The one you call the true god exists but is not as you believe "him" to be god isnt the creator of the universe he simply observed it and many others before it. "he" didnt create man and humans look nothing like him he isnt controlling anything man made up these fables about god to make themselves feel better and just cause god exists that does not mean evolution does not and vice versa
Um... if we taught about God in schools we wouldn't have Separation of Chruch and State. And to what you said about kids being scared to share their religious views in schools, I would never tell one of my teachers that I am athiest because I would probably be discriminated against since they talk about God in school(and yes, I attend a public high school).
If you look further into the stories their is much referense for the ufo phenomena. I am not saying that this is the truth but I do feel the info must be looked into. I personally believe that their are other forms of life that did live with us at one time. Ex. Who were the giants?
To be honest, and with my own autonomy ("Free-will") and bias, I have came to the conclusion that: God is a construct of the collaborative collective of the human brain. Social contract from one point of view, the one that I accept dictates that it is the duty of the sovereign to fend for the safety of the public. This is also a Lockean view...you know what, I'll just type this on my profile page, if you are interested in hearing my ideas, you should check it out.
Saying God was created makes absolutely no sense. Because if God was created than what created what created God?
With that kind of thinking you either going into an infinite loop of Gods creating Gods creating Gods... or you have a MegaGod creating all the Gods. With the latter, if you can think that then how could you not think that maybe there's just God who always existed and created everything?
Open you mind, the book told me to look!...watch it again, you my freind have to learn to think for yourself, and not just give some general comment your heard from someone else. please I pray that you get real, and relook at what you we're told is fact...God bless your adventure..
Because ALL books are written by men (and women). Maybe you can't prove God exists with a book because men wrote the Bible (which is true. But who's the author?) then how can you say any other book written by a human is any more true? What books have you read? Were they written by people? They probably weren't written by monkeys, right?
Do you believe those books. If so, why do you believe them? How do you know THOSE books aren't lying to you?
lol the bible has alot of true stories in it but they have ALL been twisted to tell there story most of them had nothing to do with god until those assholes changed them so they said what they wanted them to say. and no you shouldnt just believe whats in books you need to find out for yourself never trust anyone
On the beginning video of GODFIGHT, regardless of whether heaven or hell is real, its not going to be taught in schools, because the stick up their ass religious parents. They are the ones who keep it out of school. Everyone should be able to make their own choices regarding religion. Decent argument though, you didn't say that us evolutionists were dead wrong and going to burn.
"Everyone should be able to make their own choices regarding religion" so would you agree that everyone should make up their own mind regarding the origins of man too? that would be free thought after all.
England, is so more advanced then us American assholes, can't wait until my mind is reduced to just spewing insults, smoking fags, getting drunk at my local, and living on the dole. with out the hope of God, you simply die long before they bury you.
Evolutionary evidence is not lacking, the only people I have ever heard say that show under further examination that they are truly ignorant as to the theory of evolution.
Facts are not something you can conveniently choose not to believe. Evolution is a very observable fact. Species evolve over time to create entirely new species.
No Sorry, your just repeating what you were told in School, Evolution, has never been obsevered, DNA has proven it impossible, because it can't cross over..if it is 2% differant, it will always be moving away from the other Species...
"DNA has proven it impossible"? If evolution has been "proven" to be impossible then why would biologists continue to waste their time studying something that has been proven not to be possible. Apparently you are much more knowledgeable on the subject than people who have actually gone to school and got a degree on the subject. Maybe you should call up Richard Dawkins and tell him to stop wasting his time studying evolution because it is impossible.
They continue to teach,study and write books because evoluion is a religion. A theory added to a theory is a "beleif structure" Beleif stuctures are what make up a religion. In order to keep the faith going the theory of "punctuated equilibrium' was added. Which is a nonprovable theory that evolutionist put their faith in...
No, evolution is not a religion it is a fact which has been proven by means of scientific research and observation. Creationism is a religion because most of its claims such as the world was created in seven days and the six billion people on this planet can all trace their descendants to only two people six thousand years ago haven't any scientific evidence backing it up and therefore these ideas are founded on nothing more than blind faith.
I will admit the Theory of Evolution is just a theory that unlike creationism happens to have an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting it. However I thought we were talking about Evolution not the Theory of Evolution. Evolution states that species evolve overtime to create new species. This is an indisputable fact so there is no sense in arguing it.
I took the following text out of an article on Wikipedia titled "Evolution as Theory and Fact." "In species that rapidly reproduce, for example fruit flies, the process of evolutionary change has been observed in the laboratory.[17][18] The observation of fruit fly populations changing character is also an example of a "fact", using the scientific meaning of the word "fact". So evolution is a "fact", at least using the scientific meaning of the word "fact".
We haven't been talking "Micro evolution" We have been talking about "Macro evolution" I thought you knew the differance, I'm not disbutting Micro, it's Macro that has no proof...
The idea that all God's are equal, is not logical, the fact that Christ rose from the dead is the kicker...those who witnessed it were so impacted that they all claimed it unto their own death...would you die for a lie?
The idea that all gods are equal is only an illogical concept because the idea that any gods exist is illogical. The idea that a man could rise from the dead or that a virgin could give birth are illogical concepts as well. In fact any idea that requires a supernatural explanation or some kind of divine intervention is illogical. I've never met a religious person who has used the word logical in their arguement as to why I should join their particular cult.
"Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical [pope puis XII "humani generis" 1950], new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis... The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory."
a clear papal admission that evolution is real and bible stories of creation are fairytales.
Ok,first off, monkeys did not evolve into people, both monkies and people have evolved differently from the same organism a long while back. The reason people hold belief in god is because that's what they're told first by people they trust.
Your arguement for why christianity is right seems to be that things exist. Lots of religions have reasons why things exist, why are they wrong?
Many people later in life come to beleive in God, through the spiritual weight of Sin, not the lodgical Evolution/Creation debate, The debate will go on for ever, because they are both faith based world veiws.
What you have to remember is that science does not immediatly have all of the answers, it has not found the answer to the universe. But that is no reason why it should be discredited. As far as evolution theory is concerned, to the best of the scientists knowledge it is true. Intelligent design has been disproven, so at the current time it should not be in the schools and evoltion theory should.
I'm open minded, for about 140 years man kind has been looking for the missing link, They continue to lift up fussils that end up being proven to be something else. So with that track record, I don't hold out any hope that they ever will. "Intelligent design has been disproven" You say this, but is this true?
It was disproven in the court case in USA a couple of years back. You'll have to look at the details of the case but the IT people claimed that a small creature of some sort could not have evolved becuase if you remove any one of its part it would not work, they claimed. The scientists managed to prove that it could.
You say that missing links are still missing. What about: Homo heidelbergensis, the most direct ancestor of both modern humans and Neanderthals, or H. mauritanicus, H. ergaster. I would suggest reading the evolution article in the March 19, 2007 Newsweek. It seems very realistic that proto-humans made mistakes, died out, had fits and starts, changed a trait, changed back, evolved the new trait again.
"Starting with the first discovery of a fossil suggesting that a different sort of human once lived on this planet, our species' genealogy was inferred from stones and bones.
But now two new storytellers have begun speaking: DNA and brains. By analyzing the DNA of today's humans as well as chimps and other species (even lice), scientists are zeroing in on turning points in evolution such as when and how language and speech developed, and when our ancestors left Africa." March 19, 2007 Newsweek.
I have to agree with you on that point, sir. You know why , because you already got BRAINWASHED by your religion not to believe in evolution, eventhough all the scientists in this planet showing you the evidence. Come to my school, where i deal with kids who came brainwashed.
"all the scientists in this planet"? After Mount St. Helen blew up in 1980..hundrens of scientists join the Creation world view. Most the time lines from evolution, were proven to be way to long. Take away time and evolution can't uccure. Go ahead I dare you to study this, its just a google seach away! or check out Dr. Hugh Ross, Dr. Rick Oliver, and Dr.Micheal Behe...Open your mind THINK for yourself, You've been lied to...
Sir, you are kidding yourself. One of your proclaimed scientist was Kent Hovind, and you know what kind of person is he. The number of those who believe in creation are very small. You said you are a Christian, and I can't believe that you are lying about those numbers?
Wow, heavy! 100+ years ago they said God is dead, But he still lives because he has written on our hearts. step back, and try to look simply at what you see around you...One of the huble telascope scienist's Hoss Ross became a Christian through his telascope...
The universe around me is what made me an atheist. The vast scope and scale of everything is far too large for everyone to grasp. But some do (Sagan, Hawking). It is just not sane once you realize how big the universe is that this one mudball holds Gods "most prefered creation". It is just hubris completely off the scale.
I could make the same point and just say that it is far to big for it to happen by chance, I'll be posting a new vid call "What is truth", I think you'll get a kick out of it...
please, just once i'd like to hear a christian argue that god exists without referring to the bible. just one fucking time. i'm begging, shit, i'll even pray for this hahahaha just kidding. but honestly. i'm not saying it's impossible to convince people that god exists without a holy book to reference, but it does make it a lot more compelling of an argument when you have something more than your magical book with all the answers hidden away in ambiguous language.
Suckshit, Good to hear from you again, in this vid clip I use mainly the one verse that says it's "Plain to see" this idea is simple and has been used by most all people groups for their basis in making up where we came from...made up worldveiws that that have a creator / intellegent designer / mother earth ETC all feed off this concept of its plain to see.
The Bible dosn't say whole whole lot about the exsistance of God, it spends much more time pointing mankind to Jesus the son of God, so by faith the Bible gives us God and his Son, its a faith thing, I know you don't like faith, but like it or not that's the way it is....
Evolution has millions of pieces of evidence for it, 200,000 peer reviewed papers, and not a single fact against it. Intelligent Design has zero evidence, only speculation. If you think evolution has been disproved, then you obviously don't know what evolution is.
Evolution..not a single fact against it. Please! the theory continully changes to combat all the holes in it. Do you beleive in "punctuated equilibrium" Its a theory to help out evolution's lack of proof, its a theory on top of a theory, which makes evolution a religion.
Ok I'll bite...since your fishing for a response... refuted refuted refuted of course it's been refuted, this is the age of refute, all opinions are equal, no authority to drtermine anything, just opinion... So just one thing, why don't you point out just one of these rebutles, to see if it is logical...Thats fair don't you think, any one can disbute anything, but is it factual, that's the issue...thanks
Anyone interested to see how Behe's claims fare in the hands of scientists should Google 'Behe's Empty Box'. The fact is many of the things he thinks cannot in principle be explained have already been explained. I myself have posted a video showing that even his hand-picked example of the mousetrap is reducible in complexity. Check it out!
i hope i don't come across as someone who preaches and will never change even in the face of overwhelming evidence. that's not what i am. it's going to take something substantial to make me believe that the universe is designed though. i will not take it on faith...
