Eye To Eye: Vaccines & Autism

[Challagar]

When I was a kid, vaccinations were not as common as today and we had way fewer cases of autism. Now it is more than 1 in 110 kids are being diagnosed as autistic.

[TheRealVenna]

A few things to keep in mind: this guy is a politician regardless of any degrees he has, I doubt he is currently practice medicine. Secondly, his wording is misleading. There was no 'court of law' it was the vaccine injury compensation program which is made up of doctors, not attorneys. Also, this child had a 'rare pre-existing condition" which the vaccines aggravated which caused 'autistic - like' symptoms but there's nothing saying she has actual autism or ASD...

[TheRealVenna]

@TheRealVenna Con't: further more, this case was 3 years ago and there has yet been another study that has come out showing again there isn't a link between vaccines and autism, not to mention the 'research' of Andrew Wakefield, who appears to be the biggest medical name in this debate, was discredited as fraudulent and he was stripped of his license to practice medicine. This is one of those 'read between the lines' things that you sometimes have to do with politicians. They can be tricksy.

[bengalslash]

@BiancaDarling that's funny since the electromagnetic energy given off by cell phones isn't strong enough to break the bonds of DNA. So what evidence is there to base your claims off of?

[murmur5555]

See: Andrew Wakefield's scientific fraud was worse than previously thought. Respectful Insolence is a top medical blogger.

[santurchena]

Who knows, there may be a link. It runs in my family so, in our case, we're born on the spectrum.

[lioralourie2]

@BiancaDarling Cell phones, wifi electrosmog, they all do cause DNA damage. So does prenatal Ultrasound cause cellular changes in the brain. So do all the neurotoxic drugs (Fentanyl, bupivacane, etc) brainwashed women use for a standard intervention laden hospital birth. But on top of all this vaccines not only contain mercury, aluminum and other poisons like Polysorbate 80 (linked to infertility in lab animals!) ALL vaccines cause mini strokes and mild, usually almost undetected braindamage

[bengalslash]

@lioralourie2 even though the electromagnetic energy given off by cell phone waves doesn't possess the required energy to create double stranded breaks in DNA? What a fail on your part. Ministrokes? What evidence to you base any of these claims on?

[AutismIsMercury]

Zeolite Powder Cures Autism Mercury Poisoning. Do NOT Vaccinate your children.

[oceanrose12]

population control! watch out for the new world order!

[ImperfectLaura]

Regardless of whether or not vaccines cause autism, I think our country is overvaccinated. I will not get flu, chicken pox, etc vaccines because I feel they contribute to an era of dependence on drugs, needles etc.

After enough people get vaccinated from whatever illness, it will probably mutate, leading to another vaccine. And you can see the cycle. People have gotten the flu for many years. Let them get it and build up their immune systems instead of trying to overdoctorize our society.

[bengalslash]

@ImperfectLaura you can't "build up" your immune system. It's already built.

[ImperfectLaura]

@bengalslash Wow wordy much? Boost your immune system then. Whatever. What I said has been said by many before. Google "build up your immune system" and you'll see plenty of links offering different kinds of advice on how they think you should do that. I don't agree with all of them, but build up your immune system is a pretty common phrase used by many sides.

[bengalslash]

@ImperfectLaura how would you build it? Would you engineer new complement? Would you recombine gene segments to produce new lymphocyte receptors? Feed your macrophages to make them bigger? Increase their ability to phagocytosize bacteria and dead cells? Facilitate the uptake of antigen by antigen presenting cells for eventual clonal selection by lymphocytes??? "common phrase used by many sides"? Please, "boost/build" you immune system is a quack phrase. How does one "boost"?

[ImperfectLaura]

@bengalslash I've been told by people who support vaccination that vaccines boost your immune system. And obviously, I've been told something very different from the other side. I'm not sure whether your issue is with that particular word or with my point. If it's with my point as a whole, then we actually have something to talk about. If it's with my word choice, then I have nothing more to add. It's stupid to get that wordy on youtube.

[bengalslash]

@ImperfectLaura so now TOO wordy.  I don't understand your notion that you shouldn't be specific when addressing a topic. What credible medical evidence makes you think immunization "leads" to dependence on drugs? DNA viruses mutates at a much lesser rate then RNA viruses because of the "spell check" type mechanism of dna polymerase. In most cases it does not matter if it mutates because those highly conserved epitopes can be taken advantage of.

