Norway recently withdrew all the funding to so called "gender studies" in scientific research much due to a documentary "hjernevask" (Brainwash) shown on National Tv NRK. It shines the light on how feminism do not hold up to science when faced with biology and psychology.
sweden still keeps up the gender fascism.
The show has English subtitles and should be seen and spread by anybody antifeminist and interested in the present nordic situation.
The woman on that Feministing video was talking about sexists and/or misogynists, not all men. Do you think it's not sexist to say things like, 'get back in the kitchen, bitch', or, 'tits of GTFO', or even, 'feminists need to feel the back of a man's hand'? These are the type of sexist and misogynistic comments left for most feminism videos. And, weirdly, you still seem to think that there is no need for feminism.
Actually, feminism is about equality; viewing men and women as equals. Thus, a feminists doesn't view something a woman says as inherently better or less worthy of criticism than something a man says. Feminists don't like women or men to be put on pedestals based on their sex. It appears that you didn't do your research before making this video.You make a lot of claims which merely reflect an ignorant view of feminism based on stereotypes. Perhaps you should actually read some books.
You should refer to groups of people in the same way they refer to themselves. Calling someone a feminazi makes everything you say a lot less effective. Anyway, there are many types of feminists, most are pro-family and pro-fathers rights as well as mothers rights. You simply cannot make vast generalizations about feminists without being a bit more specific. What makes you think I don't come from a "destroyed" family myself?
One more thing, Editorialist: don't forget that feminazis say that you can't discriminate against females, but they are perfectly fine with, and in fact the very term "feminist" discriminates against males. Hyp-O-Crites.
Most of your points critique the faults of second wave feminist theory, which has become outdated and is no longer "modern feminism" as I believe you referred to it. Although there were many problems with that era of feminist thought, it was a necessary stage in reaching our current level of understanding.
True feminism seeks to dismantle sexism not just for women, but acknowledges the negative impacts that sexism has on men and the intersection of oppressions between gender, race and class.
If you were to participate in any type of feminist or woman's rights event today you would undoubtedly feel the presence of that sentiment.
Although I disagree with your premise, you make some valid critiques of feminism in the west. It's just that you're engaging with outdated feminist theory. Feminists today recognize the problems with viewing all women as victims, and contemporary scholars constantly challenge that outdated notion.
I heard recently that the American Nazi Party was going to drop the anti-Jewish plank from its campaign platform and even open the rolls up to Jewish members.
I'm still not joining it though.
That brand is ruined beyond repair.
And so is feminism. As a brand it's ruined.
Get a new name. Get a new brand. The word feminism will never live down its association with sexist, misandric hate speech.
Well I don't feel that you can even compare the American Nazi Party to any form of the Feminist movement. There were some problems with historical feminist thought, but the ideology isn't rooted in genocidal hate.
Feminists don't hate men. Boys and girls are both raised with harmful ideas about gender, you can't blame men as a group for the systems of oppression that exist in society.
"you can't blame men as a group for the systems of oppression that exist in society."
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I don't think you're a very good feminist.
Seriously, the feminist who refuses to blame men won't be occupying the corner office of any university faculty building anytime soon.
You'll end up sharing a cube with the token atheist down at Religious Studies, and that guy's got some serious halitosis, so you might want to reconsider.
@MetalMannequin "I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp, with a high-heel shoved in his mouth..." Don't pretend like feminazis aren't nazis. No sensible man or woman (feminism harms women, too, as anyone can see by looking around any western country) will tolerate you or your kind. You would be a humanist campaigning for men's rights if you weren't an evil, sexist bigot. Femifascists are nothing but self-obsessed children, and no words will change that.
Many feminists identify as humanists. The two ideologies are not incompatible. You clearly have no clue what feminism is and It would probably be impossible for me to convince you otherwise. I will not waste my time responding further to someone who is so far gone. Best of luck.
@MetalMannequin You're far gone, you feminazi sympathizer. To be a feminist, one might as well come out and join the Flat Earth Society. No, I will not tolerate the destruction of the family. Then again, if you ever took the time to speak to children whose families have been destroyed, then you might qualify as a "humanist." Maybe.
Your thoughts are well played and inspirational, Jessica Valenti is a waste of an ejaculation and an example of why women should be allowed to have abortions :)
@AmandaAthiest lol, Amanda, I just glanced at your name without concentrating at that fact that it's a girls name. When I first saw the picture that comes with the reply post, I thougt I was responding to a rocker dude and thinking wtf is up with this mangina what is his angle. It was not untill I actaully came back here to respond that I read through the name. The morale of the story, not all feminsist are fat, some just look like ugly men I swear on my life, I thought u were a man.
what you are saying dude is feminitism is a shell trick the con is the marriage contract and the sting is the Family Court rip offs odds on to follow the fitting of the dupe with a peonage contract sans his wealth future wages and his kids as her hostages to his fate
Feminism has made many changes in North American society and continues to do so. Hate it or love it, that's it...and you should probably learn the difference between modern and traditional feminism to sharpen your arguments by studying sociology.
This is a great video commentary. This proves my point against feminism. Feminist arguments are all ad hoc. Feminism is based on false premises and hatemongering statistics.
hey whoregirl "go and fuck eachother in the ass" thans but no thanks u femilesbos may believe in gay culture and lesbian sex , pls dont ask to do the same we not like u , u know , allow a bit of diversity here , it wouldnt be fun if everybody followed the feminists lead and became gay, we men prefer womens nice soft bottoms so no thanks to your gay beliefs and gay culture whoregirl femtard !
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your an IDIOT! YOUR language and BULSHIT CAN BE SMELD BY OTHER MEN ONLY. YOU have no clue of anything why dont you men like you go and fuck eachother in the ass and talk about your BULLSHIT ideas which remain bullshit.
"Your" is a possessive adjective, and is not to be mistaken for the verbal contraction "You're," a contraction for the words "you are." I note you lack education in this department, so I have most charitably provided you with the needed lesson, which I learned in 1st grade.
"Your" is a possessive adjective, and is not to be mistaken for the verbal contraction "You're," a contraction for the words "you are." I note you lack education in this department, so I have most charitably provided you with the needed lesson, which I learned in 1st grade.
"[sic] SMELD" - Let me enlighten you further. The word is "smelled."
I agrree with most of what you say except the part about women gaining rights soon after men. This is not true of Unviversities and Acadamies which began their history in the 1600's and did not start commonly admitting women until the middle of the 19th. The same is true of scientific societies. The French Acadamy refused Marie Curie early in the 20th century even tho she was the first scientist (male or female) to win 2 nobel prizes.
Hey modestgirl. Why did you delete this comment?**
"Im ashamed your female you dumb broad, being a feminist means that your brain can interpret the hegemonic bullshit of a sexist history and one of discrimination. The attempt of men to continue to define women needs to be ENDED. And feminism is that stop sign you dumb fuk+++ bit#"****
It's odd that you should talk about men defining women when you called me "half a man" in a PM which I'd also be happy to post here to jog your memory.
Feminism isn't all about making women to be goody-goody and men to be evil - you're just sprouting stereotypes about feminism. Anytime it raises issues in regards to the treatment and crimes committed against women, it doesn't apply the mindset or morality of those particular men or criminals to ALL men. You see MRA's do the same thing towards women.
About your part on differences between the sexes - feminists don't discuss EVERY single difference between the sexes.
"Feminism isn't all about making women to be goody-goody and men to be evil"
>>No, it's not ALL about it. But it's too much about it.
"You see MRA's do the same thing towards women."
>>And if the MRA's ever attain even half the strength of the modern feminist movement, it will be high time for them to shut the hell up as well. In fact, if the feminist movement were to collapse tomorrow, I'd be the first to tell the MRA's to pipe down.
Don't confuse anti-feminism with men's rights advocacy.
I'm thinking that those male schools were only male schools because women weren't allowed to either go to school or weren't encouraged to. I don't have a problem with all male schools in and of itself, but if they're only all male because of societal sexism and misogyny then that's a problem. Same goes for all female schools.
About history. What makes you think that male historians were any different than what you accuse feminists of doing. If history scholars completely ignored the some of the contributions and experience of women, then there will be some difference if someone teaches that particular historical event or experience.
"What makes you think that male historians were any different than what you accuse feminists of doing."
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Because male historians were not then (nor are they now) possessing and advancing an ideology that sees the opposite sex as an oppressive force that needs to be defeated.
The vast majority of male historians are not MRA's.
Feminism has serious problems. I consider myself a feminist, but am routinely disappointed by the behavior of my peers. We need to be working together on real problems, not flailing about perceived ones that have no statistical or empirical backing. The man-hating rhetoric also has to stop.
All of our complaints have not been addressed even today. Worldwide, women are denied basic rights and freedoms that we've come to enjoy here. There are other issues, but comment limit has arrived
I've taken Women's Studies and have been involved with feminist organizations for decades. I haven't heard anything of his points forced. Rather, it's discussed with a variety of opinions. He has a stereotypical view of feminism and doesn't understand what feminism is about.
I've only been involved for about three years, but I've heard a great number of women that sound exactly like this. I've also seen a great number that don't. Moderate feminists don't have much of a voice anymore. Our blogs aren't sensational, so they don't get much press or attention. It's hardly shocking that he thinks that the movement is driven by radicals.
I think he's a bit of a jerk, no lie. The disrespect of other opinions here is sobering. Still, he's not all wrong about some people.
If you consider yourself a feminist, then you are part of the problem. If feminism has such a bad rep then why do you feel the need to cling onto the name? You are only giving them support by clinging onto the name. I blame all feminist in America for the problem of feminism in America!
A Feminst who knows 'her' history - that'll be the day !
