E-8A Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (Joint STARS)

[2012GST]

Its a dot...lets blow it up . Sigh

[ALB437]

Thanks. I am surprised. I thought I would none of a problem for the radar section to capture them. In addition I was thinking of the heat produced by the different vehicles, which could also have been a way to get discovered. How would a Joint Surveillance system work in the European Alps with convoys crossing valleys surroundet by 8000-9000ft mountains?

[franknbeans4761]

@ALB437 In mountainous terrain like the Alps, then the Joint STARS would be slightly less effective. But, that is why the US is making so many UAV's. They would have higher survivability in the mountains by hiding in them. For good intelligence you need a force of satellites, E-8's, and UAV's.

[ALB437]

@franknbeans4761 - Thanks. I'm going to read my first book about the E-8s and I follow a bit the X-47B, Heron, Global Hawk, Predator Reaper, Shadow, MQ-1C Sky Warrior, Hermes 900, MQ-9 Reaper, Phantom Ray and the fast growing list. My feeling is that the key point is to have a perfect guidance system in order to avoid them to get shot down, as it happened a few days ago in Iran and seems regularly be the case. I would personnaly leave the "classic" guidance system.

[ALB437]

@franknbeans4761 - Concerning the satellites communications it seems to be so perfect that I do have my doubts about a 100% secrecy. I always thought that they might be decoded in some way by who knows who,maybe several others. I also got that impression going through P.Crickmore's F-117 Nighthawk shotdown over the Balkans. The route seemed to be more or less known, but maybe a complement of infos was involved?

[ALB437]

Does the target classification exclude any organized unreal movements of convoys?

[franknbeans4761]

@ALB437 As for trucks, it's hard to say. If they are moving in large formations, they will be found. Either way, it can differentiate between varying APC's, IFV's, tanks, artillery pieces, & anti-aircraft pieces. Nowadays, the US uses this in conjunction with satellites & large amounts of UAV's.

[ALB437]

@franknbeans4761 - Thanks. The movements of the convoys underlined by pictures of such a high quality is of course the perfection. I think I had not seen the part of the pictures. The only way for the enemy would be to find out a way to interfere any means of radar capture and picturing, possibly both at the same time and mounted on vehicles of the convoy?

[franknbeans4761]

@ALB437 Well, the E-8 uses radars, thermal imaging, night vision, & other optics to find targets. If they suspect a convoy, they use various means of spotting them. And now they also use smaller UAV's for this purpose & the fleet of E-8's has been "buffed up" by Global Hawks, Predators, Grey Eagles, & Reaper UAV's. A great intelligence gathering force.

[ALB437]

@franknbeans4761 - Thanks. If we now spoke, for example, about a small convoy of missile launchers (10-20vehicles), how would if affect the radars, thermal imaging, night vision & others optics if every vehicle had a mountable rooftop able to hide any movement, slightly larger than the vehicle itself and in addition with a changeable camouflage, according to the route followed? I leave out on purpose the UAV's with their lower flights just to have a surrounding idea.

[franknbeans4761]

@ALB437 Well, they might be able to mask small units like that, but only if there are many other units in the surrounding area so that it can "hide" there. But otherwise it would only temporarily hide it.

[ALB437]

@ALB437  - Rooftop: better known under Radar Shadow.

[Icarusdecending82]

lol!  Terrible acting guys. Stick to warfighting.

[weathermanfsu]

Dad was in this video!

[ad2181]

If they did not deploy during Gulf-1 the program would have been shut down. They missed the coldwar with massive cost overruns and today its obsolete systems.

[turbovectorz]

Agreed, this is technology is really old. I work on advance HD RADAR's with 1000+ fold in DSP performance for Visualization and Analytics.

[franknbeans4761]

@turbovectorz The technology in this video is quite old, but the E-8C model is still a great system. With the MS-177 camera installed, and the AN/APY-7 radar can operate in wide area surveillance, ground moving target indicator (GMTI), fixed target indicator (FTI) target classification, and synthetic aperture radar (SAR) modes.

The APY-7 can track over 600 targets at once up to ranges of 152 miles and can differentiate between various tracked and wheeled vehicles for appropriate targeting.

[TyphoonUSSR]

At 1.49 is clearly seen that sees the radar:) If in the woods appear tanks that can be recognized. But how to distinguish a civilian from a military vehicle when they travel on the same road? Simple corner reflectors can be a serious problem for jstars.

see Nakidka on 9.06 - Tank Protection Systems. T-90 (English sub) /watch?v=2h4uUfYnXUw

[franknbeans4761]

@TyphoonUSSR Nakidka is not in use in the Russian military. It should be but it is not in use.

[franknbeans4761]

@TyphoonUSSR Nakidka is not on all Russian vehicles & is not very effective for the most part. It has mostly been sitting in storage for years. And corner reflectors have minimal affects.

Tanks and vehicles may have limited protection in wooded areas or under forms of cover. But UAV's can easily find moving/stationary targets. When AFV's are moving from area to area (at a variety of distances) then this is where the J-STARS comes in. It simply detects targets so that Maskirovka is impossible.

[jleiben]

WOW! This is old. I've been working in JSTARS since 1994. Never seen a video this old on it.

[shudra14]

ok can u please describe the difference between jstars and awacs and difference in functions

[JonisKanonis]

Wiki: "An Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) system is an airborne radar system designed to detect aircraft."

[DragnStorm]

basic difference is AWACS looks @ what's in the air; JSTARS looks @ what's on the ground

[ThickDixie]

LB- what's up. Holy shit balls you left this comment 8 months ago..any who, It's Grant. We were at Bragg sometime between 96-99. You still in?