Sola Scriptura?

[shakespearesreal]

Using American Protestant/Baptist claims about what "Sola Scriptura" means is sort of like using a straw man argument. Examine what real Lutherans say about Luther's principle, and you'll find that it's not supposed to be the jumping-off point for sky-pilots and holy rollers. In fact, Luther, Melenchthon and the others quoted the Fathers left and right.

[medusa210562]

the belief on non sola scriptura is synonimus with persectution. Because even if I believed that sola scriptura is wrong I would still not be a Catholic. I would rather be with the people that were burned at the stake. not the people that were burning. I was a Catholic, with catholic doctrines before reading the bible, but I loved Jesus. The Catholic church is happy to have people who blindly follow it. The fact remains the scripture instructs not man. The scripture in in agreement with God.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 "would rather be with the people that were burned at the stake. not the people that were burning."....Intresting that Prots are the ones that started the presecution by biuring Catholics...want proof...here you go bud...cont..

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 ...cont.."Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire(burn at the stake), the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise."~ Martin Luther, Riffel, Kirchengeschichte...looks like your on the side of the burners my friend...I challenge you to find anything like this from a Pope.

[joshuaringor]

i just have 4 letter words for catholics fuck!

[imromancatholic]

"we need to read the Bible for ourselves". "It is dangerous to let a church tell us what it means.". Well then I guess before the Bible was readily available and for those who can't read, all these are damned to hell.

[tlofty82]

I don't like the hate Catholicts seem to spread to protestants. It seems they are just as hateful as the protestants can be towards you guys. That is the major reason why I have nothing to do with Catohlicism is because of the hate they have treated me with but the hate they seem to bash, mock, and judge protestants as if they were worse than an Atheist. The most judgment I recieved is from the Catholic Church.

[cburton103]

@tlofty82 I'm very sorry for any mistreatment any Catholic has given you. That is very unfortunate, and they should be ashamed of their actions.

However, even if all Christians treated us poorly, our love for Christ should still draw us ever closer to Him and His Church, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. May God bless you and bring you ever closer to Him.

[trottheblackdog]

So I'm fuzzy on the definition of Sola Scriptura. Does it mean 1) that the Bible is the final authority of Christian belief and doctrine and all manifestations of God should agree with it, or 2) that we now have the Bible and God doesn't speak to anyone anymore?

[Reazzurro90]

@trottheblackdog

Sola Scriptura was a belief that arose due to Martin Luther's perception that a lot of corrupt practices in the Catholic Church were justified by Apostolic Tradition, oral sayings handed down by the apostles. What Luther actually proposed is that the Bible is the ultimate and final authority, and that all traditions that don't have any kind of scriptural support are invalid, in order to get as close as possible to original intent. It doesn't mean that God doesn't speak anymore.

[trottheblackdog]

@Reazzurro90 OK well if it's that then I'm a Sola Scriptura guy! Thanks for the clarification!

[Reazzurro90]

@trottheblackdog

no problem

[medusa210562]

@trottheblackdog Satan can speak to us. The bible is a safagard. so we God is in agreement with the bible Satan is not

[cathomania]

@700bees, Mary was a perpetual Virgin, One of the First 7 general councils, generally accepted by most Christians, recognize Mary as an Ever virgin. The First Christians called her the New Eve because she is "Full of Grace." The writers of the NT kept used the word 'brother' parallel to the way Jews used it, which meant many things not just sibling. Mary is "Full of Grace." Why would I believe u more than the First Christians or an Infallible general council?

[trottheblackdog]

@cathomania Then where did Jesus' younger brothers come from?

[medusa210562]

@cathomania It is not a sin not to be a Virgin. Infact the opposite could be argued in some cases.

[cathomania]

Abraham is called " Father."

[trottheblackdog]

@cathomania He's called the Father of our faith, not just Father.

[Uberlaser]

@trottheblackdog

I call my father 'Dad' - Calling him 'Father' would probably make him laugh, as it's a bit too formal.

[cathomania]

A nail is profitable for carpentry just as the Bible is profitable for a Christian. Profitable and sufficient is not the same thing. The Bible is profitable not sufficient. The Bible, The Catholic Church, and Apostolic Tradition is sufficient!

