Love KDE...but why can't they get rid of the ugly gray frame for menu's and such. Try something new that looks more appealing that bringing up say the "Systems Settings" menu and you're staring at this mottled gray plain box. Make it glossy maybe, remove it entirely and allow the menu to be free floating, have animations...anything.
@GIMPMan1972 How about people makinng videos get used to the idea that every video doesn't need some queerboy music? I end up muting all of youtube..twat.
@ScorpioRising07 Totally... If You Just Disable The Compositioning Effects And Use A Theme That's Not So Snazzy... It Would Work Better On Any Slow Computer... KDE Is Really Scarce On Resources...
@grics85 KDE isn't slow but you do need a decent PC for it, KDE uses more resources then Gnome. I personally perfer Openbox it's more of the Linux way in my opinion.
Gnome 2.x is dead and hasn't seen any noticeable changes for at least 6 months. Canonical should start supporting KDE more, since the Shell might take another year being really usefull and as far as i can tell.
@Goo9leRWifiCriminals Sorry but LXDE is going nowhere. It's good for very low end machines but worthless for today's specs. Just like XFCE doesn't have any drag and drop and looks like something from the 90s.
XFCE is good for low end machines, my Wife uses it on her old IBM Thinkpad but that's not where all the desktop users are. KDE4 looks modern like Windows 7, where all the desktop action is.
@TheCapeItsMe No No No No No buddy you totally wrong windows 7=kde microsoft stole most of the kde features you should read about it but talking about xp i think that microsoft totaly 4got that they have something windows xp you should 4get that too Cheers :)
can anyone help me?, i upgraded to kde 4.4 on kubuntu 9.10 and since then i cannot shutdown or reboot the computer from the menu, i have to do it from konsole, i already search the web and still no answer, thanks in advance
KDE es muy potente graficamente. Personalmente uso Gnome (Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala). Alguna vez tengo que probarlo. Linda demostracion GIMPman1972. Saludos¡¡¡
ya i don't like konqueror either. I use an intel-compiled-optimized firefox + a persistent DNS cache. it is the fastest linux web-browsing i've ever seen!
KDE 4.4 is very feature rich, i tried it out but i hate how every app starts with a K, and i couldn't stick with it. if i wanted to use windows7 - i would use windows7...
i use Xfce and gnome - i can make them "lite", and low on resources, even with all of the linux bells and whistles. i found KDE was a bit too much, and less customizable
so you did optimize & compile your own firefox, right? if so, wow! I am not that good, I can compile but I have no knowledge to optimize. anyway, I can live with chromium, it 's pretty fast, too.
if you can setup the Intel C++ compiler, there are guides on the net, and patches provided by LinuxDNA - they are the guys who ported the linux kernel & software from GCC to ICC.
it isn't that difficult, if you can compile things yourself and can add ICC to your path. you can get a non-commercial license for intel's ICC.
i do know how to optimize but i am better with GCC, i required help to use ICC, but it works great!
i'll post some links (i just gotta look around again..)
my kernel is next for ICC, i use Zen-kernel with Fedora 12.
right now i barely break 120meg of RAM + use very low CPU when idle - like 3-6% CPU with BFS scheduler too.
i use compiz + gnome + dockbarX. really good optimization!
once Linuxdna provide 32bit patches for v2.6.32, i will Patch Zen to use ICC and get an even faster kernel & modules. my laptop for being old, is surprisingly already a speed demon, i have a really wicked desktop - i used to use OSX more, now i use fedora mostly.
That's cool, I'll look up to it. But I guess I won't be into compiling my own kernel, since it takes huge time. I don't want to spend 1 - 1.5 hours in front of the computer just to get a 1 second advantage on boot. Btw, once for fun, I installed ubuntu minimum and my desktop spent 80 MB of ram when idle, maybe you want to try that too. using arch linux with kde4 now, I am pretty happy with that.
@sonay1986 i get way more than a one-second boot speed increase, and overall performance is much better, i can get into much deeper setting with total granular control. my machine performs much much better. i don't use ubuntu only fedora and gentoo, arch is really good to though..
and im not talking about minimum install, im talking fully-blown flashy as hell and a speed pig with optimal performance. which i need for multimedia/proaudio
@triplesquarednine by minimum install i meant i installed all the stuff from the core by myself, that way, I didn't have most of the binaries that comes with ubuntu standart. so all the fancy stuff + a very powerful desktop was possible with 80 MB rams. you might be pretty right about compiling your own kernel, since I have no experience. But all i heard about compiling your own kernel was about boot time and it takes only 2-3 seconds(tops) to load the pre-compiled kernel on boot.
@sonay1986 ppl who think the main beneift of a custom kernel is boot time, are dumb. it is for performance/optimization.
my gentoo box uses 90meg but my fedora requires more but actually is better for what i use it for. ubuntu has never cut it for me, not even close. but i have no diea why ubuntu seems to be shittier, it just does.
@triplesquarednine Productive desktop, with some server abilities. It's fully functional, I can start and use every program, that I'd like to install. I use if for CAS, some programming, LaTeX, and hobbyist midi / audio, occasional games.The only difference is the much lower background memory usage. No Gnome/KDE - lots hundreds of Mb more for applications. But the true reason I like fluxbox is its aesthetics, I like minimalism.
@SeltsamerAttraktor i don't think you have hundreds more MB of ram for applications, more like 50-60mg, which isn't alot more, especially when you we commonly are running 2-4gig of ram, right?
i like fluxbox, but i mostly use a GL-desktop. and nautilus is a must for me.
i do virtualization, run maya with luxrender and work with wineASIO(VSTs).
i use midi-loopback, jack and wineserver at boot with commands like schedtool, this takes extra memory...performance! :)
I'm not a KDE fan, and I don't know if it's the tripped out music that is influencing me, but KDE as actually looking quite cool these days. Might have to install KDE on a second computer. Nice video by the way.
