And yes, fencing, with FIE equipment, if you want to be committed to the sport and compete as private club members instead of just school club members are pretty expensive. I know I spent thousands of dollars on new swords (i personally used bf. much sturdier.) and helmets, lame, chest protector, knickers, etc.
I give lessons with my adult athletes in thier shorts and t-shirt. I got taught by this method too and as long had control of the blade and distant it worked fine.
I always enjoy fencing coaches at work, you can learn so much.
-As a coach you get given a rating from 1-5 (In GBR anyway) and If you are 5 in al 3 weapons you re a proffessor of fencing.
-That is not the kind of lesson that anyone here (except me :P) would ever get. This isn't cos it's complicated but because it is fast. Benoit is an excellent fencer. I am a foilist but recognise good fencingI am going to be in the British Youth Championshipd for all three weapons very soon :P.
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but I would like to contribute to the discussion about correct kit when training. There is nothing wrong whatsoever when training to wear only, lets say, a mask, glove, t-shirt, shorts and shoes. Generally one shouldn't get injured if it's only a lesson or generic training. I think the issue here is that this appears to be more like a bout than a casual lesson and personally I'd feel far safer wearing full kit if I were the student.
It's not a bout. It's a lesson between a world-class coach and his world-class pupil. They've probably been working together for a long time, and this is where it has led. They can do it this speed, yet it is still just practice. And yes it is safe for them. If it looks dangerous that is because people don't have the requisite experience.
I make my beginning fencers wear full kit in lessons because I like to hit them if they don't parry properly. The advanced people can do lessons in t-shirts.
omg lol i love the people critiquing one of the greatest French Fencers alive... please, keep what you learned in your three hour class to yourself when talking about a professional
the high guard position is characteristic of a lot of french epee fencing. i developed it myself when i was there for two years.
it came from my coach's preference for direct straight counter attacks in line - rather than full classical parries as in the german/hungarian style. the high angled guard position allows you to move directly forward along the arm to hit. watch how smoothly and quickly janvier lands his lunge attacks along the line in the final two attempts.
the high guard position is characteristic of a lot of french epee fencing. i developed it myself when i was there for two years.
it came from my coach's preference for direct straight counter attacks in line - rather than full classical parries as in the german/hungarian style. the high angled guard position allows you to move directly forward along the arm to hit. watch how smoothly and quickly janvier lands his lunge attacks along the line in the final two attempts.
No need to write lesson/practice, it is a lesson. If you're from Canada then I find it very difficult to believe you've had a better lesson than this. Sicard is a great coach. He is better than both the current and previous national epee coach for Canada (Salomon and Konczalski).
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my dads a profesor of fencing, and he'd say that lesson was terrible! by the way the guy in the vids a maitre, and you have to be 5 times as qualified to be a profesor
It could have been idiot if it was'nt the French team's coach with one of the best french fencer!
They can control their actions, I'm not in the french team but I often take a lesson without jacket, only with under-plastron, glove and mask(and I'm a women...)!
When you're in national team you take very long and hard lesson as a consequence you can't wear all your equipement!!
It's still a stupid idea to do that. Many people have been badly injured from this sort of thing. The slightest slip of the coaches feet for example could cause him to hit his student harder than he intended. plus it would invalidate any insurance! Absolute minimum in the UK is plastron, glove and mask (and chest protector for women) and U16s must wear full kit. breeches dont have to be worn for lessons but are recommended for epee lessons!
If the rules have not changed the black is reserved for the coach. What idiot coach would ever let a student fence in short sleeve T-Shirt? A small accident can cause injury.
Erm, the French national épée coach. That's what idiot. I would be more worried if he couldn't control his actions such that a student would really be in danger.
In the 19th Century, there was no sport fencing, for men or women. Women did take fencing lessons back then, often in a skirt and not with other men students, only their coach. They did not duel as much as the men did either. But nowdays women fight men in fencing a lot. And they can beat them too, and get beaten.
that tang has an insane down bend
Jyc41789 9 months ago
Ah, don't wear shorts when fencing :)
And yes, fencing, with FIE equipment, if you want to be committed to the sport and compete as private club members instead of just school club members are pretty expensive. I know I spent thousands of dollars on new swords (i personally used bf. much sturdier.) and helmets, lame, chest protector, knickers, etc.