Suckshit, sorry to hear that you have set up an unrealistic box for God to fit into, you do many other things by faith, have you ever been sick? You get sick, then you go and buy medicine most of the time without thinking about it because the Doctor said it will heal you and you believe it. That is faith...
Suckshit, Jesus over and over after he would heel someone, he would say "your faith has heeled you"...the Bible teaches about faith, defines it, and offers it to us because God already gave us free will, so with your free will you shut the door on faith...
Your heart will grow hard & cold, You'll die, face Judgement, You'll be found guilty of breaking God's commandments, without the blood atonment of Jesus, God will cast you out...I really don't want you to go to Hell...I've grown found of you...Bob
you've got it wrong again. prove to me that god is real and that he gave me free will and then you'll have something. do you expect me to take it on faith that god not only exists but he gave me free will too. please.
come on now, that's so different. i'll believe the doctor is PROBABLY right because he has a medical degree and he determines what is causing my illness with tests and subscribes medication that will combat my illness in a way that can be proven. i'm not gonna take someone's word as truth when they say god exists because they talk to him or whatever. it's just not gonna happen.
has this guy read a single book on the god subject other than the bible. philosophy has answers. there aren't many arguments against god (not that god could ever be disproved) but the ones for god are very flawed. i've done high level work in philosophy and still have no problem doubting the existence of god. it seems to me that most of the other philosophers (if i can call us that) i know feel the same way i do too.
Suckshit, I quote "other philosophers i know feel the same way i do" to pursue the truth you must THINK...not feel, feelings are not a reliable source to determine facts or truth... So this high level of work you speak of can it be put into words or is it just a feeling?
of course it's more than a feeling. by "feel" i meant that they have come to similar conclusions to mine. i say what i say based on way more than just feelings. to answer your question, yes the work i do can be put into words, but not in five hundred characters. we basically pick apart the arguments piece by piece to see what assumptions are made in the premises and are not argued for. that's only one technique though.
Suckshit, Cool, so try this one, I'm sure you've heard it before, A street preacher Named Ray Comfort uses it all the time...you see a building, but not the builder, you know by reason that all buildings have builders, like wise the world with its complexity must of had a maker..this is such an obvious assumption that, to many people, its just simply the way it is.
there are lots of possible answers, none of which i claim to be a complete denial of your argument: 1) the universe became the way it is be gradual degrees. 2) the state of our universe is in fact highly improbable but only if we suppose that it's the only universe that ever existed or does exist now 3)false analogy: the apparent design of the universe could be only in our heads... there are plenty of debatable arguments either way. it's fun to explore them
All this talk about philosophy... Let me guess Suckshit that you would not invoke Plato in this discussion. Look at Plato's Republic... the proper ordering of the soul... the foundation of natural law (that objective truth can be realized through observation of nature). These are fundamental base philosophical ideals that point toward Christ.
i've never understand the leap one takes from "the universe must be caused or designed" to "jesus christ is my savior". i'm sure that believers have some series of steps they go through in between, but it seems like a shakey bridge...
Suckshit, Good glad to see we're having fun, so many Athiests are so angry you just can't talk to them any more. 1)"gradual degrees"(Time)by adding time to something that is just plan improbable will not make it probable...Hugh Ross one of the Hubble scientist switched his veiw from Evolution to I.D. because the mathmatical probabilities became to large to accept.
2)adding more universes doesn't challenge the Logic at all.
Suckshit,3)In our heads?..you got me there, but I find that kind of reasoning a bit foolish, having reality your own way just doesn't work in the tangible world we face everyday, if it did why all the suffering? or is this pain I see around me just in my head? I do enjoy exploring new Ideas, but if they do not cut it I cast them out as false, its not that I'm closed minded on the subject, its that I'm tough minded and have no use for ideas that lead people away from the Love of God..
psychological studies show that human brains tend to see order where there is none and we also fill in gaps. a picture can be shown with a substantial amount of its lines missing but the brain interprets it as complete. and sure it seems like everything in nature "works" (that's a hard word to define in this context, and i believe it's begging the question by implying a designer) but we don't see all the failures because they're dead haha. it really is a little funny.
If you do go to a creationist site, follow that up by visiting Talk Origins. Everything you will find on a creationist site is thoroughly debunked on Talk Origins. My best advice is to not even use the web. Go to your local library or a bookstore as books cover things in much more detail.
If I could make a suggestion. If you want to talk about something, first do some research to see if what you think is backed up by some evidence. Whatever you do, do not read anything from a creationist site. They are full of half-truths, misinterpretations, outright lies, etc. Try something like Wikipedia which is very neutral.
When you were talking about the earth, you said absurb what "he" has made. Well, think about this. In your bedroom , look around. You will realize everything was man-made. Your bed, chair, tv, cd collection, closet. All of those were not created by god, they created by man. Man created the idea of god.
Rancidgood....interesting name, if we evoled, why would we create God? be real, don't you find the concept of us comming from nothing more unbeleivible, then being created by God....my bed was design, my chair designed, and my TV was designed and I'm not sure how it even works...
humans are curious and we look for answers, it's in our nature. primitive humans wondered about things and were not smart enough to come up with answers so they said god did a lot of things. we now have the real answers for things like rainfall and plant growth, so god hides in the small gaps that remain in our minds. and why do you think that being an evolutionist and/or an atheist means that a person thinks we came from nothing. i don't claim to know where the universe came from.
