

[max2right]

@muncyweb “Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their [not our?] religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society. Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792 G. Washington

[max2right]

“Question with boldness even the existence of god because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear” Thomas Jefferson

“Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind tyranny in religion is the worst.” Thomas Pain

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Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. - Thomas Paine -

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I have seldom met an intelligent person whose views were not narrowed and distorted by religion James Buchanan 15th President

James Madison -“Separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe.”

[muncyweb]

@max2right Look up our original state Constitutions and read the requirements concerning faith in Jesus Christ and belief in God.

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@muncyweb Any requirement of faith in a god is unconstitutional. Dig up any old law you want. If there be a million of them they are all unconstitutional. Didn’t you learn that in high school?

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Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. - Thomas Paine - Age Of Reason

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"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."  "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." T Jefferson

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 John Adams and ratified by congress

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“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that their [not our?] religious fights would not endanger the peace of Society.? Letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792 G. Washington

[jfsfrnd]

Barton talks so fast that no one could follow everything he says.

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THE AITKEN BIBLE) The Holy Bible, containing the Old and New Testaments Newly translated out of the Original Tongues. Philadelphia: Printed and Sold by R. Aitken, at Port’s Head, Three Doors above the Coffe House, in Market Street 1782.

Congress didn't print it, he petitioned Congress and they gave HIM permission to print it.

[jfsfrnd]

So no one has these documents except David Barton?

What form of government does the Declaration of Independence make us?

[NCCM755]

The reason that our Constitution allows for freedom of religion, is simply due to the fact that too many fled Europe and other places due to reigious persecution. One has to remember that protestant Christians were fleeing Roman Catholic persecution and so came to America to be able to worship the One True God as they saw fit.

[AmericanCritiquer]

In a word, no.

[jayaye21]

I would have to believe that the founding fathers were in the belief that all christian men prayed to the same, one and only God. and since the constitution was and is based on the christian faith, thats the best answer I can give. If I get to heaven and get the chance to meet some of them, I`ll ask `em

[RadarKat73080]

If by that, you mean that most Americans are Christian then yes. But if you mean that America was founded on Christian principals then no. Freedom of religion and speech isn't consistent with the god of the Bible. Neither is the idea of the people choosing their leaders, all leaders of ancient Israel "chosen" by God. Female leaders: "I do not permit a woman to have authority over a man."~Apostel Paul. Rebellion against authority: "All authority comes from God."

[jayaye21]

America may not be Christian nation per say, but our Constitution and Bill or Rights is based on the Christian religion and the Ten Commandmemts.

[SuperAthiest1]

@jayaye21 there is no such thing as a christian nation. a "christian nation" is very un christian. "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's and unto God the things which be God's." (Luke 20:25)......... unless you are saying jesus is wrong? that is clearly jesus himself advocating for the separation of church and state!

[jayaye21]

@SuperAthiest1 Did I say that we were a Christian nation? No I did not. I said that the Constitution was based on Christian religion or maybe I should have said beliefs or ideas. The term separation of chuch and state does not exist any where in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. What the founding fathers meant was not for the church to stay out of government, but for the government to stay out of the church. As for Luke20:25.. I`ll ask my friend whos a minister what he thinks of it.

[SuperAthiest1]

@jayaye21 cont.. the 2 commandments that are laws were also greek laws under zeus. they are in no way exclucive to christianity. why isnt it illegal to worship other gods if the constitution was built off of the ten commandments. a country of religious freedom cant be a nation of one religion! dont know about jesus,but america was built on slavery , should we hold on to that? read some thomas jefferson man! which is it? a nation of religious freedom or a nation for christians?

[jayaye21]

@SuperAthiest1 Ok I`m right, your wrong...end of discussion.

[SuperAthiest1]

@jayaye21 great supporting argument.... you have proven without a doubt that the constitution is written with constant references to jesus and that all of the ten commandments are laws contained with in it. you sure showed john adams. "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion” john adams.....what does he know though. typical christian response though. you said it so it makes it true.....like your religion.

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@jayaye21

The Constitution is based ont he Ten Commandments"

Interesting. Let's go thru the 10 shall we?

1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me - First Amendment establishes that people can worship any god they please or none.

2) You shall make no idols - No restriction against that whatsoever in the Constitution

3) You shall not take the Lord's name in vain - First amendment says you can say anything, including the Lord's name in vain.

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@jayaye21

4) Observe the Sabbath Day

- The Sabbath is not even mentioned in the Constitution

5) Honor your parents - The Constitution doesn't say anything about honoring your parents.

6) Don't murder - This is not a uniquely Christian idea and actually there are no explicit bans against killing in the Constitution

7) Don't commit adultery - There is nothing in the Constitution that even condemns adultery

8) Don't steal - Same as #6

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@jayaye21

9) Don't bear false witness - Same as 6 and 8

10) Don't covet your neighbors belongings

- Our entire economy is set up on the premise that people want to have what other people have. Also, nothing about it in the Constitution.

So I'm left feeling as if you haven't actually read either the Constitution or the 10 commandments, since literally none of the 10 commandments are referenced in any way in the Constitution and the Constitution contradicts many of them (specifically #1).

[jayaye21]

@thegillotine09  It is a fact that the laws of this nation as set forth by the signers of the constitution, BTW 26 of them were either ministers or carried seminary degrees, were based on the 10 commamdments. That is one reason of several as to why we are a Republic and not a Democracy

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@jayaye21

Why don't we have any federal laws requiring that people honor the sabbath, honor their parents, forbidding the worship of other gods, banning adultery, banning coveting of other's property, banning the creation of idols/graven images, etc.? The only federal laws I can think of that are even consistent with the 10 commandments are bans of murder and theft. That's only 2 out of 10. Not a good indicator that "the laws of this nation were based on the 10 commandments".

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@jayaye21 What makes you think that the Biblical God likes a Republic? He is a MONARCH. Have you ever heard of the Republic of God? No. It's the KINGDOM of God, God is the KING, the LORD, the RULER. God's chosen people, the Israelites, were a MONARCHY, with KINGS such as David and Solomon. That's why for over a thousand years monarchs have justified their power with "divine right".

Where in the Bible does God say that the government derives its power from the consent of the governed?

[Zentz29]

@jayaye21 lol "based on the 10 commandments" you say? What is gods first commandment? What is our first amendment?

1st Commandment: Worship ONLY me.

1st Amendment: Worship ANY god you want.

Our FIRST amendment is in contradiction with god's FIRST commandment. The MOST IMPORTANT thing in christianity is to worship the god of the bible. Our constitution goes AGAINST god's MOST IMPORTANT rule.

How's that again?