This is truly a great movie for mating type mausicisti two very different in style and technique, Getz passionate, impetuous and unconventional Trane, but I remember that in those years Getz has been a big Bopper. However, both great. Beautiful.
@dell4bq "Getz was the Kenny G of that time"...really? Wow, that's the dumbest comment I've read in a long time. Stan Getz was a master saxophonist and he and Coltrane both had great respect for each other. It's completely childish to turn this into some 'Trane vs. Getz' thing and touting your favorite while ripping on the other player. So if Stan Getz was the Kenny G of that time, then I suppose that would make Lester Young the Kenny G of the swing era? That's how dumb your comment sounds.
@dell4bq You could find countless quotes from jazz masters talking about what a great jazz musician Stan Getz was. Look no further than the autobiography of the pianist in this video, the one and only Oscar Peterson (it's called "A Jazz Odyssey"). Oscar devotes a section (called Jazz People) to musicians he loved playing with, one of them being Stan Getz, and he highly praises Getz's playing. I guess Oscar Peterson was just too dumb to realize that Stan Getz sucked, huh?
I just don't understand anybody could give negative rating on this footage. It is a super rare moment of jazz history. We are lucky to be able to see it.
Hackensack, also by Monk... as several people have stated, but others don't want to believe. If you doubt it, Monk's own is on YouTube, too. Check it out.
@DarkeningSkies1 You know it's "Hackensack," I know it's "Hackensack," several others know it's "Hackensack," but, if you check back, several people thought it was "Well You Needn't."
@TheGWFrog I even have Andy Summers doing a rendition of it, and as on every other version, including the original, that intro is note for note. "Well, You Needn't" is somewhat similar, I suppose, as several of the Monk tunes from that period were, but.... really? Ah, well.
Just fabulous, as you'd expect from this lineup. For any who might not recognize it, the starting point and ultimate resolution is Monk's composition, "Well You Needn't," with nothing but great jazz improvisation in between.
if u listen close...1 of the microphones is picking up someones voice....1 of the musicians??....maybe voicing what they're playing....cobb?, petersen?
simply amazing. being a tenor sax player myself, these two are a couple of my most major inspirations. btw, does anyone know wat song are the playing. i cant remember the name
Allstar team if there ever was one. Loved the way the great John Coltrane effortlessly took the ball first & did his thing with it & then lobbed his perfect solo to Getz & how Getz was ready & caught the ball perfectly almost like in stride wTrane & then contributed his thing for the winning touchdown. It was of course, a team effort. Amazing historic video!
Oh, damn, I live about 500 metres away from the Place where this has been recorded (in Düsseldorf, Germany) - and I was not there (well not even born)...
It's hard to believe all the schmucky comments on such great music. Getz was on the scene earlier than Coltrane and was a star by the time he was 21 and had already formed his style- Prez meets Parker. They were mutual admirers and it's well documented. They were both great in different ways. In terms of Getz' chops and musicianship do your fucking HW. Some people here obviously don't know shit. Listen to the early Getz recordings and research statements from other great players.
May I politely suggest.....Fuck Kenny G ! He has NOTHING to do with real jazz, period....he's about as close to jazz as , let me think.......Jim Nabors comes to mind..John Phillip Souza......Kenny G is a fraud , music for yuppies with nice little beards and tiny dicks , for women who won't take a piss without a protecto ....
Trane- urgent, unfiltered, visceral, tapped in. Getz- canned, white bread, predictable. If you want at least real Getz, listen to Zoot Sims on a good day.
@taintwig now if I said 'Trane, a million notes signifying nothing...." it would be a stupid comment. Basically, the equivalent of your comment about Getz.
Now we are talkin'! Jazz is not only an intelligent music, escaping the mental grasp of some supposedly inherent intellectuals because they fail to appreciate subtlety, the hard swinging that Stan Getz reaches both melodically and soundwise. Volume is not the only answer to burnin'. I love both styles. Lovely rihythim section as well. Kudos for posting this one.
As to love and respect, Getz is clearly aware of how Trane has taken the instrument so much further. As to Trane; he complimented one day, "We'd all play like Stan Getz if we could. "
@tommymorey Getz isn't "unaware" of Coltrane's progressive style towards tenor, he's just not interested in moving out of the sonic consistency of his own style. Coltrane is moving forward and Getz is sticking to his guns, which is fine by me.
@musicalrt -- It was Wynton Kelly, the member of Miles Davis's rhythm section at the time. He, Paul Chambers, and Jimmy Cobb played some standards together with Trane before. -- Miles was supposed to appear as well, but couldn't make it for what reason ever. So, Stan was kinda "subbing" for Miles.
