Its in the biography of f1, they had an agreement that whoever was 1st at the end of the 1st lap would stay there unchallenges by the other, was a personal agreement between the 2 drivers not a team order to not to race each other but when mclaren made the mistake of bringing the finn in coulthard let him get passed again, coulda done it less obviously but still gotta respect his honor at keeping his word. even if it did make the race a bit fixed.
@skaloon - Well it's not the Ferrari team orders themselves it's the way they went about using them. Like in the Austrian Grand Prix when they waited until the last lap and the last corner for Schumacher to take 1st place from Barrichello. If it was before then then the fans would feel less like it is a fix and more of a race. But yeah team orders are probably good but when they are used in an intelligent way.
@maidenslayer To be fair Ferrari didn't make Rubens pull over on the final corner that was when he decided to. I think it was when he went on Top Gear he said that he wasn't going to let MS past, but decided to as he came out of the final corner.
FOR THOSE THAT COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SCENE..YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT RACE..SO SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS...DO SOME RESEARCH AND THEN COME AND COOMENT AGAIN FUCKING RETARDS..THAT DAY MCLARENS LAPPED EVEN THE 3RD CAR..HAKKINEN PITTED AND WAS SOME PROBLEM WITH PIT CREW..HE LEADED COULTHARD FOR 40 LAPS..AFTER THE PIT STOP COULTHARD LET HAKKINEN TAKE THE LEAD AGAIN CAUSE MIKKA BEAT HIM FAIR N SQUARE DURING THE WHOLE RACE.! SO SHUT UP..REMEMBER HUNGARY..IDIOTS
@DVillaS7 That was not actually the case, Coulthard made it up, because Ron Dennis told him to. Coulthard actually got ordered to let Hakkinen through because Mika only came in because he thought he'd heard the team radio, which Dennis thought was a side effect of his 1995 crash.
I really don't understand why the FIA reintroduced team orders, it means the race result can be changed unfairly like it was here, in Austria 2002 & Germany 2010. God, I hate it when teams do team orders, it can rob us of a good race.
this isn't a team order...some lap before overtaking mika stopped at box without team order due to his hears problem so no one was attended him at box...during this strange pit he was overtaked by coulthard. after coulthard allows mika the overtake for restoring initial situation
oooh this would be a big drama if ferrari did this instead of mclaren, mclaren also did many teamorders and thats ok thats f1 every team which is driving for the championship did it and will do it, ferrari did it 2010 and it was such an big scandal, hamilton and kovalainen did this 1000 times even if it wasnt for victory like in france 2008 and nobody ever comlpained about it, but if ferrari does it everybody is crying thats stupid
the bargain is b.s. thats pure team orderers.schumie did it in austria in the beggining of the season and was condemned by the whole world esp.by you Brits
This is not team orders as such, or certainly not favoritism anyway. It was agreed before the race between Ron Dennis, Hakkinen and Coultard, that whoever got through the 1st corner in lead at the start of the race, would stay in the lead. Hakkinen got through first, but then made a mistake, David just upheld his side of the bargin!
If it had nothing to do with strategy, the team would have been happy with a 1-2, regardless of the finishing order. It wasn't Coulthard's fault the team made a mistake, he should have taken the win.
@nixxxon18 check the date dumbo: in 1998 team orders were allowed so if Mclaren wanted to order Coulthard to let Hakkinen past like they did here, that was allowed by the rules. Now to Hockenheim 2010: The rules state that team orders were explicitely not allowed and Ferrari still ordered Massa to move over for Alonso. Learn a bit about F1 before making dumb comments like that.
He did it because Häkkinen gone for the pit when team wasnt ready so he drived through which wasted a lot of time and thats why Coulthard let Häkkinen pass him.
This was when David should have left McLaren. After a good 1997 season, McLaren never treated him well again.They screwed him over in Jerez 97 to give Hakkinen his first victory. Having to do it for the second race in a row is just bad manners.
Well, I think that David could`ve driven to victory - im even a Finn! But on the other hand, they had the contract about the first corner and Mika was invited to pit because an accident and he dominanced the reace before he came in.
I believe that this selfless decision by David COulthard was the start of Mika Hakkinen's dominance and screwed up DC's chances of ever winning an F1 title.
He did it at Australia in 1998 and look what happened thereafter. If it were me, fuck that, I wouldn't give a race win to any man - not even a fucking team mate!
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Coulthard is SHITE and the reason his career lasted so long is because he was a dutiful number two, just like Barrichello. Why McLaren need two world champions right now is beyond me, and Ferrari have two winners also. I think teams were smarter in the 90's, when you had a winner like Hakkinen, and then a FUCKING LOSER like shite David crappy Coulthard with his stupid jaw, willing to take a dive for his paycheck. I'm surprised that Massa did what he did, because i believe he's a winner.
@WatanukiF1 Uhh i think u need to re look the meaning of team orders? This was an agreement between Mika and David which should have never been done, but is still not team orders. So no this is not an example of team orders. Read the description as well if you want?? :/
@M1N1K0B3 You should watch BBC's pre race stuff with Coulthard, Eddie and Jake because Coulthard spoke openly about being told to move over for Mika by the team
@TheReppy He could have said that, but it could have been another race and not this... Unless you openly have evidence for me that he did mention this exact race and lap..
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This is said hundreds of times:
It was McLaren which made an error calling Mika in the box where was no need.
Mika just RETOOK HIS place, he was first from the first corner of the race. This incident has nothing to do with the shameless spectacle which is granted to us by Ferrari, time after time..
@darwinism14 - that's not exactly true, in terms of Ferrari or even Maclaren's famous - Save fuel :) This is a sport for millions of dollars, so the team orders ARE in fact inevitable. The biggest issues is : pilots cannot effectively race with each other - the tracks are limited by design, the cars are producing so much air flow by the double diffusers, that it's impossible to really battle and take advantage of your speed. Hence the team orders, it's clearly that Massa is not a title winner
@kvarbanov No but if Ferrari hadn't enabled team orders to grant Alonso victory in Germany it would be clear whether he was still a race winner or not.
Funny how one doesn't hear the McLyin' fans complaining about this sort of thing when a non-Ferrari team does it. (as Williams also did it in France, 1992...)
