@crowarc Please see the "Blogs" sectiom of my website, where I have written a blog entitled "How To Acquire a Lyre" (the URL for my website is given on my Youtube Channel Page)
I'm a Classicist and an English major and there is nothing more hauntingly beautiful that hearing history speak from the recesses of memory... I loved this. Thank you so much. I played this video over and over again it satisfied me so!
Have you made an album? I would love to buy it just so I can keep hearing it! You play wonderfully!
@selearemus This really depends where youre talking about. Most civilizations around the world have some kind of stringed instrument they started with (something basic and primitive) and moved up from there.
8000 years BACK, youre asking about a time long long ago. In those days if there were any instruments at all, they were made of bones--most likely flutes.
hmmmm.. surley a slight exaggeration in the improvisation? They didn't use polyphony in ancient greek music, and I maybe wrong, but I can hear two notes plucked in unison. Also, how do we know what ancient greek music sounds like? The only surviving scores are unreadable by modern man! your playing Sounds very nice though! I am interested in this because I am writing a dissertation on the subject at the moment.
I give you a ton of credit & you really are blessed by Apollo himself, but I always liked Pan more than Apollo....There's no way Pan could've lost- No Way....& He Lives!!!
Glad you like it! To learn how to play this amazing melody, please see my video response in the yellow bar below, "How To Play The Music Of Ancient Greece (2 of 2)". I have done a studio quality recording of this piece on track 11 of my new album, available from cdbaby, "An Ancient Lyre" - please spread the word! Thanks...
Glad you like this initial nasty 2006 "Lo Fi" recording (courtesy of my "Argos" PC Mic & Webcam! A nice new Hi Fi studio quality recording of this amazing piece, can be heard on my new album, "An Ancient Lyre" (available from cdbaby)...please spread the word!! Thanks...
Glad you like it! A studio quality recording of this amazing remnant of the music of ancient Greece, can be heard on track 11 of my new MP3 album "An Ancient Lyre" - any individual track from the album can now be instantly downloaded from cdbaby. I have also recorded "Song of Seikilos" and "The First Delphic Hymn to Apollo" on this album...all details on my Youtube Channel Page!
As I have developed my lyre-playing technique since this video was recorded, this is now exactly the style of playing I use - I use finger-plucked tones with my left hand, and plectrum-plucked tones with my right hand....please visit my "ancientlyre" website for loads more fascinating info and videos!
Hmm...it has truly been an age since I've heard this piece. There was a backing to this, though, despite this being the second melody. The speed was also different, but one cannot blame you. Overall, you do bring back fond memories. Thank you for that, my friend.
The lyre is a replica of the "Kinnor" lyre of the ancient Hebrews (10 strings instead of the 7 strings of the almost identical, ancient Greek Kithara...to correspond to the 10 Commandments!). The strings are tuned here, bass to treble:DEF#GABC#DEF#. Please read the detailed "Bio" section of my "ancientlyre" website for all the fascinating historical details, & to hear tracks from my 2 CDs of ancient lyre music (the URL to my website is given in the red banner above the video).
Thanks! Check out my most bizzare ancient music video EVER..."The Music of Ancient Greece - THRASHED ON AN AXE!" In this somewhat unique "musical" experiment, I had a go at arranging the 2nd century melody of "Hymn to the Muse" by Mesomedes of Crete, on my mean red BEAST of a twin humbuckered machine!! ;o)
Praise God for this wonderful music! :D You are so blessed my friend-all of the music you play is so enchanting and absolutely, positively enjoyable-thank you so :)))
I heard this piece on the album "Musique De La Grece Antique". I put a little improvisation for the last few phrases to make the fragment sound more musically interesting. For all details about 2 albums of mystical lyre music, please visit my Youtube Channel Page - I just wish I lived 3000 years ago...so that I didnt have to worry about attempting to sell CDs of lyre music in the current global ecconomic meltdown! :o(
My 2 albums of mystical lyre music, "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel" & my new album, "Lyre of the Levites", are both available from cdbaby (all details on my Youtube Channel Page). Individual tracks from the 1st album can also be downloaded from Apple iTunes & Amazon MP3 Store...
I think the ONLY surviving fragment of Roman music known, (unlike the relatively large surviving fragments of ancient Greek music) is one pityful phrase...this can be heard on the recording "Musique de la Grece Antique" available from Amazon
i guess that's because of the fall of rome...i know they used flutes and lyres and things of that ilk because of roman paintings of musicians and stuff...i am curious what there music sounded like though.
Thanks! To hear what this amaizng lyre sounds like when professionally recorded in the studio, check out my debut CD of mystical lyre music...please visit my Youtube Channel Page for all details on how to order a copy. The CD is available all over the world, at just $10.99 until the end of January :o)
I am not sure - I learnt this amazing melody by ear, after hearing it on the CD "Musique de la Grece Antique"(available from Amazon). I THINK there may be a book by M.R. West which contains all the known fragments of music from ancient Greece in modern musical notation - I haven't had chance to find a copy yet!
No..I got it off Ebay! This replica "kinnor" lyre, as featured in my TOTALLY cool, mellow & mystical debut album, "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel"...now available as either the CD or instant digital download from cdbaby for just $13.99!!! (Sorry - I just couldn't resist that plug!), is cheaply manufactured & available from anywhere in the world! Just do a Google image seach for "Kinnor" & you will soon find a store which sells them - I got mine for just £140!
Thank you! Please check out what this amazing lyre sounds like, when professionally recorded in a studio (in contrast to this, my cheap & nasty webcam/PC mic Youtube video recording setup!)...my album of mystical, ancient lyre music, "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel" is available now, from cdbaby - please visit my Youtube Channel Page for all the details :o)
In answer to your 2nd question, I have posted a series of 13 "online lyre lessons", right here on Youtube; check out my my series of "HOW TO PLAY KING DAVID'S LYRE" lessons...
