Im an ASE certified mechanic and have a engineering degree. Im not saying if this works or not until I try it. I am currently working on a kit and going to install it to give it a shot. It did make Hydrogen gas and did burn when I put a lighter to it. Its not a waste of time to me cause it was fund building and cheap. If it works or not I could care less cause I can afford the gas prices. I wish the big mouths on here would shut up and stop quoting science that does does not apply to this device
@yournamehere954 can you tell us more please , i am an automative tech student and working my ASE's ,, did u build the kit and if u did how it worked , i had enough of this youtube crab which i cant figure out whats true and what not
@yazied00100 Well, like I stated. I have not installed it in my truck as yet. But it does produce gas that is explosive. When I put a lighter to the bubbles they react and pop. I will install it in my truck when I have a chance one day just for the sake of science. . Whether it works or not I dont care, its a fun built. Just give it a shot. Dont dont listen to the negative comments. Nothings a waste of time as long as your learning along the way. Beats watching TV.
well. There always could be the key to this thing - separating hydrogen from water could be less resource consuming than blowing it up. These are two different types of energy.
If you take a stick of dynamyte then comparing the energy to make gunpowder AND comparing the energy that releases then it blows up - you can't just compare things like that.
I think this is a good metaphore for expaining what the more savvy scientists are trying to explain here:
Picture yourself on a bungee cord. Pull that bungee cord really tight, then launch yourself into the air. No matter how high you go, you will never drop lower than your original launching point. That is because you can never get more energy out of something than what has been applied to it.
@nateloder Superchargers uses energy from the motor and create MORE energy. The trick is the energy is converted as well to a more useful energy. Your bungee cord comment is simple science and does not apply. You are wrong.
Can't say that it works or not. My simple unit has produced 62 MPG in my '01 Suburu outback (2.5 L) highway and 40 MPG city driving. Yes, do have to replish yhe water - what a bummer.. Guess it dosn't work at all.
Newton's law has since been superseded by Einstein's theory of general relativity, but it continues to be used as an excellent approximation of the effects of gravity. Relativity is required only when there is a need for extreme precision, or when dealing with gravitation for extremely massive and dense objects.
Newton's law of gravitation resembles Coulomb's law of electrical forces, which is used to calculate the magnitude of electrical force between two charged bodies. Both are inverse-square laws, in which force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the bodies.
Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
wants to change this they would focus their thoughts on the goal (having more money) rather than the problem (needing more money). This might take the form of phrases such as "I have as much money as I need" or "I have a job that pays very well".
The Law of Attraction is a metaphysical New Thought belief that "like attracts like", that positive and negative thinking bring about positive and negative physical results, respectively.[1][2][3][4] According to the Law of Attraction, the phrase "I need more money" allows the subject to continue to "need more money". If the subject
one final comment to everyone if you think its a good idea to try. try building one for yourself i will give this ago for certain. money and time permitting. who knows a kid at a science fair. might astonish the world one day with a better version as technology is constently evolving. also it might turn out to be another volcano experiment you could do with your kids ? lol dont let them do it themselfs though
@proaudiohd continued and yes even there getting more effiecient and so are solar panels so to dictate to someone that itll never work is just that a dictatorship science is suppose to be fun for people to learn about not talked to like its religion you can change an idea its trickier to change a belief thats my 2cents worth anyway
@proaudiohd you are kinda right. in the fact that it would probably be better to use the solar panels to power a electric motor. but dont forget the subject at hand the whole discussion is suppose to be about converting your existing car to run on hydrogen. not having to pay for a so called new electric car. which will undoubtably cost more then existing new petrol/diesel vehicles. and will lead to more vehicles on the road which will mean more traffic.
now if you guys want to see a scam ive got the perfect video for you lot to argue about is the geet vapor carburetor please comment on your views once youve seen the video
wtf man i thought the video was going to be about why you cant run your car on hydrogen instead its telling us why you can confusing i mean iknow you can make hydrogen but the main question is it viable will it work with your car personally people say it will put a strain on the engine but as it takes only 5 amps to power the unit of a dry cell who knows and one way round that problem is to use a solar panel with lithium battery
ah finally it loads what a waste of timeas iwas saying before the battery powers the alternator which powers the startermotor to turn the crank/pistonsnow the alternator powers the sparkplug/glowplug fairly simple really now do you really think after all that energy went into starting the engine its lost no''''' it is not the engine then powers the alternator which charges the battery so you can start the car backup when you turn the ignitionoffwishcouldrephrasemylastcommetbutcantwordlimit
f##ck me take for ever to load or what what ever man probably just same idiot putting water in his tank or something the description is misleading and its not a scamyou can produce hydrogen from water the plans can be downloaded for free at some websites oh and yes it does take energy from the battery to start with but providing youve got fuel in the tank already the energy goes back into the battery how the hell do people think your car gets started the battery powers the alternator/generator
really wish idiots would stop the run on water crap.. ITS RUNNING ON HYDROGEN SPLIT FROM WATER jeez
Ya I bet you cant run it on water because it isn't explosive... However, when you perfform ELECTROLYSIS on it you split it into its natural elements hydrogen (the most combustable fuel on the planet, and the most effecient) and Oxygen, an ACCELERENT to combusion.. DONT LISTEN TO THIS MISINFORMATION
BMW HYDROGEN 7 RUNS ON HYDROGEN. lookup electrolysis and BMW's hydrogen COMBUSTION engine.
aw 3 to 10 years... LOL guess what BMW beat them, BMW hydrogen 7 runs on 100% hydrogen slitt from water.
By the way not all alternators are 55% effecient.. look up permanent magnet alternater.. dont be surprised they removerd the electromagnet and replaced it with permanent magnets.. no longer need electricity to magnetize the stator. which = all energy out none in.. try 85 to 90% effecient nowadays :-)
also engine effeciency it rated by what fuel the run, 30% is on gasoline lol
@Me102288 You are so caught up with this hydrogen thing. You will never see a commercially viable car in your lifetime. You might be able to buy one if you have a million dollars lol. But as of today, the fuel cell technology is not durable enough; there is no way to store it safely, so you'll never have more than a 100-miles range; and there is no refueling infrastructure in place. H2 car is just there to make you think they want to get us off gasoline, but they don't. It's too profitable.
@seacoastauto uh, nor do I expect to, been experimennting with it for almost 30 years boy.. I'll simply run my own Hydroxy generater,
Why did you think its possible for the oil business to lose the $30 some billion a year in gasoline?
of course not.. they would buy us off, make the technology disappear, and tell everybody it doesnt work and to pay for they gasoline.. lol see it in history for the last 100 years..
I seriously hope you know electrolysis is a 100 year old technology..
@Me102288 Oddly enough I did know that electrolysis is a 100 year old technology, but did you know that 200 to 300 hundred years before that it was proven that energy can not be created or destroyed....
The hydroxy generator to increase gas millage is one of the many relatives of the perpetual motion machine.
@seacoastauto so you trust what a guy said 2 to 300 years ago? lol sorry but that guy couldn't see the future, so it isn't a law at all.. He had no idea what we would learn in 200 years, and if he expected no one to learn anything, I believe its just a single persons interpretation.
Or do you honestly think we don't learn anything and we are confined to what someone said 300 years ago?
@Me102288 Well, it's clear from your response that not only do you know little about physics, but you also don't know anything about science in general, and have probably never sat in an upper level science class. Physical laws like the fact that energy can not be created or destroyed has withstood 400 years of scrutiny, and is still prevailing.
@seacoastauto I agree to that, yet you might want to look a the type of energy, you use gasoline EXPLOSIONS to move a car or truck... HYDROGEN IS MORE EXPLOSIVE THEN GASOLINE, so you refine 1 gallon of gasoline takes 6000 watts... 1 gallon of hydrogen takes 160 to 180 per gallon.. whats your point.
Do you honestly think your creating energy when refinng gasoline from oil? Well its the samn damn thing "refining, or splitting" less energy required to get hho.
@Me102288 I've seen some of your other posts; you have no problems accepting facts from outside sources when it suits your argument, yet you disallow one of the most basic laws of physics. If you are not interested in the finding out the truth, if you are not open to the truth, if you are not interested in finding out what you don't know...why are you on here?
@seacoastauto lol you could blow sunshine up ppls ass all day buddy theres no way to proof it doesnt work, and more and more ppl arer using them, Its not a matterr of laws people have written, its the truth were finding out now. theres proof a combustion engine runs on hydrogen with no gasoline involved, that means its one step from storing it in a tank and generating it on demand.. So think what you want, my goal is never using a fossil fuel ever again.. instead of paying to polute our planet
@Me102288 Like I said in my previous post, you disallow scientific knowledge when it's convenient for you. "it's not about the laws people write…" how would you ever hope to learn anything with that view point. I know what i say about HHO cells is true because I have a technical background and I researched it hoping it would be viable. But it's not; in fact it's decreasing your gas millage. All the FACTS point to this. If you'd open your eyes you'd see it.