@flipsidedogchop In david's book he states he had a very long conversation as to why he did not want to let hakkinen go past because Hakkinen made the mistake pitting when he should not of.
No matter what the diffrence is between the Ferrari 2002 and this video is team orders was still used. The only people who have problems with team orders are Fan boys or people who do not understand F1.
@flipsidedogchop What momentum? Hakkinen always had the speed over coulthard. even if Coulthard would of won the race Hakkinen would still of had somthing over Coulthard its its call natural talent.
@flipsidedogchop Look your going away from the first topic as to why i posted a comment to you. No matter how team orders are done it still leaves a sour taste in the drivers mouth. No driver in F1 likes moving over and even david coulthard disliked doing it. Dont forget Jerez 97 when they also asked him to move over. David never wanted to do it its because he knows who pays his wage.
So you said he did things voluntarily im sorry your wrong!
@flipsidedogchop I understood what u said,im just telling that what Ferrari did didnt make any difference because Michael would win anyway,im not say anything against what u said im just add information about it dont need to be so mad cauz of this bullshit
@leone7227 They switched posititions because the team fucked up Hakkinen's pit stop, which made Coulthard overtake him. So it was quite a fair play, dude.
@leone7227 this wasn't a team order. this was coulthard acting out on a pre-race agreement where him and mika both agreed that however would be in 1st place after the 1st corner on lap 1 would maintain their positions. coutlhard chose to do this. even maclaren had no idea about the agreement. coutlhard was only leading after mika came into the pitline due to a radio miscommunication. good sportsmanship i guess even if the pre-race agreement was a bit silly.
@leone7227 I complained about it, it's not on really, (that's why I prefer motogp) I know it's also a team sport, but I think no driver should be allowed to do it, until that driver can mathematically no longer be involved with the title race.
But also, it wasn't against the rules back then I think. Just frowned apon :D
Wasn't it the Schumacher/barricello incident at Ferrari that started it off?
@leone7227 LOL, McLyin. Seems like you conveniently forgot about the 2010 German Grand Prix and Ferrari's obvious team orders in the form of a crappy coded message. They still denied issuing team order despite it being so obvious. That didn't even get past the commentators.
It doesn't matter how a team order is given, the only thing that matters is if some sort of order is given, and if a race outcome is manipulated in a certain way.
@leone7227 Cuz Ferrari show blatant favoritism year after year. Other teams show it sometimes but at least they try to give their drivers good cars on a regular basis. If you're a number 2 driver at Ferrari, you will always be number 2 driver. I wish Massa would stop fooling himself.
@SonGoku87 well i thought he would have been referring to the massa/alonso incident which would have been quite near to when he made his comment as that did break rules.
but still >I< think that it is ok ... i mean you drive for a TEAM its a TEAMSPORT so you got to do whats best for the team ... but i know im very alone with this opinion xD
It was MIKA that made the mistake to come into the pits not the pit wall guys. Coulthard was TOLD to let him pass. Read Coulthards autobiography where he explains the full story.
This was good for the sport. Allowing strategic team-play for winning championships made the races much more exciting. It's not cheating, it's working as a team for the championship.
Whats everyone fretting for? This just shows the understanding and FRIENDLY rivalry that McLaren always have had. That's why McLaren will always be the best F1 team. (Hakkinen is the best!!!)
@gersfan109 Hakkinen was leading at the first corner and for the whole time until he was called in to the pits on lap 36 but waved through because it was a misunderstanding, giving Coulthard the lead. Hakkinen would have led the whole time. Coulthard let him by because it wasn't Hakkinen's fault that he lost the lead.
Hakkinen was AHEAD of Coulthard, but was called Erroniously in the pits, and he just made a kind of drive-through penalty, because of a McLaren error.
Upon returning, the team then ordered Coulthard, to let pass Hakkinen and to mantain the second position, WHERE HE WAS BEFORE THAT STUPID MISSUNDERSTANDING.
So it's no politics or the same farce as Ferrari did it in Austria 2002. It was just a McLaren error.
team orders didn't start in 1998 neither later...they've been a part of f1 since the begining of it.we may not like them,especially when they're so obvious,but they'll continue to exist...
@eloria1965 And without a team, the formula one driver wouldn't even have a car. People can say whatever they want but Formula one is a team sport and therefore it is normal that team orders exist!!
@dafdyka If F1 is a team sport, why bother having a Drivers Championship at all? Team orders contradicts the nature of drivers competing for their own Championship. In fact, it discourages competition because you are disadvantaging one driver to aid another. That's not "winning", that's just cheating.
Ferrari started the game in 1998. At least in Austria Irvine suddenly suffered "brake problems" when Schumi had driven off the track and needed to get to third place.
Coulthard was a real gentleman who followed the fellow team mate agreements. He didn't want to win the way he would have because Mika had problems during the pitstop. A Completely different situation than Jean Todt's orders "let Michael pass for the championship". Now that was pathetic...
Mika was leading the race and going to victory when he misheard a radio call from the team and went to the pits, only to find that there was no one ready, because Mika had enough fuel to finish the race and no more pitstops were planned. Mika drove through the pitlane and David got the lead. I think it was fair that David gave the lead back to Mika. It was Mika's mistake, which was influenced by the fact that one of his ears is almost deaf from the injuries he sustained in 1995 Adelaide crash.
for everyone debating why this happened - david and mika agreed whoever got to the first corner first won (yes, those who say not, you are wrong, i clearly remember david explaining this after the race) - mika messed up pitstop timing and david let him back through
Well. Schumacher and Ferrari started this dirty allowing game, so this was the only way MClaren could answer to them. Cheers for David. Allways liked u as driver and man that say things like they r. Good thing u made this look so obvious, even doh Häkkinen is my hero. So sry for Couldhard and Rubens/Irvine who were the ones that had to sacrifice their statistics for things like these.
So this was his second win in a row, since he won the last race in the 97 season, and here is handed over the win in the first race of the 98 season!?