The lyre I'm playing here, is a cheaply manufactured replica of the ancient Jewish "Kinnor"; the lyre once played by King David & the Levites. It is remarkably similar to the ancient Greek "Kithara"; the large wooden lyre favoured by the professional musicians of ancient Greece! It can be ordered from Hobgoblin Music, Manchester, UK (all details are given on my Youtube Channel Page); they also stock my debut CD of mystical, ancient lyre music; "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel"!
I'm building an electronic kithara, and am tuning it to tetrachordal modes, using quarter tones and other varying intervals not found in the church modes. (hoping to recreate a sound from around the time of 400BCE)
ancient greek music was purly monophonic no? so should i omit chords from my compositions?
a very pretty sounding piece though, i will definitely remember your instruments timbre as i work on modeling mine. thx
This haunting, almost dream-like fragment of melody was preverved in ancient Byzantine manuscripts(Conspectus codicum:
V. Venetus Marcianus appl. cl. VI, saec. XIII-XIV
N. Neapolitanus graecus III. C4, saec. XV
F. Florentius Ricc. 41, saec. XVI), in the unambiguous alphabetical musical notation used in ancient Greece, & the melodic fragment is catalogued as "Anonymous, Bellermann 97-104". I THINK it was written in sometime in the 1st- 3rd centuries CE...
In answer to your 2nd question, from my actual exerience of learnng to play the lyre,I'm almost convinced that the ancients often used basic harmony; the surviving fragments of melodies of ancient Greek music IMPLY a sense of tonality (as contrasted with simple folk melodies, which only require a basic drone as accompaniment).Illustrations of ancient lyre players also clearly show that BOTH hands are being used - a simultaneous combination of plectrum & finger-plucked tones...
I doubt that it's real ancient greek music .The lyre looks like replica on ancient israeli one.Yes, the harp like tembre of this instrument is pleasing ,but ,I'm afraid ,the music is created by this ancient lyre replica's owner...
It certainly IS fragment of ancient Greek music! Please READ the detailed "About this video" section - it was preserved in ancient Byzantine manuscripts in the unambiguous alphabetical musical notation of ancient Greece(catalogued as "Anonymous, Bellermann 97-104)".The lyre is a replica of the ancient Isaeli Kinnor, but the Kinnor is almost identical to the ancient Greek Kithara. I learnt it from the recording "Musique de la Grece Antique" available on Amazon.
Thank you - I am glad you have enjoyed listening to my many "Musical Adventures in Time Travel". My debut CD of solo lyre music will be out by about early August. Please visit my Myspace site for further details, and to hear 6 of the 22 tracks on my album - the URL for my Myspace site is given on my Youtube Channel Page. I will contact you as soon as my CD is ready :o)
Afto einai ena eidos tis mousikis pou akougan oi arxaioi Ellines omws ti akougan oi neoi tis epoxis eimai poly paraksenos.. ti sigekrimeno komati apokliete einai poly vareto srry kiolas
The lyre I am playing is a mass produced replica of the ancient Jewish "Kinnor" lyre - this is almost identical in sound/appearance to the ancient Greek Kithara.Just do a Google image search for "Kinnor", and you will find many stores which sell the very same instrument I am playing. Also, check out my series of 13 "online lyre lessons" here on Youtube...good luck!
This is utterly fascinating. I am no musicologist, or even a musician, but I was entirely unaware that the ancient Greeks even possessed a system of musical notation and am sure I have read the contrary more than once. I am quite delightfully surprised to find I was mistaken.
the ancient greek one looks like...what else, greek letters, and the medieval greeks in Byzantium had one that looked like arabic. Byzantine music is still used in Orthodox churches and it is still written in the same way. To me it looks as I said like Arabic, but my brother knows how to read it, and I even have a antique book in it.
Also do you only play string instruments or do you play other greek instruments, such as the Aulos (Double pipe thingy) or percussion instruments? Thanks.
I only play the lyre (although I have had some somewhat surreal fun here on YT, experimenting with playing ancient Greek music, bluegrass-style...on a 5-string BANJO!!).Check out the AMAZING videos of ancient Greek music posted by "Michael Atherton & Melismos", also here on YT - you can hear ancient Greek percussion, Kithara and Aulos as NEVER heard before...it is simply stunning!!
sorry for reposting but i just had to say that is such a lovely haunting sound . totally unique sounding .. wow.. sorry but I felt my previous post was way too short
The ancient Greek Kithara-like lyre I'm playing, is, in fact a replica of the strikingly similar ancient Jewish Temple Lyre, the ancient Hebrew "Kinnor", based on illustrations found on ancient Jewish coins...I got it on Ebay for £140 from the Earrly Music Shop in Bradford, UK! These lyres are mass produced in Pakistan, and available all over the world - just do a Google image search of "Kinnor" & you will see what I mean :o)
This is amazing ! at first it sounded incoherent to me ,being so used to the scales that are more commonly used today but after hearing it a few times it has really taken on shape and sounds as you describe ; haunting .
My only question is , are you sure that is quite close to how it sounded? Look forward to the album realease, well done!
The Illyrians were an ancient people neighboring ancient Greece,living in the area stretching from modern Albania to modern Slovenia roughly.Their king Bardhyilis allied with some of the Greeks and liberated all Illyrian slaves.Some say traditional Albanian music bears some traces of ancient Illyrian music,but some others deny this. An idea on how I could direct my research?
You could try contacting John Wheeler; an academic expert on ancient music, who runs the "teamim" channel here on Youtube...unfortunately, all I know about ancient music myself, is either what I have browsed from the Web or what I have taught myself from listening to a few recordings
Hi Klezfiddle, i'm sorry to bother again, but since I got no response from you, I have to be this annoying. So, any clues on what ancient Illyrian music would have been like?