@Me102288 Quite the contrary, for every scientist trying to prove something, there is another scientist trying to disprove it, which is why it is remarkable when a theory withstands 400 years of scrutiny. But what we (people who aren't putting HHO generators in their cars) know about energy is not a theory; it's proven fact. And they govern every meaningful discussion on the topic of efficiency. Without these laws, there simply is no discussion.
@Me102288 When I learned this stuff in school, we did experiments that proved what we were being told; we didn't just take it at face value. If you really care about getting off of gas, which it sounds like you do, study these basic laws and you'll see adding an electrolyzer to a car to save gas is complete nonsense, and that you end up using even more gas in your car, and end up sending even more monies to big oil. It's true; the earth is not flat. It's already been proven…
@Me102288 I, like you, was initially drawn to the idea for the same reasons you are. I wanted to get off fossil fuels, and I still do. No one disputes that cars can run on Hydrogen, but that's not the issue. The problem is using gas to power and engine, to run the alternator, to run an electrolyzer, to produces H2, to then feed it back into the engine. It's like going from FL to NY via california. Every time you convert energy some of it is lost. This is why it doesn't work.
@Me102288 spot on mate to your previous comment Do you honestly think your creating energy when refinng gasoline from oil? Well its the samn damn thing "refining, or splitting" less energy required to get hho. just ignore seacoastauto he did send me a video though of a scam that went on in america where a guy was selling these hho systems when the public could have just made it themselves for less then 200 bucks and i did try to show him a video of a wood gassifier but still got no response
@greyandme2 never said I was...I know the effeciency of gasoline.. its not good...but is also why cars pump out gallons of nasty crap while burning it.
Lots scams everywhere,..doesny mean the base technology doesnt work :-\ He's just another sheep :-)
@Me102288 at least theres someone on here who has an understanding of what me and you and some people are trying to say instead of being a stubbon mule:-) yeah there are a lot of scams out there in the real world and cyber but if human beings cant pass their own judement on these sorts of things and think for themselves then it just becomes a bit of an oxymoron so to speak
@seacoastauto personally i dont care if you respond to me in a timely manner or not mate you and I and everyone in the world has got there own thing going on in life and to be quite honest with you even if i could live to 200 years old you would never truly understand what ive been trying to say any way good luck with the future
@greyandme2 Honestly speaking, the reason why I haven't responded is because three quarters of everything you write is typos and incoherent mishmash; I don't know what you're talking about half the time. You, just like your friend Me102288, can't give a rational rebuttal to any of my statements about the technology or the physical laws it violates, but i'm the "sheep". I'm the "believer". No, I'm actually the guy who did the research, then decided what to believe...
@seacoastauto fair enough but at least that means 25% of what ive been trying to say has been getting through and like isaid before i have word limit on the comments box so i have to most of the time anyway use text speak annoying i know unless of course you want me to write like like an engish gentleman ahh pishhpoosh mishmash and all that
@seacoastauto mate havent heard from you in that long i was beginning to think you were dead but nice to have you back any way with regards you last statement can't give a rational rebuttal to any of my statements about the technology or the physical laws it violates, but i'm the "sheep". I'm the "believer". No, I'm actually the guy who did the research, then decided what to believe... tell me this then you goe on about laws and phisic and if your that smart p.t.o
explain string theory in better detail then anyway im not saying it does or dosent work what i was trying to say was the base technology does work otherwise you wouldnt of been able to do the experiment but all you keep on going on about is is my typing skills and being as we as people will never know how far along you were in your personal research in the first place and going right back to my first question was what does work and does not work the base technology does work you run a current
@seacoast through electrodes in an electrolyzer solution now then you can produce hydrogen that way but just like i guess what your saying is and im questioning is how can we make it work in a vehicle with out putting a strain on the engine one idea i seen was solar power now then if you hook up a solar panel to a deep cycle lithium battery the solar energy should power the hho system and any surplus energy from the panel will charge the battery whilst the engine takes over and powers the hho
For all you doubters, look at website for Innovative Hydrogen Solutions. They manufacture, sell, and install an assist system for diesel semi trucks. This is the real deal.
@RedRiver2011 same with a lot a the trucking companys, theyre outfitting hho generaters to improve mileage to..
Lol why did we use gasoline in the first place? Oh right, they couldnt make nearly as much on water then they do gasoline..
Just got a gallon of water for free from my well.. Think a gallon of gas here is around $4, it'll hit $8 in anoter 25 years.. (following history, it was like 35 cents a gallon 50 years ago) :-\
@Me102288 Thanks for the heads up! Even just complementing a gas or diesel engine with water/methanol injection is an improvement. Kerosene was important for lighting and since it was available, people found other uses. Gas prices may double much sooner than 25 yrs unless there is a safer energy mix. Best of luck.
Even if your car's engine is 100% efficient, you would only lose your fuel energy for nothing with this system. Remember the Newton's rule; the sum of energy and mass is constant. You cannot create energy from nothing.
@zaferydo Internal combustion engine on gasoline effeciency = 35%
On just hydrogen = 55 to 65%
On Hydroxy = closer to 85%
Its not the engine, its the effeciency of the fuel you feed it.. whicj is basically anything explosive enough to push a piston down a cylinder :-\
Remember that alternater in your car? Its putting out more electricity then it needs to power just the cars electronics.. that waste can be used to splitt water.
@zaferydo LOL newton didnt know what we would learn in 200 years, or do you think a humans perception of "it cant happen because he said so" is right and can never change from what we learn.. If so, we would be on a flat planet without aircraft because someone said it was imposible.
Personally I'm not a sheep, I find out for myself.
well i think yall are getting hung up on the science..if i get better gas mile from using hydrogen then i save gas whether the alternator pulls more on the engine or what ever i still. get better gas mileage..it also is of no consequence if i use solar panel to chrge battery ...still higher mileage..i comute 100 miles a day and in my v6 truck i gained 3 mpg in my honda civic 4mpg i save 2.4 gallons aweek and right now with gas @$4 a gallon thats$10 a wekk $40 a month almost $500yr &$30 in parts
@CyBrtekComputers the problem is that this system defies the laws if physics. It is not a conspiracy by oil companies- it's just basic thermodynamics. You are putting another load on the engine by running the HHO generator, and you don't get that energy back; in fact you loose a large percentage of it through the inefficiency of the HHO device, i.e. the heating of the HHO device. It is a misconception that and HHO generator is somehow recovering lost energy. It is not.
@seacoastauto no it doesnt.. the major problem with people believing OTHER People,, Those laws were written BY A HUMAN... Humans make mistakes.. you trust the guy/girl to be absolutely right when the didnt know what was going to happen the next day.... LOL you believe in the false god of he says she says?
LoL BMW Hydrogen 7 proves without laws, LOOK AT IT RUNNING ON HYDROGEN..
Now tell me Hydroxy on demand isnt one stel away. Its not recovering anything who told you that?
@CyBrtekComputers the problem is that this system defies the laws if physics. It is not a conspiracy by oil companies- it's just basic thermodynamics. You are putting another load on the engine by running the HHO generator, and you don't get that energy back; in fact you loose a large percentage of it through the inefficiency of the HHO device, i.e. the heating of the HHO device. It is a misconception that an HHO generator is somehow recovering lost energy. It is not.
@seacoastauto no it doesnt at all, less the 50% of gasoline doesnt burn, so if you could make refined gas to run the engine, the engines alreadty puttingout electricity for ALL the electronics PLUS slightly over that... I really dont think you understand its already generating MORE power then it needs.. wheres thatt power go? It doesnt, its used for accesory's we put on, and if its not enough, replace it with one that puts out more. simple
@Me102288 I think it's funny that you say "I don't understand…" and then say that a car produces MORE power than it needs. That is NOT true. It produces EXACTLY what it needs. Most cars' electrical systems operate around 13.5 to 14.5 V depending on the model. The Voltage Regulator in the alternator keeps the voltage in the system constant by adjusting the current flow as the power needs of the car change, depending on the electrical load.
@Me102288 Most small cars' alternators can produce around a 60 amps, which gives it a potential to produce 840W of power (14V x 60 amps), but if you don't have anything turned on it doesn't produce it's max 840 watts. I'll puts out what ever current needs to maintain the voltage and power needs of the system.
Don't take my word for it, Google: Voltage Regulator in an alternator.
@Me102288 This brings me back to my original point: the electromotive forces resisting the rotation of the rotor increases because of the increase in current flow. This is seen by the engine as another load, albeit a relatively small one, it still decrease mpg. You can argue that you are putting that energy back into the engine in the form of HHO. But an electrolyzer producing the gas is only 50%-80% efficient, so you have a net energy loss. It doesn't work!!!