A man being scared of women - grow up - in the majority of things men are at both extemes of the Bell Curve - but can accept it ! What Feminists can't accept is that women generally are in the middle ! And they demand to be only at the top end - because they are women ! Men can accept their shortcomings where they exist (like they don't suffer from hysterical outbursts with monotonous regularity !)
I had a bargain book called the *Wisdom of Star Trek*. Well, all the feminists' (3rd wave) mentality can be summed up in 2 *Star Trek* TOS episodes and one Roddenberry TV movie: " Dolman of Elas," "The Turnabout Intruder," and *Planet Earth*. In *Planet Earth*, there was a society where men were called "dinks" and were slaves to women. Grant it is rather oppressive to force somone to marry. But if fems wanted men to march off to get them something they'd be talking men's *duty.* .
I would argue that he has a perfect understanding of some schools of radical feminism. I've seen and heard them, and I wish they'd get out of my cause.
That said, I also wish that discussions about feminism could take place without painting us all with the man-hating, statistics-phobic, illogical brush. A non-vocal majority just want all women to be afforded the same opportunities as men worldwide.
And that's me criticizing a sister feminist or fifty. And quotas are a terrible idea.
I've seen all the characteristics of pseudo-feminists mentioned... but no one mentioned this one i've been noticing for a while.
They MIX and MATCH arguments as it suits them. If today they want to prove one thing... they will use one argument... and tomorrow on another topic, they will use the completely opposite argument when needed.
And this is obvious and part of just about every discussion they have. Complete non-congruency.
There are so many anti-feminist clips on youtube.
I love it.
But what happened to the Father of Youtube Anti-feminists, Bill, the guy with false teeth. Maybe the truth hurt too many feminists and they got rid of him
"But what happened to the Father of Youtube Anti-feminists, Bill, the guy with false teeth."
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I don't know what happened to him.
And I never really understood what his lonely hearts club had to do with feminism or masculism.
He attempted to forge a link between feminism and his hard luck with the opposite sex. But in my mind, that link was tangential at best. And I'm being kind here.
People often turn to these gender centric ideologies as a result of their troubles with the opposite sex.
Could I ask why, if contemporary feminist thought is the topic of this essay, does it ignore the presence of a significant amount of criticism of earlier feminist thought and literature for not including discourse that dealt sufficiently with race or class?
You're right. I should have been more clear. Feminism is more than just a movement about equality of the genders; it is about showing how gender is an irrelevant construct. It's about sexuality and the gay movement. It's about race and religion and ethnicity and this us vs them feeling. All of these issues are connected and when someone argues against one of them, he or she argues against all of them. And when one supports one, he or she must decide to support all human rights.
The feminist movement itself only exists today because there is not equal rights for women, and if you look at pay scales for both genders that might be the easiest way for you to appreciate those distinctions. To have a problem with certain beliefs made by people who speak on feminist websites is fine, but to state that you are not a feminist is to merely state that you do not believe that men and women should be donned equal rights both legally and socially.
Saying that you're a feminist means you believe in equal rights "for women" so it's not really about equality is it? You come on here saying that there isn't equal rights for women but why not say that men don't equal rights with things like child custody? All i see from feminists is self centeredness and denial of men's issues [ you included].
You need yo go to the middle east, and never come back. I bet women in the middle east hate feminist in America. How exactly is women denied rights in America? You seem not to understand the diff between equal opportunity, and equal outcome. The back bone of America is as long as the playing field is leveled the outcome should not matter. Feminist realize that men generally dominate women in everything so they want to level the playing field in their favor. This is leaning towards fascism.
Also, the idea of attacking pornography has no bearing on whether something is conservative or liberal. You don't have to watch much pornography to see the awful subjection of women in this field, where they are treated as objects rather than as people. Comparing feminism to the religious right is just an absurd connection unless the religious right has recently begun fighting against gender norms without my knowledge.
And what social equality are they fighting for? Are they fighting for women being forced to sign up for the draft? Are they fighting the whole women and children first on the life boat? Are they fighting for how society see's a mans life as something that is expendable? Are they fighting the notion that people should not care about the problems of men? Are they fighting for prospective fathers in deciding the fate of their unborn child? Because currently the father have NO say what-so-ever!
In short, no. Feminism is not about putting men down or any of the things you listed. Please don't buy into the media stereotype of the "angry man-hating feminist".
Again, this is not the case today. In the past (about 30 yrs ago) some feminists were on board with the victimization thing but modern feminism views women and all people as capable of improving their lives and situations. Women are entitled to equality, as are all people. Leave it to conservatives to make entitlement into a bad thing.
@MetalMannequin You are kidding yourself if you believe that. Entitled means you think you deserve something which is unearned. That is no way a good thing. If you believe women don't have equality you are stupid. I have already named some ways in which women legally have more rights then men. Try naming 2 legal rights men have that women don't.
Wrong again lol. An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation. We are all entitled to have basic human rights, we don't have to "earn" them. Although women (in the US) have achieved a lot of legal victories we are still not treated equal. Men have the right to start a family without having to give up their jobs and Women may legally have the right to equal pay but in reality we only earn 80 cents on the dollar for the same labor.
@MetalMannequin I am unaware of any legislate that forces women to give up their jobs for their families. This is especially doesn't make sense because of stuff like maternity leave. The fact that you think that women are paid less shows your ignorance on the subject. Because if you knew what you were talking about you would know that women make less on average do to their own personal choices.
You act like just because things are illegal they don't happen. The stats I referenced are from the bureau of labor. Women choose to make less? That makes a lot of sense. Large numbers of people with the same characteristics have similar experiences and you think that is because they all made the same "personal choice". I don't think so. If women are equal, why are there so few women in congress and so few women CEOs. Must be personal choice again. That explains everything.
@MetalMannequin (Part 1 of 2) And this is also within that very same statistic "Readers
should note that the comparisons of earnings in this report are on a
broad level and do not control for many factors that can be significant in explaining earnings differences." There are several factors why men earn more. Women choose to earn less when they choose to major in a LA, and are prevented from moving up when they take time off for maternity leave.
@MetalMannequin (Part 2 of 2) First of all how common is it to find someone with the same experiences? How common is it to find someone with the same characteristics? Now what are the chances that they would be working in the same company, and lastly how is the DoL suppose to find enough of these rarities to form a study? This goes to show that you have never actually read the study and don't know WTF you are talking about. The study was taking over all occupations.
I don't know what the fuck you are trying to quote. I never claimed that all people have the same experiences so I don't know what exactly you are rambling about there. In reality women do not make as much as men in the same occupations for the same amount of work. You can chose to disregard this, or find bullshit stats claiming otherwise but that is the world we live in. Do you not agree that women deserve equal pay? I don't even know what you are trying to argue anymore.
@MetalMannequin My god you are stupid. THERE IS NO STATISTIC SAYING THAT WOMEN MAKE LESS IN THE SAME OCCUPATION. The pay gap is on ALL occupations, NOT the same occupation. The so called bullshit quote was from the bureau of labor. In the second fucking paragraph. Which is proof that your dumbass never read it. Come back when you have actually read the study, and not some feminists interpretation of it. There is a reason why the pay gap isn't even taught in woman's studies classes.
@hpufo You are truly a fucking moron. You are misinterpreting your own quote which is why I called it bullshit. The pay gap is studied in a variety of areas, not just gender studies and it is always taught that there is a pay gap for women and minorities because this is the reality. All legitimate academic studies show this. Both within the same fields and across the board. Try going to a library as opposed to google.
Feminism does not reject history or science. Your notions of it are entirely oversimplified; however it does recognize that these institutions are subjective and the assumptions we hold about them are often gendered in scope because throughout most of history they have been run entirely by men.
There is so much wrong with this video, and yet you have accomplished a number of things in this video. You have demonstrated the relevance of feminism in today's society by depicting that sexism still exists in a very real way. You have also demonstrated that there are still many highly intelligent people - and I do believe you are an intelligent individual - that don't really understand the feminist movement from its inception up until the present day.
I love it when people feel free to come and scribble nitpicking comments all over the comment section of one of my videos. But then these same people are not providing me with a video of their own creation on which I can scribble my nitpicking comments.
If you're going to paint graffiti on one of my canvases, at least have the decency of providing me with a canvas of your own on which to paint my graffiti.
"you attempt to minimalize the inequality in history leading up to the postmodern"
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Minimalize? I prefer the term contextualize.
Point of fact:
In England the suffragettes were demanding the vote for women at a time when working class men did not have the right to vote.
The Prime Minister at the time, Lloyd George thought this was unfair to working class men and wouldn't support female suffrage, instead he supported universal suffrage.
For this, the suffragettes attempted to assassinate him.
No one is arguing that there is no or never was class discrimination. The real point is that they both exist/have existed, not that one eclipses the other as you seem to think. You cant just ignore one in favor of the other; that would be foolish.
"Another realm in which the results of "equal opportunity" does not add up to equal results is.. can you guess it? Race, that's right. Do you also believe that there is some fundamental, biological difference between the races leading to this?"
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You presume that African Americans have equal opportunity in this country. For the most part this isn't true.
Study the budget disparities between the suburban public schools and their inner city counterparts if you need proof of this.
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You presume that African Americans have equal opportunity in this country. For the most part this isn't true.
Study the budget...
I am very well aware of these facts. I am pointing out an inconsistency in your arguments. Admitting that, even though a group other than women may have equal rights but could still have social factors putting it at a disadvantage is enough to reveal your bias.
"Admitting that, even though a group other than women may have equal rights but could still have social factors putting it at a disadvantage is enough to reveal your bias."
