Sir, very nice. I've never welded aluminum but have some material that i want to try welding.
What I have is Aluminum decking bars that go inside semi trailers for double decking loads. The peices are rectangular extruded aluminum 6061 if i'm not mistaken Some are made by a co. called Ancra I believe there are other materials in the bars besides alu. like magnesium maybe ? any advice on welding this type of material together ? I have oxy. acet. & a miller thunderbolt stick welder. Thanks H.
@challenger7777777 You can stick weld with a GOOD D.C. welder, and if the aluminum is over .125 thickness, otherwise use the gas rig and 5356 filler and the aluminum gas welding flux. The alloy composition is always given by the 4-digit number as in this case you are describing 6061. You do not mention thickness, however I would guess it is between .100 and .187. You will need a tip sized #4 - 6 to do this.
Great video.It is very difficult to convince people that gas welding aluminum is possible. All the old (and new)Cobra bodies were gas welded.Ron Fournier also gas welds aluminum. He said it is especially good on tanks. If you gas weld say an oil tank on a race care and it crashes, the tank will "give" Tig would most likely brake apart. Thanks for a great video, and I would encourage anyone to attend your classes.
Very nice work! I learned Oxy-Acetylene and stick welding when I was 15, but I'm 40 now. I was gifted a Miller MIG about 3 years ago for a project, and I'm getting my feet wet again, loving every minute of it. Trying to soak in everything I can. Now I'd like to expand my toolbox because a MIG is limited to what it can do. Nice torch! ...and thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge!
@AeroSport103 I do use the TIG and people say my welds are nice, but my son is marvelous on the TIG -- but I started teaching him to weld at the age of nine, so he had an decade or so advantage on me.... thanks for the compliment. - tinman
lovely welding :) its a shame the oxy and acetylene industries are stitched up to the hilt in the uk, the gas is really cheap & approx £15 per bottle, but the rental charge on the actual bottle send the price waaay high.....works out at approx £356 per year just to rent the bottles alone, and none of the companies will fill a privately owned bottle.....pretty sure the mafia is in charge here
@whackitov It sounds to me as though England is suffering from constrictive trade practices much along the same lines as Ireland and California to name a few. I'm sorry that greed has forced such constrictions on the general population.
nicely done.but a tig weld can handle much thicker material.also a tig plant can weld steel,ali,and stainless.one day you can use it to weld a hydraulic pipe joint,the next to weld two coke cans together.there's lots of techniques that we used to use but don't use now.lets put this in the drawer with our lead joint wiping tackle.
@hydraman5 Yes, I have covered the TIG vs Torch issue in depth in many articles, booklets, and public workshops over the past 20 years. Let’s not be too hasty to dismiss a viable welding method. Your results may vary, but there are a number of applications - aside from heavy plate - that benefit from the torch. I’ve used both the TIG and the Torch for a number of years, going back to 1970 in fact, and there are times when the TIG is pretty good. - tinman
@tinmantech My father was a welder at Caterpillar for over 20 years. He welded stainless track link dies with a stick welder. Personally, his favorite was the oxy-acetylene torch. He despised MIG and TIG welders for some reason. Maybe because he was an old-time welder that learned in the old days. In any case, I've seen him do some beautiful work with a torch. That having been said, I love MIGs, but am not skilled enough to use a TIG properly.
@bjzq8 We are going to be holding two classes on TIG welding in 2012. Call or email us for a brochure 530-292-3506, or workshops@tinmantech(dot)com (we also teach Torch Welding).
@bjzq8 It's not whether you are an old school craftsman or not, as much as it is the deficiencies you recognize in the newer welding methods. When the newer methods are so highly touted, despite their deficiencies, all we can do is hold them at a safe distance which sometimes requires a little attitude!
@tinmantech I know that in the auto restoration business this method is often used because it is softer on the old metal and will tend not to crack the surrounding steel.
@jaymce1 Gas Welding was used for the first 50 years of car construction because it was the only viable method. Even today, TIG welding does not give the penetration necessary for constructing these types of bodies. Additionally, with the inherent weld-density issues, consistent with TIG welding, the weld beads are large and puffy, and not flat and dense as they are with gas welding. This means gas welds are much more efficient for body construction.
@hydraman5 Also take ductility into consideration. The larger heat-affected zone acetylene creates has a friendly consequence: the larger heated area cools slower and produces a very soft and ductile weld. Kent's demonstration showed how the welded area can be formed with little risk of cracking. That's important in coachbuilding and aircraft work where the welded area may be shaped numerous times. GTAW beads are often harder and more prone to crack when worked even moderately.
@hotrodsurplus You are exactly right. Additionally, the GTAW has density issues which leave large puffy welds, which must be mowed down and cannot be hammered. - tinman
Despite what you watch on TV or are told by welding shops, O/A welding of aluminum is far from dead in industry. From my personal experience the only people that think negatively of the o/f process are ones that cannot perform it through either lack of training or skill. Both of those can be fixed. And BTW, tig was developed for magnesium welding to weld some special joints where flux would get entrapped otherwise.
very nice indeed. i have welded a lot of aluminium in my time (even stick welded it!) gas welding and the localised heating has an annealing affect upon the weldment and haz allowing you to work the metal in the fine fashion you did in the video. tig is more localised and therefore alters the micro-crystalline structure in the haz(due to rapid travel and heat rate) this would lead to quicker work hardeneing and would lead to fracture when you worked it with the pear mallet. check out my videos
Brilliant demonstration of classical welding skills. These are skills that many welders haven't spent the time to master. Nice to see I don't need a TIG machine to do these. It's time for me to give it a try!
Is that special aluminum welding paste hard to find? Could I use normal welding paste that I have for steel gas welding?
