the Leaf is just way too conventional. it is extremely heavy and they even have a lead acid starter battery in in which really symbolizes how thoughtless the engineering was in terms of efficiency.
you might think that doesn't really matter but you'd be wrong. it matters to the price. the heavier and more wasteful the more battery it needs which in turn means it needs to be even heavier etc.
so like the Volt it is very suboptimal. you could hope they do better next time but they wont..
@BenjaminNelson try not to take criticism of the Leaf personally. don't identify with it. it's not your savior. it's a half first effort by one of the automakers who fought against EVs.
it's not a big car and it weighs over 1700kg. you could take many old ICE cars that we know are built with complete indifference to efficiency and give it better range than the Leaf and it would weigh less.
it would cost less as well. Audi A2 weighed 895kg including junk
when designing the electronics it's a bit easier if you have an auxiliary 12V battery to flip the relay with when you first start the car. but even if you want that it should not be a lead battery and certainly not a large one.
just on sheer principle there should be no lead battery in a modern EV.
yet they all have one. iMiev too iirc. and the Volt.
@DanFrederiksen Now that I think about it, I can see where the standard car electronics, like the radio, airbags, lighting, brake controllers and maybe even electric power steering (like my Escape), just might need 12VDC..
I guess they need something that can provide good amperage and is very reliable..
Since, you will still need a good power supply if your main EV battery goes belly up at 65 MPH..
How do they keep it charged up? Ah, the little solar panel??
@Xringer EVs have socalled DCDC eletronics that produce 12V from the main pack. you can have a 12V aux battery but it can be a tiny lithium pack. like 4 A123 26650 cells. 2.3Ah. never lead acid
@DanFrederiksen LOL! Maybe they were looking at cost.. Lead acid is simple to charge too.
Plus, they can take a beating and last for many years. My home LED lighting is running off an old 1999 Honda CRV battery. My wife runs it down a bit every night and a little 5w PV charges it right back up the next sunny day.
Haha, "Socalled DCDC".. That's right, since it's actually DCACDC.. :)
Looks Good, but the one thing I wonder about, is how easy will it be to have the batteries replaced every 7 years or so, and how long will the electric motors go for before they typically need replacing? I really want an electric vehicle where I can come home, quickly swap out the battery packs for ones I had charging, & off I go again. Something that slides in and out on a rail, in the bottom of the car to make it part of the chassis design, and give it a nice low center of gravity.
It looks like the batteries connect to the frame of the car up under the bottom. When it does come time to replace them, I don't think it's very complicated.
The battery comes with a 8-year, 100,000 mile warranty.
The SL version comes with the DC fast charge port, making a 30 minute charge possible (although only at special fast charge equipment locations.)
@BenjaminNelson If more work places begin installing recharge facilities and encouraging workers to go electric, it be beneficial for the freshness of the air quality in large cities. Which would be the way to go. if you're only going 50km to work, recharging at work, then going back home again. Think how quiet the streets could be if most cars going into the heart of the city were EV's. If we can achieve this, in all the cities of the world, then we will have reached a new level of evolution.
i am planing to convert VW Golf 3 to EV,with 12 12volt Lead Acid Batteries 100 Amps and i'm wondering what the top speed would be and the range ?
daswada9 2 months ago
@daswada9
I added a link to an EV Calculator for you in the description of the video. Click "Show More" if you can't see it in the description.
BenjaminNelson 2 months ago
@BenjaminNelson thank you!
daswada9 2 months ago
I'd put a spare in there, those tire repair kits are a pain in the tukus.
thatguyontheright1 5 months ago
"Product Specialist", yeah right - a fancy B.S. name for a salesman.
hoppes9 6 months ago
the Leaf is just way too conventional. it is extremely heavy and they even have a lead acid starter battery in in which really symbolizes how thoughtless the engineering was in terms of efficiency.
you might think that doesn't really matter but you'd be wrong. it matters to the price. the heavier and more wasteful the more battery it needs which in turn means it needs to be even heavier etc.
so like the Volt it is very suboptimal. you could hope they do better next time but they wont..
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen
I would say that nothing is perfect, but as long as we continue to improve, at least we are going the right direction.
If you have built your own electric car, that is far superior to the Leaf, please share some information about it.
BenjaminNelson 6 months ago
@BenjaminNelson try not to take criticism of the Leaf personally. don't identify with it. it's not your savior. it's a half first effort by one of the automakers who fought against EVs.
it's not a big car and it weighs over 1700kg. you could take many old ICE cars that we know are built with complete indifference to efficiency and give it better range than the Leaf and it would weigh less.
it would cost less as well. Audi A2 weighed 895kg including junk
we are not done demanding better from them
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@BenjaminNelson Why would someone be stupid enough to share information with a corporate car company without them paying? It's your job.
stiffyschlong 1 month ago
@DanFrederiksen If it's an EV, why does it need a "lead acid starter battery"?? What's it going to start?
Xringer 6 months ago
@Xringer indeed. but it has one.
when designing the electronics it's a bit easier if you have an auxiliary 12V battery to flip the relay with when you first start the car. but even if you want that it should not be a lead battery and certainly not a large one.
just on sheer principle there should be no lead battery in a modern EV.
yet they all have one. iMiev too iirc. and the Volt.
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen Now that I think about it, I can see where the standard car electronics, like the radio, airbags, lighting, brake controllers and maybe even electric power steering (like my Escape), just might need 12VDC..
I guess they need something that can provide good amperage and is very reliable..
Since, you will still need a good power supply if your main EV battery goes belly up at 65 MPH..
How do they keep it charged up? Ah, the little solar panel??
Xringer 6 months ago
@Xringer EVs have socalled DCDC eletronics that produce 12V from the main pack. you can have a 12V aux battery but it can be a tiny lithium pack. like 4 A123 26650 cells. 2.3Ah. never lead acid
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen LOL! Maybe they were looking at cost.. Lead acid is simple to charge too.
Plus, they can take a beating and last for many years. My home LED lighting is running off an old 1999 Honda CRV battery. My wife runs it down a bit every night and a little 5w PV charges it right back up the next sunny day.
Haha, "Socalled DCDC".. That's right, since it's actually DCACDC.. :)
Xringer 6 months ago
@Xringer The electronics of the car, such as the relay that enables the battery.
shadowmastertx 5 months ago
Looks Good, but the one thing I wonder about, is how easy will it be to have the batteries replaced every 7 years or so, and how long will the electric motors go for before they typically need replacing? I really want an electric vehicle where I can come home, quickly swap out the battery packs for ones I had charging, & off I go again. Something that slides in and out on a rail, in the bottom of the car to make it part of the chassis design, and give it a nice low center of gravity.
pathosbedlam 6 months ago
@pathosbedlam
It looks like the batteries connect to the frame of the car up under the bottom. When it does come time to replace them, I don't think it's very complicated.
The battery comes with a 8-year, 100,000 mile warranty.
The SL version comes with the DC fast charge port, making a 30 minute charge possible (although only at special fast charge equipment locations.)
BenjaminNelson 6 months ago
@BenjaminNelson If more work places begin installing recharge facilities and encouraging workers to go electric, it be beneficial for the freshness of the air quality in large cities. Which would be the way to go. if you're only going 50km to work, recharging at work, then going back home again. Think how quiet the streets could be if most cars going into the heart of the city were EV's. If we can achieve this, in all the cities of the world, then we will have reached a new level of evolution.
pathosbedlam 6 months ago
Seems like a really great car!
OfficialRandomgames 6 months ago