Freaking Amazing! Linux has needed this.. A lot of people won't use Linux because its ugly, and clunky feeling, well KDE has sure got it right this time
no, i think people don't use linux because they aren't into CLI, which is a big part of linux. and because things can be tricky to setup sometimes - drivers, hardware,custom kernels, compiling software.
Yes very true, a lot of people i've found, even in my IT program to be afraid of Linux for that.
I like the command line options, however, the Graphical user interface is usually what pushes me away, as well as my friends..
There are so many complete distros that you hardly ever need to setup drivers, or compile software.. In fact I've used the simple Ubuntu based distros and never had to compile software for two years, they are already pre compiled and available to install in a graphical way.
buy a tablet, usb wifi or audio = setting up drivers, a fact!
linux sucks under general stock-type conditions.
the user must set up a really optimized OS & software. the real power is in the optimization and scale of the OS & software.
just like a "stock kernel" has a bunch of modules you do not use or need. wasting precious RAM & CPU. the result is you end up with a system that really isn't very good.
what's the point of using it, if it lacks the power, and you lack the power tools?
the GUI is completely superficial, and linux allows complete manipulation VERY EASILY. so i don't get you or your IT friends logic. there are what, like 30 different window managers + numerous desktops? most of which are easy to install, customize & use. i imagine you don't do very much with linux, if you never in 2yrs, have setup/compiled anything yourself. i also imagine you system is much slower than someone's who is on lesser hardware, but more optimized.
Dude no, I mean its easy if you don't wanna do anything and just use the desktop distros, personally i've done a bunch of shit with it, but lately i've just used Windows 7 because i'm too much of a gamer.
and yes I agree, its much better as a command line server, great for specific use.
@historyiseverything it much better for not just CLi server, but server in genrel. i would never USE M$ server, it just isn't good enough in comparison.
@SeltsamerAttraktor Wow, I didn't hear about that, that sounds great. Only problem is all the games that I even bother playing are all Windows only. Guess i'll have to wait for them to port to Mac first, then possibly they'll port to Linux... seems a way off, just gotta be patient eh?
Well, depends on the games you use to play. If you change your gaming habit a bit, you'd be able to ditch Windows, like I did. I'm not much into that though, my last game I bought is many years old now. These days I play mostly Nexiuz and Tremulous, more complex games won't run on my laptop with Intel shitgraphics. I used to play SimCity4, BF1942 and BF2 on wine, but punkbuster doesn't work there.
@SeltsamerAttraktor Lol i'm not against linux or anything, I'm a network / systems admin, I use it all the time,but just not for gaming. And honestly, I used to play linux games all the time, because I used to be all Linux, but I built a new computer, realized how much better some of the new games were, and can't switch back, and honestly I don't think Windows is something I need to ditch, 7 works amazing, which is why I haven't switched back to Linux since my Linux to Windows switch a year ago.
There are quite a few commercial and good looking games that run natively on Linux these days, such as Quake Wars, Doom3, UT2003/2004, Cold War, EVE Online, MoHAA, Quake4, Lugaru, Neverwinter Nights, etc.
Primal Carnage and Afterfall Universe will be released this year, UT3 is about to be ported, and the upcoming Rage too, Overgrowth, Amnesia - The Dark Descent are announced to be cross platform.
@SeltsamerAttraktor The only games I play now since I ditched sauerbraten and wolfenstein et, are napoleon total war, and modern warfare 2.. it isn't a thing about money as to why I use to use linux, I have access to as many copies of windows I need.. but I have to say Linux is great for my purposes at the moment, servers mainly.
@historyiseverything Hehe, sounded like you'd only be waiting for some particular games. At least in regards to Modern Warfare 2 I can tell you that I know someone who plays that occasionally with Wine. Even found some video here watch?v=KD3-u90BC78
I think I missed some. Ahh and don't forget all these Source games. Aaand you may want to google for the Unigine Engine, it looks very promising and it's cross platform. And don't forget good old wine, it has come a long way the last years. Many games now run perfectly.
I can't tell you much about drivers, I only own a laptop with Intel GMA965, and some old GeForce 5k-8k cards, that run nicely with Nvidia's driver. I didn't bother to test suspend in years. Phoronix does some benchmarks every then and now and it turns out, that the nvidia linux driver has a much better performance than its Mac counterpart.
@SeltsamerAttraktor Oh ok, I can tell you from my experience the drivers are terrible... at least they were 6 months ago for both of my computers. However, everything you are telling me is what I already know, I am a Linux geek as well you see. Although I must agree Wine has come a long way, but is still limited to what it can do. Time will tell, and if companies start porting over and supporting Linux, then things will get a lot better. Until then it just isn't reasonable for people unlike us
@SeltsamerAttraktor Not to mention playing games on horrid drivers kinda makes me cringe... who has the best current drivers for linux? I know ATI has stopped supporting not very old cards, and I had to use the open source drivers, causing my system to be semi-unusable, and the open source games would fail. Has nvidia fixed their sleep bug yet? Just curious as I havent been right into linux loop for a while.
nobody makes custom kernels these days, if they are not nerdy, then it's no problem. for distributions like ubuntu, almost every program is compiled and many little GUI applications are written for the CLI needs and drivers mostly don't need to be compiled as they're packaged and shipped in os. I think you're magnifying a very small group
@sonay1986 i think more ppl use custom kernels than you think, i get atleast 20 emails a week from people asking for help. who need a better kernel than any stock kernel in a distro provides. it becomes obvious when you are doing things like proaudio or multimedia. the performance differences can be quite staggering.
but for joe-blow who doesn't use it for more than common task, you r probably correct. :)
is that a serious comment? I am just a IT guy who uses all operating systems, and supports all operating systems, displaying my opinion does not mean I have been paid by Microsoft. Besides I was a Linux activist for over 2 years, so whatever my comment was about KDE 4.4, it could not have been completely negative. I am sure I was saying I was unimpressed by bugs, but that it was a huge leap forward over 4.0?