There was! Ancient Greek musical notation was well documented - it consisted of alphbetical symbols denoting pitch, written above the text of the song - do a Google image search of "Delphic Hymn" or "Song of Seikilos",and you can actually see how this notation it was written!
I heard an ancient legend that if you tune a Lyre to the multiples of phi and played it in the presence of a marble statue the sound would animate the statue. That might explain the building of the pyramids.
The ancients had a different way to perceive the presence of a perfect made statue, and in particular light conditions, they thought that with the help of a sound maybe similar to the one you hearing here, they could even infuse the soul in it(consider that the statues had crystal eyes, skin colored and wore real clothes). The one about Pyramids was another story.
fantastic, I really want to get a kithara, or learn how to make one. Very nice, real world experiments will get a further than books by non musician scholars. Thank you for this
Thankyou! You may like to check out a new group on Youtube,who specialize in simply AMAZING performances of ancient Greek music,(& who sound infinitely more professional than my these,my little humble home-spun musical experiments!)They are called "Michael Atherton & Melismos" and their Youtube Channel is "93348902"
my friend nupharluteum when the byzantine empire was founded the ancient greek melodie were transferred into the empire,i mean the greek music contunued to exist.the byzantine empire concluded many oriental countries as a result the greek musi spreaded .modern greek music has no big difference with the ancient..it's its natural "developement"
In 1976,Suzanne Haik-Vantoura deciphered the ORIGINAL,3000 year old,complete melodies of the Psalms of the Hebrew Bible,to which the sound of this Kinnor Lyre once accompanied!She accomplished this feat,by discovering that the "Te Amim" accents attached to the Hebrew text actually represented hand gestures,denoting both pitch & ornamentaion!These AMAZING melodies,can now be heard on Youtube - see also the fantastic Youtube channel,"teamim"!!
The 10 strings of my lyre are tuned:Eb,F,G,Ab(Tonic),Bb,C,D,Eb(Tonic),F,G - it is basically a regular major scale,but with an augmented 4th(eg if it were in the key of F major,the B would be played natural instead of flat).I don't know the ancient Greek name for what this particular mode is called,but to me,it creates a most haunting,dream-like sound...
That CD entitled "Musique de la Grece Antique" was recorded by a great group of Spanish musicians. A question: can you see similarities between ancient greek music and present day oriental traditions (arabic, coptic, turkish-iranian, indian)? Congrats again.
Nupharluteum: at the risk of oversimplification, everyone borrowed from everybody! For example, Arabo-Islamic music was the heir of the ancient Greek, Mesopotamian and Indian music theories, among others.
I always get confused with names of modes - this one is the equivalent intervals formed when starting a scale on F using all the white notes on the piano(ie the 4th is played natural instead of flattened).In medieval times,the same names given to the ancient Greek modes were used to describe entirely different scales - hence my confusion!Youtubers Rakkav or Bouzouki123 may be able to enlighten you further on this point.
All right, thanks for your precision, it is just that i've read in a book concerning history of music that all these styles were related with diferent emotions in this time which are not obvious for us, but thanks for playing this music, it is very rare and precious.
It's a frencho book, called "Histoire de la musique", by Rebatet, but there's only a chapter about greek music (because there's few piece of music wich stayed, about 20 or 30 maximum).
I have finally figuerd it out - it is in the ancient Greek "Hypolydian" mode; the same intervals as a scale of F-F on the white notes of the piano, and so there is an augmented 4th. Confusingly, this scale in mediaeval and modern music theory came to be known as the Lydian mode.
we dont give a fuck, we created Israel so the Jewish people could have their own land and not be fucked over and murdered every other century. Israel is very, very tiny. The muslims attacked it twice, failed both times, and because they failed they ended up losing a lot of land, thats their own damn fault.
Also, its in American national interest for Israel to exist.
Wow... Your kithara is very beautiful and it seems really ancient, too!!! In fact I study Ancient Greek and Latin...:o Are there other "You Tube" persons that study these "dead-languages"???
Ancient Greek is not a "dead language"! Modern Greek and some topical dialexts in many places in Greece are the same as Ancient Greek with some few differences!
this has probably been mentioned before but is the sounds made when played its natural sound or have up got it amplified.
its really amazing and beautiful!!
i can picture a jewish temple filled with people and burning insence and candles and you just hear this beautiful instrument ringing in the background.
I found this amazing Kinnor lyre on Ebay,after being inspired to learn it myself,after hearing the CD"Ancient Echoes;Music from the Time of Jesus & Jersusalem's Second Temple" - it is virtually identical to the ancient Greek Kithara,hence my experimentation in playing ancient Greek music on it.I use an acoustic guitar pickup,with just a hint of reverb for the "etherial" effect!
This is beautiful, even though it is totally different to what we're used to in the western world, it has a beautiful ethereal, soothing quality. Great work bringing this pieces back to us!
The fragment of melody,cataloged as "Anonymous, Bellermann 97-104",was found inscribed on papyrus - unlike most forms of musical notation from Antiquity,Greek musical notation is totally unambiguous.Give or take the odd glissando/improvisation around the phrases at the end of the melodic fragment,this is exactly as it would have sounded,over 2000 years ago!
hey.... is the bridge maybe placed on the natural harmonics with this instrument (I`m building a lyre...and i am thinking on puting the bridge on the harmonics but i don`t know if its enough vibrations there) ...so can you tell me? ...and oh...man REALLY NICE PIECE OF MUSIC!! cool! keep up the good work
Glad you like it:o)The bridge is actually in a quite random position on the lyre...I never even thought about a more scientific approach to its positioning!Do let me know how your own experiments go...
where did you find these old instruments i've been searching for any old instruments that has been used before seemed so hard to find any
crowarc 5 months ago
@crowarc Please see the "Blogs" sectiom of my website, where I have written a blog entitled "How To Acquire a Lyre" (the URL for my website is given on my Youtube Channel Page)
Klezfiddle1 5 months ago
@Klezfiddle1 thx
crowarc 5 months ago
I'm a Classicist and an English major and there is nothing more hauntingly beautiful that hearing history speak from the recesses of memory... I loved this. Thank you so much. I played this video over and over again it satisfied me so!
