they are full shit and promoting hate against white people and christianiy
ever wondered what the you turks stays for??? The young turks were a nazi movement in turkey who pushed government for genocide on the armenian christians in the osman empire.
anti racism or any anti conservative is a code word for anti white and conservative
i would say the the Turks should keep away from American voting system or their political ,you people should tell them first make the human right a little better in that area where they named turkey they have occupied few countries land but strangely USA and EU plus Israel is covering all those things they do
You have a very loose interpertation of what Glen Beck was saying. In fact, I would say that you are rationalizing his speach adding more information that Glen Beck probably has not even heard before. Your reasponce does not really fit what Glen presented.
No. The Young Turks hates being quiet, HE MUST YELL TO MAKE A POINT AND TALK AS OBNOXIOUS AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE HIS POINT ACROSS WHILE YOUR EARS BLEED TO HIS LOUD IRRITATING BITCHY MAN VOICE!
@TMNTPIZZA just because they're comedic doesn't mean they're awesome, they are left wingers that are into media, that's like being shot and stabbed at once.
I enjoyed listening to this. Especially since this is the first time I've heard someone noticing the same pattern as what I have. Data and statistics are used in abundance while the essence of the topic is ignored; using the data as a way to mislead the general populous.
Prevalent in politics without doubt, but is used as virtually a debate in its entirety when liberalism is involved.
That and yes, there is a distinct lack of personal judgement when it comes to perceiving data.
Youngturks are incredibly patronizing I would estimate half their videos are just rants about the republican party. Most of their viewers tend to be young and naive I can see why people so easily fooled. Check out an interview with Cenk Uygur upw0YmNpNGM
@darkstar3x16 "Most of their viewers tend to be young and naive I can see why people so easily fooled"
i used to watch the Y. turks everyday and i followed their reason, i agreed with them, i supported them, i loved them. Now i just shake my head about the past. I was very ignorant about the whole picture, exactly what Papitwitness pointed out to and i didnt realy care about other views. I had the exact naive "position" about conservatives and i thought i knew all better. gosh i was deluded
Thomas Jefferson was educated at a local presbyterian school run by William Douglas, from age 9. He later went to a school run by James Maury, before going to the College of William and Mary.
You are obfuscating. Glenn Beck's mention of Thomas Jefferson etc. was an attempt to *justify* home-schooling, as was the whole interview. And if he evoked those names to show why parents need not be worried about home-schooling, then it's just totally wrong. They weren't schooled *by their parents*.
I think this data might contradict your sweeping generalization about "Liberals" . While you are busy bashing the liberals don't ever forget that Albert Einstein, Pythagoras, Alan Turing, Robert Openheimer, Jonas Salk, Bertrand Russel, and Bill Gates have all had liberal tendencies.
However there was a generalization made about a large group of people without a shred of empirical data. I offered a subset of this group that were the exact opposite.
The problem you seem to obfuscate here is that we are talking about a tradition within the American academia.
Furthermore, do you believe homeschooling will help specialize the American conservative to compete on the global market? Because this is the stance you take in this video.
What is the conservative position.?
Are you to be one of those who prejudge intention by political view.
As you may or may not know, everyone is working for the society to prosper, economically and diplomatically.
...and one other thing to anyone who might "thumbs up" this video: quit fucking calling yourselves Libertarian, because you aren't. Academic libertarians have a grounded, well-reasoned approach to politics, and while I don't agree with many of their ideas, they actually do have a solid ideological foundation. This Glenn Beck "Diet" libertarianism bullshit is for small-minded morons.
Right. You're exactly right. The conservative argument almost always appeals to a consistent, logically sound ideological framework. For example, most conservatives want smaller government but argue for a larger military budget. They also want to fix the deficit while supporting unfunded tax cuts. Oh, and they argue for the "sanctity of life" while being pro death penalty. Give me a fucking break. Every position you retards take is contradictory.
yes public education lacks "intergration" within different sciences, philosophies and arts but you think kids being taught at home is any better? u have to realize parents aren't smart, they don't know everything, and they certainly wouldn't have any idea about "intergrating" their kids into these subjects. parents are busy, parents are lazy, parents are dumb. besides how can you be intergrated anywhere, if you spend ur whole day at home being taugh by ur mom and dad????