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Actually, the fact that you would attack someone for pointing out that gender bias weighs far less on women than other forms of bias is highly revealing of your bias.
The world is awash with the feminist dialectic, drowning out every other related social study and apparently you wouldn't have it any other way.
6:37 Another realm in which the results of "equal opportunity" does not add up to equal results is.. can you guess it? Race, that's right. Do you also believe that there is some fundamental, biological difference between the races leading to this? My point is this: you grossly oversimplify the matter.
8:10 You go very far out on a limb when you attempt to minimalize the inequality in history leading up to the postmodern era and lose a lot of credability in the process.
Comparing the history of women to the history of black people in America is the most inane error one could possibly make.
Yeah, let's compare the plight of my wealthy grandmother to the plight of the middle aged black couple who were her servants back in the 50's and 60's.
Let's talk about their shared history of oppression.
Do you realize how ridiculous it would be to make such a comparison?
That comparison is going to fall flat on it's face within one minute.
Your critique is horrible because you don't understand- you don't comprehend- feminism. I wish you would send these "essays" to these history and science scholars you mention.
Oh, and please look up "liberalism" again. Look it up in scholarly journals. There's a difference between economic, political, institutional, and social liberalism (just to name a field fields), genius.
"Your critique is horrible because you don't understand feminism."
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I judge a tree by its fruit. And the fruit of feminism does not take an advanced degree either to judge or describe.
In your comments I detect an attempt to obfuscate the reality of modern feminism and to marginalize my essay without refuting a single one of my assertions.
If you want to defend feminism, go right ahead. But you'll have to do better than this.
Say something that addresses the particulars of my essay.
Can I ask you a question. Could feminism be possibly rooted in envy as well? Meaning could they envy a mans nature viewing it possibly superior and hate their own nature cause they view it as somehow weak. Just a question I havent studyed feminism so educate me if you want.
"could they envy a mans nature viewing it possibly superior and hate their own nature "
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Well, the radical lesbians who actually dominate the feminist discourse and thus the modern movement definitely envy the male sex role and attempt to emulate it.
Why else would they say that straight, garden variety pornography demeans women?
Q. Straight pornography merely depicts a heterosexual couple having sex. How does that demean women?
A. They must believe that ordinary sex is demeaning to women.
Not only emulating that but I also notice some of those women espically on the talks shows brag about how successful they are and then complian why they don't have a man. They almost believe that having status and power makes them attractive and should be garenteed a man. They failed to realize thats not their stock. Just another observation.
Exactly. I feel somwhat the same way. One last thing about the sex thing. They call men pig for having so much sex and yet they want to do the same thing. Hypocirtes.
Haven't seen much porn have you? lol The fantasy implicit in most pornography is one in which the woman is reduced to a sex doll with a heartbeat with no qualms about submitting to any and every male desire, completely objectifying them. Now, that makes sense from an evolutionary and psychological perspective and it isn't reality so I don't denounce it, but YOU can't have it both ways. It does NOT depict women on equal terms with men, it does NOT depict women as they are, it DOES demean them.
"porn...does NOT depict women on equal terms with men, it does NOT depict women as they are"
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The only difference between 90% of porn and watching gorillas mate at the zoo is that the gorillas get it over with quickly, employing only one position while the humans stretch it out for as long as possible, employing multiple positions.
When someone says that porn is demeaning to women, what they're really saying is that sex is demeaning to women.
"...the woman is reduced to a sex doll...completely objectifying them."
>>This is the typical feminist narrative. But in fact, human sex is probably the least "objectifying" of females because it is the only one in which the female occasionally mounts the male.
Has a female ever manipulated your penis until it was erect? Wasn't she "in charge?"
Other mammals don't do that.
"Now, that makes sense from an evolutionary and psychological perspective and it isn't reality."
That quote is a fragment of my sentence and doesn't even represent a logical step - just information. If I wasn't clear, let me restate. I said, "Now, that makes sense from an evolutionary and psychological perspective and it isn't reality so I don't denounce it..." The point here is that you can understand the reasons for the nature of pornography objectively from an evolutionary or psychological perspective. Also it is not representative of reality. Hence I see it as largely innocuous. Get it?
Jesus Christ. Are you reading some feminists blogs or wikipedia or something? It is really unfortunate and apparent you don't understand feminist philosophy. Have you ever read Cixous or Kristeva? Or are you just so blinded by your delusions you refuse to read these feminist, post-modernist, and philosophical arguments intelligently? You seem to have some intelligence, but it's absolutely misguided if you make these illogical assumptions in your "essays."
Women, innocent victims? Hahahahahahahahahahahah. Good one. There's a reason why men have a leash on women; and that's because we're aware of the manipulation they are capable of. Science has proven that us men go gaga at the insinuation of sex; and thus women have a significant advantage as they in general do not. Oh, and TheEditorialist - lose the goddamned shades, you look like a douche.
These women--and what female isn't a feminist these days--are becoming more and more disgusting by the day. I saw a woman the other day talking to her 2 year old son like he was a dog. ''I'm going to lock you in the closet if you don't come over here right now!'' Just another disgusting, deep voiced, obnoxious loud mouth. And when they were leaving this store, the 2 yr old boy went out first and she said ''That's right, you hold the door open for women!'' Disgusting sow--another boy ruined!
well they deserve that feminist bitches deserve it for what their doing to their male children like beating them trying to decipline them mutilating them circumcision and all that other sick shit i mean you won`t belive how many sick bitches do that some do it even more than once on the same kid i couldn`t imagine doing that to my son even if i were to hate men
regresseur, you have it covered wall to wall. You go, man. Did that sound kinda gay? Anyway, I wanted to add just one other fact:: a rape shield law was used to block the introduction of the fact the woman who accused Mike Tyson of rape in the 90's a nineteen-year-old , had previously falsely accused another man of rape to avoid angering her father about her sexual activity. Sexual history?. No, lying history! Google. Tnx.
Within any civilization, males are more valuable than females. ''But we have babies, so we're more valuable!'', the little neo-feminist argues. You do have babies, I say, but childbirth doesn't build civilizations. It only populates them. If the female talent of bearing young were enough, then dogs, cats, apes and rats would all be driving cars and flying planes, because the females of their species also bear young. Men have built all civilizations, and tamed feral females to stock them.
I find both sexes think of themselves as more valuable than the other but feminists only see the side of society that values men more. As always, they only see the side that fits their ideology.
... I disagree. I consider myself a feminist but i don't view women as victims. We've simply developed a society where men have more opportunities in life. We, as a society, are fixing that problem now, but there's still work to be done. As far as i'm concerned, the issues surrounding womens rights and gender equality extend to men as well. Like i've said many times before, men are subjected to sexism in areas of life as well. Particularly in the family court. Those issues are equally important.
"Like i've said many times before, men are subjected to sexism in areas of life as well. Particularly in the family court. Those issues are equally important."
I get what you're saying. I know that today we have the same legal opportunities as men (for the most part, except in areas like the military), but we still have risidual social barriers from the days (less than 50 years ago) when we didn't. It's a social thing now, which is hard to counteract because people can easily say things like "no you don't" and there's no legal argument. It's things like who gets the pay raise or the promotion. It's easy enough to find the statistics.
The first question doesn't make sense, so i can't answer it.
I've seen statistics that suggest otherwise, so, if you're right then so be it, but i don't believe you because i've seen evidence against what you're saying. There are other things though, like who's more likely to be selected for a job, a man or a woman blah blah blah. I'm not saying that the world isn't getting better, it's immeasurably better than it used to be, we just have a little way to go before we've achieved equality.
Okay yeah, i get what you're saying. I agree that the average wages between men and women are different because of the career choices each gender seems to make (which i believe is the result of social prejudices, but free choice none the less), but i'm not talking about that. I'm talking about same qualifications, same job, different pay, and it does happen. It's certainly getting better but it's not happening everywhere.
Well why would somebody assume that a man isn't a better parent than a woman based on his gender? Sexism isn't rational. Simple dominant ideology is responsible for both irrational situations. We, as a society, have simply been taught to believe that a man is a more valuable worker, and a woman is a more valuable parent. Our ideology takes precedence over logic.
You're right, it doesn't make sense, but it DOES happen.
Also, if you'd read some of my other comments on this page, you'd know that i'm equally in favour of reaching gender equality for men. I don't want to have to repeat myself but it's in my comments somewhere on this page.
I don't think i'm disagreeing with you for the most part. No specific group is to blame for the prejudices our society has towards either gender in different aspects of life, but we still need to work together to change for the better.
Yep, and the feminists whom claim that they do want equality don't take on the leaders of the so called movement.
Notice how when something happens to men people have the attitude that "it's rare" and when something happens to women, no matter how rare, it's a tragedy.
I always ask feminist supporters the "tough" questions to see what kind of answers I'll get.
Because we are animals and ruled by subconscious forces that have evolved for a specific purpose (procreation) we tend to place more emphasis on the welfare of females, since these organisms can procreate quite efficiently in a polygamous structure that includes only one virile male organism with which multiple females can mate.
Of course, this breeding strategy doesn't function well for an advanced society, in which male labor participation is essential to the propagation of the specie.
The mammalian breeding strategy makes better use of females en masse than it does of males en masse.
The primitive society that saw to the physical security of the female population had a reproductive advantage over any that might not have preferred the females.
In social units we are programmed to guard and protect the females, because even if most of us males die doing so, the remaining males will breed with multiple females, the population will remain stable and the group will remain intact.
Thus in this group of primates we call human society (but you'll notice females referring to it as "our society" for indeed they are the beneficiaries) the males and females both are programmed to look after the welfare of females en masse, while largely disregarding the welfare of males en masse.