Even if evolution were wrong (which if it were, science would discover and self-correct), it would only mean evolution was wrong. It wouldn't automatically mean notions of gods are correct. Also evolution AND notions of god could be true (as many educated Christians believe).
Regarding our origins, up until Darwin there was one concept of where we came from...God, Darwin gave us the second option..to this date there is only 2 options, so if not evolution then ..God
Evolution/Darwin does not tell us how life began. And there are infinite possibilities for how life the universe and everything came about... its not even limited by our imaginations because there are possibilities we might not even imagine yet. If you have some personality issue where you feel you MUST have an answer then choose one (and accept that you're likely wrong). But I'm satisfied with the honest truth which is that we just don't know for sure yet.
Where are you getting your information from? What you say is just not true. Darwin didn't come up with Evolution. Search for Jean-Baptiste Lamarck as just one example. What Darwin did was come up with Natural Selection to explain WHY evolution happens.
omgzz0r.. ok heres what,.. Its better to atleast try to find an answer (even though humans never will cause were too dumb) like scientists do than do what the christians do which is make up a stupid story about a talking snake who eats an apple and they go onboard in a ship with a bunch of animals and actually believe in it.its just as dumb as scientology and the alien story. lets face it people well never find out.. the answer isnt in a microscope nor in a bible or scroll written by idiots
um... if you'd done you research instead of relying on creationist propoganda you'd realise two things. Firstly that in science a theory is as good as it gets. Nothing has ever or will ever 'graduate' from being a theory to being a fact in the scientific context. In laman's terms the word 'fact' is a good equivalent to use in place of the scientific term 'theory'. In science a theory is much more than I can explain in 500 chars.
In science a theory is something that unites the facts in a coherent and logical way. Evolution is a theory that logicaly unites the facts about life, for example genetic common ancestors, similar bone structures in species varients seperated by geological time, environment adaptations etc etc, the lost is endless. Only one theiry thus far has joined the dots without using magic, and thats evolution.
Evolution is a fact. The scientific community takes evolution as true as much as it takes gravity as true. Do some research and you will find out.
You argument is flawed. The fact that the universe is complex does not necessarily mean there is a designer. It is just an assertion. How do you reach that conclusion?
evolution is not a fact. the only facts in science are evidence. evolution is a theory, but most fucking people are too stupid to understand what a scientific theory is. a theory is an explanation and at the moment it appears to be true. for fuck's sake, gravity is a theory too. calling something a theory is in no way a claim about how true it is.
The one you call the true god exists but is not as you believe "him" to be god isnt the creator of the universe he simply observed it and many others before it. "he" didnt create man and humans look nothing like him he isnt controlling anything man made up these fables about god to make themselves feel better and just cause god exists that does not mean evolution does not and vice versa
oldnotweak 2 years ago
Um... if we taught about God in schools we wouldn't have Separation of Chruch and State. And to what you said about kids being scared to share their religious views in schools, I would never tell one of my teachers that I am athiest because I would probably be discriminated against since they talk about God in school(and yes, I attend a public high school).
katietherunner 4 years ago
Too bad, you had a cool look with the hat.
the420winner 4 years ago
Can somebody please answer these questions for me? I've kind of been wondering:
Does anyone have a theory about where exactly God came from? What created him?
Also, where did satan come from?
I'm sure there's an explanation for this somewhere in the Bible. please let me know :)
cowsandcavys 4 years ago
If you look further into the stories their is much referense for the ufo phenomena. I am not saying that this is the truth but I do feel the info must be looked into. I personally believe that their are other forms of life that did live with us at one time. Ex. Who were the giants?
Howboutthinking 4 years ago
To be honest, and with my own autonomy ("Free-will") and bias, I have came to the conclusion that: God is a construct of the collaborative collective of the human brain. Social contract from one point of view, the one that I accept dictates that it is the duty of the sovereign to fend for the safety of the public. This is also a Lockean view...you know what, I'll just type this on my profile page, if you are interested in hearing my ideas, you should check it out.
everennui 4 years ago
If God was created
God wouldn't be God.
Saying God was created makes absolutely no sense. Because if God was created than what created what created God?
With that kind of thinking you either going into an infinite loop of Gods creating Gods creating Gods... or you have a MegaGod creating all the Gods. With the latter, if you can think that then how could you not think that maybe there's just God who always existed and created everything?
Where did satan come from?
God created satan.
mrsticky005 3 years ago
You really can't use a book to prove God exits.
Typical Christian Response, "have faith in this book written by men, it tells us that there is a god."
pagliajoseph 4 years ago
Open you mind, the book told me to look!...watch it again, you my freind have to learn to think for yourself, and not just give some general comment your heard from someone else. please I pray that you get real, and relook at what you we're told is fact...God bless your adventure..
truth4U2C 4 years ago
So then we shouldn't believe ANY book, right?
Because ALL books are written by men (and women). Maybe you can't prove God exists with a book because men wrote the Bible (which is true. But who's the author?) then how can you say any other book written by a human is any more true? What books have you read? Were they written by people? They probably weren't written by monkeys, right?
