Ethonol turns fuel to shit. I refuse to use that crap & always buy 98 octane premium instead. The 92 octane with 10% ethanol gets me around 19-22 litres/100Km, while premium 98 octane with 0% ethanol gets me 12-13. Well worth the extra 6-7 cents per litre. It also gives the car more power & runs smoother & cooler. The guy who decided ethanol should be put in fuel should catch gonorrhoea and die.
Cenk is 1000% right here. I hate how we subsidized oil and the Gop will still say they love the "free" market. I'm surprised Coburn was not for it. I usually think of him as an ass kisser for the rich.
@595o what was the percentage of cars that run on mostly ethanol blends? Less than fail percent? LOL Fuck corn and fuck ethanol. You can buy electric cars now, for about the same price of finding an e85 piece of shit.
ethznol is terrible for your car engine, it drops your fuel economy by 5%-10% and it throws off the engine timing which can rob of power and increase engine wear
Ethanol is actually pretty bad for cars. Since gas is an oil, it can't collect moisture. But it can absorb alcohols such as ethanol. And alcohols can absorb water. So its terrible on cars, motorcycles and other vehicles that may have to sit around because water can't be compressed and if that reaches your engine you can blow it
I don't get why there are/were so much support from the politicians for Ethanol companies; that directly screws with oil profits; the oil lobby is one of the biggest one around so how do they allow such an infringement?
@Parralyzed Because they make it from corn, and corn is big in this country. I assume its mostly politicians from farm states that make it pushing it and possibly the occassional other the oil lobby overlooks.
Its not like the oil lobby is unhappy with its benefits from the gov.
Twenty Billion on one portion of the ethanol subsidy and that is just the tip of the iceberg that subsidizes petroleum/auto industry. Yet any time rail infrastructure gets mentioned all you hear is FREE MARKET. Amtrak has gotten 40 billion in its entire history. that is roughly one year of federal gas taxes. no one should wonder why we are falling farther and farther behinf the rest of the world when it comes to public transportation with priorities like that.
I would think 27 years then I distinctively remember hearing about that ethanol stuff when I was a kindegartener ( no joke ). before I even clicked the link , I thought , wait that shit still exists ?
@jwdesign336 it's not meant to make it any "better" and better is relative in this case, depending on what kind of motor you want to have (powerful vs. economic)
major problem about ethanol is in places like Brazil that are producing it in favour of crops, Brazil being one of the major food baskets of the world this is very very bad. With crop production down it'll feed into global food shortages including price increases in the coming years as they continue to ramp up production of ethanol
@Helghastl33t that is why cellulose ethanol is used... They use left over plant parts and wooden plant parts to produce ethanol. but then... electrical cars are disgusting as well... More pressure on the electrical plants
@robinvan1983 not really true! if it were, there wouldn't be a problem with ethanol, but the reality is, more and more fields, formerly used for crops, are used for ethanol-production today! in europe there's many documentaries where they explained this, it's unfortunately affecting poorer nations the most and food prices have already gone up in these areas! instead of corn and beets, they started growing oil-palms, as they use them to make "bio-ethanol". it's really a shame.
I don't get it, if progressives themselves see that we don't have a free market here, then why do you keep criticizing libertarians for our advocacy of free markets? How is it people say capitalism fails and America has proven it if you are fully aware that we never really had capitalism here in the first place? Or at least we got rid of it a long time ago...
@semperFi4ever100 cause subsidies are there also to develop new industries so that it can compete in the free market. Most new technologies like geothermal energy are heavily funded by subsidies to further develop the technology. Other subsidies like with corn, keeps the price low so that other products that use corn can keep their prices low. Nigeria used to subsidize oil because the citizens couldn't afford any for their vehicles
@nilbud Hint: If you wanna troll, don't put 'Provoking morons' in your interest section, that way people will know that you're a troll and disregard your insults.
Do you support leverages buyouts, wracking up massive debt on the company, firing workers, looting pension funds, shortselling when the stocks the highest it will ever be then tanking it to make a fortune?
If you support that you're evil and a capitalist, if you don't then you aren't a capitalist.
That's why capitalism is morally wrong.
"Bain Capitalism" is evil, the people who support it are morally bankrupt
@dffykvn Theres no such thing as a free market, if there was people could charge $1.25/gallon for gas right now but nooooooo those "Captive Market Laws" stop people from being a "Free Entrepreneur".
@dffykvn Good Ron Paul Joke XD ROTF!!! I mean any Ron Paul support who thinks hes honest is one of the funniest things ever. Who bashes on the Civil Rights Act & thinks they're not racist?
They're polite in public then when you're alone with them out pop the jew, black, puerto rican rants.
His stance on lawrence ruling was like saying "While I personally wouldn't jail gays, the federal government is evil for getting in the way of a state that wants to prosecute those fucking queers!"
Rand: I'm not a racist, I just think blacks should know their fucking place!
@dffykvn I've had my fair share of those weaklings as well. This country hick tried to stereotype me in school, but I got back at him when he threaten to call the police on me when I laughed at him at for trying to act tough; I told him go ahead & tell the police what? I'll sue you. Right in front of his girlfriend & he backed down like a little bitch. Everyday I see him, I troll the shit out of him for that lol.
@Bronzecop People who don't need to go out of their way to prove that they aren't racist. He doesn't bash the act, but particular parts of the act that he finds over-reaching of government into the private lives and property of people.
You can call him a racist for that, but it would be the same as being called a terrorist-sympathizer because you have problems with parts of the Patriot Act. You can agree with the sentiment of the act without accepting the layout of it.
@chrlpolk Oh dont like the enforcement of treating certain people fairly in your public shop on the property that you bought? You can always move to Russia, there are no non-whites there (almost). You bet I'm going to call him racist for that, "infringes my property rights" XD LMAO ROTF!!! The Patriot Act? Means nothing to people like me because I have nothing to hide, nor will I ever commit organized crime.
@dffykvn Let me put it this way, I support freedom for everyone to build up his own business and do whatever the hell he likes with it. That's it. Obviously the US isn't that much of a free market, bailouts, corruption and GSEs aren't capitalism, it's corporatism. And yeah, I do hate corporatism.
I'm afraid it is the most economic resource to replace oil and that is why I support it and we need some way to make it more profitable than oil now that's the real challenge.
The government makes a chemical that, when made, a byproduct is produced that we call corn syrup. This was a nice surprise and a whole industry was created around the byproduct. Now we are obese which also suits the Republicans plan. Now if I can just get this tinfoil hat to fit...
@SuperToughnut Not the goverment, Thomas Kingsford. Also if corn syrup makes you obese then the same amount of honey would probably also made you obese as well.