That would have boosted his confidence though he knew why he won I believe a win and all the hype still does something to you!...and then he suddenly also had the championship lead to defend a fight for!!!
f1 is still a great sport but you just don't want to see it... you'd prefer to just focus only on the negative aspects of it and moan about "the good old days" which weren't much better... what about raikkonen's own decision to move over for massa in china last year... f1 drivers now are still team players...
i bet in 10 years time you'll be dwelling on this era about how it was the "good old days" and will be hating the new era...
This was not team orders Mika and David had made a pre-race agreement that between the two of them, the driver who led at the first corner would go on to win the race, should he be in the position to do so.
Read his biography. He was asked 3 laps prior to move over. He declined. 2 laps prior he received another request, he declined again. 1 lap prior, Dave Ryan hopped on the radio and requested he move over and said "If you do not obey, you are risking your position within this team". Read into it what you will, those are the facts.
Well I can't see David or Mika asking it. It would of been Ron who instigated the idea. He regarded Mika as his protoge afer his crash in 1995, and maybe he wanted mika to win to keep his confidence up - remember Mika had done 100+ grand prix's prior to this win.
L'ha fatto la ferrari in austria nel 2002 e si è scatenata una guerra,l'ha fatto invece la mclaren in australia e nessuno ne ha parlato.. chissa perchè????
david was not instructed by the team solely to let mika pass. the team told david what happened and it was his call if he were to let mika pass - in the end, the true sportsman as he is, let mika take the win.
mika made an unscheduled pit drive through due to some "misunderstanding" between him and the team (on what that means, i.e. intercepted radio transmission or incorrect team radio/ pit wall conversation - that is not revealed)
driver on the first corner first and provided that the race will go on "normal" circumstances (meaning the mclaren will dominate) will win the race > correct
:)) It was before Austria!McLaren always started with bad strategies!Having Senna and Prost in the same team,making this stupid non-sense team order,the crash in Austria back in 99,the spy controversy they were involved in 2007 and the controversy around LH passing maneuver on Timo Glock in Brazil to gain the Word Title,a world title who was deserved undoubtedly by Felipe Massa(it makes sense if you look at 2008 statistics!Have a nice day:)
Its not like Austria at all. It was blatant team orders in Austria, whereas here it was an agreement between the drivers that whoever led going into the first corner of the first lap would win the race. This just shows you how much respect David and Mika had for each other...
Someone said this was like team orders in AUSTRIA 2002 when Ferrari told Rubens to let Schumacher pass for the win. And I replied saying no this isnt like team orders back in AUSTRIA, this incident we're watching(in AUSTRALIA) was an agreement with the drivers. Learn to read...
God, Fin000 is right.. It ain't no TEAM ORDER.. McLaren is not Ferrari.. We all know even before the start of the season that Mika was faster, but it was the first race for gods sake.. It's a bet between David and Mika..
Und da will noch einer über Ferrari herziehen, nur weil Rubens Looserchello zweimal unsren Schumi vorbei ziehen lassen musste. McLaren kann das auch ganz wunderbar.
Team Order gehören einfach zur F1, zB. um hier mal eine Dummheit des Boxenfunk-Mannes auszugleichen ODER um zB. einen wahren Champion nach vorne zu bringen XDDD
Ob es im ersten, oder erst im letzten Rennen passiert ist eigentlich egal. Entscheident ist immer die Tatsache - also das Mika einmal umsonst durch die Boxengasse fahren musste, weil der Mann am Funk nicht aufgepasst hat. Man wollte hier Chancen ausgleichen, aber das ist für mich das Gleiche, wie eine klar definierte Nr. 1, innerhalb eines Teams (unter gg. Umständen) in eine bessere Position zu bringen.
Du siehst also, eine Stallorder ist vielseitig einsetztbar.
Ich war mir nicht sicher ob Mika zu Beginn der Saison 1998 schon den Nummer 1 Status im Team hatte, aber wenn man es auf diese Weise betrachtet hast du Recht.
As a fan watching the race that was one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. Honestly, you watch drivers putting in 100% effort all race and then one of them decides to hand the second place man the win 100m from the finish line.
David and Mika said before the race started that the one who is first through first corner in first lap will be allowed to win the race. And Hakkinen was first through the corner. That's it.
that was bull shit i hate team orders. the only team orders i accept are ones like china '08 and brazil '07, which wasnt really that obvious. but austria and and that indy shit. lame.
@nicolopez9507 But even in that era people probably said they missed the previous era, with the likes of senna, prost, a young schumi, piquet, mansell, berger.
@nicolopez9507 Yeaah! I was around 6 yrs old when they raced. I watched F1 but didn't know balls about it. Kinda met them in 2005 playing the 2000 and 2001 seasons at Playstation1. But I still remember those white, yellow, light blue, green cars from BAR, Jordan, Benetton, Jaguar, etc. I wish I was a little bit older, to understand F1 in 2000 as I started understanding in 2006.
Not too long ago Ron Dennis said something about someone outside of the team telling Mika to pit. Apparently, they all used to be able to intercept radio transmissions from other teams, and somebody decided to use it to make Mika pit. I don't know, but since they code their transmissions now, maybe they did or why code them at all?
@Panagiotis8766 i can't...i can't stand idiots that talk as genius!!
Rickiuz39 4 months ago
@Panagiotis8766 you re right! but nobody thinks the same
Rickiuz39 4 months ago
Its in the biography of f1, they had an agreement that whoever was 1st at the end of the 1st lap would stay there unchallenges by the other, was a personal agreement between the 2 drivers not a team order to not to race each other but when mclaren made the mistake of bringing the finn in coulthard let him get passed again, coulda done it less obviously but still gotta respect his honor at keeping his word. even if it did make the race a bit fixed.
Nbsimons18 4 months ago
i still don't see any problem with team orders. that's why it's called TEAM. never understood the fuss over Ferrari team orders.
skaloon 5 months ago 2
@skaloon - Well it's not the Ferrari team orders themselves it's the way they went about using them. Like in the Austrian Grand Prix when they waited until the last lap and the last corner for Schumacher to take 1st place from Barrichello. If it was before then then the fans would feel less like it is a fix and more of a race. But yeah team orders are probably good but when they are used in an intelligent way.
maidenslayer 3 months ago
@maidenslayer
they might have had a debate there. or barrichello himself decided to let MS pass just in the final lap. who knows?
skaloon 3 months ago
@maidenslayer To be fair Ferrari didn't make Rubens pull over on the final corner that was when he decided to. I think it was when he went on Top Gear he said that he wasn't going to let MS past, but decided to as he came out of the final corner.
xLiMiiiTzx 2 months ago
@xLiMiiiTzx that's something he is paid to say ;)
dj00lazz 2 months ago
@xLiMiiiTzx thats worse what ferrari did
TheCharlieHoltonShow 1 month ago 2
I remeber this but everyone says ferrari are the bad guys
QOTSAPT 6 months ago
What the drivers failed to consider is the poor fans that bet on Coulthard to win the race. You needed a decent bookie to get paid on that one.