@musicalrt -- Never mind, buddy. -- By the way: For getting my below "speech" right, one should start to read from the bottom upwards. And please make that "...be it in school" in my 2nd comment ;)
Hey folks -- you don't know what you're talking about. Trane & Stan is like fire & water: Two completely different playing concepts. We jazz improvisors can't live without both of them so very inspiring saxophone (jazz) giants. Pairing the two was one of the helpless attempts to revive the bad old "battle of the saxes" routine of Flip Phillips versus Lester Young who sported similarly diametral styles. -- Anyway, some of those battles generated brilliant music. This also happened here ...
... I can't see any envy in Stan's face. What I can see, is an exchange of friendly smiles between the two. Both grew up in very different socio-cultural environments, as you may imagine. One is an African-American with everything attached what came along with that, be it musically, racially (I don't like that word at all), or religiously; whereas the other has been raised by Ucranian-Jewish immigrants, also with the typical assets: Ambition to be better than the (Jewish?) boy next door ...
... be in school, or on the instrument, okay? -- Considering all that, it's ridiculous to create some imagined fights between the two. That's only for the ones who like such kinda gossip. -- Let's be happy that we have (had) them both, and their tons of creative musical output. -- To the piece: Trane was ahead of everybody at the time, and he was more familiar with Monk's music than anybody else then (with the exceptions of Steve Lacy, and Sonny Rollins). So, it's no wonder that he sounds ...
... more convincing than Stan who relied on what he could do best: Let's hear the melody. And he was a master of long, melodic phrases in the upper register of the tenor. -- Trane was the ever searching preacher who was never content with the status quo. He went far beyond anything he had learned from his masters. -- So, stop reading now, and listen again (as I did it at least three times while writing that speech.)
Coltrane kicked the crap out of Getz, no comparison. And someone mentioned here in the comments Getz was the Kenny G of that time and that was so true. You can see Getz in awe and perhaps envious when you see him watching Coltrane playing solo and Getz doesn't get it. THAT'S how to play sax. Yet Getz was a putz playing crap pop sax which should be looked at as an embarrassment compared to anything Coltrane had done. Coltrane is an inspiration and one of the greats, and Getz is a putz!
@lgkownacki You got to be kidding me! Getz is an amateur compared to the brilliance of Coltrane. Getz is playing like a remedial version of Paul Desmond circa 1955 only without anything original. Coltrane is playing circles around Getz and making him look like a fool. You think Getz would have remembered this gig and made it his life's worth to devote his life to learning the intricacy of playing like Coltrane. No wonder this only happened once, as Coltrane only played with the best!
@dell4bq haven't you read any of the comments here? both of them are great for different reasons. Coltrane, a revolutionary, an unstoppable train. Getz? John Coltrane once said about Getz: "We'd all play like Stan if we could". Learn your history.
@shankbone01 That's just Coltrane being polite with respect for a colleage. Not to say he didn't know himself that he was just being nice as Coltrane plays circles around Getz no question. Listening to both in various recordings Getz isn't my cup of tea, sounds dated and boring, whereas Coltrane, is well Coltrane. I will stand by my earlier statement, Getz was the Kenny G of that time and I think most would agree Kenny G is crap.
@dell4bq 2 great men, 2 great ways of playing, but different. Both are giants. Thats like saying why listen to Desmond, when you can hear Garrett. Both are great, but they are different.
@jazzmasta92 In your example I would agree both Kenny Garrett and Paul Desmond are great but different in a lot of ways, as well as being in 2 different generations of jazz history. With Getz though, I just find his phrasing and solo style tired, weak and boring. Nothing inspiring at all, and while better by far than the crap Kenny G does, for it's time it seemed like it was the Kenny G of that era.
@dell4bq you're trying to compare a 1950s cool jazz artist with a contemporary smooth jazz artist, and it just doesn't work. Kenny g serves an audience that has no recollection of jazz history, while stan getz served an audience that existed when hard bop, bossa nova, cool jazz and modal jazz were first being realized. Jazz artists in the 1950s are more like hip-hop lyricists now. Go listen to Stan Getz's "Night Rider" or "Blood Count". We're talking about apples and oranges here.
@lgkownacki That was, by far, the most brainless (and anti-musical) comment I've read all week. What you heard was thousands of "coherant [sic] thoughts", layered and poly-lingual, but the crude receptacle of your smugly delusional mind wasn't quite up to the task of perception. So, instead, you took a fancy to Getz' formal wear. Now run along and dust off your Harry Connick Jr CD box set...
