Hydrogen Generator Update

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Hi patro46, I am about to install an hho system on my 1999 gmc sierra 1500, I have been watching many videos about this matter, I need some help in installing the EFIE box. Where did you install the signal from the EFIE box? If you can make a video about this it will be great! Thanks!

[MrAnthonyRichter]

I have a 2007 silverado 5.3 I am having trouble with my computer going into limp mode when I lean out the fuel using efie. Can anybody relate or offer advise?

[W1LDWESLEY]

i have a 2000 v6 1500 since yours is on here i just might start with it first. but first how is your truck doing so far?

[abtra]

Hey Patro,

How's it going? Are you still working on this setup? I am just now researching Hydrogen.What do you think about the ready-made kits available now?

I have a '98 dodge ram 1500 v6. I get around 14/20 mpg. Do you think it would be worth it to build a system like yours or simpler (if possible)?

Thanks,

Abtra

[pinoykunat]

Hello, I want to put an amp meter like yours, how did you wire it? I already have my digital amp meter prep for wiring. Thanks

[patro46]

The flash supressors are home made. Use 1/4' NPTx4" brass pipe. Cram the crap out of it with BRASS WOOL. You can find brass wool at your boat supply outlet. Place stainless steel screens at the two ends, and cap them off with brass nipples. Shrink sleeve the entire unit. VOLO! As good or better than you can buy.

Peace

[SunnyDaysRFun]

Where did you get your flash protector. So what can of gas mileage are you getting?

[boracay12]

according to the write up on pure energy sytems site , the hydrogen helps give the engine a more efficient burn of the gas/air mixture ,wich in a gas engine is pretty inefficient ,something like 17 % so gas engines have a higher percent increase than diesel

[patro46]

Very true indeed. If our autos of today were as efficient as manufactures claim, we wouldn't need a catalytic convertor to burn all the fuel that didn't get burned the first time around. There is a company working on a converter that recycles the unburnt fuel leaving the engine....they claim to be able to nearly double mileage. Give me fuel from the early 70's and I'll show you 100 mpg. Big oil knows it, and the additives are deliberately added to prevent such systems from functioning reliably.

[patro46]

I won't debate whether it works, as I'm well beyond that. Implementing it to function with todays computerized engine controls is indeed another thing. Oh, and please keep in mind I don't have a test facility like General Motors or Ford, and as most of us know, they don't answer to the consumer. I have seen your kind come and go. You aren't the first, and won't be the last. I'm pleased with the results I have achieved. Has it been a combination of improvements? Indeed it has.

[patro46]

As far as what the hydrogen/oxygen do, they simply help the projected 14.7-1 air fuel ratio and allow me to run a much higher air fuel ratio without running my engine too lean. Also, improved airflow, correct tire pressures, fully synthetic lubricant, and yes, especially the hydrogen and the ability to gain control of the fuel end of the ECM, great improvements can indeed be realized. This being said, pay your 4 bucks a gallon at the pump, and try and be content with a smile on your face..

Peace

[MichaelMantion]

What a load of crap. We have known about hh0 for decades. If it really increased the efficency of gas engines we would of heard about it. I have given it a great deal of thought, I am open to new ideas. Clearly hydrogen burns hotter and faster, but the small amount produced from electrolysis won't make any difference. If this worked you should prove it. Drive it for 2 weeks, have a friend turn it off for one of them, you can't know which. You should be able to tell by millage alone. Right?

[patro46]

13 MPG increase, on average.

peace

[fgleich]

so what gas mileage/mileage changes are you getting with this system ?

[danpoet2]

I have a 2003 GMC Sierra 5.3, and use a mister system. I am using the PCV input at the middle of the manifold. I noticed you were using the throttle body input, as well as the PCV as of late. Your input line, is my fresh air input to the PCV system, and has no vacuum. The only other line I see is on the bottom of the throttle body, and it looks as if it goes into the intake manifold. It is very short. Is this the line you used? Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated!

[patro46]

What I noticed was this. At idle, the fitting in front of the ventura has very little in any at all vacuum at idle/off idle operation. I was getting an extreme buildup of hydrogen in the bubbler (building positive pressure, so to speak). I look at this as "wasted" energy. Can I utulize EVERYTHING I manufacture? You bet I can. Also noted, once engine is operating above 1800 rpm, the area in front of the ventura draws more than the PCV valve. So...Best of both worlds? Dunno. Time will tell.

Peace

[danpoet2]

Is the fitting in question going to the rocker arm cover from the throttle body?

[patro46]

It goes like this, and in this order. Bubbler, flash suppressor, "Tee", One side of "Tee" goes to an unported (direct manifold vacuum), central location, smack dab in the middle of the intake manifold and the other end of "Tee" goes to tap directly in front of the throttle body butterfly. I think having BOTH is beneficial. 1. Idling utilizes the direct manifold vaccum. 2.Above 1800 RPM the connection @ the throttle body is a stronger vacuum signal than the direct manifold connection

[patro46]

Also note that there is a low pressure area located right before the throttle body butterfly. Under acceleration your getting a very large low pressure area resulting from all eight cylinders pulling air funneled that is being reduced to an area of about a 3.5-4.00 inch area. You could almost suck the balls off an elephant at this velocity, so I'd bet the engine can and does use ALL the hydrogen we can give it. Make me feel like Tim Taylor the Tool Man...GIVE ME MORE POWER!...hehe..