Do you believe those books. If so, why do you believe them? How do you know THOSE books aren't lying to you?
mrsticky005 3 years ago
lol the bible has alot of true stories in it but they have ALL been twisted to tell there story most of them had nothing to do with god until those assholes changed them so they said what they wanted them to say. and no you shouldnt just believe whats in books you need to find out for yourself never trust anyone
oldnotweak 2 years ago
On the beginning video of GODFIGHT, regardless of whether heaven or hell is real, its not going to be taught in schools, because the stick up their ass religious parents. They are the ones who keep it out of school. Everyone should be able to make their own choices regarding religion. Decent argument though, you didn't say that us evolutionists were dead wrong and going to burn.
Rirurume 4 years ago
"Everyone should be able to make their own choices regarding religion" so would you agree that everyone should make up their own mind regarding the origins of man too? that would be free thought after all.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Its funny how nobody in england actually doubts this because we are not as religiously insane as you assholes.
w00dw0rm 4 years ago
England, is so more advanced then us American assholes, can't wait until my mind is reduced to just spewing insults, smoking fags, getting drunk at my local, and living on the dole. with out the hope of God, you simply die long before they bury you.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Evolutionary evidence is not lacking, the only people I have ever heard say that show under further examination that they are truly ignorant as to the theory of evolution.
macman13 4 years ago
Facts are not something you can conveniently choose not to believe. Evolution is a very observable fact. Species evolve over time to create entirely new species.
WereAllDevo72 4 years ago
No Sorry, your just repeating what you were told in School, Evolution, has never been obsevered, DNA has proven it impossible, because it can't cross over..if it is 2% differant, it will always be moving away from the other Species...
truth4U2C 4 years ago
"DNA has proven it impossible"? If evolution has been "proven" to be impossible then why would biologists continue to waste their time studying something that has been proven not to be possible. Apparently you are much more knowledgeable on the subject than people who have actually gone to school and got a degree on the subject. Maybe you should call up Richard Dawkins and tell him to stop wasting his time studying evolution because it is impossible.
WereAllDevo72 4 years ago
They continue to teach,study and write books because evoluion is a religion. A theory added to a theory is a "beleif structure" Beleif stuctures are what make up a religion. In order to keep the faith going the theory of "punctuated equilibrium' was added. Which is a nonprovable theory that evolutionist put their faith in...
truth4U2C 4 years ago
No, evolution is not a religion it is a fact which has been proven by means of scientific research and observation. Creationism is a religion because most of its claims such as the world was created in seven days and the six billion people on this planet can all trace their descendants to only two people six thousand years ago haven't any scientific evidence backing it up and therefore these ideas are founded on nothing more than blind faith.
WereAllDevo72 4 years ago
I will admit the Theory of Evolution is just a theory that unlike creationism happens to have an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting it. However I thought we were talking about Evolution not the Theory of Evolution. Evolution states that species evolve overtime to create new species. This is an indisputable fact so there is no sense in arguing it.
WereAllDevo72 4 years ago
I took the following text out of an article on Wikipedia titled "Evolution as Theory and Fact." "In species that rapidly reproduce, for example fruit flies, the process of evolutionary change has been observed in the laboratory.[17][18] The observation of fruit fly populations changing character is also an example of a "fact", using the scientific meaning of the word "fact". So evolution is a "fact", at least using the scientific meaning of the word "fact".
WereAllDevo72 4 years ago
We haven't been talking "Micro evolution" We have been talking about "Macro evolution" I thought you knew the differance, I'm not disbutting Micro, it's Macro that has no proof...
truth4U2C 4 years ago
theres no difference, evolution is just that, evolution.
tranqfx 4 years ago
oh and why dont we teach the intelligent falling theory in schools?
tranqfx 4 years ago
Come on, at least try learn! "Micro" adaptations inside a species, "Macro" Monkey to man, Cool! you just learn something
truth4U2C 4 years ago
The idea that all God's are equal, is not logical, the fact that Christ rose from the dead is the kicker...those who witnessed it were so impacted that they all claimed it unto their own death...would you die for a lie?
truth4U2C 4 years ago
The idea that all gods are equal is only an illogical concept because the idea that any gods exist is illogical. The idea that a man could rise from the dead or that a virgin could give birth are illogical concepts as well. In fact any idea that requires a supernatural explanation or some kind of divine intervention is illogical. I've never met a religious person who has used the word logical in their arguement as to why I should join their particular cult.
WereAllDevo72 4 years ago
1996 Pope John Paul II:
"Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical [pope puis XII "humani generis" 1950], new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis... The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory."
a clear papal admission that evolution is real and bible stories of creation are fairytales.
lordsovereign 4 years ago
Not suprizing, The Pope more Polictical then Spritual...
TheMomTube 4 years ago
I'm a theist and I think evolution is logical.
BlueFireWitch 4 years ago
97139+ fossil species described and 2 of them were deliberate hoaxes....LOL
Archosaur 4 years ago
Does anyone else think that he looks like Robin Williams? Just a little?
crawst91 5 years ago
All my life!! back in High school they called me Mork sometimes....
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Ok,first off, monkeys did not evolve into people, both monkies and people have evolved differently from the same organism a long while back. The reason people hold belief in god is because that's what they're told first by people they trust.
Your arguement for why christianity is right seems to be that things exist. Lots of religions have reasons why things exist, why are they wrong?
