Bush robbed Americans....Obama is cleaning is mess up. It take more then 4 years to clean up a mess that occured for 8 years.
The top 1% are scared Americans may get their country back and will lie through their teeth to do it, including stating that the recent mess is Obama....haha. Wars, deregulation of the housing market, and Bush tax cuts for the rich........all Bush. Congrats Republicans, now the Dems have to clean it up.
Everyone knows it takes time to clean up a mess and Bush's 8 years of money to the top 1%(Bush tax cuts) and the fall of the housing market (deregulation, so every Joe, Harry, and Sally could get a loan on zero income) is just the chickens coming home to roost. Dont' forget about spending Trillions in war, so the defense companies and oil companies(Cheney board member of Halliburton) could make a profit at tax payers expense. It took 8 years to make the mess it will take at least 8 to fix it.
@VictorsValiant I'm not a Bush fan... but, I think you need to learn a little more about the taxes, the housing bubble, spending... really, everything you just said.
The sad truth is, the Idiot Cowboy did throw it into hyper drive and off a cliff, but this upside-down funnel with a vacuum attached dates back 30+ years.
lol! I've always said, the reason FNC's ratings are so high is because their demographic likes to hear what the want to hear. MSNBC viewers will take MSNBC over FNC, but understand that it's ALL bullshit, so you need multiple sources lmao.
The only GOP candidate even worth talking about is Ron Paul. But because he doesn't play ball and do what he's told like the rest of the GOP talking heads he is silenced by the media... too bad really, he's the only one who has any idea what he's talking about
Obama has a chance to win in 2012. Unless Ron Paul is nominated, I honestly think he's the only one who could defeat Obama and that'd probably be a close election. Sarah Palin would lose in a landslide. I have no faith in Romney because he has been known to cut people off from large corporations. If everybody is thinking the Republicans will do a better job, ur dreaming. If you don't believe me, vote them in and let's see what happens.
@IrishMinja Well, I have ZERO faith in the Republicans right now. Question in 2012 is do we reelect Mr.Obama for 4 more years to try and fix the problem up or do we give the financial mess back to the people who started it?
@preving Currently, the top two Republican Candidates running for president have far more ,,, Actually, they Have Experience in Finance, whereas, mr oblama has ZERO Experience in Finance. In Fact, Mr Oblama has no experience in; 1) Budgeting 2) Finance 3) Businesses - Large or Small 4) State's Rights 5) DOD 6) National Guard 7) Foreign Affairs 8) Health Care 9) Medicine/Medical Field 10) Military Matters 11) Science & Technology 2) Research & Development. He does BULLSHIT well.
@Unklebillybob I like Herman Cain. He's got some excellent ideas of all the candidates on the GOP side. Question is will they nominate him and not base him on his skin color. Cain 2012.....
@preving Any of the top 3 Republican Candidates would do a better job than mr oblama. Wait, wait, wait..... Most of them would do a better job than oblama.
I don't think anyone *wants* the space program cut- but it just costs too much right now. Maybe Russia will beat us to something. They beat us with Sputnik; then we beat them to the moon and beyond. We'll be back.
But from 2001-07, the GOP controlled all 3 branches- and two very poorly managed and perhaps unnecessary wars were started, banks were obscenely deregulated, and ZERO bills were vetoed by Bush. Only one two-term president had fewer vetoes than Bush- George Washington!
Do you think he'd be cutting the space program if we weren't in a budget crisis? And frankly I've always viewed this blind allegiance to Israel to be a bad thing, so....
Obama could be better- but I really think the blame belongs in Congress for ALL of this.
Things aren't improving- but it's quite a mess. And Congress has been out to get him from the start and have fought him fervently at every turn. I'm not saying he's great- but to say he's the worst is a complete joke.
Ok so, Obama spending money in an effort to stave off the crisis that he is not responsible for makes him worse than the Presidents who preceded Lincoln who essentially allowed the Civil War to happen if they didn't hasten it. Ooooookay.
hannity is just a shill just like obama... both right and left.. its all a ploy to trap you into a police state where the powers of government swing back and forth like a pendulum,..
Obama didn't create any of the mess we're in- how in the hell is the WORST PRESIDENT EVER?!?
So Fillmore, Pierce, and Buchanan.... Who literally allowed the United States to rip in half.... Over SLAVERY... Not as bad as Obama. lol fucking morons.
@xaadim1 Obama only prolonged the problem. He in no way fixed it. He just was lucky to be in office when we killed Osama. Obama should get no credit, for Bush and the navy seals hard fought victory. Especially since his actions hindered our soldiers, seals included.
No, Obama is NOT the worst president in US history. Being the president during a recession does not make one the worst president ever. The worst president ever, was Buchanan, who failed to save our country from the chaos that led to the problems that started the civil war.
I don't like that no one knows about his past. He won't let Columbia college release his record. No one from his graduating class knows him and he wasn't in the year book. Also he was not born in hawaii he was born in Africa. Also he was not quailified for the position. He seemingly came out of no where. And the only reason people voted for him was cause he is black. That is the sad truth. I think he is a good speaker and a smart man but I don't think he was the right
@molosgaming Wait, you know for a fact that he was born in Africa? Interesting...I wish I had psychic ability. I'm gonna borrow a notion from Jon Stewart and ask, are you pro-life? Do you believe a fetus is a human being? "He seemingly came out of no where." That's funny, because there's a whole army of teabaggers and dissentful conservatives ready to vote for ANYONE as long as it isn't Obama.
@777Herbs oh and Bush is 10,000 times better than Obama. The media cut bush down to pieces which is cruel and unfair. Yes he wasn't the best president but Obama is absolutely the worst.
Obama is the most evil false and most pathetic president in the history of our country(worse than jimmy e. Carter) and is nothing more than a communist Muslim who wants nothing else but to see our country be in ruins!!!!!
Bush isnt even CLOSE to the worst president of all time. He isnt anywhere near the best, but he certainly isnt the worst. Obama was ranked in the top 15 best presidents by some polls which is REDICULOUS! If you add 5 trillion dollars to our debt, you should be dead last. PERIOD. But of course, all you liberals who worship michael moore dont believe there even IS a debt, do you?
Bo doesn't think America's anything special. No really, he doesn't. Quote: "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." In other words: everybody's special. Tell your friend that, with his Barney the Dinosaur egalitarian worldview of everybody being special, Obama ought to be a kindergarten teacher, leading the kids in non-competitive, non-judgmental songs, not the leader of the free world
So true. With our country in major debt and that bull shit SOCIAL SECURITY people my age and younger are screwed. I agree obama is the worst prez ever. What has he done for us? He is supposed to be a leader. He is supposed to make this country better. He has done nothing of the sort so far however. I miss BUSH
@thefourthonexxx If there's any reason Obama hasn't done enough is because he tries to make compromises with the Republicans, who lay out some requisites for him, and when he has those requisites, lay out a whole new set. With his policies right now, Obama is a right wing president. So I would agree, he's doing a bad job. He's not left wing enough.
@VexonCross People like you make me laugh, if Obama was successfully doing all he said he would do, you would call him a left wing democratic president. Since he is doing poorly you call him a right wing president? The man is a clear cut socialist democrat, and democrats voted for him stop shifting the guilt. Had he been part of the republican party and had i voted for him, i would have said he was a bad republican president like Bush for example.
@jstealth89 I´m not calling him right wing because he's not succesfull in carrying out what most of America voted for, I'm calling him right wing because he goes out of his way to try to make the rest of America not hate him. And that means he has to try real hard not to look like a socialist, and of course seeing as most of America hasn't got a blind clue what socialism is, he's not going to do a good job at convincing them, so he just has to keep moving to the right in the name of compromises.
He IS the worst president ever! This guy is the most corrupt, destructive, dishonest, most radical leader this country has ever had. I'm ashamed to call that man my president.
@CarlChub There are certain forms of bribes that are not illegal but should be. We gave money to over 10 corporations in a huge bailout at your expense but you're ok with it? It didn't have anything to do with a government being bought? Are you insane? It seems more like you want to run from the topic. Why is the government not making insurance regulations tighter rather than the regulations for us tighter. Eh? Suddenly you have to buy a plan and have to get taxed for better ones.
@crazypostalbob Ok you dumb as hell moron. I didn't lie. You need to quit that shit immediately. They were bribed by funds that maintained their position. You call it a contribution, I call it a bribe. It was not a lie. Grow the hell up. Go vote for a republican in your democrat state. You need it. Just like that Ben Quayle guy shouldn't have won in his republican state. You're ignoring shit for the sake of it. Also: Don't argue about what you meant with Hoover. You're bad at it.
Hipster - side note: I actually didn't say you watched msnbc and CNN I said programs "like". I would have dropped it but you were wrong. I didn't say you listened to those programs. Good times.
Hipster - god I don't know where to start. I said programs like CNN and msnbc who believe thing such as and listed items. I didn't lie. You are democrat. I didn't lie. You did say Hoover was depression boy by your own admission that is blaming him .and saying something about hannity is not commenting on the good aspects of republican politics.
@hipstermi Ok moron: First, if I was wrong about you, that isn't a lie. Second of all: That means the only things I've lied about are items with you, which you've done to me. God complex much? Now moving on: You clearly are listening to the wrong sources. The CNN and MSNBC were two that it could be.
