Problem is, some views ispo facto make you evil. Tolerance inherently has limits. We wouldn't tolerate a murderer because we respect his right to think that killing people is okay.
The question is merely over where you draw the line. And, as you would expect, this isn't a place where people agree.
Great that this review is back up because I missed it and the accomp vid.
Easily my favorite DS-9 eps and one of the greatest Star Trek episodes ever made. (Even better than several movies.)
As for Gene's vision...after reading Shatner's movie memoires and seeing early TNG, it's clear to me that Gene lost sight of what ST was about. Even TOS has several eps with questionable decisions and/or actions. DS-9 just brought in the modern time and better written.
After watching the follow-up, I thought of something interesting. The description of Sisko's actions as 'an act of evil to save billions of lives' or some such sounds very much like Karidian from 'Conscience of the King'. Main difference between the two was that Karidian's actions were both more public and was rendered useless. I wonder how Sisko would have felt if the Romulans declared war on the Dominion right as the senator's shuttle exploded...
@Drazex I know what Sisko would have done. He wouldn't have said anything... He wouldn't admit he committed to an of unnecessary act of evil, because then that might be reason change the Romulans mind about joining the war of the side of the federation. As for what he would have felt... He horrible, just like in the episode maybe a lot worse. However he could live with it.
@Drazex well Sisko knew the Romulans will eventually enter the war anyway, since Bashir and his genetically engineered friends predicted it in their super-duper calculations.
so all he really did was speed up that process, which probably helped to defeat the Dominion by making the Romulan's war against them a surprise attack which they were not expecting and had no time to prepare for.
@CIarKent Well, not so much a surprise attack, so much as a war on multiple fronts. Germany's a prime example of this, suffering defeat in both world wars largely due to a war on multiple fronts (Russia/USSR on one side, and Britain/USA/etc on the other). Further, whether or not they would join 'eventually' is irrelevant, since taking multiple factions out individually is far easier than when united, even when they form a single front, due to captured resources, etc
oh no, I am watching a video with an opinion. I will show outrage that not everyone in the world already conforms to my ethics. My voice must be heard by the least influential people I can find that have no personal relationship to me. I shall compare him to a nazi.........nazi's breathe oxygen and I am confident this asshole does also. To hell with him and his media empire of having a youtube channel with no advertising what-so-ever. Do you realize how long I had to search in order to hate you?
Love the discussion of Sisko doing what he had to do, but I would like to point out one thing: TOS did at least one episode similar to this that I can think of offhand, "A Private Little War." There's a planet with some rare resource that's only useful to spacefarers. The planet is home to two primitive civilizations that have always coexisted peacefully, but now Kirk discovers that the Klingons have been arming one side with weapons beyond their technological capability and encouraging them to
attack the other species, with the idea that they'd own the planet and give the Klingons exclusive access to the phlebotinum. Kirk decided to arm the other group, knowing full well that this would corrupt a noble culture (which was based on questionable theories of rural simplicity, but hey, it was the 60s). McCoy was furious and railed against Kirk's plan to his face throughout the episode (providing a voice for the audience who have bought into Roddenberry's agenda), but in the end Kirk orders
Scotty to set up a forge and start making rifles. He knows he's condeming this planet to become the site of a running proxy war, and is disgusted with this, but he also knows he's doing what he has to do.
By the way, on the Darmok follow-up video you mentioned that most people have had misunderstandings over e-mail and the like because it involves words that are supposed to work in tandem with nonverbal cues having to stand on their own, so we're unsure about the tone of various comments. I'm
afraid I once had a friendship-ending conflict emerge from a misunderstanding that began with me repeating the "I'm so many kinds of awesome" line in this review. There was more to it than that, of course, but that, all by itself, provided the catalyst.