@PapistWitness I really think what Beck was attempting to say was something more along the lines of "Look at these individuals, they were great, they were home schooled", I think he was just trying to connect greatness with home schooling, to push his crazy ass agenda.
Your video basically address the lack of holistic learning that used to be the norm. Now it's the for-profit model of post-secondary education that doesn't teach kids how to think, & it's nice to see
The title of the TYT video was probably a reference to the whole "unschooling" trend that they were taking a look at, which used "home schooling" as a delivery platform. A little bit dishonest? Sure. The title could have been better selected, but as you mentioned, wider scope is important.
To note, I'm a huge fan of Cenk and The Young Turks. In fact, after watching an enormous amount of their videos, I completely switched the conservative ideology i carried to a more liberal one. But to be honest, I was starting to get a little worried I was beginning to form my political views on entirely what Cenk and the crew said. So to get to my point, thank you PapistWitness! It's nice to see a perfectly lagit argument against Cenk that make sense that is factual and logical.
thank you very much for promoting logic! it's annoying when people try to take the shortcuts and ditch the facts. the only way to arrive at the truth is to research each subject yourself from a bipartisan standpoint.
@benympls dont get me started on public schooling good ideal in theory but when it physically manifests its the worst ideal since fruit cake. just so you know affirmative action is not funding for school that is several laws including no child left behind, affirmative action is saying a non white gets a job / scholar ship / or what have you because they are non white, not because they are the best qualified. which isee why itcame about but to keep it around forever is insulting to those it isfor
@majikninja07 dont patronize me i know what affirmative action is & its WRONG. Its a band aid for not fixing the schools, its admitting well you cant compete cause we know how shitty your schools are so will pull up a couple of you every year & leave the rest behind. The major problem with the public schools is how the funding comes from property taxes, its obvious in that equation poor neighborhoods will have worst schools! i do believe education is a right but i dont agree with welfare.
So... ALL liberals don't understand how to use logic... is the deduction... Based on the SINGLE EXAMPLE of a technically well constructed argument against Glenn Beck's factless rail on people who's CAREER it is to instruct youth (all in the typical Beck-esque effort to turn people against an administration- feel afraid of it, distanced from it, IN EVERY WAY simply because it is democratic).
Awfully hypocritical considering your closing comments.
@PapistWitness No, watch your video. You clearly claim that ALL liberals -liberals in general- don't know 'basic logic and argumentation and a broad education', or whatever slight variation of that you were trying to articulate.
@PapistWitness Liberals know facts, therefore they don't have a general and more broad education (? HOW? Did you explain this? No! Of course not! Aside from it being and incorrect assessment of the university system and elementary schools everywhere), and therefore they aren't good with logic. <- is the train of... "logic" if I recall correctly.
So I'm just sayin', there's a huge, glaring, typical Republican hypocrisy coming out of this video, and you seem rational enough to admit it.
@PRO7E that's not at all what this video was saying. you've just made yourself another example of sacrificing logic to prove a point. he was saying that these facts may be true, but some of them are irrelevant and misleading. allowing the textbook facts to guide you is avoiding having to use logic to come to your own conclusions about the truth of each matter.
you're a perfect example of the type of person against whom this video warns.
@sandielephant Talk about going out of your way to defend something indefensible...
Did you really just say that "allowing TEXTBOOK FACTS (!!!!? FUCKING... FACTS!!!!) to guide you is avoiding having to use logic to come to your own conclusions about the truth of each matter". I can't even begin to explain to you how much is wrong with that!
Because liberals use facts to base their logic, they aren't coming to a logical truth about a matter? WHAT? WHAAAT!?
@sandielephant If you are using logic but not using facts, then you must literally make shit up to fit a logic- as many politicians, but liberals to a lesser degree, do so well. And whats the point of making shit up if you don't already have a logical conclusion you're trying to justify. Like defending an oil company or campaign funding organization.
You don't understand logical process and are in way over your head.
Evdnc: you think fact-less logic is more valid than a fact based counterpart...
