It is impossible to tell any baptised evangelist christian anything that dissproves what they have already agreed upon together,it is if they are forbidden to beleive anything truthful that would dissprove there very existance,very very ignorant people.
In some of your videos you make truthful statements, but you criticize the gospels, but you read and use the gospels. you are very hard to follow. You also have to explain, who then wrote the NT. If Jesus didnt exist, who is behind all his sayings. You have a lot of explaining to do.
@ForBibletruth Spiritual truths only come from God. If there's no God, there are no spiritual truth. I read that you believe that God is nature. What I don't understand is why are you reading the bible. You sound like a christian, and advance christian, but a christian nontheless. I really don't understand your point of view.
@cmpresents, Yes, God is very much like the forces of nature. The wind can cool you off, dry your clothes, push a sailboat, but, it can also carry you and your house away. Sadly most people think God is like Santa Claus. Wisdom and understanding come from God, I can't give them to you.
You are in error. Jesus was not Jeconiah's actual seed, because he was born of a virgin, Joseph was only his adoptive father. But he still had the claim to the throne of David through his royal line. Many people also do not realize that Mary was also a descendant of David through his son Nathan. So the genealogy of Luke is through Mary, Heli was the father of Mary. And Joseph was Heli's son also through marriage. Shealtiel- Zerubbabel are different people in Lucan and Matthean genealogies.
@123RafaelPerez, Nice try, however, it is clear from scripture, that God's conditional promise, to establish David's throne forever, was again made to Solomon, NOT Nathan. See 2Samuel 7:12-13, 1Chron 17:11-14, 22:9-10 and 28:5-7.
Im so glad someone else saw that too. where matthew and luke messed up was leaving Shealtiel and Zorrobul in the line cause they are from jeconias seed... So the new testament start off lying... Now YAH did remove the curse but like he said his descendants would never rule in King Judah again and he meant that ! He was fond of Zurrabel and Jeconia repented but his descendants was never back in high places. NO WAY jc would have been a savior....LOL... GOD dont change his mind ! WAKE UP PEOPLE !
Excellent video, thanks. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Math 1:6 vs. Luke 3:31 contradiction. In Matthew he is through Solomon and in Luke he is through Nathan. Math 1:6) and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife.
Luke3:31) the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David,
@ForBibletruth My question is, given Nathan and Solomon are brothers, both from David and Bathsheba. Which of the two NT verses is correct? One has Jesus as decended from Solomon and another has him decended from Nathan for that generation. I'd like to make my first youtube video on NT errors. So any feedback from you or anyone else on this or other NT errors would be greatly appreciated. Have an easy fast.
@dvkuth , Yes, well the Christians explain away the difference in the genealogies by claiming that one is Joseph's and the other is Mary's, even though the text clearly traces to Joseph in both lists. You will find that the number of generations claimed by Matthew is wrong also. There are many contradictions in the NT, and anyone claiming otherwise is in denial. Although Christians claim they are seeking the truth, their beliefs always come first, truth is of little importance to them.
@ForBibletruth The scriptures that you've cited in this video have been taken out of context. In Jeremiah 22:1-5 YHWH said that UNLESS Jechoniah executes judgment and righteousness, his house shall become desolate. Point blank.
Jeremiah 22:24-30 then goes on to describe the curse that one, he shall remain CHILDLESS, two, will NOT prosper, and three, none of his children would sit upon the throne of David. HOWEVER...(Con'd)
@lillibeth13, Why did you skip over Jer 22:20-23, perhaps because it disproves your belief that Jeconiah repented? "Go up to Lebanon, and cry; and lift up thy voice in Bashan, and cry from the passages: for all thy lovers are destroyed. I spake unto thee in thy prosperity; but thou saidst, I will not hear. This hath been thy manner from thy youth, that thou obeyedst not my voice. The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity....."
@lillibeth13, Jer 22:30 "Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah." 1. This does not say he would be childless, but, to descibe him as such. 2. Yes, he was released from prison after 20 years, and given an allowance, but, he died in captivity-you call that prosperous? 3. Zerubbabel was not a king, and he never reigned on David's throne.
This stuff is mind blowing. I wish you could do a video debating with a Christian, or a Catholic, or someone who thinks Jesus is the Christ. We need debates for the benefit of the viewers. Peace.
There is a coming messiah but its just not whom everyone is expecting. As in a woman from the line of king David.
