The "Honorable" Eliot Engel VOTED FOR: IRAQ WAR (and subsequent funding) PATRIOT ACT Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (helped bring about financial collapse) Food "Safety" Modernization Act (putting local farmers out of business) WALL STREET BAILOUTS "STIMULUS" bills He SUPPORTS the SECRECY of the FEDERAL RESERVE by refusing to cosponsor HR1207 (Audit the Fed bill) CAP AND TRADE net neutrality (HR 5252, regulation of the internet) He is as corrupt as can be. COME 2010, VOTE HIM OUT
Revelations 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Brilliant job by the interviewer throwing Engel off guard too. A suggestion to Al Jazeera though. Stop focusing on the motivations for bombing children. The real question is would any civilized nation with the capability of precision strikes be able to justify killing children if it means killing a handful of militants. Imagine if here in the us our cops dropped a bomb on a school because a gunman was inside. The notion is absurd!!. Why is it ok over in Israel?
It doesn't matter how precise you can be, when the terrorist hide behind civilians and trap them inside their death zone, there's very little you can do. But at that point, those doing the trapping become responsible for the deaths, not the ones who had to protect their people from those psychopaths.
Now to claim that Israel does not target civilians is absurd. Israeli military policy is to "educate" the terrorists. This means to kill enough civilians and destroy enough property in order to show the organizations and the people the repurcussions of any act against Israel. Well. I am not saying this. This is the policy of the Israeli govt. Just google Israeli leadership/ disproportionate force.
You will get a plethora of quotes supporting this. And yes....they are in context.
"Educating" the terrorists, is just that--the policy is to do that to the terrorists, not to civilians. It is meant to show them that terrorism will NEVER yield concessions. Once they renounce terrorism, things will change drastically, because Israel is the one who actually wants peace, but you need a viable peace partner for that--something they don't have ANY semblance of right now.
Ok Adeal. Did hamas build the walls and the checkpoints around GAZA? Who is holding who? It would be like the US dropping a 2k lbs Jdam on San quentin because a prisoner would not leave his cell. It is absurd to argue that Israel was not the ones holding the residents of Gaza in Gaza. Most of the world recognizes Gaza as a prison. To use your logic....The Nazis were justified in the slaughter in the Warsaw Ghetto..."there is little you can do". They had to kill the psychos.
Israel didn't bomb all of Gaza at once. There were plenty of areas within Gaza they could have evacuated to. They weren't the ones holding them in the neighborhoods where the terrorists were hiding. No, it would be like if that "prisoner" was firing off ROCKETS from his cell that were aimed at the civilians of the town nearest the prison. Gaza is a SELF-INFLICTED prison. They stop smuggling weapons, the "prison walls" are taken down immediately.
As to your sick comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto, the difference there is there was no one within that Warsaw Ghetto who was trying to eliminate the nation of Germany, nor did they have a "government" within that ghetto trying to do anything like that. If there had been, they would have been justified in warning the residents to get out and then clearing out those who were threatening them. Nice try anyway, thanks for playing. Come back when you learn a little more about logic and comparisons
Actually anyone who thinks anti semite means anti jew is an idiot and just spitting out crap that they heard. Arabs and jews are both semites. The semites are a language group. Hebrew and arabic are both semitic languages. Continued.....
Because American do not know the truth. When Saddam Hussain use chemical weapon against kurd then it is crime in the eye of US. But when Israel use chemical weapon (White Phosphorous) against palatina then it is not a crime in the eyes of US because it will be Anti Semitic according to US constitution. Any thing done by Israel is not supported treat as a Anti Semitic to Jews according to US constitution.
Any country around the world and less US can't tolerate hold politicians with two different passports and nationalities. Obviously Engel more than a Jewish is an Israeli that prefer serve the Israel's interest than the US
Eliot Engel dosn't know what disproportionate use means? In 7 years 17 Israelis have died from rocket fire ..Israel killed over 1300 in Gaza within a 2 month period. That is what disproportionate means...The Israeli Jews' consciousness is characterized by a sense of victimization, a siege mentality, blind patriotism, belligerence, self-righteousness, dehumanization of the Palestinians and insensitivity to their suffering.
And a large majority of those 1300 that Israel killed in Gaza were HAMAS MEMBERS!!!! And even those who were civilians aren't exactly innocent victims in the truest sense of the world, because they were the ones who voted in a government who makes no secret of the fact that there SOLE raison d'etre is the DESTRUCTION of Israel. Thus, anyone who voted for Hamas knew full well they were voting for Israel to be destroyed, thus becoming a legitimate enemy of Israel.
No, meaning you. I guess you are Israeli or Jewish, and therefore blind to the truth, however, knowing something is sure to happen as a result of actions you take, and then taking that action, is the same as intending it to happen. So that tired excuse is wasted on anyone with a brain. But of course, Israel does murder Palestiians daily anyway, so forget semantics.
What I am is irrelevant--I am in no way blind to any facts. And no, in legal terms that is nowhere NEAR the same as intending it to happen, especially in cases when they give every opportunity to PREVENT it from happening, such as dropping leaflets to warn the civilians far in advance, giving them ample opportunity to evacuate. So no, they don't intend to kill civilians--they only to kill terrorists. Any civilians killed are the responsibility of the monsters called Hamas who trap them in
What you are is obviously key to the issue. Murderers, don't think they are evil. As for the legal definition of intention, it is a favourite Israeli position,but you are wrong. Targeted assassinations are murder, bulldozing houses with people inside, is murder, the bombing of Gaza, murder. But naturally, Israel will get away with it. Get a lawbook not written in Israel. I'm a US and Uk trained lawyer, but I'm sure its different in Israel.
Not if the people being assassinated are terrorists or terror sympathizers or facilitators. Bulldozing houses is not murder when those houses were being used as weapons caches and those in the houses were given the chance to evacuate--same with Gaza, they were going after HAMAS!!!! That makes THEM responsible. I think YOU'RE the one reading a lawbook written by Al-Jazeera correspondants.
I AM reading lawbooks written outside of Israel. Ok, you claim to be a U.S. and UK trained lawyer--ok, so here's a quiz for you. A policeman shoots at an armed known murderer who's shooting at him. Some innocent bystanders get caught in the cross-fire and are killed. Who's charged with the murder? The policeman? OR THE ONE WHO WAS SHOOTING AT HIM!????!!!!! Don't even try to answer the policeman. And it's the SAME WITH ISRAEL AND HAMAS, YOU TWISTED NUTCASE!!!!!!!!
Unlike you, I am a lawyer, and do know the law, so I know you are a fool in that respect. What else you are remains hidden, for good reasons, I am sure. that scenario, is a good fantasy, but a thousand innocent bystanders at least, who the invader, not policeman, deliberately targeted, in order to hopefully kill suspects, not known murderers, targeting schools, hospitals, ambulances, etc in the process, is a more accurate setting. Don't worry, what goes round, comes round. What goes up, falls.
As expected, you ducked the question, probably because you realize that the answer exposes how utterly indefensible your raving bullshit really is. Israel's not the "invader" here, buster. They UNILATERALLY WITHDREW from Gaza four years ago in case you weren't aware of that, and were rewarded by the same amount of time of CONSTANT rocket fire, and EVEN THEN there's no "targeting" of anyone or anything other than TERRORISTS and TERRORIST SAFE HAVENS.
You must be one HELL of a lousy lawyer (or just shamelessly lying to yourself) if you're trying to claim that other people and objects besides terrorists or terror safe havens being HIT somehow demonstrates that they were TARGETED. THEY WEREN'T!! Those "thousands of innocent bystanders" (not even close to that, actually) VOLUNTARILY STAYED IN A WAR ZONE! Their deaths became THEIR responsibility when terrorists are hiding among them, they're warned to leave and they don't. Pure and simple
Maybe so, guilty clients tend to blame the lawyer for their convictions, no matter how clear the guilt, so you do sound familiar. Of course Israel doesn't fire at civilians, nor do they occupy the territory of others, or use white phosphorous. It doesn't try to hold on to land acquired in war, nor did it starve Gaza during the blockade, even when no rockets were fired. Israel is the peaceful beacon of the Middle East, and all of the 600 women and children killed in Gaza deserved it., naturally.
Those are the first true statements you have made so far. Except that I never said all of the women and children (not even close to that figure, by the way) "deserved it"--I said they weren't the targets and anyone who voted in Hamas WAS fair game. The children may have been innocent victims, but they were the victims of their parents not taking them to safety when they had the chance or of the monsters of Hamas if they prevented escape, not of those trying to clean their areas of terrorists.
Whereas none of the statements you have made are true, International law holds that Israel is in illegal occupation. It is demonstrable that Israel illegally uses white phosphorous, It is obvious that Israel fires at civilians without any regard for Palestinian life whatsoever, and as for the blockade, please, a blind man could see it. However, Obama isn't Bush, and Israel dances to America's tune since America funds that war machine. So lets see what happens next.
They ALL are true. It is obvious that Israel bends over backwards to AVOID civilian deaths--even dropping warning leaflets giving opportunities to evacuate ANY targeted areas. NO OTHER ARMY IN THE WORLD DOES THAT YOU SICK FREAK!!!! Nothing illegal about any "occupation"--those lands were seized after wars THE ARAB COUNTRIES STARTED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DESTROYING ISRAEL. And yes, a blind man could see that the blockade is only as long as they try to smuggle weapons through the boarders
That white phosphorus, by the way, way only aimed at the TERRORISTS WHO LIVE TO DESTROY ISRAEL!!!!!!!! What will happen next? Well if the Palestinans renounce terrorism and work to stop it, they'll have statehood very quickly. If, once again, they choose Jew slaughter and seeking Israel's destruction over their own statehood, they will remain in their self-inflicted prison until their choice changes
No sir, Saddam didn't give a SHIT about the women and children. Israel gave the AMPLE opportunity to evacuate the areas before ANY weaponry was used against those genocidal monsters known as HAMAS!!!! THEY are the ones you should be comparing to Saddam, not the ones who are only trying to stop constant unashamed civilian TARGETED attacks against their population. HOW DARE YOU!!!!!
Ha ha ha--your funny! I love people who think things are ALL black or ALL white, ALL right or ALL left, ALL up or ALL down, with no in between.I always look at the age of someone who makes these kind of statements--99% born during the "Reagan" years i.e.,"twenty something".
You have learned well my child.
Since you know (informed person) about "genocide" What'd you think of the 30 MILLION (India) Indians STARVED TO DEATH BY the BRITISH EMPIRE during the 1800's? Thanks for making me laugh!
Where did I ever defend anything the British empire did? I didn't even mention that. And what the FUCK does that have to do with this? And no, not everything is black and white, but a few things are. And one of them is "genocide" requires INTENT to wipe out a race, nation or creed. And unless terrorists qualify as one of those three, Israel has no such intent--the Palestinians do, by their own proud, sick admission. End of story
Actually no....Civilian loses are the responsibility of the one who caused them. It is the duty of the attacker (not a statement of cause ...merely of who launched a specefic attack) to ensure that the collateral damage is minimal and that civilian targets are not specifically targeted. And , further, that civilians are not indirectly attacked (food, medicine, water, electricity). It is not Hamas' job to protect Gaza...It is Israels job not to kill civilians. Source...geneva conventions
Not when they weren't the targets and were given the chance to evacuate. They most certainly were NOT specifically targeted. The fact that some were killed in no way shows that they were the targets, and anyone who knows ANYTHING about the Israeli army knows that their very firm and strict policy is NEVER to directly target civilians. I know people who have to abide by that very policy buster. And it IS Hamas's job not to trap its own civilians inside the neighborhoods they hide in.
And given that more than half of those killed were children, what are you saying? People are entitled to vote in the But again, this is talking to the deaf and blind, I know. Israel is the best reminder that the West is no neutral supporter of fairness and justice, but a supporter of terrorist friends.
First of all those statistics are utter bullshit. The VAST majority killed were Hamas members. And yes, people are entitled to vote, but a vote for Hamas is a vote for the destruction of Israel, and everyone knows it, because it's in Hamas's charter, which they have NEVER renounced. So anyone who did vote for Hamas is fair game. And if they get the chance to evacuate their children (which they will ALWAYS) get before any attack) and don't take it, THEY become responsible for those deaths.