@seacoastauto - Thank you! Finally someone who has read a book. Not only is the electrolyzer 50%-80% efficient, but the alternator is around 80%, and the combustion engine only 30%. For every one horsepower you draw at the alternator for HH0 generation, burning it returns only about 0.13 horsepower to the crank. Even if these were all 100% efficient, (they never can be) you would be taking away one horsepower just to return one horsepower. That leaves no power to move the car.
@proaudiohd It really is amazing what you read on these HHO threads. And it's even more amazing how hard it can be to explain why it doesn't work in spite of the fact that you have every physical law regarding energy on your side. I've got to say it's clever though. You could be fooled if you think energy is being recovered. I spoke with my Thermodynamics prof about it and he had to think about it. My Circuits prof., who wrote a book permanent magnet motors, said it was bullshit instantly.
@seacoastauto yeah it is really amazing how hard it is to try to explain why it cannot work. but it is just the same trying to explain why it could work if some one came up with an idea to make it work. instead of just being blinded by science. im just trying to think outside the box. the first hho generator was the hoffman apparetus. a very ineffiecent one at that. the best person to ask i guess is stephen hawkings but good luck trying to contact him.
@CyBrtekComputers I know, I dug around on Nasa's pages, wondering why they call it a fuel. Apparently because it is, it can replace gas, or help it burn more effeciently. I never really believed science said it was imposible.. mostly because scientists are still studying water, and why it has more energy then anything they've previously studied.
I glad you save, I'm building generators to save money on electricity, turn out a tiny engine running hho can still turn a pretty large alernater
@seacoastauto I have, and you should know anything says its running on water = itys running on hydron and oxygen split from water. :-\ wonder if he was thinking about the VW Beetle rsi
motersickel you don't lose as it is not the power of the motor that runs a HHO system as it runs off battery power not engine power. Think you need to go and reread those books. The only time your eqaution comes into it is trying to get more power from a small amount of power a totally different system to what is here. The hardest bit is getting the right flow to run your car flat out as the gas can only be produced at a certain rate but there are ways around it.
YES YOU CAN, I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING YOU CANT. Nobody says turbo and super chargers don't boost your car but it is the same idea, running something off an engine to improve it. Look around, there are a bunch of people proving it works.
big oil & gas use hydrolosis + rf & at times emp to fracture gas & oil wells since 50 years ago the patents are online, lookup john w ely & rustum roy & suppressed technologies US military have a drone can fly 5 mnths on hho non stop. & then theres john meyer & thousands of ozzies & individuals across the planet whove been using hho to run their vehicles.
@DancingSpiderman well its true isnt it the title has nothing to do with the video epic fail and if i did leave a comment on here somewhere saying finally someone who makes nonsense as it wouldnt surprise me my f##cking keyboard keeps sticking when i press certain letters lol :) which might explain part of the reason why some people dont understand what im typing
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well im using pure water with no gas for 15 yrs. already and theres no problem at all. sometimes consider the natural law rather than the caculator law or man-made law.
Lol runing a car on water does work but not for long.... it will destroy your engine because the hydrogen reaction with the metal making it weaker.... so dont try to put hydrogen into your air intake you might have a bad surprise someday!
Erm y not use hydrogen well if you use water you can essentially have a car that has infinite fuel all you do is split or break the water down into hydrogen and water and then you burn the oxeygen with the hydrogen and you can do that again n again and again
Screw all this jib-jab. If *product producers* are 'con's' hustling people out of their sorely needed gas money now days- then you, we, all of us, have an obligation to broadcast and expose these crooked bast_rds!
We are very close to finding the key to unlock the power of hydrogen energy. But, serious work is still needed.
Sales of Phony products are the best allies that 'Big Petroleum' has to destroy public confidence and de-rail the needed research.
I read a while ago that Japan was working on a technology which extracted Hydrogen from sea water using large cells which were also agitated by the tide and waves.
Sunlight is used to run the reaction.
such a system, if made to work well, could supply Hydrogen much more directly and cheaply than having to use other, finite energy sources for electrolysis.
Yes i'm already there, I am almost convinced with what I saw...the inventions. When is this going to be be implemented? for all... not only for one!!! Its been there for years, nothing's happening. Is it really working?
you'll never get back more energy than you put in. Alternators are 55% efficient, electrolysis is 80% efficient, and combustion engine is around 30% efficient. Loss, loss, loss. For every horsepower you take away from the engine to make hydrogen, that burning hydrogen gives the crankshaft back around .132 horsepower. So what's the point? To scam people into buying plans, thats what.
Hydrogen is cryogenic, leaky, explosive, and generally a pain in the ass. Ask nasa! I say skip hydrogen altogether. We all already have grid electricity. No new network needed. Just dump that straight into a battery in the car which turns a brushless electric motor. If you have a solar panel + windmill, then presto. You are powering your own transportation and no foreign entity can raise the price on you.
so tell me how im running my 76 ford on a cell and that i drive to work everyday. people like you need to go to school and open your mind and stop being so neg!
@proaudiohd dummy its not like it takes a thousand amps to run a dang hho generator lol a car audio system takes a lot of amperage to run but i have never felt it bog my car down lol this does work i have a generator sittin right in front of me that took me 30 mins to build, and used common house hold products and powered it using a 8.4v 3300mah rc car battery and produced a fair amount of gas, not enought to run a car obviously but enough to burn, make a small heater just for sh#@s n giggles
@motersickel - Dude, it takes more power to run electrolysis than you can extract from the resulting hydrogen. I don't care if it draws 20 amps, or 20,000 amps, the hydrogen you make will supply the engine with less power than it took away. Go read a book.
@GrandpaTD - Yes, that would work! But in that scenario you are adding the energy to the car from an outside source. What will NOT work, is using the car's engine to make hydrogen on-board to fuel itself. That will cause the car to loser power, not gain power. That's the scam that's going on here. And besides the point, its more efficient to use electricity to charge an electric car, than it is to make hydrogen and run a combustion engine. One is 90% efficient, the other less than 20%.
@GrandpaTD good idea im sure theres someone on here who might disagree with you on that though saying something like thats more dangerous or you need to make hydride to put in the tanks to heat it up so the gas can be released into the engine
@proaudiohd permanent magnet alternaters arent 55% standard electromagnet alternators are.
All the energy used to magnetize the stator to get it to produce electricity in the first place, pretty lame require'ing electricity to produce electricity :-\
Anyway, permanent magnets are much more effecient.. just my 2 cents :-)
@Me102288 - When you burn the H H O, you only get back the same amount of energy that was put into electrolysis.. So even if you had magical, zero friction, 100% efficient systems that do not exist, there would still be no energy left over to move the car. You have to ADD energy to the car, from an outside source. You could make hydrogen in your garage off grid electricity, and put the hydrogen in your car, yes. But you'd be better off just charging an electric car, it's far more efficient.
@proaudiohd tell you what mate you can take those boots and shove them up your arse beacause its becoming more and more evident that this is a one way conversation where you are dictating to people. all i am/was trying to say is at the top of the page was if you want to try and make one then make one I.E as a science project thing to do with the kids if your not part of the solution then your part of the problem simples
@proaudiohd wrong, hydrogen alone is more explosivethe gasoline, propane, natural gas and methane, it simply does MORE work in an internal combustion engine...
its more bang for your buck. unless you didn't know combustion engines use controlled explosions
and since we cant refine gasoline, do you have a better idea? I dont see ANYONE trying to replace hho, yet more and more ppl are using it.. could be the atomic nature of hydrogen, Id expext an atomic to be better then a fossil fuel.
It's better because it's atomic? Oh boy. Anyway yes you can burn hydrogen in an engine and make power, but the hydrogen has to be made with some other source of energy.. for example the electric grid. Then you can put the pre-made hydrogen in the car and use its energy to move the car. Using its energy to try and make more hydrogen in the car is a losing game, and will quickly halt the engine. Understand?
@Me102288 I'm sorry but the energy release you get from burning hydrogen, oxydising it, is the same as the energy it took to get the hydrogen from the water in the first place. You are taking HHO, seperating the O and the HH, then turning it back into HHO. If all the rest of your equipment is 100% effecient (it isn't), you can just break even (you won't).
@gamesbok then its perfect to run on a vehicle which the alternater procduces the energy required while the generater makes the hho the feeds the engine..you just stated if the engine is running,. it would produce enough energy to creat enough hho just to run the engine :-)
and your dead on about what I've been talking about all this time.. its a fully recycleable fuel.Just add watter and a big battery just to srat the process.
@Me102288 If you take your big battery and run your car off the electric motor it would be more effecient than separating the HH and the O then joining the HH and the O together for no good reason. The only power in your system comes from the battery, wherever you got that.
@gamesbok but whats charging the battery? you propose and electric engine that use's energy from a battery, and charge then battery at the same time? I'm thinking more of a fuel u can make with the platform thats running on it. the input would be water, ducking under the over uninty law.. running a combustion engine = you always have electricty output from the alternater, it simply stays even, no extra anything.. minus water. And probably a battery charger or extra battery just to start it
@Me102288 To make Xkg of hydrogen will take Y joules in separating the HH from the O. Burn it in your engine, recombine the HH with the O and it will give out Y joules. The Y joules it took to seperate the HH in the first place came from an increase in the power required to drive the alternator.