If you make the connection between the first human God created (oldest human remains was from africa and were made in his image and were the chosen ones). you will begin to understand
Put 2 and 2 together people.
Good job on your research thank God people are finally waking up.
There may be some truth that askenazi jews are khazars, but it also must be remembered that the 10 tribes of Israel were taken in captivity to the North, and no doubt intermarried with many other nations. The Hebrews were the decendents of Jacob-not Moses.
no disrepect old man..but you should know King David had 2 sons! Nathan! an Solomon! an Marry is from Nathan not Solomon line which was cursed via Jehoikim! it says nobody from Jehoaikim's line shall ever again sit on the throne! mary was not from that line!
Mary is decended from Salathiel and Zorobabel. Salathiel was the son of Coniah (Jeconiah). God did not curse Jehoiakim, but he did curse his son Jeconiah (Coniah) and all his decendants. I already told you, the lines from Nathan AND Soloman intersected with Salathiel and Zorobabel. There is no way around this, both Mary and Joseph are decended from Jeconiah, and no decendant of Jeconiah will be permitted to sit on the throne.
an u telling me he never exisisted okay..well so this means whole New Testament is false! so how hell can u qoute from Paul..an what about the Messiah saying he is the way the truth an the life no man comes to the father but by him? ..explain sir!!!
The name Jesus or you use the name Yashua with no scriptural basis, simply means that Yahweh saves. There is no secular historical proof that "Jesus" existed. I do not believe that the Gospels were ever intended to be viewed as historical records. To worship a man or look to a man for spiritual salvation is Idolatry.
The Christ or the anointing is God's spirit in us. Paul stated that was the hope of Glory. God works in us to make us new creatures. This can not be brought about by worshipping a fictional character. What you call messianic prophecies, were not prophecies at all, but, lines taken out of context. See my early videos on Matthew.
Both lines intersect at Salathiel and Zorobabel. All the decendants of Jeconiah are unable to sit on Davids throne. Jer 22:30"...for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah."
That is correct. A Messiah in the Old Testament, means an anointed person. Prophets, Priests and Kings were anointed. There is not one place in the Old Testament where God states he required a perfect human sacrifice for the forgiveness of man's sins, nor did he ever say he was going to resurrect anyone, on the third day. God is a spirit-not a man. Isa 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
David--------->Solomon-------------->Jehoiakim----------> Joseph..this is why Messiah cannot be Joseph actul physical son! because he would be coming from a cursed line... David--------->Nathan--------->Heli (mary's father)------->Mary----> Yahshua The Messiah aka Jesus...thats how he is the messiah! says decendant of David..but that decend cant be from Solomon's line! Joseph adopted him thats why he get the legal royal rights an via Mary makes him a bloodline decendant!
As I stated above, regardless of which bloodline you chose to follow, both lines intersect with Salathiel and Zorobabel, who were both decended from Coniah. Zedekiah was the last king to sit on the throne of David. The promise to David was renewed with Solomon-not Nathan, and it was a conditional promise-See 1 Kings 9:2-9. The worship of a man, which you claim to be the image of God, is Idolatry.
Exactly what do you wish to be saved from? What did Jesus tell the rich young man? Did Jesus tell him that he would be saved by having faith in his coming death on the cross and that he would never be required to do anything but believe? You claim to be a follower of Jesus, yet, you don't keep his words?
mmm...man even Paul speaks about The Messiah dying..so man what the heck are u talking about..nowonder people are skeptical of the bible I'm starting to become one of them..you dont believe in a Messiah? yet u qoute Paul..who sappose be a follower of The Messiah..ya the guy who became a follower on the road to Damascus( i think thats how ya spell it lol)..
Does a story have to be historically true an accurate before you can learn anything from it? Read 1 Cor 15:3-4. Paul was the first NT writer, this letter was the first one he wrote and it was written BEFORE the Gospels, so according to what scriptures did these things take place? Where did the OT scriptures say that the Messiah was going to die for our sins and be raised on the third day?
Question: Althoiugh Zerubabbel wasn't qualified to sit at the throne of King David, why was he chosen to "rule" Judah and given a signet ring if he inherited the curse?
Zerubbabel was made a governor or a prefect of Judah. He was not made a king and he did not sit on the throne of David. He was not given a signet ring. Haggai 2:23 states that he himself would be as or like a signet. In other words he would be showing the people that God is still in control. The promises made to David and renewed with Solomon in regard to the throne were conditional.
