Sniper simulation game WIP 2

[danvandeee]

i want this game!!!

[TheJuniorking99]

Can you please add bullet drop?

[RealationGames]

@TheJuniorking99

There's already new video about that, see my channel or:

watch?v=e4UXqsIjiO8

[sandman481000]

give options like what background desert, jungle etc. and like rain snow, night and day

and a course so players can compete agianst eachother i love that game marksman long range its a cheap easy game and me and my bros never get bored

[MacAngem]

You need to adjust the recoil. If you want a very realistic sniper simulator/game, try to add "Moa" and "Mil", and the wind influence. I want a sniper simulator, e don't have a rifle, but i have a computer. lol

[RealationGames]

@MacAngem

As you can see in the 0:00-0:13, "animations are not ready". Recoil is also just an animation.

There is a newer video with ballistics effects, including wind, gravity and coriolis, check that out and tell me what you think about it:

/watch?v=e4UXqsIjiO8

There is already mildot scope reticle(not scaled correctly) and 1/4 MOA(0:55) trimming angle in the scope.

ARMA is one great choice.

[killofthedayshow]

I'm very curious how you did the scope, did you use a Render to Texture, or a viewport? How did you get that effect?

[RealationGames]

@killofthedayshow

Indeed, it renders another camera(with smaller fov) to image and then just texture it to lens.

Makes another 512x512 to render, so is ultra heavy on performance. That's why not that many game use this technique.

[killofthedayshow]

@RealationGames What rendering system are you using, or did you setup DirectX yourself?

[killofthedayshow]

@RealationGames Did you set up directx yourself, or are you using a library like ogre3d, or something like that?

[killofthedayshow]

@RealationGames Did you set up DirectX yourself, or are you using a library like ogre3d, or something like that?

[Showman558]

DOWNLOAD LINK PLS OR TUORIAL



[MrDip02]

@Showman558 it's not even finnished yet

[creykeprod]

Are you able to use OBJ models? cause if you are i can get you alot of awesome military stuff :)

[RealationGames]

@creykeprod

Not .obj directly, but it's possible to coverse the file type if needed.

[creykeprod]

@RealationGames Do you have skype? any chat program thingy?

[RealationGames]

@creykeprod

Nope, I use Facebook(also account on Steam, but I never use it) nowadays only. Why's that?

[creykeprod]

@RealationGames maybe i could help you get some more objects, you know :)

[RealationGames]

@creykeprod

PM me on Youtube.

[kalasnavic]

What did you make it with, blender?

[tomanddakota]

@kalasnavic its a work is progress id like to see u do something better

[RealationGames]

@tomanddakota

That 'Blender' he was referring to is actually a quite decent game engine, I wouldn't take that comment as an insult, but rather just a sincere inquiry :)

[tomanddakota]

@RealationGames blender game still suck

[tomanddakota]

@RealationGames only thing i think blender is good for is modleing

[kalasnavic]

@tomanddakota i wasnt being mean -_- i just wanna know what he did it with

[tomanddakota]

@kalasnavic neither was i

[PIYG13]

um whats up with the minecraft grass sounds?! thumbs up if you noticed

[RealationGames]

@PIYG13

You don't have your annotations on? There's your answer in 0:17-0:26 :)

You are offically the 26th person to notify this.

[afitzkillzazona]

is there any way i can download this? :3?

[RealationGames]

@afitzkillzazona

Nope, not yet.

[MrDip02]

@RealationGames wait you are currently making this im so confused

[RealationGames]

@MrDip02

Sure, there is even 2 newer videos of this project on my channel. It's still being workied on, although I'm currently having a break because of school and stuff. I haven't worked on any game in few weeks.

[MrDip02]

@RealationGames oh are you adding wind,bullet drop,and stuff like that

[RealationGames]

@MrDip02

Those have been made already. See the "Sniper simulation WIP: Ballistics & Wind/weather meter" video on my channel.

[cesar97434]

Lol Minecraft walk Sound

[mongoferd]

Is it possible to download it?

[Heliman234]

Nice game man! Please make it Multiplayer!!!!

