Human Evolution Aided by Dogs - Horizon: The Secret Life of the Dog - BBC Two

[methtastesgood]

humans are NOT carnivores.

[StefyStuff]

I wish vegetarians would pipe down and stop talking about how we should be vegetarians, well guess what here is reality, nobody here cares that you eat only vegetables and fruit, do I think it is wrong that people in slaughter house torture, and put their animals on roids, Yes! But when I get the chance, I'm moving to my grandfathers 100+acre farm and raising my own free range livestock, free of added hormones, and I'm gonna sell those fruits, veggies, and meats at the market every year!

[PUSPUSinthaBUSHBUSH]

This is why dogs are better than cats

[pchiekrie]

creationist listen to this please

[idunno4got]

humans are not just carnivores, we are omivores.

[MetalBru01]

@idunno4got True but at the time humans mainly hunted for meat.

[Aupas]

@idunno4got He didn't mention that as in we are ONLY carnivores, he's stating it because it's the reason WHY wolves were attracted to us initially. L2payattention.

[TheDreamClaw]

Aphex Twin & Dogs FTW !

;D

[hunkeelin]

WTF is wrong, wolf hunt both at night and day light =.= not just daylight.

[MEGACricketman]

Look at all the biologists in the comments debating their researched theories...

[Dylithe]

We're carnivores? Wth?

[Coffeeisnecessary]

@Dylithe I am a vegetarian

[TrEnergon]

@Coffeeisnecessary youve never eaten meat your entire life? ask your self that.

[emjayxluv]

@Dylithe yep humans are pretty much carnivores, our digestive tract is not made to be able to actually fully digest plant fibres from what i know. dont question bbc with the REAL scientists..

[Dylithe]

@emjayxluv We poorly digest a lot of nutrients in meat, too. How the fuck can we be carnivores? I'd like to see you survive on a diet consisting solely of animals.

[emjayxluv]

@Dylithe Apparently we are, if youve got more questions email the bbc scientist guys lol... yeh id like to fucking try 'survive on a diet consisting soley of animals' think itd be pretty sweet if i had the money to

[Dylithe]

@emjayxluv Defend your opinion, woman! It'd have to be highly specialized, far more so than a vegetarian/vegan diet. I was vegetarian for 5 years, I've done a lot of research. Go live with the Eskimos, not that you'd live very long.

[wingituk]

@emjayxluv Bullshit! I haven't eaten meat for over 30 years and very possibly in a lot better shape than you my friend, certainly healthier than my flesh eating heart-attack-waiting-to-happen friends. And dogs ARE OMNIVORES. They need cereal/veg in their diet to ward off rampant renal disease.

[StefyStuff]

@wingituk you make a good point dogs are omnivores which makes me wonder how they derived from wolves. Domestic dogs have more in common with jackals than wolves, they are both omnivores, cannot regurgitate food on purpose, sometimes work in packs, and are more dog like when raised from the wild. Also did you know that some of the first dogs were domesticated in Africa, which is a wolf free continent, but is overrun by jackals. I think jackals, wolves, and coyotes all were domesticated into dogs

[TimmyGal]

I always knew dogs were better than cats!!!

[oopalonga]

"Without the domestication of dogs, human civilization wouldn't have been possible". . .is this guy serious?! "Humans would still be hunter gathers without dogs" LMAO!. . .Then you've got more "scientists" saying that tame wolves eventually led to the evolution of the dog, as if "tameness" somehow translates into the eventual physical adaptations that we see in dogs today. Riiiiiight. These "scientists" are a step a way from religion, if you ask me.

[Roxy4217]

@oopalonga Yes this is a valid point but in books that I have read states that dogs were the first animal that humans deomesticated obviously in the early stages thus opening the door to cultivation and social control.

[rhonan]

@oopalonga You should read up on the work of Dmitri Belyaev. In just 10 generations of selective breading, he was able turn the wild silver fox in to a tame, and visible different bread of fox. Oddly enough, the differences between the tame foxes and the wild foxes includes many of the same morphological differences we see between wolves and dogs. Turns out that when you select for tameness, you get a whole bunch of physical changes as well. So yeah, Belyaev demonstrated evolution in action.