[ImperfectLaura]

@bengalslash I mean more that my opinion of vaccines is a combination of scientific personal & religious beliefs. I don't have enough characters nor do I wish to discuss something like that fully on youtube.You want to disagree with me? Fine, vaccines are a complex & personal thing.I just don't agree with you attacking 1 little phrase & discounting my whole argument.It's what I believe & I've researched it. I'm not going to waste the time & energy debating those who don't want to get my point.

[TheRealVenna]

@ImperfectLaura Not to be argumentative or anything but if your position on vaccines is based ANYTHING besides science, your position really can't be upheld as factual and true because religion and their various beliefs are not fact and everyone believes something different. Faith and passion don't have any place when making a scientific determination and if science has proven, over and over and over, unable to find a vax/asd link, then these beliefs that there is one are in fact not factual.

[ImperfectLaura]

@TheRealVenna My personal belief is a combo of those 3. I've looked at it from all 3 angles & that's what I've come up with. If you come up with something else that's fine for you. And I have no connection to autism & don't really base my decision to vaccinate on the autism thing. My position is more about the quantity of things that are vaccinated for & how some of the diseases really aren't that life threatening to someone in my circumstance. I support informed consent either way you choose.

[bengalslash]

@ImperfectLaura I didn't actually "attack" you originally. I stated a fact. You may think you have a point, yet you provide no evidence from which you based that belief on.

[TheRealVenna]

@ImperfectLaura If your beliefs about vaccines have nothing to do with autism, you really don't have anything to add to this particular topic, since that's what this topic is about. While I see your point about some vaccines (E.g. flu and chicken pox [though people die from flu every year]) most vaccines in question are given to children to prevent life threatening diseases. And have you ever cared for a child suffering from chicken pox? That might change your mind about the vax for it.

[michael0156]

ironic is the worst and most effective type of shill, but he is not very good at it,

He tries to appear as an objective person making "obvious" statements agaainst a vaccine autism link. but he spits out the same subjective, lying rhetorical garbage of Big Pharma and the FDA/CDC official lines

Stop Hurting Kids ironon

Go to an autistic center and donate some time helping the victims of your craft

[michael0156]

Ironic says "Lots of Pubmed studies are flawed" Really? Give me some examples ironic

Ironic said "You can't use them to prove vaccines are unsafe but then distrust [others]..." and he also says trusting all Pubmed studies would be idiotic. Then he claims he doesn't see a problem with those 2 statements

Insidiously he says vaccines may cause autism & it's a proximate cause. Then says the chance is too slim to waste resources studying it

This is Big Pharma's position, not objective, not proved

[michael0156]

irononheroes, more shill generalizing lies. There are many good people in medicine/scientific research/regulatory agencies. They must work, provide for their families. Speaking out comes with substantial risk of unemployment. Jon Fishbein, David Graham, Frances Kelsey, Eric Topol, Steven Nissen are 5 government employees who withstood attacks from govt/industry. Hundreds have not fared so well. Some notables; Andrew Wakefield, Arpad Pusztai, Brooksley Born, Mark Purdey - heroes defending truth

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Irononheroes seems to be a paid misinformant. People like him spout utter nonsense of the sort no rational person would ever believe in.

[irononheroes]

Holy moly if anyone is a shill it is Andrew Wakefield!!!! You know how much money he has made selling.....VACCINES?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"You know how much money Wakefield has made selling.....VACCINES?"

He was just filling a perceived (but false) need, which is what all vaccinating doctors are doing. .

[irononheroes]

...and patented it so that only he could benefit from the profits...It's just silly to say that "he has not fared so well".

Lots of doctors go rogue, that does not make them better sources of information. Different viewpoints are critical and necessarily provocative, but to intentionally turn the public against the mainstream (with bad science) in order to line one's pockets is reprehensible. And you may think he was just filling a need, I think he created that need in order to fill it.

[irononheroes]

All students of biology and all med school students and interns need to be told that once they enter the field they will become evil! They must be taking classes on how to be callous, calculating killers. The ones specializing in pediatrics especially. I bet they just can't WAIT to stick poisons into helpless kids to give them debilitating illnesses! A life long dream! Wait, was that just a little bit smarmy? Must be spending too much time in these comment boards/echo chambers.

[truvelocity]

Now, wait just a minute, I have pediatricians and doctors in my immediate family and my younger daughter's goal is to become a pediatrician. Believe it or not, they agree with the views that vaccinations are not a "one size fits all" and there are dangers that are not addressed.

[irononheroes]

So do I . That is not enough to say that they are "evil" just because there are complications and some occasional adverse reactions/events.