@aperson22222 Also the famous city on the edge of forever. Not only did the episode had a pro-military message and pointed out the naivety of extreme pacifism. It also had Kirk deliberately stopping Bones saving the life of Edith when he knew for sure that he would have successfully save her life. Quite an immoral act to impede with a rescuer. However he did a little evil act to prevent a greater evil from flourishing.
@phantomdasilva Sort of, but there are a few differences: 1. Edith was SUPPOSED to be killed. He was correcting an alteration to the timeline. 2. There wasn't the internal conflict among the crew. Despite Kelley's brilliantly selling the disbelieving anger of his line "You deliberately stopped me!" McCoy accepted Spock's explanation as soon as it was offered. 3. In the 60s especially, an adult audience would accept that the Nazis had to be stopped at any cost, so the controversy wasn't there.
The shame about ITPM is that I watched the episode recently with a few friends and none of them could really take the episode seriously as a result of Avery Brooks' acting. In their opinion, it was most definitely a fake. And I would have to agree. It's in my top 5 favourite Trek episodes for obvious reasons but unfortunately, the way Brooks acts in the scenes with Sisko recording the log border on unbearable sometimes (for me) and yet they're, well, rather an important part of the episode.
@MachineMetropolis I hear ya. His passionate intensity was usually a great asset. Sometimes it just got in the way. Not sure I'd say that about this particular episode, though.
I love the review, and I especially love the follow up. I can't say much other than that I agree with the sentiments expressed.
That, and I also acknowledge that I fall prey to mistakes in how I treat others because of their viewpoints, just like anyone else, and just like you yourself have many times in your reviews, Chuck. (Which you acknowledged. If you hadn't acknowledged that, I would have felt your follow up video would be a bit lacking.)
You know whats funny Chuck? Its regarding the follow-up video. I agre with you. We should be able to say what we think and be able to live with it without becoming hostile or pointing out how wrong one is for thinking that way.
So just as a fun example. On your Doctor Who month video I wrote that the month was lost to me, that I dont like Doctor Who. And look what happened, my commentary was flagged so much that its marked as spam. Why? Because I dont conform with diehard fans.
@ThePariahDark I for one flagged your comment not because it expressed a minority opinion but because it was just plain rude, complaining about something that Chuck provides free of charge, and because it was inaccurate. Weekday projects never interfere with new Trek reviews on Saturdays, the main prize. I don't care for some of his projects, but I don't complain because I know I'll get a new Trek review every week just the same, which is what I started coming here for in the first place.
@aperson22222 saying "a lost month for me. I came to watch Chucks reviews for Star trek" is in my opinion not rude. I didnt mock Doctor Who, I didnt mock people who like it, I didnt said anything disrespectful against Chuck. I just stated two facts - that the month was lost for me and that I prefer Star Trek. An all out voyager month would be more fun in my opinion. But whatever.
@ThePariahDark Again, DW is a weekday project so there's nothing to preclude an all VGR month. The last all VGR month was August 2010 and we got four VGR reviews uploaded, one each Saturday. We've also just come off an extended all-DS9 stretch, but all kinds of stuff went up during the weekdays in there (though we did get one new DS9 review on a Tuesday).
@ThePariahDark If you don't want to watch next month, let me suggest reading Unity instead, if you haven't already. I started reading it in July 2010 to get my fix when Chuck took a five-week hiatus (now THAT could arguably be called a lost month). I was still working through it almost a year later, but I really loved it, especially the first half. It even inspired me to start thinking about my own crossover fic.
But, noooo, the Federation was too full on its own message of peace and understanding and diplomacy to notice the Milky Way is divided between the species that want to destroy the Federation and those that act like dicks towards it for no reason.
Easily my favorite ST episode ever. Far from betraying the Federation, I think Sisko is one of the few who take it seriously enough to get his hands dirty. If there had been more people in Starfleet willing to do what he did from the start, they could have solved the war earlier and without having to kill a Romulan senator.