@sandielephant Textbook fact is the closest thing humans can honestly come to being 'truth' (without the involvement of faith!).
If the facts lead to a conclusion, it is the proper one, end of story.
You don't get to logic your way into whatever you feel like without facts. That's how dumbass shit like genocides and other atrocities of humanity and rights are perpetuated.
Just so you don't embarrass yourself again: facts cant, by their definition, be misleading, ever. They're facts.
@sandielephant Only opinions based on fact can be misleading, which liberals obviously provide once they state a fact, to use the evidence of the fact to support an opinion. Whereas republicans (not consrvtvs) tend to just lie and pretend its a fact- deducing logic from a fallacy.
There is no such thing as truth, only your opinion of something. I think gravity happens, because of the overwhelming evidence. Liberals provide more evidence and less lies, and therefore, their logic is more valid.
@PapistWitness I bet you made separate youtube accounts just to vote yourself up. BTW I didnt realy want to listen to the whole video because of the statement "All Liberals yada yada yada" that instantly turned me off and gave me a clear vision of what kind of mindset you have, a very neurotic, closed minded one. Typical Conservative mindset.
@DaKevins You know, you didn't to watch the video. All you had to do was to turn to a different page, close out the browser, or something else that involved you leaving.
Well, I think you could also say that Cenk was saying that, they might have turned out okay, but since there was no public schooling, they're nothing special.
Yeah the young turks are quite awful. Cenk hates this country and will do whatever he can to destroy it. He seems to loath the ideals that have built the foundation for everything this country stands for. It's really quite ironic when he talks about how biased and out of touch Glenn Beck is... I feel sorry for the poor souls that give these ass clowns any credence.
@TheDorkKnight1000 Wait what? Cenk actually knows and understands the principles the US was founded on and fights for them because modern US politics have gone so far away from the founding principles. The US was founded as a secular country; it is now the most politically Christian country in the world.
@2484Stryker Your comment makes me think that you didn't actually watch the video since PapistWitness spent 8 minutes responding to the point you just made. This really isn't a response to the video. It's just saying what PapistWitness is trying to respond to.
Great video. I was a bit offended by the video. Cenk said he wasn't against home-schooling, but had said that conservatives want to take kids out of public education (i.e.: home school them) so they can be ignorant and susceptible to their propaganda.
And you're right: the point Glenn Beck was making is that Jefferson and Washington were brilliant men who were homeschooled.
You make many good points. I would say that home schooling is a perfectly good option. Public schooling needs much attention if what I read is true: That 20% of Americans cannot identify their own country on a globe. I think that education should be the responsibility of the whole community. As for Beck, he invites ridicule.
You said progressives get bogged down in particulars, well thats what life & policy is... ITS DETAILS. The conservative mind set is easy because its simply "survival of the fittest" witch is a "fuck it" attitude, and is rather lazy intellectual. It gives a pass to the most powerful to do what ever they want.
@PapistWitness Yes, but ignoring the details can often distort the big picture. The big picture here is that Beck's arguing for home schooling against public system, and he used Jefferson as an example, suggesting that they turned out so well because of being home schooled
Well, Cenk is saying that Jefferson is a BAD example, since home schooling was the ONLY OPTION. Maybe they could've turned out even better if they had gone through a public system, if it had existed.
@2484Stryker If the goal of American education is to excel at standardized tests, then why aren't liberals aware of the fact that homeschoolers usually excel at it?
@LexPhilogus Really? Homeschoolers on average do better than students who went through the public school system? (note: I'm not being skeptical here, I'm sincerely intrigued). At the end of the day, my sole gripe with homeschooling is my suspicion that the majority of parents who choose this route don't really know what they're doing, and the thus the kids end up socially inept and academically handicapped.
@benympls your bias against conservatives is based on the republican party since reagan how about you look at conservatives not those who pay lip service to it mm kay?