Peace

[danpoet2]

I have looked on my throttle body, and the only vacuum lines are:

1) fresh air to rocker arm cover for PCV system(3/8" line)

2) under throttle body a short 1/4" line to the intake manifold

3.) after t.b.: 1/4" vac line to emissions solenoid

There is no vac line on the air intake hose.

Thanks for your help! I also have an HHO I will be trying in the next few days, and a better vacuum source, I believe, is the key. My mister is using the center of the intake manifold, and works poorly.

[danpoet2]

I rechecked the lines, and the fresh air line has no vacuum at all at any rpm, and the line underneath is from the radiator going to the intake. Evidently, there is no throttle body vacuum signal on this year model(2003). I have seen diagrams of using the air filter plenum with a brass fitting of some kind as an alternative. Also, what kind of flash suppressor are you using, and is it available?

[patro46]

The location on the throttle body has a fresh air hose. Upwind the air passes through a MAF. The fitting I have is a dead signal.....UNTIL the throttle body open up. The low pressure area realized at this point creates a much stronger signal OFF IDLE. I was getting buildup of hydrogen in the bubbler until I added the other location as well. Flash suppressor is brass 1/4 NP jammed tighter than a hatband with BRASS wool. Stainless screens and nipple ends. Shrink Sleeve it and your done.

Peace

[danpoet2]

Just to be sure, are you using the fresh air hose location as your second vacuum source(PCV being the first)? I tried reading vacuum on that line, and didn't get any at all at 2000 rpm. So, I tapped into the air plenum upstream from the throttle body, and am getting better mileage with both the PCV and upstream lines. I really would have liked to hook it up the same way you did, as we have the same engine. Is the fresh air line your second source of vacuum?

[patro46]

One is for idle and one is for off idle. What motor do you have? The 325 V-8 Chevy has the PERFECT location, located smack dab in the very middle of the intake. When the only location was directly in front of the ventura, I was getting a build up of hydrogen in the bubbler.

[danpoet2]

I also have a 325 V-8(2003 GMC Sierra), and have used the PCV location in the intake with mixed results. Are using the fresh air hose on the throttle body as your other off idle input(besides PCV input for idle)? I didn't measure any vacuum there at 2000 rpm, and I don't see any other inputs on the t.b.. Also, I tapped into the air plenum upstream of the t.b., and it seems to work well. I would like to try your vacuum input, though....

[maxwell679]

Thats one of the cleanest installs I have seen on the tube! I am curious about your MAP sensor mod. What did you do to change your computer readings? Can I get a direct email for you so we can talk? I have a 2000 Tahoe so about the same as yours.

[patro46]

The map sensor mod in still located to the right of the hydrogen electronics module under the hood. It is a simple mod enabling me to "decrease" the voltage to the map. (Simple rheostat). This I'm changing soon. I have something in the works that should be able to TOTALLY automate the hydrogen system as a whole, taking variables such as basing reactor production on speed and temperature of production utiliing a variable PWM controlled by a PIC based computer. Talk about "user friendly".....hehe

[koshkudro]

How many liters per minute is your cell generating?

[patro46]

At around 23-26 amps the reactor generates about 3.4 LPM. (This is 32 plate cell). This can be attributed to "cell plate preparation". Can't stress this enough. The more microscopic "edges" I can give my plates, the more hydrogen per square inch I can manufacture. (Even my neutral plates generate a respectable amount). Oh, and don't handle your plates without rubber gloves. The oil in your fingers will STOP hydrogen production where you touch the plates. Sounds picky, but I've proved it. Peace

[PURUNGKUY]

my tracker saves 30% on fuel..it has a stainless steel thermos as my generator/cell conected to a 5ltr gas cotainer as my electrolye storage the electroyle recirculates via the pressure of the gas(hho)then the electrolye is fed again to the generator via gravity...it stays cool...no pwm.. no fancy coolers no pump..just plain & simple electrolysis gas pushing up the electrolyes then fed back to the generator... simple.... ihope i can find a way to make it upto 50% gas savings...

[PURUNGKUY]

nice

[topboi73]

Where did you purchase your flach surpressor?

[patro46]

Wasn't purchased. Make it yourself. 1/4" NPT brass tube and brass line tap fittings on the end. The innards are extremely tightly packed "brass wool". Do NOT use steel wool! You can get the brass wool from your local boat parts supply store. I got mine at Boater's World. Pack the living crap out of it. Trust me, the hydrogen can find it's way through it. Stainless steel screens inserted at both ends, then Teflon tape the threaded end caps. Shrink sleeve the entire unit. Or I'll sell you one.

[topboi73]

What kind of milage increase are you seeing with your truck?

[patro46]

I just posted my first results. 31 mpg. I think I can do even better than that one I get it dialed in. Not bad for a 2000 Chevy Silverado with a 326 V8, huh? Havent quite doubled my mileage yet.....

However, I'm not far off.

[topboi73]

Thank you That helps I Have and Avalanche and would like to see that kind of improvement wish me luck LOL !

[patro46]

The "LOL" will be when you are paying 2 bucks (at the pump) for a gallon of gas. We wish for those days, yet at 2 bucks a gallon it's STILL highway robbery. This technology has been suppressed far too long. You can bet if a dumb 'ol country boy can figure it out, the "Seven Ugly Sisters" have known about far longer than I have been around. We have the most plentiful source that God provided us....and it's everywhere. Our bodies are made mostly of it, and we cannot survive without it. Water.