I can strongly tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps especially being a pc gamer, I love watching videos in 600hz because it looks so realistic and smooth!! Do some research before posting cr*p lol
I have a 600 Hz plasma, but the screen is being refreshed 60 times per second to reduce flicker. Only reason I went with plasma over LCD was because plasma doesn't have motion blur. Motion blur reduction has to do with the response time (1 microsecond, versus LCD's 2 millisecond or so).
As I see it, FPS and the refresh rate are two seperate things. If a movie comes in 24 frames of 29.97 frames per second that's one thing. And the refresh rate just says how often that frame is recreated. Or am I understanding the terms wrongly?
If I am correct, doesn't it in fact diminish motion blur that is the result of the 'old' frame still being seen even though the new screen is already up?
If the TV is capable of calculating the distance that a moving object such as a ball moves between one frame and the next then in theory it could extrapolate positions for more frames and create them to smooth out the movement of the ball between transmitted frames. Panasonic claim that their 600HZ sub field drive does something along these lines, they call it inteligent frame creation. If in fact they do create extra frames, the argument about 25-30 frames per second falls flat on its face.
The whole 600Hz bullshit is to make the less knowledgeable consumer believe that "the higher the number, the better", which is not the case. Its all about researching the TV you want to buy and carefully analyzing its specifications that it has to offer. A 60Hz LCD set with a good response time 42 inches and under should work very fluidly without any issues. 240Hz and 480Hz on LCD or LED technology is marketing BS!
600Hz is not an equivalent measurement of refresh rate, but it's a sub-field drive figure. Even though only 60 frames are displayed per second by the Plasma TV, the near instantaneous transition between frames drastically minimizes motion blur. While the subfield drive terminology is a bit misleading, as each frame is not being updated 600 times a second,it still portrays the inherent advantage of Plasma TVs when it comes to fast moving content due to its near instantaneous pixel response times.
Wow this guy is dumb. He has never watched a Blueray or anything in HD, yes its true if your watching regular TV it will not matter, but regular tv is not what a HD TV is for, its for HD VIEWING. I love people like this idiot who spew out shit that he knows nothing about and tries to make himself look smart. Good job dude, for missing the whole point of HD TV, BTW you need to relax a little, your going to have a heart attack if you keep getting so frustrated over things your dont understand.
@TheMob1080 I don't necessarily agree with what he said in the video, but you're also incredibly misinformed. Blu rays are still `24/25 or 30 fps. Even video games are 60fps at most. Creating a TV that can do higher than 60hz is only useful in creating one that can do all of those frame rates just as well. 600hz is way higher than necessary for that. So, in actuality, you're just as dumb, if not dumber than he is.
Moron. It makes no difference what the frequency of the broadcast is. The TV refreshes 600 times per second and interpolates between images to create the images that are missing. Try to understand what that means and when you do you will be ashamed of your silly little rant.
dude, are you an asshole. Do a little more research you retard. 600 hz is the refresh rate and it DOES make a difference. You are just a retard that is talking out of his ass. Again, do some research and get a haircut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@MrJbrebel56 Why is it always the asshole who starts calling people assholes? Perhaps you should pay a little more attention and scream less? I never said it made no difference at all. All I say is that it won't magically fix motion blur because motion blur has nothing to do with refresh rates and everything to do with the source material.
@Magnulus meeen just watch a blue ray video in a 60hz led tv and watch it again in a 200hz led tv and tell that there is not difference . . . . . then if its not difference for you then there is something wrong in the way u brain its proccesing images . . . . just watch it by yourself u will se the difference (hopefully) byeee
A TV with high refresh rates will not magically fix motion blur in the "source material" or original footage, if you prefer that phrasing. A TV could have a Million Hz refresh rate (plasma OR LCD) and it wouldn't make a difference to motion blur. It can eliminate GHOSTING but that's not what the advert's photo suggests.
Also, thanks for latching on to one bad phrasing. English is my second language so I'm a bit off sometimes. How good's your Norwegian?
@khangu262 depends what you are looking at hz is how many flashes the screen makes a second, ie if it has a 120hz it only flashes 120hz times per second meaning you will see a limited amount of frames per second. Assuming you are going into a target out of a ghetto they will play a bluray movie on their tv's showing 120+ fps meaning that 600hz will be far superior.
not think it's bullshit, every time I saw side by side in a dark room plasma panasonic plasma came and full hd 600 hz lg vs LCDs and LEDs, the plasma always won easily, the movements are soft and very real, plasmas have better motion resolution, fact is, the LCD and LED has low resoluion motion.
120 Hz, 240 Hz, 600 Hz... they do not refer to the source!
The source is at best 60 Hz, even when playing games. Instead, the Hz number refers to image processing interpolation between frames.
On LCD, because pixel response is so piss poor, the interpolation helps establish pixels will have enough time to fade from bright to dark between frames.
Plasma has a phenomenal pixel response rate, so the interpolation is used to improve clarity, rather than make up for display inferiority.
The HZ is in referene to flicker rate in CRT tube monitors, as the firing speed of the RGB guns have variable presets on resolution defaults. Safe levels for preventing siezures & nausea is 75HZ. Its probably best to be safe & have 120Hz for high rez. But it may not even apply to LCD/Plasma screens. The 600Hz can be used for parts in microlevitation. This could expand anti-gravity at 1012Hz. Next we will be shot with UV from our TV's, as a tanning at home promotional App. More EM radiation.
I've heard it said that the 600hz claim by plasma makers was response to LCD manufacturer's claims of 120 and 240hz. Both lies. I do appreciate this new technology though, the judder on my monitor when things are passing by in games is crazy and i think the immersion would get a boost if its looked the way it does in real life, smooth.
It's not for the television programs, its for movies which are 24Hz and video games. The higher the Hz rating on the tv, once you get past probably 60Hz and up to 120Hz or 240Hz, there will be no ghosting and also smoother motion in movies with lots of action. Also, 3d looks better on tv's with 240 -600Hz than on the minimum 120Hz.
ok ass take 10" crt over to my house and we can watch some black and white and yes it may be the best 480 lines you will ever see. then we watch a movie on my 55 panasonic plasma. it is called mojo pall. i am sure you had a starbucks today just because they called it coffee!!!!!!
your eyes cant see more then 120hz so the extra 480hz is useless unless your a fly. it doesn't mater about your fps, that all counts on your graphics and how strong your computer or console is. usually ps3 games run at 60fps and now that they have 3dtv's they need to add a extra 60fps so it doesn't lag, to have 3d you have to give up HD graphics. so 120fps. so you can see a 3d picture.
@903harman That is not at all true. PS3 games run from 24-30 fps at any time and will rarely get up to 60 FPS if ever, maybe 40fps. Also, 3D doesn't have to do with the FPS of the game or movie, because the tv and blu-ray player is what makes the 3d possible. It splits the video up into five or more 24hz sectors to display in 3d once you put on glasses, which is why 3d looks like multiple images without glasses on.
@GoldenMurderer Dont bullshit me!, stop being a fucking pc fanboy, i own a pc and a ps3 im not going to discriminate against either of them. call of duty modern warfare 2 ran at 50-60fps on the ps3. when i checked.
its not video, Its a video game it requires way more then a mere 20-30fps to run such complex games and geometry and so many things going on at the same time. and 3d does require more fps, the game would lag without it. im talking about a game not a tv, 3D requires double framerate.
@903harman what the fuck are you talking about? pc fanboy? I not once mentioned pc on that comment and also the games do not run at 50-60fps regardless of the game. PS3 has a frame lock at 40fps to conserve energy and prevent the system not over heat. The PS3 runs all games with uncompressed textures making it almost impossible for the games to reach passed 40fps with the chipset being used. And also to make my self blatantly clear, I said the games fps does not matter for 3d in my last comment.
