To share the Earth in cooperation for all generations to come, A MONEYLESS,CLASSLESS,STATELESS communities of humanity expressing our multitude of creative energies in harmony and wisdom, The current world socio-economic minority imposition is the negation and alienation of our common humanity Capitalism in corporate or state modality is the tyranical rule of RULING ELITE . The awakening is inevitable, the revolution a must.
Calling Yushchenko a dictator is going way overboard. The fact is US sponsored the "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia.The fact is majority of people in those countries (not vast majority) supported changes. The changes the "revolution" promised were unrealistic, and never made reality.The governments emphasized on pro US(anti Russia)politics without explaining the benefits of this policy.That made people stop believing the government.Russia saw it as US threatening its interests and territory.
yeah everybody supports changes... The point is that those changes were just promises to get elected.. Ushenko was put in power to undermine Russia and to cut off taht oil taht goes to the European union and varreis others things.. he did NOTHING taht benefited the average Ukaranian.
I am very disaaponted with Mr Engdahl! He so openly mentions the wealth of Rafsanjani but no mention of the supreme Leader and his Son Mojtaba whose cash ($1.6 Billion) was blocked in UK and aronnd 1 Billiron Eurs in Germany!!! I have been a fan of Mr Engdahl but his insult to Georgia;'s popular and Nationalist Presiden Sarkashvili is truly insulting!! I have many Georgian friends and they hate Russia and Love their oresident! Iran Freedom move is an Iranian sort NOT CIA, Ajax etc nosense!
yes, its his biggest asset - the fact he does not allow himself to be drawn into guessing and conspiracy, he is hard facts geopolitical analist. God bless you Mr. Engdahl :)
maybe its just me but Paul appears desperate in his attempt to cover or minimize the green revolution angle. Its as if the angloamericans didnt want regime change in Iran nor supported terrorist groups in Iran, or as if the BBC farsi language news just months prior to election was an altruistic coincidence, or that the NED was choirboys just as envolved in promoting democracy in Saudi Arabia(not) that Iran, and as if there was no poll favoring amadenejad 2-1 .
New article worth reading: Washington is Playing a Deeper Game with China by F. William Engdahl
"The NED was intimately involved in financial support to various organizations behind the Lhasa Crimson Revolution in March 2008, as well as the Saffron Revolution in Burma/Myanmar and virtually every regime change destabilization in eastern Europe over the past years from Serbia to Georgia to Ukraine to Kyrgystan to Teheran in the aftermath of the recent elections."
"Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, was quite candid when he said in a published interview in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."
Good background piece on all these american-israeli-eu sponsored colour revolutions.
"Seen this: Thought-police is here by Rona Kuperboim"
the only thing new might be that they admit it, but if a non strategic trivial run of the mill company as already been found to hire hoards of people to pose as internet users that like their products, Its almost garanteed that zionist trolls have already been on the payroll for some time and in Much greater numbers than what is alluded to.
no color rev? how do you explain the 2-1 poll favoring Amadi in iran 3 weeks prior to elections?
well is not secret that america put dictators on countries,they did it in south america they do business withcommunist like china because they want an piece of the market of china and the potential that they have even when they control 60 per cent of the commerceand they dont allow democracies growup and usa politicians do business with them and not with cuba they go and fought in the name of democracies in irak but they cantgo down tocuba that it is right here 90 miles away thats hypocrisy
ahamadinejah wants master the nuclear power so its good for america have nuclear power and nukes and its not good for iran thats what are you saying and second america puts pression for onu and other organizationes to punish iran by commerce the same for cuba usa put the embargo towards cuba not fidel so if free trade is good for china why is not good for america trade with cuba ,cuba wants buy and make business too with america but the government do not allow that by putting laws against them
Not when that country is israel or the usa - according to the zionist troll, clarissa. According to her, the people of Iran cant wait to become a colony again and welcome the son of the late shaw as their new "democratic" leader.
We have all the foreign policy we need. Do you realize that one MX peacekeeper ICBM carries 6 indepently targetable nuclear warheads. It is called push butto diplomacy. Put 3 into Iran 3 into Pakistan then let the world see another minuteman silo open. One Raghead so much as lights a fire cracker we hit em with 2 more. Neutron bombs, Kill alot of people save the infra structure, Next...
And what does Ahmadinejah want everyone to believe?
Actually, I have to my opinion about Iran only since the recent days of the videos of the protests in Iran.
Before that, I thought that Iranians actually backed the politics of Ahmadinejah that cause Iran to be isolated from free trade with many nations. I see with my own eyes that many beautiful Iranians want freedom from the old regime and Revolutionary Guard.
I see that Iran exiled foreign press - afraid of exposure. The World looks.
The Iranian establishment is controlled by the same elties that control the US. These events in Iran are being escalated by the Iranian establishment with the assistence of external western media, CIA etc...
The agenda is global. Iran is one piece of the puzzle. Global chaos if managed correctly can result in global order in due time. Another piece of the puzzle is Urgur Muslims in China, teror in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Georgia, financial crisis, 911, etc...
"In a manner reminiscent of Ronald Reagans New Cold War policies, Obama has vastly increased the military budget, increased the number of combat troops, targeted new regions for military intervention and backed military coups in regions traditionally controlled by the US . "
"However Obamas rollback strategy occurs in a very different international and domestic context. Unlike Reagan, Obama faces a prolonged and profound recession/depression, massive fiscal and trade deficits, a declining role in the world economy and loss of political dominance in Latin America, the Middle East, East Asia and elsewhere."
Both of these articles are easy to find on the web. Search for them.
One of the things jay claimed during his obfuscation of Engdahl was there was a lot of poor people among the demos in Iran. That is was a deliberate lie.
Prof. James Petras has written 2 very informative articles on the Iranian colour revolution:
Iranian Elections: The Stolen Elections Hoax 06.18.2009
"There is hardly any election, in which the White House has a significant stake, where the electoral defeat of the pro-US candidate is not denounced as illegitimate by the entire political and mass media elite.
In the most recent period, the White House and its camp followers cried foul following the free (and monitored) elections in Venezuela and Gaza, while joyously fabricating an electoral success in Lebanon despite the fact that the Hezbollah-led coalition received over 53% of the vote."
Engdahl is a writer, not a public speaker trained in manipulating interviews like this jay tool. If you want to see the man in his own area of expertise, read what he has written. Such as his most recent:
Media Disinformation: "Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran"
Contrary to Times accounts relations between Ahmedinejad and Saudi King Abdullah seem to be cordial
My own opinion of jay and his so-called real news network is that both are zionist fronts pretending to be progressive while cleverly garnering support for ziofascist american/israeli/eu political and economic interests. This is why jay pulled the obnoxious geraldo reviera routine on Engdahl. He didn't want Engdahl to lay out his evidence for his reasoning, which is sound. Unlike the ziofascist propaganda jay wants diseminated through the real news.
I switched off the second interview because of P,wondered there for a moment if he was interviewing himself,no I would not donate to you Paul...Obama must"appear" to be restrained etc.,etc.,APPEAR being the operative word.
You cannot throw ten comments at once and not allow the other person to respond to them, by the time ten comments have been thrown you lose track and don't know which one to reply to if you do remember them all...no,this is not the way to communicate /discuss...I will stop the conversation and point out what this behaviour does and if it doesn't cease then I will not continue...it is most disrespectful to invite someone for a discussion and then rail-road them along the way.
The interviewer took over the interview, this happened too often where it became annoying to listen to, the interviewer ran off at the mouth and did not allow the person being interviewed to respond, he did try a couple of times but superlip kept rambling on saying nothing really, I think he got caught up in EGO for a few minutes,I saw the look of annoyance on the face of the man being interviewed.
The worker union part may just be a side issue. From what protests I have studied in the past, everyone sees one bit of the issue and they relate to it.
Everyone is saying something or doing something different, so at least some are confused.
Twitter is a tool. It helps but it isn't the cause. Many more don't use twitter.
In the Iranian colorr revolution, the use of twitter was not for Iranian consumption. Few Iranians apparently use it. What was written on twitter was almost all in English, very little Farsi was used. The twittering was for western consumption. To sway western minds outside Iran. Almost nothing on twitter was written by Iranians. In fact, the 3 accounts that accounted for the largest share of the twittering originated from israel.
No , becos it would be better for israel an the US when would ahmadinejad stays ,
A bad bad bad guy with dangerous weapons and shit in his head and who terrorize the citizens of iran ....so they con go and "rescue" them like they did with Iraqis.
with ahmadinejad they will have the next Saddam so their energy resources are secure.
Basically, it's a 3 steps process (1) create a 'pro democracy' organization with USA government "pro-democracy" funds (2) these organizations use the money to hire those "consulting firms" for training and media manipulation placements (3) stage "colored revolution"
Bingo! direct evidence, what direct evidence? LMAO!
(4) establish phony democratic system and deceptive central banking system > create financial miracle : Iranians get rich and live a good life > financial miracle soon turns into financial mirage : bubble burst > real estate, stock market, economic collapse > Iranian gov't owes a lot of foreign debt and is forced to sell assets to international bankers and becomes under their control.... same as Iceland and many Eastern European countries... Ponzi scheme is what parasitic bankers are good at
Thanks to people like Chaney and Wolfowit, the devils have managed to make millions of dollars doing what the CIA had done covertly in the past, THEY HAVE OUTSOURCED CIA COVERT OPERATIONS to "privately owned political consulting firms" that specialize in destabilization and coup operations in any country.