[cathomania]

700bees, sorry my intention was not to question your intentions, sorry for the way I expressed my views.

[cathomania]

700bees; the word in Greek says it is profitable not sufficient or complete. Of course Protestants mistranslated the Bible in purpose

[Germtalia]

i thought the blond was supposed to be a woman

[700bees]

@CatholicOrthodox

Only profitable? That's why it says "..that the man of God might be [COMPLETE, PERFECT], THOROUGHLY equipped for EVERY good work. "

"Nowhere hints that Scripture is sufficient?" I guess if you're blind.

Note that the Bereans examined everything Paul SAID with the SCRIPTURES to see if they were true and were called NOBLE for it.

Where's your leg to stand on? Of course oral tradition is important, but not to override anything in Scripture.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees No where does scripture alone state it is sufficent it doesn't becaues it combinds the use of the MAN OF GOD with the scripture. Let me ask you can a person who is not filled with the spirit be a man of GOD? Why doesn't that text say to all believers. As the scripture uses the MAN OF GOD with scripture the scripture alone is not said toi be sufficent now is it?

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 Can a true believer not be a man of God?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The Greek word for perfect there is "artios" and can be translated "perfect, complete, fitted, ready."

[All Scripture] -> [used for teaching] -> [thoroughly equipped, complete man of God]

[gtepp031387]

@700bees Yep "for the man of GOD" who has the spirit with him. If it is by the spirit and the scripture then it is not by scripture alone. Paul was filled with scripture while he hunted and killed the christians, it did no good. It was only the spirit that changed his heart, scripture alone did nothing for him.

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 Scripture alone is a dead letter which does not have the power to transform men's hearts. Without the Holy Spirit we are lost trying to discern the truth. Sola Scriptura is not by itself, there are 5 Solas. I agree with all the Solas on some level but I'm not defending the Solas, I'm defending the Scripture's sufficiency vs unscriptural dogmas.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees You said it yourself very well "Scripture alone is a dead letter" I don't think i need to go on. When you use the word sola after something then there can't be 5. The doctrine os sola scriptura is a unspiritual dogma.

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 "Sola" might be an inappropriate word, but I didn't name the doctrines. The Holy Spirit will never teach us anything that does not agree with Scripture. Look at the noble Bereans, they test Paul with Scripture. The Solas are Faith alone (for justification), grace alone (for salvation), Scripture alone (as authority for doctrine), Christ alone (it is only through Christ that men can be saved), glory to God alone (God is that author and perfecter of our faith, men do not need glory).

[gtepp031387]

@700bees To start with lets just stick to scripture. So by what authority did the Catholiuc church decide what was scripture when they put the bible together? Where the apostels not given the authority to both bind and loose, and to hold the keys of the kingdom? So how can the scripture be the only authority, when scripture clearly points to the apostles as having authority? Does not scripture also point to verbal authority as well when it says hold to the tradions whether by written word..

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 The authority to decide the canon of scripture came from God alone and was directed by the Holy Spirit and prayer. If you think that God wouldn't have kept his word from passing apart from your church then you know nothing of the power of God.

The authority to loose and bind will never contradict Scripture. No one is going to loose homosexuality as being lawful. No one is going to bind lawful meats or biblical marriage, and if they do they are antichrist.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees Sure Paul was sent by GOD and what was one of the first things he did? He went and saw the apostels who sent him out didn't they? Peter was given charge of holding the keys and having all authority to bind and loose. He bound a phisyical church, if you choose to reject this then you are rejecting Jesus, and i feel sad for you. So the scriptures just fell from the sky then all put together for you? "came from GOD" Would not the mormons say the same thing with there book?

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 "He bound a phisyical church, if you choose to reject this then you are rejecting Jesus, and i feel sad for you."

I have the witness of the Spirit within me, I don't need men to tell me that I am a part of the church of Jesus Christ.

"Would not the mormons say the same thing with there book? "

Yes they would. Read MATTHEW 24:11. I judge what they say by the Word of God. I am taught of the Holy Spirit.