@spelunkerd That is aluminum gas welding flux. However, if you are looking for steel gas welding, you would want to use flux for steel. You can read more about steel welding flux on our website (tinmantech - dot - com) However, your best bet is to look on our website for the booklet titled "Stainless Steel Welding" which will give you a lot of info on welding steel, including a lot more info on steel fluxes. thanks for asking. - tinman
Very interesting. But I wouldn't say it's necessarily a replacement for a good tig weld. I have welded similar thickness and alloy on a TIG and with proper technique and low amperage, you can get a 100% penetration weld with next to no profile and no strength issues. None the less quite interesting to watch though.
Have you ever welded or brazed a skin on aluminum boats to hide dents? This is an idea I have been looking at and researching lately to repair dents in the sides of my 1990 crestliner aluminum. Also the hull has dents, and I wondered if sheets of aluminum brazed would help reduce drag. What do you think? Please let me know.
I haven't done exactly what you're asking, but years of experience with alum. repair & talking w/ other boat guys - you might be better off to use flush rivets and rivet a cover panel over the damage. You will need to use a boat-type sealer over the inside of the hull to seal the rivet heads. Since I don't know how severe the dents are, it is difficult to say exactly what you need (I'd think drag would improve). Have you done much aluminum repair/ welding? These repairs can be difficult. -Tinman
Yes it is very impressive, but I'd be curious to see just how a Tig welded section would have fared given the same abuse.
The fact you've started with 3003 grade and 1100 filler the metals are already at their softest state and rapid cooling (cleaning the flux) only reinforces the annealing process.
@EmObReNdAnJaCkAsS This could be done with a TIG, however in my experience, too frequently there are problems related to TIG welding doing this type of work including cracking, porosity, thick weld beads, etc. Some of us, having already experienced those results, switched to O/A because doing it with the torch is just easier, faster, cheaper, more consistent and gives better results. I've written a booklet called Authentic Aluminum Gas Welding that answers TIG vs Torch in more detail. –Tinman
Excellent video, I've never gas welded alum, only tig. I do gas weld ferrous material all the time however. I'm going to get up to speed with the gas welds on alum . Thanks for a great piece-TM
@tmackinator Thanks for your kind comments. I've done a couple of videos and a booklet on gas welding that might help you out. The videos are available for sale and for rent (only $9.50 for 30 days). You can find all the info on our website or in our catalog (you can get a free catalog by calling 530-292-3506). Anyway, the videos and the little booklet have a lot of info that will help you out if you're just getting going on gas-welding aluminum. Take care, Tinman
I see you use alot of 1100 filler. I'm curious how the overall process and/or end result may differ vs. cutting thin strips of the base material and using it as the filler material. Is a different flux needed, is brittleness of concern, and from a polished finish standpoint, does 1100 show a weld line?
I use a lot of different alloys, including 1100. Using thin strips (also called "fusion" welds) was commonly used in the 1930s. It can be done, but it certainly takes more time than using filler rod. You have asked a wide range of questions - I'm not trying to sell you a product, but most of these are answered in an a booklet I wrote called "Authentic Gas Welding" which you can get for about $9 (530-292-3506). If the weld line is finished properly you should not be able to see it. -Tinman
@sentencecaptionnorep yeah, mine said that too. with proper instruction anyone can learn to gas weld though. During WW2 the U.S. government taught thousands of young women to gas weld in a six-hour course. gas welds, as you can see here, can really handle what I call "shaping abuse." it definitely possible. -Tinman
this man is really a true artist, his talent is amazing, i bet he does lead work on hot rods too, the craftsmanship is to say the least (exceptionally amazing )
@h23sirlude I've welded aluminum very nicely with a 1934 cutting torch. I would think that one pretty well qualifies as "any torch!" here I'm using the Meco Midget torch. I use this torch because it is very lightweight which makes it easy to maneuver. -tinman
The welder is given a few choices on a given job, right? I've welded a few cars over the years and was trained on the tig a long time ago. For two years I tried the tig on the car stuff I was doing (professionally) and I went over to O/A because the speed and flatness were better. I do use the tig, but about 90% is O/A. Doesn't mean at all that the next guy will have to do that, but you have a choice. - tinman
I'm impressed with this video,and I got a few qustions.is this Al wire for the mig welders,and what is this paste you using for cleaning wire and Al sheet that you working on?
@Tranzas23 It's a Meco Torch. Use it for 95% of my oxy-acetylene welding, brazing and soldering. It's a personal favorite because it is really lightweight, especially when used with our ultra-lightweight hoses. If you want to see more, we have info and FAQs over on our website (search google for tinmantech, when you get to our site click on "products > welding > meco torch"). - tinman
Wow - so impressive. I'm a real fan of oxy acetylene and now I've got something to show those that think its a dead technique. I'm in the UK and I've only tried the lumiweld process on Al which is much easier as its brazing and you don't have to melt the parent Aluminium. I used it to mend a spoke on an aluminium pulley wheel. Going to watch the rest of your videos and then visit the website.
@ANDYT8 Hi Andy, thanks for your comment. We think you will find our products very effective for a wide variety of applications. We sell two types of aluminum brazing materials and one type of aluminum solder. Gas welding the aluminum is, of course, the strongest way to join with the butt joint. best of success. -tinman
@coelhoteixeira That is Gas Welding Flux. If you want to read more about it you can search Google for "TM Technologies gas welding flux" and that should give you a link to read more about it. thanks for watching. - tinman
That's a great torch, and it's true that Oxy-Acetylene aluminum weld is a lot more malleable than a tig weld, but you run less of a chance of blowing big holes (which have to be filled in) with a tig torch than you do with this method. If YOU'RE blowing holes in the piece with all of your experience, what do you think a new guy is going to do?