AtheistDefence 5 years ago
Many people later in life come to beleive in God, through the spiritual weight of Sin, not the lodgical Evolution/Creation debate, The debate will go on for ever, because they are both faith based world veiws.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
What you have to remember is that science does not immediatly have all of the answers, it has not found the answer to the universe. But that is no reason why it should be discredited. As far as evolution theory is concerned, to the best of the scientists knowledge it is true. Intelligent design has been disproven, so at the current time it should not be in the schools and evoltion theory should.
moggoon 5 years ago
I'm open minded, for about 140 years man kind has been looking for the missing link, They continue to lift up fussils that end up being proven to be something else. So with that track record, I don't hold out any hope that they ever will. "Intelligent design has been disproven" You say this, but is this true?
truth4U2C 5 years ago
It was disproven in the court case in USA a couple of years back. You'll have to look at the details of the case but the IT people claimed that a small creature of some sort could not have evolved becuase if you remove any one of its part it would not work, they claimed. The scientists managed to prove that it could.
moggoon 5 years ago
Court Case? that's Good Science... The Case you refer to has to do with Tax dollars going towards the teaching of ID, not the validity
truth4U2C 5 years ago
You say that missing links are still missing. What about: Homo heidelbergensis, the most direct ancestor of both modern humans and Neanderthals, or H. mauritanicus, H. ergaster. I would suggest reading the evolution article in the March 19, 2007 Newsweek. It seems very realistic that proto-humans made mistakes, died out, had fits and starts, changed a trait, changed back, evolved the new trait again.
crawst91 5 years ago
"Starting with the first discovery of a fossil suggesting that a different sort of human once lived on this planet, our species' genealogy was inferred from stones and bones.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
But now two new storytellers have begun speaking: DNA and brains. By analyzing the DNA of today's humans as well as chimps and other species (even lice), scientists are zeroing in on turning points in evolution such as when and how language and speech developed, and when our ancestors left Africa." March 19, 2007 Newsweek.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
"Suggesting" "Zeroing in" "two new storytellers" These are all terms that reveil that the facts have yet to show up...
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Check out the video I posted called "what is truth" from that you will see that how we look at the world determines our conclusion.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Go back to your ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!!!!
stormguy110 5 years ago
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!!!! Why to get re-brain washed by the evolutionary religion that they teach in school?
truth4U2C 5 years ago
I have to agree with you on that point, sir. You know why , because you already got BRAINWASHED by your religion not to believe in evolution, eventhough all the scientists in this planet showing you the evidence. Come to my school, where i deal with kids who came brainwashed.
stormguy110 5 years ago
"all the scientists in this planet"? After Mount St. Helen blew up in 1980..hundrens of scientists join the Creation world view. Most the time lines from evolution, were proven to be way to long. Take away time and evolution can't uccure. Go ahead I dare you to study this, its just a google seach away! or check out Dr. Hugh Ross, Dr. Rick Oliver, and Dr.Micheal Behe...Open your mind THINK for yourself, You've been lied to...
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Sir, you are kidding yourself. One of your proclaimed scientist was Kent Hovind, and you know what kind of person is he. The number of those who believe in creation are very small. You said you are a Christian, and I can't believe that you are lying about those numbers?
stormguy110 5 years ago
Do you See Kent Hovind in the list above? So your afraid to think...Mount St.Helens was 27 years ago, so yea I stand by my claim 100's of Scientists
I'll e-mail you some info please take time to learn, open you mind up....
truth4U2C 5 years ago
2000+ years ago god was evident because they had no clue what caused rain, earthquakes, seasons, sickness..pretty much everything was a mystery.
Today for God to be evident, you have to use an electron microscope.
Tomorrow God won't be evident anywhere as we unlock the mystery of conciousness itself.
And evolution is real, it actually happened. It continues to happen all around us.
sorienor 5 years ago
Wow, heavy! 100+ years ago they said God is dead, But he still lives because he has written on our hearts. step back, and try to look simply at what you see around you...One of the huble telascope scienist's Hoss Ross became a Christian through his telascope...
truth4U2C 5 years ago
The universe around me is what made me an atheist. The vast scope and scale of everything is far too large for everyone to grasp. But some do (Sagan, Hawking). It is just not sane once you realize how big the universe is that this one mudball holds Gods "most prefered creation". It is just hubris completely off the scale.
sorienor 5 years ago
I could make the same point and just say that it is far to big for it to happen by chance, I'll be posting a new vid call "What is truth", I think you'll get a kick out of it...
truth4U2C 5 years ago
please, just once i'd like to hear a christian argue that god exists without referring to the bible. just one fucking time. i'm begging, shit, i'll even pray for this hahahaha just kidding. but honestly. i'm not saying it's impossible to convince people that god exists without a holy book to reference, but it does make it a lot more compelling of an argument when you have something more than your magical book with all the answers hidden away in ambiguous language.
suckshit 5 years ago
Suckshit, Good to hear from you again, in this vid clip I use mainly the one verse that says it's "Plain to see" this idea is simple and has been used by most all people groups for their basis in making up where we came from...made up worldveiws that that have a creator / intellegent designer / mother earth ETC all feed off this concept of its plain to see.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
The Bible dosn't say whole whole lot about the exsistance of God, it spends much more time pointing mankind to Jesus the son of God, so by faith the Bible gives us God and his Son, its a faith thing, I know you don't like faith, but like it or not that's the way it is....
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Evolution has millions of pieces of evidence for it, 200,000 peer reviewed papers, and not a single fact against it. Intelligent Design has zero evidence, only speculation. If you think evolution has been disproved, then you obviously don't know what evolution is.
