LOL! how does hitchens keep a straight face sitting across from that moron in the cowboy hat???? and wtf he's part of the *BUSINESS* section? how? he looks like some guy out of a bad snl skit haha.
It's nice to see that Don Imus isn't famous in Canada. He's very famous here. He recently got suspended for making a racial remark about a girls basketball team.
Who is that fruitcake with the cowboy hat? that was the most retarded thing I have ever seen. Some mumbling, inarticulate hick with his own talk show. He's like the latter stage of the rednecks who shout "they took our jobs!"-- "ba durka durr!"
haahh. that guy has been a huge radio personality for years and years in the u.s. he needs to retire, he seems like proof that the dead can walk, so hitchens should be nervous around him.
It is only through reason we get even close to knowing what is around us. Uncertainty, skepticism and doubt are our most powerful tools, giving us all we need to prosper.
To believe you have the 'Truth' is to believe that no further inquiry is needed, you have all the evidence you require to be certain of Mankind's future.
Mom says "Nobody has perfect truth, but the light gets brighter as we approach endtimes."
I say give credit where credit is due - Thanks Alex Bell for the wonderful light!
What would the Pastor say to the engineers striving to create artificial intelligence, where they hope to create intelligence that is indistinguishable from that of a human.
Granted we would know that the AI is man made, but at some point the AI would have to be considered outside of our intelligence, and yet because we made it, we know it is the product software, feedback, learning, memory etc without any supernatural explanation.
To be fair, I think his point is even more fundamental than evolution. If our world is simply governed by the quantum interaction of subatomic particles... whose mathematical description involves probability and randomness... then how do we derive meaning from that?
Of course I would say, that proves nothing about the existence of god, and that we exist because otherwise we wouldn't. Don't need much more meaning than that.
Well, to say "simply governed" is a gross oversimplification.
The truth is, his little tirade was based in ignorance. It's like saying, "If gasoline is liquid, and cold, then how does it make fire, which is hot?". It's just plain old stupid, it involves insurmountably more complex constituents, though.
Again, the religious have a problem with randomness, material, and evolution. Why? If they really believe god created everything, why not randomness, material, and evolution?
Yes, believe it or not, our current science says the universe is "simply governed" by quantum mechanics -- at least at the subatomic scale. Understanding the mathematical description (i.e. the Schrodinger equation) is simple, all it requires is basic calculus.
I agree that Wilson's logic is flawed. His argument suspiciously sounds like... wouldn't it be horrible if everything was random happenstance? As Hitchens calls him out, yes it may be horrible, but that isn't an argument against it.
How simple do you think quantum mechanics is? If you use the word simple to describe quantum mechanics, you don't understand a thing about quantum theory.
"Understanding the mathematical description (i.e. the Schrodinger equation) is simple, all it requires is basic calculus."
That belongs on a fail website.
Give up on this, you won't win a point.
We can both agree that Wilson is under a misconception of just about everything. That is good enough for now.
You are right. I cannot win because you cannot "win" or "loose" over a factual statement: the universe is governed by quantum mechanics at the subatomic scale.
Typo, or just plain old ignorance of the actual spelling? I think it's the latter.
You can tell you aren't well read, you seem to think the word 'simple' can describe quantum theory...... no, you're the only thing here, which should be considered simple.
You still have no points to speak of. You've made no sense so far. Either retract silly statements, or people are bound to, rightly so, consider you to be stupid.
I actually thought Wilson was rather articulate in this piece. He made a rather compelling argument for a deistic position (though not a Christian one).
Wilson's point at about 5:59 - 6:15. If you notice, Hitchens actually concedes this point, but then states that it's nonsensical to try define or assign "order" to any authority.
He wasn't making a point, he was playing devil's advocate. He was saying "gee how silly would that be".
If he had made that point, it would be different. He was trying to prove that thesis wrong. Also, it's nothing new, and theists make quite a few points by sort of taking on the position of the atheist. In fact, it's the only time they ever make a valid point.
No, I don't think he was articulate, either. He didn't act like a raving lunatic, as he would love to do with the right audience.
I understand what Wilson was doing. cbruer summarized what I was trying to say in a much more lucid way than I could. I'm an agnostic so I don't consider the deistic position to be an illogical one but one that garners no evidence.
I don't just give myself answers. I study diligently to understand these highly convoluted issues. When you have a clear understanding of what is going on, you are no longer confused.
Yes, there is absolutely no case for a deity, just as there is no case for the theistic god. It's all very silly.
You see, simplicity always predates complexity, for there to be a deity, it would negate that very elementary law.
The ONLY way complexity arises is through simplicity given A VERY LONG TIME.
Though I agree with what you say, I've had the argument that man is becoming less perfect. Simplicity does preceed complexity, but entropy should be factored in also.