101wildgoose 6 months ago 2
Mc claren is one of the greatest F1 teams ever but had cheated more and more than ferrari!!!
Rickiuz39 6 months ago
FOR THOSE THAT COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SCENE..YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT RACE..SO SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS...DO SOME RESEARCH AND THEN COME AND COOMENT AGAIN FUCKING RETARDS..THAT DAY MCLARENS LAPPED EVEN THE 3RD CAR..HAKKINEN PITTED AND WAS SOME PROBLEM WITH PIT CREW..HE LEADED COULTHARD FOR 40 LAPS..AFTER THE PIT STOP COULTHARD LET HAKKINEN TAKE THE LEAD AGAIN CAUSE MIKKA BEAT HIM FAIR N SQUARE DURING THE WHOLE RACE.! SO SHUT UP..REMEMBER HUNGARY..IDIOTS
1985PANOSFILAS 7 months ago
@1985PANOSFILAS Finally someone who actually speaks some sense, I saw that race too, they absolutely dominated
MitchellTiwon 6 months ago
that was not a team order. they had an agreement ... who is first in the first corner wins the race
DVillaS7 7 months ago 2
@DVillaS7 That was not actually the case, Coulthard made it up, because Ron Dennis told him to. Coulthard actually got ordered to let Hakkinen through because Mika only came in because he thought he'd heard the team radio, which Dennis thought was a side effect of his 1995 crash.
Kulverint 6 months ago
@DVillaS7 Finally somebody who know history. You're so right.
Rev1981 5 months ago
So Mclarens are cheat as well!
P1MSC 7 months ago
I really don't understand why the FIA reintroduced team orders, it means the race result can be changed unfairly like it was here, in Austria 2002 & Germany 2010. God, I hate it when teams do team orders, it can rob us of a good race.
jnagamer 7 months ago
@jnagamer
sometimes it is unfair but here and in austria they didnt rob no one of any race they done the move in the last 50 meters at the end of the race,
codeypablo 7 months ago
this isn't a team order...some lap before overtaking mika stopped at box without team order due to his hears problem so no one was attended him at box...during this strange pit he was overtaked by coulthard. after coulthard allows mika the overtake for restoring initial situation
p.s. sorry for english i'm from tuscany
k660ibatigol 7 months ago
oooh this would be a big drama if ferrari did this instead of mclaren, mclaren also did many teamorders and thats ok thats f1 every team which is driving for the championship did it and will do it, ferrari did it 2010 and it was such an big scandal, hamilton and kovalainen did this 1000 times even if it wasnt for victory like in france 2008 and nobody ever comlpained about it, but if ferrari does it everybody is crying thats stupid
8kuh 7 months ago
in those times, people were realistic and FIA didnt fuck with everyone.
teammates just probably accepted the fact that one of them was better.
and coulthard was crap xD
so they gave mika the chance to win a championship, after that horrible crash that he had..
rastamees 8 months ago
the bargain is b.s. thats pure team orderers.schumie did it in austria in the beggining of the season and was condemned by the whole world esp.by you Brits
zeqo1969 8 months ago
I don't understand why would they put team orders into play when this was only the first race of the season.
blerand91 8 months ago
This is not team orders as such, or certainly not favoritism anyway. It was agreed before the race between Ron Dennis, Hakkinen and Coultard, that whoever got through the 1st corner in lead at the start of the race, would stay in the lead. Hakkinen got through first, but then made a mistake, David just upheld his side of the bargin!
Phoenix1664 8 months ago
And it was tthe first race of the seaoson
Schleimer87 8 months ago
hakkinen is faster than you , ...
ikke3wie3anders3 9 months ago
If it had nothing to do with strategy, the team would have been happy with a 1-2, regardless of the finishing order. It wasn't Coulthard's fault the team made a mistake, he should have taken the win.
Dario927 9 months ago
This move was made only because McLaren asked Mika to come to the pits by mistake and he lost the lead. That´s why David let him pass...
This had nothing to do with stategy...
AnthonyRooth 9 months ago
this is very typical of the english:
Cheating is wrong, as long as the cheater isnt english!
nixxxon18 9 months ago
so, where are the hypocrite mclaren fans crying about the ferrari team-orders now? and this is not the only one from mclaren!!
nixxxon18 9 months ago
@nixxxon18 check the date dumbo: in 1998 team orders were allowed so if Mclaren wanted to order Coulthard to let Hakkinen past like they did here, that was allowed by the rules. Now to Hockenheim 2010: The rules state that team orders were explicitely not allowed and Ferrari still ordered Massa to move over for Alonso. Learn a bit about F1 before making dumb comments like that.
Cadmuss 8 months ago
David, Mikka is faster than you lol
Dario927 9 months ago
SO WHAT?
Mansinthable 9 months ago
He did it because Häkkinen gone for the pit when team wasnt ready so he drived through which wasted a lot of time and thats why Coulthard let Häkkinen pass him.
It wasnt a team order it was a gentlemen move.
theParturiMan 10 months ago
This was when David should have left McLaren. After a good 1997 season, McLaren never treated him well again.They screwed him over in Jerez 97 to give Hakkinen his first victory. Having to do it for the second race in a row is just bad manners.
SeanMaccaUK 11 months ago
@SeanMaccaUK Yeah, he won twice in 97 after all, and Jerez should have been his third win that season.
darthbandon10 10 months ago
isnt australian gp the first race??
so why should DC let Häkkinen pass so eary into the season?
Gammastrahler 1 year ago
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spectre1209 1 year ago
disgusting!