@kde7rs Perhaps you shouldn't judge my comments based upon an older version of KDE, KDE 4.6 is very nice BTW. Besides i'm a Linux enthusiast, and I am allowed to express myself. Go away you troll.
With every new release of KDE, I give it a try for a week and end up using gnome. I'm gonna use KDE 4.4 on my arch linux now. Hopefully, it's as solid as gnome this time.
Kubuntu is one of the sloppiest implementations of KDE 4 that ive used it caused me to stop using it and opt for Mandriva. Both that and OpenSuse are really the best distros for KDE
Heu... J'ai rien vu passer de nouveau, très franchement, sauf quelques gadgets qui compliquent inutilement l'interface du système d'exploitation en plus de le rendre instable (s'agit d'avoir la 4.3 pour le savoir d'expérience).
Bref, heureusement que la musique de Jean-Michel Jarre était là pour ajouter du punch et sauver la présentation.
is this whole kde thing only about options and configuration dialogs? At least that's the impression I get after watching that video. Sorry, I stay with gnome ...
KDE has good people and they produce good apps too - but the massive options were the reason I switched back to gnome when 4.x appeared. From time to time I'm having a look on the other side, .. the grass is greener, more candy, on the other side and I'm glad having k3b and digikam. Would like to see either some kde features on gnome or gnome-like defaults and options on kde, but that's all.
Well you can make it look even more minimal if you want. Look at the second video and see the file manager(Dolphin). KDE has always been about letting the user configure it highly, where gnome just likes to remove those options.
Just two days waiting, I hope allot of instability bugs are fixed in KDE 4.4. More features doesn't concern me, I want the stability I had with GNOME. GNOME 3.0 is a dead concept, so come on KDE, FIX IT!
Why all this trolling about which is better of Gnome and KDE? Myself I am a KDE user, but I am happy they have a very strong competitor in Gnome to keep the project at their toes. Freedom and choice is what FOSS is all about! I wish both projects best of luck and an innovative future that hopefully will beat the socks out of commercial contenders one day! :)
Keruaran you are very wrong.. Gnome is much easier to customize than KDE although I don't see why that matters. I don't know how you can say it doesn't have graphical tools considering the entire "Appearance" dialog.
This is video is actually pre-beta and beta2+ has nice new smooth animations for when you add new widgets. Also 'a lot' of bugs have been fixed since.
Wish I could use 4.4 Beta 2... Used it for a long while, but I found several bugs, including one that buggered up plasma ('cause I switched from -desktop to -netbook and all sorts of stuff started going wrong).
But yeah, I've reported a lot of bugs, and some of them got fixed only moments after I reported them, so I'm looking forward to when it's officially stable. Kubuntu Lucid will be awesome.
7=vista+kde4+macOS, doesnt have nothing new, KDE team is awsome kde4 started too buggy but with 4.3 is very nice, i use it with archlinux and it runs smoth as silk, and only takes like 300 MB of ram
btw i use it in 1920x1200 with a geforce 9600 GS
Its not just pretty it has a lot of apps to make your life easier, i used to use LXDE or Openbox but KDE is just to good and i have to use some ram openbox only takes 100 MB i have 4 GB
i play pes 2010 via wine better than i do in vista
its true that X used to suck but now its fine and things evolve on linux much faster but if u are happy with windows use it at will, if u want to not know your SO and dont want to configure it windows is fine i still think Mac OSX is better than windows for the normal user but i dont care
hey buddy, thanks for the video review! I was just wondering what kind of video card do you have? I'm thinking of getting a lappy with intel 4500mhd but not sure if kde with effects on will run smoothly even on higher resolutions (1920x1200)...
Ah nice improvement on the background choosing dialogue. The KDE team are doing such impressive work its great. I think its time for me to get meself into Arch or Chakra and get into the latest kdemod-testing repos. :D
Dude a big advice, dont start with chackra u have to feel the pain of instaling archlinux otherwise when somthing breaks u will not know what to do, if u know arch u know linux, it will be very hard to install it but use a guide and try to understand what u are doing and u will be an expert on linux
It appears lot of polishing has been done to KDE, which is great.
Nonetheless I would love to see something new. Sure, adding Windows Aero features or the Mac-like widget selector is good, but the strongest part of this video for me is the WINDOWS GROUPING! (I just hope one will combine two windows in much smarter way than context menus - maybe using the middle mouse button as 2nd video suggests.)
I believe Plasma is great framework for delivering new GUI concepts, I cannot wait to see some!
You could post in in an annotation or in the description, or you could make this video a response to part ii. That's what a lot of people do on YouTube.
Wow. KDE looks great for dicking around on! I mean, that's what computer users really need. We need dicking around with our desktop to look AWESOME! Thanks KDE!
otro motivo mas para usar KDE muy chingon!!!!!
nerycastillo021 1 month ago
Love KDE...but why can't they get rid of the ugly gray frame for menu's and such. Try something new that looks more appealing that bringing up say the "Systems Settings" menu and you're staring at this mottled gray plain box. Make it glossy maybe, remove it entirely and allow the menu to be free floating, have animations...anything.
sethalos 2 months ago
hey guyzz wanna make windows 7 look like windows 8????
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s16mathers 9 months ago
How did you start krunner with the screen edge?
gadgetmanubuntu 10 months ago
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historyiseverything 11 months ago
dont know wat to install.. Ubuntu or Kubuntu
Musketeerable 11 months ago
@Musketeerable if you don't know just try out both without installing and then decide
Nyocurio 11 months ago
@alanthomo84 I think this song comes out in the drunken master the older one with jackie chan...
cruerick 1 year ago
@alanthomo84 It's in the video description, Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene (Part II).