Picard would never do what Sisko did, and that's what makes Sisko better than Picard. Even though he knew what he was doing was wrong, and against every moral he was trying to protect, he still did it because he knew it was the right thing to do even though it was morally wrong. And all the while he showed that he knew that it was wrong, and knew that he had to live with that guilt the rest of his life.
@sfs2040 Exactly I agree! Now Picard MIGHT get away with the excuse of being the captain of the flagship but I think as if that can only go so far before it just doesn't work anymore! You know what I mean?
Sorry, but Picard can be a real big ass pussy sometimes, and would have had to have find another way around the whole bad situation to get it done, or just deal with the fact that it might not happen or give up something major to the Romulans for their help.
I find it interesting that (currently) it says that the video was uploaded 15 hours ago. However, this was uploaded no more than 2 hours ago. When I woke up this morning, I watched the review and looked for the trailer, which is usually up by then, but no trailer, so I thought the trailer would be late getting up. However, as I mentioned above, it supposedly has been up for 15 hours.
I've never uploaed anything onto YouTube otherwise the answer might be obvious, but how can it be so far off?
They REAAALLLYYY needed to do more Star Trek epsidoes like this!
It would have been really nice, at least in my opinion, to see an entire episode of Voyager where Janeway just sits in moping about her decision to stay in the Delta Quadrant. They *kind of* did this in their episode "Night," but we never got a good look into it other than Janeway finally realizing what a bad b*tch she is (and no, not in the good way).
@thenamelessone83 I'd have to disagree on the Picard would do the same thing idea. Picard would be the one to uphold Federation values and principles... even when everything comes crashing down around the dream.
The people who think this episode betrayed the Star trek ideal are stupid. It is the only description for them. The Federation was in a fight for it's life and if it lost the federation would have been dead and all those who lived in the federation would live under the iron boot of the dominion.
It is easy to have high ideals when you are safe but take that safety away and those ideals can not survive and nether can those who hold them.
Would Picard do the same thing? I think so. As smug, as sure of the federation values, as moral as he was, he would have known that the Federation morality and values could not survive under the Dominion and to protect those values he would have do what he has to do right or wrong.
Picard would have never admitted to him self that the situation had come to "do or die", he'd continue to tell himself that he could some how talk the romulans into helping right up until the bitter end
@thenamelessone83 Picard has on occasion done things that could be called immoral. In First Contact when the nameless redshirt with nanoprobes going through his veins is pleading with Picard for help, Picard doesn't hesistate to kill him. As he also killed the borgified Ensign Lynch.
As Lily said "You didn't even try [to save him]. Where was your evolved sensibility then?"
Everybody's human, even Picard. But it took the Borg violating him to bring out that darkness in him.
@thenamelessone83 good point, but Picard himself was rescued from assimilation so it wasn't impossible to save him. It's unclear whether the redshirt was asking to be killed or rescued. I think Picard's choice was correct, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an act of cold blooded murder. So it's still a grey area where he had to do something that was the lesser of two evils. And he did it without hesitation or regret, unlike Sisko who agonised about his choice before and after.
@JimPlaysGames True. That's why I said it's debatable. Picard wasn't in his right mind at the time and while his actions may have been the right thing to do the reason he did it may not have been justified, he could have killed the red shirt not out of mercy but his hatred for the Borg.
The Borg were the best thing to happen to The Next Generation. They humanized Picard, created real drama,shown the Federation wasn't all powerful and that there were real threats out there.
@thenamelessone83 it did "betray the Star trek ideal", it just so happens the startrek ideal is ridiculous standard that no one could ever expect humans to ever live up to
Is it possible, I wonder, to remove oneself from the "moral" of this episode, and admire the characterization and script? Obviously it ain't that easy, you needed a whole other video to talk about it.
And Sisko can't live with it. What would Section 31 have thought about this plot of his?
@thunderphoenix440 They'd have asked where to sign up. Hell, they pretty much did the same thing a year later when they felt the Romulans' commitment to the cause was flagging.