To understand events on the ground in Iran, people need to understand the evolution of USA criminal covert operations through out the world.
Starting with Vietnam and Nixon illegal bombing of Cambodia lead to Watergate,... back to Iran, Reagan's infamous Iran-contra scandal,... and thanks to the History Channels and YouTube, there are thousands of "CIA sponsored terrorism" videos on the web, etc.
Direct covert ops got 'declassified' so they have change their tactics.
And the CIA's subsequent failed "black ops" in Iran lead to "blow backs" and gave rise to Khomeini.
But USA and CIA have been trying for decades to isolate Iran diplomatically and economically ever since, culminating in Bush naming Iran as one of the "axis of evil" along in Iraq and N. Korea.
USA for democracy? Bullshit! It's about oil, stupid!
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CIA's overthrew Iran's fist democratically elected prime minister (see CIA Iran 1953, or google Mossadeq). Prime minister Massadeq's 'sin' was to kick out British oil corporation that had been looting Iranian oil since colonial time.
@DanMorgan98, no response? stalled, confused, "just turns out the way the CIA wanted" lol!
Anyway, go do some research on a secretive Christian church called "The Family" in Washington D.C.. This is not a fantasy church, many of Republican politicians live in this 'church' when they are in D.C. today!
@DanMorgan, if you want 'evidence' in the format of the History Channel, just wait a year or so, by then people like you would have another line ready "so what, that was in the past, it doesn't mean that we are doing now or in the future..." lol!
William Engdahl is right. It was a colored revolution and he does seem to have understood very well the politics in Iran. Good man !!! Jay Paul on the other hand hmmm... I'd rather stay polite today LOL !!!
CIA is good at buying traitors or importing imposters into the targeted country "there must be something that these rascals want, some time it is as simple as college entrance for their sons or daughters to study in US university..."
After they studied social political situation on the ground, the CIA sent an American bishop to Guatemaula in 1954 to oversee US propaganda opperations from within Guatamaula predominantly Catholic churches.
The point that is being made is that there has to be direct evidence that the US has fostered and fomented this uprising in Iran. Just because the US has poured various resources into Iran does not mean that this uprising is a direct response to these resources. That is not how evidence works. This uprising works in our favor but it does not mean we were directly involved as we were in the coups that you mentioned, which have extensive paper trails to US policies.
DanMorgan98, 'direct evidence' ? you speaks like a lawyer, or more to the point like Bill Clinton "I did not have sexual relationship with that women" lol!
"It works in our favor..."? you meant for 8 years the Bush gang wanted regime change in Iran and they didn't do any thing, and now things just 'works in our favors"?
I want my tax dollars back, those hundreds of million$ just for tight jeans for those slutty Iranian girls? lol!
I suggest that you listen to Engdah's words carefully.
What the heck are you talking about? I mean evidence. Just because various resources are poured into an endeavor does not mean those resources are directly responsible for everything that happens within the target. Do you know what evidence is? Do you know how to find and evaluate evidence? You have to have hard proof in order to say anything concrete. I have not ruled out that the US may have been involved in fomenting the uprising, but there isn't any evidence to suggest it to be the case.
Unless you're a shill in the thick of this "green revolution" in Iran, you're trying to lead me on that you're so dumb that even if 'evidence' smack you between your eyes, you wouldn't know it!
I say you're one of the evidences, lol! Either you're one of their operatives or "you just turns out exactly the way they wanted" dump and confused and asking "where's the beef?" in damage control for a failed "black ops"
Oh, I should have known, you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist who can do nothing but insult and commit the logical fallacy of ad hominem to cover up the fact that you can't provide evidence for your claims.. You do not have a single shred of evidence. I am sorry that you weren't able to afford a higher education to develop your analytical reasoning skills, but many high school drop outs like yourself that I have known know the difference between evidence and conspiracy theory. Evidence please
I can think for myself, thank you. I dont need to listen to conspiracy theorists like Enghdal to get my information because I know how to find and evaluate evidence. Provide evidence for your claims. If you cant, then that means you are lying and that you are a conspiracy theorist. Engdahl is a conspiracy theorist. Think for yourself.
DanMorgan, Engdahl is *hardly* a conspiracy theorist. He's read and analyzed more Anglo-American history than you could ever fathom even considering from behind your little corporate cubicle. Shills like you emphasize "evidence" while defining its parameters to meet your own concocted definitions. Meanwhile, all the evidence of US infiltration of Iran marches right by you...even in US press sources.
DanMorgan, you keep spouting the word "evidence" without knowing what it is in this context. You are the type to have claimed that the '53 CIA-sponsored coup in Iran was lacking evidence, too, and thus was a 'conspiracy theory', but for Albright acknowledging it in the '90s.
Jay could use a quick review of Sadam's relationship with US, then US spent billions to recruite Saddam generals, incited Kurds armed uprising,... WMD, bombed, then Saddam was murdered.
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William Engdahl is one of the few thinking Economist who can look from outside of the "US bottle" and see things and events as they happen... Bush spent billions for regime change in Iran, sanctions against Iran still in place
I think what Engdahl is saying is that the Iranian elections took place in the context of US posturing. US planners sent Obama to the middle East to make a lets-be-friends speech just before the elections in Iran which were meant to lend weight to advocates for change (democratic or otherwise) within Iran.
In the1953 CIA iranian coup they paid thousands of Poor Iranians to protest in the streets against the first democratically elected Iranian leader .The CiAs dirty tricks handbook does not rule out doing anything.learn history folks and stop talking out of your ass.The CIA cares nothing about democracy they are the corporate police allowing the plundering by the corporate elite.
You do realize that there is an extensive paper trail backing up this claim? There is not one backing up the claim that the current situation is exogenous.
"Paper trail"? Look no further than the recent history of CIA infiltration of Balochistan, Azerbaijan, the Kurdish west of Iran and elsewhere to try and rouse unrest (divide and conquer). Also, observe the State Dept. overtly intervening on Twitter's corporate operations to benefit said rioting in Iran. How many 'dots' does a critical thinking being need?
Critical thinking requires the evaluation of evidence. There is no evidence linking the current uprising in Iran to specific meddling by the US. There might, in the future, be evidence that comes to light implicating exogenous interference in Iran's current state, but as of right now none exist. Just because the US has infiltriated and fostered the uprisings of the so called colored revolutions does not mean that it is currently doing so in Iran. In fact, there is no evidence that twitter has...
The Iranian Militia often use their ability to close the Straits of Hermooz as a verbal weapon.
Not only washington, but the entire world cannot ignore a possible takeover of the Straits of Hermooz. Why does everyone think Washington is God and responsible for everything that happens in the world. it is silly!
The world's economy would be greatly affected if 20% of the world's oil supply was disrupted.
All countries scramble to put a claim on the world's oil reserves.
Sorry Dan, but the overwhelmingly conspicuous history of Western intelligence's infiltration into Iran -- again, up to and including recent/current efforts in ethnic Iranian peripheries -- precludes such plausible deniability over potential current involvement vis-a-vis twitter/facebook/youtube, etc. Research Facebook alone and you'll see plenty of CIA cross-pollination (their Board members, technical background, DARPA-connections, etc.).
Seymour hershs article in the 2007 New Yorker"Preparing the Battlefield" made clear there was a CIA destabilization program in Iran going on since at least 2005.this green revolution as its called in Iran is the culmination of CIA destabilaization programs.The CIA repeats what it does over and over again including Domestic propagnda and destabilization.
Both sides make different points, without actually coming to a common conclusion or one side expressing it's full view.
The difference of the green revolution to the colored revolutions is in that in Georgia and Ukraine more or less independent presidents were replaced by fully western leaning presidents. Neither Shivardnadze nor Kuchma were actually "pro Russian", but were independent enough to be a "problem" to region's powers.
wow just glad I had the chance to grow up in N.America during the 1990s. Even western europeans have told me that is perceived as the best place to live. Anyway that's gone, but there always been war. To tell you the truth there hasn't been a war between industrialized nations for a long time. Don't think that will happen anytime soon either.
"Completely obliterated"?!? Please drop the crack pipe before typing. Iran is not Afghanistan, nor Iraq. Obliterating it = taking down quite a few other nations with it, not excluding Israel. A war on Iran is a war against the complete non-alligned world, along with the southern and eastern hemispheres. Ask Moscow, Beijing, Islamabad, Caracas and Abuja for confirmation on that one...
8. I'd write more, but I have to go get my paycheck from the CIA and look up my orders on Twitter.
My best to you, Mr Engdahl. I think you're as removed from Iran and trapped in your mindset as people like John 'Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran' McCain and Lindsey 'Let's send them copiers' Graham.
7.When you mentioned the nuclear-armed monster on Iran's doorstep, I thought you meant Russia which has been quietly increasing its influence in Iran and engaging in 'security cooperation' (ie training intelligence goons, etc). But no, that was wishful thinking. The only nuclear-armed monsters you see are the US and Israel.
6. So broad opposition, people from all sectors of society, is a 'perfect inredient for triggering destabilization'? Oh boy, these poor Iranians can't win. If they're broadly represented, then they must be tools of the West. I guess you would prefer that only a small slice of society were represented. That would make things purer. But wait, that's what you claimed earlier. The people demonstrating are just some kids who want jeans. So which is it?