If all your equipment is 100% effecient you still won't gain anything.
to proaudio you are right in what you are saying but you could always just start the car with your normal fuel then switch over to the hho system and if youve got agood enough engine management system providing you turn off the o2 sensor all the horsepower should be maintained and when isay switch i mean an actual switch just like if you had an lpg system fitted
@proaudiohd scamming people into buying the plans you can get them off the internet for free mate besides which all you need apparently is a jamjar and water with tubes lol that way is more ineffiecent granted the dry cell way is alot more effiecent and another way round the neighhhhhh horsepower is to use solar power now people will say that wont work with a lithium battery to power th hho system as it only takes 5 amps to power it the same as a ciggerate lighter for gods sake
@greyandme2 - Nice grammar. Did you finish school? Anyway what my other comment means is, if you want to add one horsepower to your engine via hydrogen combustion, you need to dump nearly TEN horsepower (7,500 watts) into a bubbler. Thats why you cant run this off the same engine it's feeding. That's why it will never power a car on-board. Even if it were 1hp in, 1hp out, it would still not move the car because there's no power left. You have to make the hydrogen outside the car.
@proaudiohd yeah mate went to high school went to college. And went to university studied engineering at university but as you might say dropped out due to illness and stress of not being able to afford a roof over my head guess which one won that arguement the roof over my head and if you went to school you should know someones grammar does not dictate that the person is thick albert einstein for example and if you read the whole comment i said to use solar power with li ion battery deep cycle
@proaudiohd oh i know what you mean you prick and you obviously didnt read my whole comment such as some of the hho designs require only 5 amps some more some less? the idea i said was to use a solar panel with a lithium battery deep cycle the solar panel charges the battery which powers the hho if you do the math right then it should work taking all factors into consideration such as is the vehicle diesel/petrol manual/automatic normal avg fuel consumption and everything else
@greyandme2 - 5 amps at 12v is only 60 watts. Electrolysis machines are 80% efficient so that gives you 48 potential watts of HHO. But the combustion engine is only 30% efficient at best, so it would give you 14.4 watts which is 0.019 horsepower. That is meaningless. If you wanted to generate 120 crank horsepower out of a combustion engine via electrolysis, you would need to start with nearly 400,000 watts (33,333 amps at 12v). Where's that going to come from? Not from on board.
@proaudiohd on board what ? you cant finish a sentance like that mate after all the times youve been going on at me about my english/typing skills. see its not nice is it with the character limit on the comments box like i said before not all cars have the same horsepower or fuel consumption some cars are automatic therefore use more fuel then manuals use less so what you written down there doesnt bear any truth youve got to take all the factors into consideration i did say 5 amps less or more
@greyandme2 - Dude we are talking about cars.. So where do you think I mean? on board the potato? It does not matter what kind of car, it does not matter what kind of electrolysis machine you use, it will never work to run a car with on-board electrolysis because water is not a fuel. Cracking it into HHO only yields as much energy as was expended in the electrolysis. That energy has to come from somewhere, and 5 amps of solar isnt going to cut it. You'd need 33,333 amps for a small car.
@greyandme2 - Also, if you are getting your electricity from some magical massive solar panels, or a battery that was charged from the grid, making hydrogen is a complete waste of time. It is far more efficient to put that electricity directly into an electric motor driving the wheels. Water is not a fuel, and making hydrogen from water on-board a car is a process that consumes energy, instead of generating energy. If you still don't get it, then I have some rocket shoes to sell you.
@proaudiohd magical. whoa there horsee whoa. or a battery that was charged from the grid first of all i said a solar panel on top of the car should charge the spare li ion battery you can get them pretty light in weight with more energy out put then standard lead acid batterys nowadays but i also said to keep the existing lead battery as you might still need that to start the engine normally ? and yes even there getting more effiecient
Really? You know nothing about hydrogen. Hydrogen burn at a very high temperature, about 6000degrees. The hydrogem engine are special made, these piston are design for hrydrogen. Any engine that you try to run on hydrogen ,will be like puting gas into a deisel engine...It will burn a hole in the pistons. HHO is a scam!
actually hydrogen reaction with H2O is controlled by adding another element so the electrons arnt let lose causing extreme temperatures and look up the toyota clarity chum hydrogen power SMD FOOOL
if your technology is so advanced then why can't you use something a little more flashy than the default font on windows movie maker??
PaperHeroProductions 1 month ago
Im an ASE certified mechanic and have a engineering degree. Im not saying if this works or not until I try it. I am currently working on a kit and going to install it to give it a shot. It did make Hydrogen gas and did burn when I put a lighter to it. Its not a waste of time to me cause it was fund building and cheap. If it works or not I could care less cause I can afford the gas prices. I wish the big mouths on here would shut up and stop quoting science that does does not apply to this device
yournamehere954 2 months ago
@yournamehere954 can you tell us more please , i am an automative tech student and working my ASE's ,, did u build the kit and if u did how it worked , i had enough of this youtube crab which i cant figure out whats true and what not
yazied00100 2 months ago
@yazied00100 Well, like I stated. I have not installed it in my truck as yet. But it does produce gas that is explosive. When I put a lighter to the bubbles they react and pop. I will install it in my truck when I have a chance one day just for the sake of science. . Whether it works or not I dont care, its a fun built. Just give it a shot. Dont dont listen to the negative comments. Nothings a waste of time as long as your learning along the way. Beats watching TV.
yournamehere954 2 months ago
well. There always could be the key to this thing - separating hydrogen from water could be less resource consuming than blowing it up. These are two different types of energy.
If you take a stick of dynamyte then comparing the energy to make gunpowder AND comparing the energy that releases then it blows up - you can't just compare things like that.
arva1kes 2 months ago
It's like sitting on a sailboat, and blowing on the sail. You won't go anywhere.
nateloder 2 months ago
I think this is a good metaphore for expaining what the more savvy scientists are trying to explain here:
Picture yourself on a bungee cord. Pull that bungee cord really tight, then launch yourself into the air. No matter how high you go, you will never drop lower than your original launching point. That is because you can never get more energy out of something than what has been applied to it.
nateloder 2 months ago
@nateloder Superchargers uses energy from the motor and create MORE energy. The trick is the energy is converted as well to a more useful energy. Your bungee cord comment is simple science and does not apply. You are wrong.
yournamehere954 2 months ago
@yournamehere954 Yeah because MORE fuel is added.
Ham549 1 month ago
Because you're actually just a liar and a thief.
rstevewarmorycom 3 months ago
Can't say that it works or not. My simple unit has produced 62 MPG in my '01 Suburu outback (2.5 L) highway and 40 MPG city driving. Yes, do have to replish yhe water - what a bummer.. Guess it dosn't work at all.
glavra 6 months ago
Newton's law has since been superseded by Einstein's theory of general relativity, but it continues to be used as an excellent approximation of the effects of gravity. Relativity is required only when there is a need for extreme precision, or when dealing with gravitation for extremely massive and dense objects.
greyandme2 7 months ago
Newton's law of gravitation resembles Coulomb's law of electrical forces, which is used to calculate the magnitude of electrical force between two charged bodies. Both are inverse-square laws, in which force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the bodies.
greyandme2 7 months ago
Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
greyandme2 7 months ago
wants to change this they would focus their thoughts on the goal (having more money) rather than the problem (needing more money). This might take the form of phrases such as "I have as much money as I need" or "I have a job that pays very well".
greyandme2 7 months ago
The Law of Attraction is a metaphysical New Thought belief that "like attracts like", that positive and negative thinking bring about positive and negative physical results, respectively.[1][2][3][4] According to the Law of Attraction, the phrase "I need more money" allows the subject to continue to "need more money". If the subject
greyandme2 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
one final comment to everyone if you think its a good idea to try. try building one for yourself i will give this ago for certain. money and time permitting. who knows a kid at a science fair. might astonish the world one day with a better version as technology is constently evolving. also it might turn out to be another volcano experiment you could do with your kids ? lol dont let them do it themselfs though
greyandme2 7 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
Everyone do your part to flag these videos as: spam > scams/fraud
proaudiohd 7 months ago
@proaudiohd already have flag these videos as they are misleading with regards the video content
greyandme2 7 months ago
@proaudiohd continued and yes even there getting more effiecient and so are solar panels so to dictate to someone that itll never work is just that a dictatorship science is suppose to be fun for people to learn about not talked to like its religion you can change an idea its trickier to change a belief thats my 2cents worth anyway
greyandme2 7 months ago
@proaudiohd you are kinda right. in the fact that it would probably be better to use the solar panels to power a electric motor. but dont forget the subject at hand the whole discussion is suppose to be about converting your existing car to run on hydrogen. not having to pay for a so called new electric car. which will undoubtably cost more then existing new petrol/diesel vehicles. and will lead to more vehicles on the road which will mean more traffic.