And you would know this because you knew all the dead personally? Funny. You say a vote for Hamas is a vote for Israel's destruction, Israel is only relevant as a monster. . Hamas and Hezbollah arose as resistance movements to Israeli actions, but are relevant far beyond that. Israel broke the ceasefire, not Hamas. By your words, voting for Hamas entitles Israel to kill you, and if you don't run from murderers they have a right to kill you. You are insane, or IDF, probably the same thing.
Nope, neither of the above, just cognisant of facts and legitimate rules of warfare. No I don't know all the dead personally, but I do know the legitimate figures. Yeah, those groups arose in response to an "Israeli action"--the "action" of EXISTING!!!! (Even though they were legitimately formed by the U.N.) Hamas had NEVER ABIDED BY THE CEASE FIRE IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU FOOL!!! The ceasefire stipulated ZERO rocket attacks, and they continued daily all throughout this supposed "cease-fire"
Actually, Hamas did abide by the ceasefire, it is universally accepted that Israel broke the ceasefire on election night, for obvious reasons, to provoke Hamas into fighting back so they could wipe Hamas out before a new President came in. Pulled out of Gaza on inaugaration as well. All the dead were killed for cynical, murderous reasons. How many Israelis have these rocket attacks killed over the years? 17? Contrast with the 1300 in ths incident alone. Not counting the other thousands killed.
"Universally accepted" my fucking asshole. Maybe they made the formal statement that this mirage of a ceasefire was not being pretended to anymore, but HAMAS NEVER ABIDED BY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! THE ROCKET FIRE WAS CONTINUOUS ALL THROUGHOUT THE SUPPOSED "CEASEFIRE" And of those 1300, you didn't bother to mention well over half were HAMAS MEMBERS, you thick-headed fool. Any who weren't had ample chance to evacuate ahead--they chose not to or Hamas trapped them in--THEIR responsibility
And anyway, they should have taken Hamas out the day the came to power. A government whose sole purpose in existing is to wipe out one of its neighbors does not have the right to rule anyone and is fair game at ALL times
Well there at last you are honest. If the neighbour's child doesn't like me because I steal his lunch, pocket money and anything else I want, because I can, then of course I should kill him, or at least beat him severely, with my father's bat, of course. After all, he has the right to run away, so he deserves what he gets. Because I was once oppressed, oh sorry, my parents were.
NOTHING to do with who was oppressed at what time and who wasn't. It has to do with the fact that both groups had legitimate historical claim to the land (and not just from biblical times either). Nothing was "stolen" from anyone. And no, it's not at all like that. More like if the neighbor's child could have chosen his family and he chose a family whose only desire in the world is to kill me. Then yes, making a choice of someone who exists to destroy another makes one fair game themselves.
Thats rubbish. In line wit the usual Holocaust excuses and propaganda, you said the Warsaw Ghetto comparison was sick. I know the history as well as you do, so we both know that Israel's claims to East Jerusalem, and that the building and expansion of settlements on occupied land, are based on nothing other than superior force, a desire to control all the water and take what they can. All the while, claiming that those they kill and steal from are the terrorists. Almost funny, almost.
That would be because they ARE the terrorists. THEY'RE THE ONES TARGETING CIVILIANS--THE DEFINITION OF TERRORISM. ISRAEL IS NOT!!!!! Did you read a WORD I just said???? I made perfectly clear that the Holocaust is NOT the basis for Israel's existence, it simply sped up a process that was already in the works for years, based on legitimate historical presence. And no we "both" don't know that. What those who know the actual FACTS and not the propaganda know is those territories are war prizes
That would be because they ARE the terrorists. THEY'RE THE ONES TARGETING CIVILIANS--THE DEFINITION OF TERRORISM. ISRAEL IS NOT!!!!! Did you read a WORD I just said???? I made perfectly clear that the Holocaust is NOT the basis for Israel's existence, it simply sped up a process that was already in the works for years, based on legitimate historical presence. And no we "both" don't know that. What those who know the actual FACTS and not the propaganda know is those territories are war prizes
The practice of taking war prizes when you beat back an aggressor (which the Arabs have been in EVERY war that Israel has EVER been involved in)--Israel had the right to ANNEXE those territories, and they didn't even do that. They simply hold on to them as buffer zones--and have offered to give them ALL back time and time again for the simple price of recognition by the Arab nations of their right to exist, and this has been turned down over and over and over again. Maybe now this will change.
The Warsaw comparison IS sick, because there was no one inside that ghetto who was trying to destroy Germany and kill every civilian in the country--very unlike Gaza and Israel. So that one is COMPLETELY null and void. Try again.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The psycho genocide applauder is back!!! I'll say this very slowly so even a sick maniac like you can understand it. THE. NAZIS'. AIM. WITH. THE. WARSAW. GHETTO. WAS. TO. BEGIN. THE. PROCESS. OF. EXTERMINATING. ALL. JEWS. WHO. POSED. NO. THREAT. TO. GERMANY!!! WHAT. ISRAEL. DOES. IN. GAZA. IS. FOR. THE. SOLE. PURPOSE. OF. STOPPING. TERROR. ATTACKS. BY. THOSE. WHO. MAKE. IT. THEIR. LIFE. MISSION. TO. DESTROY. ISRAEL.!!!! Clear enough for you????????
Kill Arabs who you give every chance to leave before you take out the terrorists hiding amid them and using them as human shields, and yes, point out anti-Semitism from nutcases like you who have BLATANTLY applauded the GENOCIDAL quest of monsters like Hamas and want to tie Israel's hands in stopping them. You're sick. Get some help!!!!!
No, I cheer on no "murder" because unless there is INTENT to kill civilians (which there is NONE on Israel's part) it is not "murder" except ones that can be charged to HAMAS because THEY were the ones who prevented the civilians from leaving when Israel tried to facilitate their evacuation before beginning military operations to clean out the terrorists. HAMAS is the one ATTEMPTING, UNABASHEDLY to slaughter as many Israeli civilians in cold blood as they possibly can.
And no, it is not your "opposition" to Israel's action against terrorists that makes you racist, or more specifically anti-Semitic, that's simply a function of your woeful uninformedness. What earns you the title I gave you is your blatant applauding of Hamas' genocidal quests.
Whether your Al-Jazeera statistics are true or not (they're not) you still fail to grasp the little aspect called INTENT!!!!!! Hamas's INTENT is to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, which your filthy, Jew hating mouth applauds enthusiastically. Israel's INTENT is to STOP TERRORISM while giving the civilians caught in the middle by their monster government's quest for genocide every chance to get themselves away from that situation. They either choose not to or are trapped by Hamas
Not when Hamas is UNABASHED about their intent to slaughter as many civilians in cold blood as is only possible, and not when the "100" were warned to leave and either chose not to or were trapped where they were by the monsters who made the military operations necessary in the first place. That, Mr. Anti-Semitic, Genocide-Cheerleading, Filth-Spewing Psychopath, is not "alleged" intent, it is DEMONSTRABLE intent!!!!!!
And unabashedly made perfectly clear that their goal is to kill every last Israeli in that nation and destroy it--which once again, you cheer them on from the sideline in that genocidal goal--while every single civilian death at the hands of Israel was attempted to be avoided by giving ample warning to evacuate and done ONLY for the purpose of stopping terror attacks, not to destroy the Palestinians--only the terrorists among them.
Yeah, when you have monsters like Hamas trapping civilians inside the war zone neighborhoods after they've been warned to leave, actually that makes quite a bit of sense. When you have that to contend with, there isn't much more you CAN do to prevent killing civilians beyond that. Once they've given warnings and Hamas traps them in, THEY become responsible for any deaths that occur. And Hamas has killed FAR more than ten, and its in THEIR OWN proud, sick words that they swear to destroy Israel
That would be because they NEVER target civilians in their attacks. Those weapons are intended ONLY for the terrorists in the areas they go after. They try to get the civilians out. They would be responsible for those deaths if they were INTENDING to kill these civilians and if they did not warn them to evacuate. But inconveniently for you, they don't and they do. So yes indeed, the fault DOES lie with the monsters known as HAMAS!!!!
There may be individuals Israeli soldiers who have deliberately killed civilians, but they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law by the Israeli government. Similarly, there may be the occasional nutcase in Israel who may call for genocide against Palestinians, but certainly no one in their government, because no one with such a position could ever get elected there. Israel has NEVER had a government that made destruction of the Palestinians its platform--quite unlike Hamas
Israel kills thousands of civilians, period. Intent is not knowable, but the fact that israel has killed many thousands of noncombatants is just a fact.
"Platforms" and "charters" and such are just words. I judge the actors by their deeds. And Israel is a sick dog
After warning them to leave what will soon become a war zone because of terrorists hiding there. Intent is very easily known by the actions that preceed other actions. Thus, simple logic (something you seem to have ZERO ability to process) would indicate that since they warn the civilians who would be put in danger by anti-terror operations to leave and give them ample opportunity to do so, it's pretty damn clear that their intent is NOT to kill civilians.
Once said civilians are warned to leave, their fate is then in their own hands, at this point they have no one to blame for anything that happens to them but themselves if they choose not to leave, or Hamas if they prevent them from leaving. Now quit wasting my time, you fithy-mouthed, genocide cheerleading, hate-mongering anti-Semite!!!!
Maybe if we shut down the REAL "mass murderers" --like HAMAS!!!! none of those other so-called "mass murders" (which, of course, aren't "murders" at all since there's ZERO intent to kill civilians and efforts made to get those civilians out of there before ANY anti-terror operations are undertaken) would be a problem in the first place. NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FILTHY ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!
First of all, those figures are utter bullshit. Most of the Palestinians killed were HAMAS. I've answered your question 10,000 times, but in the faint hope that it might actually register the 10,001st time, I'll answer it again--BECAUSE "MURDER" REQUIRES INTENT!!! ISRAEL'S INTENT IS TO TAKE OUT TERRORISTS, AND WHAT IS DONE IS ONLY DONE AFTER WARNING ANY CIVILIANS WHO MIGHT GET CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE TO LEAVE!!! HAMAS PROUDLY HAS THAT INTENT--HOW BAD THEIR AIM MAY BE IS IRRELEVANT!!!!!!
What is amazing is that when Israel drops bombs and chemicals on Gazans and Lebanese, killing @ 2,500 hundred of them, that you don't hold Israel responsible...instead claiming a lack of intent. It is astounding how many times israel has killed bunches of people without ever intending to
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE INTENT, YOU SICK FREAK!!! THEY WARNED THEM ALL TO LEAVE BEFORE THEY DID ANY OF THIS!!!! Not to mention that you never bother to check how many of those killed were HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH--BOTH GROUPS SWORN TO DESTROY ISRAEL!!!
HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS??!!! MY FUCKING ASSHOLE!!! None of them ever said a WORD about Hamas's genocide quests. Their credibility is SHOT!!!! Yes, warned them. Pamphlets were dropped for days on end before ANY operation started, warning to evacuate. Where are you getting this "surprise attack to catch kids" bullshit? From your fellow genocide cheerleaders at Al-Jazeera?? If you "know" that, you're the only one on this planet, because those who live in the real world know otherwise.
Look at you. You think all the nonpartisan human rights orgs, along with the UN, who studied what happened in Gaza are lying and that the IDF, who committed the crimes, are telling the truth.
I can never understand how people like you cannot see how ridiculous you are
That would be because they are not "non-partisan human rights orgs"--the fact that they never uttered a PEEP of condemnation against HAMAS gives that fact away conclusively. It isn't just the Israeli soldiers telling the reality of this situation, it's numerous other independent media outlets, many of which are not exactly Israel's best friends, but at least they have some semblance of honesty in them, unlike you
Now you have the babies who were blown to bits by IDF bombs or burned by chemicals responsible for their own deaths because the elected martyrdom? The victim is to blame,. not the Israeli gunmen?
In cases of any babies killed, that would be their PARENTS' responsibility for not taking them the fuck out of those areas when given ample opportunity to do so--not too surprising, given the interviews they've done with Palestinian mothers who say their biggest dream for their newborn babies is for them to become suicide bombers. Or, again, in some cases the responsibility of anyone who may have tried to prevent them from leaving if their parents DID seize the opportunity to do so.