Good to show alternatives, but the tig process for our customers works far better. It also is shapable but you do have to work to prevent cracking.
@JHV166 All acquired skills offer choices. If our customers are happy to weld one side, then weld the other side, and then mow off the fat weld bead from both sides, then TIG is perfect for them. Thousands of unskilled young women learned to gas weld 330,000 US aircraft in WW2. Boeing and Douglas both gave up gas welding aluminum in 1994, but not because the TIG was in any way better, cheaper or faster than oxy-fuel. Your own mileage may vary. -tinman
@JHV166 I'm extremely adept at oxy/acet welding steel after doing it for years. I can make tig looking welds with oxy/acet and still I choose tig welding any day over oxy/acet. The penetration is better, less heat transfered into the weld, and faster, and less likely to blow holes. Tig welding was invented for these reasons. It's why Gas welding has fewer niches now that Tig welding can do so much.
@viper8red My own reasons for supporting the torch is that it does still have very good value. Your reasons are valid, as are the reasons for using the torch. Personally, I have seen enough crash damage in my time to have a pretty good feeling about using the torch over tig in aircraft 4130 applications. For aluminum, my own specialized applications for the O/A torch give me great satisfaction over the tig. Are we still friends? - tinman
@viper8red Each method has it's pros and cons. I weld with TIG, MIG, Arc and oxy/acet or oxy/LPG for brazing. For aluminum, oxy/acet can very effective specially in reparation when the metal is rather dirty/oily. The method to use depends on the work you have to do...TIG has big limitations outside its very field (fabrication of some pieces). If I had to keep only one welder for home work I would take a oxy/gas torch as it's the most versatile for heating, brazing and welding almost all metals
i am shortening the body of an 'burmabrite' alloy bodied vehicle could i use offcuts of the body as filler rather that wire would this give an ok finish?
@gurto1 Birma-bright is an English alloy similar to our 5052, named for Birmingham. I have had great success using our 5356 filler for welding Birma-bright. In a desperate poverty-stricken pinch you could snivvy off lengths of the parent metal to weld it with, like they did during the last Great Depression. -tinman
@gurto1 5% magnesium (5356) is also the recommended rod for welding birmbright by the land rover series 3 manual (i'm guessing it's a 100" or bobtail landy you're making) good luck with it :)
@RIP28397 the liquid is flux, and I'm welding aluminum with aluminum wire (this is answered in greater detail in some of the earlier comments). tinman
That is an AMAZING weld. I am starting a restoration project on an aluminium bodied car (Aston Martin DB2/4). I'm new to gas welding and would like it if you could answer a few questions.
1). Would you suggest I buy a ightweight torch for bodywork repair or is a standard medium duty torch better?
2). In the video, the two sheets are obviously new. What should I be aware of when welding new sheet to aged sheets (ie panel repair) to produce a good weld
@roodts I use only one torch, the Meco Midget, for most projects. I even used it for welding a cast aluminum timing cover last month. Clean the old sheet using 70% isopropyl and a stainless steel toothbrush. Add heat from the torch to brush off corrosion and old paint in the cracks, tears, and holes. The aluminum must be bright and shiny for the best /perfect 110% penetration to the root side – routine with the combo of torch & good procedure. (The tig needs help to get that same penetration.)
@michayl7 Yes, you are correct. TIG does stand for Tungsten Inert Gas, and it is also known at GTAW, gas tungsten arc welding. While the process looks like brazing, it is not. It is gas welding aluminum sheet with oxy-acetylene. The purpose is to show the strength of an oxy-acetylene weld when faced with "welding abuse" compared to how a TIG weld might hold up. Thanks for your comment, maybe we'll change the title. -- Tinman
@honeybunchickens Yes, you can. If you want to know how, we have a short little booklet called "Welding Stainless" available on our website. best of luck, Tinman
I like it, I like it a lot ! Can you please give me the answers to 3 questions please ?
1- What is the material you are applying with a brush just before you started welding ?
2- What is the liquid out of a bottle you used when you sanded the piece? It looked like a bottle of alcohol.....
3- After completing a aluminum weld can you use a rod for stainless steel on top of a aluminum weld that you just welded or are you suppose to ? Thank you.
TIG welding may seem faster, but it has weld density issues on thin aluminum sheet that slow it up. 1) Root-side penetration (gas welding solves this issue) and 2) thick beads (TIG beads can be 50% fatter) that don't planish well. Post-weld planishing is necessary because it removes distortion, recovers negative weld volume, evens out the weld area, and improves the strength of the HAZ. Skilled TIG welders who gas weld thin aluminum say they get less distortion and better times with gas over TIG
oxy accetaline wizard at work,as they have said it don`t get much better,iv`e got to get me some light weight gas bagging and a light weight saffire torch
Thank you. Yes, you are correct, that is aluminum MIG wire, .032 dia. and 1100 alloy. I think spools of MIG wire are cheaper than the straight sticks.
Have you heard about any explosion ,while welding with oxy-acet ? I always hear that is very dangerous ,but I ask myself,is it dangerous because its a risky process or because even though you take all the precautions, I mean flash back arrestors check valves and so on, it can explode? thanks
In my nearly 40 years of welding, I have never had an "explosion" nor have any of my working associates across the US had one. This doesn't mean that an "explosion" can't or won't occur, because with reasonable safe shop practice this 100-year-old process is very usable. Insurance companies are trying to get homeowners to use oxy-propane, because propane has a much narrower band of danger. Using proper procedure, good equipment, and flashback arrestors, and you should be very safe.
that is FLUX, and it is used with most metals when doing oxy-fuel welding -- in particular aluminum, copper, cast iron, and stainless (although not steel). you can read more about flux over at our website, where we have a lot of metalworking FAQs on welding. you can learn more by reading the product descriptions about the different flux we sell on our website. also wikipedia goes into detail on flux. good luck. Kent
what size tip do you use for aluminum sheet? beautiful work. watching you do this made me buy a torch set instead of a new tig. well that and i would have to run new wire from the pole to the house, a new fuse panel, a new meter, and about 80 feet of very expensive wire lol.