Ethanol is corporate welfare. Next we need to get rid of sugar price supports---all that does is make us pay more to run the program and pay more in sugar prices just so ADM can sell more corn syrup, which would otherwise be too expensive.
yup, the ethanol thing is just a farmer - ethanol producer - politician scam. They all got paid so what do they care? Even though some of those rare ethanol vehicles that run on e85 get half the gas mileage, were supposed to believe it's cleaner. lol
If farmers could grow hemp they wouldn't need to help our politicians scam us all. And we wouldn't need to tear down forests for anything but houses and furniture and grandfather clocks and whatnot. And 4x the co2 removal per acre than forest too.;)
@nilbud cleaner? It gets half the gas mileage and pollutes plenty. What are you a corn farmer or something? So are some of my relatives, and they know it's a sham. Why don't you?
@AMagicalUsername Cleaner in the sense of running with more renewable energy? I guess an argument for this could be made. (although one has to keep in mind that producing the renewable can have hidden non-renewable energy costs)
Look we do need to get serious about the deficit. The way you do that is fixing the tax code and getting rid of these tax loopholes and credits and subsidies. Not all of them but a lot of them are useless. If you do that alone, you could recoup so much of our losses. We also need to get serious about defense
Personally i think bio diesel and a combination of wind and solar are the best ways to cut our dependence on fossil fuels. But I’m also thinking that there need to be a fundamental change in the way we live our lives. This however will not happen unless we are force to. This is why we are heading straight into global warming without even a brief pause or moment of hesitation
I would say the issue isn't that ethanol subsidies are worse or better than oil subsidies, rather that now more taxes are coming in and that the hypocrisy of the government is lessened because they are no longer supporting one drug while jailing people for the use of others. This is a happy day because the government has had a lapse in their support of giant corporations. Nevertheless, fuck everyone in power. Alcohol better not get more expensive.
Ethanol is added to gasoline to make it burn cleaner and improve air standards. They used to use another (cheaper) by product chemical but they discovered it was causing massive ground water contamination in major cities.
The government forced them to switch, they didn't want to because ethanol costs them more. TYT really needs to do some research beforehand. Just makes you look uninformed, they didn't just add it to gasoline for shits and giggles.
You should do your research, 1 gallon of Ethanol requires 9/10 a gallon of gasoline in production.
We have the technology, just not the infrastructure to get off fossil fuels now. What you just regurgitated was pure bullshit, seriously. Look for a way to fix the problem, which we have now, not just a way of making the current system ever so slightly -- to the point its unnoticeable -- better, and advocate for a solution.
So you haven't looked it up have you? Do you understand the process of manufacturing ethanol? The harvest? The transportation? You go a head and do that, then get back to me. Primarily the manufacturing of Ethanol. Because it doesn't just grow out of the ground in ethanol form. But I guess you didn't know that.
@BusinessIDBAI Are you going to answer my question? or are you just going to be a cheesedick & pretend I didnt know those things already? I mean by looking at your name I easily understand why you would hate ethanol lolollololololooolololol.
@Woodawesome Billion makes sense so is most likely what was said, but I replayed it and still thought I heard million (through Cenk's chuckle) so commented.
There is enough wind energy in the great plains alone to generate electricity for almost 1million houses. The "news'' and lobbyist oil companies lied.
why dont we call subsidies what they really are welfare for corporations.... so now I ask why are the repukelicans NOT against welfare for corporations but against welfare for the poor? Now imagine all the subsidies would end and that money reinvested in the people universal healthcare would and could be paid for... but noooolets use our tax dollars to help the maga rich get more rich while you and I have to work our asses off with no chance of seeing a doctor.
The problem is that Ethanol is not a real green energy (at least, corn ethanol). It actually takes more energy to grow the corn than we get out of it. Now there ARE plants that can be an efficient source of ethanol, which are NOT being subsidized.... once you realize this, you realize that the corn ethanol subsidies are not truly an alternative energy subsidy, they are just another empty subsidy to big agriculture companies.
@DarkSunGod You did a good think to specified "corn ethanol" because if it's ethanol from sugar cane or hemp, which we produce and eat too much or have ban of production, it could be somewhat green... If it's ethanol from the waste of wood carving that is re-use, or plant and sugary waste from restaurant, now that's green from green.
However, I don't know how to do the second idea cheaply while producing enough ethanol that we could replace the petrol engines...
@DarkSunGod Plants like HEMP - which is the FASTEST GROWING YEARLONG PLANT - would be MUCH better!
Growing HEMP on just 7% of Europe's FALLOW LAND, would produce energy for ALL cars in Europe!
Imagine what the US could achieve; you could get so much with so little effort. It is a SHAME that politicians throughout the world utterly IGNORE THE FACTS. we ALL could live in a "green" world, WITHOUT HUNGER - if hemp weren't bedeviled! And that's only one issue, when HEMP COULD HELP MUCH MORE!
@katsumorymoto not that i want to piss on your dreams, but while such cars might exist, you sure as hell won'*t find them driving around in europe! and i am from germany, btw. ;)
nevertheless, what you do will find here are LOTS OF smart cars and a ton of cars that go 100 kilometers with 3 liters (that'd be 62 miles / 0.79 gallon). as innovative such "compressed-air-cars" etc. are, they still are years away from serial production! green-energy is one of few fields where europe's ahead of the US
@m0rbusPolytox Heh, bought myself a Volkswagen Golf BM which pumps out around 69/70 mp/g over the holidays,
Ireland is pretty behind on the innovation front in terms of Green Energy despite the former coalition between the Greens/RepublicanConservatives. We only have about 11% Renewable energy but aim for about 20% by 2020 vs My native home of New Zealand which pumps out 79% Renewable energy with 90% aimed for by 2020.
@595o fallow land - that should be land, that was used for agriculture, but is not anymore?
that's what i intended to say and it's what my dictionary said it was - wasn't i right?
if you only asked because you didn't know if hemp could grow on such land, i can assure you it would. HEMP does not take much to grow. it is a very frugal plant - and, that's another great point - it is great for fields, meaning it "repairs" soil!
in olden times it was planted regularly for this purpose.
@Bauks we could also make clothes from it and use it for medical purpose. On top of that we could smoke it if we want to, just for our own personal pleasure.
@haveahorst In 1941 Henry Ford Made a Car With body Panels Made From Hemp It was also Intended to run on hemp ethanol. You can Use it to Build houses (Hempcrete) "Canvas" From the Latin Cannabis. It is used to produce more than 5000 textile products ranging from rope to fine laces, and the woody "hurds" remaining after the fiber has been removed contain more than seventy-seven per cent cellulose and can be used to produce more than 25000 products ranging from dynamite to Cellophane.
Ethanol takes away the amount of food we can provide people. Producing that corn most likely amounts to just as much carbon emissions and energy usage. Free energy is the way to go. Now only if people would stop suppressing it to make money in oil and all that other garbage.