MacHoodio 1 year ago
I guess Hakkinen is a cheater.
TorgeistLLN 1 year ago
Not bad for a number 2 driver :D
P1MSC 1 year ago
Well, I think that David could`ve driven to victory - im even a Finn! But on the other hand, they had the contract about the first corner and Mika was invited to pit because an accident and he dominanced the reace before he came in.
JUBEast 1 year ago
I have a video of Coultard saying himself that they had planned to do this themselves, just to end speculation fo everybody, Why? I dont know
MegaMrDamo 1 year ago
nicolopez9507 i agree
JamieBhoyy9 1 year ago
I believe that this selfless decision by David COulthard was the start of Mika Hakkinen's dominance and screwed up DC's chances of ever winning an F1 title.
He did it at Australia in 1998 and look what happened thereafter. If it were me, fuck that, I wouldn't give a race win to any man - not even a fucking team mate!
badboy10ize 1 year ago
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Coulthard is SHITE and the reason his career lasted so long is because he was a dutiful number two, just like Barrichello. Why McLaren need two world champions right now is beyond me, and Ferrari have two winners also. I think teams were smarter in the 90's, when you had a winner like Hakkinen, and then a FUCKING LOSER like shite David crappy Coulthard with his stupid jaw, willing to take a dive for his paycheck. I'm surprised that Massa did what he did, because i believe he's a winner.
fookfocketyfookfook 1 year ago
Ferrari ruined Team Orders. Team Orders Ruined F1.
BTW F1 is entertaining with all this controversy! =D
M1N1K0B3 1 year ago
@M1N1K0B3 and McLaren ruined team orders also... this is just a example
WatanukiF1 1 year ago
@WatanukiF1 Uhh i think u need to re look the meaning of team orders? This was an agreement between Mika and David which should have never been done, but is still not team orders. So no this is not an example of team orders. Read the description as well if you want?? :/
M1N1K0B3 1 year ago
@M1N1K0B3 You should watch BBC's pre race stuff with Coulthard, Eddie and Jake because Coulthard spoke openly about being told to move over for Mika by the team
TheReppy 1 year ago
@TheReppy He could have said that, but it could have been another race and not this... Unless you openly have evidence for me that he did mention this exact race and lap..
M1N1K0B3 1 year ago
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This is said hundreds of times:
It was McLaren which made an error calling Mika in the box where was no need.
Mika just RETOOK HIS place, he was first from the first corner of the race. This incident has nothing to do with the shameless spectacle which is granted to us by Ferrari, time after time..
darwinism14 1 year ago
@darwinism14 - that's not exactly true, in terms of Ferrari or even Maclaren's famous - Save fuel :) This is a sport for millions of dollars, so the team orders ARE in fact inevitable. The biggest issues is : pilots cannot effectively race with each other - the tracks are limited by design, the cars are producing so much air flow by the double diffusers, that it's impossible to really battle and take advantage of your speed. Hence the team orders, it's clearly that Massa is not a title winner
kvarbanov 1 year ago 5
@kvarbanov No but if Ferrari hadn't enabled team orders to grant Alonso victory in Germany it would be clear whether he was still a race winner or not.
Cuddleydoo 5 months ago
@darwinism14 ok when the Mcstronsi do it then?
FGalaxie 1 year ago
Funny how one doesn't hear the McLyin' fans complaining about this sort of thing when a non-Ferrari team does it. (as Williams also did it in France, 1992...)
leone7227 1 year ago 48
@leone7227
because there is no such thing as let shumi pass for the championship, or Alonso is faster then you can. They do it without "team Orders".
zhen86 1 year ago
@leone7227 because that was coulthards decision
barrichello was forced to do it on the last corner by that little french faggot!
thats the difference
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop the result is the same and Schumi would won anyway withoy that points
CazouS 1 year ago
@CazouS I didnt say anything about schumi winning the title or not... so let me spell it out for you...
THE DIFFERENCE IS that ferrari basically held a gun to RB head whereas DC voluntarily let MH win that race...do u fucking understand me?
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop In david's book he states he had a very long conversation as to why he did not want to let hakkinen go past because Hakkinen made the mistake pitting when he should not of.
No matter what the diffrence is between the Ferrari 2002 and this video is team orders was still used. The only people who have problems with team orders are Fan boys or people who do not understand F1.
ayrtonsenna1960 1 year ago
@ayrtonsenna1960 david couthard WOULD say that now wouldnt he?
cos he wants to blame someone else for him handing the momentum to mika!
fucking think about it!
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop What momentum? Hakkinen always had the speed over coulthard. even if Coulthard would of won the race Hakkinen would still of had somthing over Coulthard its its call natural talent.
ayrtonsenna1960 1 year ago
@ayrtonsenna1960 momentum meaning championship lead!
either way coulthard beat him fair n squair in 97 & 01... you call that standout natural talent, being beaten by DC??
your level of dilusion almost matches north koreas!
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop Look your going away from the first topic as to why i posted a comment to you. No matter how team orders are done it still leaves a sour taste in the drivers mouth. No driver in F1 likes moving over and even david coulthard disliked doing it. Dont forget Jerez 97 when they also asked him to move over. David never wanted to do it its because he knows who pays his wage.
So you said he did things voluntarily im sorry your wrong!
ayrtonsenna1960 1 year ago
@ayrtonsenna1960 false!
flipsidedogchop 1 year ago
@flipsidedogchop I understood what u said,im just telling that what Ferrari did didnt make any difference because Michael would win anyway,im not say anything against what u said im just add information about it dont need to be so mad cauz of this bullshit
CazouS 1 year ago
@leone7227 They switched posititions because the team fucked up Hakkinen's pit stop, which made Coulthard overtake him. So it was quite a fair play, dude.
amjan 1 year ago 2
@leone7227 this wasn't a team order. this was coulthard acting out on a pre-race agreement where him and mika both agreed that however would be in 1st place after the 1st corner on lap 1 would maintain their positions. coutlhard chose to do this. even maclaren had no idea about the agreement. coutlhard was only leading after mika came into the pitline due to a radio miscommunication. good sportsmanship i guess even if the pre-race agreement was a bit silly.
cloughers 1 year ago
@cloughers
Read Coulthard's biography. Mclaren knew about the agreement and they urged Coulthard to let Hakkinen back through.