Luther just restored what the pagan Roman church interrupted for centuries.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees The word of GOD and how can you prove you have the word of GOD and the mormons do not? If you had the spirit within you and you were listening to it you would'nt be protesting the apostesl now would you mormon. Luther was a sick individual that burned countless jews at the stake, believed he knew better then all the church fathers, wanted the book of James thrown out of the bible and burned, added words to the bible, ect.. read the jews and there lies by Martin Luther...

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 That's why I'm not Lutheran or Mormon. Because I believe the Scriptures. I even believe the Scriptures when they say that God rested on the seventh day and not the first day. I believe then when they say that Christ is our mediator and that Jesus had brothers. I believe it when it says that the spirit of lawlessness was already at work in Paul's time. I believe it when it says that we should love our enemies. I believe that the Jews are still God's chosen people and Jesus was one.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees sry should read Paul and Stephen and John all use the WORD father or my children. Paul even states he is our father

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 It is different for one to recognize his own spiritual parenthood to whom he has saved and for that soul to refer to this one as a father, which title only God deserves and is. Paul also says that each person has one father in the faith, therefore regardless of high office, no one else should be considered as such [1 Cor 4:15]. Doesn't a groom gain another father?

Notice how when Jesus talks about what a believer may give up he doesn't mention gaining fathers back. [Mark 10:29-30].

[gtepp031387]

@700bees “Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel”(1 Corinthians 4:15)So Paul is wrong here? what about John "I have no greater joy then to hear my children are walking in the truth”(3 John 1:4) what about Stephen “My brothers and fathers, listen. The glory of GOD appeared to our father Abraham.”(Acts 7:2) Are they all wrong to use and take this title? Or are you misinterpriting matthew 23:9

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 The line is drawn at whether or not they are YOUR father, or "father" in the broad sense of being a father or elder senior.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees The priest does not claim to by OUR litteral father, but in the sence of being an elder in the church, spiritually speaking through the gospel. Just as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 4:15

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 No one kneeled to Abraham as people do to popes and saints.Read acts. 10:26

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 I believe that Jesus is the head of the Church and that he nor his disciples ever mentioned a Pope. I believe that baptism means baptism and what it represents. I believe that Jesus said Matthew 23:1-3.

I believe that the restoration of all things is coming. I believe that I should call no man father. I believe in prophecy and sings. I believe that I am part of the catholic church. I believe these things because they are written in the Word of God and attested to by the Holy Spirit.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees Jesus is head of the church. The restoration of all things is the holy spirit. Paul and Stephen and John all use the father or my children. If you are a partiaul Christian then you are a partiaul Catholic. The bible is 100% GODs word, but is all of GODs word and knowlede in the bible no. Christ is our mediatore but thoes who believe in him are part of his mystical body. The term brothers in greek also means cousins. The devil is allways attacking, espeacially mother church.

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 "The term brothers in greek also means cousins."

adelphos = brother (every occurance)

anepsios = cousin (Col 4:10)

suggenes = relative - could mean cousin.

Mary is not a perpetual virgin. this is exactly the kind of extrabiblical doctrine that we use the Bible itself to either verify or refute.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees One of the definitions for Adelphos is this: having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman. - Copied that right from the dictonary go look it up.

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 If not 100% of God's word is in the Bible who do we believe the persecuting Catholic church or the persecuted?

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 intresting did you know Luther started the rebellion by burning down whole churches with people in them? ....sounds like persecution to me......Kneeling in respect and veneration is biblically appoved in to many passages to count....The people in acts bowed in worship and in awe of a power that was not the individualls but GODS therfore the bowing was not proper...repectful bowing again is biblically appoved in many many passages.

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 I am not with martin luther or with the pope. The pope and martin luther are people. I am against the vatican. An organization I would never trust. which has committed millions of crimes. I am a sinner like the pope and like martin luther. We are talking about churchs. In this case an organization that would like to practice dictatorship.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 GODs organization is a dictatorship..don't like it too bad!

LOL...Where do you think you got your bible from smart one???...The Catholic church put it together...and your going to try to lecture us on our own cannon???...Apostolic sucession was dun through the laying on of hands from three or maore apostles/bishops...can you trace your churches roots to Christ??...No then leave your man made church period...stop following man and start following the dictator GOD!