[RealationGames]

@Heliman234

Nah, sorry dude. It would've to be realistic sniper vs. sniper, which would be boring. Also I've no idea how to optimize large scale multiplayer, it's harder that you might think. Encrypting and sending only the cruicial information packets and stuff.

I'm thinking of LAN CO-OP with a spotter, that would be killer.

[TheJamesfeltner]

@RealationGames Killer? Killer my ass! That'd be fucking beast!

[jnssnable]

@RealationGames That's a great idea with co-op with a spotter!! :D

[Girrlikestacos]

Bullet drop, wind, tempature... These things should effect it, but how would you measure it without a hud.... Special tools maybe. I don't know... Just trying to help out. :)

[RealationGames]

@Girrlikestacos

Bullet ballistics including gravity, wind and coriolis effect has been done already.

Check out the newer video:

watch?v=e4UXqsIjiO8

There is no HUD in real life but there are tools and techniques to find environmental factors.

[hilltoplax21]

But can i quickscope?



[RealationGames]

@hilltoplax21

Can you "quickscope" with real life? Is that the way for a sniper rifle and sniper to be the most effective and meant to be used like that? Is the double rainbow guy US president?

Those questions have the same answer. Assault rifles are for close ranges(10-300m), no reason to use slow scoped weapon.

[xnickisepicx]

can u give me an early release? ;)

[RealationGames]

@xnickisepicx

When I release something, it will be released to all my subscribers.

[halo3pv]

what game is this?

[RealationGames]

@halo3pv

It says on the title. It's my game project, no name yet. Not released yet either.

It isn't in the stage to be called game yet... Merely TBA title still.

[TheSejrus]

Where download it ?

[RealationGames]

@TheSejrus

Nowhere yet.

No idea for release date either.

[botman1]

Here's a suggestion : make an additional scope view which will look like the one in call of duty or counter strike - the one where you don't see all the (blurred) environment around you when you decide to zoom in. So there would be 2 scope views, the current and the one I suggest. Also the new scope view could have a realistic crosshair, say from a dragunov which will actually help you aim with regards to wind speed, bullet drop, elevation, humidity... would be nice. Can't wait for the game!

[RealationGames]

@botman1

If I made another scope style(fps performance reasons) I would make the same as in Crysis for example, whole screen zoomed with the weapon scope. I'm not going to make that fullscreen black mask scope because it cripples the feel of being a sniper.

There will be own respective crosshair for each scope(also SVD crosshair). This one in the video is also realistic, the most often used Mil-dot scope(scale isn't correct yet). It can be used to calculate distances.

Thanks.

[botman1]

@RealationGames When are you planning to release the game? What will we shoot? Is it going to be free? I literally can't wait for this. The most realistic sniper game I played so far was Sniper Elite. Btw, a cosmetic suggestion would be to humanize the loading/reloading of the weapon. At the moment it looks as if a machine was doing it. Add a bit of feeling to it. Just my 2 cents :) You're doing an awesome job man!

[RealationGames]

@botman1

I've no idea for the release date nor specific direction where I have to head with the game. Probably SWAT sniping, so terrorist hunting. Yes, it'll be free.

As you can see in the huge disclaimer @0:00, animations are not ready. Every keyframe I do now will have to be redone anyways, so it would be waste of time at this stage. There is actually better animations in WIP1, 2009 ;)

I think ARMA2 is the most realistic sniping atm, though Sniper Elite is more fun IMO.

Thanks!

[MrBanaanipommi]

and this game is also much more realistic than COD at in this progress of the game!

[RealationGames]

@MrBanaanipommi

Well, COD doesn't even aim to be realistic in any way. It is aiming to be to be "authentic" arcade shooter. I'm also questioning that authenticity, because it's only based on that it has real life objects.

When we're talking about realism, not to mention simulating, there is pretty much only ARMA and BF2+Project Reality. Rest is mainstream arcade with real life weapons. These offer actual challange, thus aren't suitable for present day mainstream market.

Kiitti kommentista!

[MrBanaanipommi]

@RealationGames häh! ai olitko sää suomalainen?

[RealationGames]

@MrBanaanipommi

Jo vain, näkyy Finland kanavan tiedoissakin.

English only though on the comments section for now on.