BoneHomer 1 year ago
@BoneHomer untrue, DC said about the agreement in the press-conferance after the race
cloughers 1 year ago
@leone7227 - Because the drivers themselves planned this, not the team.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Seriously. Ron Dennis wasn't saying things like, Mika is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?
shinhawk 10 months ago
@leone7227 I complained about it, it's not on really, (that's why I prefer motogp) I know it's also a team sport, but I think no driver should be allowed to do it, until that driver can mathematically no longer be involved with the title race.
But also, it wasn't against the rules back then I think. Just frowned apon :D
Wasn't it the Schumacher/barricello incident at Ferrari that started it off?
grandmasterj5 11 months ago
@leone7227 Because Ferrari are known to be the cheaters and moaners of the sport. That's why.
MrMorg19 10 months ago
@leone7227 LOL, McLyin. Seems like you conveniently forgot about the 2010 German Grand Prix and Ferrari's obvious team orders in the form of a crappy coded message. They still denied issuing team order despite it being so obvious. That didn't even get past the commentators.
shinhawk 10 months ago
@shinhawk
It doesn't matter how a team order is given, the only thing that matters is if some sort of order is given, and if a race outcome is manipulated in a certain way.
ImFasterThanTheStig 9 months ago
@leone7227 Cuz Ferrari show blatant favoritism year after year. Other teams show it sometimes but at least they try to give their drivers good cars on a regular basis. If you're a number 2 driver at Ferrari, you will always be number 2 driver. I wish Massa would stop fooling himself.
xcruzrr6 9 months ago
@leone7227 well the difference is no rules are broken here...
Drenwickification 7 months ago
@Drenwickification
yeah, well as ferrari did it with michael and rubens, no rules were broken , too;)
but that was sooo bad that the rules got changed ... well FIA no one understand them
SonGoku87 7 months ago
@SonGoku87 well i thought he would have been referring to the massa/alonso incident which would have been quite near to when he made his comment as that did break rules.
Drenwickification 7 months ago
@Drenwickification
ahh ok sry... my mistake then
yeah thats .. well, diffrent
but still >I< think that it is ok ... i mean you drive for a TEAM its a TEAMSPORT so you got to do whats best for the team ... but i know im very alone with this opinion xD
SonGoku87 7 months ago
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@leone7227 fuck off you stupid cunt
Insanaty 3 months ago
@leone7227 because it was against the rules when ferrari did it with alonso the other year maybe...
l0dgey 3 months ago
The only reason Coulthard never won a world championship was due to team orders.
superchan1903 1 year ago 5
It was MIKA that made the mistake to come into the pits not the pit wall guys. Coulthard was TOLD to let him pass. Read Coulthards autobiography where he explains the full story.
sirsaltire 1 year ago 4
This was good for the sport. Allowing strategic team-play for winning championships made the races much more exciting. It's not cheating, it's working as a team for the championship.
Spartan117FS 1 year ago
@Spartan117FS what???????????? okay let me pass you my faster dear teamate i dont deserve the win but this is business so...
QOTSAPT 1 year ago
yeah nobody says anything about this monouver but the one with schumi, that is cheating, isn't it?
mamelguevo 1 year ago
team fucking orders ay ridiculous mclaren have always favoured one driver hence lewis hamilton mika hakkinen as witnessed here
hinson92 1 year ago
thats Ferrari techniqe xD
rubenick 1 year ago
@rubenick this was before ferrari started to use team orders
QOTSAPT 1 year ago 2
Whats everyone fretting for? This just shows the understanding and FRIENDLY rivalry that McLaren always have had. That's why McLaren will always be the best F1 team. (Hakkinen is the best!!!)
Texamon 1 year ago
That is one thing i am ashamed of.
Trekker84 1 year ago
@gersfan109 Hakkinen was leading at the first corner and for the whole time until he was called in to the pits on lap 36 but waved through because it was a misunderstanding, giving Coulthard the lead. Hakkinen would have led the whole time. Coulthard let him by because it wasn't Hakkinen's fault that he lost the lead.
slungbungdungclung 1 year ago
Once and for all -
Hakkinen was AHEAD of Coulthard, but was called Erroniously in the pits, and he just made a kind of drive-through penalty, because of a McLaren error.
Upon returning, the team then ordered Coulthard, to let pass Hakkinen and to mantain the second position, WHERE HE WAS BEFORE THAT STUPID MISSUNDERSTANDING.
So it's no politics or the same farce as Ferrari did it in Austria 2002. It was just a McLaren error.
darwinism14 1 year ago 2
@darwinism14
Mistakes are part of the game. It's the same as Ferrari.
DarthSparhawk 1 year ago
Tthis isnt racing..This is politics..thats why only few people still watch this "sport"
Brainiac83 1 year ago
@Brainiac83 Few people? You gotta be kidding me.
ExoticlyExtreme 1 year ago
it's not a real team order, it's Coulthard who decided to let pass him because his teammate has lost a lot of time in pits
ThePureracing 1 year ago
exactly!
lemmik76 1 year ago
team orders didn't start in 1998 neither later...they've been a part of f1 since the begining of it.we may not like them,especially when they're so obvious,but they'll continue to exist...
eloria1965 1 year ago 16
@eloria1965 And without a team, the formula one driver wouldn't even have a car. People can say whatever they want but Formula one is a team sport and therefore it is normal that team orders exist!!
dafdyka 8 months ago
@dafdyka If F1 is a team sport, why bother having a Drivers Championship at all? Team orders contradicts the nature of drivers competing for their own Championship. In fact, it discourages competition because you are disadvantaging one driver to aid another. That's not "winning", that's just cheating.
stevewadsdrummer 8 months ago
They started with team orders in 1998 before Ferari did it in 2001 at Austria.
lebaneseonly 2 years ago 6
Ferrari started the game in 1998. At least in Austria Irvine suddenly suffered "brake problems" when Schumi had driven off the track and needed to get to third place.