Simply put, it's because so few males can impregnate so many females. From an evolutionary perspective only a relative few males are required and so the rest are expendable.
How are males more valuable than females? What is your definition of "valuable"? The problem I have with seemingly all of your comments is that I don't know understand your reasoning behind any of them. Obviously you're not about to offer up scientific proof for your claims. Like your notion that women are feral by their nature (whatever that means) -- what about the women in relatively untouched tribes around the world -- have they fallen into such motherly roles only by being (cont.)
subjugated by the males, or perhaps because it is their (women's) nature to do so, and that they do so in these cases because their nature is not being corrupted and snuffed out by media, politics-propaganda and money? You apparently never consider such things as a cause for the apparent social dysfunction of the West, and it boggles my mind as to why. It's like you feel you HAVE TO blame women directly for these social problems. Such idiocy. Let me know when you get laid.
Editorialist, youre a deep thinker, Im sure you mannerism and excellent logic, endlessly pisses off feminist. Regardless, NEVER stop, they WONT hear what you say regardless of your tone. Thanks keep up the Vedios
(See below) Take away feminism and the current state of affairs they have put Western Culture in and I could/used to feel this way. Now I just get pissed when I hear stuff like that. Way to go feminism.
Im watching the news about the plan the landed in Hudson River, 3 times I heard WOMEN and children 1st. When feminist start to denounce this, AND MEAN IT, I will become a feminist. I try very hard not to generalize and remain LOGICAL, but none the less. The more I listen to feminist, the more I resent women, even the ones I love. Im not proud of this, Im being honest, good job feminist
I will speak until I am red in the face about how LAME pornography is. Porn is largely made for men, even playGIRL was directed at gay men - not women. So why do feminists get annoyed with that? I'll let you figure it out.
Porn is not for women and that's why feminists are bothered by it. If porn was equally for women and men - then men would have prosthetic dicks the same way women have prosthetic tits. Men would be forced to attempt to look like something that doesn't really exist.
Many girls probably aren't very stimulated by contemporary porn. But I dated a few who were.
So porn is for some women, by my experience at least.
And there are plenty of porn actresses with natural breasts and actors with big penises, so I don't think silicone and prosthetics are really needed by that industry.
I don't know why you're generalizing so much. Sweeping generalizations must be part of the feminist dialectic.
Which women's colleges have successfully rejected male students? Or is it that male students aren't trying to enter all women's colleges while women are trying to enter all men's colleges? You kind of glazed over that part...
I agree. I took a women's literature class and the one guy who signed up for the class, left after the first day. Yet, I took geology classes in college and despite the fact that I was the ONLY girl in the class, I continued on.
Yeah, well I took this men's literature class and uh...oh wait that doesn't exist.
Then I took this geology class, that had nothing to do with gender, since it was all about rocks.
No girls were interested in it since it wasn't tied to debating about society.
And rocks don't have gender and get oppressed and stuff, so it's like really boring.
The prof thought if he could tie geo-morphism into a discussion about date rape he could get more girls interested in the class but I wasn't optimistic.
I dunno, as a male I got the highest grade in my Women's Literature class. It isn't that hard; all that you have to do is criticize male characters and make excuses for poor female behavior. =/
it took 10years for women to get the voting rights when men still had to go into war against their consent. women had the choice not to opt for war and feminists caused bloodbath genocide, shamed men into wars and got women to sign conscriptions to promise that theyd never be seen in public with men who refused to go into war, and men who didnt fight wars at draft time were most likely thrown into prison for treason if not worse but women are for feminism despite all that?
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Norway recently withdrew all the funding to so called "gender studies" in scientific research much due to a documentary "hjernevask" (Brainwash) shown on National Tv NRK. It shines the light on how feminism do not hold up to science when faced with biology and psychology.
sweden still keeps up the gender fascism.
The show has English subtitles and should be seen and spread by anybody antifeminist and interested in the present nordic situation.
Just search " hjernevask english " on youtube.
crangdaniel 1 week ago
The woman on that Feministing video was talking about sexists and/or misogynists, not all men. Do you think it's not sexist to say things like, 'get back in the kitchen, bitch', or, 'tits of GTFO', or even, 'feminists need to feel the back of a man's hand'? These are the type of sexist and misogynistic comments left for most feminism videos. And, weirdly, you still seem to think that there is no need for feminism.
WarmLittleDiamond90 2 months ago
Actually, feminism is about equality; viewing men and women as equals. Thus, a feminists doesn't view something a woman says as inherently better or less worthy of criticism than something a man says. Feminists don't like women or men to be put on pedestals based on their sex. It appears that you didn't do your research before making this video.You make a lot of claims which merely reflect an ignorant view of feminism based on stereotypes. Perhaps you should actually read some books.
WarmLittleDiamond90 2 months ago
Science and history are master discourses perpetuated by hetro-normativity!
lilsean1 5 months ago
love you logic.
rabidmonkey100 7 months ago
You should refer to groups of people in the same way they refer to themselves. Calling someone a feminazi makes everything you say a lot less effective. Anyway, there are many types of feminists, most are pro-family and pro-fathers rights as well as mothers rights. You simply cannot make vast generalizations about feminists without being a bit more specific. What makes you think I don't come from a "destroyed" family myself?
MetalMannequin 11 months ago
@MetalMannequin
"You should refer to groups of people in the same way they refer to themselves"
*****
Big mistake. Consider the following:
Hypocrites call themselves Christians, but in fact they are hypocrites.
Wiccans refer to themselves as witches, but in fact they are morons.
I could go on and on. But the upshot is this; call em like you see em.
jmo
TheEditorialist 11 months ago
One more thing, Editorialist: don't forget that feminazis say that you can't discriminate against females, but they are perfectly fine with, and in fact the very term "feminist" discriminates against males. Hyp-O-Crites.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
nice vid. Thanx for posting
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
Most of your points critique the faults of second wave feminist theory, which has become outdated and is no longer "modern feminism" as I believe you referred to it. Although there were many problems with that era of feminist thought, it was a necessary stage in reaching our current level of understanding.
True feminism seeks to dismantle sexism not just for women, but acknowledges the negative impacts that sexism has on men and the intersection of oppressions between gender, race and class.
MetalMannequin 1 year ago 2
@MetalMannequin
"True feminism seeks to dismantle sexism not just for women, but acknowledges the negative impacts that sexism has on men"
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I'm not feeling it sister.
And I'm afraid most of my brothers would readily agree with me.
Our generation is just a rounding error in some future chronology anyway.
"Back in the year 2010*, people were all fucked up."
*+100 or -100 years.
Anyway, it was a friendly sentiment that you were expressing so "bravo...the old college try..." and all that.
jmo
TheEditorialist 1 year ago
@TheEditorialist
If you were to participate in any type of feminist or woman's rights event today you would undoubtedly feel the presence of that sentiment.
Although I disagree with your premise, you make some valid critiques of feminism in the west. It's just that you're engaging with outdated feminist theory. Feminists today recognize the problems with viewing all women as victims, and contemporary scholars constantly challenge that outdated notion.
MetalMannequin 1 year ago
@MetalMannequin
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I heard recently that the American Nazi Party was going to drop the anti-Jewish plank from its campaign platform and even open the rolls up to Jewish members.
I'm still not joining it though.
That brand is ruined beyond repair.
And so is feminism. As a brand it's ruined.
Get a new name. Get a new brand. The word feminism will never live down its association with sexist, misandric hate speech.
TheEditorialist 1 year ago
@TheEditorialist
Well I don't feel that you can even compare the American Nazi Party to any form of the Feminist movement. There were some problems with historical feminist thought, but the ideology isn't rooted in genocidal hate.
Fair enough on the rebranding.
MetalMannequin 1 year ago
@MetalMannequin
"There were some problems...but the ideology isn't rooted in genocidal hate."
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No, it's rooted in hatred of a gender which, according to feminists is a social construct, much in the way that Judaism is a social construct.
1.Identify a social construct (black, jew, men etc...)
2.develop a narrative that blames this construct for the evils of the world.
3.Oppress this construct (how else but through its individual members)
It's got rhyme and rhythm
TheEditorialist 1 year ago 2
@TheEditorialist
Feminists don't hate men. Boys and girls are both raised with harmful ideas about gender, you can't blame men as a group for the systems of oppression that exist in society.
MetalMannequin 1 year ago
@MetalMannequin
"you can't blame men as a group for the systems of oppression that exist in society."
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I don't think you're a very good feminist.
Seriously, the feminist who refuses to blame men won't be occupying the corner office of any university faculty building anytime soon.
You'll end up sharing a cube with the token atheist down at Religious Studies, and that guy's got some serious halitosis, so you might want to reconsider.
Peace
TheEditorialist 1 year ago
@MetalMannequin "I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp, with a high-heel shoved in his mouth..." Don't pretend like feminazis aren't nazis. No sensible man or woman (feminism harms women, too, as anyone can see by looking around any western country) will tolerate you or your kind. You would be a humanist campaigning for men's rights if you weren't an evil, sexist bigot. Femifascists are nothing but self-obsessed children, and no words will change that.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
@Lachdenan
Many feminists identify as humanists. The two ideologies are not incompatible. You clearly have no clue what feminism is and It would probably be impossible for me to convince you otherwise. I will not waste my time responding further to someone who is so far gone. Best of luck.
MetalMannequin 1 year ago
@MetalMannequin You're far gone, you feminazi sympathizer. To be a feminist, one might as well come out and join the Flat Earth Society. No, I will not tolerate the destruction of the family. Then again, if you ever took the time to speak to children whose families have been destroyed, then you might qualify as a "humanist." Maybe.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
@MetalMannequin
great points!
elbib1 1 year ago
Your thoughts are well played and inspirational, Jessica Valenti is a waste of an ejaculation and an example of why women should be allowed to have abortions :)
MrLycanthropy 1 year ago
Have you ever thought about having a nose job?
giveitfoive 1 year ago
feminist are stupid and almsot alway fat
1a2b3c100t 1 year ago 5
@1a2b3c100t So are trolls.