Ah, that explains why I didn't recall that part at the beginning where you describe the episode's genesis and give some praise to Ron Moore's writing.
Arguably the best episode in Trek. I guess Sisko does believe that the ends justify the means. Or the means justify the ends.
Joekitty001 1 month ago
Problem is, some views ispo facto make you evil. Tolerance inherently has limits. We wouldn't tolerate a murderer because we respect his right to think that killing people is okay.
The question is merely over where you draw the line. And, as you would expect, this isn't a place where people agree.
MrPodperson 1 month ago
been waiting for this to go back up
punkmonkoffunk 1 month ago
Great that this review is back up because I missed it and the accomp vid.
Easily my favorite DS-9 eps and one of the greatest Star Trek episodes ever made. (Even better than several movies.)
As for Gene's vision...after reading Shatner's movie memoires and seeing early TNG, it's clear to me that Gene lost sight of what ST was about. Even TOS has several eps with questionable decisions and/or actions. DS-9 just brought in the modern time and better written.
MaxRawhide 1 month ago
much love for this as the first DS9 ep I ever watched!
SamMerrell1 1 month ago
Oh, I LOVE that rendition of Old McDonald.
I almost want it for my ringtone.
StuffedAnimalAdvisor 1 month ago
After watching the follow-up, I thought of something interesting. The description of Sisko's actions as 'an act of evil to save billions of lives' or some such sounds very much like Karidian from 'Conscience of the King'. Main difference between the two was that Karidian's actions were both more public and was rendered useless. I wonder how Sisko would have felt if the Romulans declared war on the Dominion right as the senator's shuttle exploded...
Drazex 1 month ago
@Drazex I know what Sisko would have done. He wouldn't have said anything... He wouldn't admit he committed to an of unnecessary act of evil, because then that might be reason change the Romulans mind about joining the war of the side of the federation. As for what he would have felt... He horrible, just like in the episode maybe a lot worse. However he could live with it.
wolfmaster555 1 month ago
@Drazex well Sisko knew the Romulans will eventually enter the war anyway, since Bashir and his genetically engineered friends predicted it in their super-duper calculations.
so all he really did was speed up that process, which probably helped to defeat the Dominion by making the Romulan's war against them a surprise attack which they were not expecting and had no time to prepare for.
CIarKent 1 month ago
@CIarKent Well, not so much a surprise attack, so much as a war on multiple fronts. Germany's a prime example of this, suffering defeat in both world wars largely due to a war on multiple fronts (Russia/USSR on one side, and Britain/USA/etc on the other). Further, whether or not they would join 'eventually' is irrelevant, since taking multiple factions out individually is far easier than when united, even when they form a single front, due to captured resources, etc
Drazex 1 month ago
oh no, I am watching a video with an opinion. I will show outrage that not everyone in the world already conforms to my ethics. My voice must be heard by the least influential people I can find that have no personal relationship to me. I shall compare him to a nazi.........nazi's breathe oxygen and I am confident this asshole does also. To hell with him and his media empire of having a youtube channel with no advertising what-so-ever. Do you realize how long I had to search in order to hate you?
butchdeadlift10 1 month ago 7
"It's a FAKE!"
I still laugh at that one...
Decker22 1 month ago 5
Love the discussion of Sisko doing what he had to do, but I would like to point out one thing: TOS did at least one episode similar to this that I can think of offhand, "A Private Little War." There's a planet with some rare resource that's only useful to spacefarers. The planet is home to two primitive civilizations that have always coexisted peacefully, but now Kirk discovers that the Klingons have been arming one side with weapons beyond their technological capability and encouraging them to
aperson22222 1 month ago
attack the other species, with the idea that they'd own the planet and give the Klingons exclusive access to the phlebotinum. Kirk decided to arm the other group, knowing full well that this would corrupt a noble culture (which was based on questionable theories of rural simplicity, but hey, it was the 60s). McCoy was furious and railed against Kirk's plan to his face throughout the episode (providing a voice for the audience who have bought into Roddenberry's agenda), but in the end Kirk orders
aperson22222 1 month ago
Scotty to set up a forge and start making rifles. He knows he's condeming this planet to become the site of a running proxy war, and is disgusted with this, but he also knows he's doing what he has to do.