Nope, sorry genocidal psychopath, we just recognize reality. YOU'RE the one being an apologist for the REAL terrorists here--HAMAS!!! Never heard you suggest that they knock the fuck off their genocide quests, and then none of this would have happened in the first place. Why don't you work on getting THEM to stop, if you really want to save Palestinian lives. Because once they renounce terror, their people will be perfectly safe and won't ever need to be warned to evacuate.
Israel attacked GAZA with the full force of its potent and modern military, killing over 1,400 people, the vast majority of whom were noncombatants (every single source -- and commonn sense -- makes this clear), allegedly in response to "rockets" that killed ZERO people in the previous six months.
And you call Hamas the genociders? nd think you are the one who sees reality?
Yes, they attacked HAMAS with the full force of its potent and modern military-- the only way to CRUSH an enemy sworn to DESTROY ISRAEL!! Again, how bad the terrorists' aim has been recently is IRRELEVANT!!--one final time, they do so ONLY after warning ANY civilians who would get caught in the crossfire, to LEAVE--EVACUATE--and give them AMPLE time to do so. Those areas were supposed to be EMPTY of non-combatants when the anti-terror ops began--if they weren't, that's no longer Israel's problem
So yes, indeed, HAMAS IS the genociders, because they are the ones with INTENT to slaughter civilians. Israel has NONE!!!--only to CRUSH HAMAS!!!! They are the ONLY ARMY IN THE WORLD that warns civilians to get out before military action is taken--once they do that, any deaths their anti-terror operations cause after that point cannot be called "murder" or certainly not "genocide" because previous actions demonstrate beyond any doubt that there is NO INTENT to kill A SINGLE CIVILIAN!!!!
Genocide takes place when you actually kill large numbers of a specific group. This is what Israel does and hamas does not. Alleged intent or lack of intent has nothing to do with it.
Stop being such a dupe of the Zionists. Their time is drawing to a close
It has EVERYTHING to do with intent--you have intent to kill civilians, specifically foir who they are, it's GENOCIDE--or perhaps in Hamas's case, attempted genocide, because they will NEVER succeed in destroying Israel, but certainly cold-blooded MURDER!! Killing absent intent to do so is none of the above, in fact when Hamas prevents the civilians who have been warned to leave from doing so, THEY are actually guilty of genocide--AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!!
Intent is not knowable -- although it seems clear that Israel intends to kill plenty of civilians seeing how often they do so ans how many they kill when they do go on a spree.
Let's deal with the facts and the facts show that israel kills a whole helluva lot more people than Hamas does. Not even close
YOU FUCKING DUMBASS!!!!! How many times do I have to explain to you that intent is knowable BY THE ACTIONS THAT PRECEED OTHER ACTIONS??????!!!!!! The fact that they warn the civilians to LEAVE before ANY ANTI-TERROR OPERATION ever begins CLEARLY SHOWS that they have no intent to kill those civilians. IF THEY INTENDED TO KILL THEM, WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY WARN THEM TO LEAVE???????????????
I am a "dupe" for nobody, simply recognizing the reality of what every court of law in every civilized nation has held for centuaries. And by the way, "Zionist" simply means one who recognizes Israel's right to exist, so no, that time will also NEVER "draw to a close" because those like you who support REAL genocide while condemning what you make up as your own definition of the term are the ones who are rapidly being exposed for the filthy mouthed, anti-Semites you truly are. OUT OF MY SIGHT!!
True practitioners of Judasim (or Christianity or Isalm for that matter) do not support the murderous, land grabbing, racist, Zionist regime.
Like the Boy who cried wolf, the Zionists have used the anit-semite slur so often that it is now meaningless and when the real anti-semites come, nobody will be listening.
You and your ilk will be responsible for the next pogrom
ONE MORE FUCKING TIME, "ZIONIST" ONLY MEANS THE RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST!!! So in that way every Jew (and every sane non-Jew for that matter) is a Zionist. No "murder" because there's no intent. No "land-grabbing"-- only land they ever took was as war prizes (a practice as old as time) from wars where THE ARABS WERE THE AGGRESSORS!!! And no, we reserve the anti-Semitic label for those like you who support the genocidal quests of Hamas and its ilk. Nothing inaccurate there
Your filthy anti-Semitic mouth is the one cheering on the next pogram as we speak, so don't give me any bullshit about us inflicting anything on ourselves. That's Hamas's job--both against us, AND against THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!!
Zionism is racism. And imperialism and war crimes and occupation.
Zionists try to wrap themselves in the mantle of Judaism but they consistently violate the moral tenets of that faith. Zionism is anti-judaism And fools like you who speak of the two as if they are one in the same will cause great harm to jews. Shame on you and your under-developed brain
You're the one who referred to it--but it's an effort to eliminate the Jews-- precisely what the Nazi's did, and what Hamas and its ilk are undertaking, without a PEEP of condemnation from psychopaths like you, I might add. No "racism" in the acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist--you clearly have no clue of the definition of the other three terms if you use them in relation to Israel. The "war crimes" committed are only by HAMAS--like targeting civilians while hiding behind their own
What is the nonsense about demanding acknowledgement of the "right to exist"? No other nation in the world demands this. The actual demand is that everyone acknowledges that Israel is a Jewish State. What racism. Imagine if the US demanded to be known as a Christian state. Organized Jewry would be leading the vocal opposition (and rightfully so).
Israel hides behind the European Holocaust of 65 years ago to push their genocidal agenda against the Palis -- just what the Nazis did
That would be because most other nations in the world don't have neighbors who have VOWED TO DESTROY THEM!!! Any nation about whom that is the case has EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND THIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT!!!! I don't see you accusing Iran or other Arab nations of "racism" when they insist on being "Islamic" nations. THEY HAVE NO "GENOCIDAL AGENDA"--if they did, they wouldn't warn civilians to leave!!! And Israel's legitimate formation had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust--it was in the works LONG before
For one thinking they recognize an "underdeveloped brain" that's a pretty gorgeous piece of logic indeed--so it's "anti-Jewish" to recognize the right to exist of a Jewish homeland legitimately and lawfully established by the U.N. out of territory controlled by the British, which they could do whatever they pleased with. Right. What a fucking psychopath you are. PATHETIC!!!!
Look at the 1946 map of the land that was "lawfully established by the U.N. out of territory controlled by the British".
Now look at the map of Israel and the occupied territories. If you cannot see the obvious imperialism of the Zionists, I question the existence, never mind the development, of your brain.
And if you don't remember which wars have resulted in the expansion of Israel's territory ('48 War of Independence and '67 Six-Day War) and who the AGRESSORS in each of these wars were--(THE ARAB NATIONS, in case you're too dense to make that connection), then YOU'RE the one without a brain, though I've known that for a while, given your inability to prcess simple logic
Clearly Israel was the aggessor in 1967, seeing as how they attacked first, the entire was was fought outside of Israel, they won easily in a mere six days and added large swaths of territory that they continue to occupy more than four decades later.
I mean, for the love of God, if you think Israel was only defending itself in that was you are completely brainwashed
READ A GODDAMN HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEERA, YOU SICK SON OF A BITCH!!!! ISRAEL WAS NOT THE AGGRESSOR IN 1967 OR IN ANY OTHER WAR THEY HAVE EVER FOUGHT!!!! Yes, they won, their enemies underestimated them. One more time, when you beat back an aggressor who has tried to destroy you, you have EVERY RIGHT to take buffer zones, to say nothing of the fact that they've offered to give that land back time after time for the bargain price of their enemies abandoning their genocidal quest
Surely you aware Israel struck first, bombing the Egyptian Air force in 1967? Surely you are aware that the entire was was fought outside of Israel? You certainly know Israel won easily in six short days. And you must know that Israle snapped up the Golan Hgts, W Bank, et al -- lands that they continue to occupy over 40 years later.
Knowing all these facts, how can you state that Israel was not the aggressor? Please provide some detail and avoid the childish name calling
Surely I know that Israel may have fired the first actual shot. But apparently you don't know that the Egyptian army was lining up its artilary on Israel's boarder, as well as blocking all of its shipping routes. Those are both BLATANT ACTS OF WAR that constitute being the aggressor by ANY standard of battle ever established. I'm aware they took war prizes as buffer zones against future attacks.
What we do know is that Israel did -- not "may have" -- launch a massive bombing raid on Egypt to start the 67 war.
Egypt was not blocking Israel's shipping routes -- unlike today, where Israel is doing that and much more to Gaza (surely Hamas is entitled to fire rockets in response to this "blatant act of war"?)
If Egypt was so ready for war and line up in Israel's border, how is it the entire war was fought outside of Israel and that Egypt was so soundly routed in six days? Common sense.
ONCE AGAIN, READ A HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEEERA, YOU SICK FREAK!!! They MOST CERTAINLY were blockading Israel's shipping routes--Israel is doing nothing of the sort--simply setting up checkpoints to ensure no WEAPONS hitch rides through those shipping routes, given that this is a patented Hamas tactic. Pretty damn simple--Israel kept the fight from ever going into Israel by fighting them while they were still lined up on the boarder, and were much stronger than Egypt calcuated.
Yes, I do. The only thing they do is make sure that anything that comes through doesn't have any WEAPONS hitching a ride with it, which once again is a patented tactic of Hamas.
More importantly, I'm also aware they've many times offered to give all of that land back for the bargain basement price of their enemies dropping and renouncing their genocide attempts, and have been rebuffed every time. Maybe if their enemies don't refuse it the NEXT time Israel bends over backwards to accomodate its sworn enemies to show how much they want peace, maybe there won't have to be any further military operations in the future.
First off, the occupied lands are not Israel's to bargain with. Their occupation is illegal and under international law and UN mandate they are required to give back the lands they stole via war.
Second -- do you really believe Israel offered to give the Pals what they are asking for and the Plas turned oit down? Do ypu apply any common sense before swallowing their propaganda?
NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT TAKING WAR PRIZES AS BUFFER ZONES WHEN YOU BEAT BACK AN AGGRESSOR!!! Your question is very telling. No, the Israelis did not offer to give the Palestinians "what they are asking for" because what they are asking for is Israel's destruction. That, they will NEVER achieve. But, if you read a history book not published by Al-Jazeera, you would learns, that yes, indeed, Israel has repeatedly offered to give those lands back for the renouncing of terror, and been refused
Actually, it is very much illegal to acquire land via war. This law was adopted by the international community following WWII in response to Nazi Germany's aggression. It seems to apply to everyone except the Jewish State.
Of course Israel has tried to give the occupied lands back and Palis have turned it down. That makes tons of sense.
Very key point here that you semi-acknowledge. It was added in response to Nazi AGGRESSION. What it does not apply to is not specifically a Jewish state, but rather to circmstances where you have beaten back an aggressor AGAINST you, and are taking the land as buffer zones against future attacks. It is illegal to annexe lands from wars of aggression, but Israel has never done either one of these things.
I most certainly do have knowledge, and that law does not cover beating back an aggressor, something Israel has NEVER been, not ONCE in her history. The FACTS regarding the circumstances leading up to the '67 War are well established, and not simply "spouted" by Israel, they are recognized by every legitimate historian there is, as well as the fact that Egypt's actions constituted acts of war in any standard of battle you will ever find. GET WITH IT, AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SIGHT
When Israel strikes first, wins easily, fighs the entire war outside her borders, and annexes land that she continues to occupy over 4 decades later, there is no reasonable person who thinks Israel was not the aggressor. Just a little common sense, please.
Nonetheless, international law does not distinguish between wars of defense and wars of aggression. A nation cannot annex and populate land acquired via any war, period.
Maybe use you "common sense" READ A HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEERA!!!! I'll say it one more time--EGYPT WAS LINED UP FOR WAR ON ISRAEL'S BOARDER AND WAS BLOCKADING ALL OF ITS SHIPPING ROUTES, AND NOT JUST TO LOOK FOR WEAPONS!!! Those are BLATANT ACTS OF WAR!!!! And yes, international law DOES make those distinction. And by the way, Israel did not "annexe" those lands--they never intended to make them part of Israel--just to use them as buffer zones.