@majikninja07 I agree to a point, i like Ron Paul to an extent and i certainly like him more than lets Mitch McConnal(how ever you spell his name). But i just disagree with conservatives on certain key issues(but i also disagree with Pelosi Lib's). 1)Affirmative Action is BS but the schools MUST be funded evenly. Its society responsibility to provide an education but its the child responsibility to make something with that education. I have a few others but that is my major beef with the right
@migkillertwo Yes, but the problem after a few months of reading philosophies from famous philosophers such as Plato, Descartes, Kant, Nietzsche, Beauvoir, Marx, Gadamer, Wittgenstein, and Chomsky is an increasing number of people with political fundamental understanding, which in turn will oppose corporatism and monopolism to interfere with politics.
That would be a sad day for all the authoritarian autosadists (politically conservative) out there..
The RepubliKKKan party is a cult.
waitaminutemofos 4 days ago
#TeamTYT
waitaminutemofos 4 days ago
they are full shit and promoting hate against white people and christianiy
ever wondered what the you turks stays for??? The young turks were a nazi movement in turkey who pushed government for genocide on the armenian christians in the osman empire.
anti racism or any anti conservative is a code word for anti white and conservative
meProudToBeCaucasian 3 weeks ago
i would say the the Turks should keep away from American voting system or their political ,you people should tell them first make the human right a little better in that area where they named turkey they have occupied few countries land but strangely USA and EU plus Israel is covering all those things they do
Qendil2 1 month ago
You have a very loose interpertation of what Glen Beck was saying. In fact, I would say that you are rationalizing his speach adding more information that Glen Beck probably has not even heard before. Your reasponce does not really fit what Glen presented.
KazokuMugiwara 2 months ago
No. The Young Turks hates being quiet, HE MUST YELL TO MAKE A POINT AND TALK AS OBNOXIOUS AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE HIS POINT ACROSS WHILE YOUR EARS BLEED TO HIS LOUD IRRITATING BITCHY MAN VOICE!
HisagiShuhei 4 months ago
Thank God someone realized the incredible stupidity of the young TURDS
tonyxBAx 4 months ago
Exercise diction and articulation...
SmartSeer 6 months ago
This is a very good and smart video.....and nice bookshelf
LogSNES 6 months ago
@TMNTPIZZA just because they're comedic doesn't mean they're awesome, they are left wingers that are into media, that's like being shot and stabbed at once.
ProIsraelrepublican 7 months ago
but if republicans like glen beck are not educated, how are they supposed to connect the dots? "which the liberals can't do"
aingaran2003 8 months ago
1:12 I couldn't have said it any better. Liberals will have facts; but, they generally fail at connecting the dots and seeing the bigger picture.
RolandeMusic 8 months ago
I enjoyed listening to this. Especially since this is the first time I've heard someone noticing the same pattern as what I have. Data and statistics are used in abundance while the essence of the topic is ignored; using the data as a way to mislead the general populous.
Prevalent in politics without doubt, but is used as virtually a debate in its entirety when liberalism is involved.
That and yes, there is a distinct lack of personal judgement when it comes to perceiving data.
Bible anyone?
AntiStupidity 9 months ago
Khazars were Turks
christianroots 11 months ago
The Young Turks are radically and hatefully bias? LoL
freakman707 11 months ago
The Turks are Awsome!!! Don't listen to this idiot
TMNTPIZZA 1 year ago
Youngturks are incredibly patronizing I would estimate half their videos are just rants about the republican party. Most of their viewers tend to be young and naive I can see why people so easily fooled. Check out an interview with Cenk Uygur upw0YmNpNGM
Overthrow the establishment? bring honest media?
darkstar3x16 1 year ago 8
@darkstar3x16 "Most of their viewers tend to be young and naive I can see why people so easily fooled"
i used to watch the Y. turks everyday and i followed their reason, i agreed with them, i supported them, i loved them. Now i just shake my head about the past. I was very ignorant about the whole picture, exactly what Papitwitness pointed out to and i didnt realy care about other views. I had the exact naive "position" about conservatives and i thought i knew all better. gosh i was deluded
Serpico261 4 months ago
The teachers aren't to blame but the out of control kids who just don't want to learn.
darkstar3x16 1 year ago
And conservatives have a good grasp on liberal positions?
Oh look you just contradicted yourself. Homeschooling was the only option for Jefferson, etc.