By the way, on the Darmok follow-up video you mentioned that most people have had misunderstandings over e-mail and the like because it involves words that are supposed to work in tandem with nonverbal cues having to stand on their own, so we're unsure about the tone of various comments. I'm
aperson22222 1 month ago
afraid I once had a friendship-ending conflict emerge from a misunderstanding that began with me repeating the "I'm so many kinds of awesome" line in this review. There was more to it than that, of course, but that, all by itself, provided the catalyst.
aperson22222 1 month ago
@aperson22222 Also the famous city on the edge of forever. Not only did the episode had a pro-military message and pointed out the naivety of extreme pacifism. It also had Kirk deliberately stopping Bones saving the life of Edith when he knew for sure that he would have successfully save her life. Quite an immoral act to impede with a rescuer. However he did a little evil act to prevent a greater evil from flourishing.
phantomdasilva 1 month ago
@phantomdasilva Sort of, but there are a few differences: 1. Edith was SUPPOSED to be killed. He was correcting an alteration to the timeline. 2. There wasn't the internal conflict among the crew. Despite Kelley's brilliantly selling the disbelieving anger of his line "You deliberately stopped me!" McCoy accepted Spock's explanation as soon as it was offered. 3. In the 60s especially, an adult audience would accept that the Nazis had to be stopped at any cost, so the controversy wasn't there.
aperson22222 1 month ago
The shame about ITPM is that I watched the episode recently with a few friends and none of them could really take the episode seriously as a result of Avery Brooks' acting. In their opinion, it was most definitely a fake. And I would have to agree. It's in my top 5 favourite Trek episodes for obvious reasons but unfortunately, the way Brooks acts in the scenes with Sisko recording the log border on unbearable sometimes (for me) and yet they're, well, rather an important part of the episode.
MachineMetropolis 1 month ago
@MachineMetropolis I hear ya. His passionate intensity was usually a great asset. Sometimes it just got in the way. Not sure I'd say that about this particular episode, though.
aperson22222 1 month ago
I love the review, and I especially love the follow up. I can't say much other than that I agree with the sentiments expressed.
That, and I also acknowledge that I fall prey to mistakes in how I treat others because of their viewpoints, just like anyone else, and just like you yourself have many times in your reviews, Chuck. (Which you acknowledged. If you hadn't acknowledged that, I would have felt your follow up video would be a bit lacking.)
Kyronea 1 month ago
my very favorite episode of Deep Space Nine.
doubleg137 1 month ago
You know whats funny Chuck? Its regarding the follow-up video. I agre with you. We should be able to say what we think and be able to live with it without becoming hostile or pointing out how wrong one is for thinking that way.
So just as a fun example. On your Doctor Who month video I wrote that the month was lost to me, that I dont like Doctor Who. And look what happened, my commentary was flagged so much that its marked as spam. Why? Because I dont conform with diehard fans.
Evolved indeed.
ThePariahDark 1 month ago
@ThePariahDark Well, that's what happens when you go looking for social evolution in Youtube comments...
Aravaganthus 1 month ago
@ThePariahDark I for one flagged your comment not because it expressed a minority opinion but because it was just plain rude, complaining about something that Chuck provides free of charge, and because it was inaccurate. Weekday projects never interfere with new Trek reviews on Saturdays, the main prize. I don't care for some of his projects, but I don't complain because I know I'll get a new Trek review every week just the same, which is what I started coming here for in the first place.
aperson22222 1 month ago
@aperson22222 saying "a lost month for me. I came to watch Chucks reviews for Star trek" is in my opinion not rude. I didnt mock Doctor Who, I didnt mock people who like it, I didnt said anything disrespectful against Chuck. I just stated two facts - that the month was lost for me and that I prefer Star Trek. An all out voyager month would be more fun in my opinion. But whatever.