[chiropractic47]

While you guys research if vaccines harm, we'll opt out of vaccines for now, is that ok with you? For now, we see em droppin like flies after vaccination.

[irononheroes]

well, not exactly "like flies"....

[zgadgets]

They are in too Deep to admit to a link.

He said it "The government would be responsible for all the children for the rest of their lives"

Parents and Doctor don't want to admit that they put their Patients and Children at risk

Its worst that letting a child molester baby sit . At least I know what to expect and who

and what we are Dealing with.

Mercury (Thermisol) a known Poison in any Form

Crimes Against Our Children KNOWINGLY

Deserves No Less Than First Degree Murder Charges

[bobyjhousinit]

translantic is a paid employee of a pharmaceutical company . You are absolutely right about the number of Autistic children increasing with each additional vaccine . Also thimerosal is only one of about a dozen troubling substances in vaccines like: phenols , monkey DNA , Formaldehyde , and Aluminum . All great things for your kids growing body .

[bobyjhousinit]

Doctors are 3 times as likely to exempt their own children from vaccination in the USA !! Every time the number of vaccines given to children increases , the percentage of Autistic , ADHD , and learning disabled children increases as well . There have been multiple studies showing these links , as translantic well knows . There are at least a dozen posts where this information is sited , but he always denies them and then says they do not exist .

[truvelocity]

"Doctors are 3 times as likely to exempt their own children from vaccination in the USA"

Yes, that's true, because educated people make educated decisions.

Studies on Pubmed sponsored by those who have a vested interest don't count.

Sorry, don't trust the pharmaceutical industry. No, actually, I'm not sorry.

[irononheroes]

That statement about the doctors is false. they do.

Those disorders are worrisome, but there could also be links to fetal distress during birth, c-sections, plastics, pesticides, any number of things can "turn on " a latent gene for brain disorders.

[truvelocity]

Pubmed studies on organomercuric compound used in shots causes cell damage, nerve damage, cell death. 18396886 9144456 4002571 7372500 144124 189429 4656338 5064064 5105305 5692474 13067679

[irononheroes]

But you don't trust Pubmed Studies....right? So are all the studies you mention above...corrupted by big Pharma? Should I even bother looking them up if they have been sponsored by a vested interest?

[truvelocity]

I trust Pubmed Studies that are done with the correct protocol, regardless of who's funding it But, then you have those who would say the same for alternative companies that manufacture enzymes that cure cancer. Double standard!

[michael0156]

ironic says "You don't trust PubMed studies... right?"

Do you trust ALL pubmed studies sweetie?

If you do I have some for you, but please tell me that all pubmed studies are truthful, please tell me that Big Pharma doesn't twist scientsits arms or bribe them to do what is wanted, please tell me that no bad science is done by any pharmaceutical company or funded by some of these companies... pleeeeese?

[irononheroes]

Any study is worth looking at if it is done scientifically, regardless of funding, regardless of the outcome.

[michael0156]

ironic says "any study is worth looking at if it is done scientifically..."

Of course, the truth is always refreshing. but ironic doesn't address the questions I asked him, ANY OF THEM. Shills are not interested in the truth, just stating the obvious in an attempt to look reasonable so they can ply their trade, which is lies to support big pharma

Stop hurting kids ironic

[irononheroes]

sorry, what other questions did you ask? No, I don't trust all studies, on PubMed or not.

And what on earth makes you think I support anything or anyone in particular?

[michael0156]

ironic, do you trust all pubmed studies?

This is a simple yes or no answer.

Stop hurting kids, shill

[irononheroes]

Do I trust them all? Trust has nothing to do with it. The answer is no, that would be idiotic.

[michael0156]

You better amke up your mind shill

Ironic says "Do I trust them all [PubMed studies]... no, that would be idiotic"

But previously ironic said to me regarding PubMed studies "You can't use them (Pubmed studies) to prove vaccines are unsafe but then distrust the ones that don't give you the result you want"

Learn how to think and remember, Stop shilling for big pharma

[irononheroes]

I have not been inconsistent.

Lots of PubMed studies are on the site are flawed -- that doesn't make it a less valuable source for research. You have to know how to scrutinize a study.

There are good studies and bad...I don't really see what the problem is.

Do you know how to tell if a study is valuable or if it can be disregarded?

[irononheroes]

You can't use them (Pubmed studies) to prove vaccines are unsafe but then distrust the ones that don't give you the result you want.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

The whole medical-pharmaceutical establishment is IMO an organised criminal enterprise set up to defraud people and to monopolise sickness care (including sickness creation, via vaccinations, under the guise of "disease prevention"). This does not mean that doctors are evil, only that they are trapped in an evil system.

