a good demonstration. i think Wing Chun is a very solid Kung Fu art.... from there it would be valuable to take on other techniques and styles in order to improve yourself even further, but the entire basis of WC seems really stable from a 3rd person point of view... i would start from here definently and then gain more experience by autodidacting myself physically and mentally.
I'm a wing tsun pratcioner but my knowledege of wing tsun is so little and i think it takes some years or maybe never to know what this martial art form realy means..
So I'm still in the Sium Nim Tao phase.Sure it's good when somebody can do all the forms...the Long Pole and Double Knifes..But is he a Master or Grand Master ..? What are the requirements to be a Master or Grand Master ? If Mr. Ip Man still live what will he say to all of us..?
@petroziom well good for you, but yours is a very debatable statement. you have to hit and get hit by your opponent, to feel, to measure his strength and weakness. so from a very general point of view your argument is flawed. i don't know what your experience is but you have none in thinking before speaking and you lack information, that's my final opinion.
0:39 - 0:40 It takes too long. Too many unnecessary techniques. He could knock out the opponent at once. In addition, the loss of time is too high, the enemy will not punch only once. And then, the opportunity is gone.
@MegaSmud in a real street fight someone who is trained in wing chun would do it much faster, see the other mans arm it would take him to long to hit him
@MegaSmud Well he is demonstrating a block followed by one punch, which is pretty quick, you can't always just throw one punch, maybe you caught the punch late and didn't pre-empt, if the only technique he ever showed was one punch the art itself would not only be dull to learn but also pretty useless
@jalidav1 This is a Wing Chun demonstration, not a real combat situation. A real opponent is in motion, his punches and kicks are fast. He would never admit to trappling. I would like to see Mr. Kwok in a boxing match. Then all his soft techniques would not work anymore. A quick shuffel, sidestep, jab, uppercut, a fast combination = no Tan Sau, Fuk Sao, Chi Sao, etc. Wing Chun works against a primitive attack, but against a more experienced and modern attacker, it is useless. Bruce Lee's opinion
@MegaSmud Obviously wing chun wouldn't work in a boxing match as trapping would be against the rules, but it is very effective against boxers on the street, boxing is very effective in the ring where theres a lot of room to move around, but in crowded confined areas such as a bar? it has to be as straight forward as possible in this situation and this is what we train for in Wing Chun, watch this video, an ex bare knuckly boxing champ pays homage to grandmaster kwoks skills
@jalidav1 You can not choose, where and how you are attacked. I was referring not only to a boxing ring, but mainly to modern punch techniques. The modern fighter is covered well and his punches are fast. He strikes from different angles with different punches. If the Wing Chun fighter is in a corner, then it is much worse for him (especially when he has his typical Wing Chun hand position).
@MegaSmud that is exactly my point, the hand positions in wing chun allow you to defend yourself in crowded areas, it is true you can't choose where you are attacked, but if you can defend yourself where you can't use footwork then you can defend yourself where you can, I am not ripping on boxing, I boxed and thai boxed for five years, what I particularly like about WC is that it teaches you to get something in the way of an attack as you very rarely start a fight with your guard up
@MegaSmud granted it isn't perfect, but don't be deceived by the punches as they do pack a certain power, I have felt the energy from Samuel Kwok first hand as I attended a seminar this Sunday, the goal though is the same as any art you study, take only what is useful. WC is teaching me at the moment to think fast, which is a very valuable tool in any conflict
@dlvt79 You don't have to redirect many if you end the fight quickly, which is a basic tenet of practical or "street" Wing Chun... end the fight as quickly as possible.
@dantebenuto I agree but we must prepare ourselves for the hard situation.For me it is bad habit to redirect the punch in training.If i use in it when a good one come and i am not used to relax my body and turn i will take the hit.Anyway i love the art and maybe search for details.The truth is most people in street fight dont know to punch.
@dlvt79 I'll take the trade off of a partially taken punch, glancing blow, or punch to a non vital area like shoulder or upper chest (off center) if it means I get to deliver at the same time an eye gouge, palm strike to the throat, etc... it's not ideal, but it will still work in a practical street fight.