Your question, "aluminum sheet" is a very broad range, however, specifically to my project you refer to, the sheet thickness was .050" and the alloy was 3003.
I was expecting to see a stack of shiny dimes with the way this video is titled but nope. I would smooth those welds out too! My aluminum tig welds on the other hand would be a shame to put through those machines.
Well, from my experience, there are "appearance welds" (header pipes, frames, etc) and there are welds that must be worked (compound shapes and formed panels). Frankly, I see no reason to make the effort for the "appearance weld" when it must be worked afterwards. Appearance welds and wrought welds are basically a little bit different from each other. Yes, it is a shame to hammer out the pretty ripply welds, but that is what is needed in this case. -- tinman
Nice job. I'm not 100% sure what gauge that was but try putting 2 pieces of 24 gauge aluminum together and edge weld them (WITH FILLER) and keeping the same thickness and same height. Idk about O/A equipment, but I personally know it can be done with TIG equipment. But sincerely, very nice work. Sheet metal work done by (no matter what process is used) is becoming a dieing art because of the advancments in modern machines. Very good skill set to know and have.
Sir, very nice. I've never welded aluminum but have some material that i want to try welding.
What I have is Aluminum decking bars that go inside semi trailers for double decking loads. The peices are rectangular extruded aluminum 6061 if i'm not mistaken Some are made by a co. called Ancra I believe there are other materials in the bars besides alu. like magnesium maybe ? any advice on welding this type of material together ? I have oxy. acet. & a miller thunderbolt stick welder. Thanks H.
challenger7777777 1 week ago
@challenger7777777 You can stick weld with a GOOD D.C. welder, and if the aluminum is over .125 thickness, otherwise use the gas rig and 5356 filler and the aluminum gas welding flux. The alloy composition is always given by the 4-digit number as in this case you are describing 6061. You do not mention thickness, however I would guess it is between .100 and .187. You will need a tip sized #4 - 6 to do this.
tinmantech 1 day ago
Great video.It is very difficult to convince people that gas welding aluminum is possible. All the old (and new)Cobra bodies were gas welded.Ron Fournier also gas welds aluminum. He said it is especially good on tanks. If you gas weld say an oil tank on a race care and it crashes, the tank will "give" Tig would most likely brake apart. Thanks for a great video, and I would encourage anyone to attend your classes.
hotrodjoe36 1 week ago
@hotrodjoe36 thanks for your support!
tinmantech 1 day ago
Very nice work! I learned Oxy-Acetylene and stick welding when I was 15, but I'm 40 now. I was gifted a Miller MIG about 3 years ago for a project, and I'm getting my feet wet again, loving every minute of it. Trying to soak in everything I can. Now I'd like to expand my toolbox because a MIG is limited to what it can do. Nice torch! ...and thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge!
Jafromobile 3 weeks ago
You are the master of gas hands down! You have got to be a killer with a TIG torch
AeroSport103 1 month ago
@AeroSport103 I do use the TIG and people say my welds are nice, but my son is marvelous on the TIG -- but I started teaching him to weld at the age of nine, so he had an decade or so advantage on me.... thanks for the compliment. - tinman
tinmantech 1 day ago
Impressive work! I love some proof in my pudding!!!!!!
dannyrexknight 2 months ago
lovely welding :) its a shame the oxy and acetylene industries are stitched up to the hilt in the uk, the gas is really cheap & approx £15 per bottle, but the rental charge on the actual bottle send the price waaay high.....works out at approx £356 per year just to rent the bottles alone, and none of the companies will fill a privately owned bottle.....pretty sure the mafia is in charge here
whackitov 3 months ago
@whackitov It sounds to me as though England is suffering from constrictive trade practices much along the same lines as Ireland and California to name a few. I'm sorry that greed has forced such constrictions on the general population.
tinmantech 1 day ago
Wow. This is very impressive! I aspire to one day be able to melt metal with this type of skill.
gymkhanadog 4 months ago
Nice skills :)
coolstian1 4 months ago
nicely done.but a tig weld can handle much thicker material.also a tig plant can weld steel,ali,and stainless.one day you can use it to weld a hydraulic pipe joint,the next to weld two coke cans together.there's lots of techniques that we used to use but don't use now.lets put this in the drawer with our lead joint wiping tackle.
hydraman5 6 months ago
@hydraman5 Yes, I have covered the TIG vs Torch issue in depth in many articles, booklets, and public workshops over the past 20 years. Let’s not be too hasty to dismiss a viable welding method. Your results may vary, but there are a number of applications - aside from heavy plate - that benefit from the torch. I’ve used both the TIG and the Torch for a number of years, going back to 1970 in fact, and there are times when the TIG is pretty good. - tinman
tinmantech 1 month ago
@tinmantech My father was a welder at Caterpillar for over 20 years. He welded stainless track link dies with a stick welder. Personally, his favorite was the oxy-acetylene torch. He despised MIG and TIG welders for some reason. Maybe because he was an old-time welder that learned in the old days. In any case, I've seen him do some beautiful work with a torch. That having been said, I love MIGs, but am not skilled enough to use a TIG properly.
bjzq8 1 month ago
@bjzq8 We are going to be holding two classes on TIG welding in 2012. Call or email us for a brochure 530-292-3506, or workshops@tinmantech(dot)com (we also teach Torch Welding).
tinmantech 1 month ago
@bjzq8 It's not whether you are an old school craftsman or not, as much as it is the deficiencies you recognize in the newer welding methods. When the newer methods are so highly touted, despite their deficiencies, all we can do is hold them at a safe distance which sometimes requires a little attitude!
tinmantech 1 day ago
@tinmantech I know that in the auto restoration business this method is often used because it is softer on the old metal and will tend not to crack the surrounding steel.