[irononheroes]

The pharma-establishment is not all one big monopoly. Companies compete with one another for business, for contracts. we have a free market. They want to sell drugs; nothing too opaque about it. I wish I was a paid informant! That would entitle getting paid! I have no love for the pharma companies believe me, but sanitation and vaccination are two things the modern world has brought that have helped milions of people live where nature would have pinged off the weakest on their own.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

The claim that vaccines have saved millions of lives is a myth promoted by the medical-harmaceutical establishment, irononheroes. The truth s that vaccines have never protected or saved anyone, let alone saved millions of lives. I have three photo albums of infectious diseases graphs on my 'Vaccination Information Network' on facebook which clearly show that vaccines had no influence whatsoever on the remarkable decline in the mortality from infectious diseases over the past century.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Contd.

The medical-pharmaceutical industry may appear to be composed of a number of competing entities, but in reality it's all one big organised criminal enterprise. That does not mean that many if not most of the people who work in it are not dedicated and well-meaning health professionals and that some of what they do is not beneficial, but behind it all there is greed for power and money, utter ruthlessness and a population control and reduction agenda they are not aware of.

[irononheroes]

well, if there is a population control agenda they are doing a piss-poor job. Surely it can't be too difficult to kill off a couple of billion people and make it look like an epidemic? Why are we still so overpopulated?  Or is the plan so insidious it will take a hundred more years, since vaccines have been with us the same amount of time...?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

So far the genocidal agenda has been implemented according to the principle of "boiling the frog slowly," except for tainted vaccines given to Africans, causing devastation via AIDS; experimental hep B vaccine given to US gays which also caused them to died from AIDS, and experimental vaccines given to US soldiers which have killed thousands (due to vaccine-induced Gulf War Syndrome).

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Contd.

The so-called swine flu and the vaccination campaign is being staged to create a killer flu pandemc similar to the one in 1918, which was also vaccine-induced.

[irononheroes]

Gulf War Illness (no longer a syndrome-and NOT deadly) was systematically assessed by doctors both within and outside of the military. Pesticide exposure or toxic coatings on their uniforms are possible, but nothing is certain, though the anthrax vaccines have been ruled out. I have a good source on this, you cannot use GWI -- and I can put you in touch with the source. Plus, the US gov't offers full compensation for sufferers. Again, a lame way to kill people--with headaches and rashes.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Gulf War Syndrome is called a syndrome because there was supposedly no clearly recognisable cause. Syndrome or Illness - the fact is that thousands of veterans wave died from it. many are sick and dying. The veterans were told it was all in their head and given psychiatric drugs, while life-saving medical treatment was being withheld from them. The soldiers had been given experimental vaccines which sickened and killed them, among them soliders who were never deployed overseas.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Google 'Scott Siefken.' Scott suffered a severe skin problem as a result of vaccination. 90% of his skin was eventually surgically removed. He died a short time later. You can find a photo of Scott on Google Images.

[irononheroes]

I know that GWI has harmed lots of people, no one disputes that, least of all the government which offers compensation and recognition. But I wonder why, out of all the things that it could be, do you focus on the vaccines? If the military experimented on the troops secretly, they could have put microorganisms in their water. Or exposed them to undetectable amounts of gases or pathogens in the air. If anything they would test bio-weapons that Iraq had, which were not vaccines.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"Will it take a hundred more years?"

No, the swine flu vaccine, which is in fact a bioweapon, is designed to take care of things. I have just spoken to a Thai man this afternoon who was given a swine flu shot as part of a vaccine trial in September and who now has no strength in the right side of his body and can hardly walk.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Contd.

This has happened to a number of people who took part in the trial, and some have died, but there is total media silence about it.

Anyone who takes a swine flu shot runs the risk of disablement and/or death.

[irononheroes]

That is true, any vaccine has possible side effects that include all kinds of nasty reactions and even death. They do not deny or try to hide that fact.

So...since the H1N1 shot is in fact a bioweapon can we expect then, that in a few months everyone who took the vaccine will start experiencing the effects of the Thai gentleman you spoke of?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"any vaccine has possible side effects"

They are not "side-effects" irononheroes.

The harm vaccines cause is the intended purpose behind them. Vaccines are given to PROMOTE ill-health, NOT to prevent it.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Contd.

And yes, according to US neurosurgeon and health educator Dr Russell Blaylock MD (and others), people who take the swine flu shot can look forward to severe illness and a premature death. The casualties will be blamed on the swine flu (a mutated strain), which will cause many more people to get vaccinated, and in turn to get ill and die. This is in fact how the "Spanish flu" in 1918 came about.