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 watch the videos apostolic succesion: part 1 of 4 and all 4 videos by shammahbn. It is a miracle the bible was preserved. If you believe that the persecution of the dark ages was warrented, to keep the people from reading it, you are not converted to Jesus. The bible was given to us by the dissaple and apotles. The catholic church hid it from people. if it was preserved. it was by God's grace. If not I would be flaggillating my self for I used to be a strong catholic

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 Lol...the Catholic church never, never hid the bible...It is the cannon of the church...You where never Catholic..you where always a Prot. You are so understudied this convo is pointless...The Bible was put together in 393 at the council of Hippo period....you are a Nestorian, Iconoclast, mixed with several other herisies. You are under to many anathemas to count all laid upone you by the united church at councils.

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 I was a protestant since I was every young for if the Pope was a servent why do we have to kiss his hands?

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 If the Pope was a servant why do you kiss his hand...uhmm mabey becaues the apostles order you to "greet each other with a holy kiss"...we greet all the bishops in the same way!!!

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 This kiss you are tolking about is equal reciprocal. you can never use the bible against me. I was a flaggilating catholic, the bible saved me. From thinking I can save myself by self created merits.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 You where never catholic and you already admitted it! Sry but just becaues you said your where Catholic doesn't make you one...did you hold to and follow the complete Catholic faith?...doesn't sound like it...you didn't even know who Polycarp was when we started this covo...come on man...

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 By the way your the one who thinks YOUR faith saves you, and somehow earns grace...not me bud...I believe faith my faith is given by grace.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 By the way you don't read the letters of any of the apostles, you read Luthers translation of them!!!..Which is hertical with mistranslated and missing content?...why did you remove 7 books from the apostolic scripture of the Septuagint the book the apsotles quoted from nearly 300 times while writting the new test???

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 Every Christian for the first 1000 years of the church screams from heaven "ANATHEMA TO YOU AND YOURS!"...You have broken from the faith, broken from the body of Christ, broken from the grace of GOD....and followed hertical fanatics like Luther and Calvin...keep you man made hertical faith to yourself thank you!

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 Not only they screamed anathema. They burned as at the stake. Didn't even one friend of Martin Luther died by the hands of the papacy.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 Give me one quote and source from the Pope that says to kill protestants?...I gave you Luther already?...You burned us smart one, you started this by buring down our churches with people in them, you are the terrorists! You slaughtered the indians saying they where red devils, you started the KKK, whose famous modo is the only way to save a Catholic is to kill em. In England it is still a law on the book(not inforced anmore)that being a Catholic is punishable by death

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 I don't remember the Pope running away from Luther I thought it was the other way around. You talk about us burnig the churchs slaughtering idian and kkk. I don't know which denominations you are talking about. I am tolking about the "Infallible papacy"

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 I am talking about all denominations...You are all Prots...which Catholic church are you talking about?..sillyness.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 "I don't remember the Pope running away from Luther I thought it was the other way around."

Popes don't order deaths of people they order excommunications. Luther first appealed to local authority and when they would not hear him he appealed to the Pope...and when the Pope pronounced him a heretic he tryed to appeal to a general council...eventually a general council would conviene(Trent) and deal with Protestantism by excommunicating them, which is worse then death.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 By the way If you want to lean about apostolic sucession you should study the writtings of the apostolic sucessores like Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Papias, Hermas...and then move to there sucessores and so on and so forth...then you can see what the body of Christ has allways believed and if a teaching suddenly springs up out of nowhere then you know it is hertical...I.E. the teaching of Protestantism.

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 I read Paul, John, Peter. Matthew. Polycarp Papias Hermas, were corrupted.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 Polycarp and Papias and hermas where corrupted???..sillyness. You are a heretic in a made up faith that has no tie to the church throughout all ages period. Tell me how did you get your bible?..How did you know the gosples where witten by who they say?...Tell me where hebrews gives an author?...tell me why you do not have 3 Corinthians in your bibles, and the other letters of Paul?...Why do you not have the gosple of James, and Thomas, and Peter in your bible?