H4nnub4l 1 year ago
@shoeme69 I hope Button doesn't get his ass handed to him by Hamilton, but I do fear that might happen.
jbutton113 2 years ago
McLaren have always favoured one driver. It ruined Montoya's career, didn't do Coulthard any favours and I doubt it's gonna help Button either.
jbutton113 2 years ago 3
Coulthard was a real gentleman who followed the fellow team mate agreements. He didn't want to win the way he would have because Mika had problems during the pitstop. A Completely different situation than Jean Todt's orders "let Michael pass for the championship". Now that was pathetic...
MacGovernor 2 years ago
just because David said it was a "drivers agreement" doesn't make it true.
same thing with monaco 2006 qualifying. do you take michael's word for it that the parking move was an "accident" ?
it's the team that gives orders.
varps44 2 years ago
Mika was leading the race and going to victory when he misheard a radio call from the team and went to the pits, only to find that there was no one ready, because Mika had enough fuel to finish the race and no more pitstops were planned. Mika drove through the pitlane and David got the lead. I think it was fair that David gave the lead back to Mika. It was Mika's mistake, which was influenced by the fact that one of his ears is almost deaf from the injuries he sustained in 1995 Adelaide crash.
H4nnub4l 2 years ago
I'm guessing that after this incident they took a little closer look at the commincation system that Mika used.
H4nnub4l 2 years ago
F1 should have stayed in the 80's over and over again lol, none of this crap would have happened
freshman927 2 years ago 2
gersfan - no idea. it was their agreement! i guess they were so dominant they didnt fancy racing each other too hard
calcalcal1 2 years ago
for everyone debating why this happened - david and mika agreed whoever got to the first corner first won (yes, those who say not, you are wrong, i clearly remember david explaining this after the race) - mika messed up pitstop timing and david let him back through
calcalcal1 2 years ago 6
Well. Schumacher and Ferrari started this dirty allowing game, so this was the only way MClaren could answer to them. Cheers for David. Allways liked u as driver and man that say things like they r. Good thing u made this look so obvious, even doh Häkkinen is my hero. So sry for Couldhard and Rubens/Irvine who were the ones that had to sacrifice their statistics for things like these.
rautavaari 2 years ago
this was 1998 pre 2003 in my book
billabongodrum 2 years ago
this was 1998. the thing in austria was 2003. so who started "the game"?
pocketdynamo87 2 years ago 3
u mean 2001
TBRSVids 2 years ago
Ah!
So this was his second win in a row, since he won the last race in the 97 season, and here is handed over the win in the first race of the 98 season!?
That would have boosted his confidence though he knew why he won I believe a win and all the hype still does something to you!...and then he suddenly also had the championship lead to defend a fight for!!!
Michaelingolfhansen 2 years ago
If I were in Coulthards position, I would not have done that
Colddeed 2 years ago
DC is a true honest team player!!!
Something is missing from F1 nowdays
vodafonemclarenf1fan 2 years ago
Piquet crash?!
postmanpat261 2 years ago
oh stop being a bitch...
f1 is still a great sport but you just don't want to see it... you'd prefer to just focus only on the negative aspects of it and moan about "the good old days" which weren't much better... what about raikkonen's own decision to move over for massa in china last year... f1 drivers now are still team players...
i bet in 10 years time you'll be dwelling on this era about how it was the "good old days" and will be hating the new era...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 2 years ago 4
What im trying to say is that i miss DC. Remember this was done by the drivers, not by the team.
vodafonemclarenf1fan 2 years ago
This was not team orders Mika and David had made a pre-race agreement that between the two of them, the driver who led at the first corner would go on to win the race, should he be in the position to do so.
MrSaturdayNight1988 2 years ago
It was not team-order, it was DC`s own decide..
JUBEast 2 years ago 2
Read his biography. He was asked 3 laps prior to move over. He declined. 2 laps prior he received another request, he declined again. 1 lap prior, Dave Ryan hopped on the radio and requested he move over and said "If you do not obey, you are risking your position within this team". Read into it what you will, those are the facts.
dombou70 2 years ago
Well thats put it in another perspective!
So the thing about a gentleman agreement about who got the first corner, is rubbish?!
And who stated that version...David, Mika, McLaren?!
Michaelingolfhansen 2 years ago
Well I can't see David or Mika asking it. It would of been Ron who instigated the idea. He regarded Mika as his protoge afer his crash in 1995, and maybe he wanted mika to win to keep his confidence up - remember Mika had done 100+ grand prix's prior to this win.
dombou70 2 years ago
L'ha fatto la ferrari in austria nel 2002 e si è scatenata una guerra,l'ha fatto invece la mclaren in australia e nessuno ne ha parlato.. chissa perchè????
ale9357 2 years ago 3
david was not instructed by the team solely to let mika pass. the team told david what happened and it was his call if he were to let mika pass - in the end, the true sportsman as he is, let mika take the win.
and that's that. : )
megasyxx 2 years ago
mika made an unscheduled pit drive through due to some "misunderstanding" between him and the team (on what that means, i.e. intercepted radio transmission or incorrect team radio/ pit wall conversation - that is not revealed)
megasyxx 2 years ago
set this thing straight.......
driver on the first corner first and provided that the race will go on "normal" circumstances (meaning the mclaren will dominate) will win the race > correct
megasyxx 2 years ago
agreement between the drivers my a55.
which RACING driver would voulantarly give up a race win
varps44 2 years ago
reminds me of Austria
TTFAFF 2 years ago 6
:)) It was before Austria!McLaren always started with bad strategies!Having Senna and Prost in the same team,making this stupid non-sense team order,the crash in Austria back in 99,the spy controversy they were involved in 2007 and the controversy around LH passing maneuver on Timo Glock in Brazil to gain the Word Title,a world title who was deserved undoubtedly by Felipe Massa(it makes sense if you look at 2008 statistics!Have a nice day:)
coldplaywave 2 years ago
Thanks for the GP history lesson.
TTFAFF 2 years ago
Its not like Austria at all. It was blatant team orders in Austria, whereas here it was an agreement between the drivers that whoever led going into the first corner of the first lap would win the race. This just shows you how much respect David and Mika had for each other...
Rivelution 2 years ago
its AUSTRALIA not AUSTRIA.
damez7 2 years ago 2
Someone said this was like team orders in AUSTRIA 2002 when Ferrari told Rubens to let Schumacher pass for the win. And I replied saying no this isnt like team orders back in AUSTRIA, this incident we're watching(in AUSTRALIA) was an agreement with the drivers. Learn to read...