AmandaAthiest 1 year ago
@AmandaAthiest lol, Amanda, I just glanced at your name without concentrating at that fact that it's a girls name. When I first saw the picture that comes with the reply post, I thougt I was responding to a rocker dude and thinking wtf is up with this mangina what is his angle. It was not untill I actaully came back here to respond that I read through the name. The morale of the story, not all feminsist are fat, some just look like ugly men I swear on my life, I thought u were a man.
1a2b3c100t 1 year ago
what you are saying dude is feminitism is a shell trick the con is the marriage contract and the sting is the Family Court rip offs odds on to follow the fitting of the dupe with a peonage contract sans his wealth future wages and his kids as her hostages to his fate
shazam20007 1 year ago 2
.....EXCELLENT, (excellent)
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
Bravo sir
MrSuperJuden 2 years ago
Feminists are idiots. You are an idiot. Women in general are idiots. Men in general are idiots. People everywhere are idiots. Idiots, idiots, idiots.
We are doomed.
ABRIcations 2 years ago
You should make a video that is directed to those "Mary Daly" types..you know..the ones who promote the genocide of men..
And they wonder where the term "FemiNAZI" came from..
Nightshade323 2 years ago
This ranks among one of the best verbal essays of it's type on youtube.
Yourebuying 2 years ago
Feminism has made many changes in North American society and continues to do so. Hate it or love it, that's it...and you should probably learn the difference between modern and traditional feminism to sharpen your arguments by studying sociology.
fftoocool 2 years ago
A new definition of feminsim should be Confusion.
Verlch 2 years ago
This is a great video commentary. This proves my point against feminism. Feminist arguments are all ad hoc. Feminism is based on false premises and hatemongering statistics.
TediusZanarukando 2 years ago
Excellent video commentary. I am posting it to the front page of MND in the PODSPOT section.
TheHappyMisogynist 2 years ago
hey whoregirl "go and fuck eachother in the ass" thans but no thanks u femilesbos may believe in gay culture and lesbian sex , pls dont ask to do the same we not like u , u know , allow a bit of diversity here , it wouldnt be fun if everybody followed the feminists lead and became gay, we men prefer womens nice soft bottoms so no thanks to your gay beliefs and gay culture whoregirl femtard !
denizen09 2 years ago
US Feminism= Elitist BS!
vastedda99 2 years ago 13
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your an IDIOT! YOUR language and BULSHIT CAN BE SMELD BY OTHER MEN ONLY. YOU have no clue of anything why dont you men like you go and fuck eachother in the ass and talk about your BULLSHIT ideas which remain bullshit.
modestgirl1 2 years ago
The irony comes fast and furious from these more modest feminists like modestgirl1 here.
Yeah, I laughed a little.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
@modestgirl1 "[sic] your an idiot"
"Your" is a possessive adjective, and is not to be mistaken for the verbal contraction "You're," a contraction for the words "you are." I note you lack education in this department, so I have most charitably provided you with the needed lesson, which I learned in 1st grade.
UcchanNoInazuke 1 year ago
@modestgirl1 "[sic] your an idiot"
"Your" is a possessive adjective, and is not to be mistaken for the verbal contraction "You're," a contraction for the words "you are." I note you lack education in this department, so I have most charitably provided you with the needed lesson, which I learned in 1st grade.
"[sic] SMELD" - Let me enlighten you further. The word is "smelled."
"[sic] eachother" - "each other" is two words.
UcchanNoInazuke 1 year ago
WOW!
You are SPOT-ON!
sccrow72 2 years ago
I agrree with most of what you say except the part about women gaining rights soon after men. This is not true of Unviversities and Acadamies which began their history in the 1600's and did not start commonly admitting women until the middle of the 19th. The same is true of scientific societies. The French Acadamy refused Marie Curie early in the 20th century even tho she was the first scientist (male or female) to win 2 nobel prizes.
madscirat 2 years ago
Yes, the denial of rights to education (and personal credit, for that matter) came later.
My mother's generation and older ones had a right to complain, but my generation and younger, do not.
jmo
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
BRILLIANT TRUTH! AND THIS MAKES ME ASHAMED TO BE FEMALE.
reasonable feminist? an oxymoron haha
chanlately 2 years ago
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modestgirl1 2 years ago
Hey modestgirl. Why did you delete this comment?**
"Im ashamed your female you dumb broad, being a feminist means that your brain can interpret the hegemonic bullshit of a sexist history and one of discrimination. The attempt of men to continue to define women needs to be ENDED. And feminism is that stop sign you dumb fuk+++ bit#"****
It's odd that you should talk about men defining women when you called me "half a man" in a PM which I'd also be happy to post here to jog your memory.
LOL
FAIL
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Feminism isn't all about making women to be goody-goody and men to be evil - you're just sprouting stereotypes about feminism. Anytime it raises issues in regards to the treatment and crimes committed against women, it doesn't apply the mindset or morality of those particular men or criminals to ALL men. You see MRA's do the same thing towards women.
About your part on differences between the sexes - feminists don't discuss EVERY single difference between the sexes.
Renee84 2 years ago
"Feminism isn't all about making women to be goody-goody and men to be evil"
>>No, it's not ALL about it. But it's too much about it.
"You see MRA's do the same thing towards women."
>>And if the MRA's ever attain even half the strength of the modern feminist movement, it will be high time for them to shut the hell up as well. In fact, if the feminist movement were to collapse tomorrow, I'd be the first to tell the MRA's to pipe down.
Don't confuse anti-feminism with men's rights advocacy.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
I'm thinking that those male schools were only male schools because women weren't allowed to either go to school or weren't encouraged to. I don't have a problem with all male schools in and of itself, but if they're only all male because of societal sexism and misogyny then that's a problem. Same goes for all female schools.
Renee84 2 years ago
About history. What makes you think that male historians were any different than what you accuse feminists of doing. If history scholars completely ignored the some of the contributions and experience of women, then there will be some difference if someone teaches that particular historical event or experience.
Renee84 2 years ago
"What makes you think that male historians were any different than what you accuse feminists of doing."
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Because male historians were not then (nor are they now) possessing and advancing an ideology that sees the opposite sex as an oppressive force that needs to be defeated.
The vast majority of male historians are not MRA's.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Feminism has serious problems. I consider myself a feminist, but am routinely disappointed by the behavior of my peers. We need to be working together on real problems, not flailing about perceived ones that have no statistical or empirical backing. The man-hating rhetoric also has to stop.
All of our complaints have not been addressed even today. Worldwide, women are denied basic rights and freedoms that we've come to enjoy here. There are other issues, but comment limit has arrived
visualiconkdawg 2 years ago 3
I've taken Women's Studies and have been involved with feminist organizations for decades. I haven't heard anything of his points forced. Rather, it's discussed with a variety of opinions. He has a stereotypical view of feminism and doesn't understand what feminism is about.
shirehorse9 2 years ago
I've only been involved for about three years, but I've heard a great number of women that sound exactly like this. I've also seen a great number that don't. Moderate feminists don't have much of a voice anymore. Our blogs aren't sensational, so they don't get much press or attention. It's hardly shocking that he thinks that the movement is driven by radicals.
I think he's a bit of a jerk, no lie. The disrespect of other opinions here is sobering. Still, he's not all wrong about some people.
visualiconkdawg 2 years ago
If you consider yourself a feminist, then you are part of the problem. If feminism has such a bad rep then why do you feel the need to cling onto the name? You are only giving them support by clinging onto the name. I blame all feminist in America for the problem of feminism in America!
hpufo 2 years ago
u are not a feminist - rule number one - feminists dont hate men! u are an imposter, clearly! why do u think u are fooling people?
brebre1920 2 years ago
He's great. Hang the feminists before the last tree is gone.
ElderGogol 2 years ago
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Oh blah blah blah. You men are so pathetic. So scared by women, scared of them knowing their history etc. Just go away.
bundleHastings 2 years ago
XD hahaha scared? of you? (pats your head) no no, you are just as dangerous as anyone else.
Halick 2 years ago
Lets be real here. Men are better than women at everything! Just why would he be afraid of women?
hpufo 2 years ago
A Feminst who knows 'her' history - that'll be the day !
A man being scared of women - grow up - in the majority of things men are at both extemes of the Bell Curve - but can accept it ! What Feminists can't accept is that women generally are in the middle ! And they demand to be only at the top end - because they are women ! Men can accept their shortcomings where they exist (like they don't suffer from hysterical outbursts with monotonous regularity !)
harrysfan 2 years ago
I had a bargain book called the *Wisdom of Star Trek*. Well, all the feminists' (3rd wave) mentality can be summed up in 2 *Star Trek* TOS episodes and one Roddenberry TV movie: " Dolman of Elas," "The Turnabout Intruder," and *Planet Earth*. In *Planet Earth*, there was a society where men were called "dinks" and were slaves to women. Grant it is rather oppressive to force somone to marry. But if fems wanted men to march off to get them something they'd be talking men's *duty.* .
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
You have no understanding of feminism.
shirehorse9 2 years ago
I would argue that he has a perfect understanding of some schools of radical feminism. I've seen and heard them, and I wish they'd get out of my cause.
That said, I also wish that discussions about feminism could take place without painting us all with the man-hating, statistics-phobic, illogical brush. A non-vocal majority just want all women to be afforded the same opportunities as men worldwide.