greyandme2 6 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
now if you guys want to see a scam ive got the perfect video for you lot to argue about is the geet vapor carburetor please comment on your views once youve seen the video
greyandme2 7 months ago
wtf man i thought the video was going to be about why you cant run your car on hydrogen instead its telling us why you can confusing i mean iknow you can make hydrogen but the main question is it viable will it work with your car personally people say it will put a strain on the engine but as it takes only 5 amps to power the unit of a dry cell who knows and one way round that problem is to use a solar panel with lithium battery
greyandme2 7 months ago
researching fuels I've come across the costs to refine gasoline and electolysis,
apparenly, wikipedia states we use 6000 to 7000 watts to refine 1 gallon of gasoline
and electrolysis take 180 watts to split 1 gallon of HHO (Hydroxy / Browns Gas)
6000 watts? could run my lil drycell for 33 hours on that and produce (1.5 litre per minute) = 2970 Litre's or 740 GALLONS
Its great electrolysis is getting more effecient :-)
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 yeah mate tell that to pro audio for someones username being proaudio he dosnt listen very well hes to concerned with grammar not math
greyandme2 7 months ago
@Me102288 cant view your channel?
greyandme2 7 months ago
ah finally it loads what a waste of timeas iwas saying before the battery powers the alternator which powers the startermotor to turn the crank/pistonsnow the alternator powers the sparkplug/glowplug fairly simple really now do you really think after all that energy went into starting the engine its lost no''''' it is not the engine then powers the alternator which charges the battery so you can start the car backup when you turn the ignitionoffwishcouldrephrasemylastcommetbutcantwordlimit
greyandme2 7 months ago
f##ck me take for ever to load or what what ever man probably just same idiot putting water in his tank or something the description is misleading and its not a scamyou can produce hydrogen from water the plans can be downloaded for free at some websites oh and yes it does take energy from the battery to start with but providing youve got fuel in the tank already the energy goes back into the battery how the hell do people think your car gets started the battery powers the alternator/generator
greyandme2 7 months ago
really wish idiots would stop the run on water crap.. ITS RUNNING ON HYDROGEN SPLIT FROM WATER jeez
Ya I bet you cant run it on water because it isn't explosive... However, when you perfform ELECTROLYSIS on it you split it into its natural elements hydrogen (the most combustable fuel on the planet, and the most effecient) and Oxygen, an ACCELERENT to combusion.. DONT LISTEN TO THIS MISINFORMATION
BMW HYDROGEN 7 RUNS ON HYDROGEN. lookup electrolysis and BMW's hydrogen COMBUSTION engine.
Me102288 7 months ago
aw 3 to 10 years... LOL guess what BMW beat them, BMW hydrogen 7 runs on 100% hydrogen slitt from water.
By the way not all alternators are 55% effecient.. look up permanent magnet alternater.. dont be surprised they removerd the electromagnet and replaced it with permanent magnets.. no longer need electricity to magnetize the stator. which = all energy out none in.. try 85 to 90% effecient nowadays :-)
also engine effeciency it rated by what fuel the run, 30% is on gasoline lol
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 You are so caught up with this hydrogen thing. You will never see a commercially viable car in your lifetime. You might be able to buy one if you have a million dollars lol. But as of today, the fuel cell technology is not durable enough; there is no way to store it safely, so you'll never have more than a 100-miles range; and there is no refueling infrastructure in place. H2 car is just there to make you think they want to get us off gasoline, but they don't. It's too profitable.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto uh, nor do I expect to, been experimennting with it for almost 30 years boy.. I'll simply run my own Hydroxy generater,
Why did you think its possible for the oil business to lose the $30 some billion a year in gasoline?
of course not.. they would buy us off, make the technology disappear, and tell everybody it doesnt work and to pay for they gasoline.. lol see it in history for the last 100 years..
I seriously hope you know electrolysis is a 100 year old technology..
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Oddly enough I did know that electrolysis is a 100 year old technology, but did you know that 200 to 300 hundred years before that it was proven that energy can not be created or destroyed....
The hydroxy generator to increase gas millage is one of the many relatives of the perpetual motion machine.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto so you trust what a guy said 2 to 300 years ago? lol sorry but that guy couldn't see the future, so it isn't a law at all.. He had no idea what we would learn in 200 years, and if he expected no one to learn anything, I believe its just a single persons interpretation.
Or do you honestly think we don't learn anything and we are confined to what someone said 300 years ago?
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Well, it's clear from your response that not only do you know little about physics, but you also don't know anything about science in general, and have probably never sat in an upper level science class. Physical laws like the fact that energy can not be created or destroyed has withstood 400 years of scrutiny, and is still prevailing.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto I agree to that, yet you might want to look a the type of energy, you use gasoline EXPLOSIONS to move a car or truck... HYDROGEN IS MORE EXPLOSIVE THEN GASOLINE, so you refine 1 gallon of gasoline takes 6000 watts... 1 gallon of hydrogen takes 160 to 180 per gallon.. whats your point.
Do you honestly think your creating energy when refinng gasoline from oil? Well its the samn damn thing "refining, or splitting" less energy required to get hho.
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 I've seen some of your other posts; you have no problems accepting facts from outside sources when it suits your argument, yet you disallow one of the most basic laws of physics. If you are not interested in the finding out the truth, if you are not open to the truth, if you are not interested in finding out what you don't know...why are you on here?
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto lol you could blow sunshine up ppls ass all day buddy theres no way to proof it doesnt work, and more and more ppl arer using them, Its not a matterr of laws people have written, its the truth were finding out now. theres proof a combustion engine runs on hydrogen with no gasoline involved, that means its one step from storing it in a tank and generating it on demand.. So think what you want, my goal is never using a fossil fuel ever again.. instead of paying to polute our planet
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Like I said in my previous post, you disallow scientific knowledge when it's convenient for you. "it's not about the laws people write…" how would you ever hope to learn anything with that view point. I know what i say about HHO cells is true because I have a technical background and I researched it hoping it would be viable. But it's not; in fact it's decreasing your gas millage. All the FACTS point to this. If you'd open your eyes you'd see it.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto so you thing scientists are perfect and never make mistake huh.. ooook
lemme see, I dont believe believe this earth flat because somone prooved it wasn't
so I'll gladly test it myself , and you can continuosly pay higher and higher prices for the same gasoline until it runs out :-)
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Quite the contrary, for every scientist trying to prove something, there is another scientist trying to disprove it, which is why it is remarkable when a theory withstands 400 years of scrutiny. But what we (people who aren't putting HHO generators in their cars) know about energy is not a theory; it's proven fact. And they govern every meaningful discussion on the topic of efficiency. Without these laws, there simply is no discussion.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@Me102288 When I learned this stuff in school, we did experiments that proved what we were being told; we didn't just take it at face value. If you really care about getting off of gas, which it sounds like you do, study these basic laws and you'll see adding an electrolyzer to a car to save gas is complete nonsense, and that you end up using even more gas in your car, and end up sending even more monies to big oil. It's true; the earth is not flat. It's already been proven…
seacoastauto 7 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
@Me102288 I, like you, was initially drawn to the idea for the same reasons you are. I wanted to get off fossil fuels, and I still do. No one disputes that cars can run on Hydrogen, but that's not the issue. The problem is using gas to power and engine, to run the alternator, to run an electrolyzer, to produces H2, to then feed it back into the engine. It's like going from FL to NY via california. Every time you convert energy some of it is lost. This is why it doesn't work.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@Me102288 spot on mate to your previous comment Do you honestly think your creating energy when refinng gasoline from oil? Well its the samn damn thing "refining, or splitting" less energy required to get hho. just ignore seacoastauto he did send me a video though of a scam that went on in america where a guy was selling these hho systems when the public could have just made it themselves for less then 200 bucks and i did try to show him a video of a wood gassifier but still got no response
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 never said I was...I know the effeciency of gasoline.. its not good...but is also why cars pump out gallons of nasty crap while burning it.
Lots scams everywhere,..doesny mean the base technology doesnt work :-\ He's just another sheep :-)
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 at least theres someone on here who has an understanding of what me and you and some people are trying to say instead of being a stubbon mule:-) yeah there are a lot of scams out there in the real world and cyber but if human beings cant pass their own judement on these sorts of things and think for themselves then it just becomes a bit of an oxymoron so to speak
greyandme2 7 months ago
@Me102288 please read my response to your pal greyandme2 regarding why I haven't responded to him in a timely manner.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto your gonna laugh now @me102288 wasnt actually calling you a sheep he and i was talking about proaudio as just like you he likes grammar
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto please read the comments page to start to understand where im coming from
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto personally i dont care if you respond to me in a timely manner or not mate you and I and everyone in the world has got there own thing going on in life and to be quite honest with you even if i could live to 200 years old you would never truly understand what ive been trying to say any way good luck with the future
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 Honestly speaking, the reason why I haven't responded is because three quarters of everything you write is typos and incoherent mishmash; I don't know what you're talking about half the time. You, just like your friend Me102288, can't give a rational rebuttal to any of my statements about the technology or the physical laws it violates, but i'm the "sheep". I'm the "believer". No, I'm actually the guy who did the research, then decided what to believe...