[irononheroes]

Okay, okay, I know that is your point (that the intent of vaccines it to harm) , but I'm trying to get at WHY you have decided that is so. Yes, there have been unfortunate adverse events, but so far, with H1N1, not that many. It has been heralded as a very successful and safe campaign. So are you saying that the effects will simply be delayed so that it will not be easy to trace?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"So are you saying that the effects will simply be delayed so that it will not be easy to trace?"

Take Gulf War Illness. Whether it was vaccine-induced (as I believe it mainly was) is beside the point here. Thousands have died, and many more have become ill, yet there has been a virtual media black-out about it and many were denied medical treatment. It will no doubt be the same with swine flu vaccine injuries.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Contd.

The 1918 "Spanish" flu pandemic was also vaccine-related, but 90 years later this is still not acknowledged by the establlshment responsible. for obvious reasons, just as it falsely maintains that vaccines have saved miliions of lives.

[irononheroes]

Acknowledged by the establishment? You don't see astronomers debating with or even acknowledging the Flat Earth Society, not because there is a cover up but because it would waste everyone's time.

[irononheroes]

Your whole point is that vaccines are the cause of harm and that pandemics and all kinds of other illness were created by vaccines. You must see that this is a crazy assertion given the evidence.

[irononheroes]

Dr Russell Blaylock benefits from people fearing vaccines.

He sells supplements for $50 for a month's supply that will "repair" your brain. How can I take the word of someone like that? How can you?

[michael0156]

Ironic talks about blaylaock benefitign from something useless he convinces people to buyt

big Pharma has hundred's of examples of useless deadly "medicines" whose effects they cover up while people are injured/die from their use.

Yet ironic continues to defend big pharma by denying there could ever be a connection between vaccines and autism

Stop you rlying and deflection ironic. Stop hurting kids. Start telling the truth

[irononheroes]

Show me where I denied that vaccines could cause autism. Show me where I defend "Big Pharma".

At the very least, there are government restrictions on any medication that makes any sort of claim, and there are standards of testing and trials required to show safety. And we hear about deaths from drugs like Oxycontin, fen-phen, etc.

The fact that there are correlations with vaccines and autism does not prove causality. Vaccines could very well cause autism. But where is the proof???

[irononheroes]

Do you believe diseases occur in nature and that humans and animals are killed and made ill by pathogens?

[SharMess]

There is NO RIGOROUS RESEARCH BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH.!

[egodiosest]

cos everybody that has ever studied science has done it because they are evil.... why don't you study medicine/biology and do some yourself

[SharMess]

Science ISN'T taking into account WHY illness results WHEN it does. Federal government doesn't want to be responsible for HARMING people when they have, because it will break the bank. Where's your brain? Thank God there are researchers and doctors stepping forward to admit the truth about vaccines harming children and taking steps to protect the public's health.

I was disabled 10 years ago by a tetaus shot and I can't walk anymore. What do you know about this subject?

[irononheroes]

were you able to get any compensation for your disability?

[SharMess]

This doctor exposes the truth of the systme's intentions when he refers to children as "possessions" and "commodities" at 2:07. How may vaccinations can wel $ELL? Never mind how many may be screwed up along the way. What a phony piece of crap!

[transtlantic]

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try deny this

[transtlantic]

wow.... my comments are so buried...Toxicology of thiomersal:

Clarkson TW (2002). "The three modern faces of mercury". Environ Health Perspect 110 (S1): 1123. PMID 11834460Clarkson TW, Magos L (2006). "The toxicology of mercury and its chemical compounds". Crit Rev Toxicol 36 (8): 60962. doi:10.1080/10408440600845619. PMID 16973445

Pichichero ME, . (2008). "Mercury levels in newborns and infants after receipt of thimerosal-containing vaccines".Pediatrics 121(2):e20814

[Kinghercules]

You know when people be lying when they dance around the fuckin question.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

This doctor also asks: "Why do most children have absolutely no problem with vaccines?" There is a whopping le right there, for a start. In fact EVERY CHILD IS A VACCINE-INJURED CHILD, regardless of whether the damage is visible or not. Vaccines are devastating for children's develping brains and immune systems. Few children escape relatively unscathed.

[transtlantic]

you have no proof that vaccines do more damage, than say... for example pertussis, tetanus, diphteria, .... put together.

you keep not giving any explanation to why vaccines could even affect the brain Vax

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"Give proof that vaccines do more damage, than say.pertussis, tetanus, diphteria, .... put together."