Have you made an album? I would love to buy it just so I can keep hearing it! You play wonderfully!
AnimusQueLupa 1 year ago
im curios how was the music like 8000-7000 years ago.
selearemus 1 year ago
@selearemus This really depends where youre talking about. Most civilizations around the world have some kind of stringed instrument they started with (something basic and primitive) and moved up from there.
8000 years BACK, youre asking about a time long long ago. In those days if there were any instruments at all, they were made of bones--most likely flutes.
AnimusQueLupa 1 year ago
I was so curious on how a lyre sounds like; now I know and it's a really beautiful instrument. <3
thank you so much for sharing!
d3vilcat2004 1 year ago
@Klezfiddle1 Fantastic playing, just became interested in the Lyre after reading Iliad, and great Half-Life reference btw had me hysterical
brooklynstudio 1 year ago
WOW! Great job, I didn't think Lyre existed in this modern time, it sounds so beautiful, I think about going to Greece. Keep it up Klez! God bless.
orlandobabe 1 year ago
Klezfiddle1, have you ever heard the ancient greek story of Orpheus, the Lyre player?
MrMrMrprofessor 1 year ago
Apollo would be pleased.
PhezTheFez 1 year ago
the camera makes it sound quite atmospheric
jemuzzz 1 year ago
absolutely beautiful... Apollo would be proud :D
ilovejeffhardy831 1 year ago
hmmmm.. surley a slight exaggeration in the improvisation? They didn't use polyphony in ancient greek music, and I maybe wrong, but I can hear two notes plucked in unison. Also, how do we know what ancient greek music sounds like? The only surviving scores are unreadable by modern man! your playing Sounds very nice though! I am interested in this because I am writing a dissertation on the subject at the moment.
mattmurrey 1 year ago
I give you a ton of credit & you really are blessed by Apollo himself, but I always liked Pan more than Apollo....There's no way Pan could've lost- No Way....& He Lives!!!
Sinanthir 2 years ago
@Sinanthir He looks more like Pan than Apollo though!
seviyorim 1 year ago
Nah...I look more like some sort of suitably Hellenic "Gordon Freeman" clone! ;o)
Klezfiddle1 1 year ago 14
hahaha i just googled gordon freeman and you do look like him xDDD
InbictaProductionzZ 1 year ago
This music really made myspeakers crack. Ha ha ha, god job sir.
~Wille
petkol 2 years ago
I found this music so great, that I asked Michael Levy to use in my video about secrets of ancient Greece! Follows the link:
/watch?v=g1cG8X3vBEE
Thanks. :-)
Much success with your great music!
EasyMeditation 2 years ago 2
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EasyMeditation 2 years ago
Wait a minute... they didn't have cameras in Ancient Greece!!!
m4lvolio 2 years ago
Very beautiful. You play it very well and the tune soothes the mind. I've never actually heard the lyre being played before, so thanks for sharing!
1LadyBlackCat 2 years ago 7
Glad you like it! To learn how to play this amazing melody, please see my video response in the yellow bar below, "How To Play The Music Of Ancient Greece (2 of 2)". I have done a studio quality recording of this piece on track 11 of my new album, available from cdbaby, "An Ancient Lyre" - please spread the word! Thanks...
Klezfiddle1 2 years ago
Wonderful! I suppose it's too much to hope that any 5th Century Attic music has survived......
rattinox 2 years ago 4
Glad you like this initial nasty 2006 "Lo Fi" recording (courtesy of my "Argos" PC Mic & Webcam! A nice new Hi Fi studio quality recording of this amazing piece, can be heard on my new album, "An Ancient Lyre" (available from cdbaby)...please spread the word!! Thanks...
Klezfiddle1 2 years ago
Very dream like and soothing. I could totally see myself drinking some wine with some nymphs to this!
Cloc817 2 years ago
Glad you like it! A studio quality recording of this amazing remnant of the music of ancient Greece, can be heard on track 11 of my new MP3 album "An Ancient Lyre" - any individual track from the album can now be instantly downloaded from cdbaby. I have also recorded "Song of Seikilos" and "The First Delphic Hymn to Apollo" on this album...all details on my Youtube Channel Page!
Klezfiddle1 2 years ago
this is great, but didn't they plec the strings(like a guitar), instead of plucking them(like a harp)
justafraction 2 years ago
As I have developed my lyre-playing technique since this video was recorded, this is now exactly the style of playing I use - I use finger-plucked tones with my left hand, and plectrum-plucked tones with my right hand....please visit my "ancientlyre" website for loads more fascinating info and videos!
Klezfiddle1 2 years ago
Why I oughtta
Jazzgirl1983 2 years ago
Hmm...it has truly been an age since I've heard this piece. There was a backing to this, though, despite this being the second melody. The speed was also different, but one cannot blame you. Overall, you do bring back fond memories. Thank you for that, my friend.
MasterAndreRaven 2 years ago
wonderful piece.
how is this lyre tuned up (if it is)? what tuning patterns does it follow?
if you have any bibliography regarding ancient music to share I would be grateful.
congratulations for your work.
rafael6485 2 years ago
The lyre is a replica of the "Kinnor" lyre of the ancient Hebrews (10 strings instead of the 7 strings of the almost identical, ancient Greek Kithara...to correspond to the 10 Commandments!). The strings are tuned here, bass to treble:DEF#GABC#DEF#. Please read the detailed "Bio" section of my "ancientlyre" website for all the fascinating historical details, & to hear tracks from my 2 CDs of ancient lyre music (the URL to my website is given in the red banner above the video).