@hipstermi Moving on: YOU DID CONNECT HOOVER TO THE GREAT DEPRESSION OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CALLED HIM DEPRESSION BOY. STOP BACK TRACKING. Why else would you connect "depression" with "hoover" eh? Moron.
"YOU DID CONNECT HOOVER TO THE GREAT DEPRESSION OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CALLED HIM DEPRESSION BOY. STOP BACK TRACKING."
1. Typing in all caps make you look like a screaming child.
2. Yes he's connect to the Depression, and nothing in your statement is "cause the depression" . His failure as a Prez or even to act .... worsened the situation.
@hipstermi "= 2. Yes he's connect to the Depression, and nothing in your statement is "cause the depression" . His failure as a Prez or even to act .... worsened the situation."
Look at number 2. You link him to the depression. He did not worsen the situation. Keeping the longest recession in U.S. history is worsening it. Which FDR did. Look up spending and the effects on the recession. Technically doing nothing is the best thing.
"Look at number 2. You link him to the depression. He did not worsen the situation. Keeping the longest recession in U.S. history is worsening it. Which FDR did"
Wow...you are really dumb.
AGAIN- the point I made was Hoover was "worse than Obama"
You countering with "FDR did..." is unrelated. It really seem to translate to you is "whah! Democrats did worse!"
and yes, Hoover is far worse than Obama...not to mention scandal ridden Harding and Grant.
@hipstermi Hoover and FDR are pretty much synonymous: Extremists in a partisan war time period. FDR is one of the worst presidents we have had. So is Hoover. Obama is as well. Hoover is better than Obama. He didn't bailout the people who bankrupted us. He didn't put in place healthcare giving money to insurance companies by mandating insurance and not regulating the insurers while setting up subsidies to give them regular american's money from their health plan taxes.
@hipstermi Bring it. Dumbass. Why don't you tell me your opinion on Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Al Franken, and the democrats that I listed earlier and their votes to do with issues. You never directed that by the way. This is insane. You try to label label label. Partisan moron. Get off the page and go vote democrat the whole way through. Partisan crap created our current mess.
@hipstermi You make the terms of my words and then label them as lies. That's great. Really rich. I love it. Your are partisan. So you're a dumbass. That's all there is too it. If Bush did this crap you WOULD NOT support it. End of story. Obama also is the only president in U.S. history to order the assassination of a U.S. citizen taking advantage of the patriot act. OOOOPS AGAIN!!! Something that even the fear of it happening with Bush was corrupt. Was it ok because it was obama?
@hipstermi Ok you dumb as hell moron. I didn't lie. You need to quit that shit immediately. They were bribed by funds that maintained their position. You call it a contribution, I call it a bribe. It was not a lie. Grow the hell up. Go vote for a republican in your democrat state. You need it. Just like that Ben Quayle guy shouldn't have won in his republican state. You're ignoring shit for the sake of it. Also: Don't argue about what you meant with Hoover. You're bad at it. I missed this...
@hipstermi La la la, having fun yet? Cowardice is relying on one party to save your pathetic ass. Cowardice is relying on any party. You want my thoughts? People like you ruin this world. You label this and label that. You don't talk people. You don't talk votes. You don't talk democrats against abortion (oh no religious zealots!). You don't talk issues. You talk crap. We shouldn't have a party system. And you...well you are just pathetic.
@hipstermi My God, the fact that you missed the bailout is insane. You missed that Ben Bernanke was in place during Bush is an insult. By the way : He's STILL in charge of banking decisions. Wow! Change you can believe in! Eh? You need to change to independant rather than democrat. It's the only way to show non partisan bias. Also: Obama is number two for donations Dodd is number 1 by over 10 times the normal contribution. They were bribed.
yeah...this is the part where you try to justify it, or pretend it wasn't "deliberate" or start screaming like a child again because someone calls out your "independent " (aka poorly disguised conservative assholism)
@hipstermi Hey bud, Obama and Dodd received the most campaign contributions by far. Then he bailed them out. You missed what the bailout was. You claim lie out the kazoo like a baby. Those comments were side by side because they were linked. They were linked as proof to Obama bailing out companies he was in league with.
@hipstermi I love you. You call everything a lie premptively. Black and white is what the world is eh? Democrat or republican? Bet you didn't know there are states where democrats are conservative. Bet you didn't know there are democrats against abortion. AnThe religious zealot connection? Do you have any idea how many democrats are Christian? By the way...Guess my religion? Guess my ideology? You called me conservative! YOU'RE A LIAR!!! Lol that is me acting like you. I'm agnostic.
@hipstermi Do I really need to make you look like an idiot further? You came on here debating with people you saw is the lesser people. Am I an Asshole to you? Yes. Because you came on here looking to dominate and found an agnostic, liberal, Independant. You don't know my ideals. When it comes to practicality most Obama's programs are either conservative Bush renamed programs or government take overs. There is no middle ground. And the liar thing...Lol, call me conservative again liar!
@crazypostalbob And you think he's not the worst president, not even close? No other president bailed out the major companies who destroyed the economy. No other president mandated insurance while taking money from "cadillac plans" from normal American. If he's not in bed with the insurance companies why the @#$#@ did he not regulate their earnings? He regulated us though. Regulated us into buying the money and took money from our plans to pay the insurance companies more.
@hipstermi Ooooh, so now we're debating what "responding is". With those numbers he actually responded in less than 4 days by some points of view. By the max it's 9 days. Obama took months. You're arguing over semantics and labeling it a lie? Yet another coward attempt. It wasn't a lie. You need to quit that shit.
@hipstermi Regulating insurers regarding a few issues is not regulating. If you noticed I'm in the insurance field. I know health care regulations. You'll cry about the no restrictions on pre-existing conditions. (In fine print it says if you have been denied by X amount of carriers in x amount of months, just like a standard policy it's wording pretty much guarantees you'll die before you get coverage, just like 65 was the average life expectancy when FDR signed social security into place.
@hipstermi AWWW poor hipster, is everything ok because it's Obama doing it now instead of Bush? Does that comfort you? Do you need a box of tissues from the Republican butt hurt? Poor baby.
@hipstermi Blue dogs, RHINOS, Yellow dogs, votes in general. By the way: The same party you call "religious zealots" and that liberals call "racist" started the civil rights bill of 1957 and also had a higher percentage of their party (they were a minority at the time so you have to compare %'s not numbers) vote for the civil rights bill of 1964. Yet another oops of your perfect civil rights activist caring party. That ain't that long ago bud.
@crazypostalbob yes but at the time those people were very different. both parties went through a flip flop of values around the time of JFK. so in retrospect the republicans of that time would be considered democrats of today if you went by values alone. and even THEN northern Repugs in 1957 were so against giving blacks rights that they set a record for filibustering it its around the time that he switched parties that Repugs became the bigot party it is today.
@hipstermi Please educate yourself, grow up, learn the PEOPLE to vote for and against, and then come back. When you eliminate the words "conservative" and "republican" and then instead talk about PEOPLE and VOTES I might listen to what you have to say. Idiot.
""You did say Hoover was depression boy by your own admission that is blaming him"
You seem to want to argue for sake of argue. EXPLAIN your accusation. If I wanted to say he caused the Depression I would say so.
You LIED and can't even fes up to it...or admit you were wrong. You seem to have a "problem" with that. Newsflash- you don't know my thoughts, so quit being such an ass.
@crazypostalbob I didn't run from the topic. A good example of democrat policies: The economy collapses, we give money to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, bonuses to AIG and Chevrolet etc. Lehman Brothers did not receive funds. They also didn't give campaign funds. We made a mandate to give insurance companies more money, and have everyone insured. At the same time government subsidy money will now go to insurers, which comes from taxing normal plans. Republicans don't programs like that.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Hannity is a MORON!!!!!!! Obama the worst? Seriously, afyer he inherited the worst economic crisis since the great depression from Dumbya. The worst presidents were Andrew Johnson, James Buchanon, Millard Fillmore, Frankiln Pierce and George W. Bush.
@mr19932001 Point out how Bush caused the recession. Then look up New York times 2003 article on his proposed changes to the market regarding new regulations. It was blocked by democrats when it finally came up in 2004 by McCain when it was too late Also: I'm an insurance agent. Try writing insurance in Alaska. The regulations are tight, and they are good. Washington is a liberal state with less regulations. So if you say "deregulation" is what republicans do you're wrong.
@mr19932001 Furthermore: The democrats wanted these loans and said they were fine. Look it up on youtube, when the republicans started attacking bad loans, the democrats clearly said that we were "performing heart surgery" on a system that didn't need it. And they would "like to say they weren't mad at republicans" for questioning the financial soundness, but they were. Also Al Franken commenting "I see nothing that raises financial soundness problems". Jesus. Do your homework.
@mr19932001 A system giving out too much entitlement leniency or assistance to the middle class doesn't sound anything at all like a republican system That's what caused the collapse of the housing industry and what caused the ultimate collapse when it came to the insurance on those loans. Fannie Mae insured the loans Freddie Mac gave them. I doubt you know how it works. Both those programs that started this started with Clinton and democrat support and no coincidence were also bailed out.