Ethanol is a looser strategy in so many areas. Corn lobby is strong, that is the only reason ethanol gets $. The system is fucker in every hole and majority does not seem to care.
@robinvan1983 It could also come from straw and corn stover, BUT IT DOESN'T. In the real world it is only comming from sugars and starches.
Waste biomass is an illusion. Monoculture wheat, corn, soy and other annual grains combined with tilling are very harsh on the soil. That "waste" biomass needs to be plowed back into the soil or you will only be mining the top soil.
For some crops you can take a little, maybe, but that doesn't scale.
30 years...$20 billion...who gives a fuck? really, who? don't we have like a $16 trillion dollar debt? in other news: senators must bring their own coffee to morning meetings! crisis averted!
Dunno, isn't it better to have subsidies to a clean energy source than to Oil? Also, is it fair that Ethanol looses subsidies and Oil does not? They are basically competing products...
@algumacoisaqq the ethanol is made from plants grown with oil based fertilizers, it has to be transported with oil based vehicles to factories powered by electricity/fossil fuels. for every ten units of energy put into making ethanol one comes out. ethanol is NOT a clean energy source.
@GeatMaster that isn't true, it is highly dependent what you use to produce ethanol. sugarbeet: 1 litre gives 8 litre fuel. and celluose ethanol can be better than that
@robinvan1983 the subsidies are going to US producers, which are 97% from corn, which is what i was referring to. Where are these beats grown by the by? if i remember right the plan for sugarcane ethanol was to burn down the amazon to grow sugarcane there which was somehow supposed to help the environment
@GeatMaster but you also have sustainable sugercane farms that didn't burn down extra amazon... and cellulose ethanol used any plant material.. even more wooden material.. so any non-usable plant material can be used
@algumacoisaqq ethanol is a scam, sure its a bit cleaner but then you take away food from the market to replace it with oil (since it becomes more profitable for farmers to sell it as ethanol)
i do agree that oil subsidies should be removed aswell and Cenk has been pushing for that 2....but you cant have everything in one go
@algumacoisaqq Gov't isn't buying up oil to keep prices high like they did with ethanol. They are not competing products. Cenk finally got something right.
@algumacoisaqq Ethanol isn't exactly clean, and it requires more power to produce ethanol and ethanol itself produces.
If the US wanted to move away from oil, they need to look to nuclear, solar and wind and the use of hydrogen cars. However, this would take trillions to make the change in infrastructure.
@SereneSatellites Seems like someones working for the fossil fuels corporations XD LMAO!!! Ethanol from Canola & Cambilla produces more toxic emissions than unleaded gasoline & it costs more to produce? Are you trying to make people laugh? Because its working on me ROTF!!!!
@Bronzecop How retarded are you? I never said it created more pollution. I said it isn't clean, and I said it costs more power to produce ethanol than ethanol is worth, but yet it also costs more than fossil fuels. Ethanol also taps in to our own food supply.
How do you get this shit that I'm working for some company like EXXON? I just said we need to switch to hydrogen cars. You're so obnoxiously stupid, I just want to fucking drown you.
@SereneSatellites I wish you can hear my laugh right now, you're the retard being paid to say this shit. Oh yes, just cutting the grass that grows in the wild that you can make ethanol out of costs way more than refining crude oil XD LMAO ROTF!!! Oh yes paying those farmers to "not" grow food & have them grow produce for ethanol will really cut into our food supply, do you really think I live under a rock? GOD DAMN LMAO! Look at your business mindet, put in the more expensive hydrogen fuel lol.
@Bronzecop Ethanol is simply alcohol, and you get alcohol by fermenting vegetables and fruits. Yes, it does cut in to our own food supply. Yes, ethanol still does cause pollution. Yes, it costs more power to produce ethanol than ethanol itself produces. Ethanol is grossly inefficient. It isn't a suitable alternative.
Hydrogen cells are only costly because they aren't mass produced. They also provide 0 emissions and last far longer than a tank of gas. It's far more efficient than oil.
@SereneSatellites If I had a ethanol compatible car & knew how to make my own moon shine, I'd never be hurtin on gas. Keep reading you business manual, its not working on me lol. But still its funny.
Ah, sorry, had no idea. My account was that all Carbon that the plant uses for the crops that will turn eventually into Ethanol was from the atmosphere, but I hadn't accounted for the actually Gas used in the production of Ethanol. Makes sense then, thanks.
@algumacoisaqq Well you're thinking rationally and about people. The ones making these large scale business moves are thinking about the money that will go in their bank score card for who has the most money.
No they aren't. Ethanol is worthless. Why aren't we looking at hydrogen which is completely free of fossil fuel dependency?
By the way, every gallon of Ethanol produced requires the usage of 9/10ths a gallon of gasoline. So, really, its saving 1/10 of a gallon of gas, and only makes up 1/10 of a gallon of gas at the pump.
P.S, if your engine isn't made for it, it destroys it. Clean energy source and competing product my ass. Get rid of both the subsidies, fund hydrogen.
@BusinessIDBAI My understanding is that most hydrogen is made from cracking water, which requires a lot of energy. Probably derived from fossil fuels. Ouch.
@BusinessIDBAI Hmm, did not know that. I guess the subsidies are way to high, for a product that should not exist at all (based on your info). Also, I'm assuming you mean Corn Ethanol, since USA can't grow sugar cane crops very well... dunno what the ratio on Sugar Cane would be.
I would note, however, that here in Brazil, even though we produce a lot of Ethanol, it is a lot more expansive to use Ethanol than Gasoline, for some reason. Probably because the Ethanol is getting exported, I dunno.
@algumacoisaqq Ethanol is still crap. It still pollutes. So instead of having a pollutant that will eventually run out, we have one that is practically permanent. Seems worse to me if not for any other reason, for that alone.
@crackerkiller89 You are accounting for burnt Ethanol into CO2, but the Crops need CO2 to grow, so in theory every CO2 from Ethanol comes from the air anyway, so in this sense we could consider it clean. That is not, However, accounting for the other production costs of Ethanol. As people have pointed out, if you need Gas to produce/transport Ethanol, than it is not all that clean anymore.
@algumacoisaqq Ethanol burned by itself is clean: the net reaction is light -> heat. However, when it's blended with gasoline, it reduces mileage, possibly increases smog production, and damages engines. An internal combustion engine can be optimized to run on gasoline or ethanol alone, among other fuels, but a blend screws things up.
How much subsidies do geothermal, tidal, eolic, solar enery get? Probalby 0, because it is renewable so profit cannot be made by its creation and distribution.