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto fair enough but at least that means 25% of what ive been trying to say has been getting through and like isaid before i have word limit on the comments box so i have to most of the time anyway use text speak annoying i know unless of course you want me to write like like an engish gentleman ahh pishhpoosh mishmash and all that
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto mate havent heard from you in that long i was beginning to think you were dead but nice to have you back any way with regards you last statement can't give a rational rebuttal to any of my statements about the technology or the physical laws it violates, but i'm the "sheep". I'm the "believer". No, I'm actually the guy who did the research, then decided what to believe... tell me this then you goe on about laws and phisic and if your that smart p.t.o
greyandme2 7 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
explain string theory in better detail then anyway im not saying it does or dosent work what i was trying to say was the base technology does work otherwise you wouldnt of been able to do the experiment but all you keep on going on about is is my typing skills and being as we as people will never know how far along you were in your personal research in the first place and going right back to my first question was what does work and does not work the base technology does work you run a current
greyandme2 7 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoast through electrodes in an electrolyzer solution now then you can produce hydrogen that way but just like i guess what your saying is and im questioning is how can we make it work in a vehicle with out putting a strain on the engine one idea i seen was solar power now then if you hook up a solar panel to a deep cycle lithium battery the solar energy should power the hho system and any surplus energy from the panel will charge the battery whilst the engine takes over and powers the hho
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto hows my grammar now
greyandme2 7 months ago
For all you doubters, look at website for Innovative Hydrogen Solutions. They manufacture, sell, and install an assist system for diesel semi trucks. This is the real deal.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 same with a lot a the trucking companys, theyre outfitting hho generaters to improve mileage to..
Lol why did we use gasoline in the first place? Oh right, they couldnt make nearly as much on water then they do gasoline..
Just got a gallon of water for free from my well.. Think a gallon of gas here is around $4, it'll hit $8 in anoter 25 years.. (following history, it was like 35 cents a gallon 50 years ago) :-\
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Thanks for the heads up! Even just complementing a gas or diesel engine with water/methanol injection is an improvement. Kerosene was important for lighting and since it was available, people found other uses. Gas prices may double much sooner than 25 yrs unless there is a safer energy mix. Best of luck.
RedRiver2011 7 months ago
...then
you tell in your Website you can get 60 % saving with hho
why this title really?
avishayu 8 months ago
another scammer video
OutbackKanga 9 months ago
Even if your car's engine is 100% efficient, you would only lose your fuel energy for nothing with this system. Remember the Newton's rule; the sum of energy and mass is constant. You cannot create energy from nothing.
zaferydo 9 months ago
@zaferydo Internal combustion engine on gasoline effeciency = 35%
On just hydrogen = 55 to 65%
On Hydroxy = closer to 85%
Its not the engine, its the effeciency of the fuel you feed it.. whicj is basically anything explosive enough to push a piston down a cylinder :-\
Remember that alternater in your car? Its putting out more electricity then it needs to power just the cars electronics.. that waste can be used to splitt water.
Me102288 7 months ago
@zaferydo LOL newton didnt know what we would learn in 200 years, or do you think a humans perception of "it cant happen because he said so" is right and can never change from what we learn.. If so, we would be on a flat planet without aircraft because someone said it was imposible.
Personally I'm not a sheep, I find out for myself.
Me102288 7 months ago
well i think yall are getting hung up on the science..if i get better gas mile from using hydrogen then i save gas whether the alternator pulls more on the engine or what ever i still. get better gas mileage..it also is of no consequence if i use solar panel to chrge battery ...still higher mileage..i comute 100 miles a day and in my v6 truck i gained 3 mpg in my honda civic 4mpg i save 2.4 gallons aweek and right now with gas @$4 a gallon thats$10 a wekk $40 a month almost $500yr &$30 in parts
CyBrtekComputers 9 months ago
@CyBrtekComputers the problem is that this system defies the laws if physics. It is not a conspiracy by oil companies- it's just basic thermodynamics. You are putting another load on the engine by running the HHO generator, and you don't get that energy back; in fact you loose a large percentage of it through the inefficiency of the HHO device, i.e. the heating of the HHO device. It is a misconception that and HHO generator is somehow recovering lost energy. It is not.
seacoastauto 9 months ago
@seacoastauto no it doesnt.. the major problem with people believing OTHER People,, Those laws were written BY A HUMAN... Humans make mistakes.. you trust the guy/girl to be absolutely right when the didnt know what was going to happen the next day.... LOL you believe in the false god of he says she says?
LoL BMW Hydrogen 7 proves without laws, LOOK AT IT RUNNING ON HYDROGEN..
Now tell me Hydroxy on demand isnt one stel away. Its not recovering anything who told you that?
Me102288 7 months ago
@CyBrtekComputers the problem is that this system defies the laws if physics. It is not a conspiracy by oil companies- it's just basic thermodynamics. You are putting another load on the engine by running the HHO generator, and you don't get that energy back; in fact you loose a large percentage of it through the inefficiency of the HHO device, i.e. the heating of the HHO device. It is a misconception that an HHO generator is somehow recovering lost energy. It is not.
seacoastauto 9 months ago
@seacoastauto no it doesnt at all, less the 50% of gasoline doesnt burn, so if you could make refined gas to run the engine, the engines alreadty puttingout electricity for ALL the electronics PLUS slightly over that... I really dont think you understand its already generating MORE power then it needs.. wheres thatt power go? It doesnt, its used for accesory's we put on, and if its not enough, replace it with one that puts out more. simple
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 I think it's funny that you say "I don't understand…" and then say that a car produces MORE power than it needs. That is NOT true. It produces EXACTLY what it needs. Most cars' electrical systems operate around 13.5 to 14.5 V depending on the model. The Voltage Regulator in the alternator keeps the voltage in the system constant by adjusting the current flow as the power needs of the car change, depending on the electrical load.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@Me102288 Most small cars' alternators can produce around a 60 amps, which gives it a potential to produce 840W of power (14V x 60 amps), but if you don't have anything turned on it doesn't produce it's max 840 watts. I'll puts out what ever current needs to maintain the voltage and power needs of the system.
Don't take my word for it, Google: Voltage Regulator in an alternator.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@Me102288 This brings me back to my original point: the electromotive forces resisting the rotation of the rotor increases because of the increase in current flow. This is seen by the engine as another load, albeit a relatively small one, it still decrease mpg. You can argue that you are putting that energy back into the engine in the form of HHO. But an electrolyzer producing the gas is only 50%-80% efficient, so you have a net energy loss. It doesn't work!!!
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto - Thank you! Finally someone who has read a book. Not only is the electrolyzer 50%-80% efficient, but the alternator is around 80%, and the combustion engine only 30%. For every one horsepower you draw at the alternator for HH0 generation, burning it returns only about 0.13 horsepower to the crank. Even if these were all 100% efficient, (they never can be) you would be taking away one horsepower just to return one horsepower. That leaves no power to move the car.
proaudiohd 7 months ago
@proaudiohd It really is amazing what you read on these HHO threads. And it's even more amazing how hard it can be to explain why it doesn't work in spite of the fact that you have every physical law regarding energy on your side. I've got to say it's clever though. You could be fooled if you think energy is being recovered. I spoke with my Thermodynamics prof about it and he had to think about it. My Circuits prof., who wrote a book permanent magnet motors, said it was bullshit instantly.
seacoastauto 6 months ago
@seacoastauto yeah it is really amazing how hard it is to try to explain why it cannot work. but it is just the same trying to explain why it could work if some one came up with an idea to make it work. instead of just being blinded by science. im just trying to think outside the box. the first hho generator was the hoffman apparetus. a very ineffiecent one at that. the best person to ask i guess is stephen hawkings but good luck trying to contact him.
greyandme2 6 months ago
@CyBrtekComputers I know, I dug around on Nasa's pages, wondering why they call it a fuel. Apparently because it is, it can replace gas, or help it burn more effeciently. I never really believed science said it was imposible.. mostly because scientists are still studying water, and why it has more energy then anything they've previously studied.
I glad you save, I'm building generators to save money on electricity, turn out a tiny engine running hho can still turn a pretty large alernater
Me102288 7 months ago
Who is this clown? Must be working for the so-called ELITE. aka Oil companies
dennybeezel 10 months ago
they have already made a car that runs on water dipshit
zipper978 10 months ago
@zipper978 haha, have you seen said car???
seacoastauto 9 months ago
@seacoastauto I have, and you should know anything says its running on water = itys running on hydron and oxygen split from water. :-\ wonder if he was thinking about the VW Beetle rsi
Me102288 7 months ago
that simplified diagram is incredibly simplified.