Hipster: Insulting Reagan, a moderate who was once democrat is stupid. As for Hoover please. FDR was just as bad. Hoover didn't cause the great depression. That's impossible for one man. The great depression lasted longer than any recession on FDR and democrat congress watch. They lengthened it. Canada cut spending in the 90's and had a surplus. Europe is doing it now. FDR and Obama spent more. Come on, look up the history of recessions and spending.
"Insulting Reagan, a moderate who was once democrat is stupid"
The point was "is Obama the worst President" so naming a President who armed terrorists is hardly "stupid".
"Hoover please. FDR was just as bad"
Which has zilch to do with Hoover being "worse" than Obama. You look kind of stupid now for not keeping up.
We could talk about Nixon's failed war efforts, how his policies hurt the economy well into the 80s and oh yeah...is disgraceful resignation for the nation.
@hipstermi Seriously? What part of my war effort being approved by Obama did you not read? If you're trying to make the case for REGAN being one of the worst by comparing one issue, then good job. You're completely inept at debating. Regan was a moderate.
Uh. You are the one who brought up Hoover historically causing the depression. You might want to look up the three branches of government. Hoover could not have possibly caused the great depression.
" You're completely inept at debating. Regan was a moderate."
The point was "Obama = worst President" \I brought up Reagan, who was...a PRESIDENT. His party or your opinion on his moderate stance is irrelevant. If one said "Carter was worse than Obama" that would also be an valid reply.
In your conservative rage, you seem unable to stay on topic or even grasp what the debate is about.
". You are the one who brought up Hoover historically causing the depression. You might want to look up the three branches of government"
You flat out lied again.
I did not claim Hoover "caused" the depression. I challenge you to find a quote that says such. I did call him "Depression Boy" When you can't find the quote, the mature thing to do is admit you were wrong and apologize.
Why is it you conservatives resort to these dishonest tactics in debates?
@hipstermi First of all: You started the discrediting label crap with Hannity. Deal with it. I responded. Your dishonest tactics tend to come back to bite you. Second of all: If you label "conservative" with another dichotomy you are clearly proving how partisan you are. Third of all: Did I not say I am an indpendant? Fourth of all: So you did not make an implication about Hoover's role in the depression? Wow. You really are dishonest. Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't wrong.
@hipstermi And also "Flat out lied again" typical liberal. Label your opponent as a liar, what did I lie about "again" and what did I lie about before? That's dishonest debating tactics. I called you an idiot. I questioned your knowledge. I questioned your facts. I only qustioned your character when you questioned mine. You need to back off. You're debating with an independant whose only goal is to expose your partisan nature. You're doing a good job of that by the way.
I was very clear in pointing out your lies. You, with great conservative anger authority, declared I listened to MSNBC. You didnt ask...you accused. That was a lie.
It wasn't true, and I would know more than you. So it was a lie on your part.
@hipstermi Also: A president is graded by what he puts in place that effects the nation. The very reason for FDR's failure was social security (rather than a middle ground republican democrat program like a 401k program that was mandated publicly and traded privately, thus the funds can bankrupt the NATION.) If you want to debate the permanent effect of FDR vs Hoover, guess who put in place permanent effects? FDR. Obama is doing the same with Health Care.
"Also: A president is graded by what he puts in place that effects the nation. The very reason for FDR's failure"
What does any of this have to do with the statment I made that Hoover was much worse than Obama? You know...like that terpy wuss in the video claimed "Obama was worst President".
Also...why didn't you comment on your inability to stay on topic as I proved?
@hipstermi This healthcare issue will increase the deficit. More spending and entitlement programs cannot balance a budget. Private debt does not stack up public debt. People can go bankrupt from not passing health care. Individually. It doesn't effect our whole nation's budget. A public program can bankrupt the entire nation through collective failure Putting in place a permanent program which will increase our spending when we are already going bankrupt? That is public debt. Seriously.
@hipstermi You have not one clue what you are talking about, and you are talking catch phrases 101 from a liberal mind that has been brainwashed. I could just as easily talk about Clinton when it came to weapons and North Korea. Do you want to go there? Do you even know? You are idiotic. Get off the page.
Why is it that Nixon spying on democrats (due to parnoia) is "disgraceful" and liberals "spying" on republicans and reporting, as well as wiki leaks, makes those media folk people who are "trying to bring out the truth"?
You really are polarized. I'm attacking your liberal traits because that's all you have. Serioulsy. List me one thing you agree with republicans on. List a republican ideal from now to 1950 that you agreed with.
"is it that Nixon spying on democrats (due to parnoia) is "disgraceful"
Plenty of what vile Dick "I hate Jews" Nixon did was disgraceful, not just that one act.
Still, you are being deceptive. Nixon didn't just "spy"- he lied, obstructed justice, employed criminal G. Gordon Liddy (Firebombings, attempted murder, kidnappings)
Love his later quote "When the President does it, it's not illegal". Should have inserted "conservative" right before President.
"You really are polarized. I'm attacking your liberal traits because that's all you have."
That's a lie on your part.
"List me one thing you agree with republicans on"
As a gun owner, I am not for so much gun regulations. I think the best gun "control" is effective education and info- gun safety classes, EASY to find gun laws & regulations in print & web, etc.
What about YOU answering the same question about Democrat ideas now?
@hipstermi Oh and regarding my worker's compensation comment, which was hard to post due to space:
THEY REFUSED TO RELEASE THEIR RATES AT THE NORMAL TIME OF YEAR UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION AS IT MIGHT "ALTER THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION" AND THEN THE RATES WENT UP.
So they didn't want us to know how they were performing until after they tried to scare us into believing that ALLOWING competition would somehow destroy one of the only THREE states that do it. The other 47 STATES are just fine.
@hipstermi I would post the link showing the contributions but it won't let me. Security likely. And again: You are listening to the wrong sources, so my comment about the type of people you listen to was not a lie. Also: Lies must be knowingly done. Look up the definition. Otherwise it is an error. Typical crap from a partisan indoctrinated follower. When I say typical for a liberal...What i mean is typical for a PARTISAN liberal.
@hipstermi Being bought out in the form of campaign contributions isn't a bribe? Funny....Last time I checked democrats call wolf on republicans for receiving high contributions from oil companies...
@hipstermi Haha I love you. You're so easy to get going. Now I've done 3 lies, because, because I said what you're saying! Typical partisan tactic. Make a comment on Hoover, pretend it wasn't what you said. Miss what the bailout was about, when I call you on Obama taking an action to give "entitlement money" to the rich (hmm something you said the republicans did but can't back up how) you suddenly call me a liar because of how I said you missed it. Very persuasive. Idiot.
@hipstermi And when I say "technically doing nothing is the best action" I say that because research shows that in almost all circumstances cutting spending reduces the length of a recession where as spending increases it. There is nothing whatsoever to show that Hoover's failure to act lengthened the recession. There is historical evidence regarding spending to prove FDR lengthened it.
@hipstermi It's nice to watch the world flip flop. The bailout was a montrousity when Bush thought it up. Then suddenly since Obama signed it into play it was success! Aghanistan and Iraq were failures. Until Obama used the same withdrawal time frame as Bush. Bush was a green failure! Until Obama passed less strict emission requirements! The patriot act was a monstrousity, until Obama decided to resign it with new internet regulations proposed to take away freedoms further. OOPS!!!
@hipstermi Oh...first it was a "bribe" (illegal) and now you changed your story to "contributions" (legal) you are being deceptive here.
In the "real world" not all bribes are illegal. In insurance you are allowed to give a "referral fee" of 25 dollars per auto client. That is a bribe. Campaign funds to get elected in the tune of hundreds of thousand dollars to democrats as a whole is by no means a small contribution. It's a bribe. Black and white, but no real world experience eh?
@hipstermi "Oh...first it was a "bribe" (illegal) and now you changed your story to "contributions" (legal) you are being deceptive here."
Side comment: If I'm being deceptive then so are democrats. They use the same play. "Our contributions have nothing to do with why we are bailing them out. What? When we gave those bonuses to AIG we had too!!! By the way Bush's economic failures won't be repeated but we're keeping Ben Bernanke." Lol Independants think you dems are idiots right now.
@hipstermi Lol seriously, what do you have to say about my most recent comments? If it were republicans do you have any idea what the world would say? They'd go pitch forks to the capital. Also: It took Bush 4 days to respond to Katrina...It took Obama over several months to respond to the oil spill. Another double standard...
@crazypostalbob yeah i remember when he sent an army of lawyers and a whole host of people who had no knowledge of oil spill or otherwise...nice of him not to talk to the ceo of BP for awhile as well....
Hipster: I never said my party. "don't listen to faux news!" is pathetic. How about debating facts? Time magazine wrote an article in 2003 regarding Bush's changes to home loans. Thing is democrats blocked it. 2005 John McCain started famous debates where democrats said "financial soundness" was what we had and "operating a heart surgery" on a system that didn't need change was what republicans. But since fox news reported on it, it must be a lie, time magazine must have lied too.
@hipstermi Hey kiddo: For you it's pertinent because that IS all you listen to and BECAUSE you labeled a person on who to listen to start. I replied. That's not contradictory. The only programs on CNN and MSNBC that list the facts you listed are ones that do lie. You do need to stop listening to one source. I don't. Trying to discredit me rather than my arguments is also childish. I've listed about 50 facts. Debate them.