@GoldenMurderer well im sorry about that, but on my fat 60gb ps3 i once looked at the fps. it showed 50-60fps.
and if the ps3 cant handle double the framerate then 3d would lag and it wouldnt look like it is coming out of the screen. you have to give up HD texture quality for 3d.
@903harman How do you check for FPS in a PS3? And by the way, COD are one of the very few games that run at 60FPS, so PS3 games don't usually run at that framerate, it's very rare
@GoldenMurderer It puts out 4 signals of 720p or 1080i for 3d running at 24-30ish fps each, but you need an HDMI cable to do this because it 4 signals at 1080i would be the same amount of transfer data as a 4kx2k resolution transfer, which is the limits of the HDMI cable. The tv then takes those four signals and turns them into 4 sectors to give you the feel of 3d, but most games in 3d as of now wont look like movies because of the amount of data streaming, unless you do this on a pc.
600Hz is good for some games, I have a gaming PC, and in old games you do get up to 1500FPS, but in the most recent ones 150FPS is pretty much the most I can get with 60 being the average....
Very true jonidimo, however, this interpolation of frames is based on the frames that are being displayed both before and after in order to reduce blur. If I use this analogy : if you were to record someone on a swing, going back and forth, a 50hz Tv will record the swing at the start of the movement, then somewhere in the middle and finally at the end of the swing. In reality, there is far more movement to this image isn't there? So a 100hz tv takes the first frame (at the start of the swing)
The simple fact is that 600hz tv's refer to something called a sub-field drive. The sub-field drive affects how a plasma tv maintains it's picture brightness! IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PICTURE REFRESH RATE! Plasma tv's use the sub-field drive because all plasma tv's have an inherent problem when maintaining brightness. Plasma is based on a gas which is ignited to then ultimately give you your red, green and blue colours which make up the picture. The problem is that this process
From what I understand, these TVs use software to interpolate ( make up ) either 1 frame-(120hz TVs) or 2 frames-(240hz) BETWEEN every two real frames. These interpolated frames suposedly display transitional positions of moving objects between the two real frames... thus smoothing motion. I had a Loewe Aconda which would display motion so smoothly it looked like a live performance... later I found out it wa 100hz. Current Loewes interpolate 7 ( SEVEN! ) frames between every two real ones!
The people who like to bash 600 hz TVs are those that do not have one. I have LCD & Plasma, I watch Football on my Plasma for obvious reasons. The blacks are true blacks on Plasmas, and not on LCDs. The colors are richer on my Plasma and not on my LCD. When I watch football games between an LCD of any hz versus my 600 hz plasma I see major rastering and artifacts on the LCDs, not so on my Plasma with nothing but smooth images.
@1988scottcarey You will be waiting a long time because current consoles go for the 60 fps as a baseline goal set by developers, and since the human eye can only see 60 frames per second, 1200 frames is just a novelty factor just a little yellow number you would see with fraps that's about it.
They say it's 600hz, and what they mean by that is 600hz SUB-FIELD drivers. Panasonic's TV refreshes the 10 bit sub field drivers at 60 times a second, which comes out as 600hz sub-field, and yes, it improves motion and clarity.
I still have my old fashioned 28 inch, 4:3 Samsung tv because all the lcd tv's I see in my friends houses or showrooms are terrible..looks like I'm watching a poor quality video tape.
The only time I am amazed with lcd is viewing something on a Blu-ray.
I have heard plasma have little motion blur but are catching up on CRT, so until they do, they can keep their beautiful looking thin tv's, as to me..only the picture matters.
Looks like the Panasonic TXP42G20B plasma is leading the range.
refrech rate (hz) and frames per seconds (fps) are two different things buddy....
yes you are right the standard tv signal streams to your house at 60hz but what the 120hz or higher technology does is it adds pictures between each picture to make it look clearer...
i do agree on one thing tho, these companies just try to rip you off on anything
Stop mocking the guy, he's right! I've never thought of it that way.. Of course 600 hz wouldn't be 600 hz. And even on a Console, you wouldn't always get over 20 FPS.
this dood is right, even if you have a "600hz" tv which i doubt exists in the sense we are all thinking of hz, video, is video, 25 or 30fps would be the equivalent of 25 or 30hz, google ppl, google, hz tv fps just google it. For laymen terms, hz and fps are directly translatable when it comes to tv's, and i dont expect to see any 600 fps movies.
Well sure, the 600hz (plasma) aint the biggest diff from 200hz(LCD) cause its different hz....
Well, these 600hz plasmas aint really a sham, cause its actually some of the best TVs you can get (for a reasonable price). The 600hz is kind of a commercial trick, but can you blame em, when the picture is astonishing and the price is reasonable?
Well... im getting a new G20 series in 2 weeks, after reading alot of reviews and watching it in real life
this video is fail. When they say 600Hz, it's not the same Hz as the LCDs has 100 or 200Hz of. It's something called sub-field drive or sumthing. look it up.
@DuudeWhatDoesMineSay youre damn right,this 600hz is reffering to smthing else than 100hz in lcds,its mostly for plasmas and companies kust giving larger and larger numbers to attract all the noobs out there.
i dont understand what you are trying to say. are you saying that 600Hz tv's are a sham for normal video streaming like cable?
would that also mean that you would say that a 60Hz tv would look as good as the identical 120Hz version as well?
if you are saying that, then you are an imbecile.
also the Hz refresh rate is the refresh of the individual "pixels" and how fast they can change colour and stuff like that. it has nothing to do with the FPS.
also, let's assume 600 hz was actually 600 hz. then the usage of that will not be for TV's or broadcasts, it will be for things like PS3,s and blueray, like this guy said.
saying it's a sham just b/c one appliaction does not apply.
The 600 Hz plasma I found today is perfect for gaming. True that it makes no difference from a regular50Hz when watching regular tv and most tvs support 1080p24 anyways (24 frames compatibility) for movies but for my pc, ps3 and 360 a 50Hz wont do the games any justice.
So Im ordering a Panasonic TXP42G20E today! Ive heard it is a great gaming screen as long as I im not letting images get burnprinted on it.
Please forgive me for the spelling I'm on my iPhone but 600hz plasma tv's (which by the way 600hz is only on plasma) does not reflect the refresh rate like in LCD it refers to 12 different processes that the tv's do to make the image look better things like sharpen edges and highlights textures. So it takes 50 frames and puts them through 12 proccessors. 12 times 50 is 600 so that's what it refers too. Plasma tv's are constantly refreshed.
your probably right about that it doesn't make a HUGE difference, but dispite that, the tv has everything else about what you where talking about at the end that you should look for in a tv.
LOL, the human eye can only detect 75 hz. framerate is completely different to refresh rate. you tard. and 600hz sub field drive is for reducing motion blur and ghosting by reducing the transition time between frames.
you look like the guy outta a beautiful mind and that stupid tennis film lol he was cool and sorry... already got a 600hz tv, came with it im afraid at the price of 699
flash forward with the high HZ tcs came out, they also die faster (and develop lines) this happens with the heat of the lamps are mixed the the very high temperature of the interlinking driver that connect the LCD panel (the actual glass) to the LCD driver board. I have not had any LED lit TVs cross my path with this issue yet but the interconnect still runs very hot. (nearly skin searing) this only happens on Tvs that have the obscenely high (yet dubious) refresh rate..