Wellwetry 1 year ago
does it hurt
masterofcola 1 year ago
@masterofcola only if you dont parry or the other guy doesn't hit properly :)
deed116 1 year ago
saw this guy last weekend!
VonKutlery 1 year ago
gr8 :)
wafi2009 2 years ago
I so badly wanna do fencing lol looks pretty hectic XD
hunterjumpergal96 2 years ago 3
same! hope its not too expensive...
chanellovesanime 2 years ago
This Benoit fellow looks very young.. he should be some 28 years old, if this video was made the same year as posted.. looks much younger
peeterpolomaa 2 years ago
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the boy in the white looks rediculous lol. Pretty noobtastic.
toadyboy20 2 years ago
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topdogf 2 years ago
I give lessons with my adult athletes in thier shorts and t-shirt. I got taught by this method too and as long had control of the blade and distant it worked fine.
I always enjoy fencing coaches at work, you can learn so much.
SamStuart07 2 years ago 2
Epée or Foil?
Matildafencing 3 years ago
Epee.
AdelaideRiya 2 years ago
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No breeches, no jacket ,probably no plastron too... this isn't to FIE regulations. Plus it's gonna hurt lol
ddbdavid888 3 years ago
What do FIE regs have to do with lessons?
As someone wrote below, don't apply your three-hour beginner's class experience to what you are seeing here...
fatalist06 2 years ago
-As a coach you get given a rating from 1-5 (In GBR anyway) and If you are 5 in al 3 weapons you re a proffessor of fencing.
-That is not the kind of lesson that anyone here (except me :P) would ever get. This isn't cos it's complicated but because it is fast. Benoit is an excellent fencer. I am a foilist but recognise good fencingI am going to be in the British Youth Championshipd for all three weapons very soon :P.
zaniwilson 3 years ago
Aye, my old coach was Prof Bert Bracewell! Yeah, him!! Haha, but now I have another who actually has few enough pupils to care for me :P
I qualified for the U18s Men's Epee BYC for East Scotland but I had to pull out cos I dislocated my wrist :(
And yes, if you're good then you don't need protection in personal lessons - I don't wear any but the mask but mine aren't quite as fast as this!
santiano42 3 years ago
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but I would like to contribute to the discussion about correct kit when training. There is nothing wrong whatsoever when training to wear only, lets say, a mask, glove, t-shirt, shorts and shoes. Generally one shouldn't get injured if it's only a lesson or generic training. I think the issue here is that this appears to be more like a bout than a casual lesson and personally I'd feel far safer wearing full kit if I were the student.
akarski87 3 years ago
It's not a bout. It's a lesson between a world-class coach and his world-class pupil. They've probably been working together for a long time, and this is where it has led. They can do it this speed, yet it is still just practice. And yes it is safe for them. If it looks dangerous that is because people don't have the requisite experience.
fatalist06 2 years ago 4
I make my beginning fencers wear full kit in lessons because I like to hit them if they don't parry properly. The advanced people can do lessons in t-shirts.
swrdgrl 2 years ago 10
omg lol i love the people critiquing one of the greatest French Fencers alive... please, keep what you learned in your three hour class to yourself when talking about a professional
demosthenes760 3 years ago 4
ya i think he is, the bell on the epee is supposed to keep your arm from being hit, but like that its an easy target : /
andreraf 3 years ago
@ wellitsali & andreraf
the high guard position is characteristic of a lot of french epee fencing. i developed it myself when i was there for two years.
it came from my coach's preference for direct straight counter attacks in line - rather than full classical parries as in the german/hungarian style. the high angled guard position allows you to move directly forward along the arm to hit. watch how smoothly and quickly janvier lands his lunge attacks along the line in the final two attempts.
theloniouz 3 years ago
si it jsut me or is the guy in white have a bad hand posture.?
wellitsali 3 years ago
@ wellitsali & andreraf
the high guard position is characteristic of a lot of french epee fencing. i developed it myself when i was there for two years.