@hipstermi And further: ---- Stop watching CNN and MSNBC where they lie to you and try making the republicans look like stupid ignorant old men" --- Kind of implies "WHERE" is a place in CNN and MSNBC. It kind of implies...Facts. Gasp. Maybe it told you to stop listening to cannon fodder. I'm just reemphasizing my last post. You are listening to the bad parts of these stations.
I sometimes CNN and very rarely watch MSMBC. Like to read more news.
Curious...why did you feel the need to lie about me so?
But with your self righteous attitude...if you do any of these, will you stop watching Fox, listening to fatass Rush, right wing talk shows in general, and other conservative idiots? If you go...stop going to church as well given that conservative bullshit they brainwash you with idiotic stories of magical powers.
@hipstermi I accidentally replied to myself on one regarding why Obama is bad. He did receive bribes from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He did bail them out. The contributions he received were over 10 times that of others. He appointed people to positions who were once the owners of banks he bailed out. Quantitive easing he is appointing the same people. He's giving money to and giving power to the people who @%@ed you over and bankrupted us. No president has done this kind of crap.
Just occurred to me my wording was poor let me reiterate again ---- Stop watching CNN and MSNBC where they lie to you and try making the republicans look like stupid ignorant old men" ---
Where means not a place, but rather what you are listening to. So the phrase means, stop listening to the lies on MSNBC and CNN which refer to republicans as stupid old men. If you listen to THOSE facts on CNN, you're listening to the wrong facts. Now that should be clearer.
@hipstermi Now why are they the wrong facts to listen to? Because they are polarized and are likely manipulated. Especially if they refer to republicans and label them. The fact is: Hannity and O'reilly do state good things about dems sometimes. There are people on CNN and MSNBC (and you) that don't say a single good thing about republicans and refer to them as the scourge of the earth. That's impossible. It's statistically impossible. Yet your partisan crap clearly points to that.
@hipstermi Hipster: There's a reason your party lost the independants this round. I sound like a republican because right now you guys lost the independants. I don't like Palin. I don't like Ben Quayle. I don't like Harry Reid because he lied about supporting the war and healthcare issues. I don't like Nancy Pelosi for her partisan politics in California. Al Franken was a part of the housing crises, which more democrats caused than republicans.
@hipstermi So on to the things I like about democrat politics: We need programs. What I don't like: In Washington they refused to release worker's compensation rates (which they make monopolistic in this state, literally a form of non-competitive communism) before the vote to see if we should allow insurance companies to compete. By the way: Our state has the highest pension rate and the premiums are up to 400% the amount of non-monopolistic states. Virgina switched and never switched back
@hipstermi Now why am I listing this? It's my real experience in Washington state, the epitome of liberal. This is what I do not like. What do I not like about republicans? Well, I won't even say war, considering the democrats have an EQUAL history in Iraq when it came to votes...So I can proceed to say I don't like republicans on SOME VERY SPECIFIC medical issues like the HPV vaccination block a few years back. However, they gave more money for AIDS foundations than Obama.
"don't like republicans on SOME VERY SPECIFIC medical issues like the HPV vaccination block a few years back"
The same GOP who pushed dumbass "abstinence only" (due to Jesus) programs, including in Africa? How much more disease did that cause? A major flaw of the GOP is being hijacked by religious zealots.
@hipstermi Moving on to why the comment about programs that are permanent define a presidency: Hoover didn't put any in that could bankrupt a nation as a result of collective non productive individuals. FDR did. Obama put in place a health care plan which is a level of government intervention we shouldn't have. Mandating insurance HELPS insurance companies. The question is which insurance companies bribed Obama. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac DID get bailed out and gave HUGE amounts to him.
@hipstermi ok well I'll just give you two facts of what is going on right now.
1. Obama is in Hawaii on Vacation
Now its ok for a president to go on vacation every now and then but it seems like he's always doing it now.
2. Obama is taking away a great load of our nuclear weapons for Russia.
This is very stupid. How can we trust Russia? I don't know the facts but Russia has some of the most nuclear weapons. What if we have to use them and we don't have them
More right-wing bullshit!!
RealMusic1977 2 days ago
That's pretty bad when you end up in last place out of 44 presidents. I guess someone has to be the worse, might as well be Obama.
myredfestiva 2 months ago
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Bush robbed Americans....Obama is cleaning is mess up. It take more then 4 years to clean up a mess that occured for 8 years.
The top 1% are scared Americans may get their country back and will lie through their teeth to do it, including stating that the recent mess is Obama....haha. Wars, deregulation of the housing market, and Bush tax cuts for the rich........all Bush. Congrats Republicans, now the Dems have to clean it up.
VictorsValiant 3 months ago
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VictorsValiant 3 months ago
Everyone knows it takes time to clean up a mess and Bush's 8 years of money to the top 1%(Bush tax cuts) and the fall of the housing market (deregulation, so every Joe, Harry, and Sally could get a loan on zero income) is just the chickens coming home to roost. Dont' forget about spending Trillions in war, so the defense companies and oil companies(Cheney board member of Halliburton) could make a profit at tax payers expense. It took 8 years to make the mess it will take at least 8 to fix it.
VictorsValiant 3 months ago
@VictorsValiant I'm not a Bush fan... but, I think you need to learn a little more about the taxes, the housing bubble, spending... really, everything you just said.
reil842 2 months ago
@VictorsValiant
The sad truth is, the Idiot Cowboy did throw it into hyper drive and off a cliff, but this upside-down funnel with a vacuum attached dates back 30+ years.
GrassValleyGreg 2 months ago
I'm sorry.... But why does ANYONE take this obvious phony seriously?
GrassValleyGreg 3 months ago
@GrassValleyGreg They just like their ham and tea! They like listening to the organ of the corporate state.
BuddyNovinski 2 months ago
@BuddyNovinski
lol! I've always said, the reason FNC's ratings are so high is because their demographic likes to hear what the want to hear. MSNBC viewers will take MSNBC over FNC, but understand that it's ALL bullshit, so you need multiple sources lmao.
GrassValleyGreg 2 months ago
Whys he so against Ron Paul now? Talk about 2 faced.
guilde 4 months ago
Fox news and the republicans fd america up
sagebrushchuck 4 months ago
The only GOP candidate even worth talking about is Ron Paul. But because he doesn't play ball and do what he's told like the rest of the GOP talking heads he is silenced by the media... too bad really, he's the only one who has any idea what he's talking about
misterbarbister 5 months ago
Did I fall asleep I thought they impeached O B O M B M A already?????
johnnycmajor 5 months ago
Here we go again: Conquer them, sell them our wares and conquer them again.
Iraq has made the first payment in a deal to buy 18 US F-16 fighter jets worth a total of about $3bn (£1.9bn), the US state department has said.
johnnycmajor 5 months ago
obama and carter a equally as bad.
jack9717 5 months ago
OBAMA YALL
BizzareCorpse 5 months ago
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OBAMA YALL
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OBAMA YALL
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BARACK HUSSEIN OSAMA WORSHIPS ALLAH AN HIS FAKE AS PROPHET MAHMOUD !
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BizzareCorpse 5 months ago
BARACK HUSSEIN OSAMA WORSHIPS ALLAH AN HIS FAKE AS PROPHET MAHMOUD !
BizzareCorpse 5 months ago
Obama has a chance to win in 2012. Unless Ron Paul is nominated, I honestly think he's the only one who could defeat Obama and that'd probably be a close election. Sarah Palin would lose in a landslide. I have no faith in Romney because he has been known to cut people off from large corporations. If everybody is thinking the Republicans will do a better job, ur dreaming. If you don't believe me, vote them in and let's see what happens.
preving 6 months ago
@preving Ron Paul would be about as bad as carter.
IrishMinja 5 months ago
@IrishMinja Well, I have ZERO faith in the Republicans right now. Question in 2012 is do we reelect Mr.Obama for 4 more years to try and fix the problem up or do we give the financial mess back to the people who started it?
preving 5 months ago
@preving Currently, the top two Republican Candidates running for president have far more ,,, Actually, they Have Experience in Finance, whereas, mr oblama has ZERO Experience in Finance. In Fact, Mr Oblama has no experience in; 1) Budgeting 2) Finance 3) Businesses - Large or Small 4) State's Rights 5) DOD 6) National Guard 7) Foreign Affairs 8) Health Care 9) Medicine/Medical Field 10) Military Matters 11) Science & Technology 2) Research & Development. He does BULLSHIT well.
Unklebillybob 5 months ago
@Unklebillybob Yeah, you already told me that. The numbers don't look good for the President right now.
preving 5 months ago
@preving Nope and it's getting worse. Now, we have to hire/elect a president that can actually do the job. It's not a time for another OJT candidate.
Unklebillybob 5 months ago
@Unklebillybob I like Herman Cain. He's got some excellent ideas of all the candidates on the GOP side. Question is will they nominate him and not base him on his skin color. Cain 2012.....
preving 5 months ago
@preving Any of the top 3 Republican Candidates would do a better job than mr oblama. Wait, wait, wait..... Most of them would do a better job than oblama.