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
@alanthomo84 Jean Michel Jarre actually. :)
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
Wonder what the driver support for this system is, look's pretty nice.
icedrinker8 1 year ago
@icedrinker8 linux supports most hardware, even proprietary stuff, theres so little hardware out there that linux still dosen't support
markolo25 1 year ago
@icedrinker8 hahahha
nakedvolleyball 1 year ago
hate the music!!!!!
niijuroku 1 year ago
@niijuroku Mute it then.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago 3
@GIMPMan1972 How about people makinng videos get used to the idea that every video doesn't need some queerboy music? I end up muting all of youtube..twat.
nakedvolleyball 1 year ago
@nakedvolleyball I don't care about your music tastes and cannot please everyone. Like it or not, don't be a dick about it.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
@niijuroku 1000% agree.
nakedvolleyball 1 year ago
@ScorpioRising07 Totally... If You Just Disable The Compositioning Effects And Use A Theme That's Not So Snazzy... It Would Work Better On Any Slow Computer... KDE Is Really Scarce On Resources...
Cheers Mate!
ranasingharasc 1 year ago
what is the name of the song
hunk0105 1 year ago
@hunk0105 It's in the info drop down box. Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene (Part II)
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
what is the song
hunk0105 1 year ago
@hunk0105 Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene (Part II)
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
Wow, if I ever get linux on a desktop PC, I'll have to try out KDE. (Only using linux on my little netbook at the moment)
BeeFive13 1 year ago
KDE is too slow, I prefer Gnome instead...
grics85 1 year ago
@grics85 KDE isn't slow but you do need a decent PC for it, KDE uses more resources then Gnome. I personally perfer Openbox it's more of the Linux way in my opinion.
Askar450 1 year ago
may i ask, what tool did you use to record this? Nice vid btw im using kde 4 and im loving it!
p0ggles 1 year ago
@p0ggles Qt-recordmydesktop, kdenlive for the editing.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
@GIMPMan1972 thanks, How many fps to do have this on?
p0ggles 1 year ago
@p0ggles 25fps
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
Jean Michel Jarre 4ever.
Loadingosx 1 year ago
So what cool games are out at the moment for linux?
KoolKluxKlan666 1 year ago
@KoolKluxKlan666 KDEGames. :p
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
can i have the wallpapers in minutes 3:51 pls?
the0reter 1 year ago
Gnome 2.x is dead and hasn't seen any noticeable changes for at least 6 months. Canonical should start supporting KDE more, since the Shell might take another year being really usefull and as far as i can tell.
cr561979 1 year ago 10
@cr561979
Gnome 3.0 is coming out soon.
TrolloftheTube 1 year ago
@cr561979
GNOME Is Too Damn Amateur User Oriented. I Don't See Why It's Been Used For Ubuntu. Honestly, I Agree With YOu, Even Thorvalds Would
ranasingharasc 1 year ago
Hey, I was wondering how to uninstall this, or how to keep it, but still be able to play a game called ROBLOX, wich doesnt support %1.
mkid33 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
kde = fragile, bloated, cluttered, too configurable, too many apps, "K" naming scheme, wannabe windows.
lxde = lean, fast, simple, everything you need and nothing you don't.
Goo9leRWifiCriminals 1 year ago
@Goo9leRWifiCriminals Sorry but LXDE is going nowhere. It's good for very low end machines but worthless for today's specs. Just like XFCE doesn't have any drag and drop and looks like something from the 90s.
XFCE is good for low end machines, my Wife uses it on her old IBM Thinkpad but that's not where all the desktop users are. KDE4 looks modern like Windows 7, where all the desktop action is.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
i love kde, but i dont have time to learn it like a master. :D
NamelessNLS 1 year ago
Can this work together with compiz or beryl?
RAZcracK 1 year ago
Gnome = Windows XP
KDE > Windows 7
TheCapeItsMe 1 year ago 2
@TheCapeItsMe No No No No No buddy you totally wrong windows 7=kde microsoft stole most of the kde features you should read about it but talking about xp i think that microsoft totaly 4got that they have something windows xp you should 4get that too Cheers :)
strike4may 1 year ago
KDE looks really awesome and fast. Now Gnome looks like crap for me.
TheCapeItsMe 1 year ago
Running on Kubuntu 9.10 with KDE 4.4 and it looks gooooood... Can't wait for the final 10.04 version (april 29th 2010)...
be1nformed 1 year ago
The kde4 project is visionary and take risks , meanwhile the gnome project is statical and so bored.....
I like kde4 because its able to be customized, looks good, has tons of tools and apps and now is 99,99% usable
alsamuef 1 year ago
I enjoy seeing how well KDE is doing, but this music..... ouch.
niacinsoupbowl 1 year ago
I don't like this menu bar!! I think that something is missing!
arthurafarias 1 year ago
i duelbooted my windows with this and it's worth it, it's fluid.
l3m0np13 1 year ago
can anyone help me?, i upgraded to kde 4.4 on kubuntu 9.10 and since then i cannot shutdown or reboot the computer from the menu, i have to do it from konsole, i already search the web and still no answer, thanks in advance
thething75191 1 year ago
KDE es muy potente graficamente. Personalmente uso Gnome (Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala). Alguna vez tengo que probarlo. Linda demostracion GIMPman1972. Saludos¡¡¡
Hinokiblade 1 year ago
very good it has some feature windows should of donw with snap and stuff, i think will will run 7 and this
utubeb14 1 year ago
I wish konqueror was as good as google chromium then i'd be a pure kde user, other than that kde4 is brilliant in many ways.
perfect video by the way
sonay1986 1 year ago
ya i don't like konqueror either. I use an intel-compiled-optimized firefox + a persistent DNS cache. it is the fastest linux web-browsing i've ever seen!