@lgkownacki That was, by far, the most brainless (and anti-musical) comment I've read all week. What you heard was thousands of "coherant [sic] thoughts", layered and poly-lingual, but the crude receptacle of your smugly delusional mind wasn't quite up to the task of perception. So, instead, you took a fancy to Getz' formal wear. Now run along and dust off your Harry Connick Jr CD box set...
Stan Getz walking backwards, alone, up the impressive entrance steps into the 5*****Midland Hotel in Manchester uk during an interval break from a nearby Free Trade hall concert was as amazing as his sax playing. Not one falter in his substance induced trance. What a diversly talented guy! His playing after interval was amazingly wonderful.
What the heck is that idiot comparing Stan Getz to Kenny G. Getz had a complete command of his instrument and swung hard, had a great sound. Suck lemons. None of that detracts from John Coltrane's command of his instrument. Some have a gritty approach on some tunes and there is nothing wrong with either approach.
@ftenorsaxist95 Absolutely correct, but sometimes people become popular because their pretense of being musical is taken by the tin eared to be something it is not. Back to Getz, a master, as was Trane. And Bird!
@noobasdfjkl And, why are you writing that ill tempered remark to me? I do not believe you read what I wrote which also leads me to believe that you don't comprehend jazz at all or you need to explain it more succinctly. Meanwhile, I will ignore any responses from no-nothings.
@ocnoreen Psh. I will answer your questions in order.
Obviously, because i do not like Kenny G because i think he's, while a decently good saxophonist, not worth the attention that has been given to him. This comment comes ESPECIALLY after that sacrilege of covering "What a Wonderful World."
You used the phrase "tin eared" which can be defined as "a poor ear for music"; ergo; my only conclusion can be that you believe people who listen to Kenny G to have bad taste in music.
@ocnoreen Colloquialism is ruining the english language. When people start actually using the term "BRB" in substitute for actual speech, there's something wrong.
That, and your claim that this example is colloquialism at all is disputable.
Everything i said still stands. If you want to dispute over one word you wrongly left un-punctuated then i will have to retire from this conversation.
dang those are some nice piano chords trane's playing...
janmorez 2 days ago
Work of Genius and Genius !
Delfidash 1 week ago
This is truly a great movie for mating type mausicisti two very different in style and technique, Getz passionate, impetuous and unconventional Trane, but I remember that in those years Getz has been a big Bopper. However, both great. Beautiful.
BennyMax37 1 week ago
Excellent!
fredjmp 1 week ago
What John Coltrane does here is beyond everything. It is a more then magnificent improvisation.
jazzuffe 3 weeks ago
This is total bliss...!!!
johnny4blues 3 weeks ago 2
@dell4bq "Getz was the Kenny G of that time"...really? Wow, that's the dumbest comment I've read in a long time. Stan Getz was a master saxophonist and he and Coltrane both had great respect for each other. It's completely childish to turn this into some 'Trane vs. Getz' thing and touting your favorite while ripping on the other player. So if Stan Getz was the Kenny G of that time, then I suppose that would make Lester Young the Kenny G of the swing era? That's how dumb your comment sounds.
WindyCityJazz 1 month ago
@dell4bq You could find countless quotes from jazz masters talking about what a great jazz musician Stan Getz was. Look no further than the autobiography of the pianist in this video, the one and only Oscar Peterson (it's called "A Jazz Odyssey"). Oscar devotes a section (called Jazz People) to musicians he loved playing with, one of them being Stan Getz, and he highly praises Getz's playing. I guess Oscar Peterson was just too dumb to realize that Stan Getz sucked, huh?
WindyCityJazz 1 month ago
@WindyCityJazz ..... or perhaps dell4bq would compare Miles Davis to Chuck Mangione because Miles was also understated and "cool"..........
Mrglowingman 1 month ago
what tune is this?
RiversideIndian 1 month ago
@RiversideIndian Hackensack
MJJBeliever 1 month ago
incredible to hear several of my favourite players in one recording. thanks so much for uploading!
stikine7 1 month ago
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demonking451 1 month ago
hey cats, what tune is this?
its keeellllaaaannnndddd
flurbaflurbs 1 month ago
ridiculous. just ridicuolous.
flurbaflurbs 1 month ago
siiiick
jhm85 2 months ago in playlist jazz
Nice;-)
doko73 2 months ago
Must have been January of 1960 when I first saw Getz in a small night club in Munich. Fun memories!
ydraki 2 months ago
@ydraki I'm jealous
jhm85 2 months ago in playlist jazz
@jhm85
While I still love listening to Getz, Coltrane and other greats, now, in
advanced years, I tend to prefer classical music and never tire listening
to Gustav Mahler's Adagietto, especially with Herbert Karajan conducting.