Klezfiddle1 2 years ago
Pretty! <3
thebluestofpeas 2 years ago
You rock!!! Try beating Apollo, next time!
PsytranceMan777 2 years ago
Thanks! Check out my most bizzare ancient music video EVER..."The Music of Ancient Greece - THRASHED ON AN AXE!" In this somewhat unique "musical" experiment, I had a go at arranging the 2nd century melody of "Hymn to the Muse" by Mesomedes of Crete, on my mean red BEAST of a twin humbuckered machine!! ;o)
Klezfiddle1 2 years ago
i love the resonant, percussive tone
deckman92 2 years ago
Praise God for this wonderful music! :D You are so blessed my friend-all of the music you play is so enchanting and absolutely, positively enjoyable-thank you so :)))
SatyagrahaFaithLove 2 years ago 2
What year was this piece composed?
vortexxman 2 years ago
cyprus is greece
TURKEYS OUT
where's onu? fuck!!!!
Botafoguense89 2 years ago 17
cool greek music
Elwaziry 2 years ago 5
Very interesting. Haunting, really. Is that actually the end or is that where the fragment ends?
DecodingDoom 2 years ago
I heard this piece on the album "Musique De La Grece Antique". I put a little improvisation for the last few phrases to make the fragment sound more musically interesting. For all details about 2 albums of mystical lyre music, please visit my Youtube Channel Page - I just wish I lived 3000 years ago...so that I didnt have to worry about attempting to sell CDs of lyre music in the current global ecconomic meltdown! :o(
Klezfiddle1 2 years ago
Thank you so much for sharing, very impressive.
superlowblue 2 years ago
Beautiful.....
SaraCHA88 2 years ago
wow intéressant merci
symphonie19 2 years ago
wow this is amazing, and it is helping me with my research on ancient greek music, thanks =)!
Loofy14 2 years ago
Wow....O.O I've been looking for recordings of ancient music like this!!! Absolutely beautiful!
katethegreat19 3 years ago
My 2 albums of mystical lyre music, "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel" & my new album, "Lyre of the Levites", are both available from cdbaby (all details on my Youtube Channel Page). Individual tracks from the 1st album can also be downloaded from Apple iTunes & Amazon MP3 Store...
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
any ancient roman music u know?
romanpr1nce 3 years ago
I think the ONLY surviving fragment of Roman music known, (unlike the relatively large surviving fragments of ancient Greek music) is one pityful phrase...this can be heard on the recording "Musique de la Grece Antique" available from Amazon
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
i guess that's because of the fall of rome...i know they used flutes and lyres and things of that ilk because of roman paintings of musicians and stuff...i am curious what there music sounded like though.
romanpr1nce 3 years ago
sounds like pakistani Rabab.
TriumphRock 3 years ago
Btw this is the most beautiful sound I hvae heard in a while...
Ullbora 3 years ago
Thanks! To hear what this amaizng lyre sounds like when professionally recorded in the studio, check out my debut CD of mystical lyre music...please visit my Youtube Channel Page for all details on how to order a copy. The CD is available all over the world, at just $10.99 until the end of January :o)
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
You just helped me find music for my A+ (hopefully) Poetry project!! 5 stars!!
Ullbora 3 years ago
Music from myth, so beautiful.
I feel somehing same feeling to Japanese traditional music.
FAUVEEX 3 years ago
very nice. )
ShamanAKA11 3 years ago
the first 30 seconds are amazingly beautiful :))
dessert57 3 years ago
Mezmorizing. Especially when you picture people thousands of years ago sitting and listening to the same notes... wow amazine
kash959 3 years ago 2
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cmpsr9258 3 years ago
mystic enlightened ancient greek music.
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buctario 3 years ago
where could i get the sheet music for this?
lorlorfields 3 years ago
I am not sure - I learnt this amazing melody by ear, after hearing it on the CD "Musique de la Grece Antique"(available from Amazon). I THINK there may be a book by M.R. West which contains all the known fragments of music from ancient Greece in modern musical notation - I haven't had chance to find a copy yet!
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
did you build that lyre?
williestratton 3 years ago
No..I got it off Ebay! This replica "kinnor" lyre, as featured in my TOTALLY cool, mellow & mystical debut album, "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel"...now available as either the CD or instant digital download from cdbaby for just $13.99!!! (Sorry - I just couldn't resist that plug!), is cheaply manufactured & available from anywhere in the world! Just do a Google image seach for "Kinnor" & you will soon find a store which sells them - I got mine for just £140!
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
I love this...transports me back to ancient greece or rome.....great great
dessert57 3 years ago
your music is the most hypnotic and the most beautiful i have ever heard
1234ryn96 3 years ago
Thank you! Please check out what this amazing lyre sounds like, when professionally recorded in a studio (in contrast to this, my cheap & nasty webcam/PC mic Youtube video recording setup!)...my album of mystical, ancient lyre music, "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel" is available now, from cdbaby - please visit my Youtube Channel Page for all the details :o)
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
this is cool its like hearing the continuty of human consciuosness thru the ages a journey thru time keep up the good videos
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basiliscobasilisco 3 years ago
Where can you get lyre's, and how do you learn to play one?
goldenspartangods 3 years ago
In answer to your 2nd question, I have posted a series of 13 "online lyre lessons", right here on Youtube; check out my my series of "HOW TO PLAY KING DAVID'S LYRE" lessons...
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
The lyre I'm playing here, is a cheaply manufactured replica of the ancient Jewish "Kinnor"; the lyre once played by King David & the Levites. It is remarkably similar to the ancient Greek "Kithara"; the large wooden lyre favoured by the professional musicians of ancient Greece! It can be ordered from Hobgoblin Music, Manchester, UK (all details are given on my Youtube Channel Page); they also stock my debut CD of mystical, ancient lyre music; "King David's Lyre; Echoes of Ancient Israel"!