KDE 4.4 is very feature rich, i tried it out but i hate how every app starts with a K, and i couldn't stick with it. if i wanted to use windows7 - i would use windows7...
i use Xfce and gnome - i can make them "lite", and low on resources, even with all of the linux bells and whistles. i found KDE was a bit too much, and less customizable
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
so you did optimize & compile your own firefox, right? if so, wow! I am not that good, I can compile but I have no knowledge to optimize. anyway, I can live with chromium, it 's pretty fast, too.
sonay1986 1 year ago
if you can setup the Intel C++ compiler, there are guides on the net, and patches provided by LinuxDNA - they are the guys who ported the linux kernel & software from GCC to ICC.
it isn't that difficult, if you can compile things yourself and can add ICC to your path. you can get a non-commercial license for intel's ICC.
i do know how to optimize but i am better with GCC, i required help to use ICC, but it works great!
i'll post some links (i just gotta look around again..)
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
my kernel is next for ICC, i use Zen-kernel with Fedora 12.
right now i barely break 120meg of RAM + use very low CPU when idle - like 3-6% CPU with BFS scheduler too.
i use compiz + gnome + dockbarX. really good optimization!
once Linuxdna provide 32bit patches for v2.6.32, i will Patch Zen to use ICC and get an even faster kernel & modules. my laptop for being old, is surprisingly already a speed demon, i have a really wicked desktop - i used to use OSX more, now i use fedora mostly.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
That's cool, I'll look up to it. But I guess I won't be into compiling my own kernel, since it takes huge time. I don't want to spend 1 - 1.5 hours in front of the computer just to get a 1 second advantage on boot. Btw, once for fun, I installed ubuntu minimum and my desktop spent 80 MB of ram when idle, maybe you want to try that too. using arch linux with kde4 now, I am pretty happy with that.
sonay1986 1 year ago
@sonay1986 i get way more than a one-second boot speed increase, and overall performance is much better, i can get into much deeper setting with total granular control. my machine performs much much better. i don't use ubuntu only fedora and gentoo, arch is really good to though..
and im not talking about minimum install, im talking fully-blown flashy as hell and a speed pig with optimal performance. which i need for multimedia/proaudio
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine by minimum install i meant i installed all the stuff from the core by myself, that way, I didn't have most of the binaries that comes with ubuntu standart. so all the fancy stuff + a very powerful desktop was possible with 80 MB rams. you might be pretty right about compiling your own kernel, since I have no experience. But all i heard about compiling your own kernel was about boot time and it takes only 2-3 seconds(tops) to load the pre-compiled kernel on boot.
sonay1986 1 year ago
@sonay1986 ppl who think the main beneift of a custom kernel is boot time, are dumb. it is for performance/optimization.
my gentoo box uses 90meg but my fedora requires more but actually is better for what i use it for. ubuntu has never cut it for me, not even close. but i have no diea why ubuntu seems to be shittier, it just does.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine I top that - 17,6Mb on a 32bit System with Fluxbox, conky, proftpd, sshd, nfsd, splash, apache on Gentoo.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor ya, but the question is what do you do with that machine???
sounds like a minimal desktop or server.
i could easily build a system like yours, but i would not be able to use everything that i need. graphics/animation, pro-audio(+gear), development.
while i use gnome, my gnome is custom and speedy.
i also have fluxbox running, compiled and optimized with ICC, fast!
better than the GCC one...
my system may require more, but im betting it is setup to do alot more as well :)
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine Productive desktop, with some server abilities. It's fully functional, I can start and use every program, that I'd like to install. I use if for CAS, some programming, LaTeX, and hobbyist midi / audio, occasional games.The only difference is the much lower background memory usage. No Gnome/KDE - lots hundreds of Mb more for applications. But the true reason I like fluxbox is its aesthetics, I like minimalism.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor i don't think you have hundreds more MB of ram for applications, more like 50-60mg, which isn't alot more, especially when you we commonly are running 2-4gig of ram, right?
i like fluxbox, but i mostly use a GL-desktop. and nautilus is a must for me.
i do virtualization, run maya with luxrender and work with wineASIO(VSTs).
i use midi-loopback, jack and wineserver at boot with commands like schedtool, this takes extra memory...performance! :)
my gnome is minimal and lite.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
I'm not a KDE fan, and I don't know if it's the tripped out music that is influencing me, but KDE as actually looking quite cool these days. Might have to install KDE on a second computer. Nice video by the way.
phatcartoon 1 year ago
cool video
i love KDE 4.4 it has made be switch back to KDE from Gnome
OSGUIShow 1 year ago
Watching this while I download KE 4.4 (on, indeed, openSUSE 11.2) is pretty exciting. Good choice of music, btw.
SolarGranulation 1 year ago
Freaking Amazing! Linux has needed this.. A lot of people won't use Linux because its ugly, and clunky feeling, well KDE has sure got it right this time
historyiseverything 1 year ago 4
no, i think people don't use linux because they aren't into CLI, which is a big part of linux. and because things can be tricky to setup sometimes - drivers, hardware,custom kernels, compiling software.
i think it has very little to do with the look.
and for all those reasons i love linux!
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
Yes very true, a lot of people i've found, even in my IT program to be afraid of Linux for that.
I like the command line options, however, the Graphical user interface is usually what pushes me away, as well as my friends..
There are so many complete distros that you hardly ever need to setup drivers, or compile software.. In fact I've used the simple Ubuntu based distros and never had to compile software for two years, they are already pre compiled and available to install in a graphical way.
historyiseverything 1 year ago
buy a tablet, usb wifi or audio = setting up drivers, a fact!
linux sucks under general stock-type conditions.
the user must set up a really optimized OS & software. the real power is in the optimization and scale of the OS & software.
just like a "stock kernel" has a bunch of modules you do not use or need. wasting precious RAM & CPU. the result is you end up with a system that really isn't very good.
what's the point of using it, if it lacks the power, and you lack the power tools?
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
the GUI is completely superficial, and linux allows complete manipulation VERY EASILY. so i don't get you or your IT friends logic. there are what, like 30 different window managers + numerous desktops? most of which are easy to install, customize & use. i imagine you don't do very much with linux, if you never in 2yrs, have setup/compiled anything yourself. i also imagine you system is much slower than someone's who is on lesser hardware, but more optimized.