Believers think man lived for centuries when closer to perfection, but now live past 30 only due to medecine, hygeine and dentistry. They say Evolution is ridiculous because chaos is the natural state and that, if anything, 'de-volution' is what's happening.
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Canlander7 2 years ago
haha this poor cowboy can barely speak at all, how the fuck does he have a radio show!
JeffSims009 2 years ago 2
I'd like to see him work "nappy headed hoes" into this one.
Chemicalogic 2 years ago
LOL! how does hitchens keep a straight face sitting across from that moron in the cowboy hat???? and wtf he's part of the *BUSINESS* section? how? he looks like some guy out of a bad snl skit haha.
xqeenx 2 years ago
It's nice to see that Don Imus isn't famous in Canada. He's very famous here. He recently got suspended for making a racial remark about a girls basketball team.
thetwentyteens 2 years ago
Who is that fruitcake with the cowboy hat? that was the most retarded thing I have ever seen. Some mumbling, inarticulate hick with his own talk show. He's like the latter stage of the rednecks who shout "they took our jobs!"-- "ba durka durr!"
CloudsAreintheSky 2 years ago 2
Uh, It's don Imus, one of the most famous hosts in the history of radio.
silverhawkmanu 2 years ago
haahh. that guy has been a huge radio personality for years and years in the u.s. he needs to retire, he seems like proof that the dead can walk, so hitchens should be nervous around him.
BillKiernan 2 years ago
Wow. Donny is a bore.
MuhammadSmith 2 years ago 2
Good god! Wilson is so pathetic!
qwer4o 2 years ago 2
I don't disagree, BUT, check out some of the other people Hitchens has debated and Wilson will be an enormously refreshing breath of air.
SpikeTFA 2 years ago 2
what the FUCK is this cowboy doing on a news show?
theREALshafan 2 years ago 4
In the last 5,000 years Humans have evolved the capacity to digest unprocessed milk as Adults. Not all humans have this ability.
This is an advantage and relatively speaking it is new.
clatz13 2 years ago
What is it with Imus! Does he have such small feet that he can insert them in his mouth so easily and often?
"I don't listen to what my guests say." (Brokaw too? Wow!)
Seems he keeps his intellect firmly under that rather large penile-compensatory thing on his head.
gtaivpcvids 2 years ago
He is honest, most people would understand this statement.
richter75 2 years ago
I agree, but it takes a special kind of dolt to admit he tuned out Tom Brokaw while interviewing him! That's just tactless!
gtaivpcvids 2 years ago
If he was talking about his wife it would be tactless..
richter75 2 years ago
It is only through reason we get even close to knowing what is around us. Uncertainty, skepticism and doubt are our most powerful tools, giving us all we need to prosper.
To believe you have the 'Truth' is to believe that no further inquiry is needed, you have all the evidence you require to be certain of Mankind's future.
Mom says "Nobody has perfect truth, but the light gets brighter as we approach endtimes."
I say give credit where credit is due - Thanks Alex Bell for the wonderful light!
gtaivpcvids 2 years ago
What would the Pastor say to the engineers striving to create artificial intelligence, where they hope to create intelligence that is indistinguishable from that of a human.
Granted we would know that the AI is man made, but at some point the AI would have to be considered outside of our intelligence, and yet because we made it, we know it is the product software, feedback, learning, memory etc without any supernatural explanation.
clatz13 2 years ago
A man dressed as a cowboy on a topical debate show?
Only in America.
blackchimp99 2 years ago 4
I love Imus. I love cowboys. I love America.
cbruer 2 years ago
Imus is getting weirder and weirder with age.
JJpmfc 2 years ago
Hitchens is making a lot of sense here.
nyomythus 2 years ago
I am surprised at the fascination of the host. Sounds like he never really thought about the possibility that there is no god.
AlienTruth 2 years ago 2
Best host ever
jamesstephenbrown 2 years ago
"random collection of atoms" just shows how little Wilson has read about evolution.
He has no clue.
niginit 2 years ago
To be fair, I think his point is even more fundamental than evolution. If our world is simply governed by the quantum interaction of subatomic particles... whose mathematical description involves probability and randomness... then how do we derive meaning from that?
Of course I would say, that proves nothing about the existence of god, and that we exist because otherwise we wouldn't. Don't need much more meaning than that.
cbruer 2 years ago
Well, to say "simply governed" is a gross oversimplification.
The truth is, his little tirade was based in ignorance. It's like saying, "If gasoline is liquid, and cold, then how does it make fire, which is hot?". It's just plain old stupid, it involves insurmountably more complex constituents, though.
Again, the religious have a problem with randomness, material, and evolution. Why? If they really believe god created everything, why not randomness, material, and evolution?
niginit 2 years ago
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niginit 2 years ago
Yes, believe it or not, our current science says the universe is "simply governed" by quantum mechanics -- at least at the subatomic scale. Understanding the mathematical description (i.e. the Schrodinger equation) is simple, all it requires is basic calculus.