@giancarlo3000 For currently installed solar PV Germany has committed to pay ~€60 billion in feed in tariffs. The installed capacity of solar produces on average as much energy as two medium-sized nuclear reactors and mostly in the summer, when they don't really need it.
@wargarurumon No, it is not better than oil. Corn ethanol is simply greenwashing natural gas, a close cousin of oil, while depleting the top soil, draining acquifers and adding to eutrophication.
@wargarurumon It IS regular agriculture. There is nothing special about the corn grown for ethanol.
You get all the ills of agriculture, except worse, since when you're forcing more agriculture onto _marginal_ land. Marginal land is land that is for some reason not very suitable for agriculture, such as access to fresh water, or it could be something like a rain forest(which is being slashed and burned to grow soy).
@wargarurumon Ethanol is worse than gasoline, it takes more gasoline to make ethanol than it will save. It costs gas to make it, transport it, all that. We need to leave ethanol completely.
COOL ,So lets spend the $20billion on Saudi oil,,, Your an idiot ugyer
invaliduser1000 1 month ago
I noticed Barack Obama is starting to sound a lot more progressive lately. Now I see why. Hopefully all of this does keep up. I agree with Cenk 150%.
terrelya83 1 month ago in playlist The Young Turks Show January 9, 2012
Ethonol turns fuel to shit. I refuse to use that crap & always buy 98 octane premium instead. The 92 octane with 10% ethanol gets me around 19-22 litres/100Km, while premium 98 octane with 0% ethanol gets me 12-13. Well worth the extra 6-7 cents per litre. It also gives the car more power & runs smoother & cooler. The guy who decided ethanol should be put in fuel should catch gonorrhoea and die.
tvsinesperanto 1 month ago 5
ALL government subsidies need to end. This doesn't even stop a small fraction of the wealth that is squandered by government.
Houshalter 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Cenk is 1000% right here. I hate how we subsidized oil and the Gop will still say they love the "free" market. I'm surprised Coburn was not for it. I usually think of him as an ass kisser for the rich.
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@595o what was the percentage of cars that run on mostly ethanol blends? Less than fail percent? LOL Fuck corn and fuck ethanol. You can buy electric cars now, for about the same price of finding an e85 piece of shit.
AMagicalUsername 1 month ago
This is Keynesian economics at work! It takes more fossil fuels to produce it than energy it provides!
How is it any different than any other energy subsidy the congress doles out?
They pumped millions into Solyndra, they went bankrupt and workers came one day to find it boarded up.
Who suffered more, the workers or Solyndra's CEO's?
VictoryCough 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Tariffs subsidies and tax breaks, welcome to free market capitalism.
hamnose 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
ethznol is terrible for your car engine, it drops your fuel economy by 5%-10% and it throws off the engine timing which can rob of power and increase engine wear
dalm8n7 1 month ago
@dalm8n7 Of course it's bad for your car if your car isn't made to run on it. Try throwing diesel in there, it won't even sputter.
ethanj454 1 month ago
Ethanol is actually pretty bad for cars. Since gas is an oil, it can't collect moisture. But it can absorb alcohols such as ethanol. And alcohols can absorb water. So its terrible on cars, motorcycles and other vehicles that may have to sit around because water can't be compressed and if that reaches your engine you can blow it
MrLewisTan 1 month ago
I don't get why there are/were so much support from the politicians for Ethanol companies; that directly screws with oil profits; the oil lobby is one of the biggest one around so how do they allow such an infringement?
Parralyzed 1 month ago
@Parralyzed Because they make it from corn, and corn is big in this country. I assume its mostly politicians from farm states that make it pushing it and possibly the occassional other the oil lobby overlooks.
Its not like the oil lobby is unhappy with its benefits from the gov.
waltermh111 1 month ago
@waltermh111 yeah that makes sense, thanks
Parralyzed 1 month ago
I hope you enjoy higher prices at the gas pump
Laughingblades 1 month ago
Twenty Billion on one portion of the ethanol subsidy and that is just the tip of the iceberg that subsidizes petroleum/auto industry. Yet any time rail infrastructure gets mentioned all you hear is FREE MARKET. Amtrak has gotten 40 billion in its entire history. that is roughly one year of federal gas taxes. no one should wonder why we are falling farther and farther behinf the rest of the world when it comes to public transportation with priorities like that.
finerbiner 1 month ago
20 billion over 20 years? Oil companies laugh at such a low number
strongback 1 month ago 63
I would think 27 years then I distinctively remember hearing about that ethanol stuff when I was a kindegartener ( no joke ). before I even clicked the link , I thought , wait that shit still exists ?
cannoir 1 month ago
@strongback The oil companies own the majority of the ethanol companies.
ethanj454 1 month ago
The government shouldn't decide what type of alternative fuel will win.
JCiznum1 1 month ago
@JCiznum1 Who do you think gets to decide that, by the way?
TheMidwestAtheist 1 month ago in playlist The Young Turks Show January 9, 2012
"Free market economics!"
"Let the market decide!"
"Keep government out of the market and let the INVISIBLE HAND (God or THE Market?) do its thing!"
(***mumble mumble*** and subsidize everything our buddies own ***mumble***)
leptonsoup337 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks 80
it may be a conspiracy, but I read that ethanol doesn't make gas any better, but actually worse. I hear that pure acetone stretches it out more.
jwdesign336 1 month ago
@jwdesign336 it's not meant to make it any "better" and better is relative in this case, depending on what kind of motor you want to have (powerful vs. economic)
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595o 1 month ago
major problem about ethanol is in places like Brazil that are producing it in favour of crops, Brazil being one of the major food baskets of the world this is very very bad. With crop production down it'll feed into global food shortages including price increases in the coming years as they continue to ramp up production of ethanol
mutley2209 1 month ago
Using food crops to power cars in a world where at least a billion people are starving is disgusting.
Helghastl33t 1 month ago
@Helghastl33t that is why cellulose ethanol is used... They use left over plant parts and wooden plant parts to produce ethanol. but then... electrical cars are disgusting as well... More pressure on the electrical plants
robinvan1983 1 month ago
@robinvan1983 not really true! if it were, there wouldn't be a problem with ethanol, but the reality is, more and more fields, formerly used for crops, are used for ethanol-production today! in europe there's many documentaries where they explained this, it's unfortunately affecting poorer nations the most and food prices have already gone up in these areas! instead of corn and beets, they started growing oil-palms, as they use them to make "bio-ethanol". it's really a shame.
m0rbusPolytox 1 month ago
@m0rbusPolytox that because pilot plants with cellulose ethonal started last year
robinvan1983 1 month ago
@Helghastl33t using non-food plants would make it any better?
