Inside Story - Global food crisis - 29 Apr 08 - Part 1

[Jai666666666]

Give a poor farmer a chance, half have been flooded and killed by global destruction around the planet. Please look at my file on Global Catastrophes on my blog..., I'll be making a dozen of them, 200 videos each to remind the world that it's going down now, not in a million years, not by 2050, it's going down right now!!!

[Jai666666666]

That's The Way You Do It, Get Your Money For Nothing And Your Checks For Free!!! 1984!!!

[Jai666666666]

I Want My MTV!!!

[ZeitGeistGlobal]

id even put America on that list of disease and poverty!

[ZeitGeistGlobal]

nuke a country infested with poverty and disease!!!!!!!! The land you got left use to grow for the poor!!!!!

[charbonelle]

NOT THE CASE FOR MY COUNTRY

Spectre1234: The average woman in sub-saharan africa has 5.5 children.

Specrte 1234: There is just not enough space and resources, unless you start cutting down large swaths of African jungle.

The largest jungle on the CONTINENT of Africa is in the DRCongo, MY COUNTY, a nation that has been severely DEPOPULATED during the Leopold, Belgian, Mobutu and the Great Lake War (comprised of 7 armies, 85 multinational and several mercenary firms) lasting 10 YEARS!!!

[charbonelle]

GREAT LAKE WAR lasted 10 years after Mobutu's overthrow.

[charbonelle]

The DEPOLPULATION of my country is due to war and political conflict making access to the ABUNDANT resources inaccessible to the people.

With such circumstances Africans argue that human resources are vital to the reconstruction of a country as large as the DRCongo, if there is HIGH FERTILYTY in other African countries and they wished to settle in my country, one could argue that such a migration would be beneficial to redevelopment/reconstruction efforts in the DRC.

[Muraabit]

I blame the speculators as well as the food retailers who hoards all the foods deliberately in order to push up the prices, nowadays, we don't consider the value of satisfaction as a mean of interest but, we have blinded ourselves by how to generate more profits. What we need is a whole new bureaucracy that allows people to demand what they want otherwise steps should be taken by the government and if they don't do anything for the people, I don't see any option but revolution.

[FrickinLaserBeam]

I demand a foot massage and a sandwhich. Sound arbitrary? Too bad, when you're not the one in charge. How about a new out of touch bureaucracy enforced the government that will force YOU to do it or throw you in jail and take your property. Your idea a seed for socialism and ultimately failure. Read "The Road to Serfdom" by Hayek. Really.

[Muraabit]

I demand that a rice of 10kg which is produced abundantly not to exceed more than 8$ and so on...that's the demand that we or i seek. If the government pumps billions of dollars of fiat currency in the economy, this might encourage large food companies who purchase unprocessed food products from producers for less (law of supply and demand like if they produce more than the consumer need, the unprocessed food prices are going down)

[Muraabit]

P2

and then process it further in order to sell it thrice as much they bought thus generating enourmous profit, so why doesn't the government step in and say to the large food companies, allow the consumers to make decision how much they'd like to pay for the food products with the condition that the corporations makes profit with some significant marge?

[Muraabit]

P3

What happens if the government where I live take my property without my consent except if I'm in debt? I'm at war with them. But anyway, Arab countries are already investing in agriculture so they won't be dependent on the western agri market anymore and beside they are rich in resources as well and once oil has run out, they'll definitely switch on solar panels.

[FrickinLaserBeam]

By all means the government should get out of the way and let the consumers dictate what they want from their suppliers. That is the point I attempted to make. No one, particularly the governments, should confiscate any property. Again, less government intervention, maintain property rights, let the market speak. Freidman.

[Muraabit]

then we have something to agree upon although i dont agree at all with milion friedman's views.

[charbonelle]

DUH IS MORE IN DE MORTAR DAN DE PESTLE

Thats why I was trying to understand the foundations of your argument in order to find some areas of consistency alongside the position taken by AFRICAN (activist, academic and community based organizations). Based on your comments I have concluded the following:

[charbonelle]

WHERE YOU AGREE: Some African families have grown larger in the late 20th century, due to changes in the food supply.

WHERE YOU DISSAGREE: Is on the ROOT causes for this GROWING challenge which would lead to more efficient REMEDIES to reverse the trend.

[charbonelle]

I appreciate your passion for the subject and encourage you to continue studying the matter from a VARIETY of sources but particularly the AFRICANS themselves. Their voices are often marginalised in the mainstream press; please try to look at it from THEIR point of view. VOICES FROM AFRICA IS A GOOD START.

[charbonelle]

I appreciate your participation and feedback (lol I'm starting to feel bad for you. You must have a lot of difficulty getting a date) ?!

ONE-SMART DEAD AT TWO SMART DOOR LOL...BAJANs are funny!!!!

THANK YOU,

Charbonelle

[charbonelle]

AM I SLOW? _NO

AM I MISUNDERSTANDING YOUR POINT?_YES

YOU WROTE...

spectre1234: ...the fact that in the 20th century many African countries were net exporters of food, and had a rapidly growing population BECAUSE OF IT.

LETS REVIEW: population growth (in Africa) is CAUSED by Net export of food.

Your agrument seems to be based on this premise. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU explained the relationship between population and food exports?

[charbonelle]

I AGREE!!!!

As a professor of agriculture noted in a letter to The Economist : In Africa, South Asia and Central America most small farmers consume more food than they produce. A majority are net food-buyers who make ends meet by working off-farm, and they suffer along with the urban poor and landless rural folk when food prices rise The root challenge is to improve the low productivity of 1.5 billion small farmers in the developing world.