[MrBanaanipommi]

wow! i love the dust when shoot! :D

[Brahhh69]

looks good

[alfa23o]

Subbed. Realy nice game can´t wait to try this.

[jelwulff]

looks really good looking forward to try it

[jnssnable]

Subbed! cant wait til this comes out!!!

looks so fun!!! ;D

Keep it up!! :)))

[CsDePaNiCoO]

@RealationGames

how do I download?

[RealationGames]

@CsDePaNiCoO

It's not released yet. Release will be noted on my Youtube channel.

[khepFX]

@RealationGames Hey, can you please release a demo of this game, even if this is not ended, because it looks great!

[4648434]

dude plz message me when this released and you sir have earned your self a subscriber!

[RealationGames]

@4648434

I will note about the relase with a video and bulletin message. Subscribers will have early access, and provide good testing group.

[Neomex000]

how's the progress? keep up the great work!

[RealationGames]

@Neomex000

Actually, in fact I'm just ready to make a new video about ballistics and Kestrel wind meter.

I'm not probably uploading anything today, because it's 11pm in Finland, but certainly tomorrow.

There's mediocre ballistics, with sound speed. It takes few seconds for bullet to reach target in 1km, and few seconds to hear the hit sound after shot.

Hearing metal hit 5 seconds after 1km shot makes you feel super triumph!

[18sharkkiller]

@RealationGames are you going to release it?

[RealationGames]

@18sharkkiller

Yes, but obviously it will take time.

[18sharkkiller]

@RealationGames Thank you, i can't wait !

[iamanicedemon]

Those are amazing mountains, flawless.

[RealationGames]

@iamanicedemon

It's just an skybox image, and it's not made by me either :(

[stephencoxismint]

y does it have the minecraft walking sound lol

[RealationGames]

@stephencoxismint

Didn't see the HUGE annotation in 0:17-0:25?

[stephencoxismint]

@RealationGames oh sorry

[XzKlowNzX]

Holy hell... I cannot wait for the actual game!!!!!!!!

[chappiell]

what programs u use to make a game "?

[jz989605]

Pretty sick if you ask me. Even though it's just started, this could turn out to be a good game! Keep it up! Don't get discouraged!

[YoranVloggs]

Minecraft sounds xd

[IMontajesProI]

wow this is goin to be aweome ;)

[XxAnythingRandomXx]

Do u have a skype? Have u thought bout releasein a beta

[RealationGames]

@XxAnythingRandomXx

No skype. I use FB only nowadays.

Beta? Beta is a light year away from this, beta is nearly finished game with about 99% of the features intact. This is not even pre-alpha, there is 0,01% progress done and LOTS of features TBA.

[XxAnythingRandomXx]

yeah. maybe in the future they might bring it out like that. oh well, time will tell

[ianh97]

Awesome awesome. Don't give it up, you got talent. If the game is going to be free, you should charge money for additional content, like addons.

[RealationGames]

@ianh97

Nah, I HATE over anything this new DLC shit policy. They make the game, then REMOVE parts of it so they could sell it again. It's all full hoax, games have DLCs announced before the freakin' game itself!

Nothing like few years ago, that the game is full, and what you buy is what you get.

I'd make only few coins, I mainly work at construction site for my main income.

And yes, this will indeed be 100% free.

[XxAnythingRandomXx]

U should try to get a job for some big gameing companies. U could revolutionize gameing. And bring it on all game types and stuff. I thought sniper ghost warrior was good but it didnt seem that great.

[RealationGames]

@XxAnythingRandomXx

Meh, I don't feel like working in game industry. The programmers etc. there have strict guidelines approved by the publisher.

The one and ONLY reason there is not such game like this, is that this wouldn't sell for millions, because it has very limited target group.

Sniper Ghost Warrior was just a unfinished game, it had nothing to do with simulations. I haven't finished even the first one yet, AI is horrible and the game quite linear.

[XxAnythingRandomXx]

Have u thought bout goin to big companies to put these ideas on everything? Your pretty smart

[XxAnythingRandomXx]

Is it goin to have multiplayer? Select classes? Target shooting? Lol sorry for all the questions. Dont mean to be annoying

[RealationGames]

@XxAnythingRandomXx

No competitive multiplayer, because it's hard to make and would require assault classes, because I would consider sniper vs. sniper very boring. But, there might be COOP singleplayer, to be played as spotter and shooter, which would be super neat with headset and everything. This is sniping only for player.