@dlvt79 You don't have to redirect many if you end the fight quickly, which is a basic tenet of practical or "street" Wing Chun... end the fight as quickly as possible.
In my opinion there are basically 3 good ways to effectivley deal with an attacker throwing rapid combination punches which will be the case in most real fights. They are:
Using the clinch,crazy monkey style elbow blocks and boxing slips. These are the approaches used by most mma fighters for dealing with punches.
@CrowdPleeza You are not incorrect. However, the idea is to not let them mount a sustained offense. Make entry, jam the offense, and apply an attack at the same time. Get inside the OODA loop, get control of the fight.
Trap distance can be one of the most effective ranges, but is the hardest to master. All TMA that make heavy use of this range have long learning curves but very good effectiveness.
I was taught to turn. I'm a little guy and when sparring, i had to turn a lot to divert enough of the energy away, and get the hell out of the way of punches xD
Very well done. A point; one should not turn the body off the opponents centerline. That causes only one hand to be available for combat at a time. That is traditional kung fu or karate. VT/WC faces the opponent and uses chung chi or forward energy. Turning off to the side may be useful in general combat but does not measure up to the capabilities and physics of VT. Nice self defense however it breaks the high level set by VT physics.
he chooses an angle so the opponent only has one hand available but he still his 2 hands going straight ahead. if both fighters go forward it's up to the strongest and that's not how WT works. In advanced yip man WT and Siu Lam WT you always take an angle.
Here's why I disagree. Touching with 2 hands is not the same as retaining the centerline and both hands full functionality. If both partners were equally matched the striking zone would never become available. It's not at all about strength but technique. The better player will exploit the others weaknesses, not with force or by losing the centerline but with superior use of physics. Turning off is not VT physics, it's bad kung fu and it's traditional kung fu. (contd)
Sam Kwok is 98% on the money, very good kung fu. Turning away from the opponent is not what VT teaches. It's possible we'll disagree on this. The good news is that even bad VT is good kung fu. In the meantime, when an opponent turns or yields any aspect of forward energy or centerline focus, gives any energy that can be subjugated, that opponent will have lost.
So you suggest that one stand square in front of his opponent at all times ?...and suggest AGAINST one cutting in at a 45 degree angle but keeping thier shoulders square ,....baiscly one should not flank the opponent ?
absolutely. however... flanking is correct too. but, it's done by diverting the opponent so that THEY are off the centerline, never us. if they have perfect kung fu we don't get that chance. however, the opp always gives us varying energy by direction and force as well as use of technique. Most opps never know how much force they are using, as well as giving even slight movements off the centerline which we exploit with delight. If we turn off the centerline, it's shaolin. nice but no cigar.
p.s. when someone approaches us they approach our "wedge". At chi sao range try to enter. Let's use lop sau to tan dar. You can't just do a tan dar to the outside because you'd like to. it's when their direction turns slightly off center. & think about all the times someone has done tan dar on you & turned off center when doing it rather than to redirect the opp (using their force) allowing you to use chung ki forward energy for the tan dar n following w ur centerline though they are now off.
a good demonstration. i think Wing Chun is a very solid Kung Fu art.... from there it would be valuable to take on other techniques and styles in order to improve yourself even further, but the entire basis of WC seems really stable from a 3rd person point of view... i would start from here definently and then gain more experience by autodidacting myself physically and mentally.
ncdangale112 1 month ago
I'm a wing tsun pratcioner but my knowledege of wing tsun is so little and i think it takes some years or maybe never to know what this martial art form realy means..
So I'm still in the Sium Nim Tao phase.Sure it's good when somebody can do all the forms...the Long Pole and Double Knifes..But is he a Master or Grand Master ..? What are the requirements to be a Master or Grand Master ? If Mr. Ip Man still live what will he say to all of us..?
We are like maggots creeping in the mud..!
flaminggroovy 2 months ago
i could both beat them they have no balance and no ground expirience
petroziom 3 months ago
@petroziom Show us a video of you while fighting. If you can't then go back home and keep up the keyboard fighting art you seem to know very well.
MannaTheBerserk 3 months ago
@petroziom oh, how we laugh at your ignorance...