Sony don't do 600Hz! Only the plasma manaufacturers (Panasonic / Samsung / LG) bluff about it. But there is a vast difference between 50Hz and 100Hz/200Hz TVs on motion.Especially if it is using proper interpolation.
there is a astronomical difference on dvd, xbox, ps3, and blu-ray thats the whole point i have a plasma now and i used to have a samsung LCD 60hz and i love the 600hz plasmas. it had way better black levels also than most reg. LCD's
Off course there can be a doubt if you notice a difference. But this is why there is image processing to fit in pictures for a smooth interpolation. I have bought a basic plasma with 100Hz and no interpolation. It just doubles every picture and in the store you really notice a difference. Image gets smoother switching to 50Hz, but I guess shop owners wont do that because of the flickering. It would be interesting if there is a difference in smoothness to 600Hz.
the even funnier part is that your eyes can only register about 75hz. These 120hz tvs were being complained about because it was giving people headaches. 600hz will have you vomiting as your brain strains to process what it cant =)
600Hz is the refresh rate, not the FPS ..... Having multiple screen refreshes per broadcast frame helps remove the motion blur created by slow pixels, its not broadcast bluury.
Trust me I have a 600Hz TV and I've seen it side by side with a 200Hz TV of the same make, There IS a difference.
As I've understood it the point of having a 600 Hz TV is that it can display 24, 25, 50 & 60 fps material without having to resort to 3:2 pulldown and such. Think about it:
When I'm watching a 24 fps Bluray it shows every frame 25 times per second while if I hook up my 25 fps AVCHD camcorder it shows each frame 24 times and watching PAL material 12 times and NTSC 10 times per second.
Oh, and the thing you mention about it might be useful when playing a PS3 game - that's all wrong as the input refresh is still 60 Hz (which of course is perfectly fine).
600 Hz sub field drive is there to be able to handle various framerates - not make tennis games smoother.
This 600hz mecanism when fully activated makes everything look ridiculously realistic, especially on lcd sets. it's cancels that of "slowness" that makes a film "filmy" so to speak.
The higher the source's resolution is the more home made movie-like it looks.
LOL. plz dont buy a new iphone 4, buy a nokia 3310(p.s. one of the good basic phones i had) cuz u dont need new technology. all u need a CRT 12 inch monitor mate :)
@mymovievideos Not one cavity in 15 years, despite a coca-cola addiction in my teens. Not everyone can afford to bleach their teeth, my friend, and with age comes yellow teeth. Especially if you like coffee... Delicious, delicious coffee.
@mymovievideos Not one cavity in 15 years, despite a coca-cola addiction in my teens. Not everyone can afford to bleach their teeth, my friend, and with age comes yellow teeth. Especially if you like coffee... Delicious, delicious coffee.
Ok, i get the bottleneck thing, but if videos and movies were filmed with high speed cameras of maybe 300-600 fps, wouldn't that make the movies a lot more crisp?
So just so i have the RIGHT idea. Basically it wont make a difference on normal teles since its always at 25 to 30 frames per second right? BUT! on something like a Xbox360 or a PS3 then it will make a difference but 600 hertz would still be redundant?s so 120 hertz would be the max then for a gamer right?
hes right in what hes saying, but he's leavin out the fact that all the newer 100hz and 600hz tv's have dejudder technology, like motionplus or true motion, which makes things look ten times more fluid when the image is moving fast, so you could have a 60hz tv with motion plus next to a 100hz or 600hz tv and the 60hz tv with the motion tech will produce much smoother motion.
600hz is to remove the ghosting effect of fast moving action on the screen that all LCD's and Plasma's suffer from, a TV running at 600hz reduces the ms to virtualy zero, its not to remove blured effects that were present on the actual recording like your trying to say >.>
Nice video and i can see lots of argument on that 600Hz techonology...But if the manufactures are going to give us this technology for no addition expenses charged on the end user,I think then one thas to welcome it !
I get what your saying I can see your a little uniformed on some parts but yeah it is impassable to make blurred image clear by adding more Hz but it is better two have more that way there is no image retention or smear. but you are right on company's trying to trick ppl into thinking its going to make there sports look clearer than life.
100 and 200hz (PAL) LCD TVs double or quadruple the framerate by calculating the movement of objects and adding that extra frame in.
Panasonic's Neo PDP 600hz technology has nothing to do with frame rate. It's just how often they send a pulse of energy into their plasma bulbs lighting them up more frequently so you see less flashing or flickering.
It's misleading marketing, and the consumer watchdog should caution them on it.
Ok first off only film and not live tv is displayed at 24-30 fps. This gives it the cinematic element that you don't get in live feeds. Live feeds can be streamed at as high a frame rate as the camera can capture it. Sporting events such as the one in the ad are now more so than ever streamed much faster than 60hz simply for the new tv technoligies. The nfl has been doing this for a couple of years now.
It's not about seeing things clearer. 600Hx TVs won't make something clearer.
It will, however, be compatible with every major video standard. If the source is:
24Hz = displays the same frame 25 times
25Hz = 24 times
30Hz = 20 times
50Hz = 12 times
60Hz = 10 times
Which will reduce the motion blur cause by INTERPOLATING, but in essence will not change the image from what was originally recorded. Meaning a 24Hz movie will show 24 frames a second, 25 times each for a total of 600.
@ripcurl010 Had to put him down, can't have dogs in this flat. Funny, innit? He was so frightened of ghosts with clanking chains and what did him in was a dude with a syringe.
this guy has no clue about new technology!!!! The typical frame rate used in North America is 60 frames per second (60Hz) meaning that a TV would display 60 individual still images every second.
Except that the standard frame rate for video in the US is 30 fps. This is called the NTSC standard. In Europe, it's 25 fps, which is PAL. Hz doesn't always translate directly to FPS, buddy. What was it you were saying about clues and not having them?
Magnulus cod4 & mw2 is 60fps if you played with 30 fps it is blurred and there comes more games that support 60 fps so the 600hz is not bullshit and it don´t fool people it is important for gamers
600HZ is Bull Shit, but if you plan on using your TV as a monitor for an HTPC the higher Hz TV's will without a doubt perform much better due to having better processing ability to minimize input lag.. HDTV's actually suck in general for gaming vs CRT, or even flat screen LCD monitors in terms of lag..
@dougvip 60Hz means that you get 30 fps, TV is broadcasted in Interlaced, and this means it refreshes half the image in 1/60 of a second... Thus giving you 30fps... and not 60...
The 600Hz technology is totally obsolete... The highest any TV would need these days is 120Hz if you want to watch 3D movies with active shutter 3D glasses...
@dougvip 60Hz means that you get 30 fps, TV is broadcasted in Interlaced, and this means it refreshes half the image in 1/60 of a second... Thus giving you 30fps... and not 60...
The 600Hz technology is totally obsolete... The highest any TV would need these days is 120Hz if you want to watch 3D movies with active shutter 3D glasses...
Maybe you should do some research on motion blur. Response times of those 600hz subfield drive Panasonics are .001ms which leads to a full 1080p lines of moving resolution. The fastest LCDs even at 240hz can't do over 300-900 lines of resolution at 2-5ms. repsonse times.
The motion blur evident in the picture is clearly the kind that happens in the camera when the shutter speed is too slow to "freeze" an image. They're implying that their TVs can make blurred footage clear, which they can't. I say as much in the video. Yeah, there were some uninformed points I made in the video, but motion blur was not one of them.
Your title implies that 600hz tv's are a sham. I gave you the reason why it is not (faster response times/higher moving picture resolution) and why they are better than LCD. Plus you are just using an image out of an ad to say what they mean? Motion blur (Ghosting, Timing Drift, Temporal Jitter/Jutter, Pixelation) is an issue on fast moving object on LCD. Who is to say that isn't what the picture means?