ResonantFrequency 5 years ago
Evolution..not a single fact against it. Please! the theory continully changes to combat all the holes in it. Do you beleive in "punctuated equilibrium" Its a theory to help out evolution's lack of proof, its a theory on top of a theory, which makes evolution a religion.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
No one has yet shown there is anything in nature that is irreducibly complex. Behe has been refuted so many times it's not even funny any more.
proudfootz 5 years ago
Ok I'll bite...since your fishing for a response... refuted refuted refuted of course it's been refuted, this is the age of refute, all opinions are equal, no authority to drtermine anything, just opinion... So just one thing, why don't you point out just one of these rebutles, to see if it is logical...Thats fair don't you think, any one can disbute anything, but is it factual, that's the issue...thanks
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Anyone interested to see how Behe's claims fare in the hands of scientists should Google 'Behe's Empty Box'. The fact is many of the things he thinks cannot in principle be explained have already been explained. I myself have posted a video showing that even his hand-picked example of the mousetrap is reducible in complexity. Check it out!
proudfootz 5 years ago
i hope i don't come across as someone who preaches and will never change even in the face of overwhelming evidence. that's not what i am. it's going to take something substantial to make me believe that the universe is designed though. i will not take it on faith...
suckshit 5 years ago
Suckshit, sorry to hear that you have set up an unrealistic box for God to fit into, you do many other things by faith, have you ever been sick? You get sick, then you go and buy medicine most of the time without thinking about it because the Doctor said it will heal you and you believe it. That is faith...
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Suckshit, Jesus over and over after he would heel someone, he would say "your faith has heeled you"...the Bible teaches about faith, defines it, and offers it to us because God already gave us free will, so with your free will you shut the door on faith...
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Your heart will grow hard & cold, You'll die, face Judgement, You'll be found guilty of breaking God's commandments, without the blood atonment of Jesus, God will cast you out...I really don't want you to go to Hell...I've grown found of you...Bob
truth4U2C 5 years ago
you've got it wrong again. prove to me that god is real and that he gave me free will and then you'll have something. do you expect me to take it on faith that god not only exists but he gave me free will too. please.
suckshit 5 years ago
come on now, that's so different. i'll believe the doctor is PROBABLY right because he has a medical degree and he determines what is causing my illness with tests and subscribes medication that will combat my illness in a way that can be proven. i'm not gonna take someone's word as truth when they say god exists because they talk to him or whatever. it's just not gonna happen.
suckshit 5 years ago
has this guy read a single book on the god subject other than the bible. philosophy has answers. there aren't many arguments against god (not that god could ever be disproved) but the ones for god are very flawed. i've done high level work in philosophy and still have no problem doubting the existence of god. it seems to me that most of the other philosophers (if i can call us that) i know feel the same way i do too.
suckshit 5 years ago
Suckshit, I quote "other philosophers i know feel the same way i do" to pursue the truth you must THINK...not feel, feelings are not a reliable source to determine facts or truth... So this high level of work you speak of can it be put into words or is it just a feeling?
truth4U2C 5 years ago
of course it's more than a feeling. by "feel" i meant that they have come to similar conclusions to mine. i say what i say based on way more than just feelings. to answer your question, yes the work i do can be put into words, but not in five hundred characters. we basically pick apart the arguments piece by piece to see what assumptions are made in the premises and are not argued for. that's only one technique though.
suckshit 5 years ago
Suckshit, Cool, so try this one, I'm sure you've heard it before, A street preacher Named Ray Comfort uses it all the time...you see a building, but not the builder, you know by reason that all buildings have builders, like wise the world with its complexity must of had a maker..this is such an obvious assumption that, to many people, its just simply the way it is.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
there are lots of possible answers, none of which i claim to be a complete denial of your argument: 1) the universe became the way it is be gradual degrees. 2) the state of our universe is in fact highly improbable but only if we suppose that it's the only universe that ever existed or does exist now 3)false analogy: the apparent design of the universe could be only in our heads... there are plenty of debatable arguments either way. it's fun to explore them
suckshit 5 years ago
All this talk about philosophy... Let me guess Suckshit that you would not invoke Plato in this discussion. Look at Plato's Republic... the proper ordering of the soul... the foundation of natural law (that objective truth can be realized through observation of nature). These are fundamental base philosophical ideals that point toward Christ.
mdmrtgn 5 years ago
i've never understand the leap one takes from "the universe must be caused or designed" to "jesus christ is my savior". i'm sure that believers have some series of steps they go through in between, but it seems like a shakey bridge...
suckshit 5 years ago
Suckshit, Good glad to see we're having fun, so many Athiests are so angry you just can't talk to them any more. 1)"gradual degrees"(Time)by adding time to something that is just plan improbable will not make it probable...Hugh Ross one of the Hubble scientist switched his veiw from Evolution to I.D. because the mathmatical probabilities became to large to accept.
2)adding more universes doesn't challenge the Logic at all.
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Suckshit,3)In our heads?..you got me there, but I find that kind of reasoning a bit foolish, having reality your own way just doesn't work in the tangible world we face everyday, if it did why all the suffering? or is this pain I see around me just in my head? I do enjoy exploring new Ideas, but if they do not cut it I cast them out as false, its not that I'm closed minded on the subject, its that I'm tough minded and have no use for ideas that lead people away from the Love of God..
truth4U2C 5 years ago
psychological studies show that human brains tend to see order where there is none and we also fill in gaps. a picture can be shown with a substantial amount of its lines missing but the brain interprets it as complete. and sure it seems like everything in nature "works" (that's a hard word to define in this context, and i believe it's begging the question by implying a designer) but we don't see all the failures because they're dead haha. it really is a little funny.
suckshit 5 years ago
"by adding time to something that is just plan improbable will not make it probable"
yes it does..