But good music, in whatever category, is always pleasurable. Stan Getz was
an amazing musician, educated, sensitive man.
ydraki 2 months ago
What a gem you gave us! Can't thank you enough.
ydraki 2 months ago
I just don't understand anybody could give negative rating on this footage. It is a super rare moment of jazz history. We are lucky to be able to see it.
akiology 2 months ago
wow my 2 favorites of all time
ElCubanoConguero 2 months ago
this video shows 5 gods playing JAZZ!
reddevils10rooney 3 months ago
I like the attempted trane flurry by stan in his solo at 5:15. Both were great players, and had their own styles.
Russianboyz95 3 months ago
Colt has his roots in Africa. That explains a lot of the difference between styles.
JohnIsle74 3 months ago
search (GSA "Project Funk Jam"/ "All Blues")
1wvserenity 3 months ago
Lucky folks in Dusseldorf!
promerops 3 months ago
It doesn't get any better than this.
horai1 4 months ago
Hackensack, also by Monk... as several people have stated, but others don't want to believe. If you doubt it, Monk's own is on YouTube, too. Check it out.
TheGWFrog 4 months ago
@TheGWFrog Who would doubt this was "Hackensack"? I have several covers of it, and it is unmistakable.
DarkeningSkies1 2 months ago
@DarkeningSkies1 You know it's "Hackensack," I know it's "Hackensack," several others know it's "Hackensack," but, if you check back, several people thought it was "Well You Needn't."
TheGWFrog 2 months ago
@TheGWFrog I even have Andy Summers doing a rendition of it, and as on every other version, including the original, that intro is note for note. "Well, You Needn't" is somewhat similar, I suppose, as several of the Monk tunes from that period were, but.... really? Ah, well.
DarkeningSkies1 2 months ago
Just fabulous, as you'd expect from this lineup. For any who might not recognize it, the starting point and ultimate resolution is Monk's composition, "Well You Needn't," with nothing but great jazz improvisation in between.
EricBlairII 4 months ago
What's not to like about this jam?
mojorayjones 4 months ago
Hackensack
Jazzymatty 4 months ago
What an exceptional treat and rare collaboration with:
The Sound
The Trane
OP
Mr PC
& Mr Cobb
One of a kind quintet!
lastknowngood0 4 months ago 10
trane and getz togheter?OH MY GOD , GREAT MUSIC!
emilianus15 4 months ago 3
if u listen close...1 of the microphones is picking up someones voice....1 of the musicians??....maybe voicing what they're playing....cobb?, petersen?
iamtheweirdestone 5 months ago
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iamtheweirdestone 5 months ago
Now that's music !!!
nessuno00nessuno 5 months ago
True Musical Excellence.
MrSmooth273 5 months ago in playlist Jazz
Great soloing from two of the all time greats of the saxophone in front of a great rhythm section!
FishWhale19 5 months ago
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And the clowns who now break my balls on TV or radio call themseves "musicians". Thanks for this great moment
gg59o 5 months ago
And the clowns who now break my my balls on TV or radio call themseves "musicians". Thanks for this great moment
gg59o 5 months ago
"We'd all sound like Stan Getz--if we could."--John Coltrane
snaaptaker 5 months ago 8
what can you say "The Masters" !
ajaketchavibe 6 months ago
Perfect Perfection
jamminjoeus 6 months ago
simply amazing. being a tenor sax player myself, these two are a couple of my most major inspirations. btw, does anyone know wat song are the playing. i cant remember the name
Jazzman8100 6 months ago
Words fail me :>
fancyafox 6 months ago
Awesome. TY avela23 for posting.
paulostroff99 6 months ago
@nicoleglover1 Coltrane has a much stronger sound than getz.. Getz sounds woolly in comparison.
There is definitely nothing wrong with comparing players. Tenor battles have been going on for decades.so.. why don't u Getz lost ;-)
decus69 7 months ago
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decus69 7 months ago
OH! Yes. This tune is"Well,You needn't" ...final decision.
Very Confusing. similar to Monk's Dream, Night in Tunizia and Scrapple from the apple.
Writing from Japan.
lemonearth55 8 months ago
@lemonearth55 That's "Hackensack".
Micheltuyauterie 8 months ago 2
No, no, I made a mistake.
This tune must be "Monk's Dream" by Thelonious Monk.
--Wtiting from Japan.
lemonearth55 8 months ago
@lemonearth55 Rifftide.
theinvisiblelight 8 months ago
This tune is "scrapple from the apple" by Charlie parker, I think.
lemonearth55 8 months ago
@lemonearth55 LOL i dont think so
zbalder14 6 months ago
brings me back to the university of nebraska outdoor jazz jam sessions under the blue nebraskan sky fresh air and pure joy.
l3l3Hastings 8 months ago
masterful...
kilbiedawhoop 8 months ago
Wow! Stellar footage!