PAL (there are different versions) is 25fps and refreshed at 50 fields per sec. This is to match the AC rate of 50hz in Europe. US AC rate is 60hz. The 25fps is shown (like the US) with even/odd fields. There are some places that has the PAL and are at 60hz rate. LCDs and Plasmas, and so forth, that have a high refresh rate(greater than 60) either display the same image more than once to fill in between frames, or interpolate the between frames.
The real scam is that the 600Hz in Pana plasmas is sub-field drive, used to generate colour shades. It has nothing to do with refresh rates (which are typically 50-120 like any other TV. And LCDs do have more blur (that wasn't in the source video) because of how they work. European TV is usually an effective 50 frames a second, not 25. Movies are 25 though. That's why sport or news programs should look smoother than a movie (but have less detail as half of each frame is interpolated by the TV)
Lets see if I can shed some light here. Film that you see in the theater is shown at 24fps, and video in 30fps (NTSC) and 25fps for PAL. Regular broadcast was shown at 30fps, first the odd lines, then the even lines, each done at 1/60th sec which combined to 30fps. Progressive would display both even/odd at the same time which is why it was better for motion. The average human eye can only see roughly 60fps. The 600hz takes each of the 1/60th frame and flashes it ten times.
That's a very good explanation of Hz and FPS, thank you. I must admit that when I made the video, I didn't think Plasmas were all that different from LCDs, so some of my details are pretty shaky. Of course, the main gist is the same: You can't make blurry footage look clear by some in-TV process. :)
Good thing I play a ton a first person shooters then, plasma here I come!
CJAdy 1 month ago
They do not transmit at 25 fps now that most countries use DVB-T... they would transmit at 25 fps if you lived in the 80's
Rrrrrrrriot 2 months ago
you looks like Dylan Klebold
metalvilla 3 months ago
Denis Leary?
DisturbedChild33 5 months ago
WELL ITS FOR VIDEO GAMES DIP SHIT
mrmrbeast4139 5 months ago
this mother fucker is one ugly ass maw fucka
haloreach7 5 months ago
he is right direct tv only gives video somany frames a second
divotf15 5 months ago
Zoinks!
earlmccormick88 6 months ago
it would work if you connect your pc to a 600hz tv. But then you have to have a video card good enough to make it 600 fps whilst playing a game.
hazcheezeburgerz 6 months ago
I can strongly tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps especially being a pc gamer, I love watching videos in 600hz because it looks so realistic and smooth!! Do some research before posting cr*p lol
Phoerocks 6 months ago
I have a 600 Hz plasma, but the screen is being refreshed 60 times per second to reduce flicker. Only reason I went with plasma over LCD was because plasma doesn't have motion blur. Motion blur reduction has to do with the response time (1 microsecond, versus LCD's 2 millisecond or so).
magnetite2 6 months ago
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magnetite2 6 months ago
You talk about a TV and show me only a magazine? Nuts!
ngoesprf 6 months ago
24 frames :D not 25
franky993 6 months ago
Well gee thank god I'm 13 and not trusted for fear of watching tv all night and only want a new tv for its resolution color and fps
TheDinosaur01 6 months ago
As I see it, FPS and the refresh rate are two seperate things. If a movie comes in 24 frames of 29.97 frames per second that's one thing. And the refresh rate just says how often that frame is recreated. Or am I understanding the terms wrongly?
If I am correct, doesn't it in fact diminish motion blur that is the result of the 'old' frame still being seen even though the new screen is already up?
TheMasterLifeforger 7 months ago
If the TV is capable of calculating the distance that a moving object such as a ball moves between one frame and the next then in theory it could extrapolate positions for more frames and create them to smooth out the movement of the ball between transmitted frames. Panasonic claim that their 600HZ sub field drive does something along these lines, they call it inteligent frame creation. If in fact they do create extra frames, the argument about 25-30 frames per second falls flat on its face.
cbcdesign001 7 months ago
sham WOW!!
AiDz0r 7 months ago
I get the feeling that you're angry.
deathborne25 7 months ago
fucking gay, 600hz is awsome.
alm96lan 7 months ago
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alm96lan 7 months ago
fucking gay 600hz is awsome
alm96lan 7 months ago
You don't know what ur talking about
Multi3runner 7 months ago
The whole 600Hz bullshit is to make the less knowledgeable consumer believe that "the higher the number, the better", which is not the case. Its all about researching the TV you want to buy and carefully analyzing its specifications that it has to offer. A 60Hz LCD set with a good response time 42 inches and under should work very fluidly without any issues. 240Hz and 480Hz on LCD or LED technology is marketing BS!
QUIKKSTAR 7 months ago
600Hz is not an equivalent measurement of refresh rate, but it's a sub-field drive figure. Even though only 60 frames are displayed per second by the Plasma TV, the near instantaneous transition between frames drastically minimizes motion blur. While the subfield drive terminology is a bit misleading, as each frame is not being updated 600 times a second,it still portrays the inherent advantage of Plasma TVs when it comes to fast moving content due to its near instantaneous pixel response times.
QUIKKSTAR 7 months ago
actually, 1080p is recorded natively at 60fps hence 600hz. ;)
miasmablk 7 months ago
Wow this guy is dumb. He has never watched a Blueray or anything in HD, yes its true if your watching regular TV it will not matter, but regular tv is not what a HD TV is for, its for HD VIEWING. I love people like this idiot who spew out shit that he knows nothing about and tries to make himself look smart. Good job dude, for missing the whole point of HD TV, BTW you need to relax a little, your going to have a heart attack if you keep getting so frustrated over things your dont understand.
TheMob1080 7 months ago 3
@TheMob1080 I don't necessarily agree with what he said in the video, but you're also incredibly misinformed. Blu rays are still `24/25 or 30 fps. Even video games are 60fps at most. Creating a TV that can do higher than 60hz is only useful in creating one that can do all of those frame rates just as well. 600hz is way higher than necessary for that. So, in actuality, you're just as dumb, if not dumber than he is.
lern2swim 2 weeks ago
Funny guy, but the best part is that he does not even have a clue about how ridiculous he is :D
JeanV1986 8 months ago
you beauty
1nvisiblek1d 8 months ago
Moron. It makes no difference what the frequency of the broadcast is. The TV refreshes 600 times per second and interpolates between images to create the images that are missing. Try to understand what that means and when you do you will be ashamed of your silly little rant.
akikoyyy 8 months ago
dude, are you an asshole. Do a little more research you retard. 600 hz is the refresh rate and it DOES make a difference. You are just a retard that is talking out of his ass. Again, do some research and get a haircut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrJbrebel56 8 months ago 5
@MrJbrebel56 Why is it always the asshole who starts calling people assholes? Perhaps you should pay a little more attention and scream less? I never said it made no difference at all. All I say is that it won't magically fix motion blur because motion blur has nothing to do with refresh rates and everything to do with the source material.
Magnulus 8 months ago
@Magnulus meeen just watch a blue ray video in a 60hz led tv and watch it again in a 200hz led tv and tell that there is not difference . . . . . then if its not difference for you then there is something wrong in the way u brain its proccesing images . . . . just watch it by yourself u will se the difference (hopefully) byeee
JChungp 6 months ago
@Magnulus bull shit
halo27legend 4 months ago
@Magnulus bull shit
halo27legend 4 months ago
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@Magnulus bull shit
halo27legend 4 months ago
@Magnulus Source material? You sir, are a fool. You should take this down, you make yourself look stupid. Ill enjoy though.
alexaiverson 2 months ago
@alexaiverson In what way exactly?