No reliable statistics are available because there is no mandatory reporting of vaccine reactions or deaths anywhere in the world, nor are there any studies comparing the health of vaccinated with that of unvaccinated children. I wonder why. Would it by ay chance be that the truth of how devastating vaccines are must not be known!

[transtlantic]

vax -- you blocked me from your videos, are you afraid of me?

"reliable statistics"? but if you pick graphs from the places where you accuse of not being reliable...

and there is studies that compare the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated people: hospital records. or you so ignorant and crazy to forget to read the data from this sources.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"there is studies that compare the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated people: hospital records."

Your grammar is as shocking as your thinking. Anyway, where are the hospital records you talk about made accessible to the public?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

I try to improve my Englsih every day"

Sorry, I didn't know that Englsih wasn't your first language. Does that mean though that people form Portugal are as brain-washed about vaccination as people from anywhere else in the world?

[irononheroes]

Well, then, what is VAERS?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

VAERS is the US Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System which serves to record adverse events following vaccination on a voluntary basis. Because few doctors bother to report adverse vaccine deaths and injuries, it is generally estimated that only 1 - 10 % of actual reactions are reported/recorded.

The (rather troubling) VAERS figures therefore have to be multiplied by a factor of 90 - 99 to get an approximately true figure of actually occurring deaths and reactions.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

VAERS contd.

Also, the adverse events recorded are mostly the serious reactions. Then there are the hundreds of thousands of children who suffer minimal post-vaccinal encephalopathies (minor, in many cases almost imperceptible) brain damage following vaccination. This may then translate into developmental problems including speech and learning disorders and all the rest of it, yet a connection to vaccination may never even be considered. The same is true for childhood cancers and leukemias.

[irononheroes]

Do you also take into effect the adverse reactions reported that are not serious, but made by people claiming the reaction to be serious? You know, of course, that if I call in to report to VAERS that my skin fell off and I grew a second head they have to take my report seriously and record all the details?

I think your assumption that the number needs to be multiplied by a factor of 90-99 is, not a figure based in reality, not sure how you came to that multiplier.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

From the FDA webpage 'Vaccines, Blood and Biologics':

The incidence rate (how often events occur) cannot be calculated from VAERS data, because not all events are reported and the exact number of administered doses cannot be known.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Contd.

VAERS data are from a passive surveillance system and represent unverified reports of adverse events temporally associated with one or more vaccines. Such data are subject to limitations of under-reporting, simultaneous administration of multiple vaccine antigens, reporting bias, and lack of incidence rates in unvaccinated comparison groups.

Why is such a shoddy system not replaced with a scientific one? The reason is self-explanatory.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Did you hear this? This doctor said that "Our children are our most precious commodity.." A commodity? Vaccines are indeed the goose that lays the golden eggs for the medical-pharmaceutical industry - from the sale of vaccines, and from the treatment of the the wide-spread harm vaccines cause! Precious - commodity? Right! Like girl's and young women's "pelvic goldmines" currently exploited by means of Merck's magic crap Gardasil vaccine.

[transtlantic]

you keep forgetting that pharma corp loses money with the vaccines....

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"you keep forgetting that pharma corp loses money with the vaccines"

Yes, sure. The course of 3 shots of Merck's crap experimental Gardasil vaccine alone costs several hundred dollars. It costs tax-payers thousands of dollars to have a child fully vaccinated.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"because of diseases easily avoided if the population did not get vaccinated."

You got that something right for a change. Diseases such as diabetes, meningitis and autism are indeed easliy avoided if people are not vaccinated.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Governments and the medicalpharmaceutical establishment are in this criminal eneterprise together. The interviewer was excellent, The doctor's preformance was quite revealing, especially referring to our young as a precious rescource, considering that he and his colleagues routinely maim and kill babies and children by injecting them with highly toxic vaccines.

[transtlantic]

check "toxic" concept....

never seen a doctor "kill" a baby.

But i've seen some people do it, like the vegans, the no-vax,....

[irononheroes]

Ha ha I must admit I have a hard time picturing vegans being strong enough to kill anything...

[shuckydog]

One of the mistakes often made is that the Autism spectrum is a result of the same causal factors for all individuals. That is highly unlikely.

My family is prone to non-regressive autism and therefore I believe the cause in that case to be genetic or at least mostly genetic. However, I have spoken to intelligent parents who claim that their child regressed after the MMR. IMO it's patronising to dismiss their observations as coincidently noticing the symptoms for the first time.