Homeschoolers will not do the same homeschooling as those in the time of, what, 17-18 hundreds?
Thomas Jefferson /made/ a university and was a teacher. I doubt he would have hated public schools.
Blame schools for shitty teachers?
HomoCyborgZombie 1 year ago
Thomas Jefferson was educated at a local presbyterian school run by William Douglas, from age 9. He later went to a school run by James Maury, before going to the College of William and Mary.
You are obfuscating. Glenn Beck's mention of Thomas Jefferson etc. was an attempt to *justify* home-schooling, as was the whole interview. And if he evoked those names to show why parents need not be worried about home-schooling, then it's just totally wrong. They weren't schooled *by their parents*.
plevyman 1 year ago
1997 Pew Poll of American Scientists
52% - liberal
35% - moderate
9% - conservative
I think this data might contradict your sweeping generalization about "Liberals" . While you are busy bashing the liberals don't ever forget that Albert Einstein, Pythagoras, Alan Turing, Robert Openheimer, Jonas Salk, Bertrand Russel, and Bill Gates have all had liberal tendencies.
cartoeratos 1 year ago
@cartoeratos
You would be an example of what PapistWitness is describing. You're throwing statistics at us and completely ignoring what he was talking about.
Raizing90 11 months ago
@Raizing90
Possibly?
However there was a generalization made about a large group of people without a shred of empirical data. I offered a subset of this group that were the exact opposite.
But whatever is fair to you I guess.
cartoeratos 11 months ago
The problem you seem to obfuscate here is that we are talking about a tradition within the American academia.
Furthermore, do you believe homeschooling will help specialize the American conservative to compete on the global market? Because this is the stance you take in this video.
What is the conservative position.?
Are you to be one of those who prejudge intention by political view.
As you may or may not know, everyone is working for the society to prosper, economically and diplomatically.
Ulrna 1 year ago
...and one other thing to anyone who might "thumbs up" this video: quit fucking calling yourselves Libertarian, because you aren't. Academic libertarians have a grounded, well-reasoned approach to politics, and while I don't agree with many of their ideas, they actually do have a solid ideological foundation. This Glenn Beck "Diet" libertarianism bullshit is for small-minded morons.
GENERICCEREAL67 1 year ago
Right. You're exactly right. The conservative argument almost always appeals to a consistent, logically sound ideological framework. For example, most conservatives want smaller government but argue for a larger military budget. They also want to fix the deficit while supporting unfunded tax cuts. Oh, and they argue for the "sanctity of life" while being pro death penalty. Give me a fucking break. Every position you retards take is contradictory.
GENERICCEREAL67 1 year ago
yes public education lacks "intergration" within different sciences, philosophies and arts but you think kids being taught at home is any better? u have to realize parents aren't smart, they don't know everything, and they certainly wouldn't have any idea about "intergrating" their kids into these subjects. parents are busy, parents are lazy, parents are dumb. besides how can you be intergrated anywhere, if you spend ur whole day at home being taugh by ur mom and dad????
ergoproxyism 1 year ago
TYT are fucking horrible
sonick808 1 year ago
@PapistWitness I really think what Beck was attempting to say was something more along the lines of "Look at these individuals, they were great, they were home schooled", I think he was just trying to connect greatness with home schooling, to push his crazy ass agenda.
TurkeyForSale 1 year ago
The goal of education is to think analytically,and that is something Fox fans just don't do
ohwnou 1 year ago
booooooorrrriIinnnnnnggg....
as far as "university" and classical learning: "jack of all trades, master of none"
Seriously though you remind me of an extreme moderate. thanks for bringing up some nice points.
Rac665 1 year ago
The main problem with home schooled kids is that they lack social skills.
mkdelux 1 year ago
Your video basically address the lack of holistic learning that used to be the norm. Now it's the for-profit model of post-secondary education that doesn't teach kids how to think, & it's nice to see
The title of the TYT video was probably a reference to the whole "unschooling" trend that they were taking a look at, which used "home schooling" as a delivery platform. A little bit dishonest? Sure. The title could have been better selected, but as you mentioned, wider scope is important.