Yoostoobz 8 months ago
What an awesome contrast in tones from two players who always played beautifully. Thanks so much for posting this!
WindyCityJazz 8 months ago
TRuly wonderful! thanks for posting
bivmvideo 8 months ago
Allstar team if there ever was one. Loved the way the great John Coltrane effortlessly took the ball first & did his thing with it & then lobbed his perfect solo to Getz & how Getz was ready & caught the ball perfectly almost like in stride wTrane & then contributed his thing for the winning touchdown. It was of course, a team effort. Amazing historic video!
adeduction 8 months ago
Fifteen yard penalty. Too much talent on one stage.
Turgorful 8 months ago
Oh, damn, I live about 500 metres away from the Place where this has been recorded (in Düsseldorf, Germany) - and I was not there (well not even born)...
MrCoxson 9 months ago
What's the title of this tune?
jazzabelle35 9 months ago
@jazzabelle35 A night it tunisia I think :)
vibralids 9 months ago
@vibralids No!
jazzabelle35 9 months ago
is this an arrangement of well you needn't or some other tune?
jazzouttathefridge 9 months ago
BEAUTIFUL DICHOTOMY
jamminjoeus 9 months ago
restlessness vs relaxing, the opposites are touching each other!
johnjtheoriginal 9 months ago
both tenor giants.... in totally different ways
zbalder14 9 months ago 3
What an amazing blend of trane's making the sax into a human voice and Getz's playing the sax with pure European tone...both are geniuses!
Trane is the shouting preacher and Getz is the tasteful, emotionally restrained Mozart!
radiokid2 9 months ago
oh and OSCAR PETERSON he's a nobody right? he doesn't deserve to be mentioned.... goodness...
carfreak 9 months ago
oh and OSCAR PETERSON, he's a nobody right? goodness....
carfreak 9 months ago
Holy shit, what a band! I'd pay thousands to see that concert, but alas,
All but Jimmy Cobb have passed, RIP.....one helluva jam goin on in Heaven.
elmudderfukker 10 months ago 2
What a fantastic band! A real one off.
MrTobytwirl 10 months ago
wish people could still play like this
spizak 10 months ago
@spizak people do. actually. ie Cris Potter, Dave Koz
bejerama 10 months ago
Thanks so lot for this video!
cleverfilms65 10 months ago
Great is not enough, incredible !
arena105 11 months ago
damn those guys can rock a tux. an amazing performance from a true jazz dream team, i honestly can't say which solo I like the most!
vitek2 11 months ago
The pianist is a MF, who is that?
Thelookoutslookout 11 months ago
@Thelookoutslookout Read the text just below the video box.
zarkoasenov 11 months ago
@Thelookoutslookout Oscar Peterson, second only to Art Tatum, aka God.
ignarukih 11 months ago
Great post
dslacke 11 months ago
WOW!!
fermutante 1 year ago
Must have been a great show. As much as I hate aging I sometimes wish I had been born a little earlier.
koalman 1 year ago
Did Trane played with Peterson more?
deadzior 1 year ago
Could be the best Coltrane song I've ever heard. The lighting - or lack thereof - is beautiful. Getz is young, Coltrane is lucid, both are masters.
circuit7718 1 year ago
Euphoria: Achieved
PynkWalkr 1 year ago
That rhythm section is from another planet.
HendrixcommaMartin 1 year ago
hey this getz and trane thing knocked me out stanley the steamer thats what diz called him he was right 2
prophetnehemiah777 1 year ago
It's hard to believe all the schmucky comments on such great music. Getz was on the scene earlier than Coltrane and was a star by the time he was 21 and had already formed his style- Prez meets Parker. They were mutual admirers and it's well documented. They were both great in different ways. In terms of Getz' chops and musicianship do your fucking HW. Some people here obviously don't know shit. Listen to the early Getz recordings and research statements from other great players.
raneyjr 1 year ago
@raneyjr chill out man,they're only comments. both coltrane and getz are great in their own way.
decus69 11 months ago
March 28th, 1960... twas a Monday... twill be archived , and resurrected too , I hope, in Heaven someday for all of us to enjoy again!!
DocDoorman 1 year ago
when is this?
bollebob3 1 year ago
Whats the song at :43 ???
DaveOne645 1 year ago
both these cats swung hard, keeny g had nothing on either..
aaronamccoy 1 year ago
Thanks so much for posting this!