"Annexing" those lands would be what an imperialist power not interested in peace would do. Israel, on the other hand, only took them as things that could be given back in exchange for dropping the quest for genocide. But their enemies have shown time and time again, that their bile-filled hate is stronger than their desire for any of those lands to be returned. Read a little about Barak's offers in 2000--this could have been put to rest then. But nope, once again, genocide took priority
Another thing I don't understand is how your mind controlled by your filth-spewing, anti-Semitic, genocide applauding, terror-sympathizing brain makes the jump from a gross miscalculation of the strength of Israel's army by those who wish to destroy her, thus causing a relatively easy victory for Israel somehow translates to Israel being the "aggressor"--one has nothing to do with the other. One more time, Israel prevented the fight from ever going into Israel by beating the aggressors back
What a fucking broken record you are!! Firing the first shot doesn't constitute being the "aggressor" when the acts on Egypt's part that preceded this were BLATANT ACTS OF WAR BY ANY STANDARD!! And again, the location of the fighting is IRRELEVANT to who the aggressor was!!!! Taking buffer zones is not "annexing"--that's when you make the territory part of your own nation--Israel never did that. And once again, they have offered to return it time and time again!!!
I call you genocide applauding because you have uttered not a PEEP condemning HAMAS!!!--the ones waging the genocidal quest. Terrorists and genocide are defined by the INTENT TO KILL CIVILIANS, YOU SICK SON OF A BITCH!!!--THAT IS SOMETHING HAMAS HAS AND ISRAEL DOES NOT, AS EVIDENCED BY THEIR WARNINGS TO THE CIVILIANS TO LEAVE THE AREAS WHERE THE REAL TERRORISTS ARE HIDING!!!!! SO YES, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!!!!!!!!
What we do know, is that Israel kills 100 times (not 2 times, not 10 times, but 100 times!) as many people as those you call terrorists. And you support this.
It is clear who the genocide applauder is and it ain't me
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT INTENT IS EXTREMELY KNOWABLE BY THE ACTIONS THAT PRECEDE OTHER ACTIONS!!!!!!?????? ISRAEL'S WARNINGS TO THE CIVILIANS TO LEAVE THE AREAS WHERE THE TERRORISTS ARE HIDING MAKE THEIR INTENT CRYSTAL CLEAR, AND IT'S NOT TO KILL ANY OF THE CIVILIANS!!!!!!!! And unintended killings (which really Hamas is responsible for most of them, since they often prevent escape) do not qualify as genocide.
I'VE EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND TIMES, YOU THICK-HEADED FOOL!!! It's because they don't "launch" ANY wars, they only beat back aggressors, and they don't "steal" any lands, they take them as buffer zones against future attacks, and offer to give them back time and time again for the bargain price of renouncing terrorism, and get rebuffed each and every time. THAT'S WHY, YOU SICK, FILTH SPEWING, ANTI-SEMITIC, GENOCIDE APPLAUDING, TERROR SYMPATHIZING, PSYCHOTIC SON OF A BITCH!!
I also notice that given yet ANOTHER chance to prove me wrong in my categorization of you as a genocide applauder by issuing a few words of condemnation against the REAL terrorists here--HAMAS!!!! you fail to do so yet agains. Thus, you have once again proved the accuracy of my categorization, especially when you try to redefine the term to make it independent of intent, despite that being universally part of the definition.
You condemn the people who killed 1,400 in Gaza earlier this year and over 1,000 in Lebanon three summers ago and I will condemn Hamas, who killed three Israelis this year
Well good, because the people who killed those in Gaza would also be Hamas, because Israel gave them the chance to evacuate, and they either chose not to do so (in which case they killed themselves) or were prevented from leaving by Hamas, in which case the responsibility falls squarely on their evil shoulders. So, I condemn Hamas both for the killing of their own people and for the killing of Israelis, both in the past year, and in the years leading up to that.
But if any Israeli soldier ever does actually target a civilian, I certainly condemn that as well. But any time that happens, said soldier is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in Israel, as well they should be, because Israel's policy is to try everything in the power to AVOID killing civilians. But those cases, while they have happened, are the rare exception, and certainly not the rule or condoned in ANY WAY by the powers that be in Israel. You show me the Palestinians doing that!!
Of course it makes "tons of sense" when you remind yourself that what the Palestinians want is not simply the return of the lands taken as buffer zones after Israel beat back multiple aggressors--what they want is ISRAEL'S DESTRUCTION--so yes, they will down the returns of those lands when the price is the dropping and public renouncing of their genocide quests. Apparently that's too high a price for them to pay. Until that changes, nothing else will change.
Yes I do think about it, because it's neither "absurd" nor is it "propaganda"--that would be the things YOU are saying. And yes, they want to do both, but if they were to get those lands back from Israel, they would have to end their quest to destroy it, which apparently they never will. Thus, they made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.
Well, first of all, it never was "their" land--Gaza and Sinai were Egypt (and in case you've forgotten, Israel made that precise deal with Egypt and gave Sinai back), West Bank was Jordanian before Israel's neighbors tried in '67 to destroy her, and Golan was Syria. There never WAS "Palestinian land"--they had their chance in '47, but of course they chose more Jew slaughter over the statehood they could have achieved then. But yes, Israel has made that very offer to the PA time and time again
Nor was it ever the Palestinians' land. And no, international law doesn't require anything, because it doesn't govern the taking of buffer zones as deterrents against future attacks and as bargaining chips to be returned in exchange for ensured survival. No governing of that in international law. That only covers imperialist aggression--something that doesn't apply here. Dare I remind you of Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza in '05--rewarded by rocket attacks, of course!!
Then that birth certificate is a forgery. In the 1930's that land was controlled by the British, and had been so since World War I, before which it had been part of the Ottoman Empire. So I'll say again, READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEERA!!! And no, international law doesn't require anything in this situation, because there is nothing in international law governing land as buffer zones taken by a nation beating back an aggressor, only land taken from imperialist aggression
Only the "facts" from sources like Al-Jazeera. The ACTUAL facts do support the statements I am making, and yes, since I do recognize Israel's right to exist, in that way, you can call me a Zionist. That's not a dirty word because that is all it means
Precisely--because all of you sick, anti-Semitic nutcases who do not recognize Israel's right to exist and heartily cheer on the genocidal efforts to destroy it consider all who DO recognize that right as being dirty. And yes, if it does say "the government of Palestine" it is most certainly a forgery, because one more time, if you read a history book noty published by Al-Jazeera, you would discover that in the 1930'a that territory was under BRITISH control. No "fantasy" there, just HISTORY!!!
Hmmm... An actual document issued by the Govt. of Palestine vs. your vision of reality found only in your head.
Israel killing thousands while Hamas kills less than double figures = genocidal efforts against Israel. Israeli killing cheered on by you means I am anti semitic.
Then maybe they called themselves "the government of Palestine" but that distunction existed only in their own minds, because the territory was under control of the British. Deny this, and you deny history. Hamas makes no secret of it being a genocidal effort--they're proud of it, and apparently your sick mind is proud of them too. Israel's killings they try to avoid. I cheer nothing on, but they gave the chance to leave and it either isn't taken or is prevented by Hamas--then THEY are to blame
I didn't deny that there may have been something that called itself the "government of Palestine"--but its legitimacy existed only in their own minds, because the British controlled the territory and was intending to use it for two different states, one for the Jews and one for the Palestinians. Trouble was, the Palestinians turned down their state in favor of further genocide crusades.
It's an even stranger world you live in when a country that does everything in its power to prevent killing civilians by doing something that no other army in the world does--warning innocents to leave long before military operations begin--is thwarted in those efforts by the very monsters they're fighting in the first place, and yet they're still held to blame for deaths they tried to prevent and were only prevented from preventing this by Hamas themselves. A very strange world indeed
Do you honestly believe that? When Israel launched a secret attack on Gaza, timing it to maximize the number of kids it would kill? When it steered people into "safe" places like UN schools and then blew those schools up?
Don't you require any facts to support your views?
I most certainly do, and there are precisely ZERO "facts" to back up any of your bullshit. It is NOT a "secret attack, timed to maximize the number of kids it would kill" when their planes had spent the last several days dropping leaflets on every place Hamas members were hiding, warning every civilian in the area to evacuate, and this was confirmed by every objective news source on the face of this planet--the only ones who deny it are your darling fellow genocide cheerleaders Al-Jazeera.
That UN school, by the way, was still in the areas that had been warned to evacuate--Israel didn't "steer" anyone there. Hamas very well might have, while planning to launch their next string of rockets from right behind that school, thus putting themselves in perfect position to get more of their own civilians killed and then blame their deaths on Israel. Typical of Hamas, of course, who, once again given the chance to condemn, you fail to do so. Genocidal maniac
Who honestly has the spine to say that they were justified in bombing a school full of people because they saw a few militants shooting rockets nearby. Not to mention that Israeli officials have never provided any proof to these claims through physical evidence or witness testimony, while their is lots of witness test
Al Jazeera is the only network that brings the truth lol.
JamesRideout123 10 months ago
Zionism is a plague to the earth
E2XHipHop 1 year ago
Vote for Anthony Mele
ecoastdude 1 year ago
Vote for Anthony Mele
ecoastdude 1 year ago
Great interview Shihab Rattansi, keep it up!
mamui65 2 years ago 5
gadsden47 2 years ago
Revelations 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
papapharoh 2 years ago
Brilliant job by the interviewer throwing Engel off guard too. A suggestion to Al Jazeera though. Stop focusing on the motivations for bombing children. The real question is would any civilized nation with the capability of precision strikes be able to justify killing children if it means killing a handful of militants. Imagine if here in the us our cops dropped a bomb on a school because a gunman was inside. The notion is absurd!!. Why is it ok over in Israel?
mrfinn9 2 years ago
It doesn't matter how precise you can be, when the terrorist hide behind civilians and trap them inside their death zone, there's very little you can do. But at that point, those doing the trapping become responsible for the deaths, not the ones who had to protect their people from those psychopaths.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Now to claim that Israel does not target civilians is absurd. Israeli military policy is to "educate" the terrorists. This means to kill enough civilians and destroy enough property in order to show the organizations and the people the repurcussions of any act against Israel. Well. I am not saying this. This is the policy of the Israeli govt. Just google Israeli leadership/ disproportionate force.
You will get a plethora of quotes supporting this. And yes....they are in context.
mrfinn9 2 years ago
"Educating" the terrorists, is just that--the policy is to do that to the terrorists, not to civilians. It is meant to show them that terrorism will NEVER yield concessions. Once they renounce terrorism, things will change drastically, because Israel is the one who actually wants peace, but you need a viable peace partner for that--something they don't have ANY semblance of right now.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Ok Adeal. Did hamas build the walls and the checkpoints around GAZA? Who is holding who? It would be like the US dropping a 2k lbs Jdam on San quentin because a prisoner would not leave his cell. It is absurd to argue that Israel was not the ones holding the residents of Gaza in Gaza. Most of the world recognizes Gaza as a prison. To use your logic....The Nazis were justified in the slaughter in the Warsaw Ghetto..."there is little you can do". They had to kill the psychos.
mrfinn9 2 years ago
Israel didn't bomb all of Gaza at once. There were plenty of areas within Gaza they could have evacuated to. They weren't the ones holding them in the neighborhoods where the terrorists were hiding. No, it would be like if that "prisoner" was firing off ROCKETS from his cell that were aimed at the civilians of the town nearest the prison. Gaza is a SELF-INFLICTED prison. They stop smuggling weapons, the "prison walls" are taken down immediately.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
As to your sick comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto, the difference there is there was no one within that Warsaw Ghetto who was trying to eliminate the nation of Germany, nor did they have a "government" within that ghetto trying to do anything like that. If there had been, they would have been justified in warning the residents to get out and then clearing out those who were threatening them. Nice try anyway, thanks for playing. Come back when you learn a little more about logic and comparisons
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Actually anyone who thinks anti semite means anti jew is an idiot and just spitting out crap that they heard. Arabs and jews are both semites. The semites are a language group. Hebrew and arabic are both semitic languages. Continued.....
mrfinn9 2 years ago
Answer to 3:53
AIPAC, That's why.