"While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, "How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christ is the son of David? 36David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: " 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." David himself calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?" The large crowd listened to him with delight."
The point of this statement is that the Messiah or the Christ is a spirit. He is not, nor will he ever be a son of David. He cannot be. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Hos 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Jeremiah 23:1 and the following verses could be applied to you, misleading people to worship Jesus as the son of God.
"Thou shalt know no God but me: for there is no saviour beside me." this "Me" means the trinity: Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Everything stands.. He is the son of David according to the flesh and spirit of the Lord through the Holy spirit.
"How could it be that the Messiah is the son of David when David himself refers to Him as "my Lord" (Mark 12:35-37)? Of course the teachers of the law couldn't answer the question. Jesus thereby exposed the Jewish spiritual leaders' ineptitude as teachers and their ignorance of what the Old Testament taught as to the true nature of the Messiah, further alienating them from Him."
Yes very few teachers of scriptures understand them. The true nature of the Messiah is that he is a spirit. Not a man in history that would be born from the line of David.
Lora you state "Ah yes, THE DEFENDER'S" "As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David,"
Dr Henry Morris, does a great job in defending the "OFFENCE" I can google lots of Rabbinical support too, just like you ;o) he hee
Both lines intersect at Salathiel and Zorobabel. All the decendants of Jeconiah are unable to sit on Davids throne. Jer 22:30"...for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah." What part of the word NO is it that you don't understand. God's promise was to David and his seed. He restated this to Solomon and his seed. No promise was ever given to Nathan. Can Dr. Morris change God's promise? Jesus never existed to begin with.
Bibletruth, God had a better plan in the next chapter. LOL
"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness."
"when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch,"
LOL? You think the proper understanding of scripture is a joke? The Branch is the Spirit of Christ which dwells within each of us. It is not a historical Jesus.
"As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon's line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah's sin"
[Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].
You are either a jew or a christian. You cannot be both, Funch. A messianic rabbi is a jew who is a follower of Jesus and therefore is simply a christian of Jewish origin, therefore a believer in the same twistory you tell.
2) Quote: "Jewish theology rejects the idea that the messiah (or any other person) is a divinity; such an idea has often been regarded as idolatrous. Nor does Judaism view the role of the messiah to be the salvation of the world from its sins. Judaism does not accept Jesus as the biblical messiah, nor does it assign him any religious role at all."
Hosea 13:4
4 Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior.
Funch - Since the origin of the story is Jewish, under Jewish law and Jesus and his family were Jewish, it might be best if a Jewish rabbi explained things to you.
Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the right to ascend the Jewish throne, both through Mary and through adoption by his foster father, Joseph. Mary's genealogy is supplied in Luke 3:23-38.
funch - Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus ...."
No go funch...
Mary, being the mother, under Jewish law, cannot pass on her lineage, only her jewishness. A father cannot pass his lineage to an adopted son. Mary's geneology is irrelevant, funch.
"Mary, being the mother, under Jewish law, cannot pass on her lineage, only her jewishness"
cough cough, how ironic, the people of Jesus's day who disbelieved in his deity also disbelieved would have probably disbelieved in his miraculous conception. Therefore one would believe that Joseph and Mary concieved Jesus by "natural" means, hence the lineage of Joseph would suffice. What other alternative do you have?? ps Unless you had the latest gossip records in Nazareth??
Little is known of her personal history. Her genealogy is given in Luke 3 (see below). She was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32). She was connected by marriage with Elisabeth, who was of the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:36).
No,there is only one Coniah or Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim in scripture. Write or in other words-count or record him childless-because even if he has decendents (and he did), they would never be allowed to sit on the throne of David. See Jeremiah 24:1, 27:20, 28:4, 29:2, 37:1, Esther 2:6. His sons are recorded in 1Chronicles 3:16-18.
Forbibletruth - The Jeconiah you speak of is the ancestor of Joseph.
Neither of the geneologies given in the bible is relevant. Either Jesus is the son of Joseph or he is not. If he is the son of god, then he has no claim to the house of David. An adoptive father, by Jewish law, cannot pass his lineage to an adopted son. If he is the son of Joseph, he still has no claim to the house of David because Joseph's line was disinherited.
You are correct on both counts. Both lines given by Matthew and Luke intersect with Salathiel and Zorobabel. Either way the Jesus of the Gospels cannot be the Messiah. Many of the Gospel texts never mention Jesus to begin with. They simply use the abbreviation IHS which was a symbol for Mithra, Bacchus and the Sun.