(read both replies)
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
myself. i wouldn't bother with linux, if i was just gonna use
it out-of-the-box as a desktop. OSX and Win7 are far better and are better suited, supported and compatible both in software and hardware...
other than for server purposes, where linux/unix really shine and are best...
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
Dude no, I mean its easy if you don't wanna do anything and just use the desktop distros, personally i've done a bunch of shit with it, but lately i've just used Windows 7 because i'm too much of a gamer.
and yes I agree, its much better as a command line server, great for specific use.
historyiseverything 1 year ago
@historyiseverything it much better for not just CLi server, but server in genrel. i would never USE M$ server, it just isn't good enough in comparison.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@historyiseverything Did your heard about Steam and the Source engine are coming to Linux?
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor Wow, I didn't hear about that, that sounds great. Only problem is all the games that I even bother playing are all Windows only. Guess i'll have to wait for them to port to Mac first, then possibly they'll port to Linux... seems a way off, just gotta be patient eh?
historyiseverything 1 year ago
Part 1
Well, depends on the games you use to play. If you change your gaming habit a bit, you'd be able to ditch Windows, like I did. I'm not much into that though, my last game I bought is many years old now. These days I play mostly Nexiuz and Tremulous, more complex games won't run on my laptop with Intel shitgraphics. I used to play SimCity4, BF1942 and BF2 on wine, but punkbuster doesn't work there.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor Lol i'm not against linux or anything, I'm a network / systems admin, I use it all the time,but just not for gaming. And honestly, I used to play linux games all the time, because I used to be all Linux, but I built a new computer, realized how much better some of the new games were, and can't switch back, and honestly I don't think Windows is something I need to ditch, 7 works amazing, which is why I haven't switched back to Linux since my Linux to Windows switch a year ago.
historyiseverything 1 year ago
Part 2
There are quite a few commercial and good looking games that run natively on Linux these days, such as Quake Wars, Doom3, UT2003/2004, Cold War, EVE Online, MoHAA, Quake4, Lugaru, Neverwinter Nights, etc.
Primal Carnage and Afterfall Universe will be released this year, UT3 is about to be ported, and the upcoming Rage too, Overgrowth, Amnesia - The Dark Descent are announced to be cross platform.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor The only games I play now since I ditched sauerbraten and wolfenstein et, are napoleon total war, and modern warfare 2.. it isn't a thing about money as to why I use to use linux, I have access to as many copies of windows I need.. but I have to say Linux is great for my purposes at the moment, servers mainly.
historyiseverything 1 year ago
@historyiseverything Hehe, sounded like you'd only be waiting for some particular games. At least in regards to Modern Warfare 2 I can tell you that I know someone who plays that occasionally with Wine. Even found some video here watch?v=KD3-u90BC78
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
Part 3
I think I missed some. Ahh and don't forget all these Source games. Aaand you may want to google for the Unigine Engine, it looks very promising and it's cross platform. And don't forget good old wine, it has come a long way the last years. Many games now run perfectly.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@historyiseverything Part 4
I can't tell you much about drivers, I only own a laptop with Intel GMA965, and some old GeForce 5k-8k cards, that run nicely with Nvidia's driver. I didn't bother to test suspend in years. Phoronix does some benchmarks every then and now and it turns out, that the nvidia linux driver has a much better performance than its Mac counterpart.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor Oh ok, I can tell you from my experience the drivers are terrible... at least they were 6 months ago for both of my computers. However, everything you are telling me is what I already know, I am a Linux geek as well you see. Although I must agree Wine has come a long way, but is still limited to what it can do. Time will tell, and if companies start porting over and supporting Linux, then things will get a lot better. Until then it just isn't reasonable for people unlike us
historyiseverything 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor Not to mention playing games on horrid drivers kinda makes me cringe... who has the best current drivers for linux? I know ATI has stopped supporting not very old cards, and I had to use the open source drivers, causing my system to be semi-unusable, and the open source games would fail. Has nvidia fixed their sleep bug yet? Just curious as I havent been right into linux loop for a while.
historyiseverything 1 year ago
nobody makes custom kernels these days, if they are not nerdy, then it's no problem. for distributions like ubuntu, almost every program is compiled and many little GUI applications are written for the CLI needs and drivers mostly don't need to be compiled as they're packaged and shipped in os. I think you're magnifying a very small group
sonay1986 1 year ago
@sonay1986 i think more ppl use custom kernels than you think, i get atleast 20 emails a week from people asking for help. who need a better kernel than any stock kernel in a distro provides. it becomes obvious when you are doing things like proaudio or multimedia. the performance differences can be quite staggering.
but for joe-blow who doesn't use it for more than common task, you r probably correct. :)
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
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kde7rs 11 months ago
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historyiseverything 11 months ago
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@kde7rs
is that a serious comment? I am just a IT guy who uses all operating systems, and supports all operating systems, displaying my opinion does not mean I have been paid by Microsoft. Besides I was a Linux activist for over 2 years, so whatever my comment was about KDE 4.4, it could not have been completely negative. I am sure I was saying I was unimpressed by bugs, but that it was a huge leap forward over 4.0?
historyiseverything 11 months ago
@kde7rs Perhaps you shouldn't judge my comments based upon an older version of KDE, KDE 4.6 is very nice BTW. Besides i'm a Linux enthusiast, and I am allowed to express myself. Go away you troll.
historyiseverything 11 months ago
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kde7rs 11 months ago
@kde7rs I do not understand what you are saying, I am an everyday Linux user... Please speak english?
historyiseverything 11 months ago
@historyiseverything govoriću jezikom kojim ja hoću.
Linux is best open source operating system. KDE environment good for me.
kde7rs 11 months ago
That theme is the default version?