5.Yes, Mousavi is no saint. But in a system where candidates are carefully vetted by the Guardian Council, how are people to vote? Should they stay at home (as they have done on many occasions) or go out to vote for the candidate they hope will bring about some reforms? Oh, I forgot, the third option is to become mindless idiots who are manipulated into a color revolution. It no longer matters what Mousavi is, but rather what he represents.
4. It looks like you have read Seymour Hersh's excellent articles. Yes, the US has very probably encouraged tribal and ethnic conflict in Iran. But could you explain please, how bolstering Jundullah led to mass demonstrations in Tehran and other major cities like Shiraz and Isfahan. You do believe that the unrest is the work of elitists in northern Tehran and other rich parts of other urban centers, don't you?
3.Over the years, bloggers, journalists, student leaders, woman's rights campaigners, human rights campaigners... all thrown in jail, some killed. You wouldn't have come across any of these cases in your extensive research on Iran, would you? That adds up to a lot of 'jeans-and-sports-car' envy.
2. It couldn't have anything to do with decades of struggle which have produced a vibrant and mature civil society comprising university students and professors, journalists, labor leaders, writers, politicians... No, no. The Tehran transit workers went on strike three years ago? Lackeys of the CIA. Their leader (along with other union officials) thrown in jail where he loses one of his eyes? Righteous punishment for a fool who had already been completely blinded by Western avarice.
1. A bunch of mindless 'kids under 30' took to the streets, got beaten, got arrested, got killed, because they wanted 'jeans and sports cars'? Those must be pretty fancy jeans and cars. Oh, and don't forget the nightclubs and cocktails they must thirst for. Give me Johnny Walker or give me death! That must be it, because the only smart, freedom-loving person in the world is sitting in Germany and imparting words of wisdom to the rest of us through that tool of imperialism called the Internet.
Engdahl has more knowledge than you could imagine. Read his book, "A Century of War", to realize how western intelligence basically removed the Shah in favor of Khomeini. Engdahl has access to the type of research most historians would KILL for. Don't rely upon this video alone to size the guy up...
jasperfortescue, you didn't see those Iranians riot like this when oil was at $147 a barrel, did you? No, they only started caring about their 'dictatorial' leadership after oil hit $40/barrel.
Economics dictates politics. People couldn't care less about 'democracy' versus 'totalitarianism' as long as they're well fed. Ask the middle class Chinese about that, who prefer their standard of life to overl-indebted American 'democracy' any day....
No Iranians did not turn out in such numbers when oil prices were high. It is true that petro-dictatorships try to buy peace with money (handouts). Furthermore, I don't think Iranians wanted another revolution or more violence. After the 1979 revolution and the Iran-Iraq war, the nation was tired of bloodshed.
However, you're incorrect in assuming that they did not care about their dictatorial leadership, as you put it. They've tried to peacefully bring about democratic reforms through activism and the ballot box for years. But they have consistently been confronted with inappropriate and disproportionate force by the regime.
For example, check out the 'campaign for one million signatures' to abrogate gender-discriminatory laws. Dozens of people, mostly women in this case, have been jailed for simply trying to get signatures on a petition. Or check out numerous human rights activists, like Emadeddine Baghi or Fathollah Soltani, jailed, kept in solitary confinement, for simply saying or writing something.
Or check out very basic labor demands (ie actually getting paid) in the textile industry, in the Haft Tappeh sugar plant (5000 employees), the teachers' marches of last year... Again disproportionate force and threats instead of responding to legitimate demands.
Did the CIA make the Iranian regime treat the people this way. When the people can't get a proper response from their government and they can't bring about reforms through the ballot box or activism, is that because of Western plots?
When professors and students are purged, first through something called the Iranian Cultural Revolution, then through government directives, what are they supposed to do? Again, did MI6 create all those discontented people?
Literally dozens of newspapers have been closed and journalists and bloggers have been jailed overthe years. When people can't communicate their thoughts through normal channels, where should they turn to?
Dozens of activists, thinkers, and politicians have been murdered over the past 15 years by gon squads which have never been caught. Sorry, one guy, Saeed Emami of the ntelligence Ministry was arrested and conveniently committed suicide in jail. Look up the Chain Murders. Look up Saeed Hajarian, who barely survived an assassination attempt by some Basijis and was arrested after this glorious election and taken to jail in his wheelchair.
@jasperfortescue, sounded like you're well informed (from withn the den of the CIA) lol!
...and when the CIA and its operatives completed their studies on the ground to find all possibles discontentments in a targeted country, THE CIA IS PLEASE TO EXPLOITED THE SITUATIONS AND CAUSED BLOODBATH OR CIVIL WARS SO THAT IN THE END THE COUNTRY IS DESTROYED FOR ALL THE SURROUNDING COUNTRIES TO SEE -- THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU DON'T KNEEL TO USA BIG CORPORATIONS.
Did your 'lol' mean ;) or 'You lackey CIA operative!'
If the latter, then I guess since you're not well-informed then you are not writing from 'within the den of the CIA.' Good for you. And congrats on your use of capital letters. Very impressive. You managed to change my mind with those caps. I'm with you now.
Should I wear a conical hat and a sign around my neck as penitence?
PS Maybe Iran's regime shouldn't create those 'SITUATIONS' so the CIA cannot 'TO EXPLOITED' them.
Dear Mr. Engdahl, you seem to believe you are the only smart person in the room. The rest of us are dupes, open to manipulation from the CIA and other perfidious Western cabals. So here are few words of humble criticism aimed at your view of the movement in Iran:
what this movement is lacking is organization which it before 79 and upto 81 till the exile of Banisadr the first Iranian president. this is how ukno this movement is the resurrection of the Iranian revolution that has been sleepin for 30 years, this revolution will go on for years if not decades to comes, it will organize and reorganize, like a snow ball released on top of the mountain. + : ppl r united as one ; - : forming on the dead
no cherifa 123 , the ppl protesting are not the rich class - I hvae contacted Iran and they told me in sections 1,2 and 3 of Tehran which are the rich areas were little or no movement, the rich ones are usually the organizers tho.
the Intresting part is that, this is like a repeat of the 79 revolution which was mostly established by the lefties,nationalist and Islamic mullas for over 200 years! and you see all theses charechteristics in Musavi. Then funny part is that these ppl know the consiquences of a violent revolution and so thery r trying to deal with it in an Gandhi fasion just like khomeini did.
im an Iranian, grown up there, my dad was a political prisoner at Evin: Iranians don't like amerian plicies, we r very nationalist ppl, the reasone Musavi has become a leader is because he's the Ideal iranian that ppl want to see::: anti-Israeli, nationalist, religouse,against coruption and so on...what is happening here is that Iranians feel like the 79 revolution has been stolen by these foundementalists and here is Musavi "khomeini's favorite" taking it back.
Nojanhn, whether its Ahmadinejad or Mousavi as president, Iranians must show complete Unity in the face of Western designs to destabilize Iran. Tehran must work with Russia, China and the rest of the world to build a multi-polar world. The US and UK want to divide Iran into pieces and take its oil.
I watched the whole thing, and I'm left wondering, what's the alternative to the USA acting to maintain control globally?
You can bet your left nut or ovary that neither China nor Russia have anyone's best interests at heart.
These guys offer no solution beyond disengagement, clearly not an option when competing with regimes that don't even have to pay lip service to any democratic or humanitarian ideals.
don't trust China, Russia but always beware of US intervention.
The US acts like bully of the world, invading other countries, DETAINING and TORTURING innocent people without any form of jury trial.
Your description of WWI is stunningly superficial, European Monarchies with overseas empire ruled the world in tangled set of alliances which is NOTHING like the reality of the 21st century.
So you want a evil dictator? I don't understand your point.
Bunnicula, you unfortunately are unaware of the wider aims of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization & BRIC nations, to whom Iran owes increasing allegiance, and whom favor a MULTI-POLAR world free from a brutish US/UK hegemonic rule. The momentum is on the side of these nations, and the US doesn't know what to do about it, so it 'twiters' to try and destabilize Iran when it could be negotiating plainly and openly instead.
I'm just saying blowback is a bitch. Imagine a wonded floundering USA feeling beset on all sides by enemies. In that situation the world would see what the US Navy alone could really do under some new GOP douchebag.
The USA has 10 Carrier Strike Groups, each capable of kicking the shit out of any whole navy outside of Britain or maybe France. That's something nobody talks about or seems to get.
"That's something nobody talks about or seems to get."
Yes your right, but it also comes at a cost of over 1 trillion dollars per year to maintain such dominance. We spend more money than the rest of the world combined on our military.
Its breaking the back of the American Economy. The Iraqi War cost over a trillion dollars even by conservative estimates.
The world is already multipolar, the US still is holding on to its empire, which is slipping away with the value of the dollar. US is broke
True, we need to put the pipe down, but we can't do it all of a sudden or without help.
The USA is addicted to this mode, both culturally and economically, thus it will be hard. I am wary of doing anything rash. I'm all for a structured withdrawal from the entire damn world, save some of the unpopulated islands.
And the Iraq War was a cluster-F I protested big time, before and during.