Lora you state, "If he is the son of god, then he has no claim to the house of David" LOL
Wow, I guess you have know problem putting the God of the universe in place? LOL If he is the Son of God, which he is, what claim does he have then "your highness"? LOL You make the assertion as if God is real, then you undermine his jurisdiction over the matter like you are the "law maker" LOL
ps Are questioning God's authority over the lineage of God the Son?
funch - "Are questioning God's authority over the lineage of God the Son?"
No, funch. Just that the spinners of the new testament didn't know much about Jewish law and traditions. Go to a Jewish site and check out succession. It remains the same to this day.
You have proof of this? Is it not a bit foolish to believe things without evidence. Have you ever looked at the evidence? Do you simply believe everything that you are told?
again read the dead sea scrolls...Jesus came from a regular family, complete with brothers and sisters...do the research....and dont worry, you dont have to be a Catholic to experience the afterlife...and you wont be damned to hell either...
migo -again read the dead sea scrolls...Jesus came from a regular family, complete with brothers and sisters..."
While it is true that Jesus is said to have had brothers and sisters in the new testament. The dead sea scrolls are versions of the old testament and don't mention Jesus at all. Hell is an invention of the new testament and does not exist in the old testament.
how about a video concentrating only on the disciples,their lives,beliefs,deaths,etc.,i think that would have great importance,also if the church view on the disciples holds some truth
I know of no genuine historical works that mention the apostles. I have heard the same story over and over about how they all died martyrs deaths, and how they would have never died for a lie. However, when I ask for proof of this, some historical reference to read, I am ignored or told that I am going hell for my lack of belief. I can find no proof of the Apostles, nor has anyone offered me proof. I don't believe any proof exists.
If you place any weight on the number of the beast, have you considered the man whose umber it is and what it really means? In the O.T. there is only one man with that number associated with him. If I am correct his name meant peaceful son, 'Sholom on' (I have seen this spelling accepted as being correct)I used the blevins code, it totals 666, but so does the seal of solomon if you break it down mathematically. Where we see that seal today is where we see the actions of that beast, IMO.
It is impossible to tell any baptised evangelist christian anything that dissproves what they have already agreed upon together,it is if they are forbidden to beleive anything truthful that would dissprove there very existance,very very ignorant people.
phastnbulbous 4 months ago
@phastnbulbous, Yes, sadly their personal beliefs are more important than facts.
ForBibletruth 3 months ago
In some of your videos you make truthful statements, but you criticize the gospels, but you read and use the gospels. you are very hard to follow. You also have to explain, who then wrote the NT. If Jesus didnt exist, who is behind all his sayings. You have a lot of explaining to do.
cmpresents 4 months ago
@cmpresents, Does a story have to be factual to teach spiritual truths?
ForBibletruth 4 months ago
@ForBibletruth Spiritual truths only come from God. If there's no God, there are no spiritual truth. I read that you believe that God is nature. What I don't understand is why are you reading the bible. You sound like a christian, and advance christian, but a christian nontheless. I really don't understand your point of view.
cmpresents 4 months ago
@cmpresents, Yes, God is very much like the forces of nature. The wind can cool you off, dry your clothes, push a sailboat, but, it can also carry you and your house away. Sadly most people think God is like Santa Claus. Wisdom and understanding come from God, I can't give them to you.
ForBibletruth 4 months ago
You are in error. Jesus was not Jeconiah's actual seed, because he was born of a virgin, Joseph was only his adoptive father. But he still had the claim to the throne of David through his royal line. Many people also do not realize that Mary was also a descendant of David through his son Nathan. So the genealogy of Luke is through Mary, Heli was the father of Mary. And Joseph was Heli's son also through marriage. Shealtiel- Zerubbabel are different people in Lucan and Matthean genealogies.
123RafaelPerez 11 months ago
@123RafaelPerez, Nice try, however, it is clear from scripture, that God's conditional promise, to establish David's throne forever, was again made to Solomon, NOT Nathan. See 2Samuel 7:12-13, 1Chron 17:11-14, 22:9-10 and 28:5-7.
ForBibletruth 11 months ago
Im so glad someone else saw that too. where matthew and luke messed up was leaving Shealtiel and Zorrobul in the line cause they are from jeconias seed... So the new testament start off lying... Now YAH did remove the curse but like he said his descendants would never rule in King Judah again and he meant that ! He was fond of Zurrabel and Jeconia repented but his descendants was never back in high places. NO WAY jc would have been a savior....LOL... GOD dont change his mind ! WAKE UP PEOPLE !