And that's me criticizing a sister feminist or fifty. And quotas are a terrible idea.
visualiconkdawg 2 years ago 2
visualiconkdawg most feminists are man haters. As a black man I can tell you the misandry in America is worse than the racism.
mrblackalchemist 2 years ago
YES! Finally a video that mentions this, lol.
I've seen all the characteristics of pseudo-feminists mentioned... but no one mentioned this one i've been noticing for a while.
They MIX and MATCH arguments as it suits them. If today they want to prove one thing... they will use one argument... and tomorrow on another topic, they will use the completely opposite argument when needed.
And this is obvious and part of just about every discussion they have. Complete non-congruency.
AlekNovy 2 years ago
I Completely Agree 100% With Everything You Say
Estocavio 2 years ago 3
They seek to destroy what they fear.
amosiren 2 years ago
he is absolutely right about feminists....lol....this is shit is funny....
delorianstar 2 years ago
LMFAO
There are so many anti-feminist clips on youtube.
I love it.
But what happened to the Father of Youtube Anti-feminists, Bill, the guy with false teeth. Maybe the truth hurt too many feminists and they got rid of him
johnnyponny4 2 years ago
"But what happened to the Father of Youtube Anti-feminists, Bill, the guy with false teeth."
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I don't know what happened to him.
And I never really understood what his lonely hearts club had to do with feminism or masculism.
He attempted to forge a link between feminism and his hard luck with the opposite sex. But in my mind, that link was tangential at best. And I'm being kind here.
People often turn to these gender centric ideologies as a result of their troubles with the opposite sex.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Preach it brother
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Could I ask why, if contemporary feminist thought is the topic of this essay, does it ignore the presence of a significant amount of criticism of earlier feminist thought and literature for not including discourse that dealt sufficiently with race or class?
cdbaxte 2 years ago
You're right. I should have been more clear. Feminism is more than just a movement about equality of the genders; it is about showing how gender is an irrelevant construct. It's about sexuality and the gay movement. It's about race and religion and ethnicity and this us vs them feeling. All of these issues are connected and when someone argues against one of them, he or she argues against all of them. And when one supports one, he or she must decide to support all human rights.
skaplan11 2 years ago
The feminist movement itself only exists today because there is not equal rights for women, and if you look at pay scales for both genders that might be the easiest way for you to appreciate those distinctions. To have a problem with certain beliefs made by people who speak on feminist websites is fine, but to state that you are not a feminist is to merely state that you do not believe that men and women should be donned equal rights both legally and socially.
skaplan11 2 years ago
Saying that you're a feminist means you believe in equal rights "for women" so it's not really about equality is it? You come on here saying that there isn't equal rights for women but why not say that men don't equal rights with things like child custody? All i see from feminists is self centeredness and denial of men's issues [ you included].
acadiantunes 2 years ago 2
You need yo go to the middle east, and never come back. I bet women in the middle east hate feminist in America. How exactly is women denied rights in America? You seem not to understand the diff between equal opportunity, and equal outcome. The back bone of America is as long as the playing field is leveled the outcome should not matter. Feminist realize that men generally dominate women in everything so they want to level the playing field in their favor. This is leaning towards fascism.
hpufo 2 years ago 4
sorry 2 sound ignorant here, can u break it down
UltraDOG17 2 years ago
Break what down?
hpufo 2 years ago
Also, the idea of attacking pornography has no bearing on whether something is conservative or liberal. You don't have to watch much pornography to see the awful subjection of women in this field, where they are treated as objects rather than as people. Comparing feminism to the religious right is just an absurd connection unless the religious right has recently begun fighting against gender norms without my knowledge.
skaplan11 2 years ago 2
And what social equality are they fighting for? Are they fighting for women being forced to sign up for the draft? Are they fighting the whole women and children first on the life boat? Are they fighting for how society see's a mans life as something that is expendable? Are they fighting the notion that people should not care about the problems of men? Are they fighting for prospective fathers in deciding the fate of their unborn child? Because currently the father have NO say what-so-ever!
hpufo 2 years ago 10
@hpufo
In short, no. Feminism is not about putting men down or any of the things you listed. Please don't buy into the media stereotype of the "angry man-hating feminist".
MetalMannequin 10 months ago
@MetalMannequin Your right it is about victim complexes, special treatment, and a massive sense of entitlement.
hpufo 10 months ago
@hpufo
Again, this is not the case today. In the past (about 30 yrs ago) some feminists were on board with the victimization thing but modern feminism views women and all people as capable of improving their lives and situations. Women are entitled to equality, as are all people. Leave it to conservatives to make entitlement into a bad thing.
MetalMannequin 10 months ago
@MetalMannequin You are kidding yourself if you believe that. Entitled means you think you deserve something which is unearned. That is no way a good thing. If you believe women don't have equality you are stupid. I have already named some ways in which women legally have more rights then men. Try naming 2 legal rights men have that women don't.
hpufo 10 months ago
@hpufo
Wrong again lol. An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation. We are all entitled to have basic human rights, we don't have to "earn" them. Although women (in the US) have achieved a lot of legal victories we are still not treated equal. Men have the right to start a family without having to give up their jobs and Women may legally have the right to equal pay but in reality we only earn 80 cents on the dollar for the same labor.
MetalMannequin 10 months ago
@MetalMannequin I am unaware of any legislate that forces women to give up their jobs for their families. This is especially doesn't make sense because of stuff like maternity leave. The fact that you think that women are paid less shows your ignorance on the subject. Because if you knew what you were talking about you would know that women make less on average do to their own personal choices.
hpufo 10 months ago
@hpufo
You act like just because things are illegal they don't happen. The stats I referenced are from the bureau of labor. Women choose to make less? That makes a lot of sense. Large numbers of people with the same characteristics have similar experiences and you think that is because they all made the same "personal choice". I don't think so. If women are equal, why are there so few women in congress and so few women CEOs. Must be personal choice again. That explains everything.
MetalMannequin 10 months ago
@MetalMannequin (Part 1 of 2) And this is also within that very same statistic "Readers
should note that the comparisons of earnings in this report are on a
broad level and do not control for many factors that can be significant in explaining earnings differences." There are several factors why men earn more. Women choose to earn less when they choose to major in a LA, and are prevented from moving up when they take time off for maternity leave.
hpufo 10 months ago
@MetalMannequin (Part 2 of 2) First of all how common is it to find someone with the same experiences? How common is it to find someone with the same characteristics? Now what are the chances that they would be working in the same company, and lastly how is the DoL suppose to find enough of these rarities to form a study? This goes to show that you have never actually read the study and don't know WTF you are talking about. The study was taking over all occupations.
hpufo 10 months ago
@hpufo
I don't know what the fuck you are trying to quote. I never claimed that all people have the same experiences so I don't know what exactly you are rambling about there. In reality women do not make as much as men in the same occupations for the same amount of work. You can chose to disregard this, or find bullshit stats claiming otherwise but that is the world we live in. Do you not agree that women deserve equal pay? I don't even know what you are trying to argue anymore.
MetalMannequin 10 months ago
@MetalMannequin My god you are stupid. THERE IS NO STATISTIC SAYING THAT WOMEN MAKE LESS IN THE SAME OCCUPATION. The pay gap is on ALL occupations, NOT the same occupation. The so called bullshit quote was from the bureau of labor. In the second fucking paragraph. Which is proof that your dumbass never read it. Come back when you have actually read the study, and not some feminists interpretation of it. There is a reason why the pay gap isn't even taught in woman's studies classes.
hpufo 10 months ago
@hpufo You are truly a fucking moron. You are misinterpreting your own quote which is why I called it bullshit. The pay gap is studied in a variety of areas, not just gender studies and it is always taught that there is a pay gap for women and minorities because this is the reality. All legitimate academic studies show this. Both within the same fields and across the board. Try going to a library as opposed to google.
MetalMannequin 10 months ago
Feminism does not reject history or science. Your notions of it are entirely oversimplified; however it does recognize that these institutions are subjective and the assumptions we hold about them are often gendered in scope because throughout most of history they have been run entirely by men.
skaplan11 2 years ago
There is so much wrong with this video, and yet you have accomplished a number of things in this video. You have demonstrated the relevance of feminism in today's society by depicting that sexism still exists in a very real way. You have also demonstrated that there are still many highly intelligent people - and I do believe you are an intelligent individual - that don't really understand the feminist movement from its inception up until the present day.
skaplan11 2 years ago
I would love to see a debate between TheEditorialist and Jessica Valenti.
Markohoppis 2 years ago 2
I love it when people feel free to come and scribble nitpicking comments all over the comment section of one of my videos. But then these same people are not providing me with a video of their own creation on which I can scribble my nitpicking comments.
If you're going to paint graffiti on one of my canvases, at least have the decency of providing me with a canvas of your own on which to paint my graffiti.
Where is your sense of fair play?
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
"you attempt to minimalize the inequality in history leading up to the postmodern"
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Minimalize? I prefer the term contextualize.
Point of fact:
In England the suffragettes were demanding the vote for women at a time when working class men did not have the right to vote.
The Prime Minister at the time, Lloyd George thought this was unfair to working class men and wouldn't support female suffrage, instead he supported universal suffrage.
For this, the suffragettes attempted to assassinate him.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
I prefer the term contextualize.
Point of fact:
In England the suffragettes
No one is arguing that there is no or never was class discrimination. The real point is that they both exist/have existed, not that one eclipses the other as you seem to think. You cant just ignore one in favor of the other; that would be foolish.
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
"You cant just ignore one in favor of the other"
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So a mountain of blogs and websites addressing the mole hill of gender discrimination are allowed to flourish.