Thanks for the vid.
jaymce1 1 month ago
@jaymce1 Gas Welding was used for the first 50 years of car construction because it was the only viable method. Even today, TIG welding does not give the penetration necessary for constructing these types of bodies. Additionally, with the inherent weld-density issues, consistent with TIG welding, the weld beads are large and puffy, and not flat and dense as they are with gas welding. This means gas welds are much more efficient for body construction.
tinmantech 1 day ago
@hydraman5 Also take ductility into consideration. The larger heat-affected zone acetylene creates has a friendly consequence: the larger heated area cools slower and produces a very soft and ductile weld. Kent's demonstration showed how the welded area can be formed with little risk of cracking. That's important in coachbuilding and aircraft work where the welded area may be shaped numerous times. GTAW beads are often harder and more prone to crack when worked even moderately.
hotrodsurplus 6 days ago
@hotrodsurplus You are exactly right. Additionally, the GTAW has density issues which leave large puffy welds, which must be mowed down and cannot be hammered. - tinman
tinmantech 1 day ago
Despite what you watch on TV or are told by welding shops, O/A welding of aluminum is far from dead in industry. From my personal experience the only people that think negatively of the o/f process are ones that cannot perform it through either lack of training or skill. Both of those can be fixed. And BTW, tig was developed for magnesium welding to weld some special joints where flux would get entrapped otherwise.
makoman1860 7 months ago
Nice work Tin Man. Do you find it to be stronger than a T.I.G. root?
Patrickiscool69 7 months ago
@Patrickiscool69 Yes.
tinmantech 1 day ago
very nice indeed. i have welded a lot of aluminium in my time (even stick welded it!) gas welding and the localised heating has an annealing affect upon the weldment and haz allowing you to work the metal in the fine fashion you did in the video. tig is more localised and therefore alters the micro-crystalline structure in the haz(due to rapid travel and heat rate) this would lead to quicker work hardeneing and would lead to fracture when you worked it with the pear mallet. check out my videos
weldtech1 8 months ago
Brilliant demonstration of classical welding skills. These are skills that many welders haven't spent the time to master. Nice to see I don't need a TIG machine to do these. It's time for me to give it a try!
Is that special aluminum welding paste hard to find? Could I use normal welding paste that I have for steel gas welding?
spelunkerd 8 months ago
@spelunkerd That is aluminum gas welding flux. However, if you are looking for steel gas welding, you would want to use flux for steel. You can read more about steel welding flux on our website (tinmantech - dot - com) However, your best bet is to look on our website for the booklet titled "Stainless Steel Welding" which will give you a lot of info on welding steel, including a lot more info on steel fluxes. thanks for asking. - tinman
tinmantech 8 months ago
Excellent sir, thanks for a great post!
skylighter15 9 months ago
When your good, your just good.! :)
TekkHakk 10 months ago
you are an artist sir...
porkpig350 10 months ago
Amazing work
ajmielke 11 months ago
Very interesting. But I wouldn't say it's necessarily a replacement for a good tig weld. I have welded similar thickness and alloy on a TIG and with proper technique and low amperage, you can get a 100% penetration weld with next to no profile and no strength issues. None the less quite interesting to watch though.
jjrob1989 11 months ago
Have you ever welded or brazed a skin on aluminum boats to hide dents? This is an idea I have been looking at and researching lately to repair dents in the sides of my 1990 crestliner aluminum. Also the hull has dents, and I wondered if sheets of aluminum brazed would help reduce drag. What do you think? Please let me know.
Thanks Al
allanjenny 1 year ago
I haven't done exactly what you're asking, but years of experience with alum. repair & talking w/ other boat guys - you might be better off to use flush rivets and rivet a cover panel over the damage. You will need to use a boat-type sealer over the inside of the hull to seal the rivet heads. Since I don't know how severe the dents are, it is difficult to say exactly what you need (I'd think drag would improve). Have you done much aluminum repair/ welding? These repairs can be difficult. -Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@tinmantech u could just blowtorch or heat gun em
joek0617 4 months ago
@tinmantech Gloves please.
youmadbro96 2 months ago
Yes it is very impressive, but I'd be curious to see just how a Tig welded section would have fared given the same abuse.
The fact you've started with 3003 grade and 1100 filler the metals are already at their softest state and rapid cooling (cleaning the flux) only reinforces the annealing process.
Regards Andrew.
EmObReNdAnJaCkAsS 1 year ago
@EmObReNdAnJaCkAsS This could be done with a TIG, however in my experience, too frequently there are problems related to TIG welding doing this type of work including cracking, porosity, thick weld beads, etc. Some of us, having already experienced those results, switched to O/A because doing it with the torch is just easier, faster, cheaper, more consistent and gives better results. I've written a booklet called Authentic Aluminum Gas Welding that answers TIG vs Torch in more detail. –Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Excellent video, I've never gas welded alum, only tig. I do gas weld ferrous material all the time however. I'm going to get up to speed with the gas welds on alum . Thanks for a great piece-TM
tmackinator 1 year ago
@tmackinator Thanks for your kind comments. I've done a couple of videos and a booklet on gas welding that might help you out. The videos are available for sale and for rent (only $9.50 for 30 days). You can find all the info on our website or in our catalog (you can get a free catalog by calling 530-292-3506). Anyway, the videos and the little booklet have a lot of info that will help you out if you're just getting going on gas-welding aluminum. Take care, Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Wow unreal excellent skills
73sebrougham 1 year ago
@73sebrougham Thanks. Appreciate the comment... -Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Great video, thanks for sharing, I'm to do an aluminum rolls next (restoration) and came across your video, great work : )
TheTagzen 1 year ago
@TheTagzen Thanks Tagzen. It's nice to hear that people like the video. Good luck on your restoration project. -Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Kent,
I see you use alot of 1100 filler. I'm curious how the overall process and/or end result may differ vs. cutting thin strips of the base material and using it as the filler material. Is a different flux needed, is brittleness of concern, and from a polished finish standpoint, does 1100 show a weld line?