I've planned a singleplayer campaign with story, characters and plot twists. Merely SWAT sniping.

I don't mind questions, takes 1min, but I've answer most of them already.

[XxAnythingRandomXx]

Nice! How much do u think it would cost to buy when its released? Keep me updated!

[RealationGames]

@XxAnythingRandomXx

It will be free!

I just posted bulletin about the progress for my subscribers. New video sometime soon, in 1-2 weeks maybe.

[XxAnythingRandomXx]

Pc only?

[RealationGames]

@XxAnythingRandomXx

Of course.

[Zeverce]

hi I want to know what programs you used to make it and if they are free. thanks

[Retard702Skater]

can i be a game tester????

[RealationGames]

@Retard702Skater

I don't need testers at this point. When I need, I'll propably just link it to all my subscribers.

[Retard702Skater]

@RealationGames kk ill be sure to sub then

[Dunker110]

:D Its awesome man :D Plz make some ghillie suits :D And some missions :D 

[MJ12Group]

Want to try this!!!!

[MJ12Group]

Dragunov SVD, Barrett M82A1 + A2 and CheyTac M200 Intervation required to this game ;)))

[RealationGames]

@MJ12Group

Other rifles will be added later. Cheytac and M95 have already been modelled.

[MJ12Group]

@RealationGames Great! Just inform us when game ready for play :)

[gmodvin]

update video ?? U said you would upload videos regularly. Plzz ?

[RealationGames]

@gmodvin

Yeah, I know. Shit. I've been busy with school and other activites for a while, there's not much new.

I've done the wind meter, but it's not yet ready. And I want to also include particle engine for next video.

Here's a wind meter screenshot:

i160.photobucket [dot] com/albums/t187/TuPP3/snip.png

[eqee1000]

Any conformation on a release date?

And what console is being released on?

[RealationGames]

@eqee1000

No idea for release date. And it's for PC-only of course.

Consoles aren't for games IMO, and would be a nightmare to code anyways and impossible for indie developer.

[minecraftModNmore]

i cant wait till it comes out

[slugger449]

Really nice build, but from a consumer's point, why should I want this instead of say... ARMA 2 ? Or the more recently announced ARMA 3 ?

[RealationGames]

@slugger449

You can see many sniper features in this game that hasn't been used in any game ever. Like animated scope adjustment and ground debree from muzzle blast.

Also, ARMA doesn't use 2 camera scope system. All these add up to immersion. Also, I'm planning a more regular singleplayer campaign with characters and screenplay.

And a kind of point is also that this is free, so you don't really have to heavily consider and weight competitors to trying this :)

ARMA2 is also now free though?

[JayRyanManning]

@RealationGames great hope i ccan learn al this when i go to collage and univercity but now im only skillfull enough to use scratch xD

[RealationGames]

@JayRyanManning

Btw. you don't need any educational institutions to make games or learn programming. I was starting making games from 8-10 years old with my 333mhz PC, with Game Maker 1.4 I found from free distribution CD.

Today you can just Google yourself to programming master, back then internet wasn't so popular.

I don't study about game programming, or anything computer related :)

Just a hobby.

[JayRyanManning]

@RealationGames thanls dude ill get on it but ill still be doing courses and stuff since i wanna get some profesional advice and get scouted from the gaming companys :D

[JohnTheWolf636]

Awesome work, can't wait to see it when its got a release!

[JayRyanManning]

will you be adding a physic engine for the bullts like taking into the effects snipers have to take into acount and will there be a delay from firing to hitting i love the look of this and the idea thanks for reading

[RealationGames]

@JayRyanManning

Yes, bullets will be simulated within the physics engine as real flying objects.

[vetsohproductions]

Are you planning to add idle sway to the rifle when not prone?

[RealationGames]

@vetsohproductions

Yup, but I'm also planning so it will put down the weapon after some seconds. It's incredibly hard to hold weapon like that for a long time.

There is sway in the first WIP video, but it uses trigonometric functions(sin) to calculate the breathing, so it kills performance.