Celsior400 10 months ago
motersickel you don't lose as it is not the power of the motor that runs a HHO system as it runs off battery power not engine power. Think you need to go and reread those books. The only time your eqaution comes into it is trying to get more power from a small amount of power a totally different system to what is here. The hardest bit is getting the right flow to run your car flat out as the gas can only be produced at a certain rate but there are ways around it.
vkturbo176hp 1 year ago
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YES YOU CAN, I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING YOU CANT. Nobody says turbo and super chargers don't boost your car but it is the same idea, running something off an engine to improve it. Look around, there are a bunch of people proving it works.
aForkandaSpoon 1 year ago
big oil & gas use hydrolosis + rf & at times emp to fracture gas & oil wells since 50 years ago the patents are online, lookup john w ely & rustum roy & suppressed technologies US military have a drone can fly 5 mnths on hho non stop. & then theres john meyer & thousands of ozzies & individuals across the planet whove been using hho to run their vehicles.
acedagaiin 1 year ago
This is a FAIL video.
The title has no relation to the contents in the video.
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
@DancingSpiderman yes that was my point exactly
greyandme2 7 months ago
@DancingSpiderman well its true isnt it the title has nothing to do with the video epic fail and if i did leave a comment on here somewhere saying finally someone who makes nonsense as it wouldnt surprise me my f##cking keyboard keeps sticking when i press certain letters lol :) which might explain part of the reason why some people dont understand what im typing
greyandme2 7 months ago
The only reason this video exists it to try to redirect you! The text is misleading . . . flag it
Drakesword 1 year ago
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True Free energy devices exist,But the Establishment doesn't want ppl to know this,Get the blueprints for a free energy motor at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM ,Join the energy revolution!
fittingciobb 1 year ago
well im using pure water with no gas for 15 yrs. already and theres no problem at all. sometimes consider the natural law rather than the caculator law or man-made law.
MrNg59 1 year ago
@MrNg59 Excuse me sir, but learn 2 physics.
rathat48 1 year ago
@MrNg59 How? What are you using? How are you doing it?
rcvanau 9 months ago
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The Oil companies are trying their best to stop free energy ideas from spreading to common ppl.
We need to put an end to this corruption ,start generating your own electricity.
Look for the LT MAGNET MOTOR in youtube video search. Join the Revolution!!
intermitrj 1 year ago
Lol runing a car on water does work but not for long.... it will destroy your engine because the hydrogen reaction with the metal making it weaker.... so dont try to put hydrogen into your air intake you might have a bad surprise someday!
b0utch 1 year ago
crap
plasmaguy5 1 year ago
Erm y not use hydrogen well if you use water you can essentially have a car that has infinite fuel all you do is split or break the water down into hydrogen and water and then you burn the oxeygen with the hydrogen and you can do that again n again and again
IAbominator 1 year ago
What a waste of space. . .I mean you!
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
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Sorry.
Water is oxidation product like ash. To make fuel from ash or water You need more energy then contains estabilished fuel.
Another way You can make perpetum mobile.
Please go to Your old school physics teacher and say him that he is working at wrong place.
Why can man sell "10 dollar water energy fuel cells" only in US?
TilkRaivo 1 year ago
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Sorry. Water is oxidation product like ash. To make fuel from ash or water You need more energy then contains estabilished fuel.
Another way You can make perpetum mobile.
Please go to Your old school physics teacher and say him that he is working at wrong place.
Why can man sell "10 dollar water energy fuel cells" only in US?
TilkRaivo 1 year ago
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Sorry. Water is oxidation product like ash. To make fuel from ash or water You need more energy then contains estabilished fuel.
Another way You can make perpetum mobile.
Please go to Your old school physics teacher and say him that he is working at wrong place.
Why can man sell "10 dollar water energy fuel cells" only in US?
TilkRaivo 1 year ago
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I have 4 e-books that show how to convert your car to run on HHO and how to make the set-up. You can download them free at
mediafire. com/file/zz2zillim3j/Run your car on water Ebooks.zip
Casper3417 1 year ago
This still does not answer why my car blew up when I put soda in it.
ThePAIN1488 1 year ago
when their is a will their is a way.. i will make a car run on water or buy it.
MadHatterTruth 1 year ago
"Why You Cannot Run Your Car on Water?"
Because water isn't a fuel, idiot.
Desertphile 1 year ago
my car runs on water dumb ass.
aaronlovespot 2 years ago 4
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@aaronlovespot "my car runs on water dumb ass."
That's good... I've REVERSED the process on my car.
My car runs on dumbass. Yes, you read it correctly.
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
Screw all this jib-jab. If *product producers* are 'con's' hustling people out of their sorely needed gas money now days- then you, we, all of us, have an obligation to broadcast and expose these crooked bast_rds!
We are very close to finding the key to unlock the power of hydrogen energy. But, serious work is still needed.
Sales of Phony products are the best allies that 'Big Petroleum' has to destroy public confidence and de-rail the needed research.
Trilibites 2 years ago 3
@Trilibites finally someone whoo speaks sense
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 I had to do a double take; I thought your comment said "finally, someone who speaks nonsense"
DancingSpiderman 7 months ago
I read a while ago that Japan was working on a technology which extracted Hydrogen from sea water using large cells which were also agitated by the tide and waves.
Sunlight is used to run the reaction.
such a system, if made to work well, could supply Hydrogen much more directly and cheaply than having to use other, finite energy sources for electrolysis.
marsCubed 2 years ago
Yes i'm already there, I am almost convinced with what I saw...the inventions. When is this going to be be implemented? for all... not only for one!!! Its been there for years, nothing's happening. Is it really working?
bonarip 2 years ago
you'll never get back more energy than you put in. Alternators are 55% efficient, electrolysis is 80% efficient, and combustion engine is around 30% efficient. Loss, loss, loss. For every horsepower you take away from the engine to make hydrogen, that burning hydrogen gives the crankshaft back around .132 horsepower. So what's the point? To scam people into buying plans, thats what.
proaudiohd 2 years ago 13
the point is to go to the following system:
large plants produce power as clean as possible.
(this could get close to a 100% clean if you use the correct fuels and also setup the 'engine' efficiently..
Then they create hydrogen gass that will be used in cars.
Thats the end goal.... these are just tests.
Ofcourse a car cannot run on just water .....
partyshock 2 years ago
Hydrogen is cryogenic, leaky, explosive, and generally a pain in the ass. Ask nasa! I say skip hydrogen altogether. We all already have grid electricity. No new network needed. Just dump that straight into a battery in the car which turns a brushless electric motor. If you have a solar panel + windmill, then presto. You are powering your own transportation and no foreign entity can raise the price on you.
proaudiohd 2 years ago
so tell me how im running my 76 ford on a cell and that i drive to work everyday. people like you need to go to school and open your mind and stop being so neg!
dish125db 1 year ago
@proaudiohd you clearly have no mechanical understanding
wislongolf2369 1 year ago
Actually, I do.
proaudiohd 1 year ago
@proaudiohd dummy its not like it takes a thousand amps to run a dang hho generator lol a car audio system takes a lot of amperage to run but i have never felt it bog my car down lol this does work i have a generator sittin right in front of me that took me 30 mins to build, and used common house hold products and powered it using a 8.4v 3300mah rc car battery and produced a fair amount of gas, not enought to run a car obviously but enough to burn, make a small heater just for sh#@s n giggles
motersickel 1 year ago
@motersickel - Dude, it takes more power to run electrolysis than you can extract from the resulting hydrogen. I don't care if it draws 20 amps, or 20,000 amps, the hydrogen you make will supply the engine with less power than it took away. Go read a book.
proaudiohd 1 year ago
@proaudiohd I think you can probably use solar panels to generate electricity to make and bottle HHO at home, and then connect the tank to your car.
GrandpaTD 10 months ago
@GrandpaTD - Yes, that would work! But in that scenario you are adding the energy to the car from an outside source. What will NOT work, is using the car's engine to make hydrogen on-board to fuel itself. That will cause the car to loser power, not gain power. That's the scam that's going on here. And besides the point, its more efficient to use electricity to charge an electric car, than it is to make hydrogen and run a combustion engine. One is 90% efficient, the other less than 20%.
proaudiohd 10 months ago
@GrandpaTD good idea im sure theres someone on here who might disagree with you on that though saying something like thats more dangerous or you need to make hydride to put in the tanks to heat it up so the gas can be released into the engine
greyandme2 6 months ago
@proaudiohd
have u herd of perpetual motion? google it dude theres soooo many ideas on how to make it
DragonsREpic 10 months ago
@proaudiohd i totally agree with you.
zaferydo 9 months ago
@proaudiohd permanent magnet alternaters arent 55% standard electromagnet alternators are.