The intertwining of religion and military is big to about 30% of our population. . . scary.
did you know there was a file about how much they spent on nukes... you want to know how much it went up to... ill give you a hint... it starts with the number 30... and ends with the word trillion
Bunnicula, sure, the US Navy could demolish any *one-off* navy. But the SCO/BRIC alliances connote an eventual bond amongst *many* forces - Russian, Chinese (they're already conducting multiple, joint military exercises), Paki, Brazilian, Venezuelan, Iran, pan-African, Indian, etc. We, the UK & Israel would be fighting THE WORLD, basically. And as Micahgee articles, that's all assuming that THE WORLD will fund our wanting to do any 'shit kicking' in the first place...
The REAL problem here is the cultural addiciton of the American people to military power. It is like a drug addiction, and we're a democratic republic. Americans cannot put that pipe down in numbers sufficient to end this nonsense.
That said, it may be impossible under our system of gov't to end our imperialism quickly. Democracy is theoretically awesome, however, if the electorate is 50% stupid, it yields problems. The US electorate has proven its at least 50% stupid at every turn.
"It's green, it's a color" does this moron realise that green is the color of the 1979 revolution? That Mousavi was one of the original revolutionaries from 1979? That the green revolution is FAR from being pro-western? That it is strictly a revolution to return Iran to the original ideas of 1979? He might know a lot about the Pentagon, CIA and White House whish-list but he doesn't CARE enough to learn about Iran...
I think the guy Paul interviewed made some good points...Keeping Ahmadinejad in power does serve the pentagon's imperial ambitions more than mousavi does...mousavi would be a road block for their long term plans. Although there is a legitamate movement of Iran's youth against the clerics...something I think Paul was so fustratingly trying to get across.
Very good interrogation of the thinking of the author, I'd like to hear more extended interviews like this. As interesting as this was, I think it's still just scratching the surface, so keep up the good work and thank you for The Real News.
Paul destroyed William in this interview. Obliterated. William argues that the military industrial complex still applies. True. Every nation seeks power. The point is - by what means do they seek power? Is it through legitimate means or through illegitimate means. Bolstering the UN, in my opinion, is in the interests of the US as its de facto leader.
However, it does not explain the Iranian riots. The US impact was negligable. Twitter did not cause the revolution but webovized it.
the UN is the de facto leader of the US? What are you talking about? You are either ignorant or are not articulating your point....how does paul destroy william? By suggesting the CIA is less involved in Iran than he thinks? Its clear that the CIA is involved to some degree - saying the protesters don't think thats the case as an argument for the absence of the CIA is dumb...of course they dont know - that is the pooint of a color revolution - paul makes the best point at 11:20
True. This was a worthless interview. He has a basic understanding of world politics but what his book or arguments contributes beyond the basics is not clear.
yeah it was like even though paul was trying to bring him around to the idea that these people might just be revolting.the other guy kept on bringing it around to the same point of it some government stirring the pot.he couldn't just take the iranian revolution for what it was.he kept on saying it's going to endup bringing some diffrent interpretation of democrazy and that this revolution is not genuine.idk the dude really annoyed me.
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arzoyan 2 months ago 3
War, war and more war...
Prometheukles 5 months ago
Read the book "a century of war" by William Engdahl. It is extremely enlightening.
Iranianoilbourse 11 months ago
C.I.A. = trouble
Manolo1013 1 year ago
"Giant monster with nuclear teeth" ... Ya gotta love this guy!
EJPutz 1 year ago
Fine upload indeed.....hard facts delivered with precision...interesting listening indeed.5/5
redriot74 1 year ago
Calling Yushchenko a dictator is going way overboard. The fact is US sponsored the "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia.The fact is majority of people in those countries (not vast majority) supported changes. The changes the "revolution" promised were unrealistic, and never made reality.The governments emphasized on pro US(anti Russia)politics without explaining the benefits of this policy.That made people stop believing the government.Russia saw it as US threatening its interests and territory.
seezarorest 2 years ago
@seezarorest
yeah everybody supports changes... The point is that those changes were just promises to get elected.. Ushenko was put in power to undermine Russia and to cut off taht oil taht goes to the European union and varreis others things.. he did NOTHING taht benefited the average Ukaranian.
xMaXiMuSx 8 months ago
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WHAT A COMPLETE MORON FUCKN IDIOT
zorastermoon 2 years ago
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آقای خامنهای مسئول تمام جنایت و خرابیها در ایران میباشد و هر کسی از ایشان حمایت کند در حکومت بعدی به جرم خیانت به مردم ایران باید جوابگو باشد.
adminjohn 2 years ago
So who is the one who created all this demonstration obviously everyone knows who is the supporter of all of this!
NUSRPKINA 2 years ago
PROOF of US participation in
Google!
News in Brief
Hillary Clinton admits the USA manipulated the Iranian "green revolution"
voltairenet org
TeslaGenius 2 years ago
I am very disaaponted with Mr Engdahl! He so openly mentions the wealth of Rafsanjani but no mention of the supreme Leader and his Son Mojtaba whose cash ($1.6 Billion) was blocked in UK and aronnd 1 Billiron Eurs in Germany!!! I have been a fan of Mr Engdahl but his insult to Georgia;'s popular and Nationalist Presiden Sarkashvili is truly insulting!! I have many Georgian friends and they hate Russia and Love their oresident! Iran Freedom move is an Iranian sort NOT CIA, Ajax etc nosense!
RezBabe 2 years ago
"Georgia;'s popular "?!!????!!! US puppet Sarkashvili ?
TeslaGenius 2 years ago
You do not see the entire game my friend. CIA involved in more that you can believe. Mr. Engdahl does not have access to all information.
318767663 2 years ago 8
Mr. Engdahl tries. Thats more than 99.99% of the people.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago 9
yes, its his biggest asset - the fact he does not allow himself to be drawn into guessing and conspiracy, he is hard facts geopolitical analist. God bless you Mr. Engdahl :)
hrvatskasad 1 year ago
maybe its just me but Paul appears desperate in his attempt to cover or minimize the green revolution angle. Its as if the angloamericans didnt want regime change in Iran nor supported terrorist groups in Iran, or as if the BBC farsi language news just months prior to election was an altruistic coincidence, or that the NED was choirboys just as envolved in promoting democracy in Saudi Arabia(not) that Iran, and as if there was no poll favoring amadenejad 2-1 .
Rickdeckard2020 2 years ago
Bomb, bomb, bomb......Bomb, bomb iran.
SirianKings 2 years ago
that's what your mother sang melodically while i snapped my cock off in her crusty ass----hole.....
giterdun77 2 years ago
The only asshole you'll ever come close to is if your hand slips through the toilet paper.
lolllllllllllll
SirianKings 2 years ago
"lollllllllllll" You were most likely sexually abused by your father. Hence why you write nonsense on YouTube. Seek a therapist. Please.
giterdun77 2 years ago
Really good journalism.....
SciolisticWashup 2 years ago
Another article shattering the ziofascist lies about the Iranian colour revolution with the use of facts.
Mousavi shifts to allegations of Purchasing Votes - and Still Falls Short Kaveh L. Afrasiabi
It can be found at Middle East Online.
ah4321 2 years ago
New article worth reading: Washington is Playing a Deeper Game with China by F. William Engdahl
"The NED was intimately involved in financial support to various organizations behind the Lhasa Crimson Revolution in March 2008, as well as the Saffron Revolution in Burma/Myanmar and virtually every regime change destabilization in eastern Europe over the past years from Serbia to Georgia to Ukraine to Kyrgystan to Teheran in the aftermath of the recent elections."
ah4321 2 years ago
"Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, was quite candid when he said in a published interview in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."
Good background piece on all these american-israeli-eu sponsored colour revolutions.
ah4321 2 years ago
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Forgot to mention the article can be found on the Global Research website.
ah4321 2 years ago
Seen this: Thought-police is here by Rona Kuperboim
Look it up and you will see where the likes of zionfascist trolls like clarissa originate from.
ah4321 2 years ago
"Seen this: Thought-police is here by Rona Kuperboim"
the only thing new might be that they admit it, but if a non strategic trivial run of the mill company as already been found to hire hoards of people to pose as internet users that like their products, Its almost garanteed that zionist trolls have already been on the payroll for some time and in Much greater numbers than what is alluded to.
no color rev? how do you explain the 2-1 poll favoring Amadi in iran 3 weeks prior to elections?
Rickdeckard2020 2 years ago
well is not secret that america put dictators on countries,they did it in south america they do business withcommunist like china because they want an piece of the market of china and the potential that they have even when they control 60 per cent of the commerceand they dont allow democracies growup and usa politicians do business with them and not with cuba they go and fought in the name of democracies in irak but they cantgo down tocuba that it is right here 90 miles away thats hypocrisy
johnkaoszed 2 years ago
Every country looks out for it's country's best interest. Nothing wrong with that?
Us relationship with Cuba is changing as the Castro regime mellows. So, I hear.
As far as China goes, China wants to sell to the US, US buys and in return China buys US Bonds. Free Trade is good.
Cuba's Castro Isolated Cuba - just like Ahmandinejah will isolate Iran.
What best interest does Ahamadinejah have for it's country
by alienating the free world against Iran with his nuclear program?
Clarissa2424 2 years ago
ahamadinejah wants master the nuclear power so its good for america have nuclear power and nukes and its not good for iran thats what are you saying and second america puts pression for onu and other organizationes to punish iran by commerce the same for cuba usa put the embargo towards cuba not fidel so if free trade is good for china why is not good for america trade with cuba ,cuba wants buy and make business too with america but the government do not allow that by putting laws against them
johnkaoszed 2 years ago
"Every country looks out for it's country's best interest. Nothing wrong with that?"