595o 1 month ago
I don't get it, if progressives themselves see that we don't have a free market here, then why do you keep criticizing libertarians for our advocacy of free markets? How is it people say capitalism fails and America has proven it if you are fully aware that we never really had capitalism here in the first place? Or at least we got rid of it a long time ago...
semperFi4ever100 1 month ago
@semperFi4ever100 cause subsidies are there also to develop new industries so that it can compete in the free market. Most new technologies like geothermal energy are heavily funded by subsidies to further develop the technology. Other subsidies like with corn, keeps the price low so that other products that use corn can keep their prices low. Nigeria used to subsidize oil because the citizens couldn't afford any for their vehicles
robinvan1983 1 month ago
@semperFi4ever100 You dumb illiterate fuck.
nilbud 1 month ago
@nilbud Hint: If you wanna troll, don't put 'Provoking morons' in your interest section, that way people will know that you're a troll and disregard your insults.
semperFi4ever100 1 month ago
@semperFi4ever100 The free market is evil
Do you support leverages buyouts, wracking up massive debt on the company, firing workers, looting pension funds, shortselling when the stocks the highest it will ever be then tanking it to make a fortune?
If you support that you're evil and a capitalist, if you don't then you aren't a capitalist.
That's why capitalism is morally wrong.
"Bain Capitalism" is evil, the people who support it are morally bankrupt
dffykvn 1 month ago
@dffykvn Theres no such thing as a free market, if there was people could charge $1.25/gallon for gas right now but nooooooo those "Captive Market Laws" stop people from being a "Free Entrepreneur".
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@Bronzecop If there weren't minimum wage laws janitors would be making a hundred dollars an hour
I'm as honest as Ron Paul when he lied about not letting people who couldn't afford care die :P
dffykvn 1 month ago
@dffykvn Good Ron Paul Joke XD ROTF!!! I mean any Ron Paul support who thinks hes honest is one of the funniest things ever. Who bashes on the Civil Rights Act & thinks they're not racist?
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@Bronzecop I know a lot of guys like that
They're polite in public then when you're alone with them out pop the jew, black, puerto rican rants.
His stance on lawrence ruling was like saying "While I personally wouldn't jail gays, the federal government is evil for getting in the way of a state that wants to prosecute those fucking queers!"
Rand: I'm not a racist, I just think blacks should know their fucking place!
dffykvn 1 month ago
@dffykvn I've had my fair share of those weaklings as well. This country hick tried to stereotype me in school, but I got back at him when he threaten to call the police on me when I laughed at him at for trying to act tough; I told him go ahead & tell the police what? I'll sue you. Right in front of his girlfriend & he backed down like a little bitch. Everyday I see him, I troll the shit out of him for that lol.
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@Bronzecop People who don't need to go out of their way to prove that they aren't racist. He doesn't bash the act, but particular parts of the act that he finds over-reaching of government into the private lives and property of people.
You can call him a racist for that, but it would be the same as being called a terrorist-sympathizer because you have problems with parts of the Patriot Act. You can agree with the sentiment of the act without accepting the layout of it.
chrlpolk 1 month ago
@chrlpolk Oh dont like the enforcement of treating certain people fairly in your public shop on the property that you bought? You can always move to Russia, there are no non-whites there (almost). You bet I'm going to call him racist for that, "infringes my property rights" XD LMAO ROTF!!! The Patriot Act? Means nothing to people like me because I have nothing to hide, nor will I ever commit organized crime.
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@dffykvn Let me put it this way, I support freedom for everyone to build up his own business and do whatever the hell he likes with it. That's it. Obviously the US isn't that much of a free market, bailouts, corruption and GSEs aren't capitalism, it's corporatism. And yeah, I do hate corporatism.
semperFi4ever100 1 month ago
We pay them to grow the corn.
We pay them to make it into fuel.
corporate socialism?
TruthAndMoreTruth 1 month ago
@TruthAndMoreTruth "corporate socialism?"
That word makes not much sense in that regard, more appropriate would be "state-sponsored market bending"
595o 1 month ago
See? You give a little, you take a little.
Now if only the other companies could give in atleast half of what they have and we would already see a big improvement.
Clanki 1 month ago
This is also LEFT OVER COLD WAR crap. To keep USA Farm Land capable of instantly producing crops in case of imports get cut off.
moto2kx2 1 month ago
@moto2kx2 I've never heard this one before and I am not sure this might be true, because this way you also have more farm land that needs to rest.
595o 1 month ago
President Sarah Palin WILL put a complete END to ethanol subsidies and PROVE that ethanol is an EPIC FAIL!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 month ago
@ecwaufisxtreme lawl
CssAfc 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@ecwaufisxtreme She's dead, blew her head off last night.
nilbud 1 month ago
I'm afraid it is the most economic resource to replace oil and that is why I support it and we need some way to make it more profitable than oil now that's the real challenge.
razoreye001 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
The government makes a chemical that, when made, a byproduct is produced that we call corn syrup. This was a nice surprise and a whole industry was created around the byproduct. Now we are obese which also suits the Republicans plan. Now if I can just get this tinfoil hat to fit...
SuperToughnut 1 month ago
@SuperToughnut Not the goverment, Thomas Kingsford. Also if corn syrup makes you obese then the same amount of honey would probably also made you obese as well.
595o 1 month ago
Ethanol is corporate welfare. Next we need to get rid of sugar price supports---all that does is make us pay more to run the program and pay more in sugar prices just so ADM can sell more corn syrup, which would otherwise be too expensive.
eatmorenachos 1 month ago
20 billion over 30 years is nothing. 667 million per year? Come on.
SmashActionRemix 1 month ago
yup, the ethanol thing is just a farmer - ethanol producer - politician scam. They all got paid so what do they care? Even though some of those rare ethanol vehicles that run on e85 get half the gas mileage, were supposed to believe it's cleaner. lol
If farmers could grow hemp they wouldn't need to help our politicians scam us all. And we wouldn't need to tear down forests for anything but houses and furniture and grandfather clocks and whatnot. And 4x the co2 removal per acre than forest too.;)
AMagicalUsername 1 month ago
@AMagicalUsername It is cleaner, your incomprehension isn't insight.
nilbud 1 month ago
@nilbud cleaner? It gets half the gas mileage and pollutes plenty. What are you a corn farmer or something? So are some of my relatives, and they know it's a sham. Why don't you?
AMagicalUsername 1 month ago
@AMagicalUsername Cleaner in the sense of running with more renewable energy? I guess an argument for this could be made. (although one has to keep in mind that producing the renewable can have hidden non-renewable energy costs)
595o 1 month ago
@595o renewable? LOL Until I see the exhaust gases being reused it's not renewable.
AMagicalUsername 1 month ago
@AMagicalUsername You want to see the CO2 cycle in action?