[minecraftscientist]

@oopalonga sorry to make this point but when wolfs where born different and there desireble traits then people made sure that lineage lived and so that is how the genetic process standed it has nothing to do with tameness(or does it anyways) it wouldve been alot harder to make a transition between hunter gatherers and herders without dogs and some religions do include dogs if this point makes no sense im sorry

[maximum411]

@oopalonga

yeah look up dmitri belyaev. it will answer all of your questions about how dogs were domesticated.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@oopalonga I think sometimes it is best to keep religion out of science, they don't mix

[eladbari]

i Totally agree that Dogs influenced us all, but i still try to figure out this last phrase being said in this video...that" without dogs civilization wouldnt be possible"? why?

[gooddarkjedi]

@eladbari why? bechose without dogs, guarding your area whuld be impossible. all kind of animals whuld eat your croops. if there is dogs then they keep all animals away.

[LordBifford]

@gooddarkjedi Have anthropologists ever noted a major civilization that did not use domesticated dogs?

[rhonan]

@eladbari The step between hunter/gatherer and settled farmer is the herder.  Dogs made herding more effective that hunting.

[eladbari]

@rhonan very interesting point. now, i wonder...did our "first" dog-human relationship was with wolves? and then, somehow, from some breedings- evolved dogs? i just always hear that phrase..that the origin of the dogs are wolves..but i never seem to get what possibly could turn one animal to another. wolves are wolves. how could they turn into dogs? who bark to communicate with us..unlike wolves..etc..

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@eladbari Wolves do bark, just like dogs howl. Evolution works the same way that every living things grow and reproduce. If you keep combining certain traits, you will get the result of those two combined. Just like you will most likely have the same color hair as one or both of your parents. It is all chemical reactions, adaption to the environment, and genes.

Dogs are not exactly another animal; they are a version of the wolf but with less of their abilities

[eladbari]

@TheBlueRainWolf thanks for the explanation, my friend...but that is Exactly the point!

If you-as a human being-are made from the special genes of both of your parents, and then you say- that dogs are a version of the wolf....then who is that other animal that reproduced with the wolf to make this version of a dog? that is the missing piece for me.

cause as i see it now, dogs are offsprings of pure wolves...but something happened along the way that they became dogs...just like us & monkies

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@eladbari Wolves are wolves because they have been breeding and living as the wolf is built to live. Everything that a wolf is is built to work with the environment around them.

Dogs are different because, as they became more and more domesticated, there was less stress on their bodies to survive and they didn't live the same way as wolves. They ate different foods, or at least ate it in a different form. They were used as hunters in the beginning, their body chemicals grew to fit that main need

[HardcoreClassics]

@TheBlueRainWolf

And they have abilities that wolves lack as well. If you watch the rest of the documentary. They have inbuilt behaviours that wolves lack, such as recognising human gestures.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics That is not necessarily an ability they lack. Wolves aren't around people, therefore obviously they wouldn't know our signals. Dogs are trained and live among humans so naturally they will pick up on their pack members' behavior.

[HardcoreClassics]

@TheBlueRainWolf

You obviously havn't seen the rest of the documentary. It showed experiments with wolves being raised as dogs. Wolves raised as dogs, were still wolves, untrainable, agressive and lacked the communication skills that dogs and humans share.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics I've seen the whole documentary

[HardcoreClassics]

@TheBlueRainWolf

Search for video "Nature vs. Nurture in Dogs and Wolves " from the same documentary.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics The qualities of the wolf still remain in both it's upbringing and biological status. Because dogs have been bred to be with humans over these thousands of years, they have become less aggressive and more cooperative with us. Wolves are still wolves, with the same thinking when it comes to humans or wolves. That wolf will treat both as if they were pack members because he was raised with humans but still knows how to react around his own kind.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics It is not that their cooperation or understanding of humans is not there, it is just less obviously and, mainly, less important to the wolf.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics To be quite honest, I'm surprised that wolf didn't eat the cat. These people who did the experiment were not good dog trainers, simple as that. I have seen domesticated dogs behave worse. Jumping up on the table? That is not wolf behavior, that is behavior from an animal that hasn't had the right discipline. That women did not act correctly. Maybe they did not intend to flaw the experiment, but for a wolf I give him credit, he behaved better that even I expected.

[HardcoreClassics]

@TheBlueRainWolf

I really don't know what you're going on about it to be honest?

Thousands of years of breedng has resulted in dogs being somewhat different than wolves - in appearance and behaviour . This was a scientific study with a control group. Nothing in the documentary suggests the study was flawed.

Dogs share around 98-99% of their genetic material with wolves, bear in mind here that we humans share about 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees. If dogs are wolves, are chimps human?