But as soon as someone addresses what is almost never addressed, suddenly we're ignoring one in favor of the other.
In fact, we've been ignoring one in favor of the other for the last forty years. And you're advocating that this should continue.
Why don't you make a video on this topic so I can tear it to pieces in the comments?
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
"Another realm in which the results of "equal opportunity" does not add up to equal results is.. can you guess it? Race, that's right. Do you also believe that there is some fundamental, biological difference between the races leading to this?"
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You presume that African Americans have equal opportunity in this country. For the most part this isn't true.
Study the budget disparities between the suburban public schools and their inner city counterparts if you need proof of this.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You presume that African Americans have equal opportunity in this country. For the most part this isn't true.
Study the budget...
I am very well aware of these facts. I am pointing out an inconsistency in your arguments. Admitting that, even though a group other than women may have equal rights but could still have social factors putting it at a disadvantage is enough to reveal your bias.
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
"Admitting that, even though a group other than women may have equal rights but could still have social factors putting it at a disadvantage is enough to reveal your bias."
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Actually, the fact that you would attack someone for pointing out that gender bias weighs far less on women than other forms of bias is highly revealing of your bias.
The world is awash with the feminist dialectic, drowning out every other related social study and apparently you wouldn't have it any other way.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
6:37 Another realm in which the results of "equal opportunity" does not add up to equal results is.. can you guess it? Race, that's right. Do you also believe that there is some fundamental, biological difference between the races leading to this? My point is this: you grossly oversimplify the matter.
8:10 You go very far out on a limb when you attempt to minimalize the inequality in history leading up to the postmodern era and lose a lot of credability in the process.
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
Comparing the history of women to the history of black people in America is the most inane error one could possibly make.
Yeah, let's compare the plight of my wealthy grandmother to the plight of the middle aged black couple who were her servants back in the 50's and 60's.
Let's talk about their shared history of oppression.
Do you realize how ridiculous it would be to make such a comparison?
That comparison is going to fall flat on it's face within one minute.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Absolutely amazing. You Sir, are a genius !
ClintWeststone 2 years ago
Your critique is horrible because you don't understand- you don't comprehend- feminism. I wish you would send these "essays" to these history and science scholars you mention.
Oh, and please look up "liberalism" again. Look it up in scholarly journals. There's a difference between economic, political, institutional, and social liberalism (just to name a field fields), genius.
Ares207 2 years ago
"Your critique is horrible because you don't understand feminism."
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I judge a tree by its fruit. And the fruit of feminism does not take an advanced degree either to judge or describe.
In your comments I detect an attempt to obfuscate the reality of modern feminism and to marginalize my essay without refuting a single one of my assertions.
If you want to defend feminism, go right ahead. But you'll have to do better than this.
Say something that addresses the particulars of my essay.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Can I ask you a question. Could feminism be possibly rooted in envy as well? Meaning could they envy a mans nature viewing it possibly superior and hate their own nature cause they view it as somehow weak. Just a question I havent studyed feminism so educate me if you want.
smoking1212 2 years ago
"could they envy a mans nature viewing it possibly superior and hate their own nature "
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Well, the radical lesbians who actually dominate the feminist discourse and thus the modern movement definitely envy the male sex role and attempt to emulate it.
Why else would they say that straight, garden variety pornography demeans women?
Q. Straight pornography merely depicts a heterosexual couple having sex. How does that demean women?
A. They must believe that ordinary sex is demeaning to women.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Not only emulating that but I also notice some of those women espically on the talks shows brag about how successful they are and then complian why they don't have a man. They almost believe that having status and power makes them attractive and should be garenteed a man. They failed to realize thats not their stock. Just another observation.
smoking1212 2 years ago
I can't watch television anymore.
I just can't take the lies anymore.
Do yourself a favor, quit watching that shit. Trust me, this is sincerely the best advice I can give anyone: Don't watch network television.
Comedy Central, that's all I can stand anymore...And sports.
The rest is horse shit.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Exactly. I feel somwhat the same way. One last thing about the sex thing. They call men pig for having so much sex and yet they want to do the same thing. Hypocirtes.
smoking1212 2 years ago 3
Haven't seen much porn have you? lol The fantasy implicit in most pornography is one in which the woman is reduced to a sex doll with a heartbeat with no qualms about submitting to any and every male desire, completely objectifying them. Now, that makes sense from an evolutionary and psychological perspective and it isn't reality so I don't denounce it, but YOU can't have it both ways. It does NOT depict women on equal terms with men, it does NOT depict women as they are, it DOES demean them.
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
"porn...does NOT depict women on equal terms with men, it does NOT depict women as they are"
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The only difference between 90% of porn and watching gorillas mate at the zoo is that the gorillas get it over with quickly, employing only one position while the humans stretch it out for as long as possible, employing multiple positions.
When someone says that porn is demeaning to women, what they're really saying is that sex is demeaning to women.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
What about lesbian porn?
One of the women invariably takes charge and tells the other woman what to do. It's really quite necessary or they would never change positions.
Is the dominate female demeaning the submissive female?
Does lesbian porn depict the dominate female on equal terms with the submissive female?
Finally, does your GF really want to be on equal terms with you in the bedroom?
Does she want to mount you or prefer that you mount her? In my experience, women prefer to submit.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
"...the woman is reduced to a sex doll...completely objectifying them."
>>This is the typical feminist narrative. But in fact, human sex is probably the least "objectifying" of females because it is the only one in which the female occasionally mounts the male.
Has a female ever manipulated your penis until it was erect? Wasn't she "in charge?"
Other mammals don't do that.
"Now, that makes sense from an evolutionary and psychological perspective and it isn't reality."
>>This is a non sequitor.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
That quote is a fragment of my sentence and doesn't even represent a logical step - just information. If I wasn't clear, let me restate. I said, "Now, that makes sense from an evolutionary and psychological perspective and it isn't reality so I don't denounce it..." The point here is that you can understand the reasons for the nature of pornography objectively from an evolutionary or psychological perspective. Also it is not representative of reality. Hence I see it as largely innocuous. Get it?
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
Jesus Christ. Are you reading some feminists blogs or wikipedia or something? It is really unfortunate and apparent you don't understand feminist philosophy. Have you ever read Cixous or Kristeva? Or are you just so blinded by your delusions you refuse to read these feminist, post-modernist, and philosophical arguments intelligently? You seem to have some intelligence, but it's absolutely misguided if you make these illogical assumptions in your "essays."
Ares207 2 years ago
I understand feminism quite well. I am a reluctant student of the Realpolitik school of feminism. The one that actually impacts the society.
The rest is noise.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Great video
wposcmnie 2 years ago
Women, innocent victims? Hahahahahahahahahahahah. Good one. There's a reason why men have a leash on women; and that's because we're aware of the manipulation they are capable of. Science has proven that us men go gaga at the insinuation of sex; and thus women have a significant advantage as they in general do not. Oh, and TheEditorialist - lose the goddamned shades, you look like a douche.
thethreeheadedmonkey 2 years ago
"Oh, and TheEditorialist - lose the goddamned shades"
>>Not happening.
"you look like a douche."
>>Not important.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
haha even when people leave dumb comments it's helping your video get more discussed meaning more people might see it (in spite of the view counter)
Popadibs 2 years ago
These women--and what female isn't a feminist these days--are becoming more and more disgusting by the day. I saw a woman the other day talking to her 2 year old son like he was a dog. ''I'm going to lock you in the closet if you don't come over here right now!'' Just another disgusting, deep voiced, obnoxious loud mouth. And when they were leaving this store, the 2 yr old boy went out first and she said ''That's right, you hold the door open for women!'' Disgusting sow--another boy ruined!
SirFrancisDashwood15 2 years ago 5
well they deserve that feminist bitches deserve it for what their doing to their male children like beating them trying to decipline them mutilating them circumcision and all that other sick shit i mean you won`t belive how many sick bitches do that some do it even more than once on the same kid i couldn`t imagine doing that to my son even if i were to hate men
mihail2000 2 years ago 4
i`m a woman and i hate feminism
mihail2000 2 years ago 7
Excellent.
Since you're a woman who's into boxing and hates feminism, maybe you could come to America and beat the crap out of these people.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
regresseur, you have it covered wall to wall. You go, man. Did that sound kinda gay? Anyway, I wanted to add just one other fact:: a rape shield law was used to block the introduction of the fact the woman who accused Mike Tyson of rape in the 90's a nineteen-year-old , had previously falsely accused another man of rape to avoid angering her father about her sexual activity. Sexual history?. No, lying history! Google. Tnx.
haironbutt 2 years ago
Within any civilization, males are more valuable than females. ''But we have babies, so we're more valuable!'', the little neo-feminist argues. You do have babies, I say, but childbirth doesn't build civilizations. It only populates them. If the female talent of bearing young were enough, then dogs, cats, apes and rats would all be driving cars and flying planes, because the females of their species also bear young. Men have built all civilizations, and tamed feral females to stock them.
SirFrancisDashwood15 3 years ago
I find both sexes think of themselves as more valuable than the other but feminists only see the side of society that values men more. As always, they only see the side that fits their ideology.
acadiantunes 2 years ago
... I disagree. I consider myself a feminist but i don't view women as victims. We've simply developed a society where men have more opportunities in life. We, as a society, are fixing that problem now, but there's still work to be done. As far as i'm concerned, the issues surrounding womens rights and gender equality extend to men as well. Like i've said many times before, men are subjected to sexism in areas of life as well. Particularly in the family court. Those issues are equally important.
ffliz217 2 years ago
"Like i've said many times before, men are subjected to sexism in areas of life as well. Particularly in the family court. Those issues are equally important."