I'm not putting any overkilled hyperactive idle animation like in most games, I'll do it like in Hunter.

[vetsohproductions]

@RealationGames sounds good man, looking fwd to seeing it

[bublanina1234]

Minecraft sound ::DD 

[TheFajerball]

Some day, you have to make a tutorial about this!

[RealationGames]

@TheFajerball

Tutorial about how to play the game or use a rifle?

[TheFajerball]

@RealationGames actually, i was meaning how to make a game like this xD i have too be more clear of my meaning next time.... xD

[eqee1000]

what is this game and where can I get it?

[slh86]

You know what? I will preffer this game to Call of Duty. Sniper shots where barrel shows even when hip fired, scope is realistic and everything is so great. I would buy this game even with that kind of graphic. You buy game for the GAMEPLAY not for graphics.

[RealationGames]

@slh86

That's cool, but this game doesn't really have anything to do with COD, this is in whole different genre. Sniper rifles shouldn't even exist in Call Of Duty, and they are horribly misused. Using bolt action scoped rifle would be stupid under ranges of 200m. Basic hard sights automatic rifle would be far better choice in every way in CQC, it's way more faster.

In this game bullet leaves from barrel always and you see through scope. In games like COD or BC2 bullet leaves from the scope.

[slh86]

@RealationGames that is why I wrote that this game would be better than COD. Far better when it comes to sniping reality.

[RealationGames]

@slh86

Well, COD isn't really even aiming to be realistic so comparison is quite invalid.

This will be simulation in ways that have never been introduced in games before. Working on fully functional Kestrel wind meter atm ;)

[xXandrewman1020Xx]

One tiny thing, try to add a more realistic gravity on bullet system...in real life the bullet doesnt go completly straight, other than that this is really badass... i also like how u look throught the scope, instead of the whole scope taking up the screen

[RealationGames]

@xXandrewman1020Xx

Sure, as it's a simulation there will be ballistic sytem later. The range I'm shooting in the video is just 50m, with muzzle velocity of 900m/s the travel time is 0,056s, in which the bullet would have time to drop only 1,5cm, which could hardly be seen in this video anyways.

There will be full ballistics later using Newton physics engine, wind, gravity and probably coriolis effect too.

[432noob]

when this comes out im gonna give you a free domain!

[MrBreakfest]

When is this going to be released?

[RealationGames]

@MrBreakfest

I've no idea yet. 1-4 years?

[MrBreakfest]

@RealationGames Years!!!????? i would want this in months, do you have a download link for how it is now?

[RealationGames]

@MrBreakfest

Yup, surprisingly 1 man on his spare time does things remarkably slower than team of 8 hours a day working professionals...?

No reason to upload anything yet, it's not a game, just the testing field full of WIP stuff. Everything that is in the game can be seen in these videos.

There will be test versions in between, but game will be finished(story mode) in years.

[Ir0nF1st924]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! FINALLY A SNIPER GAME WHERE ONLY THE SCOPE ZOOMS IN!!! THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH!!!!! what do you predict will be the final system requirements for this? i would so pay money for this

[RealationGames]

@Ir0nF1st924

Thanks dude. I'm not sure about the system requirements, but they will be crazy high as this engine is veery slow... Anybody can make games, way better graphics than Crysis, but the hard part is to optimize them to run 30-60fps.

Also taking account that when zooming on separate scope will take 30-40%(that's a lot) of the performace because extra rendering.

Kinda the reason why this will be for free.

There is also HL2 mod called Insurgency that uses this scope.

[Ir0nF1st924]

@RealationGames dangit, i have a 6 yr old piece of crap computer and the only thing i have ever upgraded was the ram to 3 gigs, but im either getting a new computer before the end of this year or get a crap ton of upgrades for this pc, which the upgrades will cost a little less than a new computer, i just dont want to install parts that arent compatible with each other. the motherboard and cpu will be the most difficult in compatibility

[RealationGames]

@Ir0nF1st924

Best to go all out, pretty much only compatibility issue is motherboard. I'd say have if u have atleast Socket 775 or AM2 your good to upgrade, older than that would be quite waste. GPUs are pretty much compatible all around, I'd recommed HD6870 for best value. It's not wise to get the best, they drop value so fast and usually have very few games to use the power. You can get great rig for under 500$.