There is something wrong with it when a country kills millions of people for its own hegemony.
langbay2005 2 years ago 2
Not when that country is israel or the usa - according to the zionist troll, clarissa. According to her, the people of Iran cant wait to become a colony again and welcome the son of the late shaw as their new "democratic" leader.
ah4321 2 years ago
Agreed, U.S. needs a new foreign policy.
Mendetus 2 years ago 2
We have all the foreign policy we need. Do you realize that one MX peacekeeper ICBM carries 6 indepently targetable nuclear warheads. It is called push butto diplomacy. Put 3 into Iran 3 into Pakistan then let the world see another minuteman silo open. One Raghead so much as lights a fire cracker we hit em with 2 more. Neutron bombs, Kill alot of people save the infra structure, Next...
jerdeb4evr 2 years ago
The Iran Revolution is not about young Iranians wanting to drive sports cars and wear blue jeans. You diminish the natural human passion for freedom.
Iranians do not want the world sanctions that Ahmadinejah brings upon Iran.
German - US or no country can do much behind the scenes to make Iranian people do anything that they do not really want.
German guy - you have very poor psychoanalytical powers. America did not just change it's face with Obama - America changed it policies.
Clarissa2424 2 years ago
That's what israel, the usa and their gophers in the eu want every one to believe.
You have a twitter account, don't you.
:D
ah4321 2 years ago
My above response was to the Clarissa2424 spam.
ah4321 2 years ago
You have a misunderstanding of Spam. Spam occurs when someone posts information which not related to the topic on many channels.
Having a difference of opinion is not spam.
Clarissa2424 2 years ago
And what does Ahmadinejah want everyone to believe?
Actually, I have to my opinion about Iran only since the recent days of the videos of the protests in Iran.
Before that, I thought that Iranians actually backed the politics of Ahmadinejah that cause Iran to be isolated from free trade with many nations. I see with my own eyes that many beautiful Iranians want freedom from the old regime and Revolutionary Guard.
I see that Iran exiled foreign press - afraid of exposure. The World looks.
Clarissa2424 2 years ago
The Iranian establishment is controlled by the same elties that control the US. These events in Iran are being escalated by the Iranian establishment with the assistence of external western media, CIA etc...
The agenda is global. Iran is one piece of the puzzle. Global chaos if managed correctly can result in global order in due time. Another piece of the puzzle is Urgur Muslims in China, teror in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Georgia, financial crisis, 911, etc...
daniel987878 2 years ago
Good call
ks9812 2 years ago
Another writer who sees through the zionist propaganda about Iran and Honduras:
Tehran and Tegucigalpa: A tale of two capitals
9 July 2009
Barry Grey
ah4321 2 years ago 2
The 2nd Petras Article:
Obamas Rollback Strategy: Honduras, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan (and the Boomerang Effect)
07.09.2009
"In a manner reminiscent of Ronald Reagans New Cold War policies, Obama has vastly increased the military budget, increased the number of combat troops, targeted new regions for military intervention and backed military coups in regions traditionally controlled by the US . "
ah4321 2 years ago
"However Obamas rollback strategy occurs in a very different international and domestic context. Unlike Reagan, Obama faces a prolonged and profound recession/depression, massive fiscal and trade deficits, a declining role in the world economy and loss of political dominance in Latin America, the Middle East, East Asia and elsewhere."
Both of these articles are easy to find on the web. Search for them.
ah4321 2 years ago
One of the things jay claimed during his obfuscation of Engdahl was there was a lot of poor people among the demos in Iran. That is was a deliberate lie.
Prof. James Petras has written 2 very informative articles on the Iranian colour revolution:
Iranian Elections: The Stolen Elections Hoax 06.18.2009
ah4321 2 years ago
"There is hardly any election, in which the White House has a significant stake, where the electoral defeat of the pro-US candidate is not denounced as illegitimate by the entire political and mass media elite.
In the most recent period, the White House and its camp followers cried foul following the free (and monitored) elections in Venezuela and Gaza, while joyously fabricating an electoral success in Lebanon despite the fact that the Hezbollah-led coalition received over 53% of the vote."
ah4321 2 years ago
Engdahl is a writer, not a public speaker trained in manipulating interviews like this jay tool. If you want to see the man in his own area of expertise, read what he has written. Such as his most recent:
Media Disinformation: "Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran"
Contrary to Times accounts relations between Ahmedinejad and Saudi King Abdullah seem to be cordial
by F. William Engdahl
Find it at global research
ah4321 2 years ago
My own opinion of jay and his so-called real news network is that both are zionist fronts pretending to be progressive while cleverly garnering support for ziofascist american/israeli/eu political and economic interests. This is why jay pulled the obnoxious geraldo reviera routine on Engdahl. He didn't want Engdahl to lay out his evidence for his reasoning, which is sound. Unlike the ziofascist propaganda jay wants diseminated through the real news.
ah4321 2 years ago
And another:
The real news interviewer is a total fool. No reason to support real news, another CIA asset.
Engdahl actually knows what he is talking about.
ah4321 2 years ago
Another:
I switched off the second interview because of P,wondered there for a moment if he was interviewing himself,no I would not donate to you Paul...Obama must"appear" to be restrained etc.,etc.,APPEAR being the operative word.
ah4321 2 years ago
You cannot throw ten comments at once and not allow the other person to respond to them, by the time ten comments have been thrown you lose track and don't know which one to reply to if you do remember them all...no,this is not the way to communicate /discuss...I will stop the conversation and point out what this behaviour does and if it doesn't cease then I will not continue...it is most disrespectful to invite someone for a discussion and then rail-road them along the way.
ah4321 2 years ago
Response to this interview from another site:
The interviewer took over the interview, this happened too often where it became annoying to listen to, the interviewer ran off at the mouth and did not allow the person being interviewed to respond, he did try a couple of times but superlip kept rambling on saying nothing really, I think he got caught up in EGO for a few minutes,I saw the look of annoyance on the face of the man being interviewed.
ah4321 2 years ago
The worker union part may just be a side issue. From what protests I have studied in the past, everyone sees one bit of the issue and they relate to it.
Everyone is saying something or doing something different, so at least some are confused.
Twitter is a tool. It helps but it isn't the cause. Many more don't use twitter.
soccom8341576 2 years ago
In the Iranian colorr revolution, the use of twitter was not for Iranian consumption. Few Iranians apparently use it. What was written on twitter was almost all in English, very little Farsi was used. The twittering was for western consumption. To sway western minds outside Iran. Almost nothing on twitter was written by Iranians. In fact, the 3 accounts that accounted for the largest share of the twittering originated from israel.
ah4321 2 years ago
good.
soccom8341576 2 years ago
Did the West create this situation?
No , becos it would be better for israel an the US when would ahmadinejad stays ,
A bad bad bad guy with dangerous weapons and shit in his head and who terrorize the citizens of iran ....so they con go and "rescue" them like they did with Iraqis.
with ahmadinejad they will have the next Saddam so their energy resources are secure.
mymomcantcook 2 years ago
mymomcantsuckcock ... so it looks like we both have something in common!
peymaania 2 years ago
Basically, it's a 3 steps process (1) create a 'pro democracy' organization with USA government "pro-democracy" funds (2) these organizations use the money to hire those "consulting firms" for training and media manipulation placements (3) stage "colored revolution"
Bingo! direct evidence, what direct evidence? LMAO!
planettan 2 years ago 2
(4) establish phony democratic system and deceptive central banking system > create financial miracle : Iranians get rich and live a good life > financial miracle soon turns into financial mirage : bubble burst > real estate, stock market, economic collapse > Iranian gov't owes a lot of foreign debt and is forced to sell assets to international bankers and becomes under their control.... same as Iceland and many Eastern European countries... Ponzi scheme is what parasitic bankers are good at
tyoungos 2 years ago 3
Thanks to people like Chaney and Wolfowit, the devils have managed to make millions of dollars doing what the CIA had done covertly in the past, THEY HAVE OUTSOURCED CIA COVERT OPERATIONS to "privately owned political consulting firms" that specialize in destabilization and coup operations in any country.
planettan 2 years ago
To understand events on the ground in Iran, people need to understand the evolution of USA criminal covert operations through out the world.
Starting with Vietnam and Nixon illegal bombing of Cambodia lead to Watergate,... back to Iran, Reagan's infamous Iran-contra scandal,... and thanks to the History Channels and YouTube, there are thousands of "CIA sponsored terrorism" videos on the web, etc.
Direct covert ops got 'declassified' so they have change their tactics.
planettan 2 years ago
(b)
And the CIA's subsequent failed "black ops" in Iran lead to "blow backs" and gave rise to Khomeini.
But USA and CIA have been trying for decades to isolate Iran diplomatically and economically ever since, culminating in Bush naming Iran as one of the "axis of evil" along in Iraq and N. Korea.
planettan 2 years ago
USA for democracy? Bullshit! It's about oil, stupid!
(a)
CIA's overthrew Iran's fist democratically elected prime minister (see CIA Iran 1953, or google Mossadeq). Prime minister Massadeq's 'sin' was to kick out British oil corporation that had been looting Iranian oil since colonial time.
planettan 2 years ago 2
@DanMorgan98, no response? stalled, confused, "just turns out the way the CIA wanted" lol!