Crespire 1 year ago
To note, I'm a huge fan of Cenk and The Young Turks. In fact, after watching an enormous amount of their videos, I completely switched the conservative ideology i carried to a more liberal one. But to be honest, I was starting to get a little worried I was beginning to form my political views on entirely what Cenk and the crew said. So to get to my point, thank you PapistWitness! It's nice to see a perfectly lagit argument against Cenk that make sense that is factual and logical.
plywss 1 year ago
@plywss please please please don't look to one outlet for your world-view. TYT especially. You need as many sources as possible
sonick808 1 year ago
i cant agree. beck rarely knows what he is saying, and if there is some order
or organization to something he says, its either accidental or you put it there
via your own methods of understanding. thats how tyt looks at beck, a
senseless clown with an audience that puts "worth" or value into his words
on their own.
jumbobobcleo 1 year ago
thank you very much for promoting logic! it's annoying when people try to take the shortcuts and ditch the facts. the only way to arrive at the truth is to research each subject yourself from a bipartisan standpoint.
sandielephant 1 year ago
@benympls dont get me started on public schooling good ideal in theory but when it physically manifests its the worst ideal since fruit cake. just so you know affirmative action is not funding for school that is several laws including no child left behind, affirmative action is saying a non white gets a job / scholar ship / or what have you because they are non white, not because they are the best qualified. which isee why itcame about but to keep it around forever is insulting to those it isfor
majikninja07 1 year ago
@majikninja07 dont patronize me i know what affirmative action is & its WRONG. Its a band aid for not fixing the schools, its admitting well you cant compete cause we know how shitty your schools are so will pull up a couple of you every year & leave the rest behind. The major problem with the public schools is how the funding comes from property taxes, its obvious in that equation poor neighborhoods will have worst schools! i do believe education is a right but i dont agree with welfare.
benympls 1 year ago
THANK YOU!
bigtriga1609 1 year ago
Try to understand what the argument is before deciding your rebuttal, next time.
PRO7E 1 year ago
So... ALL liberals don't understand how to use logic... is the deduction... Based on the SINGLE EXAMPLE of a technically well constructed argument against Glenn Beck's factless rail on people who's CAREER it is to instruct youth (all in the typical Beck-esque effort to turn people against an administration- feel afraid of it, distanced from it, IN EVERY WAY simply because it is democratic).
Awfully hypocritical considering your closing comments.
PRO7E 1 year ago
@PRO7E
"So... ALL liberals don't understand how to use logic... is the deduction..."
OR it was a parody of their original absurd video title. :eyeroll:
PapistWitness 1 year ago 8
@PapistWitness No, watch your video. You clearly claim that ALL liberals -liberals in general- don't know 'basic logic and argumentation and a broad education', or whatever slight variation of that you were trying to articulate.
Comment limit....
PRO7E 1 year ago
@PapistWitness Liberals know facts, therefore they don't have a general and more broad education (? HOW? Did you explain this? No! Of course not! Aside from it being and incorrect assessment of the university system and elementary schools everywhere), and therefore they aren't good with logic. <- is the train of... "logic" if I recall correctly.
So I'm just sayin', there's a huge, glaring, typical Republican hypocrisy coming out of this video, and you seem rational enough to admit it.
PRO7E 1 year ago
@PRO7E that's not at all what this video was saying. you've just made yourself another example of sacrificing logic to prove a point. he was saying that these facts may be true, but some of them are irrelevant and misleading. allowing the textbook facts to guide you is avoiding having to use logic to come to your own conclusions about the truth of each matter.
you're a perfect example of the type of person against whom this video warns.
sandielephant 1 year ago
@sandielephant Talk about going out of your way to defend something indefensible...
Did you really just say that "allowing TEXTBOOK FACTS (!!!!? FUCKING... FACTS!!!!) to guide you is avoiding having to use logic to come to your own conclusions about the truth of each matter". I can't even begin to explain to you how much is wrong with that!
Because liberals use facts to base their logic, they aren't coming to a logical truth about a matter? WHAT? WHAAAT!?