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
its nice hearing not just music but hearing what humans did 2500 years ago its like the living past is alive in music
biggugly0402 3 years ago
From what time period is this music?
I'm building an electronic kithara, and am tuning it to tetrachordal modes, using quarter tones and other varying intervals not found in the church modes. (hoping to recreate a sound from around the time of 400BCE)
ancient greek music was purly monophonic no? so should i omit chords from my compositions?
a very pretty sounding piece though, i will definitely remember your instruments timbre as i work on modeling mine. thx
prontoamico 3 years ago
This haunting, almost dream-like fragment of melody was preverved in ancient Byzantine manuscripts(Conspectus codicum:
V. Venetus Marcianus appl. cl. VI, saec. XIII-XIV
N. Neapolitanus graecus III. C4, saec. XV
F. Florentius Ricc. 41, saec. XVI), in the unambiguous alphabetical musical notation used in ancient Greece, & the melodic fragment is catalogued as "Anonymous, Bellermann 97-104". I THINK it was written in sometime in the 1st- 3rd centuries CE...
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
In answer to your 2nd question, from my actual exerience of learnng to play the lyre,I'm almost convinced that the ancients often used basic harmony; the surviving fragments of melodies of ancient Greek music IMPLY a sense of tonality (as contrasted with simple folk melodies, which only require a basic drone as accompaniment).Illustrations of ancient lyre players also clearly show that BOTH hands are being used - a simultaneous combination of plectrum & finger-plucked tones...
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
whoa talk about hypnotizing
Kittens594 3 years ago
this is awesome =) im considering doing a thesis on ancient greek music, particularly the lyre! so this is exciting =)
MishterJeebs 3 years ago
Molto bello!
Ciao da un ELLENO-SICILIANO!!
teopompo77 3 years ago 2
Very interesting indeed, it's a real shame that so much of this ancient culture is lost. Thanks for posting this.
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karrathe 3 years ago
beautiful and special very very good..
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wiccam 3 years ago
Sorry if I'm wrong,but I have a filling that , in some degree ,I'm probably right ....
Brmafuzfafailio 3 years ago
...then listen to the recording of this piece as it was performed on the CD album "Musique de la Grece Antique"!
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
I doubt that it's real ancient greek music .The lyre looks like replica on ancient israeli one.Yes, the harp like tembre of this instrument is pleasing ,but ,I'm afraid ,the music is created by this ancient lyre replica's owner...
Brmafuzfafailio 3 years ago
It certainly IS fragment of ancient Greek music! Please READ the detailed "About this video" section - it was preserved in ancient Byzantine manuscripts in the unambiguous alphabetical musical notation of ancient Greece(catalogued as "Anonymous, Bellermann 97-104)".The lyre is a replica of the ancient Isaeli Kinnor, but the Kinnor is almost identical to the ancient Greek Kithara. I learnt it from the recording "Musique de la Grece Antique" available on Amazon.
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
awesome
5 stars
uniquewarrior1 3 years ago
excelent sound.. vangelis is more o less the same not' gretting from mexico
5735740 3 years ago
beautiful music......greeting from the latin America
JRDL1981 3 years ago
bravo swstos, polu kalo!
sfentonas11 3 years ago 2
A great performance :) Many wishes for success from Turkey! :)
MelianTheMaia 3 years ago 4
that was fantastic! were can i find your music? i live in greece. do you have a cd released here?
ProphetCassandra 3 years ago
Thank you - I am glad you have enjoyed listening to my many "Musical Adventures in Time Travel". My debut CD of solo lyre music will be out by about early August. Please visit my Myspace site for further details, and to hear 6 of the 22 tracks on my album - the URL for my Myspace site is given on my Youtube Channel Page. I will contact you as soon as my CD is ready :o)
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
Afto einai ena eidos tis mousikis pou akougan oi arxaioi Ellines omws ti akougan oi neoi tis epoxis eimai poly paraksenos.. ti sigekrimeno komati apokliete einai poly vareto srry kiolas
AlexSBTM 3 years ago
This sounds so wonderful... Absolutely wonderful. Thank you. All the best wishes from Greece!
elsavas 3 years ago
Great! I'm italian and I'd like to find and instrument like this! How can I find it?
Thanks!
jumblemusic 3 years ago 2
The lyre I am playing is a mass produced replica of the ancient Jewish "Kinnor" lyre - this is almost identical in sound/appearance to the ancient Greek Kithara.Just do a Google image search for "Kinnor", and you will find many stores which sell the very same instrument I am playing. Also, check out my series of 13 "online lyre lessons" here on Youtube...good luck!
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
This is utterly fascinating. I am no musicologist, or even a musician, but I was entirely unaware that the ancient Greeks even possessed a system of musical notation and am sure I have read the contrary more than once. I am quite delightfully surprised to find I was mistaken.
polymath7 3 years ago
the ancient greek one looks like...what else, greek letters, and the medieval greeks in Byzantium had one that looked like arabic. Byzantine music is still used in Orthodox churches and it is still written in the same way. To me it looks as I said like Arabic, but my brother knows how to read it, and I even have a antique book in it.
eismakedon 3 years ago
You are great!!! thank you
xaramano 3 years ago
Nice.
jdel58 3 years ago
Ok I'll do that. Thanks for the reply.
GnaeusServilius 3 years ago
wonderfull!
ctrlstartalt 3 years ago
Also do you only play string instruments or do you play other greek instruments, such as the Aulos (Double pipe thingy) or percussion instruments? Thanks.
