Amazing Facts:Lazarus Come Forth-Truth about Death pt1

[andiroo42]

The death that Jesus died was not just the first natural death (See Romans 5:12) but it was the second death spoken of in Rev 20:14 His soul was exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death.

[wooki53]

I was baptized an SDA -- now I don't know John 11:26 is so cut and dry -- an apostle didn't say it, it was God Himself in the flesh that said it -- "If you believe in me you will never die". What else can it mean? Why does the SDA ignore such verse? We have a spirit -- the Bible says that the spirit in man knows the things about men -- which means the spirit is the conscious part of us the real us and the physical is only a temporary covering that dies.

[menacesta]

@wooki53 Where does it say this? " the Bible says that the spirit in man knows the things about men -- which means the spirit is the conscious part of us the real us and the physical is only a temporary covering that dies."

[wooki53]

I like many of the doctrines of the SDA but this doctrine of soul sleep doesn't quite convince me. I believe that the death of Jesus changed the condition of death. I believe that the death of Jesus brought us back to Eden, where we have a choice of the tree of knowledge (the mind) or the tree of life (the cross). If we choose the cross we will never die -- see John 11:26. Your body dies but your soul (mind and heart) and spirit lives on.

[medusa210562]

@wooki53

Hello there, I am an SDA anyway, I just want to share one thought with you.

I believe in the resurrection hope, I believe if there was no resurrection of the dead there would be no, hope.

I believe there is simply nothing good about dying. Enoch walked with God and He did not die. Yes Enock did not die but was taken to heaven. I also believe in the new incorruptible body that we will have in heaven. It talks about incorruptible body in the knew testament.

[medusa210562]

@wooki53

Hello there, I am an SDA anyway, I just want to share one thought with you.

I believe in the resurrection hope, I believe if there was no resurrection of the dead there would be no, hope.

I believe there is simply nothing good about dying. Enoch walked with God and He did not die. Yes Enoch did not die but was taken to heaven. I also believe in the new incorruptible body that we will have in heaven. It talks about incorruptible body in the knew testament.

[wooki53]

I like many of the teachings of the SDA but this is one doesn't convince me completely. I believe that the death of Jesus changed death -- it brought us back to Eden, where we had the choice of the tree of knowledge (the mind) or the tree of life (the cross). If we choose the tree of life than we have everlasting life --see John 11:26. The physical dies but the soul (the mind and heart) and your spirit leaves on.

[timsh6]

amen for preachers like this ,it,s time people to honor gods word over tradition.

[Horus515]

Lazarus had been down for like 4 days, in a hot cave. Can you imagine how much a damn nuisance he probably was to his fellow villagers?! He probably stank like a rotting animal! If I lived there I would have been a little peeved at Jesus for this one. OH? You brought Lazarus back after 4 days huh? Yeah. THANKS ALOT JESUS! pfft.

[bornbythesea]

Friends, check on fireball falling in America and Europe. Read The Great Controversy and The National Sunday Law! Rev. 14.

[chronodude10]

@ozmanofpeace amen to that. It is true that christians nowadays don't even bother opening their bibles. They think everything the pastor say is the truth. We should open and read the bible to confirm if wht the pastor is saying is the truth or a lie. Btw you can rely on pastor doug. I totally agree with him. God bless you

[ozmanofpeace]

This guy, from my own xp and knowledge of the bible is NOT ONE OF THEM. He says it as it is with an accuracy and sense that is lacking in pretty well all of the churches I've so far been to.

[ozmanofpeace]

I've been to quite a few churches now, various denominations, and i'm shocked and repulsed by the things said by their pastors, no matter how sincere they might be. And ppl just sit there and take it all in without consulting their bibles. Ppl are truly stupid sometimes - if sum1 has the title 'pastor' the audience just believes. that's dangerous and sad.

[ozmanofpeace]

I'm not an SDA but I totally agree with Doug's interpretation of what is plainly written in the Bible. READ IT YOURSELF. Credit to this guy and thank God someone has come along with the sense to understand what's actually written as opposed to what someone says.

[ozmanofpeace]

They remind me very much of the pharisees/saducess who went around with much pomp and show but missed the point. Mary is not a central figure of the Bible - read the NT yourself. She was simply CHOSEN by God to be the bearer of His Son. No doubt He had His reasons for choosing *her* but that's NOT THE POINT.