Cairo ( Egypt ) & Saudi Arabia = They agree cuz' they are puppet regimes of the U.S., of course they will agree.
MrMP81 2 years ago
Shihab Rattansi, GREAT, as always! Thank you.
Nis8Nis 2 years ago
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Because American do not know the truth. When Saddam Hussain use chemical weapon against kurd then it is crime in the eye of US. But when Israel use chemical weapon (White Phosphorous) against palatina then it is not a crime in the eyes of US because it will be Anti Semitic according to US constitution. Any thing done by Israel is not supported treat as a Anti Semitic to Jews according to US constitution.
MonsterIsrael 2 years ago
Any country around the world and less US can't tolerate hold politicians with two different passports and nationalities. Obviously Engel more than a Jewish is an Israeli that prefer serve the Israel's interest than the US
englishbook77 3 years ago
If only American journalists would be so confrontational, we wouldn't be in the big mess we're in.
bluegreenproject 3 years ago
time to run the zionists out of america
italstal07 3 years ago 3
You could also just vote. Many of the Zionists in this country are evangelist Christians. If you disagree with them you should organize politically.
erunacycle 3 years ago 2
Eliot Engel dosn't know what disproportionate use means? In 7 years 17 Israelis have died from rocket fire ..Israel killed over 1300 in Gaza within a 2 month period. That is what disproportionate means...The Israeli Jews' consciousness is characterized by a sense of victimization, a siege mentality, blind patriotism, belligerence, self-righteousness, dehumanization of the Palestinians and insensitivity to their suffering.
intuitronpaul 3 years ago 4
And a large majority of those 1300 that Israel killed in Gaza were HAMAS MEMBERS!!!! And even those who were civilians aren't exactly innocent victims in the truest sense of the world, because they were the ones who voted in a government who makes no secret of the fact that there SOLE raison d'etre is the DESTRUCTION of Israel. Thus, anyone who voted for Hamas knew full well they were voting for Israel to be destroyed, thus becoming a legitimate enemy of Israel.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
what an idiot
keith7260 2 years ago
Meaning Kucinich, the terror apologist, I hope.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
No, meaning you. I guess you are Israeli or Jewish, and therefore blind to the truth, however, knowing something is sure to happen as a result of actions you take, and then taking that action, is the same as intending it to happen. So that tired excuse is wasted on anyone with a brain. But of course, Israel does murder Palestiians daily anyway, so forget semantics.
keith7260 2 years ago
What I am is irrelevant--I am in no way blind to any facts. And no, in legal terms that is nowhere NEAR the same as intending it to happen, especially in cases when they give every opportunity to PREVENT it from happening, such as dropping leaflets to warn the civilians far in advance, giving them ample opportunity to evacuate. So no, they don't intend to kill civilians--they only to kill terrorists. Any civilians killed are the responsibility of the monsters called Hamas who trap them in
ADEAL416 2 years ago
What you are is obviously key to the issue. Murderers, don't think they are evil. As for the legal definition of intention, it is a favourite Israeli position,but you are wrong. Targeted assassinations are murder, bulldozing houses with people inside, is murder, the bombing of Gaza, murder. But naturally, Israel will get away with it. Get a lawbook not written in Israel. I'm a US and Uk trained lawyer, but I'm sure its different in Israel.
keith7260 2 years ago
Not if the people being assassinated are terrorists or terror sympathizers or facilitators. Bulldozing houses is not murder when those houses were being used as weapons caches and those in the houses were given the chance to evacuate--same with Gaza, they were going after HAMAS!!!! That makes THEM responsible. I think YOU'RE the one reading a lawbook written by Al-Jazeera correspondants.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
I AM reading lawbooks written outside of Israel. Ok, you claim to be a U.S. and UK trained lawyer--ok, so here's a quiz for you. A policeman shoots at an armed known murderer who's shooting at him. Some innocent bystanders get caught in the cross-fire and are killed. Who's charged with the murder? The policeman? OR THE ONE WHO WAS SHOOTING AT HIM!????!!!!! Don't even try to answer the policeman. And it's the SAME WITH ISRAEL AND HAMAS, YOU TWISTED NUTCASE!!!!!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Unlike you, I am a lawyer, and do know the law, so I know you are a fool in that respect. What else you are remains hidden, for good reasons, I am sure. that scenario, is a good fantasy, but a thousand innocent bystanders at least, who the invader, not policeman, deliberately targeted, in order to hopefully kill suspects, not known murderers, targeting schools, hospitals, ambulances, etc in the process, is a more accurate setting. Don't worry, what goes round, comes round. What goes up, falls.
keith7260 2 years ago
As expected, you ducked the question, probably because you realize that the answer exposes how utterly indefensible your raving bullshit really is. Israel's not the "invader" here, buster. They UNILATERALLY WITHDREW from Gaza four years ago in case you weren't aware of that, and were rewarded by the same amount of time of CONSTANT rocket fire, and EVEN THEN there's no "targeting" of anyone or anything other than TERRORISTS and TERRORIST SAFE HAVENS.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
You must be one HELL of a lousy lawyer (or just shamelessly lying to yourself) if you're trying to claim that other people and objects besides terrorists or terror safe havens being HIT somehow demonstrates that they were TARGETED. THEY WEREN'T!! Those "thousands of innocent bystanders" (not even close to that, actually) VOLUNTARILY STAYED IN A WAR ZONE! Their deaths became THEIR responsibility when terrorists are hiding among them, they're warned to leave and they don't. Pure and simple
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Maybe so, guilty clients tend to blame the lawyer for their convictions, no matter how clear the guilt, so you do sound familiar. Of course Israel doesn't fire at civilians, nor do they occupy the territory of others, or use white phosphorous. It doesn't try to hold on to land acquired in war, nor did it starve Gaza during the blockade, even when no rockets were fired. Israel is the peaceful beacon of the Middle East, and all of the 600 women and children killed in Gaza deserved it., naturally.
keith7260 2 years ago
Those are the first true statements you have made so far. Except that I never said all of the women and children (not even close to that figure, by the way) "deserved it"--I said they weren't the targets and anyone who voted in Hamas WAS fair game. The children may have been innocent victims, but they were the victims of their parents not taking them to safety when they had the chance or of the monsters of Hamas if they prevented escape, not of those trying to clean their areas of terrorists.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Whereas none of the statements you have made are true, International law holds that Israel is in illegal occupation. It is demonstrable that Israel illegally uses white phosphorous, It is obvious that Israel fires at civilians without any regard for Palestinian life whatsoever, and as for the blockade, please, a blind man could see it. However, Obama isn't Bush, and Israel dances to America's tune since America funds that war machine. So lets see what happens next.
keith7260 2 years ago
They ALL are true. It is obvious that Israel bends over backwards to AVOID civilian deaths--even dropping warning leaflets giving opportunities to evacuate ANY targeted areas. NO OTHER ARMY IN THE WORLD DOES THAT YOU SICK FREAK!!!! Nothing illegal about any "occupation"--those lands were seized after wars THE ARAB COUNTRIES STARTED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DESTROYING ISRAEL. And yes, a blind man could see that the blockade is only as long as they try to smuggle weapons through the boarders
ADEAL416 2 years ago
That white phosphorus, by the way, way only aimed at the TERRORISTS WHO LIVE TO DESTROY ISRAEL!!!!!!!! What will happen next? Well if the Palestinans renounce terrorism and work to stop it, they'll have statehood very quickly. If, once again, they choose Jew slaughter and seeking Israel's destruction over their own statehood, they will remain in their self-inflicted prison until their choice changes
ADEAL416 2 years ago
LOL. Saddam only aimed at gassing rebel Kurds too. It's unfortunate those women and children got in his way.
You can't aim white phosporous. That's a ridiculous proposition.
johnedwards1968 2 years ago
No sir, Saddam didn't give a SHIT about the women and children. Israel gave the AMPLE opportunity to evacuate the areas before ANY weaponry was used against those genocidal monsters known as HAMAS!!!! THEY are the ones you should be comparing to Saddam, not the ones who are only trying to stop constant unashamed civilian TARGETED attacks against their population. HOW DARE YOU!!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Ha ha ha--your funny! I love people who think things are ALL black or ALL white, ALL right or ALL left, ALL up or ALL down, with no in between.I always look at the age of someone who makes these kind of statements--99% born during the "Reagan" years i.e.,"twenty something".
You have learned well my child.
Since you know (informed person) about "genocide" What'd you think of the 30 MILLION (India) Indians STARVED TO DEATH BY the BRITISH EMPIRE during the 1800's? Thanks for making me laugh!
van1976 2 years ago
In case it's not clear---This is a response to "ADEAL415".
"This Bud's for you" (oops--there goes that jinggly advertisement ingrained in my brain) I mean "This one's for you".
van1976 2 years ago
Where did I ever defend anything the British empire did? I didn't even mention that. And what the FUCK does that have to do with this? And no, not everything is black and white, but a few things are. And one of them is "genocide" requires INTENT to wipe out a race, nation or creed. And unless terrorists qualify as one of those three, Israel has no such intent--the Palestinians do, by their own proud, sick admission. End of story
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Actually no....Civilian loses are the responsibility of the one who caused them. It is the duty of the attacker (not a statement of cause ...merely of who launched a specefic attack) to ensure that the collateral damage is minimal and that civilian targets are not specifically targeted. And , further, that civilians are not indirectly attacked (food, medicine, water, electricity). It is not Hamas' job to protect Gaza...It is Israels job not to kill civilians. Source...geneva conventions
mrfinn9 2 years ago
Not when they weren't the targets and were given the chance to evacuate. They most certainly were NOT specifically targeted. The fact that some were killed in no way shows that they were the targets, and anyone who knows ANYTHING about the Israeli army knows that their very firm and strict policy is NEVER to directly target civilians. I know people who have to abide by that very policy buster. And it IS Hamas's job not to trap its own civilians inside the neighborhoods they hide in.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
And given that more than half of those killed were children, what are you saying? People are entitled to vote in the But again, this is talking to the deaf and blind, I know. Israel is the best reminder that the West is no neutral supporter of fairness and justice, but a supporter of terrorist friends.
keith7260 2 years ago
First of all those statistics are utter bullshit. The VAST majority killed were Hamas members. And yes, people are entitled to vote, but a vote for Hamas is a vote for the destruction of Israel, and everyone knows it, because it's in Hamas's charter, which they have NEVER renounced. So anyone who did vote for Hamas is fair game. And if they get the chance to evacuate their children (which they will ALWAYS) get before any attack) and don't take it, THEY become responsible for those deaths.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
And you would know this because you knew all the dead personally? Funny. You say a vote for Hamas is a vote for Israel's destruction, Israel is only relevant as a monster. . Hamas and Hezbollah arose as resistance movements to Israeli actions, but are relevant far beyond that. Israel broke the ceasefire, not Hamas. By your words, voting for Hamas entitles Israel to kill you, and if you don't run from murderers they have a right to kill you. You are insane, or IDF, probably the same thing.
keith7260 2 years ago
Nope, neither of the above, just cognisant of facts and legitimate rules of warfare. No I don't know all the dead personally, but I do know the legitimate figures. Yeah, those groups arose in response to an "Israeli action"--the "action" of EXISTING!!!! (Even though they were legitimately formed by the U.N.) Hamas had NEVER ABIDED BY THE CEASE FIRE IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU FOOL!!! The ceasefire stipulated ZERO rocket attacks, and they continued daily all throughout this supposed "cease-fire"
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Actually, Hamas did abide by the ceasefire, it is universally accepted that Israel broke the ceasefire on election night, for obvious reasons, to provoke Hamas into fighting back so they could wipe Hamas out before a new President came in. Pulled out of Gaza on inaugaration as well. All the dead were killed for cynical, murderous reasons. How many Israelis have these rocket attacks killed over the years? 17? Contrast with the 1300 in ths incident alone. Not counting the other thousands killed.
