the universe existed long before humans even though humans did not exist let alone a concious form the universe still existed, with out the universe humans wouldnt exist, the universe will exist further more than humans. each human consiuosness after life is the same as the time before we were "born". whos to say humas are the olny lifeform with conciousness in this universe, im sure this universe wreaks of life form.
So you believe that everything wont exist without human consciousness there to observe it and you believe that because it is not within our ability to prove that it will continue to exist sans homo sapiens? That right?
Seems to me that we also can't prove that it wont exist sans Homo sapiens..and that seems like a more vital thing to prove for your theory..
And seeing how it's impossible to prove a negative..I enjoy the topic, but am unsure if it is a productive area of thought.Speciesist too.
Interesting, I'll try to take a look at that, thanks :) I think that consciousness is the main thing to consider in this matter. We're born conscious and nobody seems to know why...
Hi ZITZON, thanks for your comment, I've not watched this video for a while but in making it I was trying to explain that most ideas assume human existence to exist. It might seem obvious but I've long been interested in what would happen (or not) if there were no "humans" :)
I looked at moltenlava channel and it says it is closed...I wanted to post this comment that "you get our neuronal firings going at optimum speed" in provoking thought.
Thanks for your comment moltanlavafalls, I'm sorry I'm late with my reply. You saying you were like a kid in a candy store has really made my day you know. I'm sorry for the echo etc, I'm new to all this online video stuff but I hope to improve :)
YES human existance does not seem to be contingent ...our expalantions for what 'is' is totally arbitrary and irrelavent to laws. (I think with uncertainty)
I think birhan2006 might be referring to the echo, I just turned the bass down but she/he might have dwelled. Thanks alot for your vids, when I went to your channel I felt like a kid in a candy store. I rarely comment but I basically just sit back and think and expand and thank you for that.
Really the tapes are very hard to hear clearly. The sound is distorted and I think it is a distance from mike problem. So your ideas need extreme concentrated "listening" intellectually but added problem of "straining" to physically hear and thinking at same time.
Dude are you in prison?
Mi6Bagpuss 2 years ago
your an idiot a string shape could exist without humans it would just not be named a string
JackmanVideos 2 years ago
@JackmanVideos I second that.
YouVsJerry 9 months ago
the universe existed long before humans even though humans did not exist let alone a concious form the universe still existed, with out the universe humans wouldnt exist, the universe will exist further more than humans. each human consiuosness after life is the same as the time before we were "born". whos to say humas are the olny lifeform with conciousness in this universe, im sure this universe wreaks of life form.
lwhite9999 2 years ago
So you believe that everything wont exist without human consciousness there to observe it and you believe that because it is not within our ability to prove that it will continue to exist sans homo sapiens? That right?
Seems to me that we also can't prove that it wont exist sans Homo sapiens..and that seems like a more vital thing to prove for your theory..
And seeing how it's impossible to prove a negative..I enjoy the topic, but am unsure if it is a productive area of thought.Speciesist too.
Commodin 3 years ago
Interesting, I'll try to take a look at that, thanks :) I think that consciousness is the main thing to consider in this matter. We're born conscious and nobody seems to know why...
protheory 4 years ago
Hi ZITZON, thanks for your comment, I've not watched this video for a while but in making it I was trying to explain that most ideas assume human existence to exist. It might seem obvious but I've long been interested in what would happen (or not) if there were no "humans" :)
protheory 4 years ago
I looked at moltenlava channel and it says it is closed...I wanted to post this comment that "you get our neuronal firings going at optimum speed" in provoking thought.
ZITZON 4 years ago
I think there would be ammoral "harmony" without existance...things would happen but not good/bad just IT IS AS IT IS
ZITZON 4 years ago
Thanks for your comment moltanlavafalls, I'm sorry I'm late with my reply. You saying you were like a kid in a candy store has really made my day you know. I'm sorry for the echo etc, I'm new to all this online video stuff but I hope to improve :)
protheory 4 years ago
YES human existance does not seem to be contingent ...our expalantions for what 'is' is totally arbitrary and irrelavent to laws. (I think with uncertainty)
ZITZON 4 years ago
I think birhan2006 might be referring to the echo, I just turned the bass down but she/he might have dwelled. Thanks alot for your vids, when I went to your channel I felt like a kid in a candy store. I rarely comment but I basically just sit back and think and expand and thank you for that.
moltanlavafalls 4 years ago
Yeah Pro certainly gets our neural firings operating at optimun speed.
ZITZON 4 years ago
What makes you say that?
protheory 4 years ago
Really the tapes are very hard to hear clearly. The sound is distorted and I think it is a distance from mike problem. So your ideas need extreme concentrated "listening" intellectually but added problem of "straining" to physically hear and thinking at same time.
ZITZON 4 years ago
You are speaking to yourself, can't hear
birhan2006 4 years ago