Roll 1 thousand dices. What are the odds that it would all land on all 5s? Not very likely..
Now give them an infinite amount of time, and a thousand more hands of thousand more dices. Now.. one set of thousand WILL land all 5s EVENTUALY..
thefakeyeti 5 years ago
If you do go to a creationist site, follow that up by visiting Talk Origins. Everything you will find on a creationist site is thoroughly debunked on Talk Origins. My best advice is to not even use the web. Go to your local library or a bookstore as books cover things in much more detail.
constust 5 years ago
If I could make a suggestion. If you want to talk about something, first do some research to see if what you think is backed up by some evidence. Whatever you do, do not read anything from a creationist site. They are full of half-truths, misinterpretations, outright lies, etc. Try something like Wikipedia which is very neutral.
constust 5 years ago
When you were talking about the earth, you said absurb what "he" has made. Well, think about this. In your bedroom , look around. You will realize everything was man-made. Your bed, chair, tv, cd collection, closet. All of those were not created by god, they created by man. Man created the idea of god.
rancidgood 5 years ago
Rancidgood....interesting name, if we evoled, why would we create God? be real, don't you find the concept of us comming from nothing more unbeleivible, then being created by God....my bed was design, my chair designed, and my TV was designed and I'm not sure how it even works...
truth4U2C 5 years ago
humans are curious and we look for answers, it's in our nature. primitive humans wondered about things and were not smart enough to come up with answers so they said god did a lot of things. we now have the real answers for things like rainfall and plant growth, so god hides in the small gaps that remain in our minds. and why do you think that being an evolutionist and/or an atheist means that a person thinks we came from nothing. i don't claim to know where the universe came from.
suckshit 5 years ago
Even if evolution were wrong (which if it were, science would discover and self-correct), it would only mean evolution was wrong. It wouldn't automatically mean notions of gods are correct. Also evolution AND notions of god could be true (as many educated Christians believe).
MystryBox 5 years ago
Regarding our origins, up until Darwin there was one concept of where we came from...God, Darwin gave us the second option..to this date there is only 2 options, so if not evolution then ..God
truth4U2C 5 years ago
Evolution/Darwin does not tell us how life began. And there are infinite possibilities for how life the universe and everything came about... its not even limited by our imaginations because there are possibilities we might not even imagine yet. If you have some personality issue where you feel you MUST have an answer then choose one (and accept that you're likely wrong). But I'm satisfied with the honest truth which is that we just don't know for sure yet.
MystryBox 5 years ago
Where are you getting your information from? What you say is just not true. Darwin didn't come up with Evolution. Search for Jean-Baptiste Lamarck as just one example. What Darwin did was come up with Natural Selection to explain WHY evolution happens.
constust 5 years ago
There were still skeptics of "God"..Couldnt there be skeptics for god AND evolution?
Couldn't a third option come about? I couldn't possibly say waht the third option would be, like predarwin people didn't think of evolution..
thefakeyeti 5 years ago
Your reasoning is questionable, unfounded and delusional IMHO.
Katalyzt 5 years ago
You have my attention, I don't want to be delusional, What is your counter point, if I'm not being unreasonable?
truth4U2C 5 years ago
omgzz0r.. ok heres what,.. Its better to atleast try to find an answer (even though humans never will cause were too dumb) like scientists do than do what the christians do which is make up a stupid story about a talking snake who eats an apple and they go onboard in a ship with a bunch of animals and actually believe in it.its just as dumb as scientology and the alien story. lets face it people well never find out.. the answer isnt in a microscope nor in a bible or scroll written by idiots
fettskraag 5 years ago
evolution is not a fact, it's a theory. you should do some research.
furio477 5 years ago
um... if you'd done you research instead of relying on creationist propoganda you'd realise two things. Firstly that in science a theory is as good as it gets. Nothing has ever or will ever 'graduate' from being a theory to being a fact in the scientific context. In laman's terms the word 'fact' is a good equivalent to use in place of the scientific term 'theory'. In science a theory is much more than I can explain in 500 chars.
2LegHumanist 5 years ago
In science a theory is something that unites the facts in a coherent and logical way. Evolution is a theory that logicaly unites the facts about life, for example genetic common ancestors, similar bone structures in species varients seperated by geological time, environment adaptations etc etc, the lost is endless. Only one theiry thus far has joined the dots without using magic, and thats evolution.
motile 5 years ago
Oops, plenty of typos there, that should have been "list" and "theory".
motile 5 years ago
Thanx. bless you!
holyfiregermany 5 years ago
Evolution is a fact. The scientific community takes evolution as true as much as it takes gravity as true. Do some research and you will find out.
You argument is flawed. The fact that the universe is complex does not necessarily mean there is a designer. It is just an assertion. How do you reach that conclusion?
It is nothing more than wishful thinking.
QuadrivialMind 5 years ago
evolution is not a fact. the only facts in science are evidence. evolution is a theory, but most fucking people are too stupid to understand what a scientific theory is. a theory is an explanation and at the moment it appears to be true. for fuck's sake, gravity is a theory too. calling something a theory is in no way a claim about how true it is.
suckshit 5 years ago