ThePariahDark 1 month ago
@ThePariahDark Again, DW is a weekday project so there's nothing to preclude an all VGR month. The last all VGR month was August 2010 and we got four VGR reviews uploaded, one each Saturday. We've also just come off an extended all-DS9 stretch, but all kinds of stuff went up during the weekdays in there (though we did get one new DS9 review on a Tuesday).
aperson22222 1 month ago
@ThePariahDark If you don't want to watch next month, let me suggest reading Unity instead, if you haven't already. I started reading it in July 2010 to get my fix when Chuck took a five-week hiatus (now THAT could arguably be called a lost month). I was still working through it almost a year later, but I really loved it, especially the first half. It even inspired me to start thinking about my own crossover fic.
aperson22222 1 month ago
But, noooo, the Federation was too full on its own message of peace and understanding and diplomacy to notice the Milky Way is divided between the species that want to destroy the Federation and those that act like dicks towards it for no reason.
Aravaganthus 1 month ago
Easily my favorite ST episode ever. Far from betraying the Federation, I think Sisko is one of the few who take it seriously enough to get his hands dirty. If there had been more people in Starfleet willing to do what he did from the start, they could have solved the war earlier and without having to kill a Romulan senator.
Aravaganthus 1 month ago
not a fan of DS9, however this is one of my all time favorite Star Trek episodes.
DaytonaRoadster 1 month ago
I actually love this episode exactly because it is not Star Trek. Garak is one of the best characters in all of Trek lore.
garamonde 1 month ago
Picard would never do what Sisko did, and that's what makes Sisko better than Picard. Even though he knew what he was doing was wrong, and against every moral he was trying to protect, he still did it because he knew it was the right thing to do even though it was morally wrong. And all the while he showed that he knew that it was wrong, and knew that he had to live with that guilt the rest of his life.
sfs2040 1 month ago
@sfs2040 Exactly I agree! Now Picard MIGHT get away with the excuse of being the captain of the flagship but I think as if that can only go so far before it just doesn't work anymore! You know what I mean?
Sorry, but Picard can be a real big ass pussy sometimes, and would have had to have find another way around the whole bad situation to get it done, or just deal with the fact that it might not happen or give up something major to the Romulans for their help.
Kind of pathetic if you ask me...
internationalvibe 1 month ago
@sfs2040 'the right thing to do' 'it was morally wrong'
i'd just like to say i love you for being able to make that distinction.
Fintin 1 month ago
I find it interesting that (currently) it says that the video was uploaded 15 hours ago. However, this was uploaded no more than 2 hours ago. When I woke up this morning, I watched the review and looked for the trailer, which is usually up by then, but no trailer, so I thought the trailer would be late getting up. However, as I mentioned above, it supposedly has been up for 15 hours.
I've never uploaed anything onto YouTube otherwise the answer might be obvious, but how can it be so far off?
mitmfan 1 month ago
They REAAALLLYYY needed to do more Star Trek epsidoes like this!
It would have been really nice, at least in my opinion, to see an entire episode of Voyager where Janeway just sits in moping about her decision to stay in the Delta Quadrant. They *kind of* did this in their episode "Night," but we never got a good look into it other than Janeway finally realizing what a bad b*tch she is (and no, not in the good way).
internationalvibe 1 month ago
10/10 for me
agentm31 1 month ago
Sisko lied. Romulans died.
Tork110 1 month ago
was anything added to the follow up or just the main review?
Gailim 1 month ago
@Gailim There was something added to the follow up--although I don't know what.
mitmfan 1 month ago
@thenamelessone83 I'd have to disagree on the Picard would do the same thing idea. Picard would be the one to uphold Federation values and principles... even when everything comes crashing down around the dream.
willmandude 1 month ago
The people who think this episode betrayed the Star trek ideal are stupid. It is the only description for them. The Federation was in a fight for it's life and if it lost the federation would have been dead and all those who lived in the federation would live under the iron boot of the dominion.