[irononheroes]

I agree that it is patronizing.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Most children who get vaccines are NOT "pefectly fine". Every vaccinated child is a vaccine-injured child, even if it isn't obvious. Vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise. Vaccines DO NOT prevent diseases. They can't admit a connection, for the reasons stated on this video. The claims for compensation would be enormous.

[zantinite]

MY GRANDSON was VACCINATED WITH MMR AND FLU shots AT ONCE, HE IS IN THE HOSPITAL WITH A HORRID SKIN RASH COVERED FROM HEAD TO TOE. HE IS TESTED POSITIVE FOR MEASELS, MONO, EPSTEIN BARR, AND ONE OTHER I CAN'T REMEMBER. IT IS HORRID! I HAVE PHOTOS I will post on YOUTUBE SOON. HE IS 1 YEAR OLD AND IN QUARENTINED. IT MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH I hope he has a chance!!! Dr's are stumped. dahhh

Young mothers think twice!!!!

[irononheroes]

I was sorry to hear this. How is your grandson now?

[NostaljiRuzgari]

my son has changed after vaccination..he was a perfect little baby before his enjection,he was eye contacting,after his enjection he has changed,every time I mention this to his doctor,they are telling me '' NO there is no evidence injection can cause it'' :((( I can't make my voice heard :((

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"I can't make my voice heard"

That's because vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise. The harm done is not an accident, it's intentional.

[irononheroes]

I am so sorry to hear about your son. But there are many things that could happen to make him change. People don't make note of every situational event when children have a developmental shift, but it seems to correlate to vaccines because of confirmation bias. It is important to look for other things that could have happened and not be so committed to the vaccine theory for the sake of being thorough, Consider what else may be at play, and be open. That is the best way to advocate for him.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

If someone lies in the middle of the road with internal injuries and broken bones, these could have been caused by any of a number of factors, including being struck with satellite debris. The most likely cause is however still vehicle impact.

It's strange that when babies or children are injected with toxic vaccines, any problem that occurs couldn't possibly have been caused by the vaccine, as vaccines are said to be safe. Talk about idiocy!

[irononheroes]

Yes, you are right. When it happens around the time a vaccine happens, it's easy to tie the two together. But what about all the kids who develop problems 6 months after? Or from birth? Or a year later...or in kids not vaccinated? I suppose you will make any occurence fit your theory. I could do the same thing. ..Electro-magnetic fields--have you noticed how autism has increased with the number of electronic devices people bring into their homes?? Or preservatives in foods?  or GM foods

[vaccineshurtbabies]

You are quite right, irononheroes. The illnesses and disorders in children (and adults are caused by any of a number of factors, including those you mentioned, or any combination of them.

However, vaccination is clearly as a major source of disturbance, as the poisoning of the organism with the neurotoxic and allergenic biological and chemical agents represents a major assault on the immature and developing immune and nervous systems.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Contd.

The absence of short- and long-term studies comparing the health of vaccinated with those of unvaccinated children is a clear indication of the criminal nature of vaccination as an ideology and that - far from it being a method of disease prevention - it is in fact an organised criminal enterprise disguised as health protection.

[irononheroes]

Kids with the most vaccines live in the west. Kids with the fewest vaccines live in developing countries. Where will you find cholera, malaria, rubella, polio, pertussis, diptheria etc etc in the highest numbers? Which children (or teens, or adults) will have the best health if given physical examinations determining overall health? Do you want me to put you in touch with an African-based epidemiologist --do you know what he would say? What do you consider "health"-what are your criteria?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

Kids are sicker in developing countries because of malnutrition, unclean drinking water and vaccines. They are healthier in developed nations because of better living conditions. Google 'Dr A Kalokerinos inteview.'

[RogerDodger69]

Did he call our children a "commodity"? WHAT KIND OF FUCKED UP PEOPLE WORK IN GOVERNMENT! Vaccinate their ass, if they get autism then it's for the public good!!!

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"Did he call our children a "commodity"?

Yes he did. Obviously because this commodity is there to satisfy his sadistic tendencies by sticking needles into them, while at the same time reaping financial rewards. It's a paradise for psychopaths like him.

[transtlantic]

so...people who use seeds and weeds to heal are fine?

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"so...people who use seeds and weeds to heal are fine?"

I certainly would choose one of THE rather than oncologists who use WW1 chemical warfare poisons to cure cancer.

