Hard to tell but it appears that there is not a lot of room for the foot section of a sleeping bag. That means wet feet when you wake up due to condensation. I see there is a guy-out to prevent that if there is a tree limb etc to use.
When lying on my regular size NeoAir (2.5" thick) and inside my Marmot Helium there were just a couple of inches of clearance between the top of the bag and the top canopy at the foot area. So, short answer, it was ok, long answer, it was close. But, if condensation was heavy, it could have still been a bit of a problem. However, I also learned that site selection was very important with single wall shelters which in turn will also help alleviate this.
@1377stick Thanks for the vid. Very informative. I would like your opinion. Do you think my hiking partner could fit as well? She is a 50lb Wiemeraner. I am about your size. Thanks.r
It may be a bit snug, but I think that she should. My daughter can lay beside me and we are comfortable enough. However, this has not been the case overnight...so...hard to say for sure. But I will say that there is a considerable amount of room inside the tent. I wouldn't consider trying to fit her under one of the vestibules though...most of the extra room is inside the tent.
I got a chance to see one of these (CF) and I think this is one of the finest UL tent that is out there. The design of this tent solves a *great* many problems that other UL tents on the market have. At 24 ounces for the sil-nylon version, priced at 225, it is very likely the best "money for your bang" tent I have come across. This is the only non-CF sub 25 ounce tent that I have been in that fits my 6'1 size with room to spare. The CF version I got inside of was the finest out there.
I'm not impressed by the design of the porch. First, who carries 4 trekking poles on a hike? Second, it seems like you can get a tigher pitch if you guy out upward, which would require a couple of trees, and which would negate using the porch above treeline. FInally, the way you attached the porch to the tent sides appears to make sense, except as noted, that the pitch is not tight. If you find a better way to do this, I hope you post a follow up to this video.
I agree about not carrying 4 poles and Ron doesn't intend for people to carry 4 poles. As alternatives you can buy the optional carbon or aluminum poles or as you say, guy it out to some sort of vegetation. I understand the concern about not being able to do so above tree line though. Since the video I have set it up with the porch a few other times and found that with single lines I can get it more taut but never completely taut, but I don't think it was meant to be completely taut.
Trivia: My wife does quilting and I talked her into helping me with a Rayway quilt project. So far we've cut out everything and are about ready for final assembly. Excellent instructions (according to her). The insulation is Climashield and the skin 1.1oz/sq.yd ripstop. Actually, she's doing most of the precision work while I hover around. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Awesome! I would love to hear how it turns out. Maybe even some pics or a video. I have been tempted to order the quilt kit from Thruhiker but haven't done so yet. I am thinking about ordering the G4 backpack kit from Questoutfitter though... I am expecting my summer quilt anytime so I shouldn't need another quilt until I just get bored... :)
Bro, you keep buying gear your wife is gonna run you off. ;) Good review. Seam Sealing is easy and quick, of course at that price I expect it to be trail ready, but that is me.
Pinhoti trail, last week in Oct. BateauxDriver and I plan to hit it. You should come.
It is not written in stone yet, but we are looking at the Monday before Halloween and going for the entire week. Finish up on the last Sunday of October. I still have to check at work and see if it is feasible. And I have to let Cgap know. Just throwing it out there, we are still in the planning stage.
Bummer, I am pretty sure I can't make that. 2 weeks later I have a week and a half off of work for a trip to the Bahamas...gotta keep the wife happy so I can keep buying tents... :) I might can squeeze in a Friday thru Sunday, but that is about all...
I also set mine up with the porch. I doubt I'd use it much. You need either another set of poles or be with someone who has a set and doesn't use them with their tent or whittle a set from "forest materials". I'm sure not inclined to carry extras just for that. I asked Ron Moak about the pull-out on the foot and it's purpose; Brandon replied and said it's more for stability in wind. As for the absence of porch instructions; just part of the charm of small manufacturers, I guess.
I am thinking that if I set it up in the right spot I can simply run a guy line to a tree to guyout the porch. It will definitely take a little more work, but it may be worth it in the end. I'll have to try it out a few times. I also agree about the guyout on the foot helping in the wind. On my Lunar Duo I tried pulling it up and found that was not practical, but when simply staking out to the ground it did well in wind. Since the Skyscape is narrower though it may not be needed.
I've been reading about this tent and looking it over for some time and was really glad to see your video on it. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
A couple questions are: about how deep is the floor ie bathtub? Are the zippers on the side fly's a double zipper?
The bathtub floor is not quite what is on some of the more traditional tents. Meaning it is not one certain height, all the time. I have found that it really depends on how the tent is staked out to determine the height of the bathtub floor. This is one of those things that takes some figuring out to really get it down. I am a little familiar with pitching it since I have the Lunar Duo and it is essentially the same. Be sure to read Rons thoughts on bathtub floors on his site (SMD).