Unklebillybob 5 months ago
sean hannity is awesome!!!
mavsfan41312 6 months ago
@mavsfan41312 Hannity is a scum-bag
Babylauncher3000 6 months ago
@Babylauncher3000 so telling the truth makes you a scum-bag? God help this country
mavsfan41312 6 months ago
$700 billion sealed it as him being the worst.
Amino2 6 months ago
Hanity blows goats. Bush is by far the worst, unless youre incredibly rich, then he was ........adequate
sagebrushchuck 6 months ago
BY FAR, Sean Hannity is the biggest prick on television.
spd13062 6 months ago
@DevilFrog0915
I don't think anyone *wants* the space program cut- but it just costs too much right now. Maybe Russia will beat us to something. They beat us with Sputnik; then we beat them to the moon and beyond. We'll be back.
But from 2001-07, the GOP controlled all 3 branches- and two very poorly managed and perhaps unnecessary wars were started, banks were obscenely deregulated, and ZERO bills were vetoed by Bush. Only one two-term president had fewer vetoes than Bush- George Washington!
GrassValleyGreg 7 months ago
@DevilFrog0915
Do you think he'd be cutting the space program if we weren't in a budget crisis? And frankly I've always viewed this blind allegiance to Israel to be a bad thing, so....
Obama could be better- but I really think the blame belongs in Congress for ALL of this.
GrassValleyGreg 7 months ago
@DevilFrog0915
Things aren't improving- but it's quite a mess. And Congress has been out to get him from the start and have fought him fervently at every turn. I'm not saying he's great- but to say he's the worst is a complete joke.
GrassValleyGreg 7 months ago
@DevilFrog0915
Ok so, Obama spending money in an effort to stave off the crisis that he is not responsible for makes him worse than the Presidents who preceded Lincoln who essentially allowed the Civil War to happen if they didn't hasten it. Ooooookay.
GrassValleyGreg 7 months ago
hannity is just a shill just like obama... both right and left.. its all a ploy to trap you into a police state where the powers of government swing back and forth like a pendulum,..
MrShane737 8 months ago
Hyperbole to the max -_-
martyelm 8 months ago
Obama didn't create any of the mess we're in- how in the hell is the WORST PRESIDENT EVER?!?
So Fillmore, Pierce, and Buchanan.... Who literally allowed the United States to rip in half.... Over SLAVERY... Not as bad as Obama. lol fucking morons.
Lol idiots.
GrassValleyGreg 8 months ago
Obama is already the WORST President is U.S. History. What do expect from a criminal grifter super LIAR USURPER from Kenya?
ECwashr 9 months ago
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OBAMA is the worst he aint even american i dont think fu ck him
MsCoffinKisser 9 months ago
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this is why he killed osama bin laden right?
xaadim1 9 months ago
@xaadim1 you mean how he got lucky that we killed Osama, even though he fought the methods that led up to killing bin laden?
IrishMinja 5 months ago
@IrishMinja no i mean how bush created the problem and obama solved it
xaadim1 4 months ago
@xaadim1 Obama only prolonged the problem. He in no way fixed it. He just was lucky to be in office when we killed Osama. Obama should get no credit, for Bush and the navy seals hard fought victory. Especially since his actions hindered our soldiers, seals included.
IrishMinja 4 months ago
@IrishMinja Yawn
Marakulous43 3 months ago
Sean Hannity is such a fucking jackass
he pisses me off to the max
EdwardP88 9 months ago
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No, Obama is NOT the worst president in US history. Being the president during a recession does not make one the worst president ever. The worst president ever, was Buchanan, who failed to save our country from the chaos that led to the problems that started the civil war.
86THECRITIC 9 months ago
idiots elected a nigger president... what can you expect from a monkey...
terminator734 10 months ago
Race don't matter to me. But Obama is just a retarded smooth talking idiot. Wish he would get a day job.
GisherJohn24 10 months ago
@GisherJohn24 100% agree with you. in fact all of those in congress should get a day job down on our level! let them get a cut in pay!
thecmonster93 7 months ago
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@wesleyfpt -Joking about taking away Freedom and Liberty seems funny,
untill the day comes when you don't have it.
off2theright 10 months ago
@wesleyfpt ~ Joking about taking away Freedom and Liberty seems funny,
untill the day comes when you don't have it.
off2theright 10 months ago
Barack is gonorrhea-flavored ass sperm.
Uberlasting 11 months ago
Socialist Obama
AkiraFollower 11 months ago
To be president.
molosgaming 11 months ago
Obama is a bad president.
I don't like that no one knows about his past. He won't let Columbia college release his record. No one from his graduating class knows him and he wasn't in the year book. Also he was not born in hawaii he was born in Africa. Also he was not quailified for the position. He seemingly came out of no where. And the only reason people voted for him was cause he is black. That is the sad truth. I think he is a good speaker and a smart man but I don't think he was the right
molosgaming 11 months ago
@molosgaming Wait, you know for a fact that he was born in Africa? Interesting...I wish I had psychic ability. I'm gonna borrow a notion from Jon Stewart and ask, are you pro-life? Do you believe a fetus is a human being? "He seemingly came out of no where." That's funny, because there's a whole army of teabaggers and dissentful conservatives ready to vote for ANYONE as long as it isn't Obama.
SmallpoxRot 11 months ago
@crazypostalbob oh and FDR was awful too he was nothing more than a sneaky pathetic MASON!!!
kralldaddy16 11 months ago
@777Herbs oh and Bush is 10,000 times better than Obama. The media cut bush down to pieces which is cruel and unfair. Yes he wasn't the best president but Obama is absolutely the worst.
kralldaddy16 11 months ago
@kralldaddy16 You're a moron. Put down the crack pipe.
SmallpoxRot 11 months ago
Obama is the most evil false and most pathetic president in the history of our country(worse than jimmy e. Carter) and is nothing more than a communist Muslim who wants nothing else but to see our country be in ruins!!!!!
kralldaddy16 11 months ago
Bush isnt even CLOSE to the worst president of all time. He isnt anywhere near the best, but he certainly isnt the worst. Obama was ranked in the top 15 best presidents by some polls which is REDICULOUS! If you add 5 trillion dollars to our debt, you should be dead last. PERIOD. But of course, all you liberals who worship michael moore dont believe there even IS a debt, do you?
Hotchilipepprz4 1 year ago
Bo doesn't think America's anything special. No really, he doesn't. Quote: "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." In other words: everybody's special. Tell your friend that, with his Barney the Dinosaur egalitarian worldview of everybody being special, Obama ought to be a kindergarten teacher, leading the kids in non-competitive, non-judgmental songs, not the leader of the free world
lv2surf 1 year ago
Funny I cant remember Fox news ever talking about fiscal responsibility when Bush was in office
cchris000043 1 year ago
obama is the third worst president, behined bush and johnson
777Herbs 1 year ago
So true. With our country in major debt and that bull shit SOCIAL SECURITY people my age and younger are screwed. I agree obama is the worst prez ever. What has he done for us? He is supposed to be a leader. He is supposed to make this country better. He has done nothing of the sort so far however. I miss BUSH
thefourthonexxx 1 year ago
@thefourthonexxx If there's any reason Obama hasn't done enough is because he tries to make compromises with the Republicans, who lay out some requisites for him, and when he has those requisites, lay out a whole new set. With his policies right now, Obama is a right wing president. So I would agree, he's doing a bad job. He's not left wing enough.
VexonCross 1 year ago
@VexonCross People like you make me laugh, if Obama was successfully doing all he said he would do, you would call him a left wing democratic president. Since he is doing poorly you call him a right wing president? The man is a clear cut socialist democrat, and democrats voted for him stop shifting the guilt. Had he been part of the republican party and had i voted for him, i would have said he was a bad republican president like Bush for example.
jstealth89 1 year ago
@jstealth89 I´m not calling him right wing because he's not succesfull in carrying out what most of America voted for, I'm calling him right wing because he goes out of his way to try to make the rest of America not hate him. And that means he has to try real hard not to look like a socialist, and of course seeing as most of America hasn't got a blind clue what socialism is, he's not going to do a good job at convincing them, so he just has to keep moving to the right in the name of compromises.
VexonCross 1 year ago
He IS the worst president ever! This guy is the most corrupt, destructive, dishonest, most radical leader this country has ever had. I'm ashamed to call that man my president.
CarlChub 1 year ago
@CarlChub There are certain forms of bribes that are not illegal but should be. We gave money to over 10 corporations in a huge bailout at your expense but you're ok with it? It didn't have anything to do with a government being bought? Are you insane? It seems more like you want to run from the topic. Why is the government not making insurance regulations tighter rather than the regulations for us tighter. Eh? Suddenly you have to buy a plan and have to get taxed for better ones.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob Ok you dumb as hell moron. I didn't lie. You need to quit that shit immediately. They were bribed by funds that maintained their position. You call it a contribution, I call it a bribe. It was not a lie. Grow the hell up. Go vote for a republican in your democrat state. You need it. Just like that Ben Quayle guy shouldn't have won in his republican state. You're ignoring shit for the sake of it. Also: Don't argue about what you meant with Hoover. You're bad at it.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@CarlChub Carl, didn't mean to push you for reply. That was meant for the moron Hipster.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
Hipster - side note: I actually didn't say you watched msnbc and CNN I said programs "like". I would have dropped it but you were wrong. I didn't say you listened to those programs. Good times.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
Hipster - god I don't know where to start. I said programs like CNN and msnbc who believe thing such as and listed items. I didn't lie. You are democrat. I didn't lie. You did say Hoover was depression boy by your own admission that is blaming him .and saying something about hannity is not commenting on the good aspects of republican politics.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"I said programs like CNN and msnbc who believe thing such as and listed items. I didn't lie"
I've explained it twice, idiot.
