Mustangs: A guide to low flying and aerobatics!

[Hellfire0220]

P38 used same motors cept 2 of them at same time XD

[soupy572]

The P-51A and its variations are the only models to use the Allison V-1710-the same engine as the P-38. The P-51B and later all used the Packard built Rolls Royce Merlin V-1650.

[Hellfire0220]

@soupy572 google it o.o

[soupy572]

It's true, maybe its you who needs to google it.

[Hellfire0220]

did said exactly what i said.same engins as p51D

[RJfan]

god, just listen to those GORGEOUS merlins HOWL through the air!

[lander4545]

Those "GORGEOUS" Merlins are actually the American made Packard V-1650 an updated,improved and modernized variant of the Merlin Rolls Royce! And don't let a Brit tell you otherwise!

[tasman763]

@lander4545 the Packhard was the P266 , not the V1650 . It was not improved or modernised , and actually dyno tested at 1430 bhp , not 1650bhp that the Merlin M63 powerplant that Packhard attempted to copy. On the second visit by RR techs to assist Packhard , they entered the dyno room, turned around and said " who the fuck chromed the rocker covers ??? " Packhard had a LOT to learn !

And I am a Kiwi, not a Brit. And I also think the Mustang is GORGEOUS !

[lander4545]

@tasman763 I respect your opinon but you are totally incorrect on the facts and need to do some research!

[tasman763]

@lander4545 the V1650 you refer to was fitted to the P51-A , and deemed unsuitable for European operations due to lack of performance at altitude. The Packhard P266 as fitted to the P-51D was indeed a great improvement.

Packards lineage in aero engine production was the OX55 ( JN4 Jenny ) power plant, and they simply could not match RR tolerances. The performance figures usually quoted are from the Merlin M63 equipt prototypes. I respect any warbirds fans opinion , yours included :-)

[lander4545]

@tasman763 No, no and no again! The P-51-A had the Allison engine.The Packard V-1650-3 went into the P-51-B and C models. The P-51-D had the Packard V-1650-7 while the last Mustangs produced the P-51- H had the Packard V-1650-9 capable of 487 m.p.h. The hand built Merlins were actually of poorer quality than the mass produced Packards because of the "human error factor" in using hand instruments. "I read the caliper a little high and you read it a little low."

[tasman763]

@lander4545 Sir, I owe you an apology , and I stand corrected . The P266 was the Packhard powerplant fitted to the Mk XVI Spit. My error came from sticking my head under the hood of a restored P-51D, which made use of the Packhard .

The use of the Wright supercharger quill , and machined silver / iridium finshed main bearings also constitutes improvement. I had no idea that the RR main bearings were hand finished ! I have a few issues with some raw data , but you are 100% correct.

[tasman763]

@lander4545 typo " use of Packhard " = " use of P266 " . The C model was a testbed ? and did not see service ? . Apart from the hand finished main bearings , the RR engines were not really " hand built " though ???

I see Spits rated at " so many MPH " . The most REALISTIC I have seen is for the Mk IXb which says " 400+ kts IAS " . MPH makes me think of sales brochures. The P-51 is an ICONIC aircraft. I mean no disrespect.

[Cougar2628]

god damn. these pilot s are ******* good!!!

[pilotdave1000]

dang i cant even hear the guy talking in the back

[shaddowsword]

1:25 (or 6) I think their wings came pretty close to touching, lol. Awesome mustangs, gotta love that roar!

[Irvine5312x6ma]

Seeing them fly so close together gives you an impression on how it would be to see a P-82 Twin Mustang flying....

[Eliotthecool]

the mustangs were the most agile!

[Anacinc]

P51's were intended to escort B17's far into enemy territory there where the Spitfire lacked this ability due to fuelproblems. The P51 could take staggering amounts of fuel along these trips and the agility of this particular fighter wasn't really up to fighters like the Bf109F4 or G2 at medium or low altitudes. That was more the domain of the Spitfire with a turning rate around the 19secs. That's where the P51 leaves a few seconds which could easily take a turn for the worse in a dogfight.

[Anacinc]

.....but the P51 was a excellent boom and zoom fighter which could outdive a lot of its opponents due to great diving capabilities ;-)

[fbenenati]

Correct. Also, something to be said for pilots Bud Anderson and Chuck Yeager, who both said that the mustang was their favorite single engine piston fighter of all time. Their words, not mine.

[Anacinc]

True! Often documented and advised by pilots and testpilots for the noobs. These documents gave a glimpse of the "Do's and Dont's" for initial pilots if it was only to make it back alive with no score whatsoever. Another fighter which became famous for it's abilities was the P47 Thunderbolt.... but don't ever get engaged in a low level dogfight in this bird! In other strategic area's this fighter was a master!