I agree that Wilson's logic is flawed. His argument suspiciously sounds like... wouldn't it be horrible if everything was random happenstance? As Hitchens calls him out, yes it may be horrible, but that isn't an argument against it.
cbruer 2 years ago
How simple do you think quantum mechanics is? If you use the word simple to describe quantum mechanics, you don't understand a thing about quantum theory.
"Understanding the mathematical description (i.e. the Schrodinger equation) is simple, all it requires is basic calculus."
That belongs on a fail website.
Give up on this, you won't win a point.
We can both agree that Wilson is under a misconception of just about everything. That is good enough for now.
niginit 2 years ago
Wow, who is showing their ignorance now???
You are right. I cannot win because you cannot "win" or "loose" over a factual statement: the universe is governed by quantum mechanics at the subatomic scale.
cbruer 2 years ago
So, you decided to take "simply" out, then.
Sorry, I'm not going to "LOOSE" anything, but you did just LOSE everything.
Conversation concluded.
niginit 2 years ago
Thanks for catching my typo. You are truly annoying, I feel sorry for whoever is in your life.
cbruer 2 years ago
Typo, or just plain old ignorance of the actual spelling? I think it's the latter.
You can tell you aren't well read, you seem to think the word 'simple' can describe quantum theory...... no, you're the only thing here, which should be considered simple.
You still have no points to speak of. You've made no sense so far. Either retract silly statements, or people are bound to, rightly so, consider you to be stupid.
niginit 2 years ago
I actually thought Wilson was rather articulate in this piece. He made a rather compelling argument for a deistic position (though not a Christian one).
Mike3303 2 years ago
Which point was that?
niginit 2 years ago
Wilson's point at about 5:59 - 6:15. If you notice, Hitchens actually concedes this point, but then states that it's nonsensical to try define or assign "order" to any authority.
Mike3303 2 years ago
He wasn't making a point, he was playing devil's advocate. He was saying "gee how silly would that be".
If he had made that point, it would be different. He was trying to prove that thesis wrong. Also, it's nothing new, and theists make quite a few points by sort of taking on the position of the atheist. In fact, it's the only time they ever make a valid point.
No, I don't think he was articulate, either. He didn't act like a raving lunatic, as he would love to do with the right audience.
niginit 2 years ago
I understand what Wilson was doing. cbruer summarized what I was trying to say in a much more lucid way than I could. I'm an agnostic so I don't consider the deistic position to be an illogical one but one that garners no evidence.
Mike3303 2 years ago
u gotta be kidding
richter75 2 years ago
He's an agnostic, in other words, CONFUSED.
niginit 2 years ago
Everyone is confused...Just some admit it. Just giving yourself answers doesn't make them true!
rogan71 2 years ago
I don't just give myself answers. I study diligently to understand these highly convoluted issues. When you have a clear understanding of what is going on, you are no longer confused.
Yes, there is absolutely no case for a deity, just as there is no case for the theistic god. It's all very silly.
You see, simplicity always predates complexity, for there to be a deity, it would negate that very elementary law.
The ONLY way complexity arises is through simplicity given A VERY LONG TIME.
niginit 2 years ago
Though I agree with what you say, I've had the argument that man is becoming less perfect. Simplicity does preceed complexity, but entropy should be factored in also.
Believers think man lived for centuries when closer to perfection, but now live past 30 only due to medecine, hygeine and dentistry. They say Evolution is ridiculous because chaos is the natural state and that, if anything, 'de-volution' is what's happening.
Just wish these people understood science better.
gtaivpcvids 2 years ago
You are saying, you believe man is becoming less perfect? When were we ever perfect to begin with?
I can assure you that the development of technology, science, and a plethora of other advanced theories is not a degradation.
Humanity is definitely evolving. People who don't understand evolution think they can claim to know it's direction. They are fools.
I suggest to people, to read more, talk less.
Observation gives you intelligence, then you contribute when you're sure of something.
niginit 2 years ago
"If there's no god, then what is reason"? LMAO dumbass pastor.
morrisseyfan82 2 years ago 2
That's Don Imus and, believe it or not, at one time he was quite funny.
He was always a conservative but he seemed to understand the basic concept of fairness in his examination of the world.
Now, he's a co-opted old man shilling for Fox in a hat so big it looks like his stack-of-dimes neck might shatter under it's mass at any moment.
In fairness, however, at one time, he understood the need for critical thinking. At his age, who am I to judge? I might give up by then too.
LazyIrish829 2 years ago
Who the fuck is this hick geriatric cowboy host??
felandath 2 years ago 3
Oh ffs Im Swedish and dont listen to a squat US radio but even I know who the host Don Imus is. Remember the "Nappy Headed Ho Incident" last year?
CognosSquare 2 years ago
What the fuck is the host wearing???
magnusjsolberg 2 years ago
lol
MonaalizMJiheartU 2 years ago