You told me to "stop watching..." those programs. I don't watch MSNBC...ergo you lied. You just made up shit you would have no info on. A lie.
"You did say Hoover was depression boy by your own admission that is blaming him"
That's no "my admission" thats your ASSumption. Lie #2. Somehow you "know more" about what I think than I do.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Ok moron: First, if I was wrong about you, that isn't a lie. Second of all: That means the only things I've lied about are items with you, which you've done to me. God complex much? Now moving on: You clearly are listening to the wrong sources. The CNN and MSNBC were two that it could be.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Moving on: YOU DID CONNECT HOOVER TO THE GREAT DEPRESSION OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CALLED HIM DEPRESSION BOY. STOP BACK TRACKING. Why else would you connect "depression" with "hoover" eh? Moron.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"YOU DID CONNECT HOOVER TO THE GREAT DEPRESSION OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CALLED HIM DEPRESSION BOY. STOP BACK TRACKING."
1. Typing in all caps make you look like a screaming child.
2. Yes he's connect to the Depression, and nothing in your statement is "cause the depression" . His failure as a Prez or even to act .... worsened the situation.
I never said he "caused" the Depression
you stupid fuck.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi "= 2. Yes he's connect to the Depression, and nothing in your statement is "cause the depression" . His failure as a Prez or even to act .... worsened the situation."
Look at number 2. You link him to the depression. He did not worsen the situation. Keeping the longest recession in U.S. history is worsening it. Which FDR did. Look up spending and the effects on the recession. Technically doing nothing is the best thing.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"Look at number 2. You link him to the depression. He did not worsen the situation. Keeping the longest recession in U.S. history is worsening it. Which FDR did"
Wow...you are really dumb.
AGAIN- the point I made was Hoover was "worse than Obama"
You countering with "FDR did..." is unrelated. It really seem to translate to you is "whah! Democrats did worse!"
and yes, Hoover is far worse than Obama...not to mention scandal ridden Harding and Grant.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Hoover and FDR are pretty much synonymous: Extremists in a partisan war time period. FDR is one of the worst presidents we have had. So is Hoover. Obama is as well. Hoover is better than Obama. He didn't bailout the people who bankrupted us. He didn't put in place healthcare giving money to insurance companies by mandating insurance and not regulating the insurers while setting up subsidies to give them regular american's money from their health plan taxes.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Bring it. Dumbass. Why don't you tell me your opinion on Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Al Franken, and the democrats that I listed earlier and their votes to do with issues. You never directed that by the way. This is insane. You try to label label label. Partisan moron. Get off the page and go vote democrat the whole way through. Partisan crap created our current mess.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi You make the terms of my words and then label them as lies. That's great. Really rich. I love it. Your are partisan. So you're a dumbass. That's all there is too it. If Bush did this crap you WOULD NOT support it. End of story. Obama also is the only president in U.S. history to order the assassination of a U.S. citizen taking advantage of the patriot act. OOOOPS AGAIN!!! Something that even the fear of it happening with Bush was corrupt. Was it ok because it was obama?
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Ok you dumb as hell moron. I didn't lie. You need to quit that shit immediately. They were bribed by funds that maintained their position. You call it a contribution, I call it a bribe. It was not a lie. Grow the hell up. Go vote for a republican in your democrat state. You need it. Just like that Ben Quayle guy shouldn't have won in his republican state. You're ignoring shit for the sake of it. Also: Don't argue about what you meant with Hoover. You're bad at it. I missed this...
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi La la la, having fun yet? Cowardice is relying on one party to save your pathetic ass. Cowardice is relying on any party. You want my thoughts? People like you ruin this world. You label this and label that. You don't talk people. You don't talk votes. You don't talk democrats against abortion (oh no religious zealots!). You don't talk issues. You talk crap. We shouldn't have a party system. And you...well you are just pathetic.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi My God, the fact that you missed the bailout is insane. You missed that Ben Bernanke was in place during Bush is an insult. By the way : He's STILL in charge of banking decisions. Wow! Change you can believe in! Eh? You need to change to independant rather than democrat. It's the only way to show non partisan bias. Also: Obama is number two for donations Dodd is number 1 by over 10 times the normal contribution. They were bribed.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"the fact that you missed the bailout is insane"
That's another lie on your part.
yeah...this is the part where you try to justify it, or pretend it wasn't "deliberate" or start screaming like a child again because someone calls out your "independent " (aka poorly disguised conservative assholism)
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Hey bud, Obama and Dodd received the most campaign contributions by far. Then he bailed them out. You missed what the bailout was. You claim lie out the kazoo like a baby. Those comments were side by side because they were linked. They were linked as proof to Obama bailing out companies he was in league with.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"Obama and Dodd received the most campaign contributions by far. Then he bailed them out. You missed what the bailout was"
You seem to repeat things a lot. contributions arent "bribes"- ergo you lied.
You have like a junior high mentality...so no stupid, I did not "miss" anything just because I dont agree with your "Independent" with a little "i"
"Independent" who seems to agree with only asshole conservatism.ike how the right wing tea party says they are "Independent"
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi I love you. You call everything a lie premptively. Black and white is what the world is eh? Democrat or republican? Bet you didn't know there are states where democrats are conservative. Bet you didn't know there are democrats against abortion. AnThe religious zealot connection? Do you have any idea how many democrats are Christian? By the way...Guess my religion? Guess my ideology? You called me conservative! YOU'RE A LIAR!!! Lol that is me acting like you. I'm agnostic.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Do I really need to make you look like an idiot further? You came on here debating with people you saw is the lesser people. Am I an Asshole to you? Yes. Because you came on here looking to dominate and found an agnostic, liberal, Independant. You don't know my ideals. When it comes to practicality most Obama's programs are either conservative Bush renamed programs or government take overs. There is no middle ground. And the liar thing...Lol, call me conservative again liar!
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi You're an idiot. When I say programs like that means any program like or similar. Even if I were wrong it's not a lie. It's being wrong.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob And you think he's not the worst president, not even close? No other president bailed out the major companies who destroyed the economy. No other president mandated insurance while taking money from "cadillac plans" from normal American. If he's not in bed with the insurance companies why the @#$#@ did he not regulate their earnings? He regulated us though. Regulated us into buying the money and took money from our plans to pay the insurance companies more.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Ooooh, so now we're debating what "responding is". With those numbers he actually responded in less than 4 days by some points of view. By the max it's 9 days. Obama took months. You're arguing over semantics and labeling it a lie? Yet another coward attempt. It wasn't a lie. You need to quit that shit.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Regulating insurers regarding a few issues is not regulating. If you noticed I'm in the insurance field. I know health care regulations. You'll cry about the no restrictions on pre-existing conditions. (In fine print it says if you have been denied by X amount of carriers in x amount of months, just like a standard policy it's wording pretty much guarantees you'll die before you get coverage, just like 65 was the average life expectancy when FDR signed social security into place.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi AWWW poor hipster, is everything ok because it's Obama doing it now instead of Bush? Does that comfort you? Do you need a box of tissues from the Republican butt hurt? Poor baby.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Blue dogs, RHINOS, Yellow dogs, votes in general. By the way: The same party you call "religious zealots" and that liberals call "racist" started the civil rights bill of 1957 and also had a higher percentage of their party (they were a minority at the time so you have to compare %'s not numbers) vote for the civil rights bill of 1964. Yet another oops of your perfect civil rights activist caring party. That ain't that long ago bud.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob yes but at the time those people were very different. both parties went through a flip flop of values around the time of JFK. so in retrospect the republicans of that time would be considered democrats of today if you went by values alone. and even THEN northern Repugs in 1957 were so against giving blacks rights that they set a record for filibustering it its around the time that he switched parties that Repugs became the bigot party it is today.
the1tigglet 1 year ago
@hipstermi Please educate yourself, grow up, learn the PEOPLE to vote for and against, and then come back. When you eliminate the words "conservative" and "republican" and then instead talk about PEOPLE and VOTES I might listen to what you have to say. Idiot.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
""You did say Hoover was depression boy by your own admission that is blaming him"
You seem to want to argue for sake of argue. EXPLAIN your accusation. If I wanted to say he caused the Depression I would say so.