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 The Bible was shaped and protected by the Holy Spirit.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 1) Polycarp was ordained, studied under, and succeeded John the apostle.

2) Hermas was one of the 70 diciples and was taught by Jesus face to face... some of the eastern churches have his letter in there cannon.

3) Clement?...is he also corrupted?...who the bible calls a coworker of the apostles whos name is written in the book of life? Who the bible tells you to help???...You are clearly understudied and you need to start studing and stop posting hetrodoxy.

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 polycarp was ordained and he transmitted thrueth. and dictatorial authority. Dictatorial authority came afterword as the church in Rome became corrupted. If there was any ordaining the catholic church only claime that ordaining for it self to inforce it's own corrupted authority.

[gtepp031387]

@medusa210562 Sry but doctrinal authority came with the church...jesus even told you if you have a dispute with your brother bring it to the church and there the matter will be decided with authority, if one will refuse to listen to this church treat him like a publican!

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 Tell me did the inquisitions for heritics exist?

[medusa210562]

@gtepp031387 The doctrine of apostolic succession itself tell me. "you can investigate the scripture for yourself Acts 17:11/ But whatever the vatican tells you supercedes it" So you might as well stop reading the bible an kiss the popes hands as many liders do. Please read Acts 10:26

[gtepp031387]

@700bees In Christ Jesus there is niether Jew nor Greek, but all our one in Christ. That was some fun quick answeres, i like that format.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees and ask yourself who in ther right mind would follw someone like this?

[medusa210562]

@700bees You lood at the Catholic church carefully and you know it cannot be the Phisycal church. Popes were sittiong in the colossiums, back them. but don't judge indivials, as I am an imperfect individul. The catholic church as an organigatin is evel to my judgement.

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 The keys to the kingdom were given part and parcel to the declaration of Jesus' Christhood. Peter was given that revelation by God that Jesus was Christ ... which is restated as him being given the keys to the kingdom. Nor was Peter given the task of passing on the keys to the kingdom or papacy or anything of that nature.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees Untill you can show me where your bible came from and by what authority it was put together, you'll be a mormon to me.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees It is very clear from Clement that you are wrong about your assesment of passing on the office and keys. Who should i trust, the ealiest of Church fathers whos name is in the book of life, or Martin luther some 1500 years later. hmmmmmmmmm.... Yea I think I'll stick with thoes who actually knew the apostles and where ordained and taught by them face to face thank you.

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 Who should I trust? The disciples and apostles who wrote the Scriptures or a paganized church that has throughout history killed saints and Jews alike in their bloody empirical conquest, idolizes men, and teaches the doctrines of men as the commands of God, and prays through another mediator besides Christ?

[gtepp031387]

@700bees You should follow the apostels, who put together the church, and the church that decided on the scripture. If your talking about the protestant church, then no don't follow the man made traditions they have made up, like sola this and that. These things were never heard of by the apostels nor by there sucessores who put the bible together.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees If you can't trust the people who decided on and put your bible together, then you can't trust the bible either. So who put your bible together, where did it come from, and by what authority did these people put it together mormon?

[700bees]

@gtepp031387 Bishops and deacons are appointed. The authority to do so is given by God and revelation from him. If one is baptized by the Holy Ghost and studies to show themself approved, and are sent by God, he will confirm their ministry with signs. Where does Paul get his apostleship? He was baptized by the Holy Spirit. He was a Pharisee fully knowledgable of Scripture. In converts, in signs and wonders. In stonings, imprisonments, lashings, poverty... No man sent him, he was sent by God.

[gtepp031387]

@700bees (scripture) or by verbal word? Where are the apostesl in this sola of yours? Did not Christ say that if we did not accept the ones he sent, the apostel, and believe in what they taught then niether did we accept nor believe in him? What if i could give you clear proof from the earliest of christian writters, long before the bible was put together, that the apostesl passed on there authority? Wouldn't you have to listen to there sucessores in order to believe in Jesus as Jesus says?

[gtepp031387]

@700bees should we not listen to Clement who Paul says is a co-worker whos name is in the book of life in Phillipians 4:3? If his name is written in the book of life is he not a true christian possesed truely of the spirit? Let us listen to what he says : "Our apostels knew though our LORD Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of the bishop. For this reason, therfore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards...