Just received my Skyscape Scout Wednesday. Went through just about the same procedure as you. I found it easier to seat the poles in the little pockets while still partially collapsed then extend them. I was afraid I'd poke holes in the netting trying to position them at the full 45". The tie- out on the outside of the foot isn't very functional, If you try to lift with it the whole floor comes up. No instruction for the porch with mine either. Pretty well made, I thought.
I agree, I have set it up a few more times today and I found that setting it up with the poles collapsed and then extending them works much easier. And I hear ya about the tie out on the foot. My Lunar Duo has one just like it. At one time I planned to use a stick to pull up on the tarp and then stake it down, but I came to the same conclusion as you did. However, if I run a short line straight form the loop out to the ground it does seem to help steady the tent in windy conditions.
Nice video CHAD , but I think not having the mesh on the largest area of the inside of the tent might be a worry , plus with the mesh touching the outer fly in other places might be a worry also .
Condensation is your worst enemy !!!!!!!!
Then again I might be wrong , who knows till you try it out !!!!!!
I am up in the air about the mesh against the wall at the head. Once I take it back out I will see if I can guy it out better to get that wall off of the mesh. If so there will be no difference in this tent and a true double skin tent. Concerning the single wall at the foot this should be ok. I will be breathing into the head area so maybe most of the moisture will go out here rather than collect on the inner wall.
Either way, I think that I will have less condensation inside this shelter than I would a true single wall shelter. But like you say, i will never know until I try...
Hard to tell but it appears that there is not a lot of room for the foot section of a sleeping bag. That means wet feet when you wake up due to condensation. I see there is a guy-out to prevent that if there is a tree limb etc to use.
sonofursus 2 weeks ago
@sonofursus
When lying on my regular size NeoAir (2.5" thick) and inside my Marmot Helium there were just a couple of inches of clearance between the top of the bag and the top canopy at the foot area. So, short answer, it was ok, long answer, it was close. But, if condensation was heavy, it could have still been a bit of a problem. However, I also learned that site selection was very important with single wall shelters which in turn will also help alleviate this.
Hope this helps.
1377stick 2 weeks ago
Another good video. Yea, taughtness can be tricky on some shelters to master.
yodaquicksilver 3 weeks ago
thanks for the vid, but editing your bum crack out would have been nice
DENMONKEY 1 month ago
@DENMONKEY
Haha...it's like a car wreck...as much as you don't wanna look, you can't help but to look... :0
I apologize for that...maybe I should make this an R rated video... hhmmm...
1377stick 1 month ago
@1377stick I kept looking for dollar bills to stick down it.
all the best
DENMONKEY 1 month ago
Thanks
cajoleable 3 months ago
@1377stick Thanks for the vid. Very informative. I would like your opinion. Do you think my hiking partner could fit as well? She is a 50lb Wiemeraner. I am about your size. Thanks.r
cajoleable 3 months ago
@cajoleable
It may be a bit snug, but I think that she should. My daughter can lay beside me and we are comfortable enough. However, this has not been the case overnight...so...hard to say for sure. But I will say that there is a considerable amount of room inside the tent. I wouldn't consider trying to fit her under one of the vestibules though...most of the extra room is inside the tent.
1377stick 3 months ago
I got a chance to see one of these (CF) and I think this is one of the finest UL tent that is out there. The design of this tent solves a *great* many problems that other UL tents on the market have. At 24 ounces for the sil-nylon version, priced at 225, it is very likely the best "money for your bang" tent I have come across. This is the only non-CF sub 25 ounce tent that I have been in that fits my 6'1 size with room to spare. The CF version I got inside of was the finest out there.
RedwoodOutdoors 4 months ago
@RedwoodOutdoors
Nice, I have yet to see one in cuben but hopefully one day I will... And the sweet thing about my Trekker version is that I got mine for $175!
1377stick 4 months ago
I'm not impressed by the design of the porch. First, who carries 4 trekking poles on a hike? Second, it seems like you can get a tigher pitch if you guy out upward, which would require a couple of trees, and which would negate using the porch above treeline. FInally, the way you attached the porch to the tent sides appears to make sense, except as noted, that the pitch is not tight. If you find a better way to do this, I hope you post a follow up to this video.
osscouter 7 months ago
@osscouter
I agree about not carrying 4 poles and Ron doesn't intend for people to carry 4 poles. As alternatives you can buy the optional carbon or aluminum poles or as you say, guy it out to some sort of vegetation. I understand the concern about not being able to do so above tree line though. Since the video I have set it up with the porch a few other times and found that with single lines I can get it more taut but never completely taut, but I don't think it was meant to be completely taut.