19HotboiTez80 11 months ago
Excellent video, thanks. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Math 1:6 vs. Luke 3:31 contradiction. In Matthew he is through Solomon and in Luke he is through Nathan. Math 1:6) and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife.
Luke3:31) the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David,
Thanks again, keep posting.
dvkuth 1 year ago
@dvkuth, Both lines passed through Salathiel and Zorobabel. See Matthew 1:12 and Luke 3:27.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth My question is, given Nathan and Solomon are brothers, both from David and Bathsheba. Which of the two NT verses is correct? One has Jesus as decended from Solomon and another has him decended from Nathan for that generation. I'd like to make my first youtube video on NT errors. So any feedback from you or anyone else on this or other NT errors would be greatly appreciated. Have an easy fast.
dvkuth 1 year ago
@dvkuth , Yes, well the Christians explain away the difference in the genealogies by claiming that one is Joseph's and the other is Mary's, even though the text clearly traces to Joseph in both lists. You will find that the number of generations claimed by Matthew is wrong also. There are many contradictions in the NT, and anyone claiming otherwise is in denial. Although Christians claim they are seeking the truth, their beliefs always come first, truth is of little importance to them.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth Thanks.
dvkuth 1 year ago
jesus is lucifer and that yeshua was messiah.Yeshua is not jesus as they have taught. study this real hard and u will see it to be true.
glen58316 1 year ago
@glen58316, Many have claimed this, but, what historical or scriptural proof exists for yeshua? In the end it is only a name game.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth The scriptures that you've cited in this video have been taken out of context. In Jeremiah 22:1-5 YHWH said that UNLESS Jechoniah executes judgment and righteousness, his house shall become desolate. Point blank.
Jeremiah 22:24-30 then goes on to describe the curse that one, he shall remain CHILDLESS, two, will NOT prosper, and three, none of his children would sit upon the throne of David. HOWEVER...(Con'd)
lillibeth13 1 year ago 2
@lillibeth13, Why did you skip over Jer 22:20-23, perhaps because it disproves your belief that Jeconiah repented? "Go up to Lebanon, and cry; and lift up thy voice in Bashan, and cry from the passages: for all thy lovers are destroyed. I spake unto thee in thy prosperity; but thou saidst, I will not hear. This hath been thy manner from thy youth, that thou obeyedst not my voice. The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity....."
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth
HOWEVER, we see that Jechoniah had eight sons - (1 Chronicles 3:17). This disproves the first part of the curse.
Secondly, we see that Jechoniah was PROSPEROUS after he was released from prison (2 Kings 25:27-30).
And lastly, we see that his seed, namely Zerubbabel (from the line of Jehoiakim) reigned on David's throne - (Zechariah 4:6-14; Haggai 2:4,21-23)
Jehoiakim repented, and clearly, the curse was lifted.
lillibeth13 1 year ago 2
@lillibeth13, Jer 22:30 "Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah." 1. This does not say he would be childless, but, to descibe him as such. 2. Yes, he was released from prison after 20 years, and given an allowance, but, he died in captivity-you call that prosperous? 3. Zerubbabel was not a king, and he never reigned on David's throne.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
This stuff is mind blowing. I wish you could do a video debating with a Christian, or a Catholic, or someone who thinks Jesus is the Christ. We need debates for the benefit of the viewers. Peace.
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
There is a coming messiah but its just not whom everyone is expecting. As in a woman from the line of king David.
If you make the connection between the first human God created (oldest human remains was from africa and were made in his image and were the chosen ones). you will begin to understand
Put 2 and 2 together people.
Good job on your research thank God people are finally waking up.
mia4mj 2 years ago
what do you think of the claim that askenazi jews are khazars,not descendents of Moses.
PudraDeTalc 2 years ago
There may be some truth that askenazi jews are khazars, but it also must be remembered that the 10 tribes of Israel were taken in captivity to the North, and no doubt intermarried with many other nations. The Hebrews were the decendents of Jacob-not Moses.
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
no disrepect old man..but you should know King David had 2 sons! Nathan! an Solomon! an Marry is from Nathan not Solomon line which was cursed via Jehoikim! it says nobody from Jehoaikim's line shall ever again sit on the throne! mary was not from that line!