[ozmanofpeace]

ne1 with common sense can see RCC is off the mark. 1. They workship a statue of mary. They dress up in ways that glorifies themselves. their followers call their leaders Father (Jesus was very clear on this - no one is to be called teacher or father but Jesus/God alone).

[isaiahact]

True sermon.

[boomya555]

to IAmBiggestFan - how convenient when people forget to talk about the VERY next verse when Jesus says "Get behind thee Satan". the whole chapter is Prophetic insight as to what is going to happen. the catholic church is the scarlet whore in the Bible that thinks to Change GODS laws.

[IAmBiggestFan]

"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven"

So said to His chosen by : Jesus of Nazareth

Peter was the first Pope

[Mekelsior]

Simon Peter was never in Rome. Just a fact you might want to investigate? Even if he was the First Pope, he would be disgusted by what the papacy commited in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless.

[IAmBiggestFan]

We have nothing to hide. Roman Catholics air our dirty laundry to the world.

We admit we have had bad Popes over the 2000 and counting years. HOWEVER, Simon Peter was in Rome and when crucified requested to be done so OUTSIDE the gates of Rome UPSIDE DOWN as he was not even worthy to be crucified upright as Jesus was.

God Bless.

[Mekelsior]

The doctrine of the RCC, does not match with what the Bible states. Your Pope, claims infallability. Claims to be God. This is what worries me, aswell, the claim of sunday worship. It is not a biblical doctrine. I choose to follow the Bible, not man made doctrines. If you are interested, you should watch Total Onslaught of Walter Veith.

God Bless.

[IAmBiggestFan]

Oh dear. There's tooo much misunderstanding in the world. We, Roman Catholics do not claim that Pope is God.

Gosh, what a shame we misunderstand each other so much. God Bless

[Mekelsior]

Friend. Pope, the Vicar of Christ? The Replacement of Christ? In the place of Christ, God gave us the Holy Spirit. Not a man with the hat of Dagon.

He thinks to change the Law of God.

But lets stop discussing the obvious faults. Lets instead discuss doctrine. Why do you have the dead ones near worship, why do you pray to dead people?

God Bless.

[IAmBiggestFan]

Oh Gosh ... nooooo. We dont' believe he is Replacement of Christ .... noooooooo. We dont pray TO dead people. oh dear.

[Mekelsior]

You pray to the dead. The Bible teach, that they are all sleeping in their graves, untill the last day, the day of ressurection. Read 1 Thess 4:13-18.

The pope also claim authority over the Bible. Your Pope, have aswell, "changed" The law of God by removing the commandment of idols, and changed the Day of Worship to sunday. By claiming to have the authoirty of God, you make yourself God.

God Bless.

[IAmBiggestFan]

nooooooooo... we DONT PRAY TO THE DEAD!!!!!

noo ... there is much confusion in world. I have assumptions about you, you have assumptions about me. I think you're a cult. You think I pray to dead. nooo ...

I hope one day we sit and talk

until then - I pray .....

[Mekelsior]

So, you are telling me, that the RCC do not have Saints, do not pray to mary, do not have around itself, in the churches, bones of the dead, do not use the rosary and the ave marys, do not believe Mary is the Co mediatrix, do not believe that they are crucifying Christ everytime you eat the wafer? Friend, if this is what your saying, then your no catholic. Tell me, what is the 2nd commandment, what is the 3rd and 4th? Read John 14:14.

God Bless.

[459triple3]

@IAmBiggestFan Peter was not the first Pope. Jesus said "Thou art Peter" (Greek - Petros - means rolling stone or pebble) Then He said upon this Rock (Greek - Petra meaning giant bolder of immense proportions. The Petra was the revelation that He is the Christ, the Son of the living God. That is the rock upon which He built His church, not Peter. Peter failed as a Man. Christ's Word will never fail. It is a solid rock.

[protochris]

@459triple3 Christ did not call Peter a "rolling stone", he called him "Petros" which is the male equivalent of "Petra" a female noun meaning foundation stone. The two words mean the same, except Peter is the personification of stone. This is a protestant myth that has no biblical basis.

[459triple3]

@protochris Your claim has no factual basis. Nonetheless, Jesus never called Peter the foundation of His Church. God would never place the fate of His church in the hands of any fallen man. The fact that He is the Christ, the Anointed One, is the foundation upon which the church is built. There can be no other foundation. Any idea that Peter was the first Pope is completely without truth. A simple reading of the Book of Acts would erase that myth from anyone's mind.