KatzenImNebel 1 year ago
I stand corrected , maybe that was Wynton Kelly at the beginning..
leviathonus 1 year ago
Curious how McCoy Tyner is playing at first before Oscar sits down....too bad there wasn't two pianos handy....
leviathonus 1 year ago
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Curious how McCoy Tyner is playing at the very beginning before Oscar sits down....too bad there wasn't two pianos handy...
leviathonus 1 year ago
Curious how McCoy Tyner is playing at the very beginning before Oscar sits down....too bad there wasn't two pianos handy...
leviathonus 1 year ago
May I politely suggest.....Fuck Kenny G ! He has NOTHING to do with real jazz, period....he's about as close to jazz as , let me think.......Jim Nabors comes to mind..John Phillip Souza......Kenny G is a fraud , music for yuppies with nice little beards and tiny dicks , for women who won't take a piss without a protecto ....
leviathonus 1 year ago
What is the name of the tune?
RFranklinCarter 1 year ago
in the pocket....
colonelkirtz 1 year ago
REAL musicians are too busy following the song argue as much as you losers on this video. Take your feet out of your mouths.
Reap3r07 1 year ago
Fire and Ice!
JayWC4 1 year ago 2
Please oh please don't forget to talk about oscar peterson's comping and soloing!
andrevazosorio 1 year ago 22
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TheCycad 1 year ago
this is fantastic
TheCycad 1 year ago
Where are Lester Young and Cannonball?
KnockOut22 1 year ago
jazz fans are such PC idiots, it's sad
EchoCannon89 1 year ago
@EchoCannon89
extrapolate pls
donnyab 1 year ago
You've got to be kidding me. Unbelievable! How can anybody dislike this music?!
EscapeSamsaraOrg 1 year ago 3
You've got to be kidding me. Unbelievable!
EscapeSamsaraOrg 1 year ago
As a big fan of both I have to say that Stan getz my heart an John trane's my head.
Frutoses 1 year ago 48
getz, trane, oscar peterson AND paul chambers. epic
jordonwade1 1 year ago
OMG 3 OF THE TRULY JAZZ GIANTS I,M SPEECHLESS
teflonarius 1 year ago
Trane- urgent, unfiltered, visceral, tapped in. Getz- canned, white bread, predictable. If you want at least real Getz, listen to Zoot Sims on a good day.
taintwig 1 year ago
@taintwig now if I said 'Trane, a million notes signifying nothing...." it would be a stupid comment. Basically, the equivalent of your comment about Getz.
Mrglowingman 1 month ago
Now we are talkin'! Jazz is not only an intelligent music, escaping the mental grasp of some supposedly inherent intellectuals because they fail to appreciate subtlety, the hard swinging that Stan Getz reaches both melodically and soundwise. Volume is not the only answer to burnin'. I love both styles. Lovely rihythim section as well. Kudos for posting this one.
ocnoreen 1 year ago
One does not compare wrungs on the same ladder.
As to love and respect, Getz is clearly aware of how Trane has taken the instrument so much further. As to Trane; he complimented one day, "We'd all play like Stan Getz if we could. "
tommymorey 1 year ago
@tommymorey Getz isn't "unaware" of Coltrane's progressive style towards tenor, he's just not interested in moving out of the sonic consistency of his own style. Coltrane is moving forward and Getz is sticking to his guns, which is fine by me.
shankbone01 1 year ago
@shankbone01 Excellent observation...
boxing1000 1 year ago
Have you lisrten to J.J. Johnsons and Stan Getzs Blues in the closet?
moonwalker1939 1 year ago
Cool
Meurscault 1 year ago
who did oscar boot off the piano at the start?
musicalrt 1 year ago
@musicalrt -- It was Wynton Kelly, the member of Miles Davis's rhythm section at the time. He, Paul Chambers, and Jimmy Cobb played some standards together with Trane before. -- Miles was supposed to appear as well, but couldn't make it for what reason ever. So, Stan was kinda "subbing" for Miles.
BrunoJazzmanLeicht 1 year ago
@BrunoJazzmanLeicht Haha, awesome. Thankyou so much for the knowledge. I should have recognised Wynton.
musicalrt 1 year ago
@musicalrt -- Never mind, buddy. -- By the way: For getting my below "speech" right, one should start to read from the bottom upwards. And please make that "...be it in school" in my 2nd comment ;)
BrunoJazzmanLeicht 1 year ago
Hey folks -- you don't know what you're talking about. Trane & Stan is like fire & water: Two completely different playing concepts. We jazz improvisors can't live without both of them so very inspiring saxophone (jazz) giants. Pairing the two was one of the helpless attempts to revive the bad old "battle of the saxes" routine of Flip Phillips versus Lester Young who sported similarly diametral styles. -- Anyway, some of those battles generated brilliant music. This also happened here ...