keith7260 2 years ago
"Universally accepted" my fucking asshole. Maybe they made the formal statement that this mirage of a ceasefire was not being pretended to anymore, but HAMAS NEVER ABIDED BY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! THE ROCKET FIRE WAS CONTINUOUS ALL THROUGHOUT THE SUPPOSED "CEASEFIRE" And of those 1300, you didn't bother to mention well over half were HAMAS MEMBERS, you thick-headed fool. Any who weren't had ample chance to evacuate ahead--they chose not to or Hamas trapped them in--THEIR responsibility
ADEAL416 2 years ago
And anyway, they should have taken Hamas out the day the came to power. A government whose sole purpose in existing is to wipe out one of its neighbors does not have the right to rule anyone and is fair game at ALL times
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Well there at last you are honest. If the neighbour's child doesn't like me because I steal his lunch, pocket money and anything else I want, because I can, then of course I should kill him, or at least beat him severely, with my father's bat, of course. After all, he has the right to run away, so he deserves what he gets. Because I was once oppressed, oh sorry, my parents were.
keith7260 2 years ago
NOTHING to do with who was oppressed at what time and who wasn't. It has to do with the fact that both groups had legitimate historical claim to the land (and not just from biblical times either). Nothing was "stolen" from anyone. And no, it's not at all like that. More like if the neighbor's child could have chosen his family and he chose a family whose only desire in the world is to kill me. Then yes, making a choice of someone who exists to destroy another makes one fair game themselves.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Thats rubbish. In line wit the usual Holocaust excuses and propaganda, you said the Warsaw Ghetto comparison was sick. I know the history as well as you do, so we both know that Israel's claims to East Jerusalem, and that the building and expansion of settlements on occupied land, are based on nothing other than superior force, a desire to control all the water and take what they can. All the while, claiming that those they kill and steal from are the terrorists. Almost funny, almost.
keith7260 2 years ago
That would be because they ARE the terrorists. THEY'RE THE ONES TARGETING CIVILIANS--THE DEFINITION OF TERRORISM. ISRAEL IS NOT!!!!! Did you read a WORD I just said???? I made perfectly clear that the Holocaust is NOT the basis for Israel's existence, it simply sped up a process that was already in the works for years, based on legitimate historical presence. And no we "both" don't know that. What those who know the actual FACTS and not the propaganda know is those territories are war prizes
ADEAL416 2 years ago
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That would be because they ARE the terrorists. THEY'RE THE ONES TARGETING CIVILIANS--THE DEFINITION OF TERRORISM. ISRAEL IS NOT!!!!! Did you read a WORD I just said???? I made perfectly clear that the Holocaust is NOT the basis for Israel's existence, it simply sped up a process that was already in the works for years, based on legitimate historical presence. And no we "both" don't know that. What those who know the actual FACTS and not the propaganda know is those territories are war prizes
ADEAL416 2 years ago
The practice of taking war prizes when you beat back an aggressor (which the Arabs have been in EVERY war that Israel has EVER been involved in)--Israel had the right to ANNEXE those territories, and they didn't even do that. They simply hold on to them as buffer zones--and have offered to give them ALL back time and time again for the simple price of recognition by the Arab nations of their right to exist, and this has been turned down over and over and over again. Maybe now this will change.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
The Warsaw comparison IS sick, because there was no one inside that ghetto who was trying to destroy Germany and kill every civilian in the country--very unlike Gaza and Israel. So that one is COMPLETELY null and void. Try again.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Agree.
Israel's treatment of the Gazans is much worse than what the Nazis did in the Warsaw ghetto
oldjoe5 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The psycho genocide applauder is back!!! I'll say this very slowly so even a sick maniac like you can understand it. THE. NAZIS'. AIM. WITH. THE. WARSAW. GHETTO. WAS. TO. BEGIN. THE. PROCESS. OF. EXTERMINATING. ALL. JEWS. WHO. POSED. NO. THREAT. TO. GERMANY!!! WHAT. ISRAEL. DOES. IN. GAZA. IS. FOR. THE. SOLE. PURPOSE. OF. STOPPING. TERROR. ATTACKS. BY. THOSE. WHO. MAKE. IT. THEIR. LIFE. MISSION. TO. DESTROY. ISRAEL.!!!! Clear enough for you????????
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Kill arabs, cry anti-semitism
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Kill Arabs who you give every chance to leave before you take out the terrorists hiding amid them and using them as human shields, and yes, point out anti-Semitism from nutcases like you who have BLATANTLY applauded the GENOCIDAL quest of monsters like Hamas and want to tie Israel's hands in stopping them. You're sick. Get some help!!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
You cheer on the mass murder of thousands of Gazans and W Bankers and accuse those who oppose it of hatred and racism.
IDF outkills Hamas 100 to 1 and you accuse Hamas of genocide and applaud Israel.
If Hamas is a monster, then Israel is Satan
oldjoe5 2 years ago
No, I cheer on no "murder" because unless there is INTENT to kill civilians (which there is NONE on Israel's part) it is not "murder" except ones that can be charged to HAMAS because THEY were the ones who prevented the civilians from leaving when Israel tried to facilitate their evacuation before beginning military operations to clean out the terrorists. HAMAS is the one ATTEMPTING, UNABASHEDLY to slaughter as many Israeli civilians in cold blood as they possibly can.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
And no, it is not your "opposition" to Israel's action against terrorists that makes you racist, or more specifically anti-Semitic, that's simply a function of your woeful uninformedness. What earns you the title I gave you is your blatant applauding of Hamas' genocidal quests.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
What nonsense. Israel kills 100 noncombatants for every one killed by Hamas.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Whether your Al-Jazeera statistics are true or not (they're not) you still fail to grasp the little aspect called INTENT!!!!!! Hamas's INTENT is to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, which your filthy, Jew hating mouth applauds enthusiastically. Israel's INTENT is to STOP TERRORISM while giving the civilians caught in the middle by their monster government's quest for genocide every chance to get themselves away from that situation. They either choose not to or are trapped by Hamas
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Alleged intent.
It is absurd to think that the folks who kill one person are doing it on purpose while the ones who kill 100 are not. That is purely nuts
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Not when Hamas is UNABASHED about their intent to slaughter as many civilians in cold blood as is only possible, and not when the "100" were warned to leave and either chose not to or were trapped where they were by the monsters who made the military operations necessary in the first place. That, Mr. Anti-Semitic, Genocide-Cheerleading, Filth-Spewing Psychopath, is not "alleged" intent, it is DEMONSTRABLE intent!!!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Yes, Hamas has unabashadly killed less than 10 Israelis in the past year while Israel has morally killed thousands of Gazans.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
And unabashedly made perfectly clear that their goal is to kill every last Israeli in that nation and destroy it--which once again, you cheer them on from the sideline in that genocidal goal--while every single civilian death at the hands of Israel was attempted to be avoided by giving ample warning to evacuate and done ONLY for the purpose of stopping terror attacks, not to destroy the Palestinians--only the terrorists among them.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Israel does everything possible to not kill Palis -- yet kills thousands of them.
Hamas swears to kill every single Israeli and tries to do so -- yet kills less than ten.
Did the thought ever cross your mind that you might be the victim of nonsensical propaganda?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Yeah, when you have monsters like Hamas trapping civilians inside the war zone neighborhoods after they've been warned to leave, actually that makes quite a bit of sense. When you have that to contend with, there isn't much more you CAN do to prevent killing civilians beyond that. Once they've given warnings and Hamas traps them in, THEY become responsible for any deaths that occur. And Hamas has killed FAR more than ten, and its in THEIR OWN proud, sick words that they swear to destroy Israel
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Of course. Israel bombs and starves and used White Phosphorus on the Gazans and Lebanese, but the fault lies elsewhere.
I cannot remember a time when Israel was ever responsible for their actions
oldjoe5 2 years ago
That would be because they NEVER target civilians in their attacks. Those weapons are intended ONLY for the terrorists in the areas they go after. They try to get the civilians out. They would be responsible for those deaths if they were INTENDING to kill these civilians and if they did not warn them to evacuate. But inconveniently for you, they don't and they do. So yes indeed, the fault DOES lie with the monsters known as HAMAS!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
There may be individuals Israeli soldiers who have deliberately killed civilians, but they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law by the Israeli government. Similarly, there may be the occasional nutcase in Israel who may call for genocide against Palestinians, but certainly no one in their government, because no one with such a position could ever get elected there. Israel has NEVER had a government that made destruction of the Palestinians its platform--quite unlike Hamas
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Israel kills thousands of civilians, period. Intent is not knowable, but the fact that israel has killed many thousands of noncombatants is just a fact.
"Platforms" and "charters" and such are just words. I judge the actors by their deeds. And Israel is a sick dog
oldjoe5 2 years ago
After warning them to leave what will soon become a war zone because of terrorists hiding there. Intent is very easily known by the actions that preceed other actions. Thus, simple logic (something you seem to have ZERO ability to process) would indicate that since they warn the civilians who would be put in danger by anti-terror operations to leave and give them ample opportunity to do so, it's pretty damn clear that their intent is NOT to kill civilians.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Once said civilians are warned to leave, their fate is then in their own hands, at this point they have no one to blame for anything that happens to them but themselves if they choose not to leave, or Hamas if they prevent them from leaving. Now quit wasting my time, you fithy-mouthed, genocide cheerleading, hate-mongering anti-Semite!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Mass murders like Israel need to be shut down
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Maybe if we shut down the REAL "mass murderers" --like HAMAS!!!! none of those other so-called "mass murders" (which, of course, aren't "murders" at all since there's ZERO intent to kill civilians and efforts made to get those civilians out of there before ANY anti-terror operations are undertaken) would be a problem in the first place. NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FILTHY ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Hamas has killed 18 Israelis with "rockets" in 8 plus years while Israel killed 1,400 gazans and 1,000 Lebanese in two three week bursts.
Now tell me again, why is it that Hamas is a mass murderer but Israel, which has killed 100 times as many, is not
oldjoe5 2 years ago
First of all, those figures are utter bullshit. Most of the Palestinians killed were HAMAS. I've answered your question 10,000 times, but in the faint hope that it might actually register the 10,001st time, I'll answer it again--BECAUSE "MURDER" REQUIRES INTENT!!! ISRAEL'S INTENT IS TO TAKE OUT TERRORISTS, AND WHAT IS DONE IS ONLY DONE AFTER WARNING ANY CIVILIANS WHO MIGHT GET CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE TO LEAVE!!! HAMAS PROUDLY HAS THAT INTENT--HOW BAD THEIR AIM MAY BE IS IRRELEVANT!!!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
No, the figures are accurate.
What is amazing is that when Israel drops bombs and chemicals on Gazans and Lebanese, killing @ 2,500 hundred of them, that you don't hold Israel responsible...instead claiming a lack of intent. It is astounding how many times israel has killed bunches of people without ever intending to
oldjoe5 2 years ago
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE INTENT, YOU SICK FREAK!!! THEY WARNED THEM ALL TO LEAVE BEFORE THEY DID ANY OF THIS!!!! Not to mention that you never bother to check how many of those killed were HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH--BOTH GROUPS SWORN TO DESTROY ISRAEL!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Astounding how often Israel kills and how many people they kill given their lack of intent to do so.
So astounding that rational people might question Israel's alleged lack of intent -- and the willingness of folks like you to believe it
oldjoe5 2 years ago
All Human Rights Orgs who have studied what happen concur that the vast majority of those killed were civilians, not Hamas.
Warn them? israel launched a surprise attack to catch the kids returning home from school. Don't you know this?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS??!!! MY FUCKING ASSHOLE!!! None of them ever said a WORD about Hamas's genocide quests. Their credibility is SHOT!!!! Yes, warned them. Pamphlets were dropped for days on end before ANY operation started, warning to evacuate. Where are you getting this "surprise attack to catch kids" bullshit? From your fellow genocide cheerleaders at Al-Jazeera?? If you "know" that, you're the only one on this planet, because those who live in the real world know otherwise.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Look at you. You think all the nonpartisan human rights orgs, along with the UN, who studied what happened in Gaza are lying and that the IDF, who committed the crimes, are telling the truth.
I can never understand how people like you cannot see how ridiculous you are
oldjoe5 2 years ago
That would be because they are not "non-partisan human rights orgs"--the fact that they never uttered a PEEP of condemnation against HAMAS gives that fact away conclusively. It isn't just the Israeli soldiers telling the reality of this situation, it's numerous other independent media outlets, many of which are not exactly Israel's best friends, but at least they have some semblance of honesty in them, unlike you
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Now you have the babies who were blown to bits by IDF bombs or burned by chemicals responsible for their own deaths because the elected martyrdom? The victim is to blame,. not the Israeli gunmen?