[charbonelle]

ACCESS TO PRODUCTIVE RESSOURCES= SELF-SUFFECIENCY

The late 20th century has introduced NEW rules for organizing access to resources. Before that era, most Africans depended on land where they KNEW that 5 people can be supported. They organized their resources and developed methods of conservation that made such arrangements sustainable. THIS IS A FACT, how else could one describe how Africans have lived on the CONTINENT for more than 500 000 years. (cont)

[charbonelle]

(cont) The NEW rules adopted by AFRICAN GVMTS have destroyed efficient distribution and access to productive resources. SURELY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ARGUE THE FACT THAT THESES GVMTs HAVE DESTROYED THEIR OWN SOCIAL INFRASTRUCTRE IN THE PROCESS.

[charbonelle]

1-I stand corrected (on the first point)

2-I will study your recommended sources

3-net exporters of food, and had a rapidly growing population because of it. Therefore ECONOMIC conditions tied to international TRADE triggered the population growth, AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY?

4- This video IS about food PRICES (i.e ppl around the world stuggling to BUY the most basic food stuff), I am curious, how does population affect food prices (according to you)?

[charbonelle]

1- AFRICA IS A CONTINENT NOT A COUNTRY

2- PLEASE PROVIDE SOURCES DEPICTING THE POPULATION OF ALL 61 TERRITORIES.

3- THE PEOPLE OF AFRICA HAVE LIVED ON ITS VAST TERRITORIES FOR OVER 500 000 YEARS, IF ECONOMICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, THAN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE CURRENT GROWTH PATTERN?

4- DEFORESTATION: are you saying that the logging company is going to cause this or the indegenous ppl(TWA) praticing for over HALF A MILLION YEARS the stewardship of the natural world.

[charbonelle]

ECONOMIC CLAPTRAP???

"This is a classic market failure you got a billion ppl STARVING to death vs. a billion ppl EATING themselves to death in the world. These two sides of the equation are not syncing or meeting in equal equilibrium mostly because the rich countries can subsidize their farmers (see DUMPING) and this is absolutely destroying the purchasing powers of the poor counties. And these two have a joint cause in the faulty economic policy of the banks of these Western economies."

[charbonelle]

"Big agricultural business and the banks who make the loans for the poor pplto barrow money to buy food, of course the bank benefit, the banks are part of a corrupt global banking system which seeks long term interest rates at any cost and this is a huge problem we need to have banks to act more responsively bringing the cost of money up in the Western part of the world to pay more for food"(contd)

[charbonelle]

"...the price for food in America is too cheap, the price of food in Africa is too high these two have to seek equilibrium. It starts in the banking facilities, this is where the two meet and this is what has to be done. But you dont hear bankers talking about that because they like to point the problems at other areas"(contd)

[charbonelle]

"...the price of the food itself is the function of the money supply figureThe billion of ppl who are starving to death is a twin problem with the billion ppl who are eating themselves to death, this equilibrium has to be achieved through saner banking and interest rate policies."

Max Keiser (more @ MaxKeiserTv)

[charbonelle]

Fact: Africa is not POOR it is IMPOVRISHED. Depriving the ability of the domestic private sector to strengthen the economy through proper management and allocation of resources. Current economic policies has confined capital and resources in the hands of the elite. A market oriented economicy prevents the depletion or draining of PRODUCTIVE resources.

We remain poor because of the world trading and monetary systems

Julius Kabarage Nyere, the first President of Tanzania

[llaoll]

eat shit

[palmina77italiana]

GOD will never let us go hungry! Watch the movie with Kirk Cameron about United Nations wanting to run the world? What's that movie called? I forget

[llaoll]

perhaps the only lacking is vitamin B6, if you take a vitamin B complex you you be safe and dandy

[combatsambonyc]

You have a degree in opinions, just like six billion others on this planet.

[llaoll]

if people ate vegetables and not meat, there would be enough food for everybody. a lot of food gets fed to cows each year that humans could eat. and this soil cold be used to produce vegetables for humans instead of animal feed

[vanityfox451]

Hi llaoll,

I noticed your inteligent comment and felt I had to reply. I've been following a site for months now which covers the issues you raised. The site can be Googled and is called:-

Chris Martenson

Crash Course

It covers so many facets on environment, economy and energy in such great detail that I couldn't possibly explain in full detail inside the limits of 500 characters, yet,I'm sure in my mind that you will find the films and information compelling and useful.

Kind Regards

[llaoll]

thanks mate

[LcoolJfiveoh]

the human population is growing exponentially.

and the demand to feed all these people is increasing therfore we will level more forest and put more strain on the planets resources

to keep up with growing demand

in twenty years all imported food around the world will have to go just to china

the situation is simuliar to a elastic band twisting and twisting... eventualy it will snap and we have reached the breaking point

[tehuda]

Tha analyst from New York speaks very funny English.

[micerl]

He is French. Thank you for playing!

[parikemal02]

Starcatcher778:

You must be speaking out of your ass. I can say a lot of hurtful things right now you mothe@@@-ing cocksu@#er, but I am not going to. However,Starcatcher778, keep your uneducated, racist, judgemental comments to yourself! You dickslap!

[lastnymleft]

Good analysis. I wasn't aware that the foodstuffs are being priced in USD, and are therefore affected by the flood of dollars on the market. Just like oil. The value of the USD goes down, so it takes more to buy commodities.

So Bush, et al, are to blame for this, too. Why am I not surprised.

The Fed must go. We don't need it. It's past its use-by date. It's poisoning the world economy, and its only going to get worse. There's only one presidential candidate that will get rid of it: RON PAUL.

[blackxavior]

Have you ever read anything about economics?

[lastnymleft]

Yes.