BrunoJazzmanLeicht 1 year ago
... I can't see any envy in Stan's face. What I can see, is an exchange of friendly smiles between the two. Both grew up in very different socio-cultural environments, as you may imagine. One is an African-American with everything attached what came along with that, be it musically, racially (I don't like that word at all), or religiously; whereas the other has been raised by Ucranian-Jewish immigrants, also with the typical assets: Ambition to be better than the (Jewish?) boy next door ...
BrunoJazzmanLeicht 1 year ago
... be in school, or on the instrument, okay? -- Considering all that, it's ridiculous to create some imagined fights between the two. That's only for the ones who like such kinda gossip. -- Let's be happy that we have (had) them both, and their tons of creative musical output. -- To the piece: Trane was ahead of everybody at the time, and he was more familiar with Monk's music than anybody else then (with the exceptions of Steve Lacy, and Sonny Rollins). So, it's no wonder that he sounds ...
BrunoJazzmanLeicht 1 year ago
... more convincing than Stan who relied on what he could do best: Let's hear the melody. And he was a master of long, melodic phrases in the upper register of the tenor. -- Trane was the ever searching preacher who was never content with the status quo. He went far beyond anything he had learned from his masters. -- So, stop reading now, and listen again (as I did it at least three times while writing that speech.)
BrunoJazzmanLeicht 1 year ago 2
Coltrane kicked the crap out of Getz, no comparison. And someone mentioned here in the comments Getz was the Kenny G of that time and that was so true. You can see Getz in awe and perhaps envious when you see him watching Coltrane playing solo and Getz doesn't get it. THAT'S how to play sax. Yet Getz was a putz playing crap pop sax which should be looked at as an embarrassment compared to anything Coltrane had done. Coltrane is an inspiration and one of the greats, and Getz is a putz!
dell4bq 1 year ago
Absolutely amazing. Thank you SO much for sharing this!
daleam1 1 year ago
what is this song called
GrootveldMusic 1 year ago
Wow --- Oscar is kicking it here. The whole band, amazing.
gruelin1 1 year ago
The finest. Enough said.
imposs1234 1 year ago
Love them both-Getz is melodic and Trane is harmonic but the rhythm is there.
monktrane325 1 year ago
c' est un bijou. Que des grands du jazz, c' est impressionnant.
Il ne manque que Birdie
MrPanossian 1 year ago
Coltrane is so boring! All those runs because he hasn't a coherant thought. Getz blows him away
lgkownacki 1 year ago
@lgkownacki You got to be kidding me! Getz is an amateur compared to the brilliance of Coltrane. Getz is playing like a remedial version of Paul Desmond circa 1955 only without anything original. Coltrane is playing circles around Getz and making him look like a fool. You think Getz would have remembered this gig and made it his life's worth to devote his life to learning the intricacy of playing like Coltrane. No wonder this only happened once, as Coltrane only played with the best!
dell4bq 1 year ago
@dell4bq haven't you read any of the comments here? both of them are great for different reasons. Coltrane, a revolutionary, an unstoppable train. Getz? John Coltrane once said about Getz: "We'd all play like Stan if we could". Learn your history.
shankbone01 1 year ago
@shankbone01 That's just Coltrane being polite with respect for a colleage. Not to say he didn't know himself that he was just being nice as Coltrane plays circles around Getz no question. Listening to both in various recordings Getz isn't my cup of tea, sounds dated and boring, whereas Coltrane, is well Coltrane. I will stand by my earlier statement, Getz was the Kenny G of that time and I think most would agree Kenny G is crap.
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ftenorsaxist95 1 year ago
@dell4bq 2 great men, 2 great ways of playing, but different. Both are giants. Thats like saying why listen to Desmond, when you can hear Garrett. Both are great, but they are different.
jazzmasta92 1 year ago
@jazzmasta92 In your example I would agree both Kenny Garrett and Paul Desmond are great but different in a lot of ways, as well as being in 2 different generations of jazz history. With Getz though, I just find his phrasing and solo style tired, weak and boring. Nothing inspiring at all, and while better by far than the crap Kenny G does, for it's time it seemed like it was the Kenny G of that era.
dell4bq 1 year ago
@dell4bq you're trying to compare a 1950s cool jazz artist with a contemporary smooth jazz artist, and it just doesn't work. Kenny g serves an audience that has no recollection of jazz history, while stan getz served an audience that existed when hard bop, bossa nova, cool jazz and modal jazz were first being realized. Jazz artists in the 1950s are more like hip-hop lyricists now. Go listen to Stan Getz's "Night Rider" or "Blood Count". We're talking about apples and oranges here.