[protochris]

@459triple3 "Let me settle the confusion". Admitting that Peter was the foundation stone, is not the same as saying he was the first pope. The church consists of those who are called. Jesus wasn't called, he calls us.  Tell me where do you get this translation of Petros being a rolling rock. That is not in biblical Greek. That form of Greek that you quote didn't appear until centuries later.

[459triple3]

@protochris Problem is...Peter was not the foundation stone. How could he be? A simple reading of the book of Acts would show that he had little to do with the world wide movement of the gospel. That was Paul's work. So...whether one calls him foundation stone or first Pope, they are both wrong. I fail to see any point of saying that Jesus wasn't called. That's elementary. The petros/petra argument is a dead stick.

[protochris]

@459triple3 First, your hatred towards Catholics is blinding your vision of God's word. That's why I could never be part of such a hate filled church as adventism. The beginning of Acts is all about Peter, up until the first council at Jerusalem when Peter rose up Acts 15:7 to say gentiles were allowed in the church. Then verse 14, james refers to Peter's authority saying "Simon has declared".

[459triple3]

@protochris Your judgement is nonsensical and you don't have the slightest clue as to what you are even saying about me. To declare that I hate Catholics is about as blind and stupid a statement as can be made. I have family members that are Catholic...people on the job that I work with who are Catholic and very good friends of mine who are Catholics. I have been a musician in the Catholic churches where I live. So you can take your self righteousness and stick it! That being said , (Cont)

[protochris]

@459triple3 You're the kinda guy that says I like black people, they are my friend and co-workers, then turn around and speak profanely about them. Every person I've known that hates Catholics prefaces their hatred with the same self absorbed love for those they think are less then themselves. You're a musician, good. I've heard your tune many times before.

[459triple3]

@protochris Here is what you fail to see. 1) I am a Black man so I do not appreciate the analogy. The other part is, I have no problem with Catholics. I hate what America has done to my race in America and what whites have done to my race worldwide. Does that mean I hate America or whites without exception or in any way whatsoever? No. But you can't see that. You don't seem to understand that God is not against people but systems that go against His Word. When a system says, (cont)

[459triple3]

@protochris "We can change God's law as we see fit to serve our purpose and decide to kill people who against us in favor or God's Word." God is dead set against that system. I have heard your tune before. It is loud and there is nothing to desire about it because it is not in a rhythm that has a truthful beat. I don't have a problem with Catholics because they always come out of that system to follow truth. I have a BIG PROBLEM with CATHOLICISM.

[459triple3]

@protochris I have read the book of Acts thoroughly. Peter was a man called by God as was all the other apostles. He had a specific calling. He, however, was not told by Jesus that he was the rock that the church would be built on. After Jesus asked the disciples, "Who do men say the I am?" and then "Who do you say that I am?", it was Peter's statement, "YOU ARE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD" that Jesus said is the foundation of the church. All Christian churches have this as a (cont)

[protochris]

@459triple3 Jesus is the foundation of our faith, Peter is the Foundation of the church. You forgot verse 19, " I will give YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven. According to your twisted logic, Jesus would have given the keys to the adversary.

[459triple3]

@protochris Once again, you see through a twisted logic. Peter is dead and gone. That would mean, according to your logic lacking any kind of light, that no one today has the key to the kingdom because Peter is dead. The key to the kingdom is the Word of God. Jesus taught it to the disciples and they ALL went out and taught what He had taught them. Read Heb 2:3.  Those that heard Jesus teach went out and taught as THEY had learned...not just Peter.

[459triple3]

@protochris their fundamental doctrine. Every Christian church preaches that Jesus is the God. They preach that He is the Christ (Anointed One). They do not preach a gospel of Peter. He was one of the 12. There were the 12 tribes .. there are the 12 apostles. The nation of Israel began with one man and exploded from his 12 sons, so too did the church begin with Christ and spread from the 12. Peter was no more important any other. God is no respecter of persons. (Peter included. After all (cont

[protochris]

@459triple3 When God speaks of being no respecter of persons, he's speaking of Salvation, not leadership. Re-read the context of that verse. Clearly God set in order of the church, first: Apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers. Ephesians 4:11.