[transtlantic]

vax--- you blocked me from your videos, therefore you must be afraid from my reasonable arguments...

oncologists heal more cancers using medical knowledge than any of the frauds who use seeds and weeds.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"oncologists heal more cancers using medical knowledge"

I reckon that their treatments kill the patients quicker than the cancer does. I guess they consider it a cure of sorts: "the patient doesn't suffer from cancer any more...only, he's unfortunately dead!" Hmmm...

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"tell the source saying that oncologists kill the patients more quickly than the cancer itself"

Yes, me. Also others, like Edward G Griffin in his book and video "World without Cancer", or Moss in his book about the corrupt Cancer Industry. As the saying goes, there are more people making a living from cancer than die from it", and "there is a lot more money to be made from looking for a cancer cure than there is from finding a cancer cure."

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"Edward G Griffin"

I hasve met Edward. He's a fine man who has done outstanding research on a number of issues - unlike the usefukl idiots and willing fools who work for vaccination mafia or in the cancer industry.

[antibacterialgel]

Very naive to think that the government is here for our best interest

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"Very naive to think that the government is here for our best interest"

Government AND vaccination are an organised criminal enterprise, and they are both in it together.

[rockman1969]

The government said that vaccines are good. Nothing more needs to be said. The government would not lie tous. The government is here to help us. If it weren't for the government we would all die of starvation or diseases or murderers. People need to stop questioning the good and holy government. Do what you are told. They know better than all of us.

[hockeytownjack]

there is no evidence at all. move on...

[savannah3520]

there is such an obvious link!!!! Why don't u people get it!!

[kristinaheckel]

i know!!!! my brother is a perfect example.... born normal then vaccinated.... now has autism....

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"my brother is a perfect example.... born normal then vaccinated.... now has autism...."

Sorry to hear that. Watch the 5-part youtbe series 'Vaccination: Miracle or Mayhem?'

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"there is such an obvious link!!!! Why don't u people get it!!"

Indeed. It's a case of "None are so blind as those who do not want to see!"

[transtlantic]

where is the obvious link?

[NoemieArmstrong]

Mercury is a red herring. It's the flouride in the water, not the mercury! Aaaaaaah!

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"It's the flouride in the water, not the mercury!"

It's both - and also the aluminum in vaccines, as well as vaccines that don't have mercury in them. Watch the youtube video 'Creating a nation of zombies.'

[Soobriety]

I got a place for them to start- stop using MERCURY in the vaccines.....

[pivot3214313]

my fathers friend got autism from a vaccine

[TripleGangstaX3Mitze]

I got diabetes from fucking vaccines.

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"I got diabetes from fucking vaccines"

I'm sorry, but not surprised, to hear it. In According to a letter by Dr B Classen published in the New Zealand Medical Journal, there was a 60% increase in insulin-dependent diabetes in children following the first hep B vaccination campaign, some years ago. Dr Classen expected a similar ncrease to follow hib vaccination campaign which was being announced at the time.

[transtlantic]

another lie from vax....

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"another lie from vax...

You lose every time, cause I have truth on my side. On googling 'Classen hep B vaccine causes diabetes', I came up with 10,100 entries.

Dr Classen's letter was published in the New Zealand Medical Journal of 24 May 1997.

Now go and eat your hat.

[transtlantic]

omg...that diabetes case! what shall i do?

here: first the disease HVB is linked to diabetes, not the vaccines. that is a common mistake made by the ignorant anti-vax.

second: dr Classen promotes immunization, is proven wrong in many subjects( he should be more carefull) and is not against vaccines.

now go and read the books about health that i keep posting

[vaccineshurtbabies]

You said I was lying when I said that Dr Classen had a letter published in the NZMJ in which he said that the hep B vaccine had caused a 60 % increase in juvenile diabetes. I have shown you that my claim was correct, and you don't like it, so you go off into a number of unrelated arguments. I recokon you are a troll paid by the vax mafia to discredit anti--vaxers and their arguments.

[transtlantic]

1) vax, you've blocked me from your videos, that shows how afraid you are from my arguments.

2) i read the letter and some of the work of dr. classen, most has a very bad critic, mainly he does not do double-blind research.

3) i told you are lying because the relation to hep B and diabetes as nothing to do with the vaccine. and you can check literature, apart from the well reffuted dr classen.

Dr.Classen btw is not against vaccination,

[vaccineshurtbabies]

"Dr.Classen btw is not against vaccination"

No he isn't; he's in may ways as brain-washed as the rest. But that was not what the argument was about. You (wrongly) disputed that a letter of his was published in the NZMJ in which he said that there had been a 60% increase in juvenile diabetes in children who had got the hep B shot,.

[mrtvman]

cool