A TV with high refresh rates will not magically fix motion blur in the "source material" or original footage, if you prefer that phrasing. A TV could have a Million Hz refresh rate (plasma OR LCD) and it wouldn't make a difference to motion blur. It can eliminate GHOSTING but that's not what the advert's photo suggests.
Also, thanks for latching on to one bad phrasing. English is my second language so I'm a bit off sometimes. How good's your Norwegian?
Magnulus 2 months ago
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Eddyall1 1 month ago
@MrJbrebel56 hahaha funny shit
thedivekid78 5 months ago
@MrJbrebel56 e, go to target, take a look at the 600hz vs 120hz and see that the 120hz is better.
khangu262 2 months ago
@khangu262 depends what you are looking at hz is how many flashes the screen makes a second, ie if it has a 120hz it only flashes 120hz times per second meaning you will see a limited amount of frames per second. Assuming you are going into a target out of a ghetto they will play a bluray movie on their tv's showing 120+ fps meaning that 600hz will be far superior.
Rrrrrrrriot 2 months ago
@Rrrrrrrriot Wrong.
lern2swim 2 weeks ago
You need a TV with 600-460=240hz OR some SANITY
jjovereats 8 months ago
I like my 25fps :)
surferboy36O 9 months ago
not think it's bullshit, every time I saw side by side in a dark room plasma panasonic plasma came and full hd 600 hz lg vs LCDs and LEDs, the plasma always won easily, the movements are soft and very real, plasmas have better motion resolution, fact is, the LCD and LED has low resoluion motion.
TheFred128 9 months ago
lcd and led is a shit, plasma much better fact.
TheFred128 9 months ago
120 Hz, 240 Hz, 600 Hz... they do not refer to the source!
The source is at best 60 Hz, even when playing games. Instead, the Hz number refers to image processing interpolation between frames.
On LCD, because pixel response is so piss poor, the interpolation helps establish pixels will have enough time to fade from bright to dark between frames.
Plasma has a phenomenal pixel response rate, so the interpolation is used to improve clarity, rather than make up for display inferiority.
Kaldaien 9 months ago
why is my tv clearer then ? lol
TrueFacts777 10 months ago
The HZ is in referene to flicker rate in CRT tube monitors, as the firing speed of the RGB guns have variable presets on resolution defaults. Safe levels for preventing siezures & nausea is 75HZ. Its probably best to be safe & have 120Hz for high rez. But it may not even apply to LCD/Plasma screens. The 600Hz can be used for parts in microlevitation. This could expand anti-gravity at 1012Hz. Next we will be shot with UV from our TV's, as a tanning at home promotional App. More EM radiation.
LendMeYourHand 10 months ago
I've heard it said that the 600hz claim by plasma makers was response to LCD manufacturer's claims of 120 and 240hz. Both lies. I do appreciate this new technology though, the judder on my monitor when things are passing by in games is crazy and i think the immersion would get a boost if its looked the way it does in real life, smooth.
8Libertine8 10 months ago
It's not for the television programs, its for movies which are 24Hz and video games. The higher the Hz rating on the tv, once you get past probably 60Hz and up to 120Hz or 240Hz, there will be no ghosting and also smoother motion in movies with lots of action. Also, 3d looks better on tv's with 240 -600Hz than on the minimum 120Hz.
GoldenMurderer 10 months ago
ok ass take 10" crt over to my house and we can watch some black and white and yes it may be the best 480 lines you will ever see. then we watch a movie on my 55 panasonic plasma. it is called mojo pall. i am sure you had a starbucks today just because they called it coffee!!!!!!
memetoto 11 months ago
and if you live in Europe you need only 100hz since tv are 50hz.
903harman 11 months ago
your eyes cant see more then 120hz so the extra 480hz is useless unless your a fly. it doesn't mater about your fps, that all counts on your graphics and how strong your computer or console is. usually ps3 games run at 60fps and now that they have 3dtv's they need to add a extra 60fps so it doesn't lag, to have 3d you have to give up HD graphics. so 120fps. so you can see a 3d picture.
903harman 11 months ago
@903harman That is not at all true. PS3 games run from 24-30 fps at any time and will rarely get up to 60 FPS if ever, maybe 40fps. Also, 3D doesn't have to do with the FPS of the game or movie, because the tv and blu-ray player is what makes the 3d possible. It splits the video up into five or more 24hz sectors to display in 3d once you put on glasses, which is why 3d looks like multiple images without glasses on.
GoldenMurderer 10 months ago
@GoldenMurderer Dont bullshit me!, stop being a fucking pc fanboy, i own a pc and a ps3 im not going to discriminate against either of them. call of duty modern warfare 2 ran at 50-60fps on the ps3. when i checked.
its not video, Its a video game it requires way more then a mere 20-30fps to run such complex games and geometry and so many things going on at the same time. and 3d does require more fps, the game would lag without it. im talking about a game not a tv, 3D requires double framerate.
903harman 10 months ago
@903harman what the fuck are you talking about? pc fanboy? I not once mentioned pc on that comment and also the games do not run at 50-60fps regardless of the game. PS3 has a frame lock at 40fps to conserve energy and prevent the system not over heat. The PS3 runs all games with uncompressed textures making it almost impossible for the games to reach passed 40fps with the chipset being used. And also to make my self blatantly clear, I said the games fps does not matter for 3d in my last comment.
GoldenMurderer 10 months ago
@GoldenMurderer well im sorry about that, but on my fat 60gb ps3 i once looked at the fps. it showed 50-60fps.
and if the ps3 cant handle double the framerate then 3d would lag and it wouldnt look like it is coming out of the screen. you have to give up HD texture quality for 3d.
903harman 10 months ago
@903harman How do you check for FPS in a PS3? And by the way, COD are one of the very few games that run at 60FPS, so PS3 games don't usually run at that framerate, it's very rare
Platibus666 4 days ago
@GoldenMurderer It puts out 4 signals of 720p or 1080i for 3d running at 24-30ish fps each, but you need an HDMI cable to do this because it 4 signals at 1080i would be the same amount of transfer data as a 4kx2k resolution transfer, which is the limits of the HDMI cable. The tv then takes those four signals and turns them into 4 sectors to give you the feel of 3d, but most games in 3d as of now wont look like movies because of the amount of data streaming, unless you do this on a pc.
GoldenMurderer 10 months ago
600Hz is good for some games, I have a gaming PC, and in old games you do get up to 1500FPS, but in the most recent ones 150FPS is pretty much the most I can get with 60 being the average....
bjuszczak6 11 months ago
Very true jonidimo, however, this interpolation of frames is based on the frames that are being displayed both before and after in order to reduce blur. If I use this analogy : if you were to record someone on a swing, going back and forth, a 50hz Tv will record the swing at the start of the movement, then somewhere in the middle and finally at the end of the swing. In reality, there is far more movement to this image isn't there? So a 100hz tv takes the first frame (at the start of the swing)
protoolswizard 11 months ago
Ur like an english Dennis Leary lol.
bigboss25262 11 months ago
but the lcd of 120 and 240 hz add "motion interpolation" that's why it looks better the videos.
jonidimo 11 months ago
The simple fact is that 600hz tv's refer to something called a sub-field drive. The sub-field drive affects how a plasma tv maintains it's picture brightness! IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PICTURE REFRESH RATE! Plasma tv's use the sub-field drive because all plasma tv's have an inherent problem when maintaining brightness. Plasma is based on a gas which is ignited to then ultimately give you your red, green and blue colours which make up the picture. The problem is that this process
protoolswizard 11 months ago
And you are a sped
Didn't even watch the video just saw the pic of it ;)
712snowman712 1 year ago
This is almost as bad as the "quatron"
Not even a game console will break 60fps in 99% of situations.