PRO7E 1 year ago
@sandielephant If you are using logic but not using facts, then you must literally make shit up to fit a logic- as many politicians, but liberals to a lesser degree, do so well. And whats the point of making shit up if you don't already have a logical conclusion you're trying to justify. Like defending an oil company or campaign funding organization.
You don't understand logical process and are in way over your head.
Evdnc: you think fact-less logic is more valid than a fact based counterpart...
PRO7E 1 year ago
@sandielephant Textbook fact is the closest thing humans can honestly come to being 'truth' (without the involvement of faith!).
If the facts lead to a conclusion, it is the proper one, end of story.
You don't get to logic your way into whatever you feel like without facts. That's how dumbass shit like genocides and other atrocities of humanity and rights are perpetuated.
Just so you don't embarrass yourself again: facts cant, by their definition, be misleading, ever. They're facts.
PRO7E 1 year ago
@sandielephant Only opinions based on fact can be misleading, which liberals obviously provide once they state a fact, to use the evidence of the fact to support an opinion. Whereas republicans (not consrvtvs) tend to just lie and pretend its a fact- deducing logic from a fallacy.
There is no such thing as truth, only your opinion of something. I think gravity happens, because of the overwhelming evidence. Liberals provide more evidence and less lies, and therefore, their logic is more valid.
PRO7E 1 year ago
@sandielephant and for the record its "You're a perfect example of the type of person against WHICH this video warns."
PRO7E 1 year ago
@PapistWitness I bet you made separate youtube accounts just to vote yourself up. BTW I didnt realy want to listen to the whole video because of the statement "All Liberals yada yada yada" that instantly turned me off and gave me a clear vision of what kind of mindset you have, a very neurotic, closed minded one. Typical Conservative mindset.
DaKevins 1 year ago
@DaKevins You know, you didn't to watch the video. All you had to do was to turn to a different page, close out the browser, or something else that involved you leaving.
Who's the neurotic one now?
nate12387 9 months ago
Well, I think you could also say that Cenk was saying that, they might have turned out okay, but since there was no public schooling, they're nothing special.
JIYkp 1 year ago
Yeah the young turks are quite awful. Cenk hates this country and will do whatever he can to destroy it. He seems to loath the ideals that have built the foundation for everything this country stands for. It's really quite ironic when he talks about how biased and out of touch Glenn Beck is... I feel sorry for the poor souls that give these ass clowns any credence.
TheDorkKnight1000 1 year ago
@TheDorkKnight1000 Wait what? Cenk actually knows and understands the principles the US was founded on and fights for them because modern US politics have gone so far away from the founding principles. The US was founded as a secular country; it is now the most politically Christian country in the world.
EvotalKraeto 1 year ago
@EvotalKraeto
Politically Christian? This is a lie.
Well, here's just a few FYIs.
Did you know the United Kingdom was technically a theocracy?
I'll bet you didn't know that German citizens to this day are required to pay tithes to the Lutheran Church, either through volunteerism or tax.
Lutheranism is the official religion of Norway, and there can be a religious test for holding political office.
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
Glenn Beck's point: home schooling > public system; example = Edison, Washington, Jefferson, etc., all greats who were home schooled.
Cenk's point: your examples are flawed. Public system didn't exist, who knows if Washington/Jefferson wouldn't have turned out even better.
I don't see any problems.
2484Stryker 1 year ago
@2484Stryker Your comment makes me think that you didn't actually watch the video since PapistWitness spent 8 minutes responding to the point you just made. This really isn't a response to the video. It's just saying what PapistWitness is trying to respond to.
nate12387 9 months ago
Have the Young Turks answer your Video yet and why not.
Frenchy7652 1 year ago
well said.
cankorgbr 1 year ago
I can only begin to imagine how different my life would be if I had been taught the length of George Washington's shoe laces.
With respect to my formal education I learned the most about the world when I studied religion.
kevinanity 1 year ago
Great video. I was a bit offended by the video. Cenk said he wasn't against home-schooling, but had said that conservatives want to take kids out of public education (i.e.: home school them) so they can be ignorant and susceptible to their propaganda.
And you're right: the point Glenn Beck was making is that Jefferson and Washington were brilliant men who were homeschooled.