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
Mary is decended from Salathiel and Zorobabel. Salathiel was the son of Coniah (Jeconiah). God did not curse Jehoiakim, but he did curse his son Jeconiah (Coniah) and all his decendants. I already told you, the lines from Nathan AND Soloman intersected with Salathiel and Zorobabel. There is no way around this, both Mary and Joseph are decended from Jeconiah, and no decendant of Jeconiah will be permitted to sit on the throne.
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
an u telling me he never exisisted okay..well so this means whole New Testament is false! so how hell can u qoute from Paul..an what about the Messiah saying he is the way the truth an the life no man comes to the father but by him? ..explain sir!!!
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
believe what you want..lol would love to know who is the messiah if its not Yahshua?
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
God is a spirit-not a man. Isa 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
so u dont believe Yashua existed
?
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
The name Jesus or you use the name Yashua with no scriptural basis, simply means that Yahweh saves. There is no secular historical proof that "Jesus" existed. I do not believe that the Gospels were ever intended to be viewed as historical records. To worship a man or look to a man for spiritual salvation is Idolatry.
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
hmm okay then..so your non messianic..
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
The Christ or the anointing is God's spirit in us. Paul stated that was the hope of Glory. God works in us to make us new creatures. This can not be brought about by worshipping a fictional character. What you call messianic prophecies, were not prophecies at all, but, lines taken out of context. See my early videos on Matthew.
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
there is no messiah but you.that is your answer.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
really I'm the Messiah? lol always wanted to walk on water!
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
Marry descended from David.
jesus had no human father.
BorgHub 2 years ago
Both lines intersect at Salathiel and Zorobabel. All the decendants of Jeconiah are unable to sit on Davids throne. Jer 22:30"...for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah."
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
by your logic there can never be any messiah.
because the messiah has to be from the seed of david and will be the king
BorgHub 2 years ago
That is correct. A Messiah in the Old Testament, means an anointed person. Prophets, Priests and Kings were anointed. There is not one place in the Old Testament where God states he required a perfect human sacrifice for the forgiveness of man's sins, nor did he ever say he was going to resurrect anyone, on the third day. God is a spirit-not a man. Isa 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
David--------->Solomon-------------->Jehoiakim----------> Joseph..this is why Messiah cannot be Joseph actul physical son! because he would be coming from a cursed line... David--------->Nathan--------->Heli (mary's father)------->Mary----> Yahshua The Messiah aka Jesus...thats how he is the messiah! says decendant of David..but that decend cant be from Solomon's line! Joseph adopted him thats why he get the legal royal rights an via Mary makes him a bloodline decendant!
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
As I stated above, regardless of which bloodline you chose to follow, both lines intersect with Salathiel and Zorobabel, who were both decended from Coniah. Zedekiah was the last king to sit on the throne of David. The promise to David was renewed with Solomon-not Nathan, and it was a conditional promise-See 1 Kings 9:2-9. The worship of a man, which you claim to be the image of God, is Idolatry.
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
so how do one recive salvation if not through the Messiah which u dont really believe in
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
Exactly what do you wish to be saved from? What did Jesus tell the rich young man? Did Jesus tell him that he would be saved by having faith in his coming death on the cross and that he would never be required to do anything but believe? You claim to be a follower of Jesus, yet, you don't keep his words?
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
mmm...man even Paul speaks about The Messiah dying..so man what the heck are u talking about..nowonder people are skeptical of the bible I'm starting to become one of them..you dont believe in a Messiah? yet u qoute Paul..who sappose be a follower of The Messiah..ya the guy who became a follower on the road to Damascus( i think thats how ya spell it lol)..
BahamasIllestMC 2 years ago
Does a story have to be historically true an accurate before you can learn anything from it? Read 1 Cor 15:3-4. Paul was the first NT writer, this letter was the first one he wrote and it was written BEFORE the Gospels, so according to what scriptures did these things take place? Where did the OT scriptures say that the Messiah was going to die for our sins and be raised on the third day?
ForBibletruth 2 years ago
hahaha sounds like the bible is like "as the world turns" hard to know who has done what, and wich relationships formed wich childs :)
tobiaskelvin 3 years ago
Question: Althoiugh Zerubabbel wasn't qualified to sit at the throne of King David, why was he chosen to "rule" Judah and given a signet ring if he inherited the curse?
straygypsy 3 years ago
Zerubbabel was made a governor or a prefect of Judah. He was not made a king and he did not sit on the throne of David. He was not given a signet ring. Haggai 2:23 states that he himself would be as or like a signet. In other words he would be showing the people that God is still in control. The promises made to David and renewed with Solomon in regard to the throne were conditional.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
Christianity - the greatest story ever sold.