TonkatrainHONKHONK 1 year ago
From what I understand, these TVs use software to interpolate ( make up ) either 1 frame-(120hz TVs) or 2 frames-(240hz) BETWEEN every two real frames. These interpolated frames suposedly display transitional positions of moving objects between the two real frames... thus smoothing motion. I had a Loewe Aconda which would display motion so smoothly it looked like a live performance... later I found out it wa 100hz. Current Loewes interpolate 7 ( SEVEN! ) frames between every two real ones!
Golgafrinchamdent 1 year ago
I like this guy ! Thumbs up !
Amin97m 1 year ago
The people who like to bash 600 hz TVs are those that do not have one. I have LCD & Plasma, I watch Football on my Plasma for obvious reasons. The blacks are true blacks on Plasmas, and not on LCDs. The colors are richer on my Plasma and not on my LCD. When I watch football games between an LCD of any hz versus my 600 hz plasma I see major rastering and artifacts on the LCDs, not so on my Plasma with nothing but smooth images.
texformer 1 year ago
i'll wait for a 1200hz for gaming of course on my computer
1988scottcarey 1 year ago
@1988scottcarey You will be waiting a long time because current consoles go for the 60 fps as a baseline goal set by developers, and since the human eye can only see 60 frames per second, 1200 frames is just a novelty factor just a little yellow number you would see with fraps that's about it.
H3LLSMAN 1 year ago
if im only gonna use my for gaming, is 600hz something for meh?
GhooztZ 1 year ago
well it wouldn't be the first time uninformed stupid people get fooled
ever heard of windows 7 performance bullshit, yes people windows xp is still faster then windows 7
labobo 1 year ago
yes i 100 agree!,plasma is bulshett
9bernini 1 year ago
@9bernini That's because you don't own one.
texformer 1 year ago
Dude, your are noob.
DaKaRusss 1 year ago
hes a strange one.
richard97761 1 year ago
if u suck in video games it doesnt matter wat tv u get ur still gonna suck...its the same shit
SanchezBoss209 1 year ago
hes right the only thing a 600 hertz changes is video games
RaNDomSnIPe29 1 year ago
Lol, I agree with this.
Seirei0417 1 year ago
To get 600Hz cleary you need a good TV with Filter like Natural Motion or Motion(exactly Motion Interpolation)
KnightRiderKARR 1 year ago
They say it's 600hz, and what they mean by that is 600hz SUB-FIELD drivers. Panasonic's TV refreshes the 10 bit sub field drivers at 60 times a second, which comes out as 600hz sub-field, and yes, it improves motion and clarity.
masteryummy 1 year ago 3
@masteryummy Atleast some one got it...
bluescan92 1 year ago
I still have my old fashioned 28 inch, 4:3 Samsung tv because all the lcd tv's I see in my friends houses or showrooms are terrible..looks like I'm watching a poor quality video tape.
The only time I am amazed with lcd is viewing something on a Blu-ray.
I have heard plasma have little motion blur but are catching up on CRT, so until they do, they can keep their beautiful looking thin tv's, as to me..only the picture matters.
Looks like the Panasonic TXP42G20B plasma is leading the range.
raymondlang 1 year ago
why did you stop making videos?
rubstah2010 1 year ago
refrech rate (hz) and frames per seconds (fps) are two different things buddy....
yes you are right the standard tv signal streams to your house at 60hz but what the 120hz or higher technology does is it adds pictures between each picture to make it look clearer...
i do agree on one thing tho, these companies just try to rip you off on anything
TheProphecyGaming 1 year ago
this guy has no idea what hes talking about'
brooklyncellblock 1 year ago
Stop mocking the guy, he's right! I've never thought of it that way.. Of course 600 hz wouldn't be 600 hz. And even on a Console, you wouldn't always get over 20 FPS.
nordemoniac 1 year ago
on a lighter note, painting your car red makes it go faster.
GiggleHz 1 year ago
this dood is right, even if you have a "600hz" tv which i doubt exists in the sense we are all thinking of hz, video, is video, 25 or 30fps would be the equivalent of 25 or 30hz, google ppl, google, hz tv fps just google it. For laymen terms, hz and fps are directly translatable when it comes to tv's, and i dont expect to see any 600 fps movies.
GiggleHz 1 year ago
I couldn't stop laughing when i saw this vid....
Well sure, the 600hz (plasma) aint the biggest diff from 200hz(LCD) cause its different hz....
Well, these 600hz plasmas aint really a sham, cause its actually some of the best TVs you can get (for a reasonable price). The 600hz is kind of a commercial trick, but can you blame em, when the picture is astonishing and the price is reasonable?
Well... im getting a new G20 series in 2 weeks, after reading alot of reviews and watching it in real life
AlexanderGolriz 1 year ago
@AlexanderGolriz
the G20 ist so amazing, i love this plasma! this black is the blackest black i ever saw on a tv (plasma / lcd)
mbh7711 1 year ago
i love the way he says "BULL SHIT!!!" Lmfao
retro12358 1 year ago
zoinks
psp785 1 year ago
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yes i agree with you
luckyboy1987 1 year ago
this video is fail. When they say 600Hz, it's not the same Hz as the LCDs has 100 or 200Hz of. It's something called sub-field drive or sumthing. look it up.
DuudeWhatDoesMineSay 1 year ago
@DuudeWhatDoesMineSay youre damn right,this 600hz is reffering to smthing else than 100hz in lcds,its mostly for plasmas and companies kust giving larger and larger numbers to attract all the noobs out there.
murdocsader 1 year ago
i dont understand what you are trying to say. are you saying that 600Hz tv's are a sham for normal video streaming like cable?
would that also mean that you would say that a 60Hz tv would look as good as the identical 120Hz version as well?
if you are saying that, then you are an imbecile.
also the Hz refresh rate is the refresh of the individual "pixels" and how fast they can change colour and stuff like that. it has nothing to do with the FPS.
adoodas 1 year ago
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You dude below me are funny mo fukaZZzzzzz
---- this guys funny, usually i dont laugh at gay vids on utube, but this guy was pretty comical xD
UrBaNKRONiK 1 year ago
That was funny shit. But true!
The higher Htz/Frames will only be important when 3DTVs come into market.
x3rs3s 1 year ago
Holy shit ist shaggy from scooby dooooo lol
tony535 1 year ago
also, let's assume 600 hz was actually 600 hz. then the usage of that will not be for TV's or broadcasts, it will be for things like PS3,s and blueray, like this guy said.
saying it's a sham just b/c one appliaction does not apply.
gwho 1 year ago
he made one good point, but forgot the other one
600 is actually 10 "screens" that all refresh at 60hz individually. so it's actually 60 hz, not 600.
it's like saying if u have 10 brown heads of hair, and set them side by side, they are 10 times more brown.
or if u have 10 panes of glass in series, calling it 10 times as clearer.
or like saying the photoelectric effect is a sham.
how the hell do you add frequencies like that? easy, by being a marketer.
gwho 1 year ago
The 600 Hz plasma I found today is perfect for gaming. True that it makes no difference from a regular50Hz when watching regular tv and most tvs support 1080p24 anyways (24 frames compatibility) for movies but for my pc, ps3 and 360 a 50Hz wont do the games any justice.
So Im ordering a Panasonic TXP42G20E today! Ive heard it is a great gaming screen as long as I im not letting images get burnprinted on it.
Pardon my bad english.