Anyway, go do some research on a secretive Christian church called "The Family" in Washington D.C.. This is not a fantasy church, many of Republican politicians live in this 'church' when they are in D.C. today!
planettan 2 years ago
@DanMorgan, if you want 'evidence' in the format of the History Channel, just wait a year or so, by then people like you would have another line ready "so what, that was in the past, it doesn't mean that we are doing now or in the future..." lol!
planettan 2 years ago
William Engdahl is right. It was a colored revolution and he does seem to have understood very well the politics in Iran. Good man !!! Jay Paul on the other hand hmmm... I'd rather stay polite today LOL !!!
mirrorinvestigation 2 years ago
Why is it we don't get this kind of information on our televisions?(rhetorical)
How do we get back to actual news and away from personallity contests and beauty pagents?
jerdeb4evr 2 years ago
(4)
CIA is good at buying traitors or importing imposters into the targeted country "there must be something that these rascals want, some time it is as simple as college entrance for their sons or daughters to study in US university..."
After they studied social political situation on the ground, the CIA sent an American bishop to Guatemaula in 1954 to oversee US propaganda opperations from within Guatamaula predominantly Catholic churches.
google "A Coup Made in America"
planettan 2 years ago
The point that is being made is that there has to be direct evidence that the US has fostered and fomented this uprising in Iran. Just because the US has poured various resources into Iran does not mean that this uprising is a direct response to these resources. That is not how evidence works. This uprising works in our favor but it does not mean we were directly involved as we were in the coups that you mentioned, which have extensive paper trails to US policies.
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
DanMorgan98, 'direct evidence' ? you speaks like a lawyer, or more to the point like Bill Clinton "I did not have sexual relationship with that women" lol!
"It works in our favor..."? you meant for 8 years the Bush gang wanted regime change in Iran and they didn't do any thing, and now things just 'works in our favors"?
I want my tax dollars back, those hundreds of million$ just for tight jeans for those slutty Iranian girls? lol!
I suggest that you listen to Engdah's words carefully.
planettan 2 years ago
What the heck are you talking about? I mean evidence. Just because various resources are poured into an endeavor does not mean those resources are directly responsible for everything that happens within the target. Do you know what evidence is? Do you know how to find and evaluate evidence? You have to have hard proof in order to say anything concrete. I have not ruled out that the US may have been involved in fomenting the uprising, but there isn't any evidence to suggest it to be the case.
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
@DanMorgan98, LMAO!
Unless you're a shill in the thick of this "green revolution" in Iran, you're trying to lead me on that you're so dumb that even if 'evidence' smack you between your eyes, you wouldn't know it!
I say you're one of the evidences, lol! Either you're one of their operatives or "you just turns out exactly the way they wanted" dump and confused and asking "where's the beef?" in damage control for a failed "black ops"
planettan 2 years ago
Oh, I should have known, you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist who can do nothing but insult and commit the logical fallacy of ad hominem to cover up the fact that you can't provide evidence for your claims.. You do not have a single shred of evidence. I am sorry that you weren't able to afford a higher education to develop your analytical reasoning skills, but many high school drop outs like yourself that I have known know the difference between evidence and conspiracy theory. Evidence please
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
@DanMorgan98, LMAO!
1) listen to Engdah's words again, carefully.
(2) re-read all four points that I made earlier from which you made your first 'evidence' response.
(3) learn to read properly, ask questions if need to, then reread my comments, again. lol!
planettan 2 years ago
I can think for myself, thank you. I dont need to listen to conspiracy theorists like Enghdal to get my information because I know how to find and evaluate evidence. Provide evidence for your claims. If you cant, then that means you are lying and that you are a conspiracy theorist. Engdahl is a conspiracy theorist. Think for yourself.
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
@DanMorgan98, you can think, ok fair enough (and I assume you meant you can read as well)
What was my first point? (1)...
planettan 2 years ago
DanMorgan, Engdahl is *hardly* a conspiracy theorist. He's read and analyzed more Anglo-American history than you could ever fathom even considering from behind your little corporate cubicle. Shills like you emphasize "evidence" while defining its parameters to meet your own concocted definitions. Meanwhile, all the evidence of US infiltration of Iran marches right by you...even in US press sources.
giterdun77 2 years ago
DanMorgan, you keep spouting the word "evidence" without knowing what it is in this context. You are the type to have claimed that the '53 CIA-sponsored coup in Iran was lacking evidence, too, and thus was a 'conspiracy theory', but for Albright acknowledging it in the '90s.
giterdun77 2 years ago
1)
Jay could use a quick review of Sadam's relationship with US, then US spent billions to recruite Saddam generals, incited Kurds armed uprising,... WMD, bombed, then Saddam was murdered.
2)
William Engdahl is one of the few thinking Economist who can look from outside of the "US bottle" and see things and events as they happen... Bush spent billions for regime change in Iran, sanctions against Iran still in place
3)
US/UK had been demonizing Iran non-stop
planettan 2 years ago
Excellent!! THAT is how your interview someone!!!
haggsbo 2 years ago
I think what Engdahl is saying is that the Iranian elections took place in the context of US posturing. US planners sent Obama to the middle East to make a lets-be-friends speech just before the elections in Iran which were meant to lend weight to advocates for change (democratic or otherwise) within Iran.
Struckgold 2 years ago
In the1953 CIA iranian coup they paid thousands of Poor Iranians to protest in the streets against the first democratically elected Iranian leader .The CiAs dirty tricks handbook does not rule out doing anything.learn history folks and stop talking out of your ass.The CIA cares nothing about democracy they are the corporate police allowing the plundering by the corporate elite.
stower9 2 years ago 5
You do realize that there is an extensive paper trail backing up this claim? There is not one backing up the claim that the current situation is exogenous.
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
"Paper trail"? Look no further than the recent history of CIA infiltration of Balochistan, Azerbaijan, the Kurdish west of Iran and elsewhere to try and rouse unrest (divide and conquer). Also, observe the State Dept. overtly intervening on Twitter's corporate operations to benefit said rioting in Iran. How many 'dots' does a critical thinking being need?
RevoltAgainstLies 2 years ago
Critical thinking requires the evaluation of evidence. There is no evidence linking the current uprising in Iran to specific meddling by the US. There might, in the future, be evidence that comes to light implicating exogenous interference in Iran's current state, but as of right now none exist. Just because the US has infiltriated and fostered the uprisings of the so called colored revolutions does not mean that it is currently doing so in Iran. In fact, there is no evidence that twitter has...
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
...even been as a substantial factor in fomenting this uprising as has been reported in our press. Correlation does not equal causation.
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
P.S. And again, THERE IS TOO MUCH OIL AND NATURAL GAS IN IRAN FOR WASHINGTON TO IGNORE POTENTIALLY DESTABILIZING RIOTS ALTOGETHER...
giterdun77 2 years ago
Did you listen to the video? The us spent 400 Billion in 2007 to infiltrate Iran & destabalize it politically.....
luckyvet 2 years ago
agreed, giterdum.
The Iranian Militia often use their ability to close the Straits of Hermooz as a verbal weapon.
Not only washington, but the entire world cannot ignore a possible takeover of the Straits of Hermooz. Why does everyone think Washington is God and responsible for everything that happens in the world. it is silly!
The world's economy would be greatly affected if 20% of the world's oil supply was disrupted.
All countries scramble to put a claim on the world's oil reserves.
Clarissa2424 2 years ago
Sorry Dan, but the overwhelmingly conspicuous history of Western intelligence's infiltration into Iran -- again, up to and including recent/current efforts in ethnic Iranian peripheries -- precludes such plausible deniability over potential current involvement vis-a-vis twitter/facebook/youtube, etc. Research Facebook alone and you'll see plenty of CIA cross-pollination (their Board members, technical background, DARPA-connections, etc.).
giterdun77 2 years ago
Seymour hershs article in the 2007 New Yorker"Preparing the Battlefield" made clear there was a CIA destabilization program in Iran going on since at least 2005.this green revolution as its called in Iran is the culmination of CIA destabilaization programs.The CIA repeats what it does over and over again including Domestic propagnda and destabilization.
stower9 2 years ago
or teheran. there's an aspirated h in that motherfucker.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
the primary 'mover' of the iranian crisis is not xenogenic.
it is most importantly the manifestation of inter ruling class conflict and wider, authentic popular resentment.
the CIA did not train a dozen persians to use twitter to start a pseudo-revolution. if it only were that easy.
the CIA supplies arms, intelligence not tweets.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
Exactly. It was not exogenous. There is no evidence to support otherwise.
DanMorgan98 2 years ago
Ok. The interview went astray.
Both sides make different points, without actually coming to a common conclusion or one side expressing it's full view.
The difference of the green revolution to the colored revolutions is in that in Georgia and Ukraine more or less independent presidents were replaced by fully western leaning presidents. Neither Shivardnadze nor Kuchma were actually "pro Russian", but were independent enough to be a "problem" to region's powers.
Iran is 100% internal revolution.
jalexoid 2 years ago
when did Paul Jay get to the guy BEING interviewed?
bvrcrap56 2 years ago
You missed the broader point entirely; the gifference was made clear, as were the self-evident similarities.
flyhead2 2 years ago
Moscow and Beijing are most likely tacitly advising Tehran on tactics and strategies, along with suppressing its riots, Tianamen-style.