Atheist001 3 years ago
yea and verily, amen to that
CombustableHuxtable 3 years ago
"While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, "How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christ is the son of David? 36David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: " 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." David himself calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?" The large crowd listened to him with delight."
Mark 12:35-37
From this scripture we are affirmed of Jer 23:1
funchewy17 3 years ago
The point of this statement is that the Messiah or the Christ is a spirit. He is not, nor will he ever be a son of David. He cannot be. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Hos 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Jeremiah 23:1 and the following verses could be applied to you, misleading people to worship Jesus as the son of God.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
"Thou shalt know no God but me: for there is no saviour beside me." this "Me" means the trinity: Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Everything stands.. He is the son of David according to the flesh and spirit of the Lord through the Holy spirit.
dooVoob 3 years ago
"How could it be that the Messiah is the son of David when David himself refers to Him as "my Lord" (Mark 12:35-37)? Of course the teachers of the law couldn't answer the question. Jesus thereby exposed the Jewish spiritual leaders' ineptitude as teachers and their ignorance of what the Old Testament taught as to the true nature of the Messiah, further alienating them from Him."
Gotanswersdotorg
funchewy17 3 years ago
Yes very few teachers of scriptures understand them. The true nature of the Messiah is that he is a spirit. Not a man in history that would be born from the line of David.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
Lora you state "Ah yes, THE DEFENDER'S" "As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David,"
Dr Henry Morris, does a great job in defending the "OFFENCE" I can google lots of Rabbinical support too, just like you ;o) he hee
funchewy17 3 years ago
Both lines intersect at Salathiel and Zorobabel. All the decendants of Jeconiah are unable to sit on Davids throne. Jer 22:30"...for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah." What part of the word NO is it that you don't understand. God's promise was to David and his seed. He restated this to Solomon and his seed. No promise was ever given to Nathan. Can Dr. Morris change God's promise? Jesus never existed to begin with.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
Bibletruth, God had a better plan in the next chapter. LOL
"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness."
"when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch,"
Raise up to David?, from Davids line ??
funchewy17 3 years ago
LOL? You think the proper understanding of scripture is a joke? The Branch is the Spirit of Christ which dwells within each of us. It is not a historical Jesus.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
"As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon's line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah's sin"
[Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].
funchewy17 3 years ago
funch - "Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David"
Nope. Joseph's line also came by way of Jaconiah who was disinherited. Joseph had no claim to the throne of David either.
" her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon's line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah's sin"
The messiah was to be of the line of David through Solomon, funch. Mary's line came through Nathan.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
Lora you state:
"Nope. Joseph's line also came by way of Jaconiah who was disinherited. Joseph had no claim to the throne of David either."
Are you familiar with messianic Rabbis?
Just like you refering me to non-messianic rabbis.
funchewy17 3 years ago
funch - "Are you familiar with messianic Rabbis?"
You are either a jew or a christian. You cannot be both, Funch. A messianic rabbi is a jew who is a follower of Jesus and therefore is simply a christian of Jewish origin, therefore a believer in the same twistory you tell.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
2) Quote: "Jewish theology rejects the idea that the messiah (or any other person) is a divinity; such an idea has often been regarded as idolatrous. Nor does Judaism view the role of the messiah to be the salvation of the world from its sins. Judaism does not accept Jesus as the biblical messiah, nor does it assign him any religious role at all."
Hosea 13:4
4 Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
funch - "Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).]. "
Ah yes, THE DEFENDER'S ..... Just switch geneologies and there you have it.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
Funch - Since the origin of the story is Jewish, under Jewish law and Jesus and his family were Jewish, it might be best if a Jewish rabbi explained things to you.
outreachjudaism(dot)org/mary(dot)html
LoraSinger 3 years ago
Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the right to ascend the Jewish throne, both through Mary and through adoption by his foster father, Joseph. Mary's genealogy is supplied in Luke 3:23-38.
funchewy17 3 years ago
funch - Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus ...."
No go funch...