It is easy to have high ideals when you are safe but take that safety away and those ideals can not survive and nether can those who hold them.
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thenamelessone83 1 month ago
Would Picard do the same thing? I think so. As smug, as sure of the federation values, as moral as he was, he would have known that the Federation morality and values could not survive under the Dominion and to protect those values he would have do what he has to do right or wrong.
Sometimes what has to be done HAS to be done.
thenamelessone83 1 month ago
@thenamelessone83
Picard would have never admitted to him self that the situation had come to "do or die", he'd continue to tell himself that he could some how talk the romulans into helping right up until the bitter end
doctorwhoknows1 1 month ago
@thenamelessone83 Picard has on occasion done things that could be called immoral. In First Contact when the nameless redshirt with nanoprobes going through his veins is pleading with Picard for help, Picard doesn't hesistate to kill him. As he also killed the borgified Ensign Lynch.
As Lily said "You didn't even try [to save him]. Where was your evolved sensibility then?"
Everybody's human, even Picard. But it took the Borg violating him to bring out that darkness in him.
JimPlaysGames 1 month ago
@JimPlaysGames That is debatable. Picard couldn't help them and (at least to Picard) being assimilated is a fate worse than death.
thenamelessone83 1 month ago
@thenamelessone83 good point, but Picard himself was rescued from assimilation so it wasn't impossible to save him. It's unclear whether the redshirt was asking to be killed or rescued. I think Picard's choice was correct, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an act of cold blooded murder. So it's still a grey area where he had to do something that was the lesser of two evils. And he did it without hesitation or regret, unlike Sisko who agonised about his choice before and after.
JimPlaysGames 1 month ago
@JimPlaysGames True. That's why I said it's debatable. Picard wasn't in his right mind at the time and while his actions may have been the right thing to do the reason he did it may not have been justified, he could have killed the red shirt not out of mercy but his hatred for the Borg.
The Borg were the best thing to happen to The Next Generation. They humanized Picard, created real drama,shown the Federation wasn't all powerful and that there were real threats out there.
thenamelessone83 1 month ago
@thenamelessone83 it did "betray the Star trek ideal", it just so happens the startrek ideal is ridiculous standard that no one could ever expect humans to ever live up to
doctorwhoknows1 1 month ago
@doctorwhoknows1 Bravo sir!
sfs2040 1 month ago
@thenamelessone83 "The people who think . . . are stupid. It is the only description for them."
Glad you took the follow-up video to heart.
aperson22222 1 month ago
This is my personal favorite DS9 episode in the series
Darkwizzrobe 1 month ago
Best DS9 ever.
ukmoore 1 month ago
This is my favorite review of yours to date. Thank for reuploading! I've been waiting waiting for this since your star trek reviews were taken down.
CloudofFate 1 month ago
IT'S A FAAAA....oh, sorry about that.
Is it possible, I wonder, to remove oneself from the "moral" of this episode, and admire the characterization and script? Obviously it ain't that easy, you needed a whole other video to talk about it.
And Sisko can't live with it. What would Section 31 have thought about this plot of his?
thunderphoenix440 1 month ago
@thunderphoenix440 They'd have asked where to sign up. Hell, they pretty much did the same thing a year later when they felt the Romulans' commitment to the cause was flagging.
aperson22222 1 month ago
Oh god, thank you for getting this back up. Definitely my favourite good episode review you've done (my favourite bad one being Twisted).
666deadman1988 1 month ago
A few changes and put back some stuff that had to be cut for time
sfdebris 1 month ago 2
@sfdebris
Ah, that explains why I didn't recall that part at the beginning where you describe the episode's genesis and give some praise to Ron Moore's writing.
shuboy05 1 month ago