REVLEX321 1 year ago
@REVLEX321
I can see a huge difference from 50Hz to 100hz on most movies and even some tv broadcasting
navylaks2 1 year ago
it actually does. look it up,
but then again this video was uploaded in 2009..
EatDeeznuts1 1 year ago
shaggy !!!
DarkBossmx 1 year ago 15
Please forgive me for the spelling I'm on my iPhone but 600hz plasma tv's (which by the way 600hz is only on plasma) does not reflect the refresh rate like in LCD it refers to 12 different processes that the tv's do to make the image look better things like sharpen edges and highlights textures. So it takes 50 frames and puts them through 12 proccessors. 12 times 50 is 600 so that's what it refers too. Plasma tv's are constantly refreshed.
peprocks01 1 year ago
your probably right about that it doesn't make a HUGE difference, but dispite that, the tv has everything else about what you where talking about at the end that you should look for in a tv.
ekkertje23 1 year ago
ugly F**K
joshwood19881 1 year ago
ugly fuck
joshwood19881 1 year ago
LOL, the human eye can only detect 75 hz. framerate is completely different to refresh rate. you tard. and 600hz sub field drive is for reducing motion blur and ghosting by reducing the transition time between frames.
Gauntletbloggs 1 year ago
you look like the guy outta a beautiful mind and that stupid tennis film lol he was cool and sorry... already got a 600hz tv, came with it im afraid at the price of 699
SimonSerenade 1 year ago
@SimonSerenade YOUR REPLIES WITH SARCASM ARE VAGUE AND LAME, YOU DEFINETELY COME FROM THE GAY VALLEY, FUCKING FRUITY BITCH.
italianodicuore 1 year ago
@italianodicuore yeahhhhh you got some serious issues matey including caps lock so fuck you ya pussy =]
SimonSerenade 1 year ago
@SimonSerenade I'M MAKING SURE YOU READ CLEARLY HOW BITCH YOU SOUND. FUCK YOU.
italianodicuore 1 year ago
flash forward with the high HZ tcs came out, they also die faster (and develop lines) this happens with the heat of the lamps are mixed the the very high temperature of the interlinking driver that connect the LCD panel (the actual glass) to the LCD driver board. I have not had any LED lit TVs cross my path with this issue yet but the interconnect still runs very hot. (nearly skin searing) this only happens on Tvs that have the obscenely high (yet dubious) refresh rate..
kakureru 1 year ago
Sony don't do 600Hz! Only the plasma manaufacturers (Panasonic / Samsung / LG) bluff about it. But there is a vast difference between 50Hz and 100Hz/200Hz TVs on motion.Especially if it is using proper interpolation.
kneejerkreactionman 1 year ago
the first 55 seconds were true
lol666 1 year ago
there is a astronomical difference on dvd, xbox, ps3, and blu-ray thats the whole point i have a plasma now and i used to have a samsung LCD 60hz and i love the 600hz plasmas. it had way better black levels also than most reg. LCD's
joshs3gsreviews 1 year ago
Dear Magnulus:
Off course there can be a doubt if you notice a difference. But this is why there is image processing to fit in pictures for a smooth interpolation. I have bought a basic plasma with 100Hz and no interpolation. It just doubles every picture and in the store you really notice a difference. Image gets smoother switching to 50Hz, but I guess shop owners wont do that because of the flickering. It would be interesting if there is a difference in smoothness to 600Hz.
cero815 1 year ago
the even funnier part is that your eyes can only register about 75hz. These 120hz tvs were being complained about because it was giving people headaches. 600hz will have you vomiting as your brain strains to process what it cant =)
mgmike2 1 year ago
600Hz is the refresh rate, not the FPS ..... Having multiple screen refreshes per broadcast frame helps remove the motion blur created by slow pixels, its not broadcast bluury.
Trust me I have a 600Hz TV and I've seen it side by side with a 200Hz TV of the same make, There IS a difference.
this video is stu-r-pid!
Katashtrophie 1 year ago
As I've understood it the point of having a 600 Hz TV is that it can display 24, 25, 50 & 60 fps material without having to resort to 3:2 pulldown and such. Think about it:
When I'm watching a 24 fps Bluray it shows every frame 25 times per second while if I hook up my 25 fps AVCHD camcorder it shows each frame 24 times and watching PAL material 12 times and NTSC 10 times per second.
50 fps stuff on a 120 Hz TV would be messier, no?
KjellBrel 1 year ago
Oh, and the thing you mention about it might be useful when playing a PS3 game - that's all wrong as the input refresh is still 60 Hz (which of course is perfectly fine).
600 Hz sub field drive is there to be able to handle various framerates - not make tennis games smoother.
KjellBrel 1 year ago
This 600hz mecanism when fully activated makes everything look ridiculously realistic, especially on lcd sets. it's cancels that of "slowness" that makes a film "filmy" so to speak.
The higher the source's resolution is the more home made movie-like it looks.
The best thing u can do is buy a decent plasma.
Belson20 1 year ago
LOL. plz dont buy a new iphone 4, buy a nokia 3310(p.s. one of the good basic phones i had) cuz u dont need new technology. all u need a CRT 12 inch monitor mate :)
usblokeinuk77 1 year ago
Someone get this dude a thooth brush and some thooth paste. Oh yeah don't forget to floss. -Thank you!
mymovievideos 1 year ago
@mymovievideos Not one cavity in 15 years, despite a coca-cola addiction in my teens. Not everyone can afford to bleach their teeth, my friend, and with age comes yellow teeth. Especially if you like coffee... Delicious, delicious coffee.
Magnulus 1 year ago
@mymovievideos Not one cavity in 15 years, despite a coca-cola addiction in my teens. Not everyone can afford to bleach their teeth, my friend, and with age comes yellow teeth. Especially if you like coffee... Delicious, delicious coffee.
Magnulus 1 year ago 9
@Magnulus Pfft don't listen to that prick. Imaturity!
Caluma122 1 year ago
@Magnulus i thought you guys liked tea?
wilatemodel 1 year ago
@wilatemodel "you guys"? Norwegians?
Magnulus 1 year ago
@Magnulus ..u sound English,..im sorry if that offends you...
wilatemodel 1 year ago
@wilatemodel Heheh, not at all. I do live in the UK, and I get that all the time. ^_^
Magnulus 1 year ago
@Magnulus No fucking way man, at what age did you move??
Monosuke 10 months ago
@wilatemodel economic situation there?,..if i may ask?..was just wondering from a "real" persons point of view..
wilatemodel 1 year ago
@mymovievideos your a homo, why do you care about some other mans teeth, stock being such A USELESS FAGGOT
EthansOpinion92 1 year ago
agree with u , thats why they still make 60hz
it is funny 600
joe2localman 1 year ago
Ok, i get the bottleneck thing, but if videos and movies were filmed with high speed cameras of maybe 300-600 fps, wouldn't that make the movies a lot more crisp?
zaphr89 1 year ago
this guy scared the shit out of me when he got really close to the camera.
jellypeanuteman 1 year ago
So just so i have the RIGHT idea. Basically it wont make a difference on normal teles since its always at 25 to 30 frames per second right? BUT! on something like a Xbox360 or a PS3 then it will make a difference but 600 hertz would still be redundant?s so 120 hertz would be the max then for a gamer right?
btw u kinda look like CM punk, just sayin.
Matximusprime 1 year ago
YEARGH!!!
OtomoTenzi 1 year ago
hes right in what hes saying, but he's leavin out the fact that all the newer 100hz and 600hz tv's have dejudder technology, like motionplus or true motion, which makes things look ten times more fluid when the image is moving fast, so you could have a 60hz tv with motion plus next to a 100hz or 600hz tv and the 60hz tv with the motion tech will produce much smoother motion.