Alibaster11 1 month ago
@petroziom well good for you, but yours is a very debatable statement. you have to hit and get hit by your opponent, to feel, to measure his strength and weakness. so from a very general point of view your argument is flawed. i don't know what your experience is but you have none in thinking before speaking and you lack information, that's my final opinion.
ncdangale112 1 month ago
what if it was a fast hit like a jab a hook or an uppercut i cant really block those or dont know wat blocks to use for a perfect combination
caringisharing 4 months ago
0:39 - 0:40 It takes too long. Too many unnecessary techniques. He could knock out the opponent at once. In addition, the loss of time is too high, the enemy will not punch only once. And then, the opportunity is gone.
MegaSmud 8 months ago
@MegaSmud in a real street fight someone who is trained in wing chun would do it much faster, see the other mans arm it would take him to long to hit him
slickmodz 5 months ago
@MegaSmud And that's why you are a grand master.......oh wait, you're not
jalidav1 4 months ago
@jalidav1 Why should I have to be a grand master? I´m right. Would you perform multible techniques, when you could defend yourself with one punch?
MegaSmud 4 months ago
@MegaSmud Well he is demonstrating a block followed by one punch, which is pretty quick, you can't always just throw one punch, maybe you caught the punch late and didn't pre-empt, if the only technique he ever showed was one punch the art itself would not only be dull to learn but also pretty useless
jalidav1 4 months ago
@jalidav1 This is a Wing Chun demonstration, not a real combat situation. A real opponent is in motion, his punches and kicks are fast. He would never admit to trappling. I would like to see Mr. Kwok in a boxing match. Then all his soft techniques would not work anymore. A quick shuffel, sidestep, jab, uppercut, a fast combination = no Tan Sau, Fuk Sao, Chi Sao, etc. Wing Chun works against a primitive attack, but against a more experienced and modern attacker, it is useless. Bruce Lee's opinion
MegaSmud 4 months ago
@MegaSmud Obviously wing chun wouldn't work in a boxing match as trapping would be against the rules, but it is very effective against boxers on the street, boxing is very effective in the ring where theres a lot of room to move around, but in crowded confined areas such as a bar? it has to be as straight forward as possible in this situation and this is what we train for in Wing Chun, watch this video, an ex bare knuckly boxing champ pays homage to grandmaster kwoks skills
/watch?v=VhwJPUgM--M
jalidav1 4 months ago
@jalidav1 You can not choose, where and how you are attacked. I was referring not only to a boxing ring, but mainly to modern punch techniques. The modern fighter is covered well and his punches are fast. He strikes from different angles with different punches. If the Wing Chun fighter is in a corner, then it is much worse for him (especially when he has his typical Wing Chun hand position).
MegaSmud 4 months ago
@MegaSmud that is exactly my point, the hand positions in wing chun allow you to defend yourself in crowded areas, it is true you can't choose where you are attacked, but if you can defend yourself where you can't use footwork then you can defend yourself where you can, I am not ripping on boxing, I boxed and thai boxed for five years, what I particularly like about WC is that it teaches you to get something in the way of an attack as you very rarely start a fight with your guard up
jalidav1 4 months ago
@MegaSmud granted it isn't perfect, but don't be deceived by the punches as they do pack a certain power, I have felt the energy from Samuel Kwok first hand as I attended a seminar this Sunday, the goal though is the same as any art you study, take only what is useful. WC is teaching me at the moment to think fast, which is a very valuable tool in any conflict
jalidav1 4 months ago
I hope you don't meet aguy with good and strong punch.You can not redirect every punch!!Maybe80% but what about the other?
dlvt79 1 year ago
@dlvt79 You don't have to redirect many if you end the fight quickly, which is a basic tenet of practical or "street" Wing Chun... end the fight as quickly as possible.
dantebenuto 8 months ago
@dantebenuto I agree but we must prepare ourselves for the hard situation.For me it is bad habit to redirect the punch in training.If i use in it when a good one come and i am not used to relax my body and turn i will take the hit.Anyway i love the art and maybe search for details.The truth is most people in street fight dont know to punch.
dlvt79 8 months ago
@dlvt79 I'll take the trade off of a partially taken punch, glancing blow, or punch to a non vital area like shoulder or upper chest (off center) if it means I get to deliver at the same time an eye gouge, palm strike to the throat, etc... it's not ideal, but it will still work in a practical street fight.
dantebenuto 8 months ago
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@dlvt79 You don't have to redirect many if you end the fight quickly, which is a basic tenet of practical or "street" Wing Chun... end the fight as quickly as possible.
dantebenuto 8 months ago
In my opinion there are basically 3 good ways to effectivley deal with an attacker throwing rapid combination punches which will be the case in most real fights. They are:
Using the clinch,crazy monkey style elbow blocks and boxing slips. These are the approaches used by most mma fighters for dealing with punches.