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics Obviously they are somewhat different. I am not say dogs are wolves.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics The only control in that experiment was that it was the same women. We never got to see the dogs she raised before the wolves, so how does the viewer get to find out how good of a dog trainer she is?

[HardcoreClassics]

@TheBlueRainWolf

Having a control group raised by different poeple would be pointless - it wouldn't be a control group. Same methods by the same people resulted in the wolves having very different behaviour than the dog.

The finding by a scientific study are that you cannot raise wolves and train them to the same level of dogs.

Gentically they are 99% the same, but if we are 98% the same as chimps then quite clearly 1% should not be treated as an insignificant amount.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@HardcoreClassics Whether it's controlled or not, that lady is not a proper dog trainer, let alone a wolf trainer.

[HardcoreClassics]

@TheBlueRainWolf

That's the point of having a control group. She didn't need to be a proper dog trainer.

[kidvicemusic]

what's with this dogs rule and cats drool talk? u know your mutt stand no chance against a real cat. ie: tiger lion panther v---v raaaaaaaaawr

[DeadWhiteButterflies]

They played Aphex Twin in the background :)

[Wodey25]

Dogs Up, Cats Down, Y'all!

[120jack920]

cats and dogs are the coolest pets, and i dont kno why ppl dislike cats so much. why? like wtf is wrong with cats? but i gotta say dogs are the shit though.

[teezakar3a]

7 rottweilers, and 2 german shepherds, and i appreciated them and i love them, and now i love them even more, dogs rule and cats drool

[LuckyJLloyd]

Wow so the wolves changed into dogs thats evolution right there!

[LordBifford]

@LuckyJLloyd It's not Darwinian natural selection, but human selective breeding, which creationists fully accept.

[62ROSKO]

@LordBifford FUK THE CREATIONISTS + WOT THEY ACCEPT.  EVOLUTION IS SELECTIVE BREEDING,MILLIONS OF YEARS WORTH

[pguard36]

This is one of my favorite songs. Does anyone know what it is called? I've always wanted to know since wathcing Sleep Furiously.

[rosepearljanis]

animals werent just for food-shelter-tools-ect

[billyoffire]

wat were not carnivores were omnivores

[grant22310]

ants are carnivore ants hunter by day

[SteelTofu]

@grant22310 arent ants herbivores.. I think what there getting at is that Dogs and Wolves were smart enough to train to protect livestock and agriculture, but ants however, couldnt really stop a bear eating all your sheep.

[ECTBWHO]

: )

[jwarrior343]

we are omnivore not carnivore wtf?

[nbkk7jm]

I was thinking that too. lol

[monkeyfunforidiots]

We both needed to hunt for meat, that's the point.

[1878EFC2008]

A carnivore is an animal that eats meat, not one that eats JUST meat.

[ezzbuzz]

but we can suvive with out ANY meat..?

[jwarrior343]

i know that, but we are omnivore

[dmj481]

@jwarrior343 Really? Are our teeth herbivore? As for the canine teeth...are they even proper canine/best for meat eating ;)

[jwarrior343]

@dmj481 im a vegetarian, but we are omnivores regardless, although we dont have the ability to tear off raw meat/consume it properly without becoming ill due to the decaying meat in our bodies :S

[dmj481]

@jwarrior343 i know lol

[scottmcd94]

@jwarrior343 we can digest raw meats, just that most people wouldn't be used to it so your stomach hasnt built up defesnes for it

[rhonan]

@jwarrior343 Humans can digest raw fish and meat just fine, for example, sushi and steak tartar. Now, meat digests better when cooked, and cooking certainly eliminates worries of most parasites, but people can survive on raw meat alone rather well. Though personally, I'd much rather cook it with some nice veggies and make a proper stew.

[robostairs]

@dmj481 humans are omnivores

[dmj481]

@robostairs Is it so cut and dry ;)

[robostairs]

@dmj481 u lost me..

[IAmTheCthulhu]

@dmj481 dental records of early man and our subspecies ancestors show that our canine teeth have been shrinking. Not that we don't need some meat in our diet, just that we really can't eat raw meat, thus no need for big cutting teeth. We can live without meat though, plant materials do have essentially everything important we need, all the vitamins, proteins, etc. Its really just up to choice though. Me? I'm an omnivore - one buying from local farms, by local I mean next door. lol :P

[dmj481]

@IAmTheCthulhu ;)

[RoboTekno]

dogs are just f**king awesome :D

[Xbox360videos141]

I like this video :)

I love dogs/wolf

<3