Thanks for your time!
BurntAgainstTheStars 1 year ago
I use a lot of different alloys, including 1100. Using thin strips (also called "fusion" welds) was commonly used in the 1930s. It can be done, but it certainly takes more time than using filler rod. You have asked a wide range of questions - I'm not trying to sell you a product, but most of these are answered in an a booklet I wrote called "Authentic Gas Welding" which you can get for about $9 (530-292-3506). If the weld line is finished properly you should not be able to see it. -Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Ooh...I need that louver punch/machine!!!
lolley1100 1 year ago
My teacher tells me that this is impossibile lol
sentencecaptionnorep 1 year ago
@sentencecaptionnorep yeah, mine said that too. with proper instruction anyone can learn to gas weld though. During WW2 the U.S. government taught thousands of young women to gas weld in a six-hour course. gas welds, as you can see here, can really handle what I call "shaping abuse." it definitely possible. -Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
wow looks like one cast even after hammering it ! respect bro ;o) !!!
beckenheim101 1 year ago
this man is really a true artist, his talent is amazing, i bet he does lead work on hot rods too, the craftsmanship is to say the least (exceptionally amazing )
MrRatchopp 1 year ago
@MrRatchopp you are very kind. thank you. - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
I can see that you are a master craftsman tinman, from the old school, they dont make them like you anymore. Thanks for posting
wallabybob12 1 year ago
Would you recommend 1100 filler rod for welding 6xxx series? If not, what would be the right choice?
rocksteadyteddy77 1 year ago
@rocksteadyteddy77 For welding 6xxx to 6xxx, use 5356. -tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
very impressive, i'll try it.
Can i use 000 to do it?
dvd0505 1 year ago
@dvd0505 Yes, you can. Give it a try. I don't know what torch you have. - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Tinman, your a badass.
abw6969 1 year ago
first time i saw welding alum like this. thanks for the video, and torch with do ?
h23sirlude 1 year ago
@h23sirlude The torch will do 5mm aluminum and 6mm steel. I've done .25mm aluminum, also. -tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@tinmantech Sorry tinman for the spelling it's was late, I can't read my writing. I want to asked any Torch will do the job?
h23sirlude 1 year ago
@h23sirlude I've welded aluminum very nicely with a 1934 cutting torch. I would think that one pretty well qualifies as "any torch!" here I'm using the Meco Midget torch. I use this torch because it is very lightweight which makes it easy to maneuver. -tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
if this were steel the mig/tig would be a better method??? or is this stronger? I use mig/tig and havent tried this yet, looks intresting
liteumup69 1 year ago
The welder is given a few choices on a given job, right? I've welded a few cars over the years and was trained on the tig a long time ago. For two years I tried the tig on the car stuff I was doing (professionally) and I went over to O/A because the speed and flatness were better. I do use the tig, but about 90% is O/A. Doesn't mean at all that the next guy will have to do that, but you have a choice. - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
I'm impressed with this video,and I got a few qustions.is this Al wire for the mig welders,and what is this paste you using for cleaning wire and Al sheet that you working on?
p.s.
sory for bad spelling,my English is not so good
wiz019 1 year ago
The aluminum filler wire is spooled wire, 1100 alloy.
White paste is aluminum gas welding flux mixed with water.
The aluminum sheet is 3003 alloy, .050 thickness.
Glad you liked watching.
- tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
What welder is this?
Tranzas23 1 year ago
@Tranzas23 It's a Meco Torch. Use it for 95% of my oxy-acetylene welding, brazing and soldering. It's a personal favorite because it is really lightweight, especially when used with our ultra-lightweight hoses. If you want to see more, we have info and FAQs over on our website (search google for tinmantech, when you get to our site click on "products > welding > meco torch"). - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Wow - so impressive. I'm a real fan of oxy acetylene and now I've got something to show those that think its a dead technique. I'm in the UK and I've only tried the lumiweld process on Al which is much easier as its brazing and you don't have to melt the parent Aluminium. I used it to mend a spoke on an aluminium pulley wheel. Going to watch the rest of your videos and then visit the website.
ANDYT8 1 year ago
@ANDYT8 Hi Andy, thanks for your comment. We think you will find our products very effective for a wide variety of applications. We sell two types of aluminum brazing materials and one type of aluminum solder. Gas welding the aluminum is, of course, the strongest way to join with the butt joint. best of success. -tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Not bad for an old man great stuff
GTEEES 1 year ago
I prefer walking the cup, but i have to say, that looks damn good.
TheRedneck344 1 year ago
What is the "painting " product? Can someone tell me?Thanks
coelhoteixeira 1 year ago
@coelhoteixeira That is Gas Welding Flux. If you want to read more about it you can search Google for "TM Technologies gas welding flux" and that should give you a link to read more about it. thanks for watching. - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@coelhoteixeira i think its flux of somesort
6013welder 1 year ago
That's a great torch, and it's true that Oxy-Acetylene aluminum weld is a lot more malleable than a tig weld, but you run less of a chance of blowing big holes (which have to be filled in) with a tig torch than you do with this method. If YOU'RE blowing holes in the piece with all of your experience, what do you think a new guy is going to do?