BlameTheFirst 1 year ago
You make many good points. I would say that home schooling is a perfectly good option. Public schooling needs much attention if what I read is true: That 20% of Americans cannot identify their own country on a globe. I think that education should be the responsibility of the whole community. As for Beck, he invites ridicule.
Johnbizzen 1 year ago
Cenk Uygur is a gelatinous pile of stupidity and ignorance and any one with at least more brain cells than fingers can see that.
DrBakshandeh 1 year ago
@DrBakshandeh
Oh wow insults. How intellectual of you.
refuckulate420 1 year ago
You said progressives get bogged down in particulars, well thats what life & policy is... ITS DETAILS. The conservative mind set is easy because its simply "survival of the fittest" witch is a "fuck it" attitude, and is rather lazy intellectual. It gives a pass to the most powerful to do what ever they want.
benympls 1 year ago
@benympls
Particulars isolated from the big picture, which is often not very big.
PapistWitness 1 year ago
@PapistWitness Yes, but ignoring the details can often distort the big picture. The big picture here is that Beck's arguing for home schooling against public system, and he used Jefferson as an example, suggesting that they turned out so well because of being home schooled
Well, Cenk is saying that Jefferson is a BAD example, since home schooling was the ONLY OPTION. Maybe they could've turned out even better if they had gone through a public system, if it had existed.
2484Stryker 1 year ago
@2484Stryker If the goal of American education is to excel at standardized tests, then why aren't liberals aware of the fact that homeschoolers usually excel at it?
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus Really? Homeschoolers on average do better than students who went through the public school system? (note: I'm not being skeptical here, I'm sincerely intrigued). At the end of the day, my sole gripe with homeschooling is my suspicion that the majority of parents who choose this route don't really know what they're doing, and the thus the kids end up socially inept and academically handicapped.
2484Stryker 1 year ago
@benympls your bias against conservatives is based on the republican party since reagan how about you look at conservatives not those who pay lip service to it mm kay?
majikninja07 1 year ago
@majikninja07 I agree to a point, i like Ron Paul to an extent and i certainly like him more than lets Mitch McConnal(how ever you spell his name). But i just disagree with conservatives on certain key issues(but i also disagree with Pelosi Lib's). 1)Affirmative Action is BS but the schools MUST be funded evenly. Its society responsibility to provide an education but its the child responsibility to make something with that education. I have a few others but that is my major beef with the right
benympls 1 year ago
High schoolers ought to be mandated to take 2 years of analytical philosophy.
migkillertwo 1 year ago
@migkillertwo
When did you become such a statist? ;-)
PapistWitness 1 year ago
@migkillertwo yesterday.
migkillertwo 1 year ago
@migkillertwo Yes, but the problem after a few months of reading philosophies from famous philosophers such as Plato, Descartes, Kant, Nietzsche, Beauvoir, Marx, Gadamer, Wittgenstein, and Chomsky is an increasing number of people with political fundamental understanding, which in turn will oppose corporatism and monopolism to interfere with politics.
That would be a sad day for all the authoritarian autosadists (politically conservative) out there..
Ulrna 1 year ago
soooooo homeschoolers ftw? people often tell me that I am uneducated or not receiving a proper education due to the fact that I am homeschooled.
AbdielAbiram 1 year ago
@AbdielAbiram i think if i were to compare you with a philosopher with a PhD then, maybe the argument might stand...
TheEcumenator 1 year ago
That just shows that "proper education" is utterly worthless, given that you're one of the smartest people I've met.
migkillertwo 1 year ago
Cenk Uygur is probably a Jesus mythicist, hence why I pay little attention to The Young Turks, but it was nice to see you rebut them.
5 stars. ;)
jcrebel18 1 year ago
@jcrebel18 Actually, whenever I hear Cenk mention Jesus, in passing he remarks "If he existed..."
DonusAmbrose 1 year ago
@DonusAmbrose
Um yeah, which is my point as there really is no debate over whether Jesus existed in scholarship, as far as I know anyways.
In other words, he's implying without saying, one of the many ways the media gets their BS opinions across.
jcrebel18 1 year ago