GnaeusServilius 3 years ago
I only play the lyre (although I have had some somewhat surreal fun here on YT, experimenting with playing ancient Greek music, bluegrass-style...on a 5-string BANJO!!).Check out the AMAZING videos of ancient Greek music posted by "Michael Atherton & Melismos", also here on YT - you can hear ancient Greek percussion, Kithara and Aulos as NEVER heard before...it is simply stunning!!
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
That was very nice. Is it a difficult instrument to play?
GnaeusServilius 3 years ago
sorry for reposting but i just had to say that is such a lovely haunting sound . totally unique sounding .. wow.. sorry but I felt my previous post was way too short
LionGoddess1 3 years ago
oh that is freaky @_@
LionGoddess1 3 years ago
This is really good! Thank you so much for posting it!
ztbikus 3 years ago
Very nice.
michaliscon 3 years ago
sweet...how much does one of those cost?????
lfag132007 3 years ago
The ancient Greek Kithara-like lyre I'm playing, is, in fact a replica of the strikingly similar ancient Jewish Temple Lyre, the ancient Hebrew "Kinnor", based on illustrations found on ancient Jewish coins...I got it on Ebay for £140 from the Earrly Music Shop in Bradford, UK! These lyres are mass produced in Pakistan, and available all over the world - just do a Google image search of "Kinnor" & you will see what I mean :o)
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
Wow! very nice music:) Thank You
gaiteiro17 3 years ago
This is amazing ! at first it sounded incoherent to me ,being so used to the scales that are more commonly used today but after hearing it a few times it has really taken on shape and sounds as you describe ; haunting .
My only question is , are you sure that is quite close to how it sounded? Look forward to the album realease, well done!
parrhasius 3 years ago 2
bravo
androsphelos 3 years ago 2
The aeons of reverb give it as much a dreamy quality as that augmented 4th.
JellytrollThelwall 3 years ago 3
The Illyrians were an ancient people neighboring ancient Greece,living in the area stretching from modern Albania to modern Slovenia roughly.Their king Bardhyilis allied with some of the Greeks and liberated all Illyrian slaves.Some say traditional Albanian music bears some traces of ancient Illyrian music,but some others deny this. An idea on how I could direct my research?
FjaleeBese 3 years ago
You could try contacting John Wheeler; an academic expert on ancient music, who runs the "teamim" channel here on Youtube...unfortunately, all I know about ancient music myself, is either what I have browsed from the Web or what I have taught myself from listening to a few recordings
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
Hi Klezfiddle, i'm sorry to bother again, but since I got no response from you, I have to be this annoying. So, any clues on what ancient Illyrian music would have been like?
FjaleeBese 3 years ago
My apologies.I am afraid I have never heard any of this music - which country does this come from?Did you mean Syrian music?
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
Wonderful and very evocative. Thanks!
kiowa22 4 years ago
Klezfiddle1,
this is indeed interesting. Thanks for posting.
Now, since you are studying ancient melodies, would you be able help be revive Illyrian melodies, at least some of it.
Illyrians were ancient northern neighbors of ancient Greeks, and they lived in area roughly from modern Slovenia to northern Greece.
Do you think you could assist me here?
Thanx
Arben
FjaleeBese 4 years ago
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are you kidding me . iam greek and what you made is a piece of..not good!
nicolasbest 4 years ago
It's ANCIENT greek, you know, Ἀριστοτέλης.
Raziel280990 3 years ago 2
how do you prove this is actually greek melody
there was no written method for music
grossgermany 4 years ago
There was! Ancient Greek musical notation was well documented - it consisted of alphbetical symbols denoting pitch, written above the text of the song - do a Google image search of "Delphic Hymn" or "Song of Seikilos",and you can actually see how this notation it was written!
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
Im studing this kind of music in class (6th grade) and that is one of the most buetiful things I ever herd im my life :}
wolfcrud12 4 years ago
extremely impressive!!!!that's so exciting to see that people who lived in my city played this music.
mparmparos 4 years ago
I wish I had a CD of this music. It makes me feel so relaxed! Kudos to you. :-)
Asxhmoula 4 years ago
... beautiful
helena1900 4 years ago
You should listen to mongolion music it sounds just like this. Perhaps it spread that far east with the ripples of Alexander.
Catuveluni 4 years ago
I heard an ancient legend that if you tune a Lyre to the multiples of phi and played it in the presence of a marble statue the sound would animate the statue. That might explain the building of the pyramids.
smkymcnugget420 4 years ago
The ancients had a different way to perceive the presence of a perfect made statue, and in particular light conditions, they thought that with the help of a sound maybe similar to the one you hearing here, they could even infuse the soul in it(consider that the statues had crystal eyes, skin colored and wore real clothes). The one about Pyramids was another story.
Januacaeli 4 years ago
Amazing, I've nowt heard any music of antiquity this complete in sound... Most of the rest appear fragmented -- this seems whole. Thank you.
D0ug16 4 years ago
fantastic, I really want to get a kithara, or learn how to make one. Very nice, real world experiments will get a further than books by non musician scholars. Thank you for this
kevingermain 4 years ago
this is GREAT!!!!!!!!:)))))))
mowshetung 4 years ago
This is what I was looking for. Your interpretation is so full of truth. EFXARISTO
Melisalexandria 4 years ago
youTube: greek metaphysical
artcritic1 4 years ago
what do we know. this was probably some ancient Greek pre-fab pop hit.
turdferguson2 4 years ago
Thankyou! You may like to check out a new group on Youtube,who specialize in simply AMAZING performances of ancient Greek music,(& who sound infinitely more professional than my these,my little humble home-spun musical experiments!)They are called "Michael Atherton & Melismos" and their Youtube Channel is "93348902"
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
spectacular. thank you, Klezfiddle1 :) the sounds of a once great civilization...
Burimi 4 years ago
my friend nupharluteum when the byzantine empire was founded the ancient greek melodie were transferred into the empire,i mean the greek music contunued to exist.the byzantine empire concluded many oriental countries as a result the greek musi spreaded .modern greek music has no big difference with the ancient..it's its natural "developement"
theo00013 4 years ago
mesmerizing.