Good to show alternatives, but the tig process for our customers works far better. It also is shapable but you do have to work to prevent cracking.
JHV166 1 year ago
@JHV166 All acquired skills offer choices. If our customers are happy to weld one side, then weld the other side, and then mow off the fat weld bead from both sides, then TIG is perfect for them. Thousands of unskilled young women learned to gas weld 330,000 US aircraft in WW2. Boeing and Douglas both gave up gas welding aluminum in 1994, but not because the TIG was in any way better, cheaper or faster than oxy-fuel. Your own mileage may vary. -tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@JHV166 I'm extremely adept at oxy/acet welding steel after doing it for years. I can make tig looking welds with oxy/acet and still I choose tig welding any day over oxy/acet. The penetration is better, less heat transfered into the weld, and faster, and less likely to blow holes. Tig welding was invented for these reasons. It's why Gas welding has fewer niches now that Tig welding can do so much.
viper8red 1 year ago
@viper8red My own reasons for supporting the torch is that it does still have very good value. Your reasons are valid, as are the reasons for using the torch. Personally, I have seen enough crash damage in my time to have a pretty good feeling about using the torch over tig in aircraft 4130 applications. For aluminum, my own specialized applications for the O/A torch give me great satisfaction over the tig. Are we still friends? - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@viper8red Each method has it's pros and cons. I weld with TIG, MIG, Arc and oxy/acet or oxy/LPG for brazing. For aluminum, oxy/acet can very effective specially in reparation when the metal is rather dirty/oily. The method to use depends on the work you have to do...TIG has big limitations outside its very field (fabrication of some pieces). If I had to keep only one welder for home work I would take a oxy/gas torch as it's the most versatile for heating, brazing and welding almost all metals
Nounours821 1 year ago
wow...
AlienProphecy 1 year ago
Yeah you are are doing a safe working environment lol no gloves.
lct0227 1 year ago
@lct0227 Gloves are are for sissies
Mentorcase 1 year ago
wicked
hazyn123 1 year ago
i am shortening the body of an 'burmabrite' alloy bodied vehicle could i use offcuts of the body as filler rather that wire would this give an ok finish?
gurto1 1 year ago
@gurto1 Birma-bright is an English alloy similar to our 5052, named for Birmingham. I have had great success using our 5356 filler for welding Birma-bright. In a desperate poverty-stricken pinch you could snivvy off lengths of the parent metal to weld it with, like they did during the last Great Depression. -tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@gurto1 5% magnesium (5356) is also the recommended rod for welding birmbright by the land rover series 3 manual (i'm guessing it's a 100" or bobtail landy you're making) good luck with it :)
ragnarokzero1988 1 year ago
ragnarokzero1988
You are correct about the 5356 filler for Birmabright, and that alloy was used on many different vehicles. - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@ragnarokzero1988 You are correct about the 5356 filler for Birmabright, and that alloy was used on many different vehicles.
tinmantech 1 year ago
yo bro....what stuffs u usin?...i mean what you call d small torch d press d shaper pump what you called that thingy...
DBALUGA199 1 year ago
what is that liquid you use ?and that wire is a aluminum 2?
RIP28397 1 year ago
@RIP28397 if you read through the other comments you will find answers to your questions. best of luck. - tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
just asking what is that liquid that you use...and that wire is a aluminum 2.....tnx
RIP28397 1 year ago
@RIP28397 the liquid is flux, and I'm welding aluminum with aluminum wire (this is answered in greater detail in some of the earlier comments). tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
That is an AMAZING weld. I am starting a restoration project on an aluminium bodied car (Aston Martin DB2/4). I'm new to gas welding and would like it if you could answer a few questions.
1). Would you suggest I buy a ightweight torch for bodywork repair or is a standard medium duty torch better?
2). In the video, the two sheets are obviously new. What should I be aware of when welding new sheet to aged sheets (ie panel repair) to produce a good weld
roodts 1 year ago
@roodts I use only one torch, the Meco Midget, for most projects. I even used it for welding a cast aluminum timing cover last month. Clean the old sheet using 70% isopropyl and a stainless steel toothbrush. Add heat from the torch to brush off corrosion and old paint in the cracks, tears, and holes. The aluminum must be bright and shiny for the best /perfect 110% penetration to the root side – routine with the combo of torch & good procedure. (The tig needs help to get that same penetration.)
tinmantech 1 year ago
damn your a badass, im pretty new to welding,
coalandnuclear 1 year ago
TIG stands for tungsten inert gas. I didn't see a tungsten or an inert gas in the video. But the name of the video is how good is your "TIG" weld?
Isn't what your doing in the video called brazing?
I've been welding for 8 years.
michayl7 1 year ago
@michayl7 Yes, you are correct. TIG does stand for Tungsten Inert Gas, and it is also known at GTAW, gas tungsten arc welding. While the process looks like brazing, it is not. It is gas welding aluminum sheet with oxy-acetylene. The purpose is to show the strength of an oxy-acetylene weld when faced with "welding abuse" compared to how a TIG weld might hold up. Thanks for your comment, maybe we'll change the title. -- Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@tinmantech Can you do thin stainless steel with oxy-acetylene like your doing there or just aluminum.
honeybunchickens 1 year ago
@honeybunchickens Yes, you can. If you want to know how, we have a short little booklet called "Welding Stainless" available on our website. best of luck, Tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Great Job !
I like it, I like it a lot ! Can you please give me the answers to 3 questions please ?
1- What is the material you are applying with a brush just before you started welding ?