595o 1 month ago
Can we move on to renewable energy now?
biggydx 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
For anyone who is interested
There's an amazing documentary that exposes Corn in modern America
Lookup "King Corn" in Youtube for the trailer
Well Worth Viewing
Cheers Luke
songcovers 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
ethanol works for Brazil because they use cane....we have to use corn which makes it very inefficient MAJOR FAIL
rosskstar 1 month ago
Ethanol Subs, are only a way to sub the farms of corn, corn ethanol is very inefficient
willwork4liberty 1 month ago
Look we do need to get serious about the deficit. The way you do that is fixing the tax code and getting rid of these tax loopholes and credits and subsidies. Not all of them but a lot of them are useless. If you do that alone, you could recoup so much of our losses. We also need to get serious about defense
bluesboy25000 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Personally i think bio diesel and a combination of wind and solar are the best ways to cut our dependence on fossil fuels. But I’m also thinking that there need to be a fundamental change in the way we live our lives. This however will not happen unless we are force to. This is why we are heading straight into global warming without even a brief pause or moment of hesitation
ridimwave 1 month ago
Yes now I don't have to worry were I get my gas that shit fucks ur cars up bad no lie
TheKillerbear420 1 month ago
@TheKillerbear420 Only if your car engine is half diesel. ;-)
595o 1 month ago
Cut here cut there. But they still want a war with Iran. No matter what America do, they'll still going bankcrupt soon unless they stop all the wars.
Jimipedia 1 month ago
I would say the issue isn't that ethanol subsidies are worse or better than oil subsidies, rather that now more taxes are coming in and that the hypocrisy of the government is lessened because they are no longer supporting one drug while jailing people for the use of others. This is a happy day because the government has had a lapse in their support of giant corporations. Nevertheless, fuck everyone in power. Alcohol better not get more expensive.
ErectileFunk 1 month ago
GROW MORE POT
halfzombiehalfrobot 1 month ago
Twenty-billion dollars over three decades! That's two dollars per American! Outrageous!
JEFF9K 1 month ago
here's what they said of Ethanol:
it would lower the price of gas, it didn't
it would make farmers more profitable, as if they weren't profitable enough.
Zeldagigafan90210 1 month ago
@Zeldagigafan90210 Farming is very profitable? I doubt it, at least on the small scale without subsidies that has seldom been the case.
595o 1 month ago
Ethanol is added to gasoline to make it burn cleaner and improve air standards. They used to use another (cheaper) by product chemical but they discovered it was causing massive ground water contamination in major cities.
The government forced them to switch, they didn't want to because ethanol costs them more. TYT really needs to do some research beforehand. Just makes you look uninformed, they didn't just add it to gasoline for shits and giggles.
Xenite227 1 month ago
@Xenite227
You should do your research, 1 gallon of Ethanol requires 9/10 a gallon of gasoline in production.
We have the technology, just not the infrastructure to get off fossil fuels now. What you just regurgitated was pure bullshit, seriously. Look for a way to fix the problem, which we have now, not just a way of making the current system ever so slightly -- to the point its unnoticeable -- better, and advocate for a solution.
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@BusinessIDBAI I'm interested, for which plant for it to take 9/10ths of a gallon of gas to produce it?
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@Bronzecop
So you haven't looked it up have you? Do you understand the process of manufacturing ethanol? The harvest? The transportation? You go a head and do that, then get back to me. Primarily the manufacturing of Ethanol. Because it doesn't just grow out of the ground in ethanol form. But I guess you didn't know that.
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@BusinessIDBAI Are you going to answer my question? or are you just going to be a cheesedick & pretend I didnt know those things already? I mean by looking at your name I easily understand why you would hate ethanol lolollololololooolololol.
Bronzecop 1 month ago
Great the subsidies are over, but truly $20 million over 30 years is barely even a drop in the bucket.
kimmiesoo 1 month ago
@kimmiesoo billion.
Woodawesome 1 month ago
@Woodawesome Billion makes sense so is most likely what was said, but I replayed it and still thought I heard million (through Cenk's chuckle) so commented.
kimmiesoo 1 month ago
Ethanol sucks ass, regular unleaded FTW
KingofTheMafia 1 month ago
Their's a Batman 'O
CrisKG125 1 month ago
There is enough wind energy in the great plains alone to generate electricity for almost 1million houses. The "news'' and lobbyist oil companies lied.
chimcharstar 1 month ago
Subsidies should only be given to educational and research causes... Or else you can't call it a free market...
TheHaloHax 1 month ago
why dont we call subsidies what they really are welfare for corporations.... so now I ask why are the repukelicans NOT against welfare for corporations but against welfare for the poor? Now imagine all the subsidies would end and that money reinvested in the people universal healthcare would and could be paid for... but noooolets use our tax dollars to help the maga rich get more rich while you and I have to work our asses off with no chance of seeing a doctor.
BlackMambakins 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Ethanol is one of the many scams taking place in this profit loving world :[
SturmMedik 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
It takes more energy (oil) to make and ship ethanol, than you get out if it
thetechgeneration 1 month ago
@thetechgeneration No. It takes almost as much energy to make corn ethanol as you get out of it and it is not oil, it is mostly gas.
soylentgreenb 1 month ago
The problem is that Ethanol is not a real green energy (at least, corn ethanol). It actually takes more energy to grow the corn than we get out of it. Now there ARE plants that can be an efficient source of ethanol, which are NOT being subsidized.... once you realize this, you realize that the corn ethanol subsidies are not truly an alternative energy subsidy, they are just another empty subsidy to big agriculture companies.
DarkSunGod 1 month ago 64
@DarkSunGod You did a good think to specified "corn ethanol" because if it's ethanol from sugar cane or hemp, which we produce and eat too much or have ban of production, it could be somewhat green... If it's ethanol from the waste of wood carving that is re-use, or plant and sugary waste from restaurant, now that's green from green.
However, I don't know how to do the second idea cheaply while producing enough ethanol that we could replace the petrol engines...
therrydicule 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@DarkSunGod Plants like HEMP - which is the FASTEST GROWING YEARLONG PLANT - would be MUCH better!
Growing HEMP on just 7% of Europe's FALLOW LAND, would produce energy for ALL cars in Europe!