1377stick 7 months ago
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mwoeber 7 months ago
Trivia: My wife does quilting and I talked her into helping me with a Rayway quilt project. So far we've cut out everything and are about ready for final assembly. Excellent instructions (according to her). The insulation is Climashield and the skin 1.1oz/sq.yd ripstop. Actually, she's doing most of the precision work while I hover around. I'll let you know how it turns out.
oxdrift76 7 months ago
@oxdrift76
Awesome! I would love to hear how it turns out. Maybe even some pics or a video. I have been tempted to order the quilt kit from Thruhiker but haven't done so yet. I am thinking about ordering the G4 backpack kit from Questoutfitter though... I am expecting my summer quilt anytime so I shouldn't need another quilt until I just get bored... :)
1377stick 7 months ago
Bro, you keep buying gear your wife is gonna run you off. ;) Good review. Seam Sealing is easy and quick, of course at that price I expect it to be trail ready, but that is me.
Pinhoti trail, last week in Oct. BateauxDriver and I plan to hit it. You should come.
robbyherrin 7 months ago
@robbyherrin
Haha... it's all good...
When you say last week, which days are you talking about?
1377stick 7 months ago
@1377stick
It is not written in stone yet, but we are looking at the Monday before Halloween and going for the entire week. Finish up on the last Sunday of October. I still have to check at work and see if it is feasible. And I have to let Cgap know. Just throwing it out there, we are still in the planning stage.
robbyherrin 7 months ago
@robbyherrin
Bummer, I am pretty sure I can't make that. 2 weeks later I have a week and a half off of work for a trip to the Bahamas...gotta keep the wife happy so I can keep buying tents... :) I might can squeeze in a Friday thru Sunday, but that is about all...
1377stick 7 months ago
I also set mine up with the porch. I doubt I'd use it much. You need either another set of poles or be with someone who has a set and doesn't use them with their tent or whittle a set from "forest materials". I'm sure not inclined to carry extras just for that. I asked Ron Moak about the pull-out on the foot and it's purpose; Brandon replied and said it's more for stability in wind. As for the absence of porch instructions; just part of the charm of small manufacturers, I guess.
oxdrift76 8 months ago
@oxdrift76
I am thinking that if I set it up in the right spot I can simply run a guy line to a tree to guyout the porch. It will definitely take a little more work, but it may be worth it in the end. I'll have to try it out a few times. I also agree about the guyout on the foot helping in the wind. On my Lunar Duo I tried pulling it up and found that was not practical, but when simply staking out to the ground it did well in wind. Since the Skyscape is narrower though it may not be needed.
1377stick 7 months ago
I've been reading about this tent and looking it over for some time and was really glad to see your video on it. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
A couple questions are: about how deep is the floor ie bathtub? Are the zippers on the side fly's a double zipper?
Thanks
MrPAWILDS 8 months ago
@MrPAWILDS
The bathtub floor is not quite what is on some of the more traditional tents. Meaning it is not one certain height, all the time. I have found that it really depends on how the tent is staked out to determine the height of the bathtub floor. This is one of those things that takes some figuring out to really get it down. I am a little familiar with pitching it since I have the Lunar Duo and it is essentially the same. Be sure to read Rons thoughts on bathtub floors on his site (SMD).
1377stick 8 months ago
Nice video! Keep up the good work.
dcordry 8 months ago
@dcordry
Thanks for checking out my video!
1377stick 8 months ago
good review man
rvman21 8 months ago
@rvman21
Thanks for checking out my video!
1377stick 8 months ago
Just received my Skyscape Scout Wednesday. Went through just about the same procedure as you. I found it easier to seat the poles in the little pockets while still partially collapsed then extend them. I was afraid I'd poke holes in the netting trying to position them at the full 45". The tie- out on the outside of the foot isn't very functional, If you try to lift with it the whole floor comes up. No instruction for the porch with mine either. Pretty well made, I thought.
oxdrift76 8 months ago
@oxdrift76
I agree, I have set it up a few more times today and I found that setting it up with the poles collapsed and then extending them works much easier. And I hear ya about the tie out on the foot. My Lunar Duo has one just like it. At one time I planned to use a stick to pull up on the tarp and then stake it down, but I came to the same conclusion as you did. However, if I run a short line straight form the loop out to the ground it does seem to help steady the tent in windy conditions.
1377stick 8 months ago
Nice video CHAD , but I think not having the mesh on the largest area of the inside of the tent might be a worry , plus with the mesh touching the outer fly in other places might be a worry also .
Condensation is your worst enemy !!!!!!!!
Then again I might be wrong , who knows till you try it out !!!!!!
Tell us how you got on with it ..............
Figure14HH 8 months ago
@Figure14HH
I am up in the air about the mesh against the wall at the head. Once I take it back out I will see if I can guy it out better to get that wall off of the mesh. If so there will be no difference in this tent and a true double skin tent. Concerning the single wall at the foot this should be ok. I will be breathing into the head area so maybe most of the moisture will go out here rather than collect on the inner wall.
1377stick 8 months ago
Either way, I think that I will have less condensation inside this shelter than I would a true single wall shelter. But like you say, i will never know until I try...
1377stick 8 months ago