MuZZik2016 1 year ago
600hz is to remove the ghosting effect of fast moving action on the screen that all LCD's and Plasma's suffer from, a TV running at 600hz reduces the ms to virtualy zero, its not to remove blured effects that were present on the actual recording like your trying to say >.>
Lishoka 1 year ago
Nice video and i can see lots of argument on that 600Hz techonology...But if the manufactures are going to give us this technology for no addition expenses charged on the end user,I think then one thas to welcome it !
krisachar 1 year ago
I get what your saying I can see your a little uniformed on some parts but yeah it is impassable to make blurred image clear by adding more Hz but it is better two have more that way there is no image retention or smear. but you are right on company's trying to trick ppl into thinking its going to make there sports look clearer than life.
blue2kid3 1 year ago
100 and 200hz (PAL) LCD TVs double or quadruple the framerate by calculating the movement of objects and adding that extra frame in.
Panasonic's Neo PDP 600hz technology has nothing to do with frame rate. It's just how often they send a pulse of energy into their plasma bulbs lighting them up more frequently so you see less flashing or flickering.
It's misleading marketing, and the consumer watchdog should caution them on it.
Irishfreedom 1 year ago
your stupid ..... do your home work !!!!!
ninthx007 1 year ago
hz cut be actualy reffered as fields.
a 50hz tv will view 50 fields per second.
1 frame consists of 2 fields the odd and even fields also could interlaced.
movies are recorded at 24fps to reach 50hz,all what they do is speedup the movie 1% to get 25fps,then the movie is split into 50 fields thus 50 hz!
johneymute 1 year ago
Ok first off only film and not live tv is displayed at 24-30 fps. This gives it the cinematic element that you don't get in live feeds. Live feeds can be streamed at as high a frame rate as the camera can capture it. Sporting events such as the one in the ad are now more so than ever streamed much faster than 60hz simply for the new tv technoligies. The nfl has been doing this for a couple of years now.
frankieh27229 1 year ago
It's not about seeing things clearer. 600Hx TVs won't make something clearer.
It will, however, be compatible with every major video standard. If the source is:
24Hz = displays the same frame 25 times
25Hz = 24 times
30Hz = 20 times
50Hz = 12 times
60Hz = 10 times
Which will reduce the motion blur cause by INTERPOLATING, but in essence will not change the image from what was originally recorded. Meaning a 24Hz movie will show 24 frames a second, 25 times each for a total of 600.
guitalex2005 2 years ago
my question is where the fuck is scooby doo
ripcurl010 2 years ago 48
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uuqd1767 2 years ago
@ripcurl010 on my moms bed.
VaconCamp 1 year ago
@ripcurl010 lol
93215enzo 1 year ago
@ripcurl010 Had to put him down, can't have dogs in this flat. Funny, innit? He was so frightened of ghosts with clanking chains and what did him in was a dude with a syringe.
Magnulus 1 year ago
@Magnulus may be on txt when use in hdmi mode on a computer that ware th hz mater
brokeandbloging 1 year ago
this guy has no clue about new technology!!!! The typical frame rate used in North America is 60 frames per second (60Hz) meaning that a TV would display 60 individual still images every second.
dougvip 2 years ago
Except that the standard frame rate for video in the US is 30 fps. This is called the NTSC standard. In Europe, it's 25 fps, which is PAL. Hz doesn't always translate directly to FPS, buddy. What was it you were saying about clues and not having them?
Magnulus 2 years ago 3
Magnulus cod4 & mw2 is 60fps if you played with 30 fps it is blurred and there comes more games that support 60 fps so the 600hz is not bullshit and it don´t fool people it is important for gamers
RaymondYtube 2 years ago
Uhh, yeah, I could swear he actually MENTIONED that in the video?
SkullXII 2 years ago
@Magnulus
600HZ is Bull Shit, but if you plan on using your TV as a monitor for an HTPC the higher Hz TV's will without a doubt perform much better due to having better processing ability to minimize input lag.. HDTV's actually suck in general for gaming vs CRT, or even flat screen LCD monitors in terms of lag..
TheJackelantern 1 year ago
@dougvip 60Hz means that you get 30 fps, TV is broadcasted in Interlaced, and this means it refreshes half the image in 1/60 of a second... Thus giving you 30fps... and not 60...
The 600Hz technology is totally obsolete... The highest any TV would need these days is 120Hz if you want to watch 3D movies with active shutter 3D glasses...
drappke 1 year ago
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@dougvip 60Hz means that you get 30 fps, TV is broadcasted in Interlaced, and this means it refreshes half the image in 1/60 of a second... Thus giving you 30fps... and not 60...
The 600Hz technology is totally obsolete... The highest any TV would need these days is 120Hz if you want to watch 3D movies with active shutter 3D glasses...
drappke 1 year ago
@dougvip
60 fps is still nowhere near 600.
mgmike2 1 year ago
Maybe you should do some research on motion blur. Response times of those 600hz subfield drive Panasonics are .001ms which leads to a full 1080p lines of moving resolution. The fastest LCDs even at 240hz can't do over 300-900 lines of resolution at 2-5ms. repsonse times.
rexoverbey 2 years ago
The motion blur evident in the picture is clearly the kind that happens in the camera when the shutter speed is too slow to "freeze" an image. They're implying that their TVs can make blurred footage clear, which they can't. I say as much in the video. Yeah, there were some uninformed points I made in the video, but motion blur was not one of them.
Magnulus 2 years ago
@Magnulus
Your title implies that 600hz tv's are a sham. I gave you the reason why it is not (faster response times/higher moving picture resolution) and why they are better than LCD. Plus you are just using an image out of an ad to say what they mean? Motion blur (Ghosting, Timing Drift, Temporal Jitter/Jutter, Pixelation) is an issue on fast moving object on LCD. Who is to say that isn't what the picture means?
rexoverbey 2 years ago
PAL (there are different versions) is 25fps and refreshed at 50 fields per sec. This is to match the AC rate of 50hz in Europe. US AC rate is 60hz. The 25fps is shown (like the US) with even/odd fields. There are some places that has the PAL and are at 60hz rate. LCDs and Plasmas, and so forth, that have a high refresh rate(greater than 60) either display the same image more than once to fill in between frames, or interpolate the between frames.
WanderingMagi 2 years ago
The real scam is that the 600Hz in Pana plasmas is sub-field drive, used to generate colour shades. It has nothing to do with refresh rates (which are typically 50-120 like any other TV. And LCDs do have more blur (that wasn't in the source video) because of how they work. European TV is usually an effective 50 frames a second, not 25. Movies are 25 though. That's why sport or news programs should look smoother than a movie (but have less detail as half of each frame is interpolated by the TV)
choddo 2 years ago 2
Lets see if I can shed some light here. Film that you see in the theater is shown at 24fps, and video in 30fps (NTSC) and 25fps for PAL. Regular broadcast was shown at 30fps, first the odd lines, then the even lines, each done at 1/60th sec which combined to 30fps. Progressive would display both even/odd at the same time which is why it was better for motion. The average human eye can only see roughly 60fps. The 600hz takes each of the 1/60th frame and flashes it ten times.
WanderingMagi 2 years ago
That's a very good explanation of Hz and FPS, thank you. I must admit that when I made the video, I didn't think Plasmas were all that different from LCDs, so some of my details are pretty shaky. Of course, the main gist is the same: You can't make blurry footage look clear by some in-TV process. :)
Magnulus 2 years ago