I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 with Compiz and Emerald but this KDE 4.4 kick ass with all out of the box ...
I thinkin' pass to kde ... I don't know ...
Zeeleck 1 year ago
i like the music
darkraid0 1 year ago
Dude, where can I get them space images? The directory name is Dolphin.
alexg2k2 1 year ago
@alexg2k2
Look in the comments below. People have already asked and I've given the answer.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
mmmmnahh i still don't like it
funkydeu 1 year ago
With every new release of KDE, I give it a try for a week and end up using gnome. I'm gonna use KDE 4.4 on my arch linux now. Hopefully, it's as solid as gnome this time.
mohimohi1983 1 year ago
i cant wait til this is in the mandriva repos
xkeltoix 1 year ago
For some reason i think Kde works with Suse better ... my self i tried kubuntu its great but Opensuse feels better may i say !
NawafLol 1 year ago
@NawafLol you are 100% correct.
Kubuntu is one of the sloppiest implementations of KDE 4 that ive used it caused me to stop using it and opt for Mandriva. Both that and OpenSuse are really the best distros for KDE
xkeltoix 1 year ago
can I modify parameters with this test release?
joshua25fm 1 year ago
Yes of course but it has been released final now.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
Hello, how can i install this on kubuntu 9.10 ? thanks
xmine08 1 year ago
I don't use Kubuntu but there is some KDE4.4 beta PPA repo somewhere for the next release. Just Google for it or try the Ubuntu forums, IRC.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
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You have to add the Kubuntu Backports Repository with the following easy commands:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
If KDE isn't installed yet, install it with: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
That's all.
Linspire06 1 year ago
Heu... J'ai rien vu passer de nouveau, très franchement, sauf quelques gadgets qui compliquent inutilement l'interface du système d'exploitation en plus de le rendre instable (s'agit d'avoir la 4.3 pour le savoir d'expérience).
Bref, heureusement que la musique de Jean-Michel Jarre était là pour ajouter du punch et sauver la présentation.
clope2000 1 year ago
Wow, really nice improvements! Usibillity should be much greater now, especially in using widgets! <3 KDE in combination with SUSE ;-)
AEQUITAS381988 1 year ago
is it stable ?
jadooindia 1 year ago
@jadooindia Yes
BiosElement 1 year ago
thanks
jadooindia 1 year ago
yep
OSGUIShow 1 year ago
Amazing features! Good Job KDE people!
POMPEIVSMAGNVS 1 year ago 15
KDE SC 4.4 has been officially released. :)
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
is this whole kde thing only about options and configuration dialogs? At least that's the impression I get after watching that video. Sorry, I stay with gnome ...
nfilus 1 year ago
@nfilus
It's just a preview of the features in KDE SC 4.4, not the whole of KDE4 desktop.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
@GIMPMan1972
KDE has good people and they produce good apps too - but the massive options were the reason I switched back to gnome when 4.x appeared. From time to time I'm having a look on the other side, .. the grass is greener, more candy, on the other side and I'm glad having k3b and digikam. Would like to see either some kde features on gnome or gnome-like defaults and options on kde, but that's all.
nfilus 1 year ago
@nfilus
Well you can make it look even more minimal if you want. Look at the second video and see the file manager(Dolphin). KDE has always been about letting the user configure it highly, where gnome just likes to remove those options.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
2:20 - Just like Windows 7 :d
paldepind 1 year ago
Yeah. The kwin devs copied it because it's a good feature.
GIMPMan1972 1 year ago
Just two days waiting, I hope allot of instability bugs are fixed in KDE 4.4. More features doesn't concern me, I want the stability I had with GNOME. GNOME 3.0 is a dead concept, so come on KDE, FIX IT!
Mafkeesdejong 2 years ago
thats great
Thescarce 2 years ago
finally, the kde4 framework, it's paying off!
Hope to switch back soon
ytdlgandalf 2 years ago
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KDE is crap. Windows are the OS masters......simple.
And yes I have sampled different ones.
lrb662003 2 years ago
Simply one of the BEST kde demos I've seen. Congratulations. 5 Stars.
ubunterias 2 years ago 4
Thanks for the comment. :)
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
Great video man. KDE 4.4 put a smile on my face and warmed my heart. It's insane how far the Open Source community has gone.
FearedBliss 2 years ago 4
gnome or kde .. or xfce or flubox .. i just love LINUX!!!! .. death to micro$oft ... lol
chubble101 2 years ago 2
i don't choose between GNOME or KDE. im happy i CAN choose between them!! i dont have that choice on a windows machine!!!
nieknooijens 2 years ago 2
Why all this trolling about which is better of Gnome and KDE? Myself I am a KDE user, but I am happy they have a very strong competitor in Gnome to keep the project at their toes. Freedom and choice is what FOSS is all about! I wish both projects best of luck and an innovative future that hopefully will beat the socks out of commercial contenders one day! :)
eothred 2 years ago 11
Keruaran you are very wrong.. Gnome is much easier to customize than KDE although I don't see why that matters. I don't know how you can say it doesn't have graphical tools considering the entire "Appearance" dialog.
dunesquall 2 years ago
Where did you get that set of space wallpapers? They look great!
mutefile 2 years ago
Try googling interfacelift and Smashing Magazine.
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
its like win 7 aero snap ..still KDE is the best
core2darkslayer 2 years ago
I really like the search box desktop. it looks really handy.
rboeger 2 years ago
woww!!! thats great, but i dont know why, but i like gnome more than kde, i will wait for gnome 3 ;)
mgedier 2 years ago
Thanks for the comments everyone.
This is video is actually pre-beta and beta2+ has nice new smooth animations for when you add new widgets. Also 'a lot' of bugs have been fixed since.
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
KDE 4.4 is the BEST!
rodrigod1997 2 years ago 2
Jean Michel Jarre :O
Nice song! Nice enviroment
8C3PO8 2 years ago
Wish I could use 4.4 Beta 2... Used it for a long while, but I found several bugs, including one that buggered up plasma ('cause I switched from -desktop to -netbook and all sorts of stuff started going wrong).