RevoltAgainstLies 2 years ago
And watch world war 3 start up and your country completely obliterated. Multi polar worlds and we will continue to have war and death.
Reido2828 2 years ago
wow just glad I had the chance to grow up in N.America during the 1990s. Even western europeans have told me that is perceived as the best place to live. Anyway that's gone, but there always been war. To tell you the truth there hasn't been a war between industrialized nations for a long time. Don't think that will happen anytime soon either.
lordblazer 2 years ago
"Completely obliterated"?!? Please drop the crack pipe before typing. Iran is not Afghanistan, nor Iraq. Obliterating it = taking down quite a few other nations with it, not excluding Israel. A war on Iran is a war against the complete non-alligned world, along with the southern and eastern hemispheres. Ask Moscow, Beijing, Islamabad, Caracas and Abuja for confirmation on that one...
RevoltAgainstLies 2 years ago
8. I'd write more, but I have to go get my paycheck from the CIA and look up my orders on Twitter.
My best to you, Mr Engdahl. I think you're as removed from Iran and trapped in your mindset as people like John 'Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran' McCain and Lindsey 'Let's send them copiers' Graham.
But long live free discourse anyway...
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
7.When you mentioned the nuclear-armed monster on Iran's doorstep, I thought you meant Russia which has been quietly increasing its influence in Iran and engaging in 'security cooperation' (ie training intelligence goons, etc). But no, that was wishful thinking. The only nuclear-armed monsters you see are the US and Israel.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
6. So broad opposition, people from all sectors of society, is a 'perfect inredient for triggering destabilization'? Oh boy, these poor Iranians can't win. If they're broadly represented, then they must be tools of the West. I guess you would prefer that only a small slice of society were represented. That would make things purer. But wait, that's what you claimed earlier. The people demonstrating are just some kids who want jeans. So which is it?
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
5.Yes, Mousavi is no saint. But in a system where candidates are carefully vetted by the Guardian Council, how are people to vote? Should they stay at home (as they have done on many occasions) or go out to vote for the candidate they hope will bring about some reforms? Oh, I forgot, the third option is to become mindless idiots who are manipulated into a color revolution. It no longer matters what Mousavi is, but rather what he represents.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
4. It looks like you have read Seymour Hersh's excellent articles. Yes, the US has very probably encouraged tribal and ethnic conflict in Iran. But could you explain please, how bolstering Jundullah led to mass demonstrations in Tehran and other major cities like Shiraz and Isfahan. You do believe that the unrest is the work of elitists in northern Tehran and other rich parts of other urban centers, don't you?
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
3.Over the years, bloggers, journalists, student leaders, woman's rights campaigners, human rights campaigners... all thrown in jail, some killed. You wouldn't have come across any of these cases in your extensive research on Iran, would you? That adds up to a lot of 'jeans-and-sports-car' envy.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
Mousavi created HEzbolla!!! did you hear that?
ilbacioditosca 2 years ago
2. It couldn't have anything to do with decades of struggle which have produced a vibrant and mature civil society comprising university students and professors, journalists, labor leaders, writers, politicians... No, no. The Tehran transit workers went on strike three years ago? Lackeys of the CIA. Their leader (along with other union officials) thrown in jail where he loses one of his eyes? Righteous punishment for a fool who had already been completely blinded by Western avarice.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
"kinder face of American hegemony, Barack Obama...friendly face in contrast to the Bush years"
exactly!
micahgee 2 years ago
wooo WWIII is comin =D
TheLostRepublic 2 years ago
We are slowly heading towards WW3...
nurbsenvi 2 years ago
Israel is gonna attack Iran and start WWIII
micahgee 2 years ago
Come on where is the "blame israel card " the "real " News always play.
Because they are always to blame.
galuiot 2 years ago
oh shut up
Israel is a rogue, nuclear armed nation based on extremely racist form of Zionism.
micahgee 2 years ago 3
1. A bunch of mindless 'kids under 30' took to the streets, got beaten, got arrested, got killed, because they wanted 'jeans and sports cars'? Those must be pretty fancy jeans and cars. Oh, and don't forget the nightclubs and cocktails they must thirst for. Give me Johnny Walker or give me death! That must be it, because the only smart, freedom-loving person in the world is sitting in Germany and imparting words of wisdom to the rest of us through that tool of imperialism called the Internet.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
Engdahl has more knowledge than you could imagine. Read his book, "A Century of War", to realize how western intelligence basically removed the Shah in favor of Khomeini. Engdahl has access to the type of research most historians would KILL for. Don't rely upon this video alone to size the guy up...
RevoltAgainstLies 2 years ago
Thanks Revolt, I'll check out the book.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
jasperfortescue, you didn't see those Iranians riot like this when oil was at $147 a barrel, did you? No, they only started caring about their 'dictatorial' leadership after oil hit $40/barrel.
Economics dictates politics. People couldn't care less about 'democracy' versus 'totalitarianism' as long as they're well fed. Ask the middle class Chinese about that, who prefer their standard of life to overl-indebted American 'democracy' any day....
giterdun77 2 years ago 2
No Iranians did not turn out in such numbers when oil prices were high. It is true that petro-dictatorships try to buy peace with money (handouts). Furthermore, I don't think Iranians wanted another revolution or more violence. After the 1979 revolution and the Iran-Iraq war, the nation was tired of bloodshed.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
However, you're incorrect in assuming that they did not care about their dictatorial leadership, as you put it. They've tried to peacefully bring about democratic reforms through activism and the ballot box for years. But they have consistently been confronted with inappropriate and disproportionate force by the regime.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
For example, check out the 'campaign for one million signatures' to abrogate gender-discriminatory laws. Dozens of people, mostly women in this case, have been jailed for simply trying to get signatures on a petition. Or check out numerous human rights activists, like Emadeddine Baghi or Fathollah Soltani, jailed, kept in solitary confinement, for simply saying or writing something.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
Or check out very basic labor demands (ie actually getting paid) in the textile industry, in the Haft Tappeh sugar plant (5000 employees), the teachers' marches of last year... Again disproportionate force and threats instead of responding to legitimate demands.
Did the CIA make the Iranian regime treat the people this way. When the people can't get a proper response from their government and they can't bring about reforms through the ballot box or activism, is that because of Western plots?
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
When professors and students are purged, first through something called the Iranian Cultural Revolution, then through government directives, what are they supposed to do? Again, did MI6 create all those discontented people?
Literally dozens of newspapers have been closed and journalists and bloggers have been jailed overthe years. When people can't communicate their thoughts through normal channels, where should they turn to?
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
Dozens of activists, thinkers, and politicians have been murdered over the past 15 years by gon squads which have never been caught. Sorry, one guy, Saeed Emami of the ntelligence Ministry was arrested and conveniently committed suicide in jail. Look up the Chain Murders. Look up Saeed Hajarian, who barely survived an assassination attempt by some Basijis and was arrested after this glorious election and taken to jail in his wheelchair.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
Did the West create this situation? No the regime did.
When the people find no legal avenue to try to peacefully bring about reforms and make simple demands, they will in time take to the streets.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago 2
@jasperfortescue, sounded like you're well informed (from withn the den of the CIA) lol!
...and when the CIA and its operatives completed their studies on the ground to find all possibles discontentments in a targeted country, THE CIA IS PLEASE TO EXPLOITED THE SITUATIONS AND CAUSED BLOODBATH OR CIVIL WARS SO THAT IN THE END THE COUNTRY IS DESTROYED FOR ALL THE SURROUNDING COUNTRIES TO SEE -- THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU DON'T KNEEL TO USA BIG CORPORATIONS.
planettan 2 years ago
Did your 'lol' mean ;) or 'You lackey CIA operative!'
If the latter, then I guess since you're not well-informed then you are not writing from 'within the den of the CIA.' Good for you. And congrats on your use of capital letters. Very impressive. You managed to change my mind with those caps. I'm with you now.
Should I wear a conical hat and a sign around my neck as penitence?
PS Maybe Iran's regime shouldn't create those 'SITUATIONS' so the CIA cannot 'TO EXPLOITED' them.
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
Dear Mr. Engdahl, you seem to believe you are the only smart person in the room. The rest of us are dupes, open to manipulation from the CIA and other perfidious Western cabals. So here are few words of humble criticism aimed at your view of the movement in Iran:
jasperfortescue 2 years ago
what this movement is lacking is organization which it before 79 and upto 81 till the exile of Banisadr the first Iranian president. this is how ukno this movement is the resurrection of the Iranian revolution that has been sleepin for 30 years, this revolution will go on for years if not decades to comes, it will organize and reorganize, like a snow ball released on top of the mountain. + : ppl r united as one ; - : forming on the dead
Ideollogy of Dr. shariati used in 79.
nojanhn 2 years ago
no cherifa 123 , the ppl protesting are not the rich class - I hvae contacted Iran and they told me in sections 1,2 and 3 of Tehran which are the rich areas were little or no movement, the rich ones are usually the organizers tho.
nojanhn 2 years ago
the Intresting part is that, this is like a repeat of the 79 revolution which was mostly established by the lefties,nationalist and Islamic mullas for over 200 years! and you see all theses charechteristics in Musavi. Then funny part is that these ppl know the consiquences of a violent revolution and so thery r trying to deal with it in an Gandhi fasion just like khomeini did.
nojanhn 2 years ago
im an Iranian, grown up there, my dad was a political prisoner at Evin: Iranians don't like amerian plicies, we r very nationalist ppl, the reasone Musavi has become a leader is because he's the Ideal iranian that ppl want to see::: anti-Israeli, nationalist, religouse,against coruption and so on...what is happening here is that Iranians feel like the 79 revolution has been stolen by these foundementalists and here is Musavi "khomeini's favorite" taking it back.
nojanhn 2 years ago
Nojanhn, whether its Ahmadinejad or Mousavi as president, Iranians must show complete Unity in the face of Western designs to destabilize Iran. Tehran must work with Russia, China and the rest of the world to build a multi-polar world. The US and UK want to divide Iran into pieces and take its oil.