Wow! You Israeli apologists are effin nuts
oldjoe5 2 years ago
In cases of any babies killed, that would be their PARENTS' responsibility for not taking them the fuck out of those areas when given ample opportunity to do so--not too surprising, given the interviews they've done with Palestinian mothers who say their biggest dream for their newborn babies is for them to become suicide bombers. Or, again, in some cases the responsibility of anyone who may have tried to prevent them from leaving if their parents DID seize the opportunity to do so.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Nope, sorry genocidal psychopath, we just recognize reality. YOU'RE the one being an apologist for the REAL terrorists here--HAMAS!!! Never heard you suggest that they knock the fuck off their genocide quests, and then none of this would have happened in the first place. Why don't you work on getting THEM to stop, if you really want to save Palestinian lives. Because once they renounce terror, their people will be perfectly safe and won't ever need to be warned to evacuate.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Israel attacked GAZA with the full force of its potent and modern military, killing over 1,400 people, the vast majority of whom were noncombatants (every single source -- and commonn sense -- makes this clear), allegedly in response to "rockets" that killed ZERO people in the previous six months.
And you call Hamas the genociders? nd think you are the one who sees reality?
Has your insanity no bounds?
You stupid SOB
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Yes, they attacked HAMAS with the full force of its potent and modern military-- the only way to CRUSH an enemy sworn to DESTROY ISRAEL!! Again, how bad the terrorists' aim has been recently is IRRELEVANT!!--one final time, they do so ONLY after warning ANY civilians who would get caught in the crossfire, to LEAVE--EVACUATE--and give them AMPLE time to do so. Those areas were supposed to be EMPTY of non-combatants when the anti-terror ops began--if they weren't, that's no longer Israel's problem
ADEAL416 2 years ago
So yes, indeed, HAMAS IS the genociders, because they are the ones with INTENT to slaughter civilians. Israel has NONE!!!--only to CRUSH HAMAS!!!! They are the ONLY ARMY IN THE WORLD that warns civilians to get out before military action is taken--once they do that, any deaths their anti-terror operations cause after that point cannot be called "murder" or certainly not "genocide" because previous actions demonstrate beyond any doubt that there is NO INTENT to kill A SINGLE CIVILIAN!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Genocide takes place when you actually kill large numbers of a specific group. This is what Israel does and hamas does not. Alleged intent or lack of intent has nothing to do with it.
Stop being such a dupe of the Zionists. Their time is drawing to a close
oldjoe5 2 years ago
It has EVERYTHING to do with intent--you have intent to kill civilians, specifically foir who they are, it's GENOCIDE--or perhaps in Hamas's case, attempted genocide, because they will NEVER succeed in destroying Israel, but certainly cold-blooded MURDER!! Killing absent intent to do so is none of the above, in fact when Hamas prevents the civilians who have been warned to leave from doing so, THEY are actually guilty of genocide--AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Intent is not knowable -- although it seems clear that Israel intends to kill plenty of civilians seeing how often they do so ans how many they kill when they do go on a spree.
Let's deal with the facts and the facts show that israel kills a whole helluva lot more people than Hamas does. Not even close
oldjoe5 2 years ago
YOU FUCKING DUMBASS!!!!! How many times do I have to explain to you that intent is knowable BY THE ACTIONS THAT PRECEED OTHER ACTIONS??????!!!!!! The fact that they warn the civilians to LEAVE before ANY ANTI-TERROR OPERATION ever begins CLEARLY SHOWS that they have no intent to kill those civilians. IF THEY INTENDED TO KILL THEM, WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY WARN THEM TO LEAVE???????????????
ADEAL416 2 years ago
I am a "dupe" for nobody, simply recognizing the reality of what every court of law in every civilized nation has held for centuaries. And by the way, "Zionist" simply means one who recognizes Israel's right to exist, so no, that time will also NEVER "draw to a close" because those like you who support REAL genocide while condemning what you make up as your own definition of the term are the ones who are rapidly being exposed for the filthy mouthed, anti-Semites you truly are. OUT OF MY SIGHT!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
True practitioners of Judasim (or Christianity or Isalm for that matter) do not support the murderous, land grabbing, racist, Zionist regime.
Like the Boy who cried wolf, the Zionists have used the anit-semite slur so often that it is now meaningless and when the real anti-semites come, nobody will be listening.
You and your ilk will be responsible for the next pogrom
oldjoe5 2 years ago
ONE MORE FUCKING TIME, "ZIONIST" ONLY MEANS THE RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST!!! So in that way every Jew (and every sane non-Jew for that matter) is a Zionist. No "murder" because there's no intent. No "land-grabbing"-- only land they ever took was as war prizes (a practice as old as time) from wars where THE ARABS WERE THE AGGRESSORS!!! And no, we reserve the anti-Semitic label for those like you who support the genocidal quests of Hamas and its ilk. Nothing inaccurate there
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Your filthy anti-Semitic mouth is the one cheering on the next pogram as we speak, so don't give me any bullshit about us inflicting anything on ourselves. That's Hamas's job--both against us, AND against THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
What's a pogram?
Zionism is racism. And imperialism and war crimes and occupation.
Zionists try to wrap themselves in the mantle of Judaism but they consistently violate the moral tenets of that faith. Zionism is anti-judaism And fools like you who speak of the two as if they are one in the same will cause great harm to jews. Shame on you and your under-developed brain
oldjoe5 2 years ago
You're the one who referred to it--but it's an effort to eliminate the Jews-- precisely what the Nazi's did, and what Hamas and its ilk are undertaking, without a PEEP of condemnation from psychopaths like you, I might add. No "racism" in the acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist--you clearly have no clue of the definition of the other three terms if you use them in relation to Israel. The "war crimes" committed are only by HAMAS--like targeting civilians while hiding behind their own
ADEAL416 2 years ago
What is the nonsense about demanding acknowledgement of the "right to exist"? No other nation in the world demands this. The actual demand is that everyone acknowledges that Israel is a Jewish State. What racism. Imagine if the US demanded to be known as a Christian state. Organized Jewry would be leading the vocal opposition (and rightfully so).
Israel hides behind the European Holocaust of 65 years ago to push their genocidal agenda against the Palis -- just what the Nazis did
oldjoe5 2 years ago
That would be because most other nations in the world don't have neighbors who have VOWED TO DESTROY THEM!!! Any nation about whom that is the case has EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND THIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT!!!! I don't see you accusing Iran or other Arab nations of "racism" when they insist on being "Islamic" nations. THEY HAVE NO "GENOCIDAL AGENDA"--if they did, they wouldn't warn civilians to leave!!! And Israel's legitimate formation had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust--it was in the works LONG before
ADEAL416 2 years ago
For one thinking they recognize an "underdeveloped brain" that's a pretty gorgeous piece of logic indeed--so it's "anti-Jewish" to recognize the right to exist of a Jewish homeland legitimately and lawfully established by the U.N. out of territory controlled by the British, which they could do whatever they pleased with. Right. What a fucking psychopath you are. PATHETIC!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Look at the 1946 map of the land that was "lawfully established by the U.N. out of territory controlled by the British".
Now look at the map of Israel and the occupied territories. If you cannot see the obvious imperialism of the Zionists, I question the existence, never mind the development, of your brain.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
And if you don't remember which wars have resulted in the expansion of Israel's territory ('48 War of Independence and '67 Six-Day War) and who the AGRESSORS in each of these wars were--(THE ARAB NATIONS, in case you're too dense to make that connection), then YOU'RE the one without a brain, though I've known that for a while, given your inability to prcess simple logic
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Clearly Israel was the aggessor in 1967, seeing as how they attacked first, the entire was was fought outside of Israel, they won easily in a mere six days and added large swaths of territory that they continue to occupy more than four decades later.
I mean, for the love of God, if you think Israel was only defending itself in that was you are completely brainwashed
oldjoe5 2 years ago
READ A GODDAMN HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEERA, YOU SICK SON OF A BITCH!!!! ISRAEL WAS NOT THE AGGRESSOR IN 1967 OR IN ANY OTHER WAR THEY HAVE EVER FOUGHT!!!! Yes, they won, their enemies underestimated them. One more time, when you beat back an aggressor who has tried to destroy you, you have EVERY RIGHT to take buffer zones, to say nothing of the fact that they've offered to give that land back time after time for the bargain price of their enemies abandoning their genocidal quest
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Surely you aware Israel struck first, bombing the Egyptian Air force in 1967? Surely you are aware that the entire was was fought outside of Israel? You certainly know Israel won easily in six short days. And you must know that Israle snapped up the Golan Hgts, W Bank, et al -- lands that they continue to occupy over 40 years later.
Knowing all these facts, how can you state that Israel was not the aggressor? Please provide some detail and avoid the childish name calling
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Surely I know that Israel may have fired the first actual shot. But apparently you don't know that the Egyptian army was lining up its artilary on Israel's boarder, as well as blocking all of its shipping routes. Those are both BLATANT ACTS OF WAR that constitute being the aggressor by ANY standard of battle ever established. I'm aware they took war prizes as buffer zones against future attacks.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
What we do know is that Israel did -- not "may have" -- launch a massive bombing raid on Egypt to start the 67 war.
Egypt was not blocking Israel's shipping routes -- unlike today, where Israel is doing that and much more to Gaza (surely Hamas is entitled to fire rockets in response to this "blatant act of war"?)
If Egypt was so ready for war and line up in Israel's border, how is it the entire war was fought outside of Israel and that Egypt was so soundly routed in six days? Common sense.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
ONCE AGAIN, READ A HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEEERA, YOU SICK FREAK!!! They MOST CERTAINLY were blockading Israel's shipping routes--Israel is doing nothing of the sort--simply setting up checkpoints to ensure no WEAPONS hitch rides through those shipping routes, given that this is a patented Hamas tactic. Pretty damn simple--Israel kept the fight from ever going into Israel by fighting them while they were still lined up on the boarder, and were much stronger than Egypt calcuated.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Israel is doing nothing of the sort?
Really?
Israel controls every single person and thing that can go into or come out of Gaza. You dispute this?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Yes, I do. The only thing they do is make sure that anything that comes through doesn't have any WEAPONS hitching a ride with it, which once again is a patented tactic of Hamas.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
More importantly, I'm also aware they've many times offered to give all of that land back for the bargain basement price of their enemies dropping and renouncing their genocide attempts, and have been rebuffed every time. Maybe if their enemies don't refuse it the NEXT time Israel bends over backwards to accomodate its sworn enemies to show how much they want peace, maybe there won't have to be any further military operations in the future.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
First off, the occupied lands are not Israel's to bargain with. Their occupation is illegal and under international law and UN mandate they are required to give back the lands they stole via war.
Second -- do you really believe Israel offered to give the Pals what they are asking for and the Plas turned oit down? Do ypu apply any common sense before swallowing their propaganda?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT TAKING WAR PRIZES AS BUFFER ZONES WHEN YOU BEAT BACK AN AGGRESSOR!!! Your question is very telling. No, the Israelis did not offer to give the Palestinians "what they are asking for" because what they are asking for is Israel's destruction. That, they will NEVER achieve. But, if you read a history book not published by Al-Jazeera, you would learns, that yes, indeed, Israel has repeatedly offered to give those lands back for the renouncing of terror, and been refused
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Actually, it is very much illegal to acquire land via war. This law was adopted by the international community following WWII in response to Nazi Germany's aggression. It seems to apply to everyone except the Jewish State.
Of course Israel has tried to give the occupied lands back and Palis have turned it down. That makes tons of sense.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Very key point here that you semi-acknowledge. It was added in response to Nazi AGGRESSION. What it does not apply to is not specifically a Jewish state, but rather to circmstances where you have beaten back an aggressor AGAINST you, and are taking the land as buffer zones against future attacks. It is illegal to annexe lands from wars of aggression, but Israel has never done either one of these things.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
You have zero knowledge of the international law.