[MrVladdavid]

HOLY FUCK lol when you shot the first time i almost became a deaf man 0.0

:D

[RealationGames]

@smoneybaby100

There will be various rifles, graphics have nothing to do with the gameplay, so they will do, and why would BF3 launch have anything to do with this project? No, I don't think there is such thing to swap game engine renderings. Frostbite costs millions of dollars and is copyrighted anyways.

This will be whole different than those mainstream games(BC2,CODs,MOH,BF3), they have nothing to do with realism, not to mention simulating.

ARMA is pretty much the only realistic game.

[superminut]

dame la beta jugable ya"""""""

[RealationGames]

@superminut

English only.

And no, this is not by faaaaaar even first alphas. Something like beta would be like 3 years from now. Games aren't even announced at this early stage.

[SamF666]

this will be such a insane game :)

[marinecor23]

not trying to hate but i mean there will be different uniforms right? i mean you cant go in just BDU's i mean there will be ghillie suits right? just sayin also might want to make it move around just a little bit more when standing also will there be a multiplayer version cause the only multiplayer sniping game i like so far is arma 2 but this game has potential to beat even that

[RealationGames]

@marinecor23

Sure there will, but as said in disclaimers, models are not yet ready. They are for testing only. Disregard every appearance thing, this is show for for gameplay mechanics.

Idle animation will probably put the gun on hip, I don't know that many could hold a rifle like that for too long, it's heavy. As said, not ready

No multiplayer, this is sniping only, would be boring to have sniper vs sniper. I can't do anything like huge ARMA scale with this engine, not comepting with it at all.

[Kiyastand]

THIS MADE ME HAVE A ORGASM

[maxword3]

Hey where can i download this game?it looks perfect

[RealationGames]

@maxword3

Nowhere yet, and as you can see, it's not even a game yet. Just a developer test field.

[schmonable]

walk sound is from minecraft!!:D

[s3an9000]

I would happily pay upwards of $30 (AUD) for this masterpiece.

Are you one guy, or do you have a team/help?

[RealationGames]

@s3an9000

No need to, it's free. It might not run that well because of engine and not so professional optimizations.

I'm doing it 100% myself, programming, textures, animating, 3D modelling, designing etc.

[Gamerspc]

@RealationGames Its good so far! Just saying maybe more recoil on the guns.

[RealationGames]

@Gamerspc

As said in the first disclaimer, animations are just place holders for now because I will need to redo them over and over again multiple times for developement reasons.

[mudlabz]

nice work..can you prepare traps? climb trees? crossbow ;oP in the future :)

[RealationGames]

@mudlabz

Snipers usually work so far away of the object so traps quite unnecessary. Also taking account that this will be heading to urban SWAT sniping because of the engine.

Taking shot from a tree would be quite impossible and very visible/easy to take out. Crossbows aren't that much a long range things, and better suit hunting games.

Thanks for submitting the neat, original ideas though.

[gogoasaca]

Red Orchestra 2 introduced this view to sniper , DICE had learn some things for a perfect game in BF3:

1.This view to sniper with little blur outside area of zoom;

2. When i planting or disarming a bomb show as a animation like in Counter-Strike game;

3. Ammunition charge is like big bag, must be also like a real charger;

4. When i am reloading and i drop the charger with 5-6 bullets inside ,i lost them;

5. When i regenerate a wound show as a animation like in FarCry 2 with pliers and syringe.

[RealationGames]

@gogoasaca

To make perfect game of BF3 would require making it BF2, the best online FPS ever made. Battlefield 3 will dissapointingly never been anything but a cod-clone Bad Company 3.

Who disables mods from game and adds DLCs? Fucking bullshit, they don't even themselves believe that BF3 could outlast BF2

"DICE will focus on “lowering the threshold” for players"

No challange involved, just kids trying to solo 360 noscope without any squad tactics to hunt their ranks.

Nothing will compare to BF2

[123yamomz]

No head... o.O

[MBCPDev]

what language are you making this in? Also which editor?

[BlackWaterHD]

minecraft walking sound :D

[manofawsome12]

when he walks its like in snow :)