RevoltAgainstLies 2 years ago
I watched the whole thing, and I'm left wondering, what's the alternative to the USA acting to maintain control globally?
You can bet your left nut or ovary that neither China nor Russia have anyone's best interests at heart.
These guys offer no solution beyond disengagement, clearly not an option when competing with regimes that don't even have to pay lip service to any democratic or humanitarian ideals.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago
The United States is the biggest human rights violator worldwide bar none.
Military disengagement is the only way to achieve world peace. Starting with the largest nuclear stockpile on Earth.
Analysis is the rough draft for solution.
American Imperialism must end! Thats pretty simple and will be revolutionary is ever voluntarily disbanded.
The US dollar is crumbling, millions of Americas don't have food to eat or any kind of health care in the richest country in the world
micahgee 2 years ago 6
I'm a lefty bro, and we'd likely agree on a great many things. That said I chafe at anyone trusting Russia or China outside of Russians and Chinese.
China is a totalitarian state that has smashed facism and communism together into some mutant creature never seen before.
Be careful what you wish for, a multi-polar world with a mishmash of alliances? Sounds a lot like the set up for WWI to me.
Reading Hobbes leads me to fear uncertainty more than a capricious sovereign.
Peace!
Bunnicula71 2 years ago
don't trust China, Russia but always beware of US intervention.
The US acts like bully of the world, invading other countries, DETAINING and TORTURING innocent people without any form of jury trial.
Your description of WWI is stunningly superficial, European Monarchies with overseas empire ruled the world in tangled set of alliances which is NOTHING like the reality of the 21st century.
So you want a evil dictator? I don't understand your point.
I'm not a lefty or a righty =P just a human
micahgee 2 years ago 2
I find your take on things interesting, and your decorum exemplary.
WWI analogy isn't about the political climate or colonialism, but rather interlocking alliances. It failed to find its mark.
Our record is abominable. We HAVE to stop this sort of thing.
We have to lead, follow, or get out of the way. We have obstructed like mad over the last decade. We can't just be jerks anymore.
This will be a process, like withdrawal.
We cannot, however, just precipitously punk out.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago
Bunnicula, you unfortunately are unaware of the wider aims of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization & BRIC nations, to whom Iran owes increasing allegiance, and whom favor a MULTI-POLAR world free from a brutish US/UK hegemonic rule. The momentum is on the side of these nations, and the US doesn't know what to do about it, so it 'twiters' to try and destabilize Iran when it could be negotiating plainly and openly instead.
RevoltAgainstLies 2 years ago 3
I refer you to my other response to micahgee.
I'm just saying blowback is a bitch. Imagine a wonded floundering USA feeling beset on all sides by enemies. In that situation the world would see what the US Navy alone could really do under some new GOP douchebag.
The USA has 10 Carrier Strike Groups, each capable of kicking the shit out of any whole navy outside of Britain or maybe France. That's something nobody talks about or seems to get.
The disparity in pojectable power is sick.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago
"That's something nobody talks about or seems to get."
Yes your right, but it also comes at a cost of over 1 trillion dollars per year to maintain such dominance. We spend more money than the rest of the world combined on our military.
Its breaking the back of the American Economy. The Iraqi War cost over a trillion dollars even by conservative estimates.
The world is already multipolar, the US still is holding on to its empire, which is slipping away with the value of the dollar. US is broke
micahgee 2 years ago
True, we need to put the pipe down, but we can't do it all of a sudden or without help.
The USA is addicted to this mode, both culturally and economically, thus it will be hard. I am wary of doing anything rash. I'm all for a structured withdrawal from the entire damn world, save some of the unpopulated islands.
And the Iraq War was a cluster-F I protested big time, before and during.
The intertwining of religion and military is big to about 30% of our population. . . scary.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago
did you know there was a file about how much they spent on nukes... you want to know how much it went up to... ill give you a hint... it starts with the number 30... and ends with the word trillion
n8iveidiot13 2 years ago
Bunnicula, sure, the US Navy could demolish any *one-off* navy. But the SCO/BRIC alliances connote an eventual bond amongst *many* forces - Russian, Chinese (they're already conducting multiple, joint military exercises), Paki, Brazilian, Venezuelan, Iran, pan-African, Indian, etc. We, the UK & Israel would be fighting THE WORLD, basically. And as Micahgee articles, that's all assuming that THE WORLD will fund our wanting to do any 'shit kicking' in the first place...
RevoltAgainstLies 2 years ago
The REAL problem here is the cultural addiciton of the American people to military power. It is like a drug addiction, and we're a democratic republic. Americans cannot put that pipe down in numbers sufficient to end this nonsense.
That said, it may be impossible under our system of gov't to end our imperialism quickly. Democracy is theoretically awesome, however, if the electorate is 50% stupid, it yields problems. The US electorate has proven its at least 50% stupid at every turn.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago 2
"It's green, it's a color" does this moron realise that green is the color of the 1979 revolution? That Mousavi was one of the original revolutionaries from 1979? That the green revolution is FAR from being pro-western? That it is strictly a revolution to return Iran to the original ideas of 1979? He might know a lot about the Pentagon, CIA and White House whish-list but he doesn't CARE enough to learn about Iran...
magiorey 2 years ago
Sneaky crooks in power, sigh
Stop straying away from the Truth, human rights, fairness, justice, and all that "good stuff".
cool70200 2 years ago
I think the guy Paul interviewed made some good points...Keeping Ahmadinejad in power does serve the pentagon's imperial ambitions more than mousavi does...mousavi would be a road block for their long term plans. Although there is a legitamate movement of Iran's youth against the clerics...something I think Paul was so fustratingly trying to get across.
kanani717 2 years ago 3
And what's so bad with Hezbollah? apart from being religious nuts (90% of US is deluded too ) they are freedom fighters
yearight1970 2 years ago 2
Very good interrogation of the thinking of the author, I'd like to hear more extended interviews like this. As interesting as this was, I think it's still just scratching the surface, so keep up the good work and thank you for The Real News.
Aiden057 2 years ago
Paul destroyed William in this interview. Obliterated. William argues that the military industrial complex still applies. True. Every nation seeks power. The point is - by what means do they seek power? Is it through legitimate means or through illegitimate means. Bolstering the UN, in my opinion, is in the interests of the US as its de facto leader.
However, it does not explain the Iranian riots. The US impact was negligable. Twitter did not cause the revolution but webovized it.
7jerryv7 2 years ago
the UN is the de facto leader of the US? What are you talking about? You are either ignorant or are not articulating your point....how does paul destroy william? By suggesting the CIA is less involved in Iran than he thinks? Its clear that the CIA is involved to some degree - saying the protesters don't think thats the case as an argument for the absence of the CIA is dumb...of course they dont know - that is the pooint of a color revolution - paul makes the best point at 11:20
alexn159 2 years ago 2
Actually, I ment the the US is the de facto leaderof the UN.
The CIA is not involved. This would be counter-productive.
And yes, Paul does obliterate Wililam. Very clearly.
7jerryv7 2 years ago
youre right, the CIA is not involved, AT ALL lol
alexn159 2 years ago 2
You can, of course, provide evidence?
7jerryv7 2 years ago
I think this guy may be a bit lost in the clouds
James112212 2 years ago
Great Show! Many great points made, counter points etc. Good commentary that isn't afraid of controversy.
millamulisha 2 years ago 5
How about if the blue jeans is something they cannot afford - having to save the dollars for diapers and basic food?
This freedom is not con-sumer-ism. I believe those blue-jeans protesters are just naturally greedy sellouts.
startxxx1991 2 years ago
This guy is just one of those nwo nuts,who just can't except that iranian people had enough and now there revolting.
global2012 2 years ago
True. This was a worthless interview. He has a basic understanding of world politics but what his book or arguments contributes beyond the basics is not clear.
7jerryv7 2 years ago
yeah it was like even though paul was trying to bring him around to the idea that these people might just be revolting.the other guy kept on bringing it around to the same point of it some government stirring the pot.he couldn't just take the iranian revolution for what it was.he kept on saying it's going to endup bringing some diffrent interpretation of democrazy and that this revolution is not genuine.idk the dude really annoyed me.
global2012 2 years ago
agreed global! I have never heard such bull as this guy. enough. I agree with you.
Clarissa2424 2 years ago
So who the hell are we supposed to believe? Pepe or this guy??
joshv89 2 years ago
I never seen eyes that green
bongoss0022 2 years ago
to hell with israel and their terrorist motivations.. if they attack iran unprevoked i hope russia and not iran wipes them off the map.
navtel 2 years ago
This guy has a better grasp on things than Pepe.
numpty1972 2 years ago
Kids under 30?