Imagine what the US could achieve; you could get so much with so little effort. It is a SHAME that politicians throughout the world utterly IGNORE THE FACTS. we ALL could live in a "green" world, WITHOUT HUNGER - if hemp weren't bedeviled! And that's only one issue, when HEMP COULD HELP MUCH MORE!
m0rbusPolytox 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@m0rbusPolytox they have cars in europe that literally run off CHEAP compressed air. and they go pretty damn fast too. also:
N-Machine, Lutec Device, Aquygen Welder, Pantone Carburetor ..
katsumorymoto 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@katsumorymoto not that i want to piss on your dreams, but while such cars might exist, you sure as hell won'*t find them driving around in europe! and i am from germany, btw. ;)
nevertheless, what you do will find here are LOTS OF smart cars and a ton of cars that go 100 kilometers with 3 liters (that'd be 62 miles / 0.79 gallon). as innovative such "compressed-air-cars" etc. are, they still are years away from serial production! green-energy is one of few fields where europe's ahead of the US
m0rbusPolytox 1 month ago
@m0rbusPolytox Heh, bought myself a Volkswagen Golf BM which pumps out around 69/70 mp/g over the holidays,
Ireland is pretty behind on the innovation front in terms of Green Energy despite the former coalition between the Greens/RepublicanConservatives. We only have about 11% Renewable energy but aim for about 20% by 2020 vs My native home of New Zealand which pumps out 79% Renewable energy with 90% aimed for by 2020.
TheAsymmetrical 1 month ago
@m0rbusPolytox hemp grows on fallow land?
595o 1 month ago
@595o fallow land - that should be land, that was used for agriculture, but is not anymore?
that's what i intended to say and it's what my dictionary said it was - wasn't i right?
if you only asked because you didn't know if hemp could grow on such land, i can assure you it would. HEMP does not take much to grow. it is a very frugal plant - and, that's another great point - it is great for fields, meaning it "repairs" soil!
in olden times it was planted regularly for this purpose.
m0rbusPolytox 1 month ago
They should pay us back since they are so happy
TruthatCearcie 1 month ago
people think that corn is the only source of making Bio ethanol. While sugarcane/beets provide the most energy. 1:8... cellulose even more...
robinvan1983 1 month ago
Ethanol won't be powering anything, until it's made from hemp again.
Bauks 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks 44
@Bauks Gonna have to do that yourself dont depend on the people with money to do it.
PharaohII 1 month ago
@Bauks we could also make clothes from it and use it for medical purpose. On top of that we could smoke it if we want to, just for our own personal pleasure.
haveahorst 1 month ago
@haveahorst In 1941 Henry Ford Made a Car With body Panels Made From Hemp It was also Intended to run on hemp ethanol. You can Use it to Build houses (Hempcrete) "Canvas" From the Latin Cannabis. It is used to produce more than 5000 textile products ranging from rope to fine laces, and the woody "hurds" remaining after the fiber has been removed contain more than seventy-seven per cent cellulose and can be used to produce more than 25000 products ranging from dynamite to Cellophane.
Bauks 1 month ago
Ethanol takes away the amount of food we can provide people. Producing that corn most likely amounts to just as much carbon emissions and energy usage. Free energy is the way to go. Now only if people would stop suppressing it to make money in oil and all that other garbage.
SSiadat187 1 month ago
Eletric cars, we don't need gasoline on cars save the oil for the heavy machinary where it is needed.
ffdssdfgcbg 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@ffdssdfgcbg you do know where electricity comes from? usually from coal plants...with electric cares more electric plants needs to be built
robinvan1983 1 month ago
Step 1:Give money to people, who have a lot of money.
Step 2.???
Step3:Profit....I guess?
ILolAtYourDemise 1 month ago
Why can't something good ever happen without a "sort of" after? Oh right because Democrats are SPINELESS
rjbonacolta 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
The wealthy large landowners and feudal lords sitting and ranting about "free market" while cashing in on the corruption and subventions.
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What a great faith in capitalism these capitalists have!
underbjorn 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Someone in Brazil is smiling now :D
Brazilian Ethanol is both better and worse.
I vote Thorium Nuclear. Corn Ethanol is silly.
Harizl 1 month ago
Still a lot of chatter in the background. That's really disrespectful.
jimeldestroyer 1 month ago
Ethanol is a looser strategy in so many areas. Corn lobby is strong, that is the only reason ethanol gets $. The system is fucker in every hole and majority does not seem to care.
vmorgun 1 month ago
@vmorgun Bio ethanol isn't only made from corn. It can also come from straw, waste of plants and biomass
robinvan1983 1 month ago
@robinvan1983 It could also come from straw and corn stover, BUT IT DOESN'T. In the real world it is only comming from sugars and starches.
Waste biomass is an illusion. Monoculture wheat, corn, soy and other annual grains combined with tilling are very harsh on the soil. That "waste" biomass needs to be plowed back into the soil or you will only be mining the top soil.
For some crops you can take a little, maybe, but that doesn't scale.
soylentgreenb 1 month ago
no subsidies.... PERIOD
BrokenCapo 1 month ago
30 years...$20 billion...who gives a fuck? really, who? don't we have like a $16 trillion dollar debt? in other news: senators must bring their own coffee to morning meetings! crisis averted!
DannyEmbry 1 month ago
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DannyEmbry 1 month ago
ummm better than oil subidies? shouldn't u be supporting more clean energies?
LazFire91 1 month ago
Dunno, isn't it better to have subsidies to a clean energy source than to Oil? Also, is it fair that Ethanol looses subsidies and Oil does not? They are basically competing products...
algumacoisaqq 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos 46
@algumacoisaqq Ethanol is horrible for the environment.
Nemesis000000 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq the ethanol is made from plants grown with oil based fertilizers, it has to be transported with oil based vehicles to factories powered by electricity/fossil fuels. for every ten units of energy put into making ethanol one comes out. ethanol is NOT a clean energy source.
GeatMaster 1 month ago
@GeatMaster that isn't true, it is highly dependent what you use to produce ethanol. sugarbeet: 1 litre gives 8 litre fuel. and celluose ethanol can be better than that
robinvan1983 1 month ago
@robinvan1983 the subsidies are going to US producers, which are 97% from corn, which is what i was referring to. Where are these beats grown by the by? if i remember right the plan for sugarcane ethanol was to burn down the amazon to grow sugarcane there which was somehow supposed to help the environment
GeatMaster 1 month ago
@GeatMaster but you also have sustainable sugercane farms that didn't burn down extra amazon... and cellulose ethanol used any plant material.. even more wooden material.. so any non-usable plant material can be used
robinvan1983 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq ethanol is a scam, sure its a bit cleaner but then you take away food from the market to replace it with oil (since it becomes more profitable for farmers to sell it as ethanol)
i do agree that oil subsidies should be removed aswell and Cenk has been pushing for that 2....but you cant have everything in one go
BoredLikeHelI 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq Gov't isn't buying up oil to keep prices high like they did with ethanol. They are not competing products. Cenk finally got something right.
TheGoodFight916 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq Ethanol isn't exactly clean, and it requires more power to produce ethanol and ethanol itself produces.
If the US wanted to move away from oil, they need to look to nuclear, solar and wind and the use of hydrogen cars. However, this would take trillions to make the change in infrastructure.