You LIED and can't even fes up to it...or admit you were wrong. You seem to have a "problem" with that. Newsflash- you don't know my thoughts, so quit being such an ass.
and yes I caught you in TWO lies so far.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob I didn't run from the topic. A good example of democrat policies: The economy collapses, we give money to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, bonuses to AIG and Chevrolet etc. Lehman Brothers did not receive funds. They also didn't give campaign funds. We made a mandate to give insurance companies more money, and have everyone insured. At the same time government subsidy money will now go to insurers, which comes from taxing normal plans. Republicans don't programs like that.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Hannity is a MORON!!!!!!! Obama the worst? Seriously, afyer he inherited the worst economic crisis since the great depression from Dumbya. The worst presidents were Andrew Johnson, James Buchanon, Millard Fillmore, Frankiln Pierce and George W. Bush.
mr19932001 1 year ago
@mr19932001 Point out how Bush caused the recession. Then look up New York times 2003 article on his proposed changes to the market regarding new regulations. It was blocked by democrats when it finally came up in 2004 by McCain when it was too late Also: I'm an insurance agent. Try writing insurance in Alaska. The regulations are tight, and they are good. Washington is a liberal state with less regulations. So if you say "deregulation" is what republicans do you're wrong.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@mr19932001 Furthermore: The democrats wanted these loans and said they were fine. Look it up on youtube, when the republicans started attacking bad loans, the democrats clearly said that we were "performing heart surgery" on a system that didn't need it. And they would "like to say they weren't mad at republicans" for questioning the financial soundness, but they were. Also Al Franken commenting "I see nothing that raises financial soundness problems". Jesus. Do your homework.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@mr19932001 A system giving out too much entitlement leniency or assistance to the middle class doesn't sound anything at all like a republican system That's what caused the collapse of the housing industry and what caused the ultimate collapse when it came to the insurance on those loans. Fannie Mae insured the loans Freddie Mac gave them. I doubt you know how it works. Both those programs that started this started with Clinton and democrat support and no coincidence were also bailed out.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
Hipster: Insulting Reagan, a moderate who was once democrat is stupid. As for Hoover please. FDR was just as bad. Hoover didn't cause the great depression. That's impossible for one man. The great depression lasted longer than any recession on FDR and democrat congress watch. They lengthened it. Canada cut spending in the 90's and had a surplus. Europe is doing it now. FDR and Obama spent more. Come on, look up the history of recessions and spending.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"Insulting Reagan, a moderate who was once democrat is stupid"
The point was "is Obama the worst President" so naming a President who armed terrorists is hardly "stupid".
"Hoover please. FDR was just as bad"
Which has zilch to do with Hoover being "worse" than Obama. You look kind of stupid now for not keeping up.
We could talk about Nixon's failed war efforts, how his policies hurt the economy well into the 80s and oh yeah...is disgraceful resignation for the nation.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Seriously? What part of my war effort being approved by Obama did you not read? If you're trying to make the case for REGAN being one of the worst by comparing one issue, then good job. You're completely inept at debating. Regan was a moderate.
Uh. You are the one who brought up Hoover historically causing the depression. You might want to look up the three branches of government. Hoover could not have possibly caused the great depression.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
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" You're completely inept at debating. Regan was a moderate."
The point was "Obama = worst President" \I brought up Reagan, who was...a PRESIDENT. His party or your opinion on his moderate stance is irrelevant. If one said "Carter was worse than Obama" that would also be an valid reply.
In your conservative rage, you seem unable to stay on topic or even grasp what the debate is about.
Wow...you look really stupid now.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
". You are the one who brought up Hoover historically causing the depression. You might want to look up the three branches of government"
You flat out lied again.
I did not claim Hoover "caused" the depression. I challenge you to find a quote that says such. I did call him "Depression Boy" When you can't find the quote, the mature thing to do is admit you were wrong and apologize.
Why is it you conservatives resort to these dishonest tactics in debates?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi First of all: You started the discrediting label crap with Hannity. Deal with it. I responded. Your dishonest tactics tend to come back to bite you. Second of all: If you label "conservative" with another dichotomy you are clearly proving how partisan you are. Third of all: Did I not say I am an indpendant? Fourth of all: So you did not make an implication about Hoover's role in the depression? Wow. You really are dishonest. Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't wrong.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi And also "Flat out lied again" typical liberal. Label your opponent as a liar, what did I lie about "again" and what did I lie about before? That's dishonest debating tactics. I called you an idiot. I questioned your knowledge. I questioned your facts. I only qustioned your character when you questioned mine. You need to back off. You're debating with an independant whose only goal is to expose your partisan nature. You're doing a good job of that by the way.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"Flat out lied again" typical liberal. Label your opponent as a liar, what did I lie about "again""
Not a "liberal" tactic...when the other person lies, you call them out. As to what you lied about I very clearly labeled it each time:
--- You flat out lied again.
I did not claim Hoover "caused" the depression--
Really...what part did you not understand? Idiot.
"That's dishonest debating tactics"
So you cry when I say you lied, then call me "dishonest" hypocritical baby
hipstermi 1 year ago
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"You need to back off"
you seem so angry!
"'re debating with an independant"
yeah...an independent who somehow sides with Republicans all the time...
"expose your partisan nature"
You should read your childish rants out load and hear this self righteous anger. You sound like such an angry child.
hipstermi 1 year ago
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@crazypostalbob
"and what did I lie about before"
I was very clear in pointing out your lies. You, with great conservative anger authority, declared I listened to MSNBC. You didnt ask...you accused. That was a lie.
It wasn't true, and I would know more than you. So it was a lie on your part.
You can apologize after you admit this error.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Also: A president is graded by what he puts in place that effects the nation. The very reason for FDR's failure was social security (rather than a middle ground republican democrat program like a 401k program that was mandated publicly and traded privately, thus the funds can bankrupt the NATION.) If you want to debate the permanent effect of FDR vs Hoover, guess who put in place permanent effects? FDR. Obama is doing the same with Health Care.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
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"If you want to debate the permanent effect of FDR vs Hoover"
Wow...you are slow.
The point was "Obama= worst President" I pointed to how Hoover was worse than Obama.
You pulled FDR out of your ass in an attempt to avoid the point on Hoover's failures.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"Also: A president is graded by what he puts in place that effects the nation. The very reason for FDR's failure"
What does any of this have to do with the statment I made that Hoover was much worse than Obama? You know...like that terpy wuss in the video claimed "Obama was worst President".
Also...why didn't you comment on your inability to stay on topic as I proved?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi This healthcare issue will increase the deficit. More spending and entitlement programs cannot balance a budget. Private debt does not stack up public debt. People can go bankrupt from not passing health care. Individually. It doesn't effect our whole nation's budget. A public program can bankrupt the entire nation through collective failure Putting in place a permanent program which will increase our spending when we are already going bankrupt? That is public debt. Seriously.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi You have not one clue what you are talking about, and you are talking catch phrases 101 from a liberal mind that has been brainwashed. I could just as easily talk about Clinton when it came to weapons and North Korea. Do you want to go there? Do you even know? You are idiotic. Get off the page.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi I have a question for you hipstermi:
Why is it that Nixon spying on democrats (due to parnoia) is "disgraceful" and liberals "spying" on republicans and reporting, as well as wiki leaks, makes those media folk people who are "trying to bring out the truth"?
You really are polarized. I'm attacking your liberal traits because that's all you have. Serioulsy. List me one thing you agree with republicans on. List a republican ideal from now to 1950 that you agreed with.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
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@crazypostalbob
"is it that Nixon spying on democrats (due to parnoia) is "disgraceful"
Plenty of what vile Dick "I hate Jews" Nixon did was disgraceful, not just that one act.
Still, you are being deceptive. Nixon didn't just "spy"- he lied, obstructed justice, employed criminal G. Gordon Liddy (Firebombings, attempted murder, kidnappings)
Love his later quote "When the President does it, it's not illegal". Should have inserted "conservative" right before President.
hipstermi 1 year ago
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"You really are polarized. I'm attacking your liberal traits because that's all you have."
That's a lie on your part.
"List me one thing you agree with republicans on"
As a gun owner, I am not for so much gun regulations. I think the best gun "control" is effective education and info- gun safety classes, EASY to find gun laws & regulations in print & web, etc.
What about YOU answering the same question about Democrat ideas now?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Oh and regarding my worker's compensation comment, which was hard to post due to space:
THEY REFUSED TO RELEASE THEIR RATES AT THE NORMAL TIME OF YEAR UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION AS IT MIGHT "ALTER THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION" AND THEN THE RATES WENT UP.
So they didn't want us to know how they were performing until after they tried to scare us into believing that ALLOWING competition would somehow destroy one of the only THREE states that do it. The other 47 STATES are just fine.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi I would post the link showing the contributions but it won't let me. Security likely. And again: You are listening to the wrong sources, so my comment about the type of people you listen to was not a lie. Also: Lies must be knowingly done. Look up the definition. Otherwise it is an error. Typical crap from a partisan indoctrinated follower. When I say typical for a liberal...What i mean is typical for a PARTISAN liberal.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"would post the link showing the contributions but it won't let me"
Oh...first it was a "bribe" (illegal) and now you changed your story to "contributions" (legal) you are being deceptive here.
"You are listening to the wrong sources"
you are a self righteous prick.
"Also: Lies must be knowingly done. Look up the definition. Otherwise it is an error"
Yet you did not admit you were wrong. Will you do so now?
"Lies must be knowingly done"
Nice excuse, Mr. O'Reiley
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Being bought out in the form of campaign contributions isn't a bribe? Funny....Last time I checked democrats call wolf on republicans for receiving high contributions from oil companies...