Mary, being the mother, under Jewish law, cannot pass on her lineage, only her jewishness. A father cannot pass his lineage to an adopted son. Mary's geneology is irrelevant, funch.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
Lora, you state:
"Mary, being the mother, under Jewish law, cannot pass on her lineage, only her jewishness"
cough cough, how ironic, the people of Jesus's day who disbelieved in his deity also disbelieved would have probably disbelieved in his miraculous conception. Therefore one would believe that Joseph and Mary concieved Jesus by "natural" means, hence the lineage of Joseph would suffice. What other alternative do you have?? ps Unless you had the latest gossip records in Nazareth??
funchewy17 3 years ago
Little is known of her personal history. Her genealogy is given in Luke 3 (see below). She was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32). She was connected by marriage with Elisabeth, who was of the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:36).
funchewy17 3 years ago
No,there is only one Coniah or Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim in scripture. Write or in other words-count or record him childless-because even if he has decendents (and he did), they would never be allowed to sit on the throne of David. See Jeremiah 24:1, 27:20, 28:4, 29:2, 37:1, Esther 2:6. His sons are recorded in 1Chronicles 3:16-18.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
Forbibletruth - The Jeconiah you speak of is the ancestor of Joseph.
Neither of the geneologies given in the bible is relevant. Either Jesus is the son of Joseph or he is not. If he is the son of god, then he has no claim to the house of David. An adoptive father, by Jewish law, cannot pass his lineage to an adopted son. If he is the son of Joseph, he still has no claim to the house of David because Joseph's line was disinherited.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
Being Mary's son only means that he was Jewish. He cannot receive lineage from the mother. Jesus had no claim to the house of David.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
You are correct on both counts. Both lines given by Matthew and Luke intersect with Salathiel and Zorobabel. Either way the Jesus of the Gospels cannot be the Messiah. Many of the Gospel texts never mention Jesus to begin with. They simply use the abbreviation IHS which was a symbol for Mithra, Bacchus and the Sun.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
Lora you state, "If he is the son of god, then he has no claim to the house of David" LOL
Wow, I guess you have know problem putting the God of the universe in place? LOL If he is the Son of God, which he is, what claim does he have then "your highness"? LOL You make the assertion as if God is real, then you undermine his jurisdiction over the matter like you are the "law maker" LOL
ps Are questioning God's authority over the lineage of God the Son?
kinda contradictory? think??
funchewy17 3 years ago
funch - "Are questioning God's authority over the lineage of God the Son?"
No, funch. Just that the spinners of the new testament didn't know much about Jewish law and traditions. Go to a Jewish site and check out succession. It remains the same to this day.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
Jesus came from above.
artist1951 3 years ago
You have proof of this? Is it not a bit foolish to believe things without evidence. Have you ever looked at the evidence? Do you simply believe everything that you are told?
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
again read the dead sea scrolls...Jesus came from a regular family, complete with brothers and sisters...do the research....and dont worry, you dont have to be a Catholic to experience the afterlife...and you wont be damned to hell either...
migo53333 3 years ago
There is no Jesus mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
migo -again read the dead sea scrolls...Jesus came from a regular family, complete with brothers and sisters..."
While it is true that Jesus is said to have had brothers and sisters in the new testament. The dead sea scrolls are versions of the old testament and don't mention Jesus at all. Hell is an invention of the new testament and does not exist in the old testament.
LoraSinger 3 years ago
how about a video concentrating only on the disciples,their lives,beliefs,deaths,etc.,i think that would have great importance,also if the church view on the disciples holds some truth
DarwinIsHere 3 years ago
See my video on the Phoenix. I know of no genuine historical works that mention the apostles.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
just one more thing....are you saying the apostles never existed at all?
DarwinIsHere 3 years ago
I know of no genuine historical works that mention the apostles. I have heard the same story over and over about how they all died martyrs deaths, and how they would have never died for a lie. However, when I ask for proof of this, some historical reference to read, I am ignored or told that I am going hell for my lack of belief. I can find no proof of the Apostles, nor has anyone offered me proof. I don't believe any proof exists.
ForBibletruth 3 years ago
If you place any weight on the number of the beast, have you considered the man whose umber it is and what it really means? In the O.T. there is only one man with that number associated with him. If I am correct his name meant peaceful son, 'Sholom on' (I have seen this spelling accepted as being correct)I used the blevins code, it totals 666, but so does the seal of solomon if you break it down mathematically. Where we see that seal today is where we see the actions of that beast, IMO.
ChoppedLiver44060 4 years ago