But yeah, I've reported a lot of bugs, and some of them got fixed only moments after I reported them, so I'm looking forward to when it's officially stable. Kubuntu Lucid will be awesome.
Thesupermadman 2 years ago
nice music
rootkid123 2 years ago
this is great innovative stuff that mostly no one else has done before. super stuff! I'm getting this soon.
RandomNinjaOfEvil 2 years ago
LOL. Some guy keeps using multiple accounts just to get his worthless point across about Xorg.
If you post again, I don't want to know and it has no place here, so go away.
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
Don't feed the Windows trolls please and throw random figures around. :)
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
True, windows has 92% market share but that doesnt mean it cant be improved upon in linux
madiathv 2 years ago
If they integrate the new windows 7 taskbar functions, this gui is really the best out there at the moment.
Cenot4ph 2 years ago
nice
Subsanek 2 years ago 2
i love when ppl say windows 7 is cool
7=vista+kde4+macOS, doesnt have nothing new, KDE team is awsome kde4 started too buggy but with 4.3 is very nice, i use it with archlinux and it runs smoth as silk, and only takes like 300 MB of ram
btw i use it in 1920x1200 with a geforce 9600 GS
Its not just pretty it has a lot of apps to make your life easier, i used to use LXDE or Openbox but KDE is just to good and i have to use some ram openbox only takes 100 MB i have 4 GB
kakita123 2 years ago
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@kakita123 Windows 7 is beyond cool. It is fucking godlike.
7=Vista and what needed to be done. OH btw I installed KDE 4 on windows. Runs fine. Btw kde4 copied vistas UI design. So plz stfu.
JamesManes 2 years ago
@JamesManes as a computer engenieer i say suck my balls
keep living in ignorance i dont really care im happy with Archlinux+kde4 and my SO to play PES 2010 (windows 7)
as soon as i got time and put pes on linux i wont use seven at all
btw kde on windows lol, there are ppl that just dont think at all, i guess downloading a chakra live cd gives u too much work
kakita123 2 years ago 2
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@kakita123
X11 is the achilles heal of Linux as a desktop OS. X11 does NOTHING better than the Windows GUI.
ismouton 2 years ago
@ismouton
im guessing u dont use linux in a long time
i play pes 2010 via wine better than i do in vista
its true that X used to suck but now its fine and things evolve on linux much faster but if u are happy with windows use it at will, if u want to not know your SO and dont want to configure it windows is fine i still think Mac OSX is better than windows for the normal user but i dont care
Im happy with linux thats what i care
kakita123 2 years ago 3
You are retard, it's just the opposite, it was existing far before Windows Vista and 7 as mockup and was implemented just before Vista was out!
elwario91 2 years ago
other way round.
RandomNinjaOfEvil 2 years ago
Window grouping is AWESOME!
G00glieS 2 years ago
Looks very nice.
zhang456 2 years ago 2
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enby2005 2 years ago
hey buddy, thanks for the video review! I was just wondering what kind of video card do you have? I'm thinking of getting a lappy with intel 4500mhd but not sure if kde with effects on will run smoothly even on higher resolutions (1920x1200)...
enby2005 2 years ago
I have a NVIDIA 9600GT 512mb. I really have no experience with on-board graphics at that resolution.
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
Ah nice improvement on the background choosing dialogue. The KDE team are doing such impressive work its great. I think its time for me to get meself into Arch or Chakra and get into the latest kdemod-testing repos. :D
Keruaran 2 years ago 3
@Keruaran
Dude a big advice, dont start with chackra u have to feel the pain of instaling archlinux otherwise when somthing breaks u will not know what to do, if u know arch u know linux, it will be very hard to install it but use a guide and try to understand what u are doing and u will be an expert on linux
kakita123 2 years ago
I used to hate KDE. Version 4 was so buggy and slow but when KDE 4.3 came out... I loved it and I now use KDE.
ConsindoGuy 2 years ago 10
I can not wait to update my ( kubuntu 9.10) with kde 4.3.4 to kde 4.4 ***** kde ROCKS *****
GNU/LINUX ftw !!!
vampspell 2 years ago 2
It appears lot of polishing has been done to KDE, which is great.
Nonetheless I would love to see something new. Sure, adding Windows Aero features or the Mac-like widget selector is good, but the strongest part of this video for me is the WINDOWS GROUPING! (I just hope one will combine two windows in much smarter way than context menus - maybe using the middle mouse button as 2nd video suggests.)
I believe Plasma is great framework for delivering new GUI concepts, I cannot wait to see some!
honkybong 2 years ago 5
this is freaking awesome... I CANNOT WAIT !!
goblend 2 years ago 3
Part 2 is showing now in my videos. I cannot post a direct link to it, since URL's are not allowed.
It shows the Search and Launch container which is more suited to Netbooks.
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
@GIMPMan1972
You could post in in an annotation or in the description, or you could make this video a response to part ii. That's what a lot of people do on YouTube.
leodamascus 2 years ago
Thanks for that!
I've added a annotation note with a link on each video.
GIMPMan1972 2 years ago
No problem. Linux has helped me a lot, so any way I can give back, I will.
leodamascus 2 years ago
KDE SC 4.4 will come to be great!
If this is the Part 1, it just shows Plasma Desktop. And if there is coming Part 2, does it show what is done for Plasma Netbook as well?
I am just upgrading Mandriva 2010 to Cooker version to get development version of this KDE SC 4.4 Beta1! Just awesome work! And great music as well!
You KDE guys and girls are just awesome!
TheFri13 2 years ago
Wow. KDE looks great for dicking around on! I mean, that's what computer users really need. We need dicking around with our desktop to look AWESOME! Thanks KDE!
thebillywayne 2 years ago