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Haha I love you. You're so easy to get going. Now I've done 3 lies, because, because I said what you're saying! Typical partisan tactic. Make a comment on Hoover, pretend it wasn't what you said. Miss what the bailout was about, when I call you on Obama taking an action to give "entitlement money" to the rich (hmm something you said the republicans did but can't back up how) you suddenly call me a liar because of how I said you missed it. Very persuasive. Idiot.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi And when I say "technically doing nothing is the best action" I say that because research shows that in almost all circumstances cutting spending reduces the length of a recession where as spending increases it. There is nothing whatsoever to show that Hoover's failure to act lengthened the recession. There is historical evidence regarding spending to prove FDR lengthened it.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi It's nice to watch the world flip flop. The bailout was a montrousity when Bush thought it up. Then suddenly since Obama signed it into play it was success! Aghanistan and Iraq were failures. Until Obama used the same withdrawal time frame as Bush. Bush was a green failure! Until Obama passed less strict emission requirements! The patriot act was a monstrousity, until Obama decided to resign it with new internet regulations proposed to take away freedoms further. OOPS!!!
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Oh...first it was a "bribe" (illegal) and now you changed your story to "contributions" (legal) you are being deceptive here.
In the "real world" not all bribes are illegal. In insurance you are allowed to give a "referral fee" of 25 dollars per auto client. That is a bribe. Campaign funds to get elected in the tune of hundreds of thousand dollars to democrats as a whole is by no means a small contribution. It's a bribe. Black and white, but no real world experience eh?
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi "Oh...first it was a "bribe" (illegal) and now you changed your story to "contributions" (legal) you are being deceptive here."
Side comment: If I'm being deceptive then so are democrats. They use the same play. "Our contributions have nothing to do with why we are bailing them out. What? When we gave those bonuses to AIG we had too!!! By the way Bush's economic failures won't be repeated but we're keeping Ben Bernanke." Lol Independants think you dems are idiots right now.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
""Oh...first it was a "bribe" (illegal) and now you changed your story to "contributions" (legal) you are being deceptive here."
"Side comment: If I'm being deceptive then so are democrats. They use the same play. "Our contributions"
Wow...instead of addressing the point which proved you wrong...you tried again to change the topic!
buckbuckbuck...run little chicken.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Lol seriously, what do you have to say about my most recent comments? If it were republicans do you have any idea what the world would say? They'd go pitch forks to the capital. Also: It took Bush 4 days to respond to Katrina...It took Obama over several months to respond to the oil spill. Another double standard...
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"Bush 4 days to respond to Katrina...It took Obama over several months to respond"
Lie.
4-20 explosion
4-21 Deputy Secretary of Interior, Coast Guard dispatched to region
4-22 White House statement noted that following a briefing w Obama, Napolitano, Thad Allen/Coast Guard, etc. search/rescue for 11 missing.
4-23 c. Guard " focused on mitigating the impact of the product currently in the water."
4-25 Response team,containment plan
4-29 Air Force dispatched
& MORE
hipstermi 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob yeah i remember when he sent an army of lawyers and a whole host of people who had no knowledge of oil spill or otherwise...nice of him not to talk to the ceo of BP for awhile as well....
dshorty41 1 year ago
Hipster: I never said my party. "don't listen to faux news!" is pathetic. How about debating facts? Time magazine wrote an article in 2003 regarding Bush's changes to home loans. Thing is democrats blocked it. 2005 John McCain started famous debates where democrats said "financial soundness" was what we had and "operating a heart surgery" on a system that didn't need change was what republicans. But since fox news reported on it, it must be a lie, time magazine must have lied too.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
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@crazypostalbob
""don't listen to faux news!" is pathetic. How about debating facts?"
You seem unable to stay on topic...and you contradict yourself. You write THIS above but earlier wrote:
---- Stop watching CNN and MSNBC where they lie to you and try making the republicans look like stupid ignorant old men" ---
You contract yourself so much you are like talking to a child with a multiple personality disorder.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Hey kiddo: For you it's pertinent because that IS all you listen to and BECAUSE you labeled a person on who to listen to start. I replied. That's not contradictory. The only programs on CNN and MSNBC that list the facts you listed are ones that do lie. You do need to stop listening to one source. I don't. Trying to discredit me rather than my arguments is also childish. I've listed about 50 facts. Debate them.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi And further: ---- Stop watching CNN and MSNBC where they lie to you and try making the republicans look like stupid ignorant old men" --- Kind of implies "WHERE" is a place in CNN and MSNBC. It kind of implies...Facts. Gasp. Maybe it told you to stop listening to cannon fodder. I'm just reemphasizing my last post. You are listening to the bad parts of these stations.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
" ---- Stop watching CNN and MSNBC"
I sometimes CNN and very rarely watch MSMBC. Like to read more news.
Curious...why did you feel the need to lie about me so?
But with your self righteous attitude...if you do any of these, will you stop watching Fox, listening to fatass Rush, right wing talk shows in general, and other conservative idiots? If you go...stop going to church as well given that conservative bullshit they brainwash you with idiotic stories of magical powers.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi I accidentally replied to myself on one regarding why Obama is bad. He did receive bribes from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He did bail them out. The contributions he received were over 10 times that of others. He appointed people to positions who were once the owners of banks he bailed out. Quantitive easing he is appointing the same people. He's giving money to and giving power to the people who @%@ed you over and bankrupted us. No president has done this kind of crap.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"He did receive bribes from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"
Your proof? and no a conservative pundit is not proof.
hipstermi 1 year ago
Just occurred to me my wording was poor let me reiterate again ---- Stop watching CNN and MSNBC where they lie to you and try making the republicans look like stupid ignorant old men" ---
Where means not a place, but rather what you are listening to. So the phrase means, stop listening to the lies on MSNBC and CNN which refer to republicans as stupid old men. If you listen to THOSE facts on CNN, you're listening to the wrong facts. Now that should be clearer.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Now why are they the wrong facts to listen to? Because they are polarized and are likely manipulated. Especially if they refer to republicans and label them. The fact is: Hannity and O'reilly do state good things about dems sometimes. There are people on CNN and MSNBC (and you) that don't say a single good thing about republicans and refer to them as the scourge of the earth. That's impossible. It's statistically impossible. Yet your partisan crap clearly points to that.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"The fact is: Hannity and O'reilly do state good things about dems sometimes"
Yet you couldn't list an example that we could check out for ourselves.
Even so...it's failry one sides, especially from Hannity. Not "news"...editorial.
Hey- I notices you didnt answer my questions I asked. You know the ones you barked and said I should answer?
What is something from the Democrats you do agree with? I met your challenge, try to meet mine.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Hipster: There's a reason your party lost the independants this round. I sound like a republican because right now you guys lost the independants. I don't like Palin. I don't like Ben Quayle. I don't like Harry Reid because he lied about supporting the war and healthcare issues. I don't like Nancy Pelosi for her partisan politics in California. Al Franken was a part of the housing crises, which more democrats caused than republicans.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi So on to the things I like about democrat politics: We need programs. What I don't like: In Washington they refused to release worker's compensation rates (which they make monopolistic in this state, literally a form of non-competitive communism) before the vote to see if we should allow insurance companies to compete. By the way: Our state has the highest pension rate and the premiums are up to 400% the amount of non-monopolistic states. Virgina switched and never switched back
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi Now why am I listing this? It's my real experience in Washington state, the epitome of liberal. This is what I do not like. What do I not like about republicans? Well, I won't even say war, considering the democrats have an EQUAL history in Iraq when it came to votes...So I can proceed to say I don't like republicans on SOME VERY SPECIFIC medical issues like the HPV vaccination block a few years back. However, they gave more money for AIDS foundations than Obama.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@crazypostalbob
"don't like republicans on SOME VERY SPECIFIC medical issues like the HPV vaccination block a few years back"
The same GOP who pushed dumbass "abstinence only" (due to Jesus) programs, including in Africa? How much more disease did that cause? A major flaw of the GOP is being hijacked by religious zealots.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi Moving on to why the comment about programs that are permanent define a presidency: Hoover didn't put any in that could bankrupt a nation as a result of collective non productive individuals. FDR did. Obama put in place a health care plan which is a level of government intervention we shouldn't have. Mandating insurance HELPS insurance companies. The question is which insurance companies bribed Obama. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac DID get bailed out and gave HUGE amounts to him.
crazypostalbob 1 year ago
@hipstermi ok well I'll just give you two facts of what is going on right now.
1. Obama is in Hawaii on Vacation
Now its ok for a president to go on vacation every now and then but it seems like he's always doing it now.
2. Obama is taking away a great load of our nuclear weapons for Russia.
This is very stupid. How can we trust Russia? I don't know the facts but Russia has some of the most nuclear weapons. What if we have to use them and we don't have them
xCrazyFilms 1 year ago
@xCrazyFilms
"1. Obama is in Hawaii on Vacation
Now its ok for a president to go on vacation every now and then but it seems like he's always doing it now."
A Prez who went away for the holidays to his hometown!
Bush was n "vacation" more than any recent Prez.
"2. Obama is taking away a great load of our nuclear weapons for Russia.
This is very stupid"
You guys cry "economy" and when there is a cut in over inflated defense you cry more. We can still wipe them out.
hipstermi 1 year ago