All the energy used to magnetize the stator to get it to produce electricity in the first place, pretty lame require'ing electricity to produce electricity :-\
Anyway, permanent magnets are much more effecient.. just my 2 cents :-)
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 - When you burn the H H O, you only get back the same amount of energy that was put into electrolysis.. So even if you had magical, zero friction, 100% efficient systems that do not exist, there would still be no energy left over to move the car. You have to ADD energy to the car, from an outside source. You could make hydrogen in your garage off grid electricity, and put the hydrogen in your car, yes. But you'd be better off just charging an electric car, it's far more efficient.
proaudiohd 7 months ago
@proaudiohd tell you what mate you can take those boots and shove them up your arse beacause its becoming more and more evident that this is a one way conversation where you are dictating to people. all i am/was trying to say is at the top of the page was if you want to try and make one then make one I.E as a science project thing to do with the kids if your not part of the solution then your part of the problem simples
greyandme2 7 months ago
@proaudiohd wrong, hydrogen alone is more explosivethe gasoline, propane, natural gas and methane, it simply does MORE work in an internal combustion engine...
its more bang for your buck. unless you didn't know combustion engines use controlled explosions
and since we cant refine gasoline, do you have a better idea? I dont see ANYONE trying to replace hho, yet more and more ppl are using it.. could be the atomic nature of hydrogen, Id expext an atomic to be better then a fossil fuel.
Me102288 7 months ago
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proaudiohd 6 months ago
It's better because it's atomic? Oh boy. Anyway yes you can burn hydrogen in an engine and make power, but the hydrogen has to be made with some other source of energy.. for example the electric grid. Then you can put the pre-made hydrogen in the car and use its energy to move the car. Using its energy to try and make more hydrogen in the car is a losing game, and will quickly halt the engine. Understand?
proaudiohd 6 months ago
@proaudiohd youve changed your tune of the conversation now?
greyandme2 6 months ago
@Me102288 I'm sorry but the energy release you get from burning hydrogen, oxydising it, is the same as the energy it took to get the hydrogen from the water in the first place. You are taking HHO, seperating the O and the HH, then turning it back into HHO. If all the rest of your equipment is 100% effecient (it isn't), you can just break even (you won't).
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok then its perfect to run on a vehicle which the alternater procduces the energy required while the generater makes the hho the feeds the engine..you just stated if the engine is running,. it would produce enough energy to creat enough hho just to run the engine :-)
and your dead on about what I've been talking about all this time.. its a fully recycleable fuel.Just add watter and a big battery just to srat the process.
Me102288 6 months ago
@Me102288 If you take your big battery and run your car off the electric motor it would be more effecient than separating the HH and the O then joining the HH and the O together for no good reason. The only power in your system comes from the battery, wherever you got that.
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok but whats charging the battery? you propose and electric engine that use's energy from a battery, and charge then battery at the same time? I'm thinking more of a fuel u can make with the platform thats running on it. the input would be water, ducking under the over uninty law.. running a combustion engine = you always have electricty output from the alternater, it simply stays even, no extra anything.. minus water. And probably a battery charger or extra battery just to start it
Me102288 6 months ago
@Me102288 To make Xkg of hydrogen will take Y joules in separating the HH from the O. Burn it in your engine, recombine the HH with the O and it will give out Y joules. The Y joules it took to seperate the HH in the first place came from an increase in the power required to drive the alternator.
If all your equipment is 100% effecient you still won't gain anything.
gamesbok 6 months ago
to proaudio you are right in what you are saying but you could always just start the car with your normal fuel then switch over to the hho system and if youve got agood enough engine management system providing you turn off the o2 sensor all the horsepower should be maintained and when isay switch i mean an actual switch just like if you had an lpg system fitted
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 well ya just solved my prob with staring the whole process, I was going to get an extra battery just for starting it on hho :-\
Me102288 6 months ago
@Me102288 what you solved. the whole beginning process of making the hydroxy
greyandme2 6 months ago
@Me102288 well im glad to help if you solved the problem you were having. (law of attraction : )
greyandme2 6 months ago
@proaudiohd scamming people into buying the plans you can get them off the internet for free mate besides which all you need apparently is a jamjar and water with tubes lol that way is more ineffiecent granted the dry cell way is alot more effiecent and another way round the neighhhhhh horsepower is to use solar power now people will say that wont work with a lithium battery to power th hho system as it only takes 5 amps to power it the same as a ciggerate lighter for gods sake
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 - Nice grammar. Did you finish school? Anyway what my other comment means is, if you want to add one horsepower to your engine via hydrogen combustion, you need to dump nearly TEN horsepower (7,500 watts) into a bubbler. Thats why you cant run this off the same engine it's feeding. That's why it will never power a car on-board. Even if it were 1hp in, 1hp out, it would still not move the car because there's no power left. You have to make the hydrogen outside the car.
proaudiohd 7 months ago
@proaudiohd yeah mate went to high school went to college. And went to university studied engineering at university but as you might say dropped out due to illness and stress of not being able to afford a roof over my head guess which one won that arguement the roof over my head and if you went to school you should know someones grammar does not dictate that the person is thick albert einstein for example and if you read the whole comment i said to use solar power with li ion battery deep cycle
greyandme2 7 months ago
@proaudiohd oh i know what you mean you prick and you obviously didnt read my whole comment such as some of the hho designs require only 5 amps some more some less? the idea i said was to use a solar panel with a lithium battery deep cycle the solar panel charges the battery which powers the hho if you do the math right then it should work taking all factors into consideration such as is the vehicle diesel/petrol manual/automatic normal avg fuel consumption and everything else
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 - 5 amps at 12v is only 60 watts. Electrolysis machines are 80% efficient so that gives you 48 potential watts of HHO. But the combustion engine is only 30% efficient at best, so it would give you 14.4 watts which is 0.019 horsepower. That is meaningless. If you wanted to generate 120 crank horsepower out of a combustion engine via electrolysis, you would need to start with nearly 400,000 watts (33,333 amps at 12v). Where's that going to come from? Not from on board.
proaudiohd 7 months ago
@proaudiohd on board what ? you cant finish a sentance like that mate after all the times youve been going on at me about my english/typing skills. see its not nice is it with the character limit on the comments box like i said before not all cars have the same horsepower or fuel consumption some cars are automatic therefore use more fuel then manuals use less so what you written down there doesnt bear any truth youve got to take all the factors into consideration i did say 5 amps less or more
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 - Dude we are talking about cars.. So where do you think I mean? on board the potato? It does not matter what kind of car, it does not matter what kind of electrolysis machine you use, it will never work to run a car with on-board electrolysis because water is not a fuel. Cracking it into HHO only yields as much energy as was expended in the electrolysis. That energy has to come from somewhere, and 5 amps of solar isnt going to cut it. You'd need 33,333 amps for a small car.
proaudiohd 7 months ago
well the proof is in the pudding ''dude''
greyandme2 7 months ago
@proaudiohd where exactly are you getting these mesurments from
greyandme2 6 months ago
@greyandme2 - Also, if you are getting your electricity from some magical massive solar panels, or a battery that was charged from the grid, making hydrogen is a complete waste of time. It is far more efficient to put that electricity directly into an electric motor driving the wheels. Water is not a fuel, and making hydrogen from water on-board a car is a process that consumes energy, instead of generating energy. If you still don't get it, then I have some rocket shoes to sell you.
proaudiohd 7 months ago
@proaudiohd magical. whoa there horsee whoa. or a battery that was charged from the grid first of all i said a solar panel on top of the car should charge the spare li ion battery you can get them pretty light in weight with more energy out put then standard lead acid batterys nowadays but i also said to keep the existing lead battery as you might still need that to start the engine normally ? and yes even there getting more effiecient
greyandme2 7 months ago
@proaudiohd you still there
greyandme2 7 months ago
I have, so Fuck You!
911truthseekers 2 years ago
your all idiots look at one of the states in america hydrogen powered cars so shut up...
123456789jew 2 years ago
Really? You know nothing about hydrogen. Hydrogen burn at a very high temperature, about 6000degrees. The hydrogem engine are special made, these piston are design for hrydrogen. Any engine that you try to run on hydrogen ,will be like puting gas into a deisel engine...It will burn a hole in the pistons. HHO is a scam!
OverUnityNow1 2 years ago
actually hydrogen reaction with H2O is controlled by adding another element so the electrons arnt let lose causing extreme temperatures and look up the toyota clarity chum hydrogen power SMD FOOOL
123456789jew 2 years ago
its very hard to runa car entirely off water.
but to get an mpg increase is simple enough.
its less so the HHO by itself that does it.
its HHO in conjunction with water vapour
hho increase burn tempreture but lowers fuel octane, water mist increase fuel octane but lowers burn temp
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
It's a scam.
These ads labeled as "Scams" are scams.
Stay in school and say no to pseudoscience.
davidsd 2 years ago 4