2- What is the liquid out of a bottle you used when you sanded the piece? It looked like a bottle of alcohol.....
3- After completing a aluminum weld can you use a rod for stainless steel on top of a aluminum weld that you just welded or are you suppose to ? Thank you.
1andonlyelvis 1 year ago
@1andonlyelvis
1) The material is a powdered aluminum gas welding flux that is mixed with spring water to make a paste.
2) yes, that is 70% isopropyl alcohol.
3) I know nothing about adding a stainless rod after welding, so I do not do that.
best of luck, tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
you could have used tig and been done that in 10 seconds not 10 minutes
matt986423 1 year ago
TIG welding may seem faster, but it has weld density issues on thin aluminum sheet that slow it up. 1) Root-side penetration (gas welding solves this issue) and 2) thick beads (TIG beads can be 50% fatter) that don't planish well. Post-weld planishing is necessary because it removes distortion, recovers negative weld volume, evens out the weld area, and improves the strength of the HAZ. Skilled TIG welders who gas weld thin aluminum say they get less distortion and better times with gas over TIG
tinmantech 1 year ago
oxy accetaline wizard at work,as they have said it don`t get much better,iv`e got to get me some light weight gas bagging and a light weight saffire torch
fredbcj 1 year ago
It doesn't get much better than that.
ytmachx 1 year ago
AMAZING !!!! VERY GOOD JOB !
maikv6 1 year ago
very nice!!!...what filler rod do u like to use for 3003, 5052 and 6061? Thanks
youcantleaveDave 1 year ago
For 3003 I use 1100.
For 6061 and 5052 I use 5356.
No 4043 for me, except on castings.
Best of success and joy,
tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
@tinmantech awesome TINMAN !!! TY, will use that for my gas tanks and fairings:).......
youcantleaveDave 1 year ago
Is the filler material from the spool aluminum mig wire?
redwelter2009 1 year ago
Yes, indeedy-do. And it saves me having to sweep up all the "stubs" at the end of the day. Just lazy, I guess.
tinmantech 1 year ago
What was used as the filler coming off the spool? Is it aluminum mig wire? Beautiful work by the way.
redwelter2009 1 year ago
Thank you. Yes, you are correct, that is aluminum MIG wire, .032 dia. and 1100 alloy. I think spools of MIG wire are cheaper than the straight sticks.
tinmantech 1 year ago
Have you heard about any explosion ,while welding with oxy-acet ? I always hear that is very dangerous ,but I ask myself,is it dangerous because its a risky process or because even though you take all the precautions, I mean flash back arrestors check valves and so on, it can explode? thanks
qwertrewq9879878712 1 year ago
In my nearly 40 years of welding, I have never had an "explosion" nor have any of my working associates across the US had one. This doesn't mean that an "explosion" can't or won't occur, because with reasonable safe shop practice this 100-year-old process is very usable. Insurance companies are trying to get homeowners to use oxy-propane, because propane has a much narrower band of danger. Using proper procedure, good equipment, and flashback arrestors, and you should be very safe.
tinmantech 1 year ago
what is the name of that liquid or powder you use with brush?
supperstorm 1 year ago
that is FLUX, and it is used with most metals when doing oxy-fuel welding -- in particular aluminum, copper, cast iron, and stainless (although not steel). you can read more about flux over at our website, where we have a lot of metalworking FAQs on welding. you can learn more by reading the product descriptions about the different flux we sell on our website. also wikipedia goes into detail on flux. good luck. Kent
tinmantech 1 year ago
Yep, those welds sure do pass my tests!
turbotrana 1 year ago
Amazing work Kent. I love my Meco midget!
wohopto 1 year ago
what size tip do you use for aluminum sheet? beautiful work. watching you do this made me buy a torch set instead of a new tig. well that and i would have to run new wire from the pole to the house, a new fuse panel, a new meter, and about 80 feet of very expensive wire lol.
craveman85 1 year ago
Your question, "aluminum sheet" is a very broad range, however, specifically to my project you refer to, the sheet thickness was .050" and the alloy was 3003.
Best of joy,
tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
I was expecting to see a stack of shiny dimes with the way this video is titled but nope. I would smooth those welds out too! My aluminum tig welds on the other hand would be a shame to put through those machines.
bmgstang 1 year ago
Well, from my experience, there are "appearance welds" (header pipes, frames, etc) and there are welds that must be worked (compound shapes and formed panels). Frankly, I see no reason to make the effort for the "appearance weld" when it must be worked afterwards. Appearance welds and wrought welds are basically a little bit different from each other. Yes, it is a shame to hammer out the pretty ripply welds, but that is what is needed in this case. -- tinman
tinmantech 1 year ago
Nice job. I'm not 100% sure what gauge that was but try putting 2 pieces of 24 gauge aluminum together and edge weld them (WITH FILLER) and keeping the same thickness and same height. Idk about O/A equipment, but I personally know it can be done with TIG equipment. But sincerely, very nice work. Sheet metal work done by (no matter what process is used) is becoming a dieing art because of the advancments in modern machines. Very good skill set to know and have.
8aturner1989 1 year ago
gauge was .050 aluminum.
kent
tinmantech 1 year ago
very cool
jonr620 1 year ago
cool video :) thumbs up!
Switch3287 1 year ago
Great job
amtipdrill 1 year ago
What product he applys on the wire?
coelhoteixeira 2 years ago
Relaxing...as it should be. It sucks grinding for hours. Thanks for sharing.
LenapeFireTurtle 2 years ago
be nice to compare it to a tig weld thatwas flame annealed.
kent great job as always
johnptc 2 years ago
wow great job.
camochannel1 2 years ago
Well, that solves a few 40 year old nags I had.
Great demo with no BS.
N31373 2 years ago