Thank you for recognizing that, ma'am.
haironbutt 2 years ago
"We've simply developed a society where men have more opportunities in life."
What opportunities are women denied?
Popadibs 2 years ago
I get what you're saying. I know that today we have the same legal opportunities as men (for the most part, except in areas like the military), but we still have risidual social barriers from the days (less than 50 years ago) when we didn't. It's a social thing now, which is hard to counteract because people can easily say things like "no you don't" and there's no legal argument. It's things like who gets the pay raise or the promotion. It's easy enough to find the statistics.
ffliz217 2 years ago
Do you think that there are male dominated that women don't want to do or vice versa? Do you think that has an impact on the pay wage?
When the average out pay wages they average out the pay of all men and all women regardless of job... I'm thinking career choices are a huge factor.
Popadibs 2 years ago
The first question doesn't make sense, so i can't answer it.
I've seen statistics that suggest otherwise, so, if you're right then so be it, but i don't believe you because i've seen evidence against what you're saying. There are other things though, like who's more likely to be selected for a job, a man or a woman blah blah blah. I'm not saying that the world isn't getting better, it's immeasurably better than it used to be, we just have a little way to go before we've achieved equality.
ffliz217 2 years ago
Do you think there are male dominated careers that women stray from and vice versa?
Would you want to do construction work, for instance? Would you be a garbage woman?
What about equality in terms of child custody? Also equality in terms of equal sentences for the same crimes as women?
If you were married would you be expected to provide equally as much for your husband as he'd be expected to provide for you?
I hear "equality" very often but who's making the efforts for it to happen?
Popadibs 2 years ago 7
Okay yeah, i get what you're saying. I agree that the average wages between men and women are different because of the career choices each gender seems to make (which i believe is the result of social prejudices, but free choice none the less), but i'm not talking about that. I'm talking about same qualifications, same job, different pay, and it does happen. It's certainly getting better but it's not happening everywhere.
ffliz217 2 years ago
"I'm talking about same qualifications, same job, different pay, and it does happen."
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Who in their right mind would hire a man if he could find a woman with the same qualifications willing to do the job for less?
If women with equal qualifications were doing the same jobs for less money, men would find themselves priced out of the job market very quickly.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Well why would somebody assume that a man isn't a better parent than a woman based on his gender? Sexism isn't rational. Simple dominant ideology is responsible for both irrational situations. We, as a society, have simply been taught to believe that a man is a more valuable worker, and a woman is a more valuable parent. Our ideology takes precedence over logic.
You're right, it doesn't make sense, but it DOES happen.
ffliz217 2 years ago
Also, if you'd read some of my other comments on this page, you'd know that i'm equally in favour of reaching gender equality for men. I don't want to have to repeat myself but it's in my comments somewhere on this page.
I don't think i'm disagreeing with you for the most part. No specific group is to blame for the prejudices our society has towards either gender in different aspects of life, but we still need to work together to change for the better.
ffliz217 2 years ago
Equality simply creates a power vacuum and nature abhors a vacuum.
But claiming to desire social dominance is so politically incorrect that female supremacists are forced to employ the equality rhetoric.
If modern feminists wanted true equality, the ERA would've been a reality long ago.
Google feminism = over twelve million hits.
Google equal rights amendment = less than 300,000 hits, and most of it's historical reference material, written in past tense.
Feminists don't really want equality.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Yep, and the feminists whom claim that they do want equality don't take on the leaders of the so called movement.
Notice how when something happens to men people have the attitude that "it's rare" and when something happens to women, no matter how rare, it's a tragedy.
I always ask feminist supporters the "tough" questions to see what kind of answers I'll get.
Popadibs 2 years ago 4
"...when something happens to men "it's rare" and when something happens to women, it's a tragedy."
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We're ruled by evolutionary, natural forces. The specie's objective is to breed as many offspring as possible.
One man and multiple women can accomplish this easily through a harem structure.
Therefore, nature has less use for males en masse in perpetuating the species. This is not true for all species, but is largely true for mammals.
Nature does not require monogamous pairs in mammals.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Because we are animals and ruled by subconscious forces that have evolved for a specific purpose (procreation) we tend to place more emphasis on the welfare of females, since these organisms can procreate quite efficiently in a polygamous structure that includes only one virile male organism with which multiple females can mate.
Of course, this breeding strategy doesn't function well for an advanced society, in which male labor participation is essential to the propagation of the specie.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
The mammalian breeding strategy makes better use of females en masse than it does of males en masse.
The primitive society that saw to the physical security of the female population had a reproductive advantage over any that might not have preferred the females.
In social units we are programmed to guard and protect the females, because even if most of us males die doing so, the remaining males will breed with multiple females, the population will remain stable and the group will remain intact.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
Thus in this group of primates we call human society (but you'll notice females referring to it as "our society" for indeed they are the beneficiaries) the males and females both are programmed to look after the welfare of females en masse, while largely disregarding the welfare of males en masse.
Simply put, it's because so few males can impregnate so many females. From an evolutionary perspective only a relative few males are required and so the rest are expendable.
TheEditorialist 2 years ago
fascinating
UltraDOG17 2 years ago
How are males more valuable than females? What is your definition of "valuable"? The problem I have with seemingly all of your comments is that I don't know understand your reasoning behind any of them. Obviously you're not about to offer up scientific proof for your claims. Like your notion that women are feral by their nature (whatever that means) -- what about the women in relatively untouched tribes around the world -- have they fallen into such motherly roles only by being (cont.)
regresseur 2 years ago
subjugated by the males, or perhaps because it is their (women's) nature to do so, and that they do so in these cases because their nature is not being corrupted and snuffed out by media, politics-propaganda and money? You apparently never consider such things as a cause for the apparent social dysfunction of the West, and it boggles my mind as to why. It's like you feel you HAVE TO blame women directly for these social problems. Such idiocy. Let me know when you get laid.
regresseur 2 years ago
"Such idiocy. Let me know when you get laid."
May I make one respectful suggestion: don't crawl at the rad fems level.
haironbutt 2 years ago
This guy looks to be a fag.
MrStankelstein 3 years ago
You need to get your gay-dar tuned up, fool. It's giving you some false positives.
Eventually you might get gay bashed with a malfunctioning gay-dar.
TheEditorialist 3 years ago
Editorialist, youre a deep thinker, Im sure you mannerism and excellent logic, endlessly pisses off feminist. Regardless, NEVER stop, they WONT hear what you say regardless of your tone. Thanks keep up the Vedios
EFC100t 3 years ago 3
(See below) Take away feminism and the current state of affairs they have put Western Culture in and I could/used to feel this way. Now I just get pissed when I hear stuff like that. Way to go feminism.
EFC100t 3 years ago
Im watching the news about the plan the landed in Hudson River, 3 times I heard WOMEN and children 1st. When feminist start to denounce this, AND MEAN IT, I will become a feminist. I try very hard not to generalize and remain LOGICAL, but none the less. The more I listen to feminist, the more I resent women, even the ones I love. Im not proud of this, Im being honest, good job feminist
EFC100t 3 years ago 2
I will speak until I am red in the face about how LAME pornography is. Porn is largely made for men, even playGIRL was directed at gay men - not women. So why do feminists get annoyed with that? I'll let you figure it out.
Porn is not for women and that's why feminists are bothered by it. If porn was equally for women and men - then men would have prosthetic dicks the same way women have prosthetic tits. Men would be forced to attempt to look like something that doesn't really exist.
cannibalcountry 3 years ago
"Porn is not for women..."
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How do you know porn isn't for women?
Many girls probably aren't very stimulated by contemporary porn. But I dated a few who were.
So porn is for some women, by my experience at least.
And there are plenty of porn actresses with natural breasts and actors with big penises, so I don't think silicone and prosthetics are really needed by that industry.
I don't know why you're generalizing so much. Sweeping generalizations must be part of the feminist dialectic.
TheEditorialist 3 years ago
Which women's colleges have successfully rejected male students? Or is it that male students aren't trying to enter all women's colleges while women are trying to enter all men's colleges? You kind of glazed over that part...
RyeItGrrl 3 years ago
I agree. I took a women's literature class and the one guy who signed up for the class, left after the first day. Yet, I took geology classes in college and despite the fact that I was the ONLY girl in the class, I continued on.
cannibalcountry 3 years ago
Yeah, well I took this men's literature class and uh...oh wait that doesn't exist.
Then I took this geology class, that had nothing to do with gender, since it was all about rocks.
No girls were interested in it since it wasn't tied to debating about society.
And rocks don't have gender and get oppressed and stuff, so it's like really boring.
The prof thought if he could tie geo-morphism into a discussion about date rape he could get more girls interested in the class but I wasn't optimistic.
TheEditorialist 3 years ago
I dunno, as a male I got the highest grade in my Women's Literature class. It isn't that hard; all that you have to do is criticize male characters and make excuses for poor female behavior. =/
JeffrenceDT 3 years ago 12
To Ryetgrrl:
Why don't you ask some guy you know to apply to them all, then when he gets rejected from every one of them, you will have your answer.
Or you could contact these colleges and ask them how many male applicants are rejected every year based on gender.
Why must I do everything? Pick up the phone.
TheEditorialist 3 years ago
This is possibly one of the best critiques of feminism that I've heard.
Great work!
touchxOFxpinkxO 3 years ago 2
it took 10years for women to get the voting rights when men still had to go into war against their consent. women had the choice not to opt for war and feminists caused bloodbath genocide, shamed men into wars and got women to sign conscriptions to promise that theyd never be seen in public with men who refused to go into war, and men who didnt fight wars at draft time were most likely thrown into prison for treason if not worse but women are for feminism despite all that?