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geeewhiz 4 years ago
In 1976,Suzanne Haik-Vantoura deciphered the ORIGINAL,3000 year old,complete melodies of the Psalms of the Hebrew Bible,to which the sound of this Kinnor Lyre once accompanied!She accomplished this feat,by discovering that the "Te Amim" accents attached to the Hebrew text actually represented hand gestures,denoting both pitch & ornamentaion!These AMAZING melodies,can now be heard on Youtube - see also the fantastic Youtube channel,"teamim"!!
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
The 10 strings of my lyre are tuned:Eb,F,G,Ab(Tonic),Bb,C,D,Eb(Tonic),F,G - it is basically a regular major scale,but with an augmented 4th(eg if it were in the key of F major,the B would be played natural instead of flat).I don't know the ancient Greek name for what this particular mode is called,but to me,it creates a most haunting,dream-like sound...
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
Your video is beatiful and interesting at one time. What is the tuning of your lyre? Thank you very much!
burzorz 4 years ago
That CD entitled "Musique de la Grece Antique" was recorded by a great group of Spanish musicians. A question: can you see similarities between ancient greek music and present day oriental traditions (arabic, coptic, turkish-iranian, indian)? Congrats again.
Nupharluteum 4 years ago
Nupharluteum: at the risk of oversimplification, everyone borrowed from everybody! For example, Arabo-Islamic music was the heir of the ancient Greek, Mesopotamian and Indian music theories, among others.
teamim 4 years ago
Amazing. You've really achieved an ancient, ethereal sound.
Nupharluteum 4 years ago
Do you know if this music is Dorian, Hypolydian, Lydian or myxolydian ?
lapinot21 4 years ago
I always get confused with names of modes - this one is the equivalent intervals formed when starting a scale on F using all the white notes on the piano(ie the 4th is played natural instead of flattened).In medieval times,the same names given to the ancient Greek modes were used to describe entirely different scales - hence my confusion!Youtubers Rakkav or Bouzouki123 may be able to enlighten you further on this point.
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
All right, thanks for your precision, it is just that i've read in a book concerning history of music that all these styles were related with diferent emotions in this time which are not obvious for us, but thanks for playing this music, it is very rare and precious.
lapinot21 4 years ago
For later reference,what would the title of that book happen to be?
caesarshogun 4 years ago
It's a frencho book, called "Histoire de la musique", by Rebatet, but there's only a chapter about greek music (because there's few piece of music wich stayed, about 20 or 30 maximum).
lapinot21 4 years ago
I have finally figuerd it out - it is in the ancient Greek "Hypolydian" mode; the same intervals as a scale of F-F on the white notes of the piano, and so there is an augmented 4th. Confusingly, this scale in mediaeval and modern music theory came to be known as the Lydian mode.
Klezfiddle1 3 years ago
Thanks for your precision.
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Stantzs 4 years ago
Breathtaking,
Fantasic Greek Music.
deezacharo 4 years ago
Wow... Your kithara is very beautiful and it seems really ancient, too!!! In fact I study Ancient Greek and Latin...:o Are there other "You Tube" persons that study these "dead-languages"???
stekde92 4 years ago
Ancient Greek is not a "dead language"! Modern Greek and some topical dialexts in many places in Greece are the same as Ancient Greek with some few differences!
panathas1908 4 years ago
i am Greek and i play music too. i am so proud and glad i find my music roots which happen to be the most ancient, the pioneer.
TheCama 4 years ago
Wow, beautiful. Where did you find the notation? I would love to have a look as I am a Music Student.
Admin022 4 years ago
I'm afraid I don't have the notation - I heard a rendition of this haunting piece on a CD I found on Amazon,"Musique De La Grece Antique".
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
this has probably been mentioned before but is the sounds made when played its natural sound or have up got it amplified.
its really amazing and beautiful!!
i can picture a jewish temple filled with people and burning insence and candles and you just hear this beautiful instrument ringing in the background.
your fantastic!
how long did it take you to learn?
BlackPurpleCasper 4 years ago
I found this amazing Kinnor lyre on Ebay,after being inspired to learn it myself,after hearing the CD"Ancient Echoes;Music from the Time of Jesus & Jersusalem's Second Temple" - it is virtually identical to the ancient Greek Kithara,hence my experimentation in playing ancient Greek music on it.I use an acoustic guitar pickup,with just a hint of reverb for the "etherial" effect!
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
This is beautiful, even though it is totally different to what we're used to in the western world, it has a beautiful ethereal, soothing quality. Great work bringing this pieces back to us!
eltotoX 4 years ago
OMG, your lyre tunes are great!
YoooToobDood 4 years ago
It's astounding, I'm really amazed, congratulations!
Atemporal 4 years ago
The sound is very nice but was it the real music in those former times ?
explorer45 4 years ago
The fragment of melody,cataloged as "Anonymous, Bellermann 97-104",was found inscribed on papyrus - unlike most forms of musical notation from Antiquity,Greek musical notation is totally unambiguous.Give or take the odd glissando/improvisation around the phrases at the end of the melodic fragment,this is exactly as it would have sounded,over 2000 years ago!
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
hey.... is the bridge maybe placed on the natural harmonics with this instrument (I`m building a lyre...and i am thinking on puting the bridge on the harmonics but i don`t know if its enough vibrations there) ...so can you tell me? ...and oh...man REALLY NICE PIECE OF MUSIC!! cool! keep up the good work
dijnnx 4 years ago
Glad you like it:o)The bridge is actually in a quite random position on the lyre...I never even thought about a more scientific approach to its positioning!Do let me know how your own experiments go...
Klezfiddle1 4 years ago
It is really amazing. I want