[459triple3]

@protochris Yes. And none were anymore important than the others. He set King Saul in place and when he failed, He set King David in place. Leadership or salvation, it all comes back to anyone who has a willing heart and follows the Lord faithfully.

[459triple3]

@protochris it was to Peter that Jesus also said, "Get thee behind me, Satan". Oddly enough that He said it within moments after saying, "Thou are Peter and upon this rock will I build my church." I would almost call that providential evidence that He was referring to the statement that Jesus is the Christ and not the man who made the statement. Read Mt chapter 16 and you will find that. With all the epistles of Paul and the Book of Rev from John, where is there seen a gospel based on Peter?

[protochris]

@459triple3 This is ridiculous understanding on your part. Peter's name was changed at Ceasarea Phillipi, before that he was Simon. The same time( moment) Jesus spoke to Peter calling him the "foundation Rock" he also changed his name to foundation rock. I guess for you it's an unfortunate coincidence. Peter also denied Christ, and what did Christ say to him. When you are converted, support your brethren. God takes men with their flaws to build his church.

[459triple3]

@protochris Yes. He takes all men. And He did not make any man that can fall the foundation of His Church. Jesus is the foundation. To deny this is plain blasphemy. No man other than Jesus, who is the Word of God, the creative and redemptive power of God, could have stood in the place of fallen man to be the perfect sacrifice. It also means that no fallen man could ever be the foundation on which God would build His church...only Christ being God in the flesh, the Son of God, the Messiah.

[protochris]

@459triple3 Ephesians 2:20 says we are members of the household of God, "being built upon "the foundation" of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the "chief cornerstone". Christ holds the temple together, but we are "his" holy temple. Keys represent authority, not the word. Peter received his authority from Christ. Peter is the only apostle Jesus asked to Shepherd his sheep, John 21:16.

[459triple3]

@protochris You seem to have seen fit to leave out the last two verses. Not only is Jesus the chief cornerstone, but he is also the building itself...foundation and all. As He said, without Him, we can do nothing. As the Word says, our roghteousness is filthy rags before Him. Not to forget Jn 1:1-3, He is the Word. So to say that Peter and not the Word is the foundation is blasphemy.

[protochris]

@459triple3 It says two verses later...In whom the whole building, being joined "together", grows into a holy temple in the Lord. We are together with Christ (cornerstone), because we cannot stand on our own. Verse 22 says we are built to be a habitation for God. Jn 1 says that the "Word" already dwells with the father". Look, we essentially believe the same thing. The terminology is what creates the difference.

[459triple3]

@protochris The Word says that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Together, we are the church, the Bride of Christ. However, we are, as Galatians says, we are not Jews and Greeks, male and female, bond or free but all are in Christ. The lines of demarcation are erased when the church comes together. We are not, however, all in Peter or Paul nor any of the apostles. The 12 went out preaching and when the seed was planted the church was born. Our foundation is Christ as Messiah.

[protochris]

@459triple3 I fully agree with you. Where are not of Paul or Peter. we have been purchased by the blood of Christ, and no one else. There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved.

[459triple3]

@protochris Agreed then.

[protochris]

@459triple3 Matthew, Mark, Luke and John of Revelation were not even considered to be the pillars of the church, only three: Peter, James & John (not of revelation). The Gospel are ascribed to the Evangelists, we don't know if they actually wrote them. Their names aren't listed. To use this as a standard of who has the preiminence is nonsense on your part. Every chosen person has a gift. Paul chose not to baptize, so are you going to say he had no authority too. Hypocrite!

[459triple3]

@protochris The hypocrisy lies with you. The argument of Peter, James and John being pillars makes no sense considering that He chose twelve. The twelve were present when He said that He will give them the keys to the kingdom. Peter was not the only one who performed miracles and Paul had to call Peter up on his bigotry toward the Gentiles.

[protochris]

@459triple3 The apostles were all men of faults. That's why St. Paul said "We have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God, and not of us.

[protochris]

@459triple3 Jesus talks about a man building his house upon the rock "Petra", same name as Petros, just a different grammatical gender. It was Peter that Christ asked to feed his sheep, it was Peter that the gospels always mentions first before James & John. It was Peter that stood up in Acts 2:14 to preach the gospel at Pentecost. Realize this fact and move on. Stop the insane ranting & hatred.