Rivelution 2 years ago
shut up lol, its australia idiot
BrandzF1 2 years ago
God, Fin000 is right.. It ain't no TEAM ORDER.. McLaren is not Ferrari.. We all know even before the start of the season that Mika was faster, but it was the first race for gods sake.. It's a bet between David and Mika..
eisenkanzler 2 years ago
Old F1 was classic but this was stupid, even if DC won that race Mika would still have had the car to win the World Championship
scrawneystick 2 years ago
Und da will noch einer über Ferrari herziehen, nur weil Rubens Looserchello zweimal unsren Schumi vorbei ziehen lassen musste. McLaren kann das auch ganz wunderbar.
Team Order gehören einfach zur F1, zB. um hier mal eine Dummheit des Boxenfunk-Mannes auszugleichen ODER um zB. einen wahren Champion nach vorne zu bringen XDDD
astra606 2 years ago
Das Sinnlose an der Sache ist, warum macht man eine Team Order im ersten Rennen des Jahres? Das macht doch keinen Sinn.
schumifriend1 2 years ago
Es ist nicht sinnlos -.-
Ob es im ersten, oder erst im letzten Rennen passiert ist eigentlich egal. Entscheident ist immer die Tatsache - also das Mika einmal umsonst durch die Boxengasse fahren musste, weil der Mann am Funk nicht aufgepasst hat. Man wollte hier Chancen ausgleichen, aber das ist für mich das Gleiche, wie eine klar definierte Nr. 1, innerhalb eines Teams (unter gg. Umständen) in eine bessere Position zu bringen.
Du siehst also, eine Stallorder ist vielseitig einsetztbar.
astra606 2 years ago
Ich war mir nicht sicher ob Mika zu Beginn der Saison 1998 schon den Nummer 1 Status im Team hatte, aber wenn man es auf diese Weise betrachtet hast du Recht.
schumifriend1 2 years ago
As a fan watching the race that was one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. Honestly, you watch drivers putting in 100% effort all race and then one of them decides to hand the second place man the win 100m from the finish line.
dansak1234 2 years ago
Guys, this was no team order.
David and Mika said before the race started that the one who is first through first corner in first lap will be allowed to win the race. And Hakkinen was first through the corner. That's it.
fin000 2 years ago 3
@fin000 you really believe that and Ron Dennis? come on.
The filthiest fuy in sport.
Mclaren stand for nothing, no honour,
They dont make their own engones, some English honour, having to suck to the Germans and Arabs for money and motors. lol.
FGalaxie 1 year ago 4
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McLaren = CHEATERS:-)
OriginalSpiderpig 2 years ago
Mika is a great driver, but to be an unforgeable driver he should have slowed to let Coulthard keep the win.
rodrrico 2 years ago 2
that was bull shit i hate team orders. the only team orders i accept are ones like china '08 and brazil '07, which wasnt really that obvious. but austria and and that indy shit. lame.
hash626 2 years ago
*sigh*. F1 is still good though.
svend1000 2 years ago
I miss old F1 Hakkinen. Coulthard. Irvine. Villeneuve. Panis. Frentzen.Trulli. Fisichella. Button . the two schumis. Montoya. verstappen. heidfeld
nicolopez9507 2 years ago 85
me too
also Damon Hill
priMMoz 2 years ago
YES, DAMON
nicolopez9507 2 years ago
Yeah, that was interesing time
Jagdmesser 2 years ago
@nicolopez9507 But even in that era people probably said they missed the previous era, with the likes of senna, prost, a young schumi, piquet, mansell, berger.
david181993 1 year ago
@david181993 Guess that's true... And in that era they were talking about how they missed Rosberg, Scheckter, Lauda, Peterson...and so on.
To make the story short: "It was always better a few years back...Yes back then we had real competition..." And we'll keep hearing that.
hoogestefan 1 year ago
@nicolopez9507 Yeaah! I was around 6 yrs old when they raced. I watched F1 but didn't know balls about it. Kinda met them in 2005 playing the 2000 and 2001 seasons at Playstation1. But I still remember those white, yellow, light blue, green cars from BAR, Jordan, Benetton, Jaguar, etc. I wish I was a little bit older, to understand F1 in 2000 as I started understanding in 2006.
kynigh 1 year ago
@nicolopez9507 Yeah those were he glory years. Such good times.
shumey7 1 year ago
@nicolopez9507
1994-2004 worst f1 decade ..a bunch of B class drivers, CART heroes, test drivers and gay cheaters
xpandia 1 year ago
@nicolopez9507 Exclude Michael After Today Please
Jamiet958 1 year ago
@nicolopez9507 I miss the TRUE old F1: Senna, Prost, Piquet, Mansell...
nickie2011 1 year ago
@nicolopez9507
You are getting old ;-)
actually, I miss much more Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Niki Lauda, Gerhard Berger, Emerson Fittipaldi...
aramiszh 1 year ago 2
@nicolopez9507 nice try. you who i do miss instead?
senna, prost, mansell, piquet, patrese, alboreto, schumacher (the real one), villeneuve, berger, alesi but most of all... KATAYAMA!!!
quandore 1 year ago
@quandore there's no unreal schumi ya bastard
Splankyyy 1 year ago
It's a shame. I'd miss DC a lot.The F1 has lost its lustre.
Mika has been favoured over David too often. DC had champion quality.
I've lost my respect for Ron Dennis and McLaren. Even more after the troubles with Alonso/Hamilton. I'd understand Fernando's anger.
MrsSlumdog 2 years ago
and y is austria 2002 more famous than this
thechickenmaster299 2 years ago 4
Not too long ago Ron Dennis said something about someone outside of the team telling Mika to pit. Apparently, they all used to be able to intercept radio transmissions from other teams, and somebody decided to use it to make Mika pit. I don't know, but since they code their transmissions now, maybe they did or why code them at all?
UltimateWheelman 2 years ago
they wouldve needed to tell him to pit 10 times in a row in order to reverse the mclaren advantage that day
MrRodzilla 2 years ago 2