SereneSatellites 1 month ago
@SereneSatellites Seems like someones working for the fossil fuels corporations XD LMAO!!! Ethanol from Canola & Cambilla produces more toxic emissions than unleaded gasoline & it costs more to produce? Are you trying to make people laugh? Because its working on me ROTF!!!!
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@Bronzecop How retarded are you? I never said it created more pollution. I said it isn't clean, and I said it costs more power to produce ethanol than ethanol is worth, but yet it also costs more than fossil fuels. Ethanol also taps in to our own food supply.
How do you get this shit that I'm working for some company like EXXON? I just said we need to switch to hydrogen cars. You're so obnoxiously stupid, I just want to fucking drown you.
SereneSatellites 1 month ago
@SereneSatellites I wish you can hear my laugh right now, you're the retard being paid to say this shit. Oh yes, just cutting the grass that grows in the wild that you can make ethanol out of costs way more than refining crude oil XD LMAO ROTF!!! Oh yes paying those farmers to "not" grow food & have them grow produce for ethanol will really cut into our food supply, do you really think I live under a rock? GOD DAMN LMAO! Look at your business mindet, put in the more expensive hydrogen fuel lol.
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@Bronzecop Ethanol is simply alcohol, and you get alcohol by fermenting vegetables and fruits. Yes, it does cut in to our own food supply. Yes, ethanol still does cause pollution. Yes, it costs more power to produce ethanol than ethanol itself produces. Ethanol is grossly inefficient. It isn't a suitable alternative.
Hydrogen cells are only costly because they aren't mass produced. They also provide 0 emissions and last far longer than a tank of gas. It's far more efficient than oil.
SereneSatellites 1 month ago
@SereneSatellites If I had a ethanol compatible car & knew how to make my own moon shine, I'd never be hurtin on gas. Keep reading you business manual, its not working on me lol. But still its funny.
Bronzecop 1 month ago
@SereneSatellites
do we not still have to deal with energy debt in hydrogen fuel cell production as well?
H3770mynameis 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@SereneSatellites
Ah, sorry, had no idea. My account was that all Carbon that the plant uses for the crops that will turn eventually into Ethanol was from the atmosphere, but I hadn't accounted for the actually Gas used in the production of Ethanol. Makes sense then, thanks.
algumacoisaqq 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq Well you're thinking rationally and about people. The ones making these large scale business moves are thinking about the money that will go in their bank score card for who has the most money.
Shisho2k 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq
No they aren't. Ethanol is worthless. Why aren't we looking at hydrogen which is completely free of fossil fuel dependency?
By the way, every gallon of Ethanol produced requires the usage of 9/10ths a gallon of gasoline. So, really, its saving 1/10 of a gallon of gas, and only makes up 1/10 of a gallon of gas at the pump.
P.S, if your engine isn't made for it, it destroys it. Clean energy source and competing product my ass. Get rid of both the subsidies, fund hydrogen.
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@BusinessIDBAI My understanding is that most hydrogen is made from cracking water, which requires a lot of energy. Probably derived from fossil fuels. Ouch.
tnordloh 1 month ago
@tnordloh
Or nuclear power plants. One nuclear plant can produce enough hydrogen for half America.
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@BusinessIDBAI Hmm, did not know that. I guess the subsidies are way to high, for a product that should not exist at all (based on your info). Also, I'm assuming you mean Corn Ethanol, since USA can't grow sugar cane crops very well... dunno what the ratio on Sugar Cane would be.
I would note, however, that here in Brazil, even though we produce a lot of Ethanol, it is a lot more expansive to use Ethanol than Gasoline, for some reason. Probably because the Ethanol is getting exported, I dunno.
algumacoisaqq 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq
The sugar Ethanol is more efficient to manufacture. That's why America's Ethanol production is laughable.
I'm specifically talking about corn ethanol, not sugar cane though.
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@BusinessIDBAI Finally a sensible person.
SereneSatellites 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq Ethanol is still crap. It still pollutes. So instead of having a pollutant that will eventually run out, we have one that is practically permanent. Seems worse to me if not for any other reason, for that alone.
crackerkiller89 1 month ago
@crackerkiller89 You are accounting for burnt Ethanol into CO2, but the Crops need CO2 to grow, so in theory every CO2 from Ethanol comes from the air anyway, so in this sense we could consider it clean. That is not, However, accounting for the other production costs of Ethanol. As people have pointed out, if you need Gas to produce/transport Ethanol, than it is not all that clean anymore.
algumacoisaqq 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq You are right we should get rid of those oil and gas subsidies. Both are extremely inefficient.
bluesboy25000 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@algumacoisaqq Ethanol burned by itself is clean: the net reaction is light -> heat. However, when it's blended with gasoline, it reduces mileage, possibly increases smog production, and damages engines. An internal combustion engine can be optimized to run on gasoline or ethanol alone, among other fuels, but a blend screws things up.
UCMolosser 1 month ago
@algumacoisaqq Though I agree with you fully about oil subsidies and its status as competition for ethanol and other fuels.
UCMolosser 1 month ago
How much subsidies do geothermal, tidal, eolic, solar enery get? Probalby 0, because it is renewable so profit cannot be made by its creation and distribution.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
@giancarlo3000 For currently installed solar PV Germany has committed to pay ~€60 billion in feed in tariffs. The installed capacity of solar produces on average as much energy as two medium-sized nuclear reactors and mostly in the summer, when they don't really need it.
soylentgreenb 1 month ago
meh, i don't care about subsidies for ethanol, its better than for regular fuel
i would prefere they would subsidize wind or solar energy
wargarurumon 1 month ago 47
@wargarurumon i agree
platanaso1982 1 month ago
@wargarurumon wind and solar isint practible
geekforlifevandc 1 month ago
@wargarurumon No, it is not better than oil. Corn ethanol is simply greenwashing natural gas, a close cousin of oil, while depleting the top soil, draining acquifers and adding to eutrophication.
soylentgreenb 1 month ago
@soylentgreenb how would it drain aquifers more than regular agricultar?
wargarurumon 1 month ago
@wargarurumon It IS regular agriculture. There is nothing special about the corn grown for ethanol.
You get all the ills of agriculture, except worse, since when you're forcing more agriculture onto _marginal_ land. Marginal land is land that is for some reason not very suitable for agriculture, such as access to fresh water, or it could be something like a rain forest(which is being slashed and burned to grow soy).
soylentgreenb 1 month ago
@wargarurumon Ethanol is worse than gasoline, it takes more gasoline to make ethanol than it will save. It costs gas to make it, transport it, all that. We need to leave ethanol completely.
strickerman101 1 month ago
9000th :3
claradusk 1 month ago
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MrMurraypants 1 month ago
21st!
xnobody777x 1 month ago
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xnobody777x 1 month ago
I mean 20th.