[gtepp031387]

@700bees added the futer provisions that, if they should die, other appoved men should succeed to their ministy.” Clement in his great knowledge of the apostolic teaching goes on to tell us how these bishops were appointed stateing “Through contryside and city [the apostels] preached, and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the spirit, to be bishops and deacons of futer believers...

[gtepp031387]

@700bees Nor was this a novelty, for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier” Clements epistel to the Corinthians - 80 A.D. Clement is telling us that the apostels did nothing negligently and did everything in the perfect foreknowledge of Christ appointing men who, if the apostels should die, would succeed them. Not only that but he clearly reffers to the bishop as not only a ministry but an office.

[Classical0note]

protestants is not educated the right way...

Si possent concurrere matricis ecclesie problematis solvendis. Pro adunationem

[blessedwithoutmeasur]

cute very cute

[blessedwithoutmeasur]

@blessedwithoutmeasur I just ment the little lego people we use to play with them when we were little

[latinmasslover]

"I'm a Bible believing Christian" and not Catholic. What an oxymoron.

[CatholicOrthodox]

raphaelaaron,

You have the faulty context in every respect. Jesus was speaking in Aramaic "you are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build My Church." Go read the Peshitta. Protestants have no Scriptural, linguistic, historical, exegetical, or hermeneutical leg to stand on.

[punkyjunior895]

@CatholicOrthodox You are right, the Araamic speakers of today translate the text to "Simpon Kepha" or in English Simon Petros, Petros means rock, Petros also means Peter in Aramic. they say its Simon rock, and even if they were to call him Peter, Peter is Petros in Aramaic, either way you slice it, its rock . They did this too as well in the movie the Passion of the Christ, where Jesus calls him Kepha.

[punkyjunior895]

The argument of petro-as,sayin that Jesus is the head- church is false. This can be concretely proven from Matthew 18:17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector" If Jesus were the Church, or the large stone they claim. Then how can we take our case to Jesus? he isn't around. He must refuse to listen to someone in the church "on earth" to become a heathen as the passage says.

[700bees]

@punkyjunior895 Where would you be without Christ? Where would any Christian be without Christ? What do you think the Spirit of Christ is? Who is to be formed in us? If Christ is not the foundation of your faith, if He is not the Rock of your Salvation, then what do you have?

[punkyjunior895]

@700bees Ephesians 2:19-20 "19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone" The real question is that, is your church built on the foundations of the apostles? or is it based on YOUR OPINION of scripture. Christ is the head of the foundation, but in heaven, leaving the apostles successors to guide us. 

[700bees]

@punkyjunior895 Yeah it is, mostly the apostles wrote the New Testament Scriptures....

The Church is not founded on opinions nor is my faith. But heretical teachings are everywhere that teach the traditions of MEN as the commands of GOD, just like the Pharisees. The apostles and prophets are elders to everyone. They are the foundation of the household of God because they were the first to be laid after Christ. This simple understanding isn't dogmatically spiritualized enough I supposed.

[CatholicOrthodox]

raphaelaaron,

You have the faulty context in every respect. Jesus was speaking in Aramaic "you are Kepha and on this Kepha I will build My Church." Go read the Peshitta. Protestants have no Scriptural, linguistic, historical, exegetical, or hermeneutical leg to stand on.

[raphaelaaron]

this is a catholic trying to teach how to examine the context and language, when catholic's idea of the pope rests on a faulty context of peter the rock. do your research folks, and don't trust these people.

[DelendaEstCarthago1]

@raphaelaaron @CatholicOrthodox Right on, CatholicOrthodox. And no Catholic ever claimed, raphaelaaron, that the full understanding of the papacy rests on Matthew 16.18. We do claim, with the support of most contemporary Protestant exegetes I might add, that Matthew 16.18 does establish the primacy of Peter and his office of binding and loosing in the New Kingdom, "petros" and "petra" notwithstanding. Try again.

[DelendaEstCarthago1]

Yes...this is awesome...I make similar videos, but this is really really good.

[BaronGrackle]

No comment on this video after three months? Well, I will. It's terrific; thanks for uploading!