CrowdPleeza 1 year ago
@CrowdPleeza You are not incorrect. However, the idea is to not let them mount a sustained offense. Make entry, jam the offense, and apply an attack at the same time. Get inside the OODA loop, get control of the fight.
Trap distance can be one of the most effective ranges, but is the hardest to master. All TMA that make heavy use of this range have long learning curves but very good effectiveness.
dogabutila 6 months ago
can you teach me
robertinho102 1 year ago
this sam kwok has good ku fu
nashorie 1 year ago
i think the wing chun is great
nashorie 1 year ago
I was taught to turn. I'm a little guy and when sparring, i had to turn a lot to divert enough of the energy away, and get the hell out of the way of punches xD
TheKillerHobbit 2 years ago
@TheKillerHobbit SAAAAAAAAME! its so unfair us smaller guys have to do so much more work hahahaha
ChinatownDragonKC 1 year ago
Very well done. A point; one should not turn the body off the opponents centerline. That causes only one hand to be available for combat at a time. That is traditional kung fu or karate. VT/WC faces the opponent and uses chung chi or forward energy. Turning off to the side may be useful in general combat but does not measure up to the capabilities and physics of VT. Nice self defense however it breaks the high level set by VT physics.
heartslord 2 years ago
he chooses an angle so the opponent only has one hand available but he still his 2 hands going straight ahead. if both fighters go forward it's up to the strongest and that's not how WT works. In advanced yip man WT and Siu Lam WT you always take an angle.
wesleyyoung 2 years ago
Excellent thoughts!
Here's why I disagree. Touching with 2 hands is not the same as retaining the centerline and both hands full functionality. If both partners were equally matched the striking zone would never become available. It's not at all about strength but technique. The better player will exploit the others weaknesses, not with force or by losing the centerline but with superior use of physics. Turning off is not VT physics, it's bad kung fu and it's traditional kung fu. (contd)
heartslord 2 years ago
Sam Kwok is 98% on the money, very good kung fu. Turning away from the opponent is not what VT teaches. It's possible we'll disagree on this. The good news is that even bad VT is good kung fu. In the meantime, when an opponent turns or yields any aspect of forward energy or centerline focus, gives any energy that can be subjugated, that opponent will have lost.
thanks much!
heartslord 2 years ago
So you suggest that one stand square in front of his opponent at all times ?...and suggest AGAINST one cutting in at a 45 degree angle but keeping thier shoulders square ,....baiscly one should not flank the opponent ?
fanofkimboslice 2 years ago
absolutely. however... flanking is correct too. but, it's done by diverting the opponent so that THEY are off the centerline, never us. if they have perfect kung fu we don't get that chance. however, the opp always gives us varying energy by direction and force as well as use of technique. Most opps never know how much force they are using, as well as giving even slight movements off the centerline which we exploit with delight. If we turn off the centerline, it's shaolin. nice but no cigar.
heartslord 2 years ago
p.s. when someone approaches us they approach our "wedge". At chi sao range try to enter. Let's use lop sau to tan dar. You can't just do a tan dar to the outside because you'd like to. it's when their direction turns slightly off center. & think about all the times someone has done tan dar on you & turned off center when doing it rather than to redirect the opp (using their force) allowing you to use chung ki forward energy for the tan dar n following w ur centerline though they are now off.
heartslord 2 years ago
think I'll make a quick vid on this. Great to hear from you!
heartslord 2 years ago
thanks master mag
is was great
MrMohamed1407 2 years ago 11
From the little I know very nice wing chun.
brotherminister1930 2 years ago 9
@brotherminister1930 its terrible
WTKSB1987 1 year ago