it came from my coach's preference for direct straight counter attacks in line - rather than full classical parries as in the german/hungarian style. the high angled guard position allows you to move directly forward along the arm to hit. watch how smoothly and quickly janvier lands his lunge attacks along the line in the final two attempts.
theloniouz 3 years ago
not a bad lesson/practice. but i've seen and been in better
Zenz04 3 years ago
No need to write lesson/practice, it is a lesson. If you're from Canada then I find it very difficult to believe you've had a better lesson than this. Sicard is a great coach. He is better than both the current and previous national epee coach for Canada (Salomon and Konczalski).
sam4epee 3 years ago
Most of the comments here appear to be by people with little to no experience in fencing. This is a great lesson.
sam4epee 4 years ago 4
i agree but have seen better
laurenaaf 3 years ago
OK guys maybe should known that maître sicard is one of the master of the french national school.
He has trained fencer like Flessel.
The guy is F.Janvier a member of the french national team.
psylvain31 4 years ago
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my dads a profesor of fencing, and he'd say that lesson was terrible! by the way the guy in the vids a maitre, and you have to be 5 times as qualified to be a profesor
rocketcheese 4 years ago
lol, sicard's footwork is pretty bad yea XD and they're not wearing proper clothing and i haven't even started fencing
siriusblack9999 4 years ago
lol, professor of fencing eh? did he have a hard time making a proper living?
iambetterthanyouall 3 years ago
its a coach not a proffesor like in a lab lol
rocketcheese 3 years ago
I'm appalled at the blatant disregard for safety.
PissedFechtmeister 4 years ago
Excellent!
david7401 4 years ago
I fence without my jacket. You're fencing for an hour straight with no breaks. It keeps you cooler.
dearlacey 4 years ago
It could have been idiot if it was'nt the French team's coach with one of the best french fencer!
They can control their actions, I'm not in the french team but I often take a lesson without jacket, only with under-plastron, glove and mask(and I'm a women...)!
When you're in national team you take very long and hard lesson as a consequence you can't wear all your equipement!!
ramboulette 4 years ago 3
It's still a stupid idea to do that. Many people have been badly injured from this sort of thing. The slightest slip of the coaches feet for example could cause him to hit his student harder than he intended. plus it would invalidate any insurance! Absolute minimum in the UK is plastron, glove and mask (and chest protector for women) and U16s must wear full kit. breeches dont have to be worn for lessons but are recommended for epee lessons!
crazyepeeist 4 years ago
Many? Fencing has one of the best safety records of any sport. Golf is statistically a more dangerous sport!
indy2512 4 years ago 13
@indy2512 Dangerous is when you fence vs novices who have improper technique and no accuracy.
nushadow2008 1 year ago
@indy2512 there are more golfing people, IDIOT!!!!!!!!! Learn MATHAMATICS!!!!!!
Bregowald 1 month ago
If the rules have not changed the black is reserved for the coach. What idiot coach would ever let a student fence in short sleeve T-Shirt? A small accident can cause injury.
hellois5letters 4 years ago
are you an expert?
indy2512 4 years ago
I an not an expert. I have learnt swordsmanship from my grandfather since 12 years old and have fenced for about 30 years.
hellois5letters 4 years ago
Erm, the French national épée coach. That's what idiot. I would be more worried if he couldn't control his actions such that a student would really be in danger.
siamhussein 4 years ago
Sure, because no fencer has ever made a mistake.
mvirkus 4 years ago
not bad.
amenote 4 years ago
No, many women fence today.
In the 19th Century, there was no sport fencing, for men or women. Women did take fencing lessons back then, often in a skirt and not with other men students, only their coach. They did not duel as much as the men did either. But nowdays women fight men in fencing a lot. And they can beat them too, and get beaten.
biggumm 4 years ago
Is Fencing only a mens sport?
1985BFS 4 years ago
No, it's a women sport too!
shirley979 4 years ago
Someone said it was, and I thought it was unfair, so I just wanted to know (this is still same 1985BFS person)
soberbytool 4 years ago
Here this happen?
JewliaAguiar 5 years ago