Also, when Israel strike first, which it nearly always has, that is not a defensive war, no matter what BS they spout
oldjoe5 2 years ago
I most certainly do have knowledge, and that law does not cover beating back an aggressor, something Israel has NEVER been, not ONCE in her history. The FACTS regarding the circumstances leading up to the '67 War are well established, and not simply "spouted" by Israel, they are recognized by every legitimate historian there is, as well as the fact that Egypt's actions constituted acts of war in any standard of battle you will ever find. GET WITH IT, AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SIGHT
ADEAL416 2 years ago
When Israel strikes first, wins easily, fighs the entire war outside her borders, and annexes land that she continues to occupy over 4 decades later, there is no reasonable person who thinks Israel was not the aggressor. Just a little common sense, please.
Nonetheless, international law does not distinguish between wars of defense and wars of aggression. A nation cannot annex and populate land acquired via any war, period.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Maybe use you "common sense" READ A HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEERA!!!! I'll say it one more time--EGYPT WAS LINED UP FOR WAR ON ISRAEL'S BOARDER AND WAS BLOCKADING ALL OF ITS SHIPPING ROUTES, AND NOT JUST TO LOOK FOR WEAPONS!!! Those are BLATANT ACTS OF WAR!!!! And yes, international law DOES make those distinction. And by the way, Israel did not "annexe" those lands--they never intended to make them part of Israel--just to use them as buffer zones.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
"Annexing" those lands would be what an imperialist power not interested in peace would do. Israel, on the other hand, only took them as things that could be given back in exchange for dropping the quest for genocide. But their enemies have shown time and time again, that their bile-filled hate is stronger than their desire for any of those lands to be returned. Read a little about Barak's offers in 2000--this could have been put to rest then. But nope, once again, genocide took priority
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Israel took them period.
That is against international law period.
Stop buying the excuses
oldjoe5 2 years ago
They're not "excuses"--they're FACTS!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Another thing I don't understand is how your mind controlled by your filth-spewing, anti-Semitic, genocide applauding, terror-sympathizing brain makes the jump from a gross miscalculation of the strength of Israel's army by those who wish to destroy her, thus causing a relatively easy victory for Israel somehow translates to Israel being the "aggressor"--one has nothing to do with the other. One more time, Israel prevented the fight from ever going into Israel by beating the aggressors back
ADEAL416 2 years ago
israel struck 1st, fought the entire war outside her borders, won easily in six damn days, and annexed lands she still occupies 40 plus years later.
I mean, how much clearer could it be?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
What a fucking broken record you are!! Firing the first shot doesn't constitute being the "aggressor" when the acts on Egypt's part that preceded this were BLATANT ACTS OF WAR BY ANY STANDARD!! And again, the location of the fighting is IRRELEVANT to who the aggressor was!!!! Taking buffer zones is not "annexing"--that's when you make the territory part of your own nation--Israel never did that. And once again, they have offered to return it time and time again!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Firing the first shot does not make one the aggressor?
I could have sworn that is exactly what makes one the aggressor -- at least everywhere but in Zion world
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Israel of late has killed 100 times as many people as have those it terms terrorists. And you support israel.
Why is it you call me "genocide applauding"? Does that make any sense at all?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
I call you genocide applauding because you have uttered not a PEEP condemning HAMAS!!!--the ones waging the genocidal quest. Terrorists and genocide are defined by the INTENT TO KILL CIVILIANS, YOU SICK SON OF A BITCH!!!--THAT IS SOMETHING HAMAS HAS AND ISRAEL DOES NOT, AS EVIDENCED BY THEIR WARNINGS TO THE CIVILIANS TO LEAVE THE AREAS WHERE THE REAL TERRORISTS ARE HIDING!!!!! SO YES, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!!!!!!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Intent is not knowable.
What we do know, is that Israel kills 100 times (not 2 times, not 10 times, but 100 times!) as many people as those you call terrorists. And you support this.
It is clear who the genocide applauder is and it ain't me
oldjoe5 2 years ago
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT INTENT IS EXTREMELY KNOWABLE BY THE ACTIONS THAT PRECEDE OTHER ACTIONS!!!!!!?????? ISRAEL'S WARNINGS TO THE CIVILIANS TO LEAVE THE AREAS WHERE THE TERRORISTS ARE HIDING MAKE THEIR INTENT CRYSTAL CLEAR, AND IT'S NOT TO KILL ANY OF THE CIVILIANS!!!!!!!! And unintended killings (which really Hamas is responsible for most of them, since they often prevent escape) do not qualify as genocide.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
I still don't get why Israel is never responsible for all the killing they do, all the wars they launch, all the lands they steal and occupy.
Why is it always someone else's fault?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
I'VE EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND TIMES, YOU THICK-HEADED FOOL!!! It's because they don't "launch" ANY wars, they only beat back aggressors, and they don't "steal" any lands, they take them as buffer zones against future attacks, and offer to give them back time and time again for the bargain price of renouncing terrorism, and get rebuffed each and every time. THAT'S WHY, YOU SICK, FILTH SPEWING, ANTI-SEMITIC, GENOCIDE APPLAUDING, TERROR SYMPATHIZING, PSYCHOTIC SON OF A BITCH!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
I also notice that given yet ANOTHER chance to prove me wrong in my categorization of you as a genocide applauder by issuing a few words of condemnation against the REAL terrorists here--HAMAS!!!! you fail to do so yet agains. Thus, you have once again proved the accuracy of my categorization, especially when you try to redefine the term to make it independent of intent, despite that being universally part of the definition.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Tell ya what.
You condemn the people who killed 1,400 in Gaza earlier this year and over 1,000 in Lebanon three summers ago and I will condemn Hamas, who killed three Israelis this year
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Well good, because the people who killed those in Gaza would also be Hamas, because Israel gave them the chance to evacuate, and they either chose not to do so (in which case they killed themselves) or were prevented from leaving by Hamas, in which case the responsibility falls squarely on their evil shoulders. So, I condemn Hamas both for the killing of their own people and for the killing of Israelis, both in the past year, and in the years leading up to that.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
But if any Israeli soldier ever does actually target a civilian, I certainly condemn that as well. But any time that happens, said soldier is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in Israel, as well they should be, because Israel's policy is to try everything in the power to AVOID killing civilians. But those cases, while they have happened, are the rare exception, and certainly not the rule or condoned in ANY WAY by the powers that be in Israel. You show me the Palestinians doing that!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Of course it makes "tons of sense" when you remind yourself that what the Palestinians want is not simply the return of the lands taken as buffer zones after Israel beat back multiple aggressors--what they want is ISRAEL'S DESTRUCTION--so yes, they will down the returns of those lands when the price is the dropping and public renouncing of their genocide quests. Apparently that's too high a price for them to pay. Until that changes, nothing else will change.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Palestinians refuse to accept their lands back cu they want to destroy Israel?
Why not do both?
Do you even think about the absurd propaganda that you faithfully swallow and then regurgitate?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Yes I do think about it, because it's neither "absurd" nor is it "propaganda"--that would be the things YOU are saying. And yes, they want to do both, but if they were to get those lands back from Israel, they would have to end their quest to destroy it, which apparently they never will. Thus, they made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
So all the Palis do is promise to not destroy Israel and Israel will give them all their land back?
My God, not even you can possibly believe that!
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Well, first of all, it never was "their" land--Gaza and Sinai were Egypt (and in case you've forgotten, Israel made that precise deal with Egypt and gave Sinai back), West Bank was Jordanian before Israel's neighbors tried in '67 to destroy her, and Golan was Syria. There never WAS "Palestinian land"--they had their chance in '47, but of course they chose more Jew slaughter over the statehood they could have achieved then. But yes, Israel has made that very offer to the PA time and time again
ADEAL416 2 years ago
It was not Israel's land. International law requires they return it.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Nor was it ever the Palestinians' land. And no, international law doesn't require anything, because it doesn't govern the taking of buffer zones as deterrents against future attacks and as bargaining chips to be returned in exchange for ensured survival. No governing of that in international law. That only covers imperialist aggression--something that doesn't apply here. Dare I remind you of Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza in '05--rewarded by rocket attacks, of course!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
In fact, it was Palestine. I have a copy of a birth certificate issued by the "government of Palestine" in 1930.
"international law doesn't require anything" Really? Now I am starting to think you are just plain retarded
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Then that birth certificate is a forgery. In the 1930's that land was controlled by the British, and had been so since World War I, before which it had been part of the Ottoman Empire. So I'll say again, READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK NOT PUBLISHED BY AL-JAZEERA!!! And no, international law doesn't require anything in this situation, because there is nothing in international law governing land as buffer zones taken by a nation beating back an aggressor, only land taken from imperialist aggression
ADEAL416 2 years ago
I am sorry the facts do not support the Zionist progaganda
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Only the "facts" from sources like Al-Jazeera. The ACTUAL facts do support the statements I am making, and yes, since I do recognize Israel's right to exist, in that way, you can call me a Zionist. That's not a dirty word because that is all it means
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Zionist is a dirty word to everyone who is not one.
The birth certificate is real. Just because reality intrudes on your fantasy Zion world it does not cease to be reality
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Precisely--because all of you sick, anti-Semitic nutcases who do not recognize Israel's right to exist and heartily cheer on the genocidal efforts to destroy it consider all who DO recognize that right as being dirty. And yes, if it does say "the government of Palestine" it is most certainly a forgery, because one more time, if you read a history book noty published by Al-Jazeera, you would discover that in the 1930'a that territory was under BRITISH control. No "fantasy" there, just HISTORY!!!
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Hmmm... An actual document issued by the Govt. of Palestine vs. your vision of reality found only in your head.
Israel killing thousands while Hamas kills less than double figures = genocidal efforts against Israel. Israeli killing cheered on by you means I am anti semitic.
That's a strange little world you are living in
oldjoe5 2 years ago
Then maybe they called themselves "the government of Palestine" but that distunction existed only in their own minds, because the territory was under control of the British. Deny this, and you deny history. Hamas makes no secret of it being a genocidal effort--they're proud of it, and apparently your sick mind is proud of them too. Israel's killings they try to avoid. I cheer nothing on, but they gave the chance to leave and it either isn't taken or is prevented by Hamas--then THEY are to blame
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Millions of official birth certificates issued by the Government of Palestine vs. your desire not to believe.
oldjoe5 2 years ago
I didn't deny that there may have been something that called itself the "government of Palestine"--but its legitimacy existed only in their own minds, because the British controlled the territory and was intending to use it for two different states, one for the Jews and one for the Palestinians. Trouble was, the Palestinians turned down their state in favor of further genocide crusades.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
It's an even stranger world you live in when a country that does everything in its power to prevent killing civilians by doing something that no other army in the world does--warning innocents to leave long before military operations begin--is thwarted in those efforts by the very monsters they're fighting in the first place, and yet they're still held to blame for deaths they tried to prevent and were only prevented from preventing this by Hamas themselves. A very strange world indeed
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Do you honestly believe that? When Israel launched a secret attack on Gaza, timing it to maximize the number of kids it would kill? When it steered people into "safe" places like UN schools and then blew those schools up?
Don't you require any facts to support your views?
oldjoe5 2 years ago
I most certainly do, and there are precisely ZERO "facts" to back up any of your bullshit. It is NOT a "secret attack, timed to maximize the number of kids it would kill" when their planes had spent the last several days dropping leaflets on every place Hamas members were hiding, warning every civilian in the area to evacuate, and this was confirmed by every objective news source on the face of this planet--the only ones who deny it are your darling fellow genocide cheerleaders Al-Jazeera.
ADEAL416 2 years ago
That UN school, by the way, was still in the areas that had been warned to evacuate--Israel didn't "steer" anyone there. Hamas very well might have, while planning to launch their next string of rockets from right behind that school, thus putting themselves in perfect position to get more of their own civilians killed and then blame their deaths on Israel. Typical of Hamas, of course, who, once again given the chance to condemn, you fail to do so. Genocidal maniac
ADEAL416 2 years ago
Who honestly has the spine to say that they were justified in bombing a school full of people because they saw a few militants shooting rockets nearby. Not to mention that Israeli officials have never provided any proof to these claims through physical evidence or witness testimony, while their is lots of witness test