shankbone01 1 year ago 3
@shankbone01
you you're talking about honey and shit
donnyab 1 year ago
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"extrapolate pls"
shankbone01 1 year ago
@lgkownacki Getz is brilliant yes, but u sooo dont understand coltrane if thats what u think!
ftenorsaxist95 1 year ago
@lgkownacki getz is absolutley brilliant yes, but u sooo do not understand coltrane if that is what u think.
ftenorsaxist95 1 year ago
@lgkownacki That was, by far, the most brainless (and anti-musical) comment I've read all week. What you heard was thousands of "coherant [sic] thoughts", layered and poly-lingual, but the crude receptacle of your smugly delusional mind wasn't quite up to the task of perception. So, instead, you took a fancy to Getz' formal wear. Now run along and dust off your Harry Connick Jr CD box set...
The0Endless0Thread 1 month ago
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@lgkownacki That was, by far, the most brainless (and anti-musical) comment I've read all week. What you heard was thousands of "coherant [sic] thoughts", layered and poly-lingual, but the crude receptacle of your smugly delusional mind wasn't quite up to the task of perception. So, instead, you took a fancy to Getz' formal wear. Now run along and dust off your Harry Connick Jr CD box set...
The0Endless0Thread 1 month ago
Still Oscar have a probleme here.
jazzuffe 1 year ago
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jazzuffe 1 year ago
sooo much heroin
tyden13 1 year ago
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sapient245 1 year ago
Two of the greatest players ever. I saw both of them, but not together.
They were amazing and the rhythm section ain't too bad either !
Thanks for posting this.
Hyslop65 1 year ago
Planty I could say, friend, however, I'm in a wonderful state of mind, and choose not to relinquish it.
mcgovnor1 1 year ago
Stan Getz walking backwards, alone, up the impressive entrance steps into the 5*****Midland Hotel in Manchester uk during an interval break from a nearby Free Trade hall concert was as amazing as his sax playing. Not one falter in his substance induced trance. What a diversly talented guy! His playing after interval was amazingly wonderful.
harrymtube 1 year ago
What the heck is that idiot comparing Stan Getz to Kenny G. Getz had a complete command of his instrument and swung hard, had a great sound. Suck lemons. None of that detracts from John Coltrane's command of his instrument. Some have a gritty approach on some tunes and there is nothing wrong with either approach.
ocnoreen 1 year ago 13
@ocnoreen I agree!! kenny g is nothing compared to getz!!!!!! :)
ftenorsaxist95 1 year ago
@ftenorsaxist95 Absolutely correct, but sometimes people become popular because their pretense of being musical is taken by the tin eared to be something it is not. Back to Getz, a master, as was Trane. And Bird!
ocnoreen 1 year ago
@ocnoreen to hell with Kenny G
noobasdfjkl 1 year ago
@noobasdfjkl And, why are you writing that ill tempered remark to me? I do not believe you read what I wrote which also leads me to believe that you don't comprehend jazz at all or you need to explain it more succinctly. Meanwhile, I will ignore any responses from no-nothings.
ocnoreen 1 year ago
@ocnoreen Psh. I will answer your questions in order.
Obviously, because i do not like Kenny G because i think he's, while a decently good saxophonist, not worth the attention that has been given to him. This comment comes ESPECIALLY after that sacrilege of covering "What a Wonderful World."
You used the phrase "tin eared" which can be defined as "a poor ear for music"; ergo; my only conclusion can be that you believe people who listen to Kenny G to have bad taste in music.
Part One
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ocnoreen 1 year ago
@noobasdfjkl The term braindead comes to mind in reference to you. Probably no balls as well.
ocnoreen 1 year ago
@ocnoreen Then disprove anything i said if i am indeed so brain-dead.
And, by the way, "braindead" is not a word.
noobasdfjkl 1 year ago
@noobasdfjkl colloquialism
ocnoreen 1 year ago 2
@ocnoreen Colloquialism is ruining the english language. When people start actually using the term "BRB" in substitute for actual speech, there's something wrong.
That, and your claim that this example is colloquialism at all is disputable.
Everything i said still stands. If you want to dispute over one word you wrongly left un-punctuated then i will have to retire from this conversation.
noobasdfjkl 1 year ago
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@noobasdfjkl colloquialism Suck dust.
ocnoreen 1 year ago
@ocnoreen haha